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00:00:00The Socialist Progress, meaning its last presence in the government was
00:00:05This is reflected in spending, and it is reflected in during the era of Wali Mr. El Othmani in And fourth, be careful of 2021. The Popular
00:00:07Moroccan enterprises, and it is reflected in Movement as well, meaning even the elites today that will be presented by the
00:00:10political parties of the bloc, other than the Istiqlal Party, are elites who have not experienced
00:00:15to agree on government work and were in the opposition more than in the government. Therefore, this will also
00:00:18have repercussions on the performance of the next government. Thus, we give
00:00:22both scenarios 50% 50%. Each scenario has
00:00:26its own cost. There is no scenario that is only
00:00:32without cost. Perhaps we can conclude regarding
00:00:34the digital world, alliances that it is
00:00:37the finance law, an increase in almost certain that the number of
00:00:39spending means an increase in parties forming the next alliance will not be only three, meaning perhaps
00:00:43in four or five, more than three. Therefore, this raises a set of
00:00:45problems related to the distribution of
00:00:49give you something and I lose 100%. The portfolios, the number of ministries, and thus, as you said, we will have a Balkanization and at the same time, pressures that create
00:00:53a problem in policy convergence with something else, because the more you have, the
00:00:57more you are forced to create portfolios.
00:01:06We have produced secretariats of state and other than the Ministry of Finance, we have a secretariat
00:01:10and a delegate minister and a minister. I think
00:01:13to satisfy these parties that will form
00:01:16is waiting for answers to a set of the next government alliance for me, I have to
00:01:18distribute an additional financial cost that burdens the state
00:01:21budget, but also this weakens public policies
00:01:25and weakens convergence, making government policies today
00:01:28heavy with procedures and additional ministries. Today, we need to
00:01:32reduce the number of
00:01:35does not, let's say, take at portfolios and move towards parity
00:01:38reassuring measures at for citizens through ballot boxes. This between men and women. These are the things that should be a priority. But when you go and add a larger
00:01:41there being a set of reassuring measures at number to your government formation, of course, you have to satisfy
00:01:44all spectrums. I don't think any party, no matter its size,
00:01:48will accept only one or two ministerial positions. Every party, because
00:01:52all other parties are the ones that are pressing, they have their elites who
00:01:55are pressing, and all elites also need to be
00:01:58represented more and more. The parties, this is on one hand. On the other
00:02:01hand, which program will we implement? Will we implement the program of the
00:02:05Contemporary Authenticity Party that won the elections, or the program of the Istiqlal Party, or the program of the Socialist
00:02:09Union? Or how will the agreement on the program be? Since
00:02:12we have started, we will move on to programs. Are there really
00:02:16fundamental differences between the programs of these
00:02:18parties that have now expressed their desire to be part of
00:02:22the government? Let me give you an example. There are no
00:02:26for territorial justice to be present in differences because all programs revolved around a set of points that strengthen
00:02:35regarding the issue of wage increases purchasing power, develop
00:02:37on infrastructure, enhance access
00:02:39citizens, the one who made this to services in education, health, and other areas with high quality. These are the basic demands of the Moroccan
00:02:42citizen. Demands
00:02:45for example, the Contemporary Authenticity Party
00:02:48for example, it did not go into the issue of capping the minimum wage at
00:02:515,000 dirhams. The Istiqlal Party went there. The Istiqlal Party brought
00:02:555,000 dirhams. The Rally The Rally includes the
00:02:59measures and efficiency in Istiqlal Party, which brought us dirhams for young people who are about to get married. Let me give you an example
00:03:02of how I can reconcile them. The Party
00:03:05The Party The Authenticity and Modernity
00:03:08Party said that it cannot implement the issue of capping
00:03:12wages, capping, because it raises problems related to
00:03:15investment.
