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00:00:11Live from London. This is BBC News,
00:00:17News, new strikes hit two refineries refineries deep inside Russia as
00:00:20as a wave of Ukrainian drones target
00:00:22target the country. The BBC has granted
00:00:25granted rare access to Ukraine's Ukraine's navy as it patrols the
00:00:29the dangerous waters in the Black
00:00:30Black Sea. We have a special report.
00:00:33report. This vessel can look after after itself more or less. But what
00:00:37what it can't do is to stop Russia Russia attacking civilian ships coming
00:00:40coming in and out of Ukraine's ports.
00:00:44ports. Breaking news from the last last few minutes. The English FA
00:00:48FA withdraws support for the embattled
00:00:50embattled Fifa president Gianni Infantino.
00:00:53Infantino. Power failure causes major major disruption across railways
00:00:56railways in the northwest of England.
00:00:57England. We'll bring you the latest.
00:01:09latest. Hello and welcome to BBC BBC News. Ukraine has struck two
00:01:12two oil refineries deep inside Russia, Russia, including one of the country's
00:01:16country's largest, sparking huge huge columns of smoke over the city
00:01:20city of Yaroslavl. Ukraine's president president said they targeted the
00:01:23the refinery and another one as part part of its efforts to cut the revenues
00:01:26revenues which fund the Kremlin's Kremlin's war efforts. Well, across
00:01:30across Russia, the military says
00:01:31says it's intercepted and destroyed
00:01:34destroyed over 600 Ukrainian drones. drones. Meanwhile in Ukraine, at
00:01:37at least ten deaths have been reported reported following the latest wave
00:01:40wave of Russian air strikes. Russian
00:01:42Russian drones hit an apartment block block in Zaporizhzhia. Well, Russia
00:01:46Russia and Ukraine have stepped up
00:01:47up their attacks in recent weeks, weeks, particularly in the Black
00:01:51Black Sea. Russia has been targeting targeting ships using this corridor,
00:01:55corridor, which is supposed to allow allow international ships to bring
00:01:58bring goods safely in and out of
00:02:01of Ukraine. Ukraine has been launching launching its own attacks on ships
00:02:03ships here in the Sea of Azov to to try to cut off all supplies to
00:02:07to Russian occupied Crimea. So that's that's just part of the backdrop.
00:02:11backdrop. Let's start this hour with with the special report from our our correspondent Paul Adams, who's
00:02:14who's been granted rare access to to Ukraine's navy in the Black Sea
00:02:17Sea on condition he didn't reveal
00:02:20reveal their exact location. We're
00:02:24We're going on patrol with the Ukrainian
00:02:26Ukrainian navy out into waters made made increasingly dangerous by Russian
00:02:30Russian attacks. Rare access to a
00:02:32a unit facing constant danger in in a part of the country where a
00:02:36a drone or ballistic missile can
00:02:38can arrive with little warning. Yeah,
00:02:40Yeah, everyone is focused on alert. alert. They fire their guns every
00:02:44every day. This morning it looks
00:02:46looks deceptively calm with its guns,
00:02:49guns, it's netting and some of the the other equipment on board this
00:02:52this vessel can look after itself itself more or less. But what it
00:02:55it can't do is to stop Russia attacking
00:02:58attacking civilian ships coming in
00:03:00in and out of Ukraine's ports. Those
00:03:03Those attacks are increasing and and it's a major problem. There's
00:03:06There's a war out at sea Russia and
00:03:09and Ukraine hitting each other's other's ships, hundreds of them.
00:03:12them. For the past month, the images
00:03:14images have been pouring in. Every
00:03:18Every day we have to rescue crews crews and take measures to prevent
00:03:21prevent these attacks and reduce reduce their number. We're doing
00:03:24doing everything we possibly can. Ukraine is one of the world's
00:03:28world's largest grain exporters. exporters. Before the war, when these
00:03:31these pictures were taken, Odesa's
00:03:32Odesa's ports helped feed the world.
