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00:00:00Forum. We'll continue watching that. that. Geeta Guru-Murthy will be with
00:00:02with you for the next few hours here
00:00:04here on BBC News. Do stay with. Us.
00:00:14Us. Live from London, this is BBC
00:00:16BBC News. Blackouts reported across across Ukraine as power plants were
00:00:20were attacked. Despite President President Trump's claims that an
00:00:23an energy ceasefire had been agreed, agreed, Saudi officials say one person
00:00:27person has been killed and nearly nearly a dozen others injured in
00:00:30in the latest attack on Riyadh's Riyadh's international airport by
00:00:33by the Iran-backed Houthi group in in Yemen, a BBC investigation finds.
00:00:37finds. The world's biggest accountancy accountancy firm helped in falsifying
00:00:40falsifying documents to hide Russian Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich's
00:00:44Abramovich's wealth and evade tax.
00:00:48tax. Big night planned.
00:00:53Night planned. And Robert Patterson tells the BBC why he took took on the role of a journalist journalist who helps expose child
00:00:57child predators in his new film Primetime.
00:01:08Primetime. Hello, I'm Geeta Guru-Murthy. Guru-Murthy. Thanks for being with with us. Ukraine says Russia has
00:01:12has continued carrying out deadly deadly attacks despite a so-called
00:01:15so-called energy ceasefire proposed proposed by President Trump. President
00:01:19President Zelensky said Russia hit hit power plants and civilian areas
00:01:22areas following the announcement. announcement. This footage shows shows damage from an industrial site
00:01:26site near Kyiv. Yesterday, President President Trump posted this, claiming claiming the two sides had agreed
00:01:30agreed to stop attacks on energy energy facilities effective immediately.
00:01:33immediately. But the Kremlin has has yet to comment. Mr Zelensky said
00:01:37said the announcement was news to to him, but that Ukraine would support
00:01:40support a ceasefire if Russia sticks sticks to the terms. Relations between
00:01:44between Mr Zelensky and Mr Trump Trump have deteriorated as the US
00:01:47US President tries to get the cost cost of oil and diesel down before
00:01:51before the US mid-term elections. elections. Dan Johnson reports from
00:01:54from Kyiv. On the edge of Kharkiv.
00:01:58Kharkiv. Last night. A reminder Russia
00:02:02Russia has not stopped attacking
00:02:06attacking Ukraine. This woman was
00:02:08was filming after the sirens. Asking
00:02:10Asking where would be hit? She was
00:02:13was lucky to survive a strike on on a shop that killed three people
00:02:17people and injured more than 20.
00:02:2120. This just hours after Donald
00:02:22Donald Trump announced his partial
00:02:25partial truce on Truth Social. He He wrote effective immediately, there
00:02:29there is an energy ceasefire in the
00:02:31the war between Russia and Ukraine.
00:02:33Ukraine. Both parties have agreed.
00:02:35agreed. Do not break it. Ukraine's
00:02:40Ukraine's been targeting Russian Russian oil refineries in response
00:02:42response to attacks on its own power power grid. Ukraine said it was ready
00:02:46ready to cease if Russia did the the same. But Donald Trump's announcement
00:02:50announcement appeared to come as
00:02:51as a surprise to President Zelensky.
00:02:55Zelensky. Ukraine is ready to refrain
00:02:57refrain from striking Russia's energy energy infrastructure, and we expect
00:03:01expect Russia to show the same readiness readiness and honour. The agreement
00:03:05agreement reached with the President President of the United States. He'd
00:03:09He'd better damn well stop. It was
00:03:11was a tense weekend of fractured fractured US Ukraine relations. I
00:03:15I suggest they get a new leader who
00:03:17who can make a deal. The row started
00:03:20started when Donald Trump lifted lifted export restrictions on Russian
00:03:23Russian diesel. Many believe to ease
00:03:25ease fuel prices driven up by the
00:03:28the war in Iran. In Kyiv, the streets
00:03:33streets have fallen dark and quiet
00:03:35quiet as its power network has been
00:03:37been pounded. Many people here are are without light, heat or water
00:03:41water because electricity is needed needed to pump it. Ukrainians were
00:03:44were braced for a very difficult difficult few months ahead into the
00:03:47the winter, so there's a lot riding riding on this ceasefire. But even
00:03:51even if it holds, the war is not
00:03:54not over. That was hammered home
00:03:58home with more drones heading for
00:04:00for the capital. And within two hours
00:04:05hours this was Kharkiv's main power power station, leaving Ukrainians
00:04:09Ukrainians questioning what impact impact this ceasefire will have.
