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[00:00:00] they are forced to intern first and they
[00:00:03] wait for the time until full-time work is 1 year, that's why I question
[00:00:07] who this 5% growth is for, with those beautiful words or
[00:00:12] two, it's green economy, and also in statistics, who actually feels this, while
[00:00:14] a survey of entrepreneurs and also 63 economists conducted by
[00:00:18] LPMUI also stated that many government policies
[00:00:21] are not suitable or improve the situation and this results
[00:00:25] in eh, what's it called,
[00:00:28] the acceptance rate of President Prabowo. and the survey also continues to decline
[00:00:31] and has reached almost 50% at the moment, this is
[00:00:35] the turning point, right? Can those data really restore
[00:00:39] the situation like this, because when we talk about growth, it must be real, truly felt by
[00:00:42] the people at the bottom. Now, when we talk about the people at the bottom,
[00:00:46] maybe the farmers at the bottom are now talking about things being better when the price of goods is bought
[00:00:50] higher, but the question is whether rice can be obtained
[00:00:53] easily, that will later become another problem, right?
[00:00:57] Maybe there is rice but it's not easy to get. It's the same, so food
[00:01:00] security also becomes weak like that. Mr.
[00:01:04] Pitra answered earlier, who is this growth for, and then there are concerns
[00:01:08] that need to be answered among the community. Yes, first,
[00:01:11] Mr. Gusti must choose
[00:01:14] his words carefully, so it's not all entrepreneurs. I don't know which entrepreneurs
[00:01:18] were generalized because I'm also from Kadin, and if
[00:01:22] we talk about Kadin, there are also many projects that, if we look at
[00:01:25] the translation earlier to working capital demand and also to
[00:01:29] investment credit, it is indeed imbalanced between sectors. If we look at the
[00:01:32] retail sector, it's slightly down, but if we look at the communication services, food,
[00:01:36] and beverage sector, it's up 11.2%. Maybe we should also survey those
[00:01:40] places. Secondly, Mr. Gusi needs to learn
[00:01:43] about the difference between correlated
[00:01:47] variables, right? So, when we talk about this, I'm also
[00:01:50] an educator, I'm a lecturer at UI. Now, if we
[00:01:53] look at the world's developments now, why is the waiting time
[00:01:57] for graduates much higher? Because there's a disruption
[00:02:01] from technology. Now, for entry-level
[00:02:05] positions, almost everything can be replaced by AI. There are
[00:02:08] several places, like securities, entry-level economic analysts,
[00:02:12] those companies in the financial sector
[00:02:16] no longer want to hire them. Why? Because they can easily be replaced
[00:02:20] by AI, everything uses cloud. Fable
[00:02:22] 5.1 allows us to do simple econometric
[00:02:26] calculations. That doesn't need to be done
[00:02:29] anymore... using economists, for example. But on the other
[00:02:32] hand, it's true there's also a gap,
[00:02:36] a gap between or
[00:02:39] compatibility or absorptive capacity. Mr. Kusti can read my book
[00:02:42] "Globalization, Productivity and Production Networks in ASEAN." We can
[00:02:46] see the gap between Indonesian people
[00:02:48] and industrial needs. And that's why we are making
[00:02:52] investments in human resources. The goal is to
[00:02:55] increase the absorptive capacity of our production
[00:02:59] inputs. As Amartya Sen once said, "commodities and capabilities."
[00:03:03] What's the point of the industry coming in if the people can't absorb it?
[00:03:06] What's the point, as Amartya Sen said, what's the point of giving
[00:03:10] a bicycle to someone who can't ride a bicycle? In the end, it will be
[00:03:14] underutilized. And in this context, we can see
[00:03:17] that there are actually several sectors that are increasing,
[00:03:20] but it is indeed imbalanced, there is an uneven story.
[00:03:24] From there, that's why the president also stated
[00:03:27] there is a kind of paradox in Indonesia
[00:03:31] that must be resolved immediately. One of them is that we are not just pursuing
[00:03:34] economic growth figures. Economic growth is fine,
[00:03:38] as Jeffrey Sachs also once said,
[00:03:41] "the big push for the emerging market" to achieve
[00:03:44] macro figures. But on the other hand, Jeffrey Sachs also stated
[00:03:48] in 2002, "the end of poverty." So, in the end,
[00:03:52] the end goal is how we can reduce poverty.
