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00:00:00that we need to look at, and that's that's the long range strikes. And And we talked about this a little
00:00:04little bit this morning. And President President Zelensky mentioned this,
00:00:07this, you know, the continued attacks attacks on energy infrastructure infrastructure that are intended
00:00:11intended to make it hard on the civilian civilian population and try to break
00:00:14break the will of the Ukrainian people. people. That's going to make for
00:00:17for a very hard winter. I will also also say it's probably not going
00:00:21going to work if we have you know, know, people have underestimated underestimated the Ukrainians since
00:00:24since the beginning of this conflict. conflict. I'm not going to make that that mistake again. They're going
00:00:27going to get through this winter. winter. They're going to come out
00:00:30out of it with more resolve and more more fight. Ultimately, I hope that
00:00:33that we can I hope that we can end
00:00:36end this conflict and achieve a lasting
00:00:39lasting peace. But if we can't, I I know the Ukrainians are going to
00:00:42to continue to fight. You and Nato
00:00:50Nato have, of course, been observing observing what's happening in Ukraine
00:00:54Ukraine for the last five years. years. How would the theory of different
00:00:57different of victory differ were
00:00:59were it not for this conflict? What What have you learned based on what
00:01:03what you're seeing on the battlefield? battlefield? And of course, beyond?
00:01:07beyond? Because this is a war on on all different fronts, including
00:01:09including the cyber and the info info space war? Sure. You know, I
00:01:13I think a affordable mass is one one of the areas that would be a a little bit different. We would
00:01:17would learn some of that from the the Middle East, but not nearly as as much as we see in Ukraine with
00:01:21with a large number of drones, both both short range and longer range.
00:01:24range. Those will be a feature of of the modern battlefield electronic
00:01:27electronic warfare on the modern modern battlefield is also a feature feature that we have to account for.
00:01:31for. You know, if you go into the the details of the theory of victory
00:01:34victory and think about what our our brigades and our battalions need
00:01:37need to be able to do what our air air power needs to do. You'll see
00:01:40see a lot of those capabilities start start to be hung on the, you know,
00:01:43know, as ornaments on the tree, if if you will, that that bring this
00:01:45this to life and make it not just just a theory, but something that that we can practice. And so that
00:01:49that that work is ongoing. We're We're learning a tonne from our Ukrainian
00:01:52Ukrainian partners. They are willing willing to work with us and help
00:01:55help make us better. And that's a
00:01:56a huge advantage that we have. And
00:02:01And regarding our European partners,
00:02:03partners, you said that we see now
00:02:05now not only non-kinetic but really
00:02:07really kinetic attacks on Nato member
00:02:11member states, on European member member states of Nato. How do you
00:02:14you think we should be responding responding to this today? So whenever
00:02:17whenever we talk about the types types of attacks that are ongoing
00:02:21ongoing right now, a couple of things things that I highlight. The first
00:02:24first is whenever the nation that's that's come under attack is ready
00:02:27ready and has met their legal requirements requirements to attribute the attack,
00:02:30attack, we ought to do that. That That lets the Russians know a that
00:02:33that we're onto them. It lets them them know that their network wasn't wasn't as unattributable as they
00:02:37they thought it was. They think they they can get away with this because because we won't be able to figure
00:02:40figure out who it is. We ought to to tell them. We can figure out who who it is. The second thing that
00:02:44that I mentioned is one of the main main objectives is to break the West's
00:02:48West's will to continue flowing support support to Ukraine. So one of the
00:02:51the best responses is to prove that that false to them. And when they
00:02:55they come in, when one of these attack attack happens, respond by increasing
00:02:58increasing your contributions to to the Perl programme or respond
00:03:01respond with a donation of air defence defence interceptors and show that
00:03:04that the Russian premise for their their activity is false and you're
00:03:07you're only strengthening our resolve. resolve. The second thing that I'd
00:03:10I'd say very quickly is co-ordination
00:03:13co-ordination across allies as we we contemplate how we might respond respond to this, what our messaging
00:03:16messaging looks like. This is essential essential to ensure that we give
00:03:19give the Russians a coherent response response rather than something that
00:03:23that is ad hoc and not co-ordinated.