00:04:12have. Dan Johnson, BBC News in Kyiv. Let us take you to Warsaw
00:04:18Kyiv. Let us take you to Warsaw because because the security forum is being being held there this week. And Donald
00:04:22Donald Tusk, the Polish Prime Minister, Minister, is speaking. Let's listen
00:04:24listen in. De-Escalation, seizing
00:04:26seizing fire or peace? They are only only interested in domination. This
00:04:30This is why I will go to Brussels
00:04:32Brussels to convince all my European
00:04:36European partners to consider seriously seriously increasing sanctions against
00:04:40against Russia. We must not. And
00:04:45And we will not send. And Poland
00:04:46Poland will. Guard that. We will
00:04:51will send no signal that would show
00:04:54show that Poland is leaning to this
00:05:01this policy of scaring Europe and
00:05:02and the West against supporting Ukraine.
00:05:07Ukraine. Ukraine will not be broken
00:05:09broken and will not yield to fear.
00:05:11fear. Poland will not be broken and and will not yield to fear. Europe.
00:05:15Europe. The entire free world will
00:05:18will not be broken and will not yield
00:05:20yield to fear. This signal should
00:05:22should be sent to the to all capitals
00:05:25capitals across the world from Warsaw Warsaw to Washington. Our answer.
00:05:29answer. I'm sure over the next months
00:05:32months will be full solidarity and
00:05:36and determination of the entire free
00:05:39free world of all European, of all
00:05:42all world leaders. Thank you very
00:05:45very much. Donald Tusk there. And
00:05:50And we will be bringing you more more on the security forum. We're
00:05:54We're expecting to hear from President
00:05:56President Zelensky also shortly.
00:06:00shortly. Let us to go to Ukraine.
00:06:03Ukraine. OK. Let's just actually actually go back to Warsaw. That
00:06:06That security forum ongoing after
00:06:08after a very fraught couple of days
00:06:11days between the US and Ukrainian Ukrainian leaders. Let us listen
00:06:15listen in there. Now as President
00:06:17President Zelensky is due to appear
00:06:19appear soon. The floor is yours.
00:06:27yours. Distinguished Prime. And join
00:06:34join us dear Katarzyna dear Zbigniew
00:06:41Zbigniew dear Kasha, our moderator
00:06:45moderator and all the participants participants of the forum. Dear ladies
00:06:49ladies and gentlemen, first of all
00:06:50all I want to thank you all for your
00:06:54your attention to Ukraine. Our people,
00:06:57people, for your support for Poland's
00:07:01Poland's support and for understanding
00:07:03understanding how much security matters,
00:07:05matters, especially now when we are
00:07:08are facing another wave of escalation
00:07:11escalation from Russia and when we
00:07:14we have real tools to reduce this
00:07:19this escalation. Yesterday we were
00:07:25were all horribly surprised that
00:07:27that after a sudden but very important
00:07:31important post from the American
00:07:33American President saying that he
00:07:35he had secured an energy ceasefire
00:07:38ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine,
00:07:41Ukraine, that at that very moment,
00:07:42moment, Russian jet powered drones
00:07:45drones were flying in our skies,
00:07:48skies, large parts of Kyiv had no
00:07:52no water supplies and electricity
00:07:56electricity and repair crews were
00:07:58were working to restore power after
00:08:01after a strike on a power plant and
00:08:06and immediately after the post, Russia
00:08:08Russia launched a targeted strike
00:08:10strike on a power plant in Kharkiv
00:08:15Kharkiv causing further damage to
00:08:18to our energy system. It was clear
00:08:21clear that Putin does not read true
00:08:27true social and his cheeky drones drones follow a different set of
00:08:31of instructions. But this post is
00:08:34is actually about something that
00:08:37that affects the lives of millions
00:08:39millions of people, and that makes
00:08:42makes it very, very important. First
00:08:45First of all, in Ukraine, because
00:08:46because Russia is trying to use another
00:08:49another winter, another period of
00:08:51of cold weather against our country,
00:08:54country, taking our power plants,
00:08:56plants, power grids and all parts
00:08:59parts of our energy infrastructure
00:09:02infrastructure every single day.