00:03:36world. The country's grain exporters exporters are worried the summer
00:03:39summer harvest is in full swing. swing. Russia's attacks coming at
00:03:42at the worst possible time. I would
00:03:45would say that we already have lost
00:03:48lost the ability to deliver to global
00:03:53global consumer around half 1 million million or 700,000 metric tonnes
00:03:55tonnes of Ukrainian grains and oilseeds. oilseeds. The war at sea is raging,
00:03:59raging, some of it out over the horizon,
00:04:01horizon, some of it right here along along the coast. Ukraine and Russia
00:04:04Russia are looking to exert maximum maximum economic pressure on each
00:04:08each other. For those who live and
00:04:10and work here, life is becoming increasingly
00:04:14increasingly dangerous. Svetlana Svetlana works in Odesa's port. She's
00:04:17She's been limping for the past year year ever since a Russian missile
00:04:21missile exploded nearby, killing killing two of her colleagues. The
00:04:24The last few weeks, she says, have
00:04:26have been grim. Oh. Low. It's very
00:04:32very difficult. A lot of sirens,
00:04:35sirens, a lot of drones, a lot of
00:04:37of hits. And for morale it's even
00:04:39even more difficult. People are very
00:04:42very tense. What can I say? Look
00:04:45Look at my hands. For all its dangers,
00:04:51dangers, this is summer in Odesa. Odesa. Ukrainians have flocked to
00:04:54to the beach. Mostly ignoring the
00:04:59the sirens and showing only mild mild interest. Earlier this week,
00:05:03week, when a Russian drone washed
00:05:05washed ashore. At the other end of
00:05:07of the Black Sea on the same day.
00:05:12day. Seven Russians were killed when
00:05:14when an intercepted Ukrainian drone
00:05:17drone fell on their beach back near near Odesa. We go looking for the
00:05:20the site of an explosion we heard
00:05:22heard earlier. We find 83-year-old
00:05:2583-year-old Andrei Dudek in the shattered shattered ruins of his house and
00:05:28and garden. It's been just five hours
00:05:30hours since a jet powered drone interrupted
00:05:33interrupted his afternoon nap. Somehow Somehow he escaped without a scratch.
00:05:37scratch. You think that you are the
00:05:40the accidental victim of Russia's
00:05:43Russia's attacks on the ports? Absolutely,
00:05:46Absolutely, he says. I won't forget
00:05:50forget this. This war on ships and
00:05:52and ports has many casual victims
00:05:54victims sailors, dock workers or or people simply unlucky enough to
00:05:58to live or work nearby. Paul Adams,
00:06:01Adams, BBC News, Odesa. Well, let's let's speak live to Michael Bociurkiw.
00:06:04Bociurkiw. He's a senior fellow at at the Atlantic Council. He's there
00:06:07there in the Ukrainian Black Sea Sea port of Odesa. Michael, thank
00:06:10thank you so much for being here here with us. Paul Adams wrote a
00:06:13a piece on the website. He'd been been talking to people saying that
00:06:17that those who live in Odesa feel
00:06:19feel that nowhere is safe around around that Black Sea area. Is that
00:06:23that how it feels to you? You're
00:06:24You're there. Yeah. Good to be with
00:06:27with you, Matthew. Well, always difficult difficult to follow the excellent excellent Paul Adams, but I think
00:06:31think he hit the nail on the head. head. In fact, I just came a few
00:06:34few minutes ago back from the city
00:06:36city centre. The air raid sirens
00:06:39sirens went off a few times. People People were in a panic. We could
00:06:43could hear the anti-aircraft guns guns going off over the port and
00:06:47and it is scary and you know, it
00:06:50it almost makes me tear up is that that when you hug people, long-time
00:06:53long-time friends here in Odesa, Odesa, you feel now really for the
00:06:57the first time that it could be your
00:06:59your last. And that's how unsafe unsafe it has become everywhere.
00:07:03everywhere. You only have to walk walk perhaps five minutes in any
00:07:07any direction in the city to see see destruction. And in fact, just
00:07:10just before I came on air, according
00:07:13according to several telegram channels channels which have photos and videos,
00:07:17videos, a second ship was hit out
00:07:18out in the port today. And just quickly, quickly, Matthew, this is important important because what they seem
00:07:22seem to be doing and not only targeting
00:07:25targeting targeted strikes but also also targeting ships that have previously
00:07:29previously been immobilised by Russian
00:07:32Russian strikes, but they're full full of cargo, mostly corn and wheat,
00:07:35wheat, but also full of bunker oil, oil, which means if they do get hit
00:07:39hit a second time, it could cause
00:07:41cause an ecological disaster. Here Here in Odesa. You describe what
00:07:45what it's like there so graphically. graphically. So thank you for that.
