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00:00:01also put on the table that that name I didn't like it, it made me feel uncomfortable,
00:00:04it made me feel bad.
00:00:07And well, when I took that name and it was Paula, it was like this
00:00:10is me. There it stayed. Well, in my
00:00:14case, when I was younger, I was 5 years old when I started
00:00:18school. My first, my first teacher was named
00:00:21Solange. She was
00:00:24blonde, so she was like my inspiration. From then on, I said I was
00:00:28going to be called Solange. This
00:00:30in my games, which were never children's games but rather a girl's games, I
00:00:34would put on a yellow towel that looked like blonde
00:00:37hair, heels, a tunic for the teacher, and I would call myself Solange. From then on,
00:00:42I feel, as a girl, therefore I'm going to I kept growing and I kept being Solange, saying that my name was Solange, that I was going to be called Solange.
00:00:46And when I was 16 years old,
00:00:50I confronted my family and told them that I was going to be a
00:00:53trans woman, that that was going to be
00:00:56my name. And well, from
00:01:00then on, in reality, from the age of 5, I knew it clearly,
00:01:02it was going to be in the groups of classmates and
00:01:06children. Already as a child, I used to say I was Solange. That's how it was, and
00:01:10I am Solange. When I changed my name, I put
00:01:13Genesis. This is so
00:01:17that from childhood, from the age of 5, my
00:01:21first school teacher was my inspiration for the
00:01:25name.
00:01:36feminism, and what My name is Elías, I'm
00:01:3923 years old, I'm from Montevideo, I was born here in
00:01:44you have a job because you have to survive because you Montevideo. Well, I'm a trans person, a trans man. I started my transition 4
00:01:48years ago, not emotionally, emotionally much
00:01:52longer, since childhood,
00:01:53approximately.
00:02:04I take male hormones to be able to feel comfortable in my body.
00:02:07It's been 2 years since I was able to change my name and
00:02:11identity. I had surgery a year
00:02:14ago, the issue of removing my breasts to feel much more
00:02:17comfortable with myself. I never
00:02:20had, I never suffered discrimination,
00:02:25to what people suffer it. I didn't have those
00:02:28problems, fortunately I have... I had a job
00:02:31opportunity, I was able to study without any
00:02:34inconvenience. Well, I had my inconveniences but it was never
00:02:37a problem that made me feel
00:02:41this, with lip bad about myself. So, well, personally, I was
00:02:54I'm not studying at the moment and well, I would tell people
00:02:58who are in the same situation as me that they should never
00:03:03I am very happy with the changes that have happened through let anyone intimidate them or stop
00:03:06being who they are because of what others say, and that they should be themselves, which
00:03:09is clearly the key to being happy.
00:03:21hello
00:03:28I'm Paula Moreno, I live in Yes, it happened to me that I had to clarify to a sale, "Look, I'm a man, you can call me that because I
00:03:32see it coming that they're going to call me before the name change by the other
00:03:35name." And it happened to me that I'm standing there
00:03:39waiting for them to take my blood, they come and call me by the female
00:03:42name, and my blood pressure drops, I
00:03:46die of embarrassment, it's a terrible feeling because the name is like that,
00:03:49right? Like in the educational system, for example, that thing about the hegemonic
00:03:53power of the teacher often saying, "I'm going to call you what's on the
00:03:57list." Well, but I don't feel that way. In high school, in my final
00:04:00year, since it was a small
00:04:04town, everyone already knew me as Solange, and they called me Solange. Here there's always a
00:04:08my family got the image of teacher who well, it happened to me with one that I remember, she was
00:04:11I was studying my final year of law in
00:04:15Chuy High School, and she was a teacher who taught law, precisely. So
00:04:18when the teacher arrived, in the first class, I explained, "I am a trans woman.