00:09:05day. But this also concerns Russia
00:09:10Russia and not only its oil refining
00:09:12refining industry. This those refineries
00:09:16refineries that Putin is so shamelessly
00:09:19shamelessly trying to sell to the
00:09:21the world at the solution claiming
00:09:24claiming they can somehow make up
00:09:27up for the losses in global oil supplies
00:09:30supplies caused by the crisis in
00:09:33in the Strait of Hormuz and across
00:09:35across the Middle East this winter.
00:09:38winter. If Russia does not agree
00:09:41agree to an energy ceasefire, we
00:09:44we will respond. So that is why yesterday
00:09:49yesterday the American president's
00:09:51president's post drew real interest
00:09:53interest and real hope that the energy
00:09:56energy ceasefire could actually work. work. We in Ukraine immediately supported
00:10:00supported this idea, as we did, by
00:10:02by the way, as we did more than once
00:10:05once for months when we ourselves
00:10:08ourselves put forward the idea of
00:10:10of the energy ceasefire, we agreed
00:10:12agreed to an energy cease fire. The
00:10:16The American team knows very well
00:10:18well what this means for us. We do
00:10:23do not have major or reserves large
00:10:27large oil export capacity or dozens
00:10:30dozens of oil refineries. We import
00:10:33import large amounts of diesel and
00:10:35and other oil products and I am grateful
00:10:38grateful to all our neighbours, especially
00:10:41especially Poland, for helping us
00:10:44us with our energy needs and also also Norway. Thank you so much. For
00:10:48For US, the key issue is electricity.
00:10:53electricity. Russia started its campaign
00:10:55campaign of strikes against our power
00:10:57power generation and power grid years
00:11:00years ago, and every winter, including
00:11:03including this one, Russians try
00:11:05try to make these attacks even more
00:11:08more intense. We have power cuts
00:11:12cuts every single day for Russia.
00:11:14Russia. Of course. Gasoline shortages
00:11:19shortages and burning oil refineries
00:11:22refineries because of our strikes strikes in response are painful.
00:11:26painful. And these are not the same
00:11:27same values. These are not the same
00:11:31same volumes that could be lost because because of the crisis in arm. But
00:11:35But if Russia wants us to stop our
00:11:39our long range strikes against its
00:11:41its oil refineries and oil exports,
00:11:44exports, then Russia must stop its
00:11:48its strikes against our energy system
00:11:52system and critical infrastructure
00:11:54infrastructure and stop killing our
00:11:56our people. This is only fair. And
00:12:00And I hear from leaders across Europe Europe and around the world that
00:12:04that they support us on this. In
00:12:09In Ukraine we have just one oil refinery
00:12:12refinery and it was badly damaged damaged by Russian strikes long,
00:12:16long, long ago. So importing oil
00:12:21oil products is simply our reality.
00:12:23reality. And that is why our offer
00:12:25offer is honest and clear. We are
00:12:27are ready to respect an energy ceasefire
00:12:30ceasefire if Russia is ready to do
00:12:32do the same. We agree if they agree
00:12:39agree and we have already shown that
00:12:41that we mean it. Last night Russian
00:12:46Russian oil refineries were not burning.
00:12:50burning. But at midnight Russian
00:12:52Russian jet struck a gas production
00:12:55production facility in Ukraine and
00:12:58and there was also a Russian strike
00:13:01strike on an ordinary gas station
00:13:04station involving several drones drones and repair crews are still
00:13:08still working to fix the damage from
00:13:11from yesterday's attacks. So there
00:13:15there were Russian violations of
00:13:17of the energy ceasefire announced
00:13:20announced by by President Trump and
00:13:23and all morning today, more and more
00:13:24more Russian jet powered ships have
00:13:27have continued to enter our skies
00:13:30skies over Kyiv and other Ukrainian
00:13:33Ukrainian cities. We shoot down many
00:13:35many of them. And if we didn't, that
00:13:40that would clearly be even more damage
00:13:42damage to our energy infrastructure.