00:07:49that. But just for people watching watching around the world, quite
00:07:51quite often when we've been reporting
00:07:53reporting this war, we see strikes strikes around Kyiv. We've recently
00:07:56recently been talking about Ukrainian Ukrainian strikes deep inside Russia, Russia, not so much about what's
00:08:00what's been happening around the
00:08:02the Black Sea area, but how important
00:08:05important in this conflict is the
00:08:07the battle around there. Oh, well, well, it can't be overestimated.
00:08:11overestimated. I mean, this is world world port Odesa. This is a port
00:08:14port that feeds the world. Many countries
00:08:17countries on the brink of starvation.
00:08:20starvation. And it's not only food food items like corn and wheat, it's
00:08:23it's also fertiliser, things like like that that help farmers around
00:08:26around the world. And the I believe believe Paul touched on this in his
00:08:29his piece The Harvest season here here is happening shortly or already
00:08:33already starting to happen. And farmers farmers won't have a way to get their
00:08:36their goods out to world markets.
00:08:38markets. The roads are clogged. So
00:08:40So those kind of supply those corridors corridors that would otherwise be
00:08:43be available rail as well just aren't
00:08:46aren't there right now. Really briefly briefly if you could in terms of
00:08:49of those wider reports we were going going through only a few moments
00:08:52moments ago, those strikes deep into into Russia, the Wildberries they
00:08:55they were all Friday's and then Russia's
00:08:57Russia's response is do you see anything
00:09:01anything that has a chance of moving moving the dynamic here of what we've
00:09:03we've seen for 4 or 5 years? Well,
00:09:06Well, briefly, I mean, it is a tit-for-tat
00:09:09tit-for-tat now Ukraine strikes Wildberries Wildberries they strike back here here to the Ukrainian versions of
00:09:12of Home Depot. So that's very bad.
00:09:15bad. But you know the feeling here here is that the Trump administration
00:09:19administration can no longer be relied relied upon if we take the big three
00:09:22three players right now in this war
00:09:23war Russia, Iran and now North Korea,
00:09:26Korea, all of those lines go through through Beijing. And I think the
00:09:30the Ukrainians, if they want to see
00:09:31see some progress on the peace front, front, have to start leaning a bit
00:09:35bit more on Beijing to they have have the speed dial to all of these
00:09:39these leaders of these countries countries and could move things forward.
00:09:42forward. It may make them look better, better, especially if they don't
00:09:44don't want to see Russia and Iran Iran become failed states. So there's
00:09:47there's a lot at stake here. But But the diplomatic kind of ballet
00:09:51ballet here has to take a bit of
00:09:53of a switch for this war to end sooner sooner rather than later. Michael
00:09:57Michael Bociurkiw, great to talk talk to you as always. Thanks so
00:09:59so much for being here with us. Thank
00:10:03Thank you. Let's return to that breaking breaking news the last few minutes.
00:10:06minutes. The English FA have now now officially withdrawn their support
00:10:10support for the Fifa president, Gianni Gianni Infantino, after another day
00:10:13day of turbulent political developments developments around the embattled
00:10:16embattled head of world football. football. So let's talk to BBC Sport's
00:10:20Sport's Hugh Ferriss and Hugh. So
00:10:22So the English FA sending off that
00:10:25that letter, it was expected but but it's been sent Uefa repeating
00:10:28repeating their threats of boycotts. boycotts. It's another really turbulent
00:10:31turbulent day, as I was just saying. saying. Yes indeed. Matthew, hello
00:10:34hello to you. And the timing of it.
00:10:37it. Perhaps instructive given that that Fifa through Gianni Infantino
00:10:41Infantino and the Secretary General, General, Mattias Grafstrom, said
00:10:44said that statement out late last last night in part apologising for
00:10:48for everything that had happened happened up until this point with
00:10:51with the aborted attempts to create create this commercial subsidiary
00:10:54subsidiary into which they would would invite outside investment.