00:03:26co-ordinated. And that could be confusing confusing with different voices coming coming from different nations. So
00:03:29So it's important that allies continue continue to consult. Think about about how we might respond and make
00:03:33make sure that we message clearly clearly and concisely to the Russians
00:03:36Russians where our red lines are. are. Well, I'll tell you what worries
00:03:39worries me. When you were talking
00:03:42talking about the capabilities we we have. Wow. Just wow. Of course,
00:03:45course, in this room we were having having in the back of our mind that
00:03:49that the adversary is Russia. And
00:03:50And with everything we have as Nato,
00:03:53Nato, it is overwhelming, no doubt doubt about that. But what worries worries me and many people in this
00:03:57this room is actually the political political factor. The people who
00:04:00who make the decisions, the people people who will make the decision
00:04:03decision that hard orders that you'll you'll have to make, but most importantly, importantly, the politicians who
00:04:06who will tell you to do these orders
00:04:09orders that they at some point might
00:04:12might blink. At some point they will will say, but this is not our war.
00:04:16war. We don't want to be part of
00:04:18of this war. That article five is
00:04:20is going to fail. Is that at all
00:04:22all something that keeps you up at
00:04:24at night? It doesn't. And I'll reference
00:04:28reference the Ankara declaration declaration from the summit in Ankara.
00:04:31Ankara. All 32 allies signed on to to an extremely strong declaration
00:04:34declaration that talked about the the ironclad commitment to article article five. And I take our leaders
00:04:38leaders of state and government at at their word. I was in the room
00:04:41room watching the leaders talk as as several of the. The folks in this
00:04:44this room were as well. And you know, know, when President Trump came out
00:04:47out and said, I think he used the the term, there was a lot of love
00:04:50love in the room. I just tell everyone everyone I was in the room and I
00:04:53I felt the love. It was there. This
00:04:55This great mutual respect for the the direction that the President
00:04:58President had pushed the alliance, alliance, the wake-up call that he'd
00:05:01he'd issued. And no one's arguing arguing about whether Europe needs
00:05:04needs to do more or whether we need
00:05:06need to do Nato 3.0. Now we're talking talking about how do we do it? We're
00:05:10We're in the implementation phase phase and that is driving stronger stronger and more United Alliance
00:05:14Alliance than I've seen in a long, long, long time. OK, not a hard one.
00:05:17one. A few people ask me this in
00:05:20in this room if there is an attack
00:05:22attack and we have this, you know,
00:05:25know, forces making sure that this this attack is stopped. Well, among
00:05:29among the ground forces, the American
00:05:31American troops. Look, we have American
00:05:35American troops here in Poland today. today. We have American troops that
00:05:37that are arrayed across the eastern eastern flank. You know, ultimately
00:05:41ultimately it's a political decision decision about who's providing troops troops where. But I think no one
00:05:45one should question the commitment commitment of the United States to
00:05:47to this alliance. I mean, I'm right right here. I'm an American officer
00:05:51officer that was sent here by President President Trump, nominated to the
00:05:53the US Senate. Thank you for your your vote, senators. And nominated
00:05:57nominated to the North Atlantic Council Council for the role that I'm in.
00:06:00in. That was all done by President President Trump. That's a commitment
00:06:03commitment to the alliance. And I I think that that is not just me
00:06:07me as fearful as I am. Minister. Minister. There's a lot more that
00:06:11that comes with that. When America America makes that commitment. So
00:06:14So what does keep you up at night?
00:06:16night? There has to be something.
00:06:19something. I like to answer this
00:06:21this like a former leader in the
00:06:23the United States used to say, and and that is nothing actually keeps
00:06:27keeps me up at night. My job is to
00:06:29to keep other people up at night.
00:06:33night. I want your job. And to conclude,
00:06:43conclude, general, what is the message
00:06:45message you want to leave when you
00:06:48you leave Warsaw? What do you think
00:06:50think is the key message for this this audience for the Polish population?