[00:03:56] Now, the problem is, if I had already divided
[00:04:00] several classes earlier, the growth incidence curve at the bottom is positive, the growth incidence
[00:04:03] curve at the top is also positive. The problem is in the middle. How to open
[00:04:07] the way in the middle,
[00:04:10] more thing, maybe what will be anticipated in opening job opportunities in formal spaces. So far, many are informal. That's
[00:04:13] of 2026, why we then need to aggressively industrialize
[00:04:21] And in the end, the 19 million jobs the investigation process again. Okay, in the midst of many people who then work informally or in the gig
[00:04:23] economy, how do you yourself see the gig economy from
[00:04:27] year to year?
[00:04:30] If I look at the gig economy, it is a function
[00:04:34] of the increasingly narrow job opportunities in the formal sector,
[00:04:37] because if we look at the gig economy,
[00:04:42] We already conveyed earlier most of it is in informality, and that is what I
[00:04:44] mentioned earlier as comorbid post-covid. Post-covid
[00:04:48] is its scarring effect that we need to reverse.
[00:04:51] If we look now, it's very ironic,
[00:04:54] Ms. Maya, even though being a driver partner is certainly an honorable
[00:04:58] job, many of them are overqualified,
[00:05:02] those who have graduate studies, graduate level, even they become driver
[00:05:06] partners. What does this mean? It means we need to enlarge
[00:05:09] the proportions in the formal sector. There are 105.
[00:05:13] 55.49 million labor force, only 148.19
[00:05:16] million were absorbed, so we have
[00:05:19] 7.2 million unemployment figures. But the problem is not just
[00:05:23] the 7 million unemployment figure, proportionally, that's the lowest
[00:05:26] since 1994. That's not the problem. The problem is
[00:05:30] that out of 148 million people absorbed into the workforce, again,
[00:05:33] 60% are in the informal sector,
[00:05:36] where, if they are surveyed, if we look at surveys,
[00:05:40] jobs and prices are always... their top of mind.
[00:05:43] So, this is what we can look at going forward, how to
[00:05:47] increase income, especially for the middle class, and also
[00:05:51] make prices much more stable. And at least, if we look
[00:05:54] now, our inflation is at a level that is still within range.
[00:05:58] Okay, Mr. Vitra, we will continue our discussion, but first we must
[00:06:02] listen to the press statement that will be delivered directly from the Public Relations
[00:06:05] Division of the National Police regarding the latest developments in the investigation of the
[00:06:09] wiretapping case against the President of the Republic of Indonesia. Here it is.
[00:06:14] Fellow media colleagues, whom I respect and am
[00:06:16] proud of,
[00:06:18] tonight I will deliver a press
[00:06:22] release at a doorstop,
[00:06:25] which is on Thursday, November 5,
[00:06:28] 2026. Of course, I will convey
[00:06:31] developments that are of common concern
[00:06:34] to us, and as a matter of accountability, tonight
[00:06:38] we will deliver
[00:06:41] it. First, the Chief of Police
[00:06:45] conveys appreciation
[00:06:48] and also thanks to all personnel
[00:06:52] wherever they are, who continue to maintain
[00:06:56] solidarity, dedication, and
[00:07:00] the spirit of devotion in carrying out
[00:07:02] their duties.
[00:07:05] The Chief of Police also advised that all
[00:07:07] personnel
[00:07:10] always carry out their duties with... full
[00:07:12] sincerity,
[00:07:15] professionalism, and responsibility in line
[00:07:19] with the spirit of the police
[00:07:21] with the community.
[00:07:24] Colleagues, the Chief of Police also conveyed
[00:07:26] appreciation and thanks
[00:07:30] to all
[00:07:32] members of society
[00:07:35] and also
[00:07:37] to the elders
[00:07:41] of the police. They were here earlier to meet the Chief
[00:07:44] of Police and also
[00:07:48] various elements of society
[00:07:51] who have provided moral support, input,
[00:07:54] and trust given. This will certainly strengthen
[00:07:58] the Police institution
[00:08:02] to continue carrying out its duties,
[00:08:05] including in the process of law enforcement
[00:08:09] in a professional, objective, and
[00:08:12] transparent manner.