00:10:57investment. Because the FA have seen seen that and they have decided to
00:11:01to not change their stance and this this letter that they've had ready ready to go, we understand officially
00:11:05officially withdrawing support which which they had previously given to
00:11:07to Gianni Infantino for his prospective
00:11:10prospective re-election in March
00:11:12March of next year, has been formally formally withdrawn. And what we've
00:11:16we've seen over the last few hours, hours, Matthew, has essentially been
00:11:19been the battle lines that have been
00:11:21been drawn, being drawn ever more
00:11:23more firmly in response to that statement statement from Fifa having had that
00:11:27that meeting with the senior leaders leaders and executives in Morocco
00:11:30Morocco yesterday, Uefa talking about about the boycott that they originally
00:11:34originally announced in response response to the deal, will still
00:11:37still go ahead because they say conditions conditions that they outlined in
00:11:41in their initial rejection of Infantino's Infantino's plans last week have
00:11:44have not been met and that they say
00:11:48say nothing has changed after what what Fifa stated last night, attempting
00:11:51attempting to draw a line under the
00:11:53the affair, the players union FIFPRO, FIFPRO, who were against the plans
00:11:57plans last week, have also said that that that statement last night was
00:12:00was a profound abuse of presidential presidential power. They said that
00:12:04that Fifa Forward Enterprise is gone, gone, but the abuse of power that
00:12:08that produced it is not governance governance reforms, not a cover up
00:12:10up are urgently needed. So those those who are against it in the first
00:12:14first place have not been assuaged assuaged from that point of view.
00:12:17view. Matthew, by what has happened happened from the Fifa point of view
00:12:21view last night. You really briefly, briefly, if there is to be a challenge,
00:12:25challenge, how does a challenge happen? happen? Well, it's a numbers game
00:12:28game essentially. Matthew, to get
00:12:32get 106 members of Fifa's 211 member member associations, you have to
00:12:35to gather together the votes. That
00:12:37That would be to oust the Fifa president president in the election, which
00:12:40which is coming up in March of next
00:12:42next year. But Uefa with their 55
00:12:4655 if they are to be unified member member associations, would need a
00:12:50a lot more than just what they can
00:12:52can call upon. There is the prospect
00:12:55prospect of an extraordinary Congress
00:12:57Congress to vote on the potential
00:12:59potential ousting of Gianni Infantino Infantino but crucially, Conmebol,
00:13:03Conmebol, who is the South American American Federation. They've come come out this afternoon saying that
00:13:06that they would not like that to to happen and that the normal procedures
00:13:10procedures and democracy to take take place as is instituted by the
00:13:13the November deadline for potential potential challenges to Infantino
00:13:17Infantino and that March election election next year. Hugh, thanks thanks for taking us through all
00:13:21all of that. What I've been talking talking to Jim Boyce. He's a former former Vice President of Fifa. He
00:13:25He told me he's not surprised that
00:13:27that Fifa management decided to back
00:13:29back Infantino yesterday evening.
00:13:32evening. These people are employees employees of Fifa. It's their jobs.
00:13:36jobs. Their jobs are at stake. And
00:13:38And I think it was perfectly obvious obvious that they were going to come
00:13:42come out and hand back the President President because obviously it's
00:13:45it's their livelihood and it doesn't doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
00:13:49slightest. How perilous is his position,
00:13:52position, do you think? Well, I think
00:13:55think his position is quite perilous,
00:13:57perilous, but I think an awful lot
00:13:59lot depends my hearing what Uefa
00:14:02Uefa and I have just read the statement. statement. They don't appear to be
00:14:05be backing down. I have always said said that a World Cup without the
00:14:09the European teams in it, it just
00:14:11just wouldn't work. But there's more
00:14:14more serious problems initially because
00:14:16because the Women's World Cup qualifiers
00:14:18qualifiers are taking place in October October of this year and at this
00:14:22this point in time, Uefa have said
00:14:25said that their European teams will
00:14:27will not be playing in these qualifiers. qualifiers. So. And you really think
00:14:31think that's a possibility? Do you you think of not just talking about
00:14:34about a boycott but actually going going through with it? Women and
00:14:38and men? Well they've said so they've
00:14:41they've said and I think now somehow
00:14:44somehow for this to be resolved.