00:13:44infrastructure. So for now this is
00:13:48is Putin's answer to Trump. Russian
00:13:51Russian attacks. But we are waiting.
00:13:55waiting. We are waiting for the details details of the conversation between
00:13:59between the Americans and the Russians, Russians, and we are waiting to see
00:14:02see what specific steps the Americans
00:14:04Americans are ready to take this
00:14:07this energy ceasefire can work and
00:14:09and it can become a major step toward
00:14:11toward ending the war. If the Americans
00:14:16Americans truly step in now and make
00:14:19make sure Russia respects the ceasefire
00:14:26ceasefire now, it is still the middle middle of the night in Washington.
00:14:29Washington. But we know that people
00:14:32people there wake up early and they
00:14:35they will immediately see what we
00:14:36we are seeing here. So let me say
00:14:39say once again, especially for them,
00:14:43them, we are grateful to America
00:14:46America and we support the idea of
00:14:48of an energy ceasefire. And now Russia
00:14:52Russia must must also show that it
00:14:56it agrees to this energy ceasefire.
00:14:58ceasefire. And if the Americans need
00:15:00need it, we are ready to sign these
00:15:04these guarantees to make sure they
00:15:07they can be trusted. And it's important
00:15:09important that we all see this situation
00:15:12situation in the same way that we
00:15:15we get the priorities right. No one
00:15:18one in Europe is the source of destabilisation
00:15:22destabilisation for war. No one in
00:15:24in Europe is rejecting peace or wants
00:15:27wants an endless war. No one in Europe
00:15:30Europe wants anything bad for America.
00:15:34America. Quite the opposite. Everyone
00:15:36Everyone wants the closest and friendliest
00:15:39friendliest possible relations with
00:15:42with America. Everyone. Everyone
00:15:45Everyone in Europe. But not Russia.
00:15:47Russia. By the way, when we started
00:15:50started responding to Russia's operation
00:15:54operation against our data centres
00:15:56centres and when our strikes reached
00:15:59reached Yandex data centres, it suddenly
00:16:03suddenly became a little easier to
00:16:05to breathe on many social media platforms.
00:16:09platforms. A lot of people and a
00:16:11a lot of people noticed it. And there
00:16:14there was less hate, less division
00:16:18division and fewer provocations because
00:16:21because there were fewer bots. And
00:16:25And it's pretty clear where those
00:16:28those boats were coming from and
00:16:31and if they disappeared when Yandex
00:16:33Yandex went offline. This proves
00:16:37proves again and again that Europe
00:16:38Europe is not the source of the problems.
00:16:41problems. Europe is not the one making
00:16:44making everything more difficult. difficult. Most importantly, we need
00:16:48need people in America every morning morning when the day in Europe is
00:16:52is already moving toward evening
00:16:55evening to really see what is happening,
00:16:58happening, to see the truth. We want
00:17:02want peace and we are ready to work
00:17:04work together with America and with
00:17:07with everyone else to end this war
00:17:08war and also to end the war in the
00:17:11the Middle East which is causing
00:17:13causing so many global problems,
00:17:16problems, including including problems
00:17:18problems with prices and to solve
00:17:21solve any other problem we face together.
00:17:23together. And we must deal with all
00:17:25all these challenges together, Europe,
00:17:28Europe, together with America. And
00:17:30And we need to feel that same unity
00:17:36unity from America. America is without without question the strongest country
00:17:39country in the world, and it's important
00:17:41important that America uses its strengths
00:17:44strengths to make the world a better
00:17:45better place. Dear friends, over
00:17:49over these past weeks we have been
00:17:52been in almost constant contact with
00:17:55with Donald. I mean, Prime Minister
00:17:58Minister Tusk. And we have also been
00:18:00been in touch with Jonas and our
00:18:05our other real, real friends and and partners. And we are preparing
00:18:09preparing joint steps and decisions decisions cause it's important that
00:18:13that we all speak with one voice.