[00:08:15] Therefore, on this occasion, as a form of commitment
[00:08:19] to accountability and
[00:08:21] transparency, there are several things
[00:08:25] that need to be conveyed to the public,
[00:08:28] to the people:
[00:08:31] First,
[00:08:34] the Chief of Police has
[00:08:36] observed, followed, and
[00:08:40] listened to various
[00:08:43] issues and developments related to information that
[00:08:47] is of public concern.
[00:08:50] As a form of proactive response and
[00:08:54] seriousness of the institution,
[00:08:58] the leadership of the police, in this case,
[00:09:01] has formed
[00:09:05] a special team to
[00:09:09] respond to information and those issues.
[00:09:15] to conduct a thorough investigation led directly by
[00:09:19] Mr.
[00:09:20] Krim. Then,
[00:09:24] secondly,
[00:09:30] carried out by this special team
[00:09:33] will certainly require time and
[00:09:36] stages that must be carried out
[00:09:39] carefully, professionally,
[00:09:43] and in accordance with applicable
[00:09:45] law.
[00:09:47] The police are committed to ensuring that every process
[00:09:51] runs objectively and can
[00:09:53] be accounted for. Later, all media
[00:09:57] colleagues, the results of the team's work
[00:10:01] will be conveyed to the public transparently
[00:10:04] and accountably in accordance with
[00:10:07] the progress of this case handling
[00:10:10] process.
[00:10:13] We once again thank you for your support and
[00:10:17] trust given. Believe
[00:10:20] and trust
[00:10:23] that we will continue to operate professionally,
[00:10:26] proportionally, and procedurally, upholding
[00:10:30] high ethical
[00:10:32] standards for a more objective,
[00:10:36] transparent, and just education.
[00:10:39] Furthermore, as part of information openness to
[00:10:41] the public, the latest developments in the
[00:10:45] education process will be conveyed directly by
[00:10:48] the Director of Cybercrime, Bareskrim Polri.
[00:10:52] This explanation is expected to provide clear,
[00:10:55] measurable, and fact-based information
[00:10:58] regarding the law enforcement steps that have been taken. Therefore,
[00:11:02] we invite the Director of Cybercrime
[00:11:06] to explain
[00:11:07] the developments.
[00:11:10] Thank you, Mr. Karopenmas. Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi
[00:11:14] wabarakatuh. Good evening and greetings
[00:11:18] to all of us. Greetings, police. Police
[00:11:22] with the community.
[00:11:25] On this occasion tonight, we,
[00:11:29] the investigators of the Cybercrime Directorate of Bareskrim Polri,
[00:11:31] will convey the developments
[00:11:35] of the investigation regarding the upgrade of
[00:11:38] the suspect's status
[00:11:40] with the initial SU,
[00:11:42] who was previously still a witness. Based on the results of the
[00:11:46] case review, the investigators concluded that Mr. SU
[00:11:50] has met the elements
[00:11:54] of an unlawful act.
[00:11:57] The role of suspect SU is
[00:12:00] as the board of trustees of
[00:12:03] MC Bareskrim Polri,
[00:12:06] where the person concerned
[00:12:09] once served as
[00:12:11] Kabakmon or Head of
[00:12:14] Monitoring
[00:12:18] from 2010 until
[00:12:20] 2019
[00:12:23] until now.
[00:12:26] Kabakman, namely suspects EH
[00:12:29] and AS, if they were to carry out
[00:12:33] provisioning or wiretapping, they had to get
[00:12:36] permission from Mr. SU.
[00:12:40] In early October 2026,
[00:12:43] suspect AS asked for permission to delete
[00:12:46] the results of the wiretapping to
[00:12:49] SU, and suspect SU consented
[00:12:53] to the deletion of the wiretapping results
[00:12:56] file all this time. We need to inform
[00:12:59] all media colleagues that
[00:13:02] until now, the number of suspects in this case
[00:13:06] is four people. Three were detained
[00:13:09] at the Mako Brimob.
[00:13:13] As for suspect SU,
[00:13:15] we cannot detain him
[00:13:19] at this time because he is ill, post-stroke.
[00:13:23] The number of witnesses we have
[00:13:27] examined is 13
[00:13:30] and experts are 5 people,
[00:13:32] consisting of 3 IT experts and 2 criminal experts.