00:14:47resolved. Gianni Infantino and obviously
00:14:49obviously the President of Uefa have
00:14:51have got to somehow sit down and and have got to try to resolve, which
00:14:55which is a very serious situation. situation. Final quick question,
00:14:58question, because as yet we don't don't have any sort of contender contender who might stand against
00:15:02against him. I suppose that helps
00:15:03helps him. As of now, you know him.
00:15:06him. You know how much of a powerbroker
00:15:08powerbroker he is. You know how he he works behind the scenes. Can you
00:15:12you see a situation still that despite despite this Ferrari that exists
00:15:16exists now that he can see it off?
00:15:18off? Yes I do. I think that I think
00:15:23think someone may well challenge challenge him now. I mean, three
00:15:25three weeks ago it appeared that that there was over 200 associations
00:15:29associations that had already given given him his backing. So he was
00:15:31was going to walk in at the end of of the day, even though he does face
00:15:35face a challenge, I'm not sure there's there's somebody strong enough that
00:15:38that would be able to defeat him. him. More on that story as it comes
00:15:42comes in. We're going to take a short short break around the
08:48:59Iran have put pressure on those here here at the White House. The stakes stakes are high for Republicans and and Democrats and for the American
08:49:03American people. For the latest, latest, follow us on the President's
08:49:05President's path here. On BBC News.
08:49:11News. Welcome back. And let's turn turn back to those problems facing
08:49:14facing railways in northern England England after a power failure left
08:49:18left thousands of travellers stranded. stranded. While Network Rail is warning
08:49:21warning of major disruptions due due to power issues impacting signalling,
08:49:24signalling, and has warned that the the problems could last for the rest
08:49:27rest of the day. The power failure failure happened just before 2pm
08:49:302pm local time. The affected centre centre in Manchester houses all the
08:49:34the controls to safely operate the the railway. So let's hear from our
08:49:38our North of England correspondent. correspondent. First of all, Rowan
08:49:40Rowan Bridge, he was actually on
08:49:42on one of those trains. This service service left Manchester Piccadilly
08:49:46Piccadilly just after 1:00 this afternoon afternoon and we realised there were
08:49:49were problems not long after that that because the train sort of juddered
08:49:53juddered to a halt. It then sat there there for a while and then finally finally made it through to Macclesfield.
08:49:57Macclesfield. But then it basically basically sat at Macclesfield for
08:49:59for the best part of an hour. We're
08:50:02We're now clear of that and you may may be able to tell the train is
08:50:05is now on its way down to London, London, but other services that left
08:50:09left Manchester after us haven't haven't been so fortunate. The reason
08:50:11reason we've made it through is that that they were able to basically basically guide the train through
08:50:15through the last of the problems problems with the signalling and and onto the track where it was clear,
08:50:19clear, and that's why we're on the the move. But the services behind
08:50:22behind us haven't been so fortunate. fortunate. They are still caught caught up in all the signalling problems,
08:50:26problems, and that means they are are going to face even more significant significant delays than we're facing
08:50:30facing at the moment. We're due into into Euston about an hour or so later
08:50:34later than we were meant to arrive arrive there, but thankfully we are are going to make it. But it's going
08:50:38going to cause disruption for people people like us who are trying to
08:50:41to make connections onto other services. services. Well, that was Rowan Bridge
08:50:44Bridge with me here still, as our our correspondent Sean Dilley keeping keeping across all of this. Shaun,
08:50:48Shaun, tell us a little more about about the cause of this and just
08:50:51just how long it is going to go on on for because it's affecting thousands
08:50:55thousands of people. Yeah, it is is the origin of this is what some
08:50:59some people call the rock, the rail rail operating centre in Ardwick
08:51:02Ardwick in Manchester there was a
08:51:03a power cut in the area. Disruption
08:51:07Disruption happened. Transport for for Greater Manchester say around
08:51:09around about 2:00 in the afternoon. afternoon. Now we understand that
08:51:13that it wasn't just the rail network network that was impacted, it was
08:51:15was in the area more broadly, but but it had a pretty devastating impact
08:51:19impact on a very important part of
08:51:21of the rail infrastructure. Instantly Instantly contingency plans were
08:51:25were put into place. Managers are
08:51:27are safely guiding trains into trains, trains, into railway stations. Now
08:51:31Now that was a priority, but so too too was communications. And actually
08:51:35actually what was notable to me watching watching these things for many years
08:51:38years is how quickly social media media channels were updated and a
08:51:41a disruption map was put up online.
