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00:00:20programme today 36 African migrants migrants deported from the United
00:00:23United States to Cameroon have gone gone to court to stop their removal
00:00:27removal to their home countries, countries, challenging a controversial
00:00:30controversial US Cameroon migration migration agreement and seeking legal
00:00:33legal permission to remain in Cameroon.
00:00:35Cameroon. For Cameroon to have accepted
00:00:38accepted to get them to Cameroon.
00:00:42Cameroon. That was presupposing two two things that one, that Cameroon
00:00:44Cameroon was safe enough for them
00:00:46them to be there. Elsewhere. CAF's
00:00:49CAF's executive committee meets today
00:00:51today in Egypt as Fifa president
00:00:54president Gianni Infantino continues continues to seek African backing
00:00:57backing and Uefa maintaining its
00:01:00its opposition despite Fifa's apology. Football has never been
00:01:04been so divided and you can't be
00:01:07be president of an organisation or
00:01:09or 3 million people, which is divided.
00:01:13divided. And also coming up on the
00:01:16the programme. BBC focus on Africa's
00:01:19Africa's Conversation podcast speaks speaks to Nigerian Grammy nominated
00:01:22nominated artist Yemi Alade about
00:01:24about her Nigerian green passport
00:01:26passport and how it carries stigma stigma during her international tour.
00:01:30tour. And you see other Nationals Nationals going through immigration immigration easily until your green
00:01:34green passport comes up and then then the official sits up suddenly.
00:01:37suddenly. Now work has started.
00:01:54Many thanks for joining us on
00:01:56Focus on Africa. I'm Rhoda Odhiambo Odhiambo let's begin the programme
00:02:00programme in Cameroon where 36 African
00:02:03African migrants deported from the
00:02:05the United States have launched legal legal action against the Cameroonian
00:02:08Cameroonian government. They are are seeking the right to remain in
00:02:11in the country legally and prevent prevent any attempts to send them
00:02:15them back to their respective countries. countries. The migrants argue that
00:02:18that they were previously protected protected by US immigration courts
00:02:22courts from deportation because they they faced a risk of persecution
00:02:25persecution or torture if they returned
00:02:28returned back home. Now the migrants migrants are from the Democratic
00:02:32Democratic Republic of Congo, Angola,
00:02:33Angola, Ghana. Others are from Ethiopia,
00:02:36Ethiopia, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Senegal,
00:02:40Senegal, Zimbabwe and Morocco. Now Now their case challenges a controversial
00:02:44controversial US policy of transferring transferring migrants to third countries.
00:02:47countries. Cameroon is one of several several African countries that has
00:02:51has signed such an agreement with with the United States. Other African
00:02:55African countries include the Central
00:02:57Central African Republic, Equatorial
00:02:59Equatorial Guinea, Rwanda, Ghana,
00:03:01Ghana, South Sudan, Eswatini and and the Democratic Republic of Congo.
00:03:05Congo. Not forgetting Sierra Leone.
00:03:07Leone. Well, joining me now to talk
00:03:09talk more about this is the BBC's
00:03:12BBC's Paul Jay, who joins us live live from Yaounde. Many thanks for
00:03:15for joining us on the programme, programme, Paul. So for how long
00:03:18long have these migrants been in in Cameroon, and what has been the
00:03:22the condition of where they are staying?
00:03:28staying? Rhoda, these migrants have
00:03:29have been in Cameroon for about seven
00:03:32seven months now, and their lawyer lawyer has said that their conditions
00:03:35conditions are not quite the best best and that although they are free
00:03:38free to move around the neighbourhood neighbourhood where they are in the
00:03:41the capital Yaounde, they are restricted
00:03:43restricted in terms of their movements. movements. So some of them, as the
00:03:47the lawyers said, are currently ill, ill, others are traumatised and having
00:03:51having to live with the reality that
00:03:53that they are in a third country country or against their own volition.
00:03:57volition. Now has the government government been able to make public
00:04:00public this agreement that it signed signed with the United States to
00:04:03to have these migrants deported to
00:04:06to Cameroon? The government has not.
00:04:10not. In fact, they've been secretive secretive about this agreement or
00:04:14or deal, if you could call it that.
