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00:00:00We were in a difficult situation. We included it in
00:00:03our electoral program and entered the government to implement
00:00:06this, meaning I can't. The cost was five billion. He told me,
00:00:10"What about these liabilities that exist? What should I do with them? I need to bring in
00:00:14contractual employees." I need to fix all educational categories.
00:00:17All of them are affected. The cost reached
00:00:2029 billion dirhams. This
00:00:23is what Moroccans need to know. Today, the sector
00:00:26meaning the issue of staying in has reached its peak of success, and we are proud
00:00:30that the President of France, in
00:00:32actor, whether in Ghana, in front of the head of government
00:00:34the majority or in and in front of the African community, told them, "You can be proud
00:00:38of what Morocco is doing." And this is a head of state who will not speak
00:00:44but I did Ben Youssef in that were withdrawn from about, about. Let me add something so we can move to other topics, because we no longer have this issue
00:00:47of just this. If we don't tell
00:00:51Moroccans today, when will we tell them? They need to know. Very
00:00:53important. It was possible only for the health
00:00:56sector to give us some data. The health sector
00:01:00because it is the backbone of the discussion and the backbone
00:01:03of society. The health sector, everyone was
00:01:07in RAMED. RAMED, RAMED. It didn't succeed.
00:01:10You created a RAMED system
00:01:13affects investment, for example. It affects but you didn't fund it to enter this for this system to survive.
00:01:16the civil registry, I am There were no appointments for nine months, seven months,
00:01:19a year, until the person died. This was not happening. Today,
00:01:23we brought a system. Do you know how much time we spent just to set
00:01:26the laws for this social protection project?
00:01:30Greetings, Professor Sabah. A great effort has been made in
00:01:33the country, and we must acknowledge it. We must
00:01:38Every stone in this acknowledge it. Today, the Moroccan citizen
00:01:41has the right to go to a public hospital if he wants.
00:01:44If he wants to go to a private hospital, he can go. Although
00:01:47there are some reservations, I
00:01:51memory always heard them from you
00:01:52sharp between you in that 90% of the budget that goes to health goes to the private sector.
00:01:56Private, correct. But I
00:01:58to leave the now have a public sector.
00:02:01Sick, and I have a private sector that exists.
00:02:04This Moroccan is sick, should I tell him to stay sick
00:02:08until I finish the reform
00:02:11is considered one of the important withdrawal as of public hospitals? Impossible. Therefore, we are working at a
00:02:15distinguished pace. This is what the Minister of Health is doing. A great
00:02:19job.
00:02:22The issue of unemployment figures, I will come to that. I will come to that.
00:02:25What is being done today should not be underestimated.
00:02:28Therefore, we, as Moroccans, regardless
00:02:34Moroccans. And among the files that of our political affiliations, this success that these two systems are experiencing, we must
00:02:39grew up in this support and encourage it, because all of this is for the benefit of my children and your children. This debate
00:02:43today is beautiful, and we hear these numbers and what
00:02:47to my studio in the room has been achieved and mentioned in the presentation
00:02:51at home, of the government's achievements in
00:02:53I talk to you about this term. That's good. But there is a general feeling
00:02:58because it came out of among wide segments of citizens that this has
00:03:00not reached them. Where is the flaw? And there are
00:03:05it's just about those from the opposition who also criticize the weakness of the political measure of
00:03:08the majority. Look,
00:03:11perhaps there is some truth
00:03:14neighborhood, and it naturally overlooks This presence in my house is located in this in this. There is no communication. There is a problem with communication, and I'll go further
00:03:17with you. The governmental structure for five
00:03:21years raises a big question. I will, I will
00:03:24talk. We spent five years with three
00:03:27strong parties. The governmental structure gave what it brought.
00:03:31nowadays. So, this The ballot boxes brought three parties. This choice can be repeated in
00:03:39I found my parents had left in the governed the country, we became the next elections. The results of the elections are that the government will be made up of three parties. They are called Said. I
00:03:42think, I think that
00:03:45this majority, and this is a criticism you can take, but I think it was
00:03:48healthy. This current governmental structure has three parties,
00:03:52meaning the level of, of, of
00:03:56politics was weak, but the level of
00:04:01Mr. Abdullah, Morocco is changing. Many
00:04:04sectors are moving. Many
00:04:07things in our country are changing. And we see this through
00:04:11the eyes of foreigners, not even through our own eyes.
00:04:13We do not doubt the nature,
00:04:16the weight of those who represent
00:04:19what they are now within the government. But when politics happens, there is
00:04:23a word next to it called communication about what you are doing.
00:04:26It needs to reach people. What the government cannot do, it says, "I didn't do it."
00:04:30But these
00:04:32because it was a bit close to are the available options. But
00:04:34the door, especially in silence should not last. It doesn't last for a period. There is
00:04:36financial independence. In my communication, but then it becomes incapacity. It's no longer. Not incapacity,
00:04:39but we will, we will
00:04:43move
00:04:44was studying with me to the topic of who will bear the responsibility
00:04:47of defending the government's achievements.