08:51:44online. Many people, of course, contacting
08:51:46contacting us on the BBC News Live Live page sharing their stories.
08:51:49stories. We've heard how swimming swimming instructors, for example, example, are concerned they might
08:51:52might not get from Bristol to Edinburgh
08:51:55Edinburgh in time for an event this this evening we've heard massage
08:51:58massage therapists say they're also also concerned about their experience.
08:52:02experience. Now that that we heard heard from our North of England correspondent correspondent is fairly typical with
08:52:06with some passengers worried and and upset. But what I can tell you,
08:52:09you, having spoken to sources in
08:52:11in Whitehall and in the transport transport network generally is yes,
08:52:15yes, there is likely to be disruption
08:52:18disruption into this evening. If If you can check travel, that's absolutely
08:52:22absolutely advisable. But things
08:52:24things are now slowly finding themselves themselves heading in the right direction.
08:52:28direction. Trains are where they they need to be. Railway stations
08:52:30stations are getting back to where
08:52:32where they need to be. Do check out out the BBC online live page for
08:52:36for all of the latest. Sean, thanks thanks for taking us through all all of that. Thank you. Now let's
08:52:40let's turn to the Iran war with reports reports of a possible breakthrough
08:52:43breakthrough over the Strait of Hormuz.
08:52:44Hormuz. Iran says they're close to to finalising an interim agreement
08:52:48agreement with Oman over the vital vital waterway, which has effectively effectively been closed since the
08:52:51the start of the conflict in February. February. Pakistan, which is mediating
08:52:55mediating between the US and Iran, Iran, says it hopes an agreement agreement will lead Washington and
08:52:59and Tehran to resume talks and resolve resolve their conflict. If confirmed,
08:53:02confirmed, a deal might begin to to ease the economic crisis that
08:53:06that has shaken markets over months. months. But it could also cement
08:53:09cement Iranian control over the maritime maritime choke point. Well, let's
08:53:13let's get the latest. Joining me me now is Bahman Kalbasi from BBC
08:53:16BBC Persian and also our North America
08:53:20America correspondent Shaimaa Khalil Khalil Batman. Let me start with with you because tell me a little
08:53:23little more about what the Iranians Iranians are saying about what this
08:53:26this deal actually looks like. They
08:53:30They haven't gone into details, but
08:53:32but they are saying that they have
08:53:34have reached sort of a general agreement agreement with Omanis. The parameters
08:53:38parameters of it are agreed to, the
08:53:41the routes are agreed to. So now now we're waiting for more details.
08:53:44details. Is there going to be a toll
08:53:47toll charged? If so, what the percentage
08:53:48percentage is? We've heard something something around 5 to 7% is what
08:53:53what Iranians are proposing. Apparently Apparently Omanis want something
08:53:55something smaller, maybe around 3%.
