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[00:04:31] With the development of the Internet and social networks, bullying is actively
[00:04:34] spreading in the virtual space. This is already a separate
[00:04:38] problem - cyberbullying, where anyone can become the object of ridicule
[00:04:41] and slander, regardless of
[00:04:44] age and social status. In the current
[00:04:47] legislation, unfortunately, there is currently no
[00:04:51] separate type of responsibility for cyberbullying.
[00:04:55] Therefore, such acts are currently regulated on general grounds,
[00:04:58] as insult.
[00:05:01] In classic school bullying, the distribution of roles
[00:05:04] is as follows: the bully, who is the instigator of harassment,
[00:05:07] followers and approvers, on the other
[00:05:10] hand, the victim, defenders and... the indifferent.
[00:05:13] There are such myths that only weak
[00:05:17] children become victims, yes, there or by some distinguishing
[00:05:21] feature, well, with poor eyesight,
[00:05:24] yes, or with short stature, yes, something that
[00:05:27] is not standard. In fact, this is a myth.
[00:05:31] Absolutely anyone can become a victim.
[00:05:34] There are some external signs that the
[00:05:37] bully doesn't like, and he can
[00:05:41] latch onto this external sign... or behavioral sign.
[00:05:44] We flew to Magnitogorsk
[00:05:49] to investigate a story that
[00:05:51] caused a lot of noise in the city. Regional
[00:05:55] media wrote about this. A local resident sued the school for
[00:05:59] 100,000 rubles for bullying her son.
[00:06:03] This is precisely the case when
[00:06:08] the bullying of a child at school is not
[00:06:12] covered up, not silenced, but gets
[00:06:15] publicity. How did it happen that the problem could not be solved
[00:06:19] within the educational institution? The boy's mother will tell us about this,
[00:06:22] who took the case to
[00:06:25] court.
[00:06:29] The main bullying began at the beginning of the fourth grade, when the child
[00:06:33] was diagnosed with a chronic illness. Our doctors from
[00:06:36] Chelyabinsk, we went to an appointment, they diagnosed him
[00:06:40] with atopic dermatitis, eczema on the background of. atopic dermatitis was expressed in the fact that
[00:06:42] his hands
[00:06:45] cracked very badly, that is they
[00:06:48] bled, inflammation began. They prescribed a lot of ointments, including
[00:06:52] antibacterial ones, and so as not to miss lessons,
[00:06:56] we applied a thick layer of this ointment to his hands
[00:06:59] and put cotton gloves on him, black ones. I understood
[00:07:02] that the disease is not contagious, it is not contagious, it is genetic, he has had it since
[00:07:06] birth. The literature and drawing, for example, was taught by Galina
[00:07:10] Alexandrovna, when she... on the first day she saw the child, she
[00:07:14] told him: take off your gloves,
[00:07:17] what is that? He said, I won't take off my gloves, and he
[00:07:21] said: why won't you take them off, what kind of gloves are those? He said: I have sores there, I won't take them off, he
[00:07:25] said: if you don't take them off now, I'll come to you and take them off you. He
[00:07:29] naturally got scared, he went up to her, he took off these gloves, he showed
[00:07:32] his hands, she said, she looked at them and said: put them
[00:07:35] back on, and he went back to his seat. Well, naturally, the children
[00:07:39] laughed. Children don't need much reason
[00:07:43] to start laughing and bullying a child,
[00:07:45] and from that day, everything, as it were,
[00:07:48] began.
[00:07:54] Vova, that's Galina's son's name. Classmates started
[00:07:57] calling and sending messages from a certain girl,
[00:08:01] who threatened to complain about him to her hacker brother to hack all
[00:08:05] accounts.
[00:08:08] Hello, I already wrote to you, what are you, I
[00:08:12] wrote that
[00:08:15] you would go, what do
[00:08:18] you want?
[00:08:22] Seva, I'll send this to your mom, Seva, such
[00:08:26] nonsense every other day, that's it,
[00:08:29] Seva disconnected, mm-hm. One of the main
[00:08:33] ways to counter
[00:08:36] cyberbullying, including in schools, is, of course,
[00:08:39] prevention. Parents.