00:04:54to Al-Safyani." This colleagues in the opposition Will all three defend it, or will each party defend its ministers and sectors? I see now that they have started, and each one is scratching their own back. Mr. Ghiyat defended health
00:04:57and education. I, I think,
00:05:01lie to Moroccans. I think now it's time
00:05:03were in the that there are some who will, well, look, morally, we should defend the government's
00:05:07achievements. But to go to elections, to go to the citizen, you will
00:05:11defend your party's achievements.
00:05:15Elections with some prior coordination from the opposition, from
00:05:18the majority, you don't have movements. No, we
00:05:21don't. No, no, we don't. Okay.
00:05:24Let's assume
00:05:26that the first place was won by another
00:05:30party other than the National Rally of Independents, meaning for
00:05:34you it doesn't pose a problem,
00:05:39the government remains a political challenge for the National Rally of Independents.
00:05:43Whatever its leadership is, first of all, we respect
00:05:47what the Moroccan citizen will decide. He is the one who will choose, and therefore at that time,
00:05:51the decision whether to join the government or not will remain
00:05:54a decision, for example, if
00:05:56but we are working to be the first, because we have
00:06:00started major projects behind His Majesty
00:06:03the King, and we want to complete them. But yes, if
00:06:06this happens, meaning you will make way for other
00:06:10parties. I mean here the Socialist Union
00:06:13for Popular Forces and the Justice and Development Party,
00:06:17meaning within the government, Sabah, we have no red
00:06:20line. We are ready for any
00:06:23political expression that shares the same concerns as
00:06:26the Moroccan citizen. We are ready to deal with
00:06:30you. You don't have any problem with a specific party.
00:06:33No problem. Any party that gets the third or fourth place, any
00:06:37party that Moroccans voted for, and we were in the leadership and had the opportunity
00:06:41to ally, we have no problem.
00:06:44This is good in political discourse. But practically, the parties
00:06:47that are currently, meaning the first four in the opposition, and who
00:06:50criticize you harshly throughout these five years,
00:06:54they were your allies, meaning you allied with them in
00:06:57previous governments. But today, meaning
00:07:00the paths have diverged, and the discourse has become
00:07:05both directions. Do you want me to give you my opinion?
00:07:08I think, I think it's just noise.
00:07:14What the National Rally of Independents has done is a great
00:07:17work for the country. These
00:07:20criticisms, I hear some of them, but
00:07:24the work that has been done is great work. I will not tell you that we do not claim
00:07:27perfection. Perfection belongs to God, but what
00:07:31we have done is all with conviction to serve the nation.
00:07:34I cannot listen to this discourse
00:07:37and the criticisms of the opposition. It's natural that they do it, but they need
00:07:40to leave room for the water to flow. Okay, the other issue concerns
00:07:44let's go to the current parliamentary
00:07:47experience. For you, it was
00:07:50an exemplary experience,
00:07:54but there is an issue here related
00:07:56to the image among public opinion
00:08:00of the institution. How do you see this image among
00:08:03Moroccan public opinion? And before
00:08:06the numbers, I will talk to you about the quality
00:08:09of the projects to add, to add, to add the point that
00:08:13the opposition considers it only a voting chamber. No,
00:08:17the projects that the government
00:08:20brings, nothing more. I want to ask you, when they
00:08:23were in power, wasn't parliament a voting
00:08:26chamber? The nature of parliament is a voting chamber.
00:08:30There must be voting. When they had the majority,
00:08:34they didn't talk about tyranny. When they governed all the cities of Morocco,
00:08:37we didn't talk about tyranny. When they had a number,
00:08:40we didn't talk about tyranny. Today, when
00:08:44the Moroccan citizen gave this parliamentary formation that
00:08:49tyrannical. Look, Professor Al-Fadhila, before
00:08:53we look at the results of parliament by numbers, we need to look at the quality
00:08:57of the projects that have passed.
00:09:00Look at how many structured projects
00:09:03have been
00:09:05implemented. To be implemented, they need laws.
00:09:09Health, education, justice,
00:09:12investment, employment, the strike law. How long
00:09:15was it pending? We brought it, voted on it, and passed it. The investment
00:09:19law, likewise. Education, health. What
00:09:22was done in the health sector is incredible. How much
00:09:26time we spent. Parliament was a beehive,
00:09:29working in an exceptional
00:09:32way. Please, this constitutional
00:09:35institution, there is no democracy without parliament, and we must
00:09:39preserve it. The opposition criticizes you for not going in the direction
00:09:43of the fact-finding committee, and also for not interacting
00:09:47more with legislative initiatives. I will tell you
00:09:50about that fact-finding committee. I
00:09:53will give you the real stance. Parliament
00:09:56is going to close, and some
00:09:59of my
00:10:03and in the majority told me, "The parliament is now
00:10:06causing a fuss in the streets. Vote with us. Parliament
00:10:09is going to close." I told them, "No, we are a responsible party. We cannot
00:10:14We cannot lie. Parliament today
00:10:18cannot do this, and you have enough votes to do
00:10:21that. Otherwise, look, even that fact-finding committee.