00:03:18Raising wages, especially in Some proposed one million jobs, some proposed 750,000
00:03:23Immediate and urgent expectations, especially in jobs. Each party has a certain vision reducing income for the same concerns that Moroccan citizens have. So, there is another
00:03:27issue that we will not feel now because today we will only focus on positions
00:03:30and portfolios and who will board the government ship and who will disembark
00:03:34from it. Only then will we reach the stage of drafting
00:03:37a government program that everyone will agree on,
00:03:41and then we will move to implementation. I, in parentheses, always
00:03:44mean that electoral campaigns are one thing
00:03:48and government programs are perhaps different. To what
00:03:52extent is this logical? In the end, you committed to citizens
00:03:56and is waiting for 100 days from with certain commitments, and therefore,
00:03:59you said that if we lead the government, we will insist on these
00:04:02commitments that we put in the program. What are
00:04:06the things that, for you, cannot be abandoned? I will start from your words. The party
00:04:09or most parties today concerned with implementing its program is the one that came
00:04:13at the head of the government. This is its authority, but it has other constraints because it does
00:04:17not have an absolute majority. Because when you, as a party,
00:04:20will raise the issue that you
00:04:24only to other promises, but I will stick to contracted with me, because voting is a contract, you contracted to implement the government program. You did not give me an absolute
00:04:28majority, and therefore, I cannot
00:04:31a gradual reduction in implement the program as it was drafted, presented, and proposed
00:04:36will show the intention to implement this during the election campaign. It should have been voted on, and you should have given me an absolute
00:04:38purposes. So, in majority of 198 seats. I don't have it. So today, the broad
00:04:43the base of contributors to the tax system in lines, the main lines, will remain. What we ask of citizens
00:04:48citizens in the decisions to show good faith in is that we keep these programs and make them indicators, and we continue to evaluate government work, because evaluating
00:04:50government work is not only for parliament to do
00:04:54officially and civil
00:04:56society, and parties in the opposition in another way. The conscious
00:05:00citizen today is required
00:05:02pressing issue today that must be addressed in to come tomorrow and attend and vote again and choose the
00:05:05next government in 2031, but he must follow up on the government today,
00:05:09whether it has fulfilled its promises or not, so that when the election
00:05:13date comes, the municipal election date, he finds indicators
00:05:17and data to be able to discuss with
00:05:21today the issue is difficult for
00:05:24all parties, not only the Modernity and Authenticity Party,
00:05:27a specific program, even though this program does not deviate from the concerns.
00:05:31Second, the constraint that we did not address and I would like to mention now is that today
00:05:34the government must declare its formation not only because
00:05:38of the opening, because this is a constraint, but
00:05:41also something very important here, which is the finance law.
00:05:45We cannot draft a finance law while we have not
00:05:48yet formed the new government and we do not know the sectors we have. We
00:05:51cannot have the 2027 finance law come out and then we say, "Oh, the Ministry of
00:05:55National Education and Higher Education, we merged them, they became one, we changed the budget,"
00:05:59or we will separate or we will. So here, no, the government structure must be
00:06:02in place, on which we will base the financial structure. Therefore,
00:06:06today, Al-Mansouri, this is another constraint in a big way. Yes, madam,
00:06:10since you mentioned the constraints, it is our next topic. What are the most important challenges
00:06:13and constraints, and also the expectations that
00:06:16citizens have from the next government? Expectations and challenges, one constraint,
00:06:20not a constraint, but a challenge for the government. The government today must be aware
00:06:23that the level of citizen awareness has increased, and the issue
00:06:27today is that citizens have started to refer to election promises and have also started to hold accountable through
00:06:30ballot boxes. We have seen development and we have seen
00:06:33with the Liberal Party, even if partially. Therefore, all parties in the future
00:06:37must take into account that if they make promises to the Moroccan
00:06:40citizen, they must fulfill them. Therefore, if they do not fulfill election promises, they may
00:06:44be subject to an electoral vote, and this is a legitimate and guaranteed right
00:06:49is the first constraint, and therefore, the constraint related to this constraint is that
00:06:53your program is implemented because no party wants to be
00:06:57punished by voters. Madam,
00:07:00since you mentioned citizens, we would like to hear some of their opinions. We have gathered some
00:07:04opinions regarding their expectations from the next government.