08:53:583%. Americans, at least. The official official position is that there shouldn't
08:54:01shouldn't be any toll at all. But
08:54:04But nevertheless, even if there are,
08:54:06are, there is no toll. The sort of of recognition and acknowledgement
08:54:10acknowledgement of Iran's control
08:54:12control or monitoring of this, as
08:54:14as it was mentioned in the memorandum
08:54:17memorandum Memorandum of Understanding
08:54:20Understanding the fifth column of
08:54:23of that memorandum where it specifically
08:54:25specifically said Iran and Oman manages
08:54:27manages are going to manage Strait Strait of Hormuz jointly or in co-ordination
08:54:31co-ordination with each other. This This will be an achievement for them
08:54:34them to say, regardless of what the
08:54:36the fees are going to be, that the
08:54:39the West in the United States specifically specifically and countries in the
08:54:42the Persian Gulf all sort of acknowledge acknowledge that Iran will have to
08:54:46to play a role. And it's the role
08:54:48role in controlling the strait is is legitimate. And that would be
08:54:52be an important step for
08:54:56Tehran. So we are seeing the outlines outlines of a deal, I suppose what what is still unclear, you could
08:55:00could get an agreement between Iran
08:55:02Iran and Oman, but that does not not necessitate an agreement between
08:55:06between Tehran and Washington, does
08:55:07does it? I think you took the words
08:55:10words right out of my mouth. I cannot
08:55:12cannot stress enough that a deal
08:55:15deal or an agreement or a potential potential agreement between
08:55:19Iran and Oman over control, and we we need to underline the word control
08:55:23control here because that means so so much to Tehran. That doesn't mean
08:55:27mean necessarily that this is going going to be a quote unquote deal
08:55:30deal between Iran and the United United States. Again, I cannot stress
08:55:33stress enough that we're still a
08:55:35a way away from that because we could could get those parameters. And I
08:55:39I think the language used in the the trickles of what we're getting
08:55:43getting in the fine print is really really interesting. And I'll just
08:55:45just take you through some very quick quick bullet points. Ships entering
08:55:48entering the Gulf would use an Iranian
08:55:51Iranian controlled route. Iran would would have authority over inbound
08:55:55inbound vessels and the ability to to intervene. Ships leaving the Gulf
08:55:58Gulf would use routes running between between Iranian and Omani waters.
08:56:01waters. Oman would give the final
08:56:03final exit clearance, but only if
08:56:06if Iran had been notified and therefore
08:56:08therefore this retains Iran's control control over outgoing. The parameters
08:56:12parameters the. The geography of of it is still being agreed upon
08:56:15upon and then, as mentioned, there there are the fees. We can call them
08:56:18them tolls. We can call them fees.
08:56:20fees. But these are not just fees
08:56:22fees in terms of security or environment.
08:56:25environment. These are percentages percentages of the value of the cargo.
08:56:28cargo. This is going to be a whole whole other can of worms about whether
08:56:31whether or not some of the cargo cargo ships, some of the companies,
08:56:35companies, the insurers are going going to accept this. So yes, we're
08:56:39we're getting all those details. details. Remember they haven't been been agreed upon. Even if they do
08:56:42do that needs to go back to Iran,
08:56:44Iran, to Tehran, to Ayatollah Khamenei Khamenei and his council to agree
08:56:48agree upon. And then there is Washington,
08:56:51Washington, all of this that's in in front of us tells us that this
08:56:54this is going to be turned from the the Strait of Hormuz, is going to
08:56:57to be turned from a free shipping shipping route to an Iranian controlled
08:57:00controlled route. That is exactly exactly what Washington does not
08:57:03not want. I've only got about a minute minute and a quarter, and I want want to squeeze in a question to
08:57:07to both of you so briefly, if you you could, Shimer of course, Donald Donald Trump has said Iran would
08:57:10would be hit very hard if the strait strait doesn't open very soon. He's He's made those threats before and
08:57:14and of course not carried them out.
08:57:17out. Yes. And this has been a pattern
08:57:19pattern of Donald Trump's that he he threatens military action, that
08:57:22that he pulls back and says there there are talks and then Iran goes
08:57:26goes back and forth into what these these talks look like. I think that
08:57:29that Iran has called President Trump's Trump's bluff many times. They have
08:57:33have shown that they can ride these these waves, but they also take them
08:57:37them seriously because Donald Trump Trump has done this before, where where Iran has been hit. But also,
08:57:40also, of course, Iran then retaliates. retaliates. Rahman 30s and apologies
08:57:44apologies for that. But, you know, know, in the prospects of actual
08:57:47actual talks to resolve all the major
08:57:51major areas of this confrontation confrontation and conflict, how far
08:57:53far away are those. They're far away. away. But we heard from the foreign
08:57:57foreign minister of Iran in recent recent days that the demands of the
08:58:00the Americans have on the nuclear
08:58:02nuclear file are so outrageous and and outside of the bounds of what
08:58:06what Iran is prepared to give. That
08:58:08That is why we divided the two and
08:58:11and pushed the nuclear file to a
08:58:13a later stage. So for Iran settling
08:58:16settling straight and lifting the the blockade and getting some oil
08:58:20oil sanctioned release and relief
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