[00:13:36] Suspect SU
[00:13:38] is charged
[00:13:42] with Article 332 paragraph 1 and/or
[00:13:46] paragraph 2 of illegal access with a maximum penalty
[00:13:50] of 6 years
[00:13:52] and 258 paragraph
[00:13:55] 1 of Law Number 1 of 2023 concerning
[00:13:59] the Criminal Code with a maximum penalty of 10 years
[00:14:02] in prison and Article 32 paragraph
[00:14:06] 1 of the ITE Law on the deletion of electronic
[00:14:09] systems, deletion of electronic information
[00:14:12] systems with a maximum penalty of 8
[00:14:15] years and junto Article
[00:14:18] 20 letter
[00:14:20] C of the Criminal Code.
[00:14:23] On this occasion, we also inform
[00:14:27] the public that there is a lot of information circulating
[00:14:30] on social media that is not necessarily
[00:14:33] true. Therefore, we urge the public
[00:14:36] not to easily believe
[00:14:40] information that is not necessarily true.
[00:14:43] That is all we need to convey. Hopefully,
[00:14:47] the information,
[00:14:49] the developments in the investigation that we have conveyed, can
[00:14:53] provide benefits for all of us. Thank
[00:14:56] you, sir. Is the motive and also the
[00:15:00] perpetrator who was ordered already known, the intellectual actor who
[00:15:04] gave the order? Thank you, colleagues.
[00:15:07] that in this case, of course,
[00:15:10] the investigators have heard
[00:15:14] all the developments and information,
[00:15:18] so a special team leader
[00:15:21] has been formed to...
[00:15:25] proactively respond to that information.
[00:15:27] So, of course, the investigators
[00:15:30] need to
[00:15:34] very carefully consider and also
[00:15:38] need time professionally and, of course,
[00:15:41] in accordance with the rules. However, we will convey
[00:15:44] the developments of this later. That's all, colleagues.
[00:15:48] indications of treason. Now, will Bareskrim Polri
[00:15:52] itself, specifically, apply the article on treason
[00:15:55] to the suspect, because it was previously mentioned that there were alleged
[00:15:59] indications of treason from Distan itself. As we
[00:16:02] mentioned earlier, regarding the developments, input, and
[00:16:06] then information. This is still in the process
[00:16:09] of forming a team that is careful,
[00:16:13] professional, and accountable. Further details will be provided later. This
[00:16:16] process, as explained by the head of Bareskrim yesterday,
[00:16:20] and as a new development, we can
[00:16:23] inform you of the addition
[00:16:26] of Mr.
[00:16:28] SU.
[00:16:36] Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we have just witnessed the press statement delivered by the Public Relations
[00:16:39] Division of the National Police Headquarters regarding the handling of the
[00:16:42] wiretapping case against the president. A special
[00:16:45] team has been formed, led directly by the Chief of Police. The police
[00:16:49] are also conducting a thorough and professional investigation in accordance with applicable
[00:16:53] law, and it will certainly take time. In addition, it was stated
[00:16:56] that three suspects in this case are detained at Mako Brimob,
[00:17:00] while one suspect is not detained due to
[00:17:04] illness. Of course, we are still waiting for the latest
[00:17:07] developments regarding this case, and we will
[00:17:11] continue our dialogue regarding
[00:17:14] Indonesia's economic growth surpassing expectations. I will return
[00:17:18] with our two speakers, Mr. Fitra and Mr. Gusti, who are still
[00:17:22] connected online. I'll go to Mr. Gusti. Mr. Gusti, government spending was
[00:17:25] also mentioned to have grown by 8.95%,
[00:17:28] including for several priority programs, including
[00:17:32] the MBG program. Now, how effective
[00:17:35] is the spending program specifically in driving
[00:17:39] economic growth? Will its impact be
[00:17:41] sustainable, or will it risk increasing
[00:17:45] dependence on fiscal
[00:17:47] stimulus?
[00:17:50] Yes, the increase in MBG spending is actually good
[00:17:54] for boosting the GDP figures for the food and beverage sub-sector,
[00:17:57] right? So it's clear that
[00:18:00] the provision of accommodation and food and beverages surged, we see in the
[00:18:04] BPS survey that it's 11.22%. Well, that's one
[00:18:06] of the consequences, that 153 trillion rupiah
[00:18:10] is a consequence of the MBG program, which if we include it, it will be included
[00:18:14] in the food and beverage sub-sector GDP, and it's not strange if it becomes
[00:18:18] one of the, well, what's it called, increases, right?