00:07:07Let's watch.
00:07:09We hope for a strong, cohesive government
00:07:13with a strong, proactive opposition. What
00:07:15does the Moroccan citizen expect from these elections?
00:07:19Of course, public policies must serve the citizen: purchasing power,
00:07:23improving living standards,
00:07:26territorial equity. We expect the regions to be
00:07:29We expect Morocco not to be at two speeds,
00:07:33Morocco to be, meaning Morocco
00:07:39public policies. We expect effective,
00:07:42high-speed, and rapid implementation
00:07:44of social and economic priorities, at the forefront
00:07:48of which is stimulating the labor market,
00:07:51improving public services like health and education,
00:07:55and effective implementation of the program
00:07:57proposed by the party. The challenge
00:08:01today is for the Moroccan citizen to feel
00:08:04the impact of these policies in their daily lives
00:08:08through concrete
00:08:11implementation. We hope that this government, first of all, to
00:08:15be a promising government, is for the implementation of promises, because the basis of
00:08:18trust in political work is the implementation of promises. A lot of this government
00:08:21is in the field of education
00:08:25and health and employment as well.
00:08:32tax.
00:08:35the social aspect, when we talk about supporting citizens’
00:08:39purchasing power and finding solutions to curb rising prices,
00:08:43in addition to strengthening and reinforcing social
00:08:46protection, in addition to prioritizing
00:08:49sectors of a social nature, such as health, education, and transportation. This
00:08:53is in addition to expectations of an economic nature, mainly
00:08:56related to the necessity of creating sources of income
00:08:59to enhance employment opportunities. So, we have followed
00:09:02these opinions. An initial comment on these opinions of
00:09:05citizens. Everyone is waiting
00:09:08impatiently to see how these promises will be implemented, promises related
00:09:18to employment, related to wage increases, related to prices, especially fuel and so on. So, today the citizen has passed the stage of elections and is waiting
00:09:21with great eagerness for the formation of this government. What are its pillars and how
00:09:24will it deal in the first hundred days with the essentials? I think
00:09:27the issue of wages will be present in the first hundred days. What
00:09:31will the government do, especially today, and I will not stick
00:09:36the promise of the majority party. The majority party did not propose capping the minimum wage,
00:09:40but it proposed something else. It proposed
00:09:44income tax, and I believe that the first hundred days
00:09:48proposal and this promise. Therefore, perhaps it promised that this
00:09:52will be done gradually during the term, but at least the first
00:09:57implementation, because this is a challenge, because the first hundred days, the opposition
00:10:01will give you a grace period. The citizen will give you a grace period, and therefore, the first hundred
00:10:05days will be what? What are the decisions, even if they have a long-term
00:10:08impact? No problem. Second, I believe that the most
00:10:14the first hundred days, at least decisions must be taken on it, is the fuel file. I believe that today
00:10:18fuel exceeds 16 dirhams and has risen to 17 dirhams. It will be the first
00:10:22file presented to the government. It must intervene in it, for if it does not intervene, it may
00:10:26become a snowball that may push in another direction. So
00:10:30the first hundred days are crucial at the level of
00:10:33evaluating the work and the overall coherence and cohesion
00:10:37of the next government. And at the same time, even the drafting of the 2027
00:10:41finance law will give us an idea of the sectors that will be important,
00:10:44the newly created sectors, the sectors that will be merged,
00:10:47or abandoned. So, the citizen also awaits all these expectations,
00:10:51because the citizen does not have much patience. At least they need some yes. We followed
00:10:55the statements, everyone talks about purchasing power, meaning purchasing power has become
00:11:10a concern for all Moroccans. So what is expected from the next
00:11:13government in dealing with this file? I hope, I hope this year
00:11:17will be somewhat merciful to the government. I hope, first of all, in terms of rainfall, it will give it
00:11:21some breathing room, at least, and ease up a bit. Second,
00:11:23also, that the soaring fuel prices globally
00:11:27will decrease somewhat, especially
00:11:30due to the Strait of Hormuz between Ukraine and Russia
00:11:33and so on. But if these things do not happen, it will be a difficult year for the government today.