00:18:16voice. Now we need American pressure
00:18:18pressure on Russia, not sanctions
00:18:21sanctions relief, not concessions, concessions, but real pressure so
00:18:25so that we can achieve at least what
00:18:28what the American President. Posted
00:18:30Posted about yesterday and an energy
00:18:33energy ceasefire. Please speak about
00:18:36about this. Make it clear that Ukraine Ukraine is ready for a ceasefire
00:18:39ceasefire and Russia must be ready
00:18:41ready to. Steps toward peace must
00:18:44must be exactly like this. Honest
00:18:47Honest with both sides doing the the same and helping millions of
00:18:51of people. Second, please stand with
00:18:54with Ukraine every single day. Right
00:18:55Right now we need your support every
00:18:59every day. Munitions for our F-16s
00:19:03F-16s that shoot down Russian jet
00:19:06jet power interceptors for our air
00:19:10air defence funding to produce our
00:19:12our own weapons and drones, political political support for Ukraine and
00:19:15and global pressure on Russia above
00:19:19above all through sanctions. And And I know that Poland and Norway
00:19:23Norway and the Baltic states and
00:19:24and other friends have a very firm,
00:19:27firm, firm position on this based
00:19:29based on a strong principles. And And this is important for Europe
00:19:33Europe as a whole. Sure, this will
00:19:36will be a very active week in Europe
00:19:39Europe and we will have our meetings
00:19:41meetings and you will have your decisions
00:19:44decisions at the EU level. And here
00:19:47here is what matters. Please do not
00:19:50not allow any pauses in Ukraine's Ukraine's European integration. We
00:19:54We are expecting to open two classes
00:19:57classes in our EU accession negotiations
00:20:00negotiations and we must open two two more by the end of this year.
00:20:03year. This is not just about politics.
00:20:05politics. It's also in many ways
00:20:08ways about moral, about motivation.
00:20:11motivation. Our people need to feel
00:20:14feel that despite all the difficulties,
00:20:17difficulties, Ukraine's European
00:20:19European future is health and we
00:20:21we are ready to work on all the difficult
00:20:25difficult issues. But we must remember
00:20:27remember that the biggest challenge
00:20:29challenge for all of us is Russia
00:20:33Russia and it is Ukraine that is
00:20:36is giving the strongest response
00:20:39response to this challenge and it
00:20:42it is our co-operation between Ukraine
00:20:44Ukraine and all of you that gives
00:20:48gives Ukrainians the greatest support
00:20:50support and motivation. Please do
00:20:52do not allow any pauses in this work
00:20:58work force. Please do not underestimate
00:21:01underestimate the threats to your
00:21:04your own countries. There is no such
00:21:06such thing as a small act of destabilisation.
00:21:10destabilisation. Our intelligence intelligence services know that Russia
00:21:13Russia is planning many, many aggressive
00:21:16aggressive hybrid operations against
00:21:18against Europe against different different countries, against your
00:21:22your countries. Paying attention
00:21:27attention to every situation that
00:21:28that could become a problem and stay
00:21:32stay united in your defence. Unity Unity at home is always important
00:21:36important when facing threats from
00:21:39from outside. Fifth place. Be sure
00:21:42sure that Ukraine is always ready
00:21:44ready to stand shoulder to shoulder
00:21:47shoulder with you and we always welcome
00:21:49welcome joint projects with Poland
00:21:52Poland and we need shared achievements achievements and real results together.
00:21:56together. And we need joint production
00:21:59production and the best way to move
00:22:03move forward is through a drone deal
00:22:08deal between our countries and other other similar agreements that make
00:22:11make both Ukraine and Poland stronger.
00:22:15stronger. Our experience in defending defending against threats and our
00:22:19our technological progress can help
00:22:21help strengthen your security and
00:22:24and your capabilities can help strengthen
00:22:26strengthen ours. The most important
00:22:29important thing is that we stay together
00:22:34together and that we make sure. Let
00:22:37Let us just bring in Dan who's been
00:22:40been watching this, our correspondent correspondent in Kyiv as President
00:22:43President Zelensky issues a very
00:22:45very firm and clear set of statements.