00:04:22If you don't want to call me by the name everyone knows me by,
00:04:26which is Solange, then call me by my last name. There's
00:04:29no problem." So I told her, and she said, "I have to
00:04:33call you," she says, "and I have to call you by the name on your
00:04:36document, your document." So I said, "Well,
00:04:40if you call me by the name on that document in front of everyone
00:04:43as a mockery, because I also
00:04:46and clean them and put talc on them always had character, I'll put that folder on your head." That's what I
00:04:49told her, "Because you're not going to disrespect
00:04:52I know all those me." I told her, "You don't like me, I'm Solange, and I'm probably
00:04:57in many cases in more woman than you." That was her answer to the teacher. We ended up
00:05:00in the principal's office, of course, the principal knew me, she knew who I
00:05:03presented my situation to, all upset because we immediately get upset,
00:05:07and and I said no, and well
00:05:10she said no.
00:05:43Well, it was
00:05:47a journey
00:05:48with many ups and
00:05:51downs. At the beginning,
00:05:54it was a whole revolution
00:05:57in my family, in the
00:06:01neighborhood, in my city,
00:06:04in the study center I attended.
00:06:08It was a whole big whirlwind.
00:06:15But well, I went through difficult
00:06:18things, I went through very difficult
00:06:22things for the age I was, I was 14 years
00:06:25old,
00:06:28and well, with
00:06:32the support of my family
00:06:35and me trying to make some things
00:06:38understood, and with a lot of patience from them.
00:06:41I
00:06:44went through that path as best
00:06:47I could, and
00:06:51well, becoming Morena
00:06:54took a lot of work,
00:06:57a lot of sacrifice,
00:07:00dedication,
00:07:02and
00:07:05a lot of discipline too. I'm a person
00:07:08who, well, who tries to take care of myself, I try
00:07:11to do the best I can,
00:07:13and
00:07:17well, that path is what has
00:07:20brought me here.
00:07:236 PM, 13 degrees, and we welcome you to Mirá
00:07:27Montevideo. Good afternoon, More, how are you? Good afternoon, Noe, very well, and you? Very
00:07:30well, happy to be here with you another day. For me too, and
00:07:34let's see what's coming this weekend. Recognize me
00:07:38as trans. Don't
00:07:41call me that woman. That for me is not a
00:07:44compliment. No, if you say it as a
00:07:47compliment, you are totally wrong. Yes,
00:07:50yes, oh, for me it's not a compliment. It happened to me, "Oh, you look like a man."
00:07:54Seriously? And it's like, "What is a man, seriously?
00:07:58I am a man." Even if I was born in another body, even if I identified in another
00:08:02way years later, it doesn't mean I'm less of a man than a man. Yes,
00:08:05that, that happens a lot, that they say, I think that's the process we each have when we
00:08:09accept ourselves, of not recognizing. I
00:08:12am trans, I like being trans, I want to be trans. I
00:08:16don't fight to be a woman. Exactly, exactly. So it's
00:08:19like that, what she says, when you already recognize yourself and accept
00:08:23yourself, then
00:08:25you see it from another perspective.
00:08:41Las Piedras, Canelones. I'm an activist, I'm a trans
00:08:44girl, I'm the first transgender DJ in
00:08:48Uruguay. I have a clothing
00:08:52business, it's a textile business where we employ
00:08:55trans women. Look carefully in the
00:08:58middle.
00:09:05I work in a health center for a few years now. I'm an
00:09:08ex-sex worker, and
00:09:10I work to promote the rights of trans
00:09:13people.
00:09:21Being an activist changed me
00:09:24a lot. It's who I am. The
00:09:28struggle is what motivates me, and well.
00:09:49How do you feel when there's a debate, for example, in the feminist movement, in
00:09:52certain groups that say
00:09:55that feminism is only for cisgender women?
00:09:58How do you feel? They laugh,
00:10:01saying, "What a shitty topic," to lie. In reality,
00:10:05my laugh sounds ironic, but for
00:10:08me, feminism is
00:10:10inclusive. Yes, feminism is to protect,
00:10:14to support all our companions.