00:11:37The Moroccan citizen, as I said,
00:11:41questions. Was the government not taking into account that we have these constraints?
00:11:44How can we avoid these commitments
00:11:48turning into a tangible reality and not being delayed in the face of these possible
00:11:52transformations? Look, the citizen now has, regarding these files,
00:11:55now there will be a great sense of frustration if the government
00:12:00least some
00:12:03البدايه مايمكنش تمر مئه يوم يكون
00:12:06the beginning, at least to inaugurate
00:12:09the government's start. It will last five years. So today,
00:12:13what will it do? Even reports from research
00:12:16centers and the opposition will continue to be issued after one hundred days. So, one hundred days will show
00:12:19us whether the government
00:12:22bloc is serious in responding to citizens'
00:12:25demands or not. This is on one hand. On the other hand, we said before the 100-day
00:12:28deadline, the drafting of the finance law, the distribution of state budgets,
00:12:32are these things, is this reduction, because for example, we are talking about tax reduction
00:12:36that concerns wages, it must be included in the 2027
00:12:39finance law.
00:12:41Reducing certain revenues, so it requires special measures, special measures,
00:12:45but I think, because let's be realistic again, we have a
00:12:48party that represents the continuity of government
00:12:52work, and the person who gave us these
00:12:55statements
00:13:00and tax reduction
00:13:04proposal is the Minister Delegate for Finance, and therefore,
00:13:08he knows very well the limits
00:13:12of the state budget and its capacity to bear
00:13:15the pressure through reducing its revenues. He also knows who
00:13:18will compensate for these revenues. No, no, look,
00:13:22in some cases, in some parties, I can say
00:13:25this is just political outbidding. But when it
00:13:28comes from, for example, Mr. Fouzi Lekjaa, who is the Secretary of State,
00:13:31the Minister Delegate for Finance, and who has experienced this sector for years,
00:13:35he gave us a lot of things. He gave us things, he gave us data related to support and the value
00:13:39of the support that was discussed, and he also gave us a lot of data
00:13:42related to the budget's capacity to absorb tax burden reduction.
00:13:46It's a good thing. If we go by those numbers he gave us of 10 and
00:13:4920%, we will set a ceiling of 20% as the maximum we will reach
00:13:53in terms of tax deductions.
00:14:03The unprecedented rise today, we have never reached 17 dirhams and 16 dirhams for
00:14:07diesel. We have reached it. So this will be a prominent issue because
00:14:11all Moroccans are waiting for the formation of the government. The opposition
00:14:15is also silent today. Everyone is waiting for
00:14:18the drafting of the finance law
00:14:21the government. After that, criticisms will begin, and the government must be
00:14:24strong enough to absorb and withstand
00:14:27that first shock of the opposition. Yes, the government has many
00:14:30open dossiers awaiting it, chief among them
00:14:33the 2030 World Cup project, which requires
00:14:36significant resources for the infrastructure
00:14:40we need, and so on. So how can the government balance
00:14:43الانفاق على البنى التحتيه وايضا التكاليف الاجتماعيه التي
00:14:47await it, the social protection project
00:14:51Of course, of course, here this is another big challenge,
00:14:56and I add, how can it
00:14:59promises to reduce income tax, but there is also work that I previously
00:15:03and I know that there is great work on
00:15:08Morocco. Let's not forget that today we have a large segment of
00:15:13formal sector, reaching 60 to 70%, and we have a large
00:15:16segment that only paid us a declarative tax, we don't know how much
00:15:19they pay, and we have a large segment that has cash and doesn't pay tax on it, and cash
00:15:23today, you know that in Morocco, the citizen
00:15:44employment, because the engine of the economy is spending. Spending is the engine. Purchasing power
00:15:48is the main determinant of job creation. I cannot create jobs if I
00:15:52don't have purchasing power, because what is purchasing power? Purchasing power is
00:15:55spending. Spending on services and spending on goods that I buy. Who
00:15:59provides me with services and goods? They are companies. And the more the demand for
00:16:02services and products increases, the more
00:16:05they hire people. This is through the increase,
00:16:08because even the increase can come back, and even the state, even if there is an increase, let's be
00:16:12realistic, in the language of
00:16:17value-added tax. An increase in spending
00:16:19means hiring new people and new
00:16:23income taxes. So, it's not just that I will
00:16:26state budget benefits. Not to mention that if I expand the base of
00:16:30contributors, the state will benefit. If I fight something, for example,
00:16:34cash in the market, the budget will also benefit. So, if there is
00:16:37seriousness in this tax reform, the budget will not
00:16:41lose much; on the contrary, it will benefit, and we will have large financial margins
00:16:45to be able to finance the social protection
00:16:47project and to be able to finance investments in infrastructure.