00:22:47statements. Dan, clearly directed directed at the US on this question
00:22:51question of an energy ceasefire, ceasefire, saying there to the world
00:22:55world and to the US leadership that that Ukraine wants an energy ceasefire,
00:22:59ceasefire, it is willing to sign sign an agreement, but Russia has
00:23:02has to agree to. Yeah. Zelensky reiterating
00:23:08reiterating that Ukraine will sign sign up to this, that it will abide
00:23:11abide by it, but making clear that that Russia needs to do the same.
00:23:14same. And he needs to see that evidence evidence from Russia. And he laid
00:23:17laid bare the level of attacks that that had continued in the initial
00:23:21initial hours of this cease fire, fire, having been announced by Donald
00:23:24Donald Trump. Zelensky said that that Putin clearly does not read
00:23:28read Truth Social and that his Shaheed
00:23:30Shaheed drones were following different different instructions, so there
00:23:34there scepticism there. There is is doubt, but there is hope that
00:23:37that this can deliver. I think Zelensky Zelensky wants to present himself
00:23:41himself as the pragmatist, the honest honest broker here. And although
00:23:44although this started with a row row about how Donald Trump was apparently
00:23:48apparently favouring the Russians Russians and Vladimir Putin and making
00:23:51making deals and moves that were
00:23:53were to Russia's benefit, Zelensky
00:23:55Zelensky sees a possible favourable favourable outcome for Ukraine in
00:23:59in this. On the first hand, getting
00:24:01getting an energy ceasefire which which would protect the electricity
00:24:04electricity network of this country country and enable Ukrainians to
00:24:07to get through this winter without without the level of discomfort that
00:24:10that he laid bare. They'd suffered suffered increasingly over the last
00:24:13last few years. As this war has gone
00:24:15gone on, but also that if that energy
00:24:18energy cease can be implemented and and holds that some trust may be
00:24:21be built and that there may potentially potentially be possible steps towards
00:24:25towards further de-escalation and
00:24:26and even ending the conflict. So
00:24:30So a lot of confusion, a lot still
00:24:32still to play out. Still no word
00:24:34word directly from the Kremlin, but but President Zelensky making clear
00:24:37clear there that he hopes this is is a positive step. And we'll just
00:24:40just keep an eye down as you speak
00:24:41speak on that Warsaw security forum
00:24:45forum as President Zelensky has been been addressing it, likely to take
00:24:48take questions to you shortly. You're You're there on the ground in Kyiv.
00:24:52Kyiv. Just tell us what the extent
00:24:53extent of the damage has been and and how is it affecting, you know,
00:24:57know, normal everyday life for people
00:25:00people there. In terms of the energy
00:25:05energy infrastructure, the electricity electricity network, it's had a quite
00:25:09quite severe impact for people in in Kyiv and in other cities already
00:25:13already before the temperatures even even dropped, before we're even really
00:25:16really into winter, people were already
00:25:18already experiencing scheduled power power outages to try to preserve
00:25:21preserve electricity. So for 3 or or 4 hours a day, some people have
00:25:25have been without electricity for for the past week. They've been in in darkness. They've been without
00:25:28without heat. It also means large large numbers of people have been
00:25:31been without water because they rely
00:25:33rely on power to pump the water to
00:25:35to the top of apartment blocks. So So people were already suffering
00:25:39suffering at home and out in the the streets as well. There are dark
00:25:43dark streets at night with very little
00:25:45little light. There are transport transport disruptions because the
00:25:48the metro trains have stopped. The The escalators don't run. The trolley
00:25:51trolley buses have ground to a halt
00:25:53halt in the street. So very early early on in this autumn, people were
00:25:57were already witnessing just what
00:25:59what the impact of Russia's energy energy attacks could be, and they
00:26:03they were braced for more of that that through the winter. Dan Johnson Johnson in Kyiv, thanks very much
00:26:07much indeed for bringing us up to to date there. As President Zelensky
00:26:10Zelensky continues his address. This
00:26:13This is BBC News. Let us go back
00:26:20back to that Warsaw security forum forum and listen to President Zelensky
00:26:24Zelensky there, who I gather is still still speaking. And we can see then
00:26:27then in your screens I might be taking
00:26:28taking questions. Changing the Constitution
00:26:32Constitution to. Reach the elections
00:26:35elections very quickly. As of now,
00:26:38now, it's very difficult because because of the security level in
00:26:42in our cities and villages and communities.