[00:18:22] There's an increase, right? From the provision of accommodation,
[00:18:25] and it contributes 0.37 percentage points to the total national economic growth. But
[00:18:29] the biggest question is actually the impact on,
[00:18:32] for example, MSMEs that become suppliers of the MBG itself,
[00:18:36] right? We also haven't really seen a direct impact on the local
[00:18:40] economy from, for example, the MBG SPPG in all regions,
[00:18:44] right? Because there are some that are eventually controlled by cooperatives, and actually the suppliers
[00:18:47] are always the same, which we researched in depth from
[00:18:51] CILIOS, right? And
[00:18:54] in terms of trends, since Mr. Dariono became
[00:18:57] the head of, what's it called, BGN, there has been continuous
[00:19:00] efficiency, so I think in the future, this MBG
[00:19:03] will not continue to be as big as before, and this also includes
[00:19:07] appreciation, meaning the government listens to input from civil society
[00:19:11] like that. And secondly, I also want to respond that our
[00:19:15] workforce, I agree with Mr. Vitra that most of us end up in
[00:19:18] the informal sector, the gig economy, because, as Mr. Vitra already admitted,
[00:19:22] there is a disruption, Mr. Kitra said there is a
[00:19:26] disruption to graduates now, even though surveys from
[00:19:29] several HR companies show that it only causes
[00:19:33] concern, not absorption, because labor absorption is almost
[00:19:36] stagnant since 2023 when there was a winter tech and so
[00:19:40] on. This is because of the flow of capital that stopped due to global geopolitical
[00:19:44] problems as well, among other things. But if we talk about
[00:19:48] AI, it doesn't seem to be going in that direction. Absorption is purely because our
[00:19:51] economic growth is not really growing in the real private
[00:19:54] sector, that's another issue.
[00:19:58] promised by our vice president might turn out to be 19
[00:20:02] million informal jobs, not formal jobs
[00:20:05] like that. Okay. Alright, regarding that, I'll
[00:20:09] go back to Mr. Vitra. Mr. Vitra, with the economic growth of
[00:20:12] 5.47%, is the government optimistic
[00:20:16] about the economic prospects ahead? Very
[00:20:20] optimistic. If we look, one of the challenges is the
[00:20:23] geopolitical developments. From the geopolitical side
[00:20:27] itself, the challenge is from the energy
[00:20:30] side, that's the first and most visible one. On the other hand,
[00:20:34] there are also developments from US treasury yields that also briefly
[00:20:37] increased above 5%. However, the results of the
[00:20:40] US midterm elections yesterday, when the Democrats became
[00:20:44] the dominant winners, somewhat reduced that tension,
[00:20:47] so in the end, for this year alone,
[00:20:51] we have already exceeded the economic growth target based on the macro
[00:20:55] assumptions for 2025. The 2025 macro assumption for 2026
[00:20:58] was 5.4%, the formal target. That has actually been
[00:21:01] exceeded as of the third quarter of this year,
[00:21:04] so the target to reach a minimum of
[00:21:07] 5.5% or 5.6% is actually
[00:21:11] not too impossible to achieve this year. And
[00:21:14] next year, the 6% target, it seems we have also seen its
[00:21:17] trajectory, that if we bridge
[00:21:21] the economy to the economy, where we see
[00:21:25] that for 10 years, from 2014 to
[00:21:27] 2024, our economic growth, excluding pandemic
[00:21:31] times, was 5.07%.
[00:21:33] But we have now exceeded that
[00:21:37] 5% mark and are starting to crawl even above
[00:21:41] 5.5%. One reason is that we focus a lot
[00:21:44] on activities or installed capacity, as with
[00:21:48] industry earlier, so it has become supply-driven growth
[00:21:51] rather than consumption-driven growth. Okay, regarding
[00:21:55] maintaining economic growth, of course, in the coming quarter,
[00:21:59] besides global geopolitical challenges, domestically, there are several regions that have not
[00:22:02] yet recovered, even from disasters in parts of Sumatra and also Nusa
[00:22:06] Tenggara Timur. How should the government anticipate that?