00:10:17There's a sector of feminism, because it's important to clarify it's a
00:10:20sector that discriminates against us, that
00:10:24...slowly, saying that we are not
00:10:27women because biologically we have a penis.
00:10:31So, me. I'm represented by a feminism that is
00:10:35inclusive, that supports companions, that supports struggles from
00:10:38an intersectional
00:10:41place. No, this,
00:10:44for me, feminism is that. It's
00:10:47all women, dissidences, together, and
00:10:51I don't think there's any other feminism. The...
00:10:55the other is like
00:10:57another feminism. No, we feel like there's also
00:11:00a group that seeks to break
00:11:04with this, no, with this struggle, to distort
00:11:08a little bit what the feminist struggle of us women is.
00:11:12So, even from
00:11:15feminism,
00:11:18from inclusive feminism, from real,
00:11:22true feminism, there's an attempt
00:11:25not to call these
00:11:29radical people feminists, no, but they have
00:11:32a lot of, they have strength, and it's reaching
00:11:35Uruguay, and we always say it won't reach Uruguay, and
00:11:39it ends up reaching, and it seemed like it wouldn't, but you saw what
00:11:42happened in Spain with the comprehensive law for trans people, I mean,
00:11:46this group of women, no,
00:11:50it made it so that it wasn't voted on, that it wasn't approved,
00:11:53no, in Spain. So they're doing a lot of harm,
00:11:57and feminism, at least I understand
00:12:01I've learned from my feminist
00:12:05teachers is that feminism is a
00:12:08life position, a philosophical position
00:12:12from which you look at everything, oh,
00:12:15so this thing about to be a feminist you have to have
00:12:18a vagina, no my love, we
00:12:21build ourselves as feminists,
00:12:24you, him, her, them, we
00:12:27build ourselves as feminists, just like that thing about if you're a man you
00:12:31can't be a feminist, for me that's nonsense,
00:12:34it's a philosophy, it's a
00:12:37position from which you see everything,
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00:14:40the family always realizes when we are, what happens is they're kind of waiting if
00:14:43we say it or I mean,
00:14:47let's see what happens, but they realize we're different. In my case,
00:14:51there were six, six, six sons and two daughters, and they realized
00:14:55that I, among the six sons, didn't fit in, I had nothing to do with the rest of my siblings, not in
00:14:59my activities, nor in my behavior, nor in what I did,
00:15:02nor how I played, nothing. But they always remain
00:15:05waiting to see if someone takes the first step and says it. At 16
00:15:08years old, already in my adolescence, I
00:15:12felt that I didn't want to live a wrong life. When I say a wrong
00:15:15life, it's about pretending something I wasn't,
00:15:19dressing like something I didn't feel, which is the biggest problem for me,
00:15:23because I felt like Solange, I was Solange, so no, I didn't identify with how
00:15:26I dressed. So, well, I remember that my family is a large
00:15:30family, as I told you. My mom was building a
00:15:33wall because my house was always the one my mom would bring home, even my dad. Building our
00:15:37house, and well, the long table, and in my house it was customary
00:15:40for the heads of the family, mom and dad, to sit at the head of the table, and then the others. So,
00:15:44well, I waited and told them I wanted to talk to them,
00:15:48that I had something to tell them at
00:15:51lunch, and
00:15:54and I told my mom that, well, in reality, I was Solange,
00:15:58I told them off camera what my name was, that it
00:16:01was not dad, that I told him I didn't identify with that
00:16:05name, that in reality I identified with Solange, that I was not
00:16:09him but her, and that well, from then on, I was going to be a
00:16:13trans woman. My mom asked me what that was because people in the countryside
00:16:16didn't know what trans was. I told her, "Well, I'm going to live as
00:16:20dress as a woman, look here,
00:16:23I'm going to behave as a woman." And
00:16:27I told her that if they accepted me, fine, if not, they would lose a
00:16:30son and miss out on knowing a daughter, because I wasn't going to be unhappy for them
00:16:34to be happy. I
00:16:36remember telling her, "I'll cross the street and leave, and you won't see me again, but I'm going to
00:16:40live my life according to how I feel." My parents' response, he
00:16:43talked to him off camera,
00:16:46I think this is very important when we have support. My mom, who
00:16:50was always the head of the house, dad did what mom said,
00:16:54said, "What hope? I didn't have to leave, if someone didn't
00:16:57like my change and my decision, they should leave, but not
00:17:01me." It's like something strange because when parents
00:17:04called someone by that name their whole life, from that day on,
00:17:08my mom, my dad, and my siblings never
00:17:12called me by the name I had before. It was Solange,
00:17:15Sol, because they call me Sol, and it was like an automatic
00:17:18thing, and it was very good for me because then I had to face other
00:17:22things, like high school already dressed as a girl,
00:17:25society in a small town, I mean,
00:17:29but since I had the support of my family, the truth is it was
00:17:32much easier for me.