00:06:54population? And of course, to our our adversaries? Well, I'll tell
00:06:57tell you to the Polish population, population, what I would say is keep
00:07:00keep doing what you're doing. You're You're here on the eastern flank. flank. You're an incredibly important
00:07:03important ally and you're showing showing your commitment to article article three of the North Atlantic
00:07:07Atlantic Treaty and investing in in your own defence. And you're making making the alliance much, much stronger
00:07:11stronger as you do so to the broader broader community across this continent.
00:07:15continent. The European part of the the alliance and to audiences in
00:07:18in North America. I mean, unity is
00:07:20is our strength and we are more unified, unified, more together on this journey
00:07:24journey that we are than we've than than we've been before. And I think think that's absolutely incredible.
00:07:28incredible. And then the last thing thing I'll just go back to what I
00:07:31I said, we do have this. We should
00:07:33should be confident in our abilities abilities and our capabilities to
00:07:36to handle not just the current environment environment that we're facing, but
00:07:39but any potential threat to our alliance alliance territory or people. We
00:07:43We absolutely have this under control, control, and you should be confident confident in that. General, thank
00:07:46thank you for being with us and thank thank you for finding your the time
00:07:50time to announce this theory here
00:07:52here in Warsaw. We really appreciate
00:07:54appreciate it. That is General Alexis
00:08:05Alexis in conversation with Kateryna Kateryna Pisarska, Polish social
00:08:09social entrepreneur and international international security expert, speaking
00:08:12speaking there at the Warsaw Security Security Forum. Let me just briefly
00:08:16briefly sum up what he said. He presented
00:08:18presented Nato's theory of victory.
00:08:20victory. Remember, he is one of Nato's
00:08:23Nato's top commanders and he said said this theory of victory is a
00:08:27a vision of how Nato wins in deterrence
00:08:30deterrence and defence. He said it it was a clear eyed view of threats
00:08:33threats we face based on modern warfare
00:08:36warfare in Ukraine and in the Middle
00:08:38Middle East. And he said I assure
00:08:41assure the 1 billion citizens of of our alliance we got this. And
00:08:44And he said that a couple of times times talking about, of course, Poland's
00:08:48Poland's position on the eastern eastern flank of Nato. It borders
00:08:51borders Ukraine. And some questions
00:08:54questions on Russia there put to
00:08:58to him in that conversation. And
00:09:00And with me is BBC Monitoring's chief chief analyst Vitaly Shevchenko.
00:09:03Shevchenko. Vitaly, good to have
00:09:04have you with us to talk about this
00:09:07this and about energy security as as well and energy ceasefire. But
00:09:10But just first of all, to what we we heard there in Warsaw, what did
00:09:14did you make of what General Grynkewich
00:09:18Grynkewich had to say, particularly particularly in terms of how Nato
00:09:22Nato deals with Russia? He spent
00:09:25spent a lot of time begging up Nato's
00:09:29Nato's capabilities and clearly he
00:09:30he was trying to send out the message
00:09:34message that, you know, we mean it,
00:09:35it, we're serious and we are capable.
00:09:39capable. However, my view is that
00:09:42that there's one point where Russia's
00:09:45Russia's and Nato's interests coincide.
00:09:48coincide. And that point lies in
00:09:51in the aspiration that these huge
00:09:54huge capabilities that Nato has are
00:09:57are never actually used. Russia is
00:10:00is quite well. I think they know
00:10:03know that they will stand very little
00:10:06little chance of defeating this alliance, alliance, especially now that Russia
00:10:10Russia is bogged down in Ukraine
00:10:13Ukraine for Nato going to war, hot
00:10:17hot war with Russia is going to be
00:10:21be a costly decision in more ways
00:10:23ways than one, not just money, but
00:10:27but very, very likely deaths of its
00:10:30its soldiers. So this is clearly clearly what they want to avoid.
00:10:34avoid. So no surprise that the general general described his theory of victory
00:10:37victory as a vision. First of all, all, of deterrence and then defence.