00:16:50Investments in infrastructure also have returns, because we are talking
00:16:54about productive investment. We are not just building
00:16:58stadiums. We are building and redeveloping
00:17:00tourist flows, which this year
00:17:04exceeded 20 million. So, this also generates additional
00:17:08tax revenues. So, even investment should be productive,
00:17:11not just investment that we use to pay salaries
00:17:14and does not have a cycle and does not have a return on the state
00:17:17budget. So, today, if there is seriousness in implementing these
00:17:21reforms, we will not be losing, and we can reduce these taxes and we can reach
00:17:25high levels in terms of strengthening
00:17:28challenges. There is a difference between conception and
00:17:32government and its cadres deal with
00:17:36we started the episode with politics, and perhaps we will conclude with politics.
00:17:40The parties are forming the government alliance
00:17:43now, and their eyes are on the municipal elections.
00:17:46How are the parties preparing for these
00:17:49elections that we expect in an hour? I believe
00:17:53that today, the issue of municipal elections is also read in light of
00:17:56the elections that took place, and these new
00:18:00forces that these elections produced will also try to
00:18:03strengthen their position, especially the Justice and Development Party and the
00:18:07Left Party, which will be a fierce opposition, because from the opposition
00:18:10platform, it will try to mobilize
00:18:13its voter base. The government, in turn,
00:18:16has a year to prove that the citizen who voted
00:18:20for it was right. Otherwise, the
00:18:23انتخابات الجماعيه محطه عقابيه جديده لهذه الاحزاب اذا
00:18:26everyone is dealing with seriousness, and I said that even the government today benefits
00:18:30from fulfilling its promises and from
00:18:33and accelerating the drafting of the finance law
00:18:37let's go back to the scenarios, Ben Salek, to
00:18:41conclude. What is the scenario most likely to happen
00:18:44realistically, which Moroccans are perhaps waiting for
00:18:47for this government to come to light? I mentioned two scenarios. The first scenario is that we will have the
00:18:51Authenticity and Modernity Party, the National Rally of Independents, the Istiqlal Party, and
00:18:55two components from the center and left will be added to it. And I give this 50%.
00:18:59The second is the Istiqlal
00:19:01Party, it is the Authenticity and Modernity Party, the Istiqlal Party, the Socialist
00:19:04Union, and the other parties form the bloc, with
00:19:08preference given to the first scenario because the first scenario has normal strength
00:19:11and has continuity for the government work that began
00:19:15during the outgoing government's term, with the addition of
00:19:17a political dimension through opening up to the left as well,
00:19:21which the government needs to face the opposition. Yes, so
00:19:25the coming days will reveal to us
00:19:29alliance that everyone is waiting for. Thank you, Professor Badr
00:19:32El-Zeer El-Azraq, for all these insights. Thank
00:19:35you, and thanks are also extended to our viewers for their kind follow-up.
00:19:38Until we meet again in another episode, may you be safe with God's care.