00:04:17that. And most people are doubtful doubtful about why it is that they
00:04:20they do not want to reveal the details details of what they agreed with
00:04:23with the United States government government in February, when a batch
00:04:26batch of deportees came into Cameroon, Cameroon, we did reach out to the
00:04:29the US State Department to inquire
00:04:32inquire about any possible bilateral bilateral agreement in terms of a
00:04:35a third country Nationals between between the US and Cameroon, the the US State Department told us at
00:04:38at the time that they did not comment
00:04:41comment on the diplomatic communications communications with their allies.
00:04:44allies. Now, Paul, you've been following following this story for the last
00:04:47last few months when the first batch batch and other people arrived in
00:04:51in the country, when were these people people expected to go back to their
00:04:54their respective countries before before their lawyers decided to file
00:04:58file this lawsuit against the government?
00:05:03government? That's a very good question, question, Rhoda. In fact, there is
00:05:06is uncertainty surrounding this very very matter because according to
00:05:10to the lawyer, the government is is not clear about the legal status
00:05:13status of these deportees and they they are not sure what the next step
00:05:16step for them will be. And the lawyer
00:05:18lawyer is insisting that these migrants migrants are not persecuted here
00:05:21here in Cameroon, but also are not not sent to another country where where they may face persecution.
00:05:25persecution. One thing is clear, clear, according to these migrants,
00:05:28migrants, they do not want to return return home where some of them said
00:05:30said they faced persecution and had had to make them leave to the United
00:05:33United States of America. It's a a very difficult situation for most
00:05:36most of them to grapple, and many many observers are criticising both
00:05:40both the US and Cameroon on such such a deal. It's true that the United
00:05:44United States government signed this this deal with several other governments, governments, and it's some sort of
00:05:47of an Africa wide policy that people
00:05:50people are seeing. But it's highly highly critical at this time. Well. Well. Many thanks for joining us
00:05:54us on the programme. That's the BBC's
00:05:56BBC's Paul Jay giving us an update
00:05:58update on the US and the African African migrants who are deported
00:06:01deported to Cameroon from the United United States. Now, the migrants
00:06:05migrants argue that Cameroon cannot cannot be used as a transit destination
00:06:08destination in a way that undermines
00:06:10undermines its constitution and international international obligations, setting
00:06:13setting the stage for a legal battle battle that could test the future
00:06:17future of the agreement and the rights rights of migrants caught up in it.
00:06:20it. Now, earlier I spoke to Barrister
00:06:23Barrister Joseph RFU, who is a human human rights lawyer in Yaounde, and
00:06:26and I started by asking him about
00:06:28about the current legal status of
00:06:31of the 36 deportees and what outcome
00:06:34outcome they are seeking. This goes
00:06:36goes against international the international
00:06:38international law, the sacrosanct
00:06:41sacrosanct principle of non-refoulement. non-refoulement. OK, these are people
00:06:44people who in the United States,
00:06:46States, United States courts have
00:06:48have adjudicated that they had some
00:06:51some kinds of protections. All right.
00:06:53right. These are people who qualified
00:06:56qualified for asylum. But just because because of some technicalities, they
00:06:59they could not be granted asylum
00:07:03asylum outrightly, but they qualified qualified for or they met a standard
00:07:06standard that was higher than the the standard for granting asylum
00:07:10asylum in, in saying that they could
00:07:12could not be returned to their countries
00:07:14countries of origin because of race,
00:07:17race, religion, national origin, origin, political opinion and membership
00:07:21membership in a particular particular
00:07:23particular social group. And so to
00:07:27to for Cameroon to have accepted
00:07:30accepted to get them to Cameroon.
00:07:33Cameroon. That was presupposing two two things that one, that Cameroon
00:07:36Cameroon was safe enough for them them to be there and two, that they
00:07:40they were not going to be persecuted persecuted in Cameroon. Now, if we
00:07:42we look at some of those protections protections that you say they have
00:07:46have from US courts, the protection protection rights that they have,
00:07:49have, and also this litigation that that has now started in Cameroon
00:07:53Cameroon does that in any way bring bring any legal hurdles that you
00:07:56you would face in this particular particular case? Definitely. I mean,
00:07:59mean, each time that you go to court,
00:08:01court, you know, you should be ready
00:08:04ready to be able to, to, to face face an opponent, which in this case
00:08:07case is going to be the state of of Cameroon, right? To be able to,
00:08:11to, to, to come up with, with, with with their arguments. Those are the
00:08:15the hurdles that I expect. And I
00:08:18I am ready, willing and able to be
00:08:21be able to, to argue those or to,
00:08:24to, to give counterarguments to those.