[00:09:12] sit there, because very often classmates would take
[00:09:16] a photo of some classmate and start drawing
[00:09:19] something on him, or signing some
[00:09:22] offensive words and sending it to the whole class, well, in general,
[00:09:26] they mocked him like that, it was normal to come up,
[00:09:29] kick him, throw his school supplies off
[00:09:33] the desk, yes, burp in his
[00:09:37] face, that is, such humiliating things
[00:09:40] happened, he stood near the director's office.
[00:09:42] Rather, he was coming from the toilet, an classmate ran up to him,
[00:09:47] well, then it was visible on the cameras that there were three of them, but he only saw one who delivered
[00:09:51] the blow, and hit him twice with his fist in
[00:09:54] the head. You can see them following him down,
[00:09:58] walking,
[00:09:58] no.
[00:10:06] He stood by the office, started going down, at that moment he was pushed down the stairs,
[00:10:10] he flew through the stairwell and fell to...
[00:10:25] the chest, if we talk about teenagers, there are such
[00:10:28] age-related features when you need to prove yourself, when
[00:10:32] if a person has low self-esteem, you really need
[00:10:35] to raise it, and where in school or in
[00:10:39] the Internet space, that's what's available, that's the environment in
[00:10:43] which I communicate, so if I'm weak, I need
[00:10:46] to become stronger,
[00:10:49] and if I haven't been shown accessible forms, pleasant for other
[00:10:53] society, then I will.
[00:10:55] do what this animal instinct tells me, I would
[00:10:59] say, the previous bullying targets left, so this is probably
[00:11:03] the fifth child, my son, who is leaving this class, before that
[00:11:07] they mocked someone else, he remained,
[00:11:10] here additionally it also played a role that he has this disease,
[00:11:13] which can be made fun of,
[00:11:15] ridiculed,
[00:11:18] and bullies are never alone, they
[00:11:22] always have followers, that is...
[00:11:25] he always creates a certain
[00:11:28] pack around himself,
[00:11:31] which will help him in this.
[00:11:34] The child, in the end, took all this very hard, we were afraid to leave him
[00:11:37] alone at home when all this happened,
[00:11:41] because teenage suicide is a very
[00:11:45] painful topic right now. He cried constantly, he didn't sleep at night, we immediately
[00:11:48] went to a psychologist, she talked to him, she wrote
[00:11:52] a conclusion that yes, he has psychological problems there.
[00:11:56] Yes, now he has problems with stuttering, now we are forced to go
[00:12:00] to a psychologist, get treatment from a neurologist, take
[00:12:03] medications, hoping that it will
[00:12:07] pass. I also read that Vova, after all this
[00:12:11] story, well, due to all this story, also left the Olympic
[00:12:14] Reserve school, yes, he can't train there now, because, well, they
[00:12:17] just don't give him a certificate, because he is registered with a neurologist after a concussion,
[00:12:21] no one made contact...
[00:12:25] from the very first day when the situation
[00:12:28] happened, we went to the hospital, no one contacted us, no one called, no one
[00:12:31] asked how
[00:12:34] from school, yes, from school, I'm not even talking about the parents of these children.
[00:12:38] Galina decided to go to court, the court found
[00:12:41] the institution itself guilty, because there is a federal law on education, which
[00:12:45] states that the school is responsible for the life and health of children
[00:12:48] while they are there. Moral damages, yes, specifically for the emotional
[00:12:52] suffering of the child, since the child was at school. The
[00:12:55] fact of bullying was proven, specifically by the literature teacher,
[00:12:59] she admitted in court, well, that is, she confirmed that yes, I made
[00:13:03] a remark to the child about the gloves, I didn't like them, they were too fashionable in my opinion, and
[00:13:07] the fact that the child was beaten was proven, that is, there were videos, I didn't have the goal
[00:13:10] of making money from the school or my own son,
[00:13:14] the precedent was important to me, it was important for me to prove in court the fact
[00:13:18] that the school was at fault, the fact that this actually happened, the fact that
[00:13:21] the teacher, the teacher was indeed engaged in this dirty...
[00:13:25] bullying, and the children eventually supported it, and the children eventually supported it. Now Vova
[00:13:29] studies in another school, where, according to Galina, he has a good
[00:13:33] relationship with teachers and classmates. The most
[00:13:37] important thing is that he came first and said, can you imagine, they call me Volodya at
[00:13:40] school, I say, well, what did they call me before?
[00:13:43] A moron.