00:10:41defence. And yet you say that both
00:10:43both Russia and Nato want to avoid
00:10:45avoid boots on the ground. That sort sort of situation. But I suppose
00:10:49suppose one of the big questions questions for European leaders who've
00:10:52who've talked a lot about hybrid hybrid threats from Russia is how
00:10:54how far Nato is prepared to go in in terms of dealing with those hybrid
00:10:57hybrid threats. And one big question question that occurred to me as I
00:11:01I was listening to the general Vitali,
00:11:04Vitali, is to what extent does Nato's
00:11:06Nato's military plans, Nato's military
00:11:09military strategy chime with how how far the United States, which
00:11:13which of course has Nato's biggest
00:11:15biggest army, is prepared to engage engage in this strategy? Well, exactly.
00:11:18exactly. I found it notable that that the general used the phrase
00:11:22phrase and I quote that the Alliance
00:11:25Alliance will want to deny the ability
00:11:27ability to seize and hold our territory.
00:11:30territory. And as we will know, it's it's not just about the actual territory
00:11:34territory these days. It's about
00:11:36about undermining the very fabric
00:11:38fabric that holds democracies together.
00:11:41together. So people listening to
00:11:43to his speech would only hope that
00:11:46that the alliance has plans to defeat
00:11:50defeat the enemy's plans to undermine undermine their democracies. When
00:11:54When it comes to how committed Washington
00:11:58Washington is these days to the alliance
00:12:00alliance he sought to assuage those
00:12:03those concerns that it's not by saying
00:12:05saying that nobody should question
00:12:07question that commitment, but the
00:12:09the past history, recent history history of relations between the
00:12:13the alliance and Donald Trump. I I think it justifies those questions.
00:12:17questions. Let's talk a bit about
00:12:20about then the energy ceasefire, ceasefire, the surprise energy ceasefire
00:12:23ceasefire announced by President President Trump at the weekend. Earlier
00:12:26Earlier in Warsaw, President Zelensky Zelensky was speaking. He appeared
00:12:29appeared to throw down the gauntlet gauntlet effectively to Russia, saying,
00:12:33saying, you know, Ukraine will sign sign up to this. Russia needs to.
00:12:36to. And if it doesn't, America needs needs to deal with that. That seemed
00:12:39seemed to be the underlying thread thread in what he was saying. What
00:12:42What response has there been from
00:12:44from the Kremlin? Vitaly non-committal.
00:12:47non-committal. It's very important
00:12:49important to note that neither Russia
00:12:52Russia nor Ukraine have actually actually said that this ceasefire
00:12:56ceasefire is is happening. The Kremlin Kremlin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov,
00:13:00Peskov, was asked about the alleged
00:13:03alleged ceasefire this morning, and
00:13:05and he said that and I quote context context continue. And if we have
00:13:09have anything to say on the subject,
00:13:11subject, we will. Which again raises
00:13:14raises doubts in my mind that this
00:13:15this is actually going ahead. And
00:13:19And also it's worth remembering that
00:13:21that the past four and a half years
00:13:23years in fact, more than a decade
00:13:26decade of this conflict between Russia
00:13:27Russia and Ukraine is littered with
00:13:30with failed ceasefires, ceasefires ceasefires that failed even before
00:13:34before they started. So personally,
00:13:37personally, I have a huge doubts
00:13:38doubts that this will result in any
00:13:42any decrease in attacks in Ukraine
00:13:44Ukraine on energy or anything else else at all. Yeah. We've got about
00:13:47about a minute left on this conversation,
00:13:52conversation, Vitaly, in terms of of this energy ceasefire, do you
00:13:55you think Russia will feel compelled
00:13:58compelled to do anything more so
00:14:00so long as this diesel deal between
00:14:02between the US and Russia stays in
00:14:05in place? I don't think so. It's
00:14:08It's not crucial to Putin that this
00:14:13this amount of diesel gets delivered delivered or sold at all. He will
00:14:17will still have buyers from China
00:14:19China and India. And we have to remember
00:14:23remember that Russia was not exporting
00:14:25exporting any diesel to begin with.
00:14:27with. It banned diesel exports because
00:14:29because it wants it itself. So from
00:14:32from the point of view of the Kremlin,
00:14:34Kremlin, I think it's political rather
00:14:38rather than economic signalling that
00:14:41that Putin is back in from the cold.