[00:22:10] Even before coming here, I was just discussing with friends
[00:22:13] about disaster mitigation, to coordinate with
[00:22:17] ministries/agencies and so on. We should not just react or
[00:22:21] respond downstream after the event occurs,
[00:22:24] but how to mitigate the adverse effects before it happens, because
[00:22:28] my experience in Japan is that they also prepare
[00:22:32] themselves, even for years. In my year,
[00:22:36] there was the Fukushima accident in 2011, and there was even
[00:22:39] a big earthquake, an earthquake, a tsunami, and also
[00:22:42] radioactive pollution. That
[00:22:45] could be anticipated because they had already carried out
[00:22:49] mitigation measures. Worst-case scenarios beforehand, and this
[00:22:52] is what we will try to do going forward, because we are in the ring of
[00:22:56] fire, and disasters are also a very important part
[00:23:00] for us to look at going forward, the forecast. But what is also
[00:23:03] interesting is that if we look at least until the first
[00:23:07] semester, there are 77
[00:23:10] regencies that have grown above
[00:23:13] this, this is 2025. The position is that there are
[00:23:16] 77 regencies that have grown above 6%. In
[00:23:20] 2026, there are 99 regencies that grew above
[00:23:23] 6%, and that means there are about seven
[00:23:27] provinces. So from that side, the
[00:23:30] development is quite promising. One example, if we look at Gorontalo,
[00:23:34] in 2024 Q1, it grew
[00:23:37] 4.6%. In 2025 Q1, it
[00:23:41] grew 6.5%, and
[00:23:44] even in the latest Q1 of this year, 2026, it grew
[00:23:48] 7.6%. This means from this perspective, we can see that there are
[00:23:51] developments in the regions, but of course, we also have to see
[00:23:55] that there are regional potentials that must be stalled
[00:23:58] due to potential disasters that occur,
[00:24:02] such as the Sumatra disaster yesterday. But for Sumatra, we can also
[00:24:05] see that the handling for several
[00:24:09] months after the disaster
[00:24:12] has even led the Ministry of Finance to allocate calculations of 60
[00:24:15] trillion, and even before that, I also helped to provide
[00:24:19] the effect or economic impact, or how much money we need to
[00:24:22] spend, so that calculation came out a week after
[00:24:26] the disaster, and that was then immediately executed by
[00:24:30] the Ministry of Finance in this case. providing a portion
[00:24:33] or cash for disasters, okay, I'll
[00:24:36] transfer to Mas Gusti, Mas Gusti, what's your response? Still related
[00:24:40] to economic growth in the region, where earlier we also saw
[00:24:44] the data that Java Island is still dominant in contributing
[00:24:47] to national economic growth.
[00:24:51] For some regions, I also saw earlier, some PDRBs, like in
[00:24:55] Sulawesi, it grew by two digits, right? The economic growth, that's one of the
[00:24:58] reasons why it's driven by mining, and we hope
[00:25:02] that it's not just mining that can grow, because if we look
[00:25:06] at it, we believe that growth shouldn't just be about
[00:25:09] raw materials, that's why I also believe in industrialization and so on, but it
[00:25:13] would be even better if we shifted to a green economy and also how
[00:25:17] to add value, that's actually short. For the region,
[00:25:21] yes, please add about the green
[00:25:24] economy. Actually, in our calculations,
[00:25:27] as I mentioned earlier, regarding the investment needs for
[00:25:31] some core infrastructures, the investment needs to achieve
[00:25:35] the 8% growth target from six core infrastructures is 10,000
[00:25:39] trillion rupiah, and from that 10,000 trillion rupiah,
[00:25:42] 1,500 to 2,000 trillion rupiah is based on
[00:25:46] the green economy
[00:25:49] or if we look at it, I'm taking calculations from ZP,
[00:25:52] the Just Energy Transition Process or Partnership, and
[00:25:56] even now we are sending a delegation to
[00:25:59] COP in Turkey later, that's one of the goals. The goal is
[00:26:03] to what do you call it? To expand or even emphasize
[00:26:07] our commitment to this green economy, because this is already in
[00:26:11] our roadmap, in Astacita number
[00:26:14] Astacita, in number eight, there's sustainable economy,
[00:26:18] so we must be able to coexist with the environment,
[00:26:21] right? Because if we talk about the economy of natural resources, we are talking
[00:26:25] about intertemporal factors, what we consume now,
[00:26:29] must then be more orderly, so that in the end it can be more sustainable.
[00:26:33] Okay, as we enter the conclusion,
[00:26:36] I want to go back to Mas Gusti, Mas Gusti, what is the biggest risk
[00:26:40] that, according to you, can hinder Indonesia's economic growth in
[00:26:43] the fourth quarter of 2026,
[00:26:46] and what public policies should
[00:26:50] be improved?