00:08:25those. So yes, I expect hurdles,
00:08:28hurdles, but those hurdles would would not I mean, we gauged it in
00:08:32in the first place before bringing bringing this suit to say that we
00:08:35we think that this bilateral agreement
00:08:39agreement between the United States States and Cameroon was illegal in
00:08:42in the first place and that it was
00:08:45was opening this up, opening up these
00:08:49these people to Refoulement or even even chain refoulement. And that's
00:08:52that's why we filed the suit in the the first place. We are asking the
00:08:55the government of Cameroon to be be able to, to bring this to light.
00:08:59light. OK. To be able to publish
00:09:01publish this so that we can see the
00:09:04the details of this because even
00:09:07even if we assume that the details
00:09:10details are published and that everything everything is out there, then there's
00:09:14there's still something wrong because
00:09:15because we think that these people
00:09:19people were not the they didn't have have individualised screening to
00:09:22to the point where they shouldn't
00:09:25shouldn't have been here because because we have members of a particular
00:09:29particular social group, the LGBT
00:09:31LGBT Q Group that is in here, whereas
00:09:34whereas Cameroonian law, the penal
00:09:36penal code. 347 sub one criminalises
00:09:42criminalises same sex relationships relationships with up to five years
00:09:45years imprisonment. And if we could
00:09:48could have members of this social social group in Cameroon, then it
00:09:52it means that Cameroon did not pre-screen
00:09:54pre-screen them or if they did, then then they knew or had reason to know
00:09:58know that these people were not supposed supposed to be here because their
00:10:02their own very laws were going to
00:10:04to persecute them elsewhere. The
00:10:07The Confederation of African Football Football Executive Committee is holding
00:10:10holding a meeting in the Egyptian Egyptian capital, Cairo. The officials
00:10:13officials could discuss Fifa's president, president, Gianni Infantino, apology
00:10:17apology for errors he made in controversial controversial plans to sell off stakes
00:10:21stakes in competitions to private private investors. Now, while Fifa's
00:10:24Fifa's top officials have offered offered him their support, some regional
00:10:28regional bodies like Uefa say they
00:10:30they still have no confidence in
00:10:32in Infantino. Here in Africa, football
00:10:35football officials from Malawi and and Uganda have said Fifa's investment
00:10:39investment has transformed the game game both on and off the pitch, arguing
00:10:42arguing the proposed funding is vital
00:10:44vital given the financial realities realities facing many African nations.
00:10:48nations. Now, earlier I spoke to
00:10:50to Sekou Patel, who is a former CAF CAF Vice President, and I started
00:10:54started by asking him what CAF is
00:10:56is likely to decide over Infantino's
00:10:59Infantino's presidency at their meeting.
00:11:01meeting. I think everyone is aware
00:11:03aware of the relationship between
00:11:06between CAF African federations rather
00:11:08rather than CAF and Infantino. They
00:11:10They are a solid foundation for his his presidency right from the beginning.
00:11:14beginning. The issue now is the resources
00:11:19resources that that Africa doesn't doesn't have and this is the grip
00:11:22grip that Infantino has had over
00:11:25over CAF in the past. So I can't can't expect them to come up with
00:11:29with any other decision. But to say
00:11:32say that they support Infantino going going forward. So Mr Patel, what
00:11:35what are you likely to expect as
00:11:38as the outcomes of this meeting?
00:11:41meeting? Well, as far as is concerned, concerned, they are going to continue
00:11:44continue supporting Infantino. They
00:11:47They have to and it's purely financial. financial. I would I prefer that
00:11:50that they would for once stand for
00:11:53for principles of African of football
00:11:56football basically because what has
00:11:58has happened here is that Infantino
00:12:00Infantino has bypassed every structure
00:12:03structure within football. It's been been created over years and years
00:12:06years to make a decision on his own.