[00:13:47] Well, don't come to me, you can hate me, okay, just don't bother
[00:13:51] me anymore, don't get into real life. I
[00:13:55] really don't want to anymore, Dommer, forgive everyone, forgive me, I just
[00:13:59] wanted to be cool, to look
[00:14:02] cool. This is an example of how a hater himself becomes
[00:14:05] the object of bullying. The young blogger Pukhlyash, for views
[00:14:09] and subscribers, recorded a so- called
[00:14:12] exposé of a well-known online video game
[00:14:15] reviewer with the nickname Dommer. I started releasing videos,
[00:14:18] releasing, releasing, releasing, I hated Dommer all
[00:14:22] the time, I hated, I condemned, I acted
[00:14:25] like Morgenshtern, I also caught all this hate and
[00:14:29] hype. and this is rotten, this is
[00:14:33] a maximally rotten person who inflates
[00:14:36] subscribers, likes, comments,
[00:14:40] drinks, cheats money, cheats on
[00:14:44] advertising, knowing this rotten
[00:14:47] Dommer, he can do such crazy things, and knowing
[00:14:51] all this, do you still think that Dommer
[00:14:54] is good... if even after all this you still
[00:14:58] think that Pukhlyash is telling you the truth, in all my
[00:15:01] video clips where I exposed Dommer,
[00:15:05] where I said how bad
[00:15:07] he was, it was all
[00:15:10] made up and I deliberately said it that way,
[00:15:14] so that I would get more hype,
[00:15:17] traffic. They started calling my phone with threats,
[00:15:21] then they started calling my parents' phone, they...
[00:15:25] also called my aunt's
[00:15:28] phone, who lives in another country. Every
[00:15:32] comment was about me being bad,
[00:15:36] well, you can look at them. Here, here, here, here's
[00:15:39] a comment: forgive everyone, forgive me, just
[00:15:42] please, don't bother me
[00:15:44] at all.
[00:15:48] According to statistics, in Russia, systematic
[00:15:51] insults, slander and threats on the internet
[00:15:55] are encountered by 28% of men
[00:15:57] and 21% of women. Most often,
[00:16:00] network attacks arise due to the professional activities
[00:16:03] of a person who has displeased someone. About
[00:16:07] what hate and bullying on the network are, I and
[00:16:11] my fellow journalists know firsthand. As soon as
[00:16:14] material appears on the internet, commentators
[00:16:17] immediately flock and write that the author's
[00:16:20] appearance is not right, and the texts are talentless, and
[00:16:24] the speech is completely useless. The most
[00:16:27] hardcore haters are, as a rule, the heroes of the materials
[00:16:30] we show without any embellishment. I immediately
[00:16:33] recall our film about the relocatees, those very ones.
[00:17:07] And this was the reaction of these very relocatees to our
[00:17:11] film: no refutations and adequate analysis
[00:17:14] of the material, only slander against me. They wrote that
[00:17:18] I was a Prigozhin journalist, an employee of PMC Wagner,
[00:17:22] a spy, almost Mata Hari. I change
[00:17:24] my appearance, introduce myself with different names, including
[00:17:28] a certain Ekaterina Pas. They even published a blurry photograph
[00:17:32] of an unknown woman, an image
[00:17:35] into which I supposedly transform. Of course, it's all
[00:17:38] unsubstantiated, no confirmations, no
[00:17:41] evidence, well, at least fake. The reliability
[00:17:44] of information here is not important at all. For cyberbullying,
[00:17:47] any fiction works, even blatant
[00:17:50] nonsense. In order to bring a person to responsibility,
[00:17:54] it is necessary to contact the local prosecutor's office and
[00:17:57] provide relevant evidence. This may
[00:18:00] include printouts
[00:18:02] of SMS messages, video from surveillance
[00:18:06] cameras, recordings of telephone conversations.
[00:18:10] If the harassment or insult occurred on the Internet, then
[00:18:13] it is absolutely necessary to attach screenshots
[00:18:16] of the Internet page
[00:18:19] where the communication naturally took place. I never
[00:18:23] wrote a statement about the slander against me. The
[00:18:26] haters' opuses didn't seem serious to me, but there are
[00:18:30] situations when aggressive cyberbullying really harms
[00:18:33] reputation and it's impossible not to pay attention to it.