[00:26:53] Or the most important thing, in my opinion, is the government's public communication. Actually,
[00:26:56] I've seen several times, several spokespeople
[00:27:00] who actually talk about negative things. For example,
[00:27:02] the dollar will reach 22,000,
[00:27:06] then taxation on barbers, informal workers.
[00:27:08] In my opinion, that's not good, and in my opinion, it really shows
[00:27:12] that the government is not a servant, but a master, and this shows
[00:27:16] that this is like from the time of VOC, as Mr. Sultan said earlier,
[00:27:20] on this day. Secondly, I agree with Mas
[00:27:23] Fitra that the green economy is indeed a government target,
[00:27:27] or the government has planned its plans, but I haven't seen
[00:27:30] any real efforts to truly enter the green economy.
[00:27:34] For example, are there special KUR for green
[00:27:38] economy projects? And there are so many green
[00:27:41] economy projects in the field that are very expensive and get
[00:27:44] credit, but for those that are low and below,
[00:27:48] it's very difficult, especially if we talk about transition. That will also
[00:27:52] be part of climate change mitigation, if we talk about green
[00:27:55] economy projects. So if earlier Mas Kit also talked about disaster
[00:27:59] mitigation, funding green projects can be one of the levers
[00:28:03] for future economic growth, and thirdly, I hope
[00:28:06] that government spending, or ministries, truly focuses on
[00:28:10] things that provide a very large trickle-down effect to the community,
[00:28:13] like that. Finally, to Mas Fitra, answering what was
[00:28:17] said earlier, what policies will then be improved by the government? One of the things highlighted
[00:28:21] was communication, right, Mas
[00:28:24] Witra? That's why I want to be invited, because I
[00:28:28] speak according to my expertise. When it's economics, I come,
[00:28:31] when it's not economics, I don't want to come because I don't understand. So I only talk about
[00:28:35] issues that I master. Now, if
[00:28:39] we talk about green economic targets,
[00:28:42] actually, that is also part of our comparative advantage.
[00:28:46] One of them is carbon trading, for example. Carbon trading,
[00:28:50] if from the discussions,
[00:28:53] we can even pay people, right? What is our limit?
[00:28:57] Our limit is human resources, our limitation is superior
[00:29:00] human resources. Well, we can't just
[00:29:03] make everyone qualified in an instant, right? But with the current
[00:29:07] conditions, how about carbon trading, people
[00:29:10] just or green stuff and what is it
[00:29:14] called, things that are green economy, we can
[00:29:17] employ people to sit and monitor
[00:29:20] trees, and they are even paid twice the minimum wage if we can
[00:29:24] do this well. That's why our delegation's trip
[00:29:27] to COP in Turkey later is one of the reasons for that, not
[00:29:31] just to emphasize commitment, but we also have to look at it from this
[00:29:35] side, what the financing for growth will be like, then from the
[00:29:39] sustainability effect, and how to empower
[00:29:42] people, even in the groups that were just mentioned,
[00:29:46] groups that are not even compatible with industrial progress that will be affected by
[00:29:50] industry, affected by robots, affected by robots, as
[00:29:53] Baltin said in Globotics Upheaval, that our challenge
[00:29:57] in the future is not just globalization, but also
[00:29:59] robotics and automation. So that's our challenge, but on the
[00:30:03] other hand, we already have the answers, one of which is
[00:30:07] if we focus on the green economy just now, for example, okay, one
[00:30:12] the last quarter
[00:30:16] this last quarter is almost over, right? We are entering
[00:30:19] November, but on the other hand, if
[00:30:23] we look at the challenges, they are not getting smaller,
[00:30:26] but if we look at what we
[00:30:30] can do throughout this year until
[00:30:33] at least the third quarter, it has shown that the Indonesian economy
[00:30:36] is quite resilient, from the consumption side and also from the investment
[00:30:40] side. And it's also important that we keep
[00:30:44] our economy at the level we
[00:30:47] want, then not sacrificing, for example,
[00:30:50] rules or our fiscal capacity that must
[00:30:54] be sacrificed so much, because we have also committed that later
[00:30:58] even if there is a deficit expansion, it's because of an expansion
[00:31:02] of energy subsidies and compensation, it will not exceed 3%
[00:31:05] deficit, based on the law on state finance, and that
[00:31:09] is