00:12:10own. Primarily he's disrespected disrespected his own council. The
00:12:13The decision that has to be made
00:12:15made that or that he wanted to make make could have been him. Then he
00:12:19he went directly to the federations,
00:12:22federations, eliminating the council council in the process and the letter
00:12:26letter he wrote to all associations.
00:12:28associations. It's basically an inducement
00:12:33inducement financial inducement for for national association to support
00:12:37support him directly in return of
00:12:40of certain amount of money. Now,
00:12:41Now, if I was to do that a national
00:12:46national association pre-election pre-election saying I will give you
00:12:48you more money vote for me, I'll
00:12:52I'll be dragged along to the ethics
00:12:55ethics of Fifa. And I think this
00:12:57this is where it's gone wrong, that
00:13:00that if the idea is a good one, why
00:13:03why not discuss it in the council council where the representatives
00:13:07representatives of all national associations
00:13:08associations sit? The council is
00:13:11is appointed by CAF, is appointed
00:13:13appointed by Uefa and all the national
00:13:16national associations so that they they can discuss what's good for
00:13:19for football. Not one individual. I mean, you just talked
00:13:22talked about the ethics of Fifa. Fifa. So how does Infantino build
00:13:25build trust even after he issued
00:13:28issued an apology after he did away away with the stake sale proposal
00:13:32proposal that he had put in place place that brought about all this
00:13:35this divisions that we are seeing seeing within the association? Well,
00:13:38Well, look, football has never been been this low. Even when we worked
00:13:42worked with Mr Blatter and other other people, football has never
00:13:46never been so divided and you can't
00:13:49can't be president of an organisation
00:13:51organisation of 3 million people, people, which is divided. How do
00:13:55do you now get the confidence or
00:13:57or the sponsors of the footballers footballers themselves? Because it's
00:14:01it's akin to say let's play, we're we're playing football. You get a
00:14:05a red card and you tell the referee, referee, I'm sorry. That doesn't
00:14:07doesn't mean the red card is going going to go away. You have done something
00:14:11something wrong. Eventually there there has to be a price to pay for
00:14:14for it, not only in Fifa but in any any major corporation. This is what
00:14:18what would happen. So how does Infantino Infantino rebuild the trust? I mean
00:14:21mean you've just talked about some some of the issues that arose. But
00:14:25But now divisions are already there. there. He's yet to seek a fourth
00:14:28fourth term next year in March 2027.
00:14:302027. But how does he ensure that
00:14:33that there will be unity again, even even if it will be on a scale of
00:14:36of five out of ten or even six out
00:14:38out of ten. But that's not unity,
00:14:41unity, is it is a majority which
00:14:43which will then rule over the minority.
00:14:46minority. And here you might have
00:14:48have a situation where the minority
00:14:50minority who produces very little
00:14:52little in terms of wealth of football football dominating the ones who
00:14:56who really do produce the resources.
00:14:59resources. So that could create another another problem, not at Fifa level,
00:15:02level, but within the national associations
00:15:05associations and confederations themselves
00:15:08themselves but definitely we have have Uefa, for example, has been
00:15:12been very clear and I can't see them
00:15:15them ever going back on, on their
00:15:17their position. The other two associations
00:15:21associations also the confederations
00:15:24confederations Africa Europe Asia
00:15:27Asia and vulnerable in Concacaf they
00:15:31they all there are divisions there there also about this issue in their.
00:15:35their. You're watching focus on Africa, Africa, on BBC News and here's what's
00:15:38what's still to come on the programme.
00:15:41programme. Africa's richest man Aliko Aliko Dangote outlines his massive
00:15:44massive new oil project to power
00:15:46power the continent. We'll find out
00:15:49out more after the break.
00:17:27MUSIC
00:17:38Welcome back to Focus on Africa
00:17:40now Africa's richest man. Business
00:17:43Business leader Aliko Dangote has has told the BBC about his plans
00:17:46plans to build a new oil refinery refinery here in Kenya, which he
00:17:50he says will have a massive impact
00:17:52impact and help African countries countries become energy self-sufficient.