00:26:44communities. And it's also impossible impossible now because of our military.
00:26:47military. More than a million people
00:26:52people who must vote. But how will will they vote while being on the
00:26:55the front? And we've discussed this
00:26:58this on many occasions together with
00:27:00with our American partners. But if
00:27:05if the American President has such
00:27:07such a strong desire and after all,
00:27:10all, he. Has made a deal with the
00:27:14the Russians, he lifted sanctions
00:27:17sanctions on them. Then he can influence
00:27:19influence the leader of the Kremlin Kremlin to have a full cease fire.
00:27:23fire. And if we have at least a 60 60 day full ceasefire, then I'll
00:27:27I'll be ready to work on holding
00:27:29holding elections. On the ceasefire.
00:27:31ceasefire. You mentioned that President President Putin doesn't read true
00:27:35true social. Everyone else does.
00:27:37does. Were you caught out by this
00:27:39this energy ceasefire? Did you know
00:27:41know about it beforehand? No, we
00:27:51we did not know about that. We've
00:27:54We've learned that from the media media as well. That the President
00:27:58President of the United States has
00:28:02has secured an energy ceasefire. ceasefire. I thought perhaps their
00:28:05their team reached out to the Russians.
00:28:07Russians. I think they are in constant
00:28:13constant contact in a certain format.
00:28:16format. So the format on how they
00:28:19they can arrange such a ceasefire ceasefire with the Russians is unimportant
00:28:22unimportant for us. For US, it's it's important that people have electricity
00:28:25electricity supply. That power is
00:28:29is there, that water supply is functioning.
00:28:32functioning. That is our main objective.
00:28:34objective. So we do support it. But
00:28:37But I have not heard approval of
00:28:41of this proposal from the Russian Russian side. And this looks strange
00:28:45strange and I have not heard their
00:28:47their rhetorics about this. We have
00:28:50have not seen that they support this
00:28:52this cease fire anywhere. But we
00:28:55we have not witnessed that in their their deeds as well because they
00:28:58they have hit a number of our energy
00:29:00energy facilities. But we hope that
00:29:05that President Trump, who has our our support of this energy ceasefire,
00:29:08ceasefire, that he will be able to
00:29:10to make Putin agree to this proposal.
00:29:14proposal. Can you have a US President President who supports an energy
00:29:17energy ceasefire, who supports Ukraine Ukraine but also does a deal with
00:29:21with the Kremlin to get diesel? Once
00:29:32Once again, I reiterate that. I think
00:29:38think that these arrangements they
00:29:40they are not right. I do not think
00:29:43think that the volumes that Russia
00:29:44Russia is to offer that it will have
00:29:47have an influence on the market.
00:29:49market. What we've heard was 300
00:29:54300 to 500,000 tonnes a month. Think
00:29:58Think of that while the global consumption
00:30:01consumption is 120 million a month
00:30:04month I don't think that this will will have a tangible impact if somebody
00:30:07somebody thinks otherwise, let them
00:30:09them think so. So I believe that
00:30:12that there are different rationales
00:30:14rationales behind this decision.
00:30:17decision. If so, why? Why doesn't doesn't America then conclude a diesel
00:30:21diesel deal with Ukraine? Ukraine.
00:30:24Ukraine. Let's propose a diesel deal
00:30:27deal with Ukraine. We are influencing
00:30:29influencing whether these ships are
00:30:32are moving. We are. We define whether
00:30:34whether the refineries are working.
00:30:37working. Let's do this for us. What's What's important is electricity.
00:30:41electricity. If they can guarantee guarantee the protection of our energy
00:30:44energy grid, we will not respond respond to their diesel infrastructure.
00:30:47infrastructure. For US, electricity electricity means first and foremost
00:30:50foremost helping people power supply
00:30:52supply for people. But it's also
00:30:55also helping Europe because everybody
00:30:58everybody knows that we are