[00:18:38] you work conscientiously, there I am a mother who raises
[00:18:41] a child alone, yes, for me work is the source
[00:18:44] of our very existence, yes, for me
[00:18:47] reputation is what I've been building for years, 15 years I worked on this
[00:18:50] reputation, we have a large firm, company, serious clients,
[00:18:54] corporations, government contracts,
[00:18:56] where anything, that we can do something illegal, will backfire on
[00:19:00] everyone, and that's really true, you wake up in the morning, and they write
[00:19:04] unpleasant things about you online. Just as a person, it just says, here
[00:19:07] the documents in court were forged. Victoria Dergunova is a
[00:19:11] public person, a well-known lawyer, partner and
[00:19:14] head of family law practice in a large law
[00:19:18] firm, president of the charitable foundation
[00:19:21] "Lawyers help children." I represented
[00:19:24] the interests of a mother in one of
[00:19:27] the disputes, in not one, but six
[00:19:31] family disputes with her ex-
[00:19:34] husband regarding the children over several years. Over all these
[00:19:38] several years, her ex-husband lost all
[00:19:42] disputes, without exception, he
[00:19:45] began to blame me, specifically me, for
[00:19:48] not being able to agree with his wife. In parallel with
[00:19:52] this, I had another dispute, where also, where
[00:19:56] parents were arguing about a child. This was my
[00:20:00] client,
[00:20:02] and from his position, well, his vision of how it should
[00:20:06] be resolved further.
[00:20:37] A wolf in sheep's clothing who doesn't care about his mother, about our
[00:20:41] children. Two of Dergunova's clients refused her
[00:20:44] services. Seeing that her goal was to stage a Brazilian
[00:20:48] soap opera and continue to milk them dry.
[00:21:05] it differs in that it is a round-the-clock
[00:21:08] intrusion into your personal
[00:21:12] space, constantly writing something, hating,
[00:21:15] trolling, posting and so on, and this will always be
[00:21:19] what he wants, his motivation? As
[00:21:23] a rule, he wants attention, maybe it's revenge, maybe
[00:21:27] envy, but it's always attention.
[00:21:30] What can I do, everything was deliberately done to inflict
[00:21:34] maximum reputational damage on me, specifically
[00:21:37] me, that is, to alienate me from managing partners in
[00:21:40] the hope that they, apparently, seeing all this,
[00:21:44] what was written, would be scared, maybe I don't know.
[00:21:47] In my case, there was also
[00:21:51] the forging of financial documents in court, articles 303 and
[00:21:55] 159 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and the organization
[00:21:58] of a fake psychological examination. And here
[00:22:01] we, without hesitation, immediately filed a lawsuit in
[00:22:05] court. And in this sense, I am very grateful to the company, which stood
[00:22:08] like a wall behind me, because in any harassment it is very important
[00:22:12] to feel that you are not alone, that there is a supportive environment that
[00:22:15] is ready to get involved in the situation, to stand up for you.
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[00:27:13] We are going to St. Petersburg to record an interview with
[00:27:16] blogger Vyacheslav Dalmatov, who is known
[00:27:20] on social networks for original parodies of
[00:27:23] show business stars and heroes of popular
[00:27:26] TV shows.
[00:27:54] to Slava and know that he was raised in an orphanage,
[00:27:58] where he was a victim of bullying. How did the
[00:28:01] bullying happen and why was he chosen
[00:28:05] as the object of ridicule, the blogger agreed
[00:28:08] to frankly tell us about this: it so happened
[00:28:11] that my family is dysfunctional in
[00:28:14] the sense that it is a large family, at that time my mother had four
[00:28:18] children, she was alone, that is,
[00:28:21] it turns out, without a father, without
[00:28:24] fathers, I would even say, I was raised in different orphanages,
[00:28:28] children are cruel, why exactly in orphanages, because not only do they
[00:28:32] precede... ahead
[00:29:41] of the whole planet, that is, I was
[00:29:43] the mayor
[00:29:46] of the class, that is, I ran for school president, so in general, I was always so ideological, I was involved in
[00:29:49] a theater studio, a vocal studio. The guys from
[00:29:53] the orphanage, for example, went around garages, they drank, smoked, I
[00:29:56] was absolutely a black sheep, you understand, that is, all the guys
[00:29:59] live in one pack, and I.