00:14:44cold. He's not isolated and getting getting an extra cash as well. That
00:14:47That helps too. OK. Vitaly Shevchenko, Shevchenko, editor for BBC Monitoring
00:14:51Monitoring thank you very much for for your thoughts on those developments
00:14:54developments today. And in just a a moment, we'll be getting the view
00:14:57view from the US on all of this. this. So do stay with us around the
00:15:00the world and across the UK.
00:16:04people. For the latest, follow us us on the President's path here on
00:16:07on BBC News. OK, let's pick up on
00:16:13on what we were talking about a moment
00:16:15moment ago. And look now at Donald Donald Trump's energy cease fire
00:16:18fire deal and ask how that is playing playing out in the United States.
00:16:22States. Just about three weeks away away from the US mid-term elections
00:16:26elections on the 3rd of November. November. And joining us is Sri US
00:16:29US politics reporter for The Guardian. Guardian. Sri. Good to have you with
00:16:32with us. Much to talk about here here today. First of all I'm curious
00:16:35curious to know what the reaction
00:16:38reaction is from Republicans specifically specifically to all of this because,
00:16:41because, you know, looking at this this over the last 24 hours or so,
00:16:45so, there seems to have been quite
00:16:47quite a lot of a feeling of President
00:16:50President Trump not perhaps dealing dealing as fairly with Ukraine as
00:16:53as he might do on this issue. Yeah,
00:16:57Yeah, exactly. There's been a real
00:17:00real pushback from Republicans on
00:17:01on Capitol Hill in a way that is
00:17:04is unusual in this Congress. Seven Seven senators on the Foreign Relations
00:17:08Relations Committee have issued a a statement condemning the President's
00:17:12President's move to lift these sanctions sanctions on Russia. Russian, Russian
00:17:15Russian oil imports. And three of
00:17:17of those are Republicans, three Republicans Republicans on that committee. And
00:17:20And their real issue here is that
00:17:22that they feel that this move essentially essentially violates the law. If
00:17:25If you remember in 2022, the Senate
00:17:28Senate unanimously passed a bill
00:17:31bill to sort of pause Russian oil oil imports to the US and there's
00:17:34there's been no move to scrap that
00:17:36that law. So the Republicans on this this committee as well have said
00:17:39said that there is a concern here here that this is in violation of
00:17:43of that. And Democrats have been
00:17:45been pretty resolute with their frustration. frustration. Chuck Schumer, the Senate
00:17:49Senate minority leader, called it
00:17:50it a deal with the devil. And they
00:17:54they sort of sounded the alarm here
00:17:56here about what problem this could could be moving forward, both in
00:17:59in terms of the US support for Ukraine Ukraine and sort of diplomacy at
00:18:03at large. Yeah. With the mid-terms, mid-terms, three weeks, three weeks
00:18:07weeks away, what is the President's President's goal with all of this?
00:18:09this? Does he think that US voters voters are going to buy into the
00:18:13the optics of this, the optics, the
00:18:14the suggestion that this could somehow somehow bring down diesel prices
00:18:18prices in the US., which most analysts
00:18:20analysts are saying will not happen. happen. Yes, there is a real hope
00:18:23hope here that this is going to ease ease the burden that many US consumers
00:18:27consumers are facing, particularly particularly at the price at the
00:18:29the pump moving into November, which
00:18:32which is a huge political liability liability for the President right
00:18:35right now and his party having to to answer for a lot of his unpopular
00:18:39unpopular policies. And the real real question here, as you mentioned, mentioned, is whether it's going
00:18:42going to make a dent. The number
00:18:46number of oil barrels and diesel
00:18:49diesel barrels that would be imported imported essentially immediately.