00:17:56self-sufficient. The new plant will will serve much of East Africa and
00:17:59and Mr Dangote said that work on
00:18:01on the site is due to begin by October
00:18:04October and should take less than
00:18:05than four years. Aliko Dangote spoke spoke to Nancy Kacungira near his
00:18:09his Lagos refinery in Nigeria, and
00:18:11and she started by asking him how
00:18:13how advanced the plans are for the
00:18:16the Kenyan refinery. The plans have
00:18:18have actually gone very far. We're
00:18:20We're with Kenya and because what
00:18:23what we are trying to do really is
00:18:24is to try and make sure that, you
00:18:27you know, most African countries
00:18:30countries we make them self-sufficient
00:18:33self-sufficient in their own, you
00:18:36you know, energy needs, energy needs
00:18:38needs fertiliser. And so going back
00:18:42back to your question, how far we've
00:18:43we've gone, we've gone very far.
00:18:46far. And I think by latest by October
00:18:51October we'll be doing groundbreaking
00:18:54groundbreaking once we break ground,
00:18:56ground, we will start the construction
00:18:59construction very soon. We are really really planning something very big
00:19:03big within the African continent continent and a lot of people say,
00:19:06say, well, does the refinery in East East Africa, does it make sense?
00:19:09sense? It makes a lot of sense because
00:19:11because the refinery is not only
00:19:14only for Kenya. That's why we are
00:19:16are calling it East African refinery,
00:19:19refinery, you know, so that can serve
00:19:22serve a lot of countries up to even even Egypt. How much do you expect
00:19:25expect the East African refinery refinery to cost? We thought it was
00:19:29was going to cost 17 billion, but but it's going to cost much. It will
00:19:31will cost less than that. We are
00:19:33are looking at about 15 and $16 billion.
00:19:36billion. Why will it cost less than than you originally anticipated?
00:19:40anticipated? Because this one will
00:19:42will be faster. So in terms of financing
00:19:44financing costs will be less. And
00:19:47And then also you know, we are wiser
00:19:52wiser as a company then that when
00:19:53when we built this one because we we are just learning when we built
00:19:57built the one here. So that is really
00:19:59really what is helping us. So in
00:20:02in terms of timing, we'll be able
00:20:04able to build in less than four years. years. So the location is decided.
00:20:08decided. What about the financing. financing. Are you looking at cash cash debt equity. Yeah, we're looking
00:20:11looking at. All that you know looking
00:20:14looking at equity and debt. So 30%
00:20:1830% is going to be equity and then
00:20:22then 70% will be debt. But we know
00:20:23know we don't have any problem raising
00:20:26raising the money. So what do you
00:20:28you see as the impact that this refinery refinery could have on energy security?
00:20:32security? It's just. To have a massive
00:20:34massive impact really. And then also
00:20:36also it guarantees the countries countries getting their own products
00:20:40products that are not going to live live hand to mouth. You know, this.
00:20:44this. And then, you know, the refinery refinery is there. It's for them.
00:20:47them. No more of that interview will
00:20:49will be shown on a new business programme
00:20:51programme on the BBC News channel
00:20:53channel in October. Elsewhere, Nigerian
00:20:56Nigerian Grammy nominee Yemi Alade
00:20:59Alade is an Afrobeats trailblazer, trailblazer, global powerhouse and
00:21:02and the first African woman to smash
00:21:05smash the 100 million YouTube views views milestone from collaborating
00:21:08collaborating with Beyonce to selling selling out global stages, she's
00:21:11she's now touring Africa with her her brand new music now Focus on
00:21:15on Africa podcast host Nkechi Ogbonna
00:21:17Ogbonna spoke to her about the hurdles hurdles women face in the music industry
00:21:21industry and the struggles of touring touring with an African passport.
00:21:25passport. There is an unwritten rule
00:21:27rule that we have to work double double the time, double the hours
00:21:31hours and put in double the effort
00:21:34effort to rise above all possible
00:21:38possible doubts. And these are rules rules that were not written anywhere.
00:21:41anywhere. It's just in the atmosphere, atmosphere, the the systems of the
00:21:45the world are structured in a way way that it limits the woman and
00:21:48and makes the woman to push herself
00:21:51herself beyond her own boundaries.
00:21:53boundaries. Just to prove one point.