00:10:25The day I told them not to go to the fact-finding committee, do an investigative
00:10:28mission, or we formed a conviction that there is
00:10:31a waste of public funds. I assure you that we will join you, because we also
00:10:35defend the country. We are not outside
00:10:38it, on the contrary. But there were political
00:10:41maneuvers, and a responsible party leading the government cannot get involved in this,
00:10:45because our reputation, our image in front of the citizen, we must protect
00:10:48it. What makes issues
00:10:51like the wealth tax and fighting corruption stagnate
00:10:55with the political
00:10:59the government, considering that the opposition was ready to
00:11:01go ahead with this specific issue? I don't understand
00:11:05how, in the files
00:11:07parliament, you had illicit enrichment. That
00:11:11criminal law has one or two clauses that confirm
00:11:15this. When
00:11:19the government came, they had been ruling for 10
00:11:22years. Why didn't they issue that law until
00:11:26we came? We saw that that
00:11:28law, those clauses
00:11:30were made
00:11:33in a retaliatory way. We cannot do that in the country, and that
00:11:38the country's image. Those two clauses are only found in
00:11:42one, two, or three countries in Latin America that have the problem
00:11:45of, of, of,
00:11:48of drugs, you understand? Therefore,
00:11:52why should we get involved in this? On the contrary.
00:11:55We look for demands
00:11:58to say where this enrichment came from.
00:12:01How did it happen? He is the public official.
00:12:05As a parliamentarian, the day I was elected, I went and
00:12:08declared my assets. During the term,
00:12:11I declare, and at the end of the term. I am concerned.
00:12:15Why should I involve all Moroccans in this process? Every parliamentarian commits to this, everyone.
00:12:19What if they don't declare? They lose their membership.
00:12:22Therefore, look, that whole file is political
00:12:26maneuvering. These people who are talking today, they have been
00:12:30ruling for 10 years. Why didn't they issue it?
00:12:33Some present this
00:12:36fear from the majority of accountability and fighting
00:12:39corruption. And I am telling you what happened. Are you afraid
00:12:43of fighting? No, we're not. And I am telling you, I declare. I,
00:12:47as a public official, declare,
00:12:49and the concerned institutions have everything.
00:12:53All of this, Mr. Abdullah, is political maneuvering, and we should not fool
00:12:59remained unresolved in this term and were not resolved is the pension reform file.
00:13:02The postponed file until
00:13:06a ready file.
00:13:09Ready. We hear that. I tell you, the file
00:13:12is ready, and God willing, directly,
00:13:16the next government, the appointment will start with it. And this file needs
00:13:19to be dealt with. This file needs to be dealt with. Why
00:13:23wasn't it dealt with in this government term?
00:13:26Between you and me, we didn't reach agreements with social
00:13:29partners. We need to, but we will go
00:13:32until. You didn't convince the unions. Now will you be able to convince
00:13:35the unions in the next government?
00:13:39the next government, Mr. Ghiyat, this is confidence in the presence in
00:13:42perhaps if Moroccans want us to be there. But do you
00:13:46have the capabilities for it? Are you working on it? We are working on the electoral
00:13:49program. The party elite now, and who
00:13:53you will nominate as elite. Look, before I talk about, let me talk to you about the party.
00:13:57How do you have 30 seconds, sir? If my brothers
00:14:01operation allow me, its time.
00:14:03The program. Just to tell you, the party structure, we have
00:14:0712 regional coordinations and we have
00:14:101500 local coordinations. So in those
00:14:1312 regional coordinations, their regional coordinators, all
00:14:17the districts. All these districts will be covered, and God willing, we are
00:14:21confident that what we have done, we will go with our heads held high.
00:14:27Moroccans often do not risk changing their leadership before
00:14:31elections, and this is what the Rally party did. On the contrary, the
00:14:33Rally party, even though the leadership changed, the party is still following
00:14:37its methodology. It works, it communicates. We conducted
00:14:40the largest listening operation ever carried out by a political party in Morocco over
00:14:44five years. We took all the concerns of Moroccans.
00:14:48Our electoral program will be released soon, God
00:14:51willing, and it is very simple but useful for Morocco. Thank
00:14:55you, Mr. Mohamed Ghiyat, Deputy Speaker of
00:14:58the House of Representatives, member of the Political Bureau of the National Rally of Independents. Thank you
00:15:02for your contribution to this political discussion within the "Point to the
00:15:05Line" program. Thank you, Professor Sabah. Thank you, Mr. Abdullah. Thank you, Abdullah. Thank
00:15:09you, Sabah. Thank you, Mr. Mohamed Ghiyat. This was the "Point to the Line" program
00:15:13live on Al Oula channel. See you next week, God willing.
00:15:17Greetings to the program
00:15:18team.