00:18:52immediately. And in November is only only a fraction of what diesel the
00:18:56the amount of diesel that US consumers
00:18:59consumers use per day and the amount amount of time it's going to take
00:19:02take to get here. Plus possible possible possible litigation about it. It
00:19:06It could mean that this isn't going
00:19:07going to have a remotely an impact
00:19:10impact moving forward into November. November. And with the Democrats
00:19:14Democrats hoping certainly having having ambitions to emerge from the
00:19:17the mid-terms in control of both
00:19:20both houses of Congress, what are are Democrat politicians saying about
00:19:24about all of this? They're being being pretty clear that this is a
00:19:28a flouting the law. But also this
00:19:31this is essentially something that that is politically optimal for the
00:19:35the President. But also doubling doubling down on the fact that the
00:19:38the crisis here when it comes to to price at the pump, is a problem
00:19:42problem of the President's own making. making. They are pointing to the
00:19:44the fact that we've seen this huge
00:19:46huge spike in oil prices ever since
00:19:49since the war in Iran. And this is is in many ways a distraction from
00:19:53from that. And, you know, a problem
00:19:55problem that the President is trying trying to have to, to solve with
00:19:59with another issue now, possibly possibly on the world stage. OK.
00:20:02OK. Thank you very much for joining
00:20:04joining us on BBC News. Thank you. you. And let's get some more now
00:20:08now on the implications of that so-called so-called theory of victory set out
00:20:12out by the Nato Supreme Allied commander. commander. Speaking to the BBC Security
00:20:15Security Brief programme, the generals generals Deputy Air Chief Marshal
00:20:19Marshal Sir Johnny Stringer said
00:20:20said the strategy would aim to streamline
00:20:23streamline operations across land, land, sea, air, space and cyber in
00:20:26in order to outthink and outact Nato's
00:20:29Nato's adversaries. The concept that
00:20:33that the title of Theory of Victory Victory goes goes back in military
00:20:36military thinking many, many decades.
00:20:38decades. It kind of set out the main
00:20:41main tenets of how a commander would
00:20:43would see him using his forces, most
00:20:48most obviously for General Grynkewich Grynkewich in the defensive alliance
00:20:52alliance that is Nato in the deterrent
00:20:54deterrent sense. But make no mistake,
00:20:56mistake, if we had to fight any adversary,
00:20:59adversary, we fight to win and we we fight to restore deterrence. So
00:21:03So the tenets of a theory of victory victory and what I think you will
00:21:06will see my boss having set out is
00:21:10is integrating effects across what what we would call the domains. So
00:21:14So the traditional of air, land and
00:21:18and maritime, but increasingly important
00:21:20important of course, space and cyber
00:21:22cyber almost to underpin all. So
00:21:24So Johnny, I want to I want to hit
00:21:27hit the drone threat question on on the nose. We know that we know
00:21:30know that Russia is capable of putting putting 1500 drones into Ukraine
00:21:34Ukraine in a 24 hour period. If that that same number of drones came over
00:21:38over the border tonight into Nato
00:21:42Nato territory, could Nato stop them?
00:21:45them? And if they can, with what?
00:21:47what? So I think your question goes
00:21:50goes to two points, if I may. The
00:21:53The first obviously on uncrewed systems
00:21:55systems and maybe we'll return to to that which is a truism across
00:21:58across all domains and has been apparent
00:22:01apparent for at least 20 years, even
00:22:04even if the scale has differed to to the particular question on air
00:22:08air defence. And it comes back to to what I said about that period
00:22:11period of peace. We were able to to think of the employment of, in
00:22:15in this case most obviously fighter
00:22:17fighter jets in the role of air policing.
00:22:19policing. It almost had that constabulary
00:22:23constabulary comfortable feel about about it. What Ukraine sadly has
00:22:27has shown is. And Russian aggression
00:22:30aggression is that actually we need
00:22:31need to re adopt an air defence mindset.