00:21:56point. And then now you say, But
00:22:00But I'm doing it. And I think that that is the secret that even when
00:22:03when as a woman, you find yourself yourself in a world that seems to
00:22:06to be against you, you just have have to do it. How are you able to
00:22:10to stay relevant all these years?
00:22:12years? First of all, I've heard a
00:22:14a few fans say, you know what? This
00:22:16This is our new mama Africa. So if
00:22:18if you've taken up like the Mama
00:22:21Mama Africa persona. Is that how
00:22:23how you still stay relevant or it it goes beyond the names that fans
00:22:27fans have come up with? Oh, that
00:22:28that is an everyday job. And I feel
00:22:32feel like because my focus is not
00:22:33not just to stay relevant, it's just
00:22:36just to be me. So I'm just continuously
00:22:38continuously being myself. I'm a
00:22:40a creative at heart and creation
00:22:43creation is my actual job, right?
00:22:45right? And so I'm just doing me and
00:22:48and getting by. How is the identity
00:22:52identity of a passport a barrier
00:22:56barrier or an entry into. I know know I'm entering uncomfortable zones,
00:22:59zones, but yeah, how would you say
00:23:02say that is impacting people like
00:23:05like you and your ability to do what what you love to do, especially young
00:23:09young up and coming artists who may
00:23:11may not necessarily have that clout
00:23:14clout to break into certain markets. markets. I feel like the struggle
00:23:17struggle and stigma of the green green Nigerian passport has been
00:23:21been passed on from generation to to generation, and in my generation
00:23:24generation I also have to face the
00:23:27the bias that I did not have any
00:23:29any hand in. To be on a queue at
00:23:33at immigration with other Nationals Nationals and you see other Nationals
00:23:37Nationals going through immigration immigration easily until your green green passport comes up and then
00:23:41then the official sits up suddenly.
00:23:43suddenly. Now work has started, you you know, because you are coming
00:23:46coming with the Nigerian passport passport and they want to know why why you're here, what you're looking
00:23:50looking for, who's going to be there. there. And at some point they even even say you don't even look like
00:23:53like your picture. Go to the back. back. We need to do more examination. examination. Yes. Have you experienced
00:23:56experienced that? Oh, yes I have. have. Oh because I travel a lot.
00:23:59lot. They're like why did you land land in London today and you're going
00:24:02going to Paris tomorrow? I'm going going to come back to London tomorrow.
00:24:05tomorrow. You are up to something. something. Get the customs. Unfortunately Unfortunately for you, the customs
00:24:08customs is a fan of me so he knows knows that this girl is on tour.
00:24:11tour. What are you talking about?
00:24:13about? You know, but like the stigma
00:24:16stigma of just having an African African passport, specifically a
00:24:18a Nigerian passport, it precedes precedes itself. And I find myself
00:24:22myself fighting battles that I did
00:24:24did not start. Well, you can watch watch that full interview and the
00:24:28the BBC Africa YouTube page. Just
00:24:31Just search the conversation now. now. Uganda's parliament has approved
00:24:34approved a government backed motion motion authorising the deployment
00:24:38deployment of the country's troops troops to Gaza following an invitation
00:24:41invitation from the United States States under the Donald Trump Board
00:24:44Board of Peace Initiative. Now, the the approval marks Uganda's first
00:24:48first public indication that it is is willing to contribute troops to
00:24:52to the proposed International stabilisation
00:24:54stabilisation force for Gaza. In
00:24:56In July, Uganda's state owned newspaper
00:24:59newspaper reported that US President President Donald Trump had asked
00:25:02asked his Ugandan counterpart Yoweri Yoweri Museveni to provide military
00:25:06military support under the Board Board of Peace initiative, which
00:25:09which seeks to establish international international stabilisation force
00:25:12force to help maintain order in Gaza.
00:25:14Gaza. Presenting the motion to Parliament, Parliament, the country's Defence
00:25:18Defence Minister said the deployment deployment is consistent with the
00:25:21the UN Security Council's framework framework and follows diplomatic
00:25:25diplomatic engagements between Trump Trump and Museveni. He added that
00:25:28that Ugandan troops would operate
00:25:30operate in full compliance with international
00:25:33international law and humanitarian humanitarian standards. Well, that's that's a story that we'll be following
00:25:37following for you tomorrow here on
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