00:22:35mindset. So to your point, one of of the things that you are already
00:22:39already seeing is how we are re posturing
00:22:41posturing the forces that we've got
00:22:44got bringing in new systems to augment
00:22:46augment them because we've got to
00:22:48to recognise that a threat that people people would have been comfortable
00:22:51comfortable with even maybe five
00:22:53five years ago in terms of the capability
00:22:56capability that adversary had and
00:22:58and all the scale at which they could
00:23:01could employ it now ranges down to to incredibly cheap drones at one
00:23:04one end of the spectrum to ballistic ballistic missiles at the other,
00:23:08other, and pretty much to all points
00:23:09points in between. So there's been
00:23:12been significant work that's gone
00:23:14gone on in my part of Nato and allied
00:23:16allied command operations to bring
00:23:18bring forces in all of the domains
00:23:21domains back to those five warfighting
00:23:24warfighting domains that Nato recognises recognises to make sure that the
00:23:27the capability we put up is as strong
00:23:30strong as it can be. And remember, remember, tomorrow is going to be
00:23:33be better than today. So this doesn't
00:23:36doesn't stop that thinking applied
00:23:37applied to bringing in capability capability to the operational concepts
00:23:41concepts to make sure that we can can meet and beat any threat that
00:23:45that comes at us. And there's more
00:23:47more of that interview on the BBC
00:23:49BBC News YouTube channel. And a reminder
00:23:51reminder the security brief is going
00:23:54going live in front of a studio audience audience tonight. You can watch that
00:23:56that here on BBC News, BBC iPlayer iPlayer and the BBC News YouTube
00:24:00YouTube channel. Today at 7:30pm
00:24:047:30pm UK time. Christian Fraser Fraser and Mikey Kay will be taking taking you inside the war in Ukraine
00:24:07Ukraine with live analysis and a
00:24:11a panel of guests. And here the Prime Prime Minister, Andy Burnham, has
00:24:15has said that Russia interfered with with the Brexit referendum and warned
00:24:18warned that similar activities were were taking place in France and Germany.
00:24:22Germany. The Prime Minister told told the Rest Is Politics podcast
00:24:25podcast that upon arriving in number number ten, he had asked about possible
00:24:29possible Russian interference in in the 2016 vote, adding I've had
00:24:33had the clear answer that yes there there was. Mr Burnham didn't provide
00:24:36provide further details about the
00:24:38the type or extent of Moscow's activity
00:24:41activity during the Brexit referendum. referendum. Now I want to take you
00:24:44you to another story. The continuing continuing protests in India. Let's
00:24:48Let's show you these live pictures
00:24:50pictures coming to us from Delhi
00:24:53Delhi because protesters and police
00:24:55police out on the streets in their
00:24:57their thousands again today. Congress
00:25:00Congress MP Rahul Gandhi among those
00:25:04those marching to the Supreme Court
00:25:05Court in Delhi to demand the resignation
00:25:08resignation of the chief election election officer over alleged voter
00:25:11voter fraud. They say that millions
00:25:14millions of names have been removed
00:25:18removed from the voter register, register, and they allege that that
00:25:21that is to benefit Narendra Modi's
00:25:24Modi's BJP party. Now there were
00:25:28were protests on this same issue issue by the Cockroach Janta Party
00:25:31Party over the weekend. Thousands Thousands of demonstrators and one
00:25:34one of its leaders arrested or detained
00:25:38detained and subsequently released.
00:25:40released. But this protest movement movement really showing no signs
00:25:44signs of abating here in India. A
00:25:46A few months ago it was about education.
00:25:48education. The issue now at stake
00:25:52stake is the elections in India and
00:25:54and the opposition parties alleging
00:25:56alleging voter fraud. The chief Justice
00:25:59Justice declined a meeting with opposition
00:26:01opposition lawmakers, citing, quote, quote, certain reasons but not providing
00:26:05providing what they were. Stay with
00:26:06with us here on BBC News.
00:29:45MUSIC
00:30:11Live from London. This is BBC
00:30:13News. In a warning to Russia, Nato's Nato's top military commander says
00:30:17says the alliance would block blunt
00:30:19blunt and break any attack on its
00:30:21its members as fears grow over the
00:30:23the threat from Moscow. Meantime, Meantime, Ukraine's President Volodymyr
00:30:27Volodymyr Zelensky says Russia hit hit a power plant in Ukraine immediately
00:30:30immediately after Donald Trump announced announced what he called an energy
00:30:34energy ceasefire. It was clear that
00:30:37that Putin does not read Truth Social
00:30:42Social and his cheeky drones follow
00:30:43follow a different set of instructions.
00:30:47instructions. Saudi officials say say one person has been killed and
00:30:50and nearly a dozen others injured injured in the latest attack on Riyadh's
00:30:54Riyadh's international airport by by the Iran backed Houthi group in
00:30:57in Yemen. Thousands of people march march in