00:17:35The delay in processing the Peña case had
00:17:38not so much to do with anything
00:17:41special about the Peña case, but rather it was the way the
00:17:45state processed. My name is Genesis Solange,
00:17:49eh, I am a law student, I am in my third year at the Law
00:17:52School of the University of the Republic,
00:17:55eh, I am the secretary of the Trans Collective of Uruguay (CTU),
00:17:59in which I am dedicated
00:18:02is changes, helping with name changes for trans women and
00:18:06trans men. And well, we are working in
00:18:09reality, contributing from our place, from my place,
00:18:13what we can for others.
00:18:25That's a photo of me when I lived in Madrid, I lived many years in
00:18:28Europe, 10 years, I worked as
00:18:31a model in
00:18:34Spain, as a trans woman that I am.
00:18:40the law, I am very happy to have returned to my country after many
00:18:44years of living in Europe, and well, I think it is a way of
00:18:48giving back, that it is from our place where
00:18:51we can contribute something, help society.
00:21:01family always knew that I was different.
00:21:05It was never really talked about because,
00:21:09well, we're talking about the 70s, so there was nothing.
00:21:12Coming to Montevideo, the connection with Montevideo was like
00:21:16we came by train and all that.
00:21:20This, and well, and at some point, when
00:21:23we were already, I came to Montevideo to study. In
00:21:27reality, I'm always going to confess something, no,
00:21:30in reality I've said it at some point, I actually came to Montevideo to
00:21:34study to be a priest. I
00:21:37came, yes, laugh, please, I beg
00:21:39you. I made a strong
00:21:43statement. I came to the seminary, the
00:21:46Salesian seminary, in reality. That
00:21:50from now on is like, well, I want to leave this place and I want to lock
00:21:54myself up and I want to isolate myself,
00:21:58because I am the different person, and well, then there's obviously
00:22:02I was expelled from the seminary, there was an abuse there
00:22:06within the seminary, and they ended up
00:22:08expelling me. This,
00:22:11because, well, I was the culprit, supposedly.
00:22:15And well, there
00:22:17my family had already come, and I told them, "Well, I
00:22:21at that time I didn't
00:22:23feel like myself, but I didn't have
00:22:26another model than the gay model, no,
00:22:30like the era of the more 80s
00:22:33era, no, when Freddy
00:22:37Mercury and all this stuff came out, so it was like my model, well,
00:22:41I want to be that. And well, and
00:22:43after that, eh, it was in Arcoiris
00:22:47that I started to meet trans companions,
00:22:50who were like, wow, how divine, how
00:22:53impressive, that's possible, impressive those very tall women
00:22:57with beautiful heels, with breasts, I don't know,
00:23:01I'm talking about Katy,
00:23:04Doriana, Taiana, all those people,
00:23:07no, who went and all dressed divinely,
00:23:11spectacular, with some, I want to be
00:23:13that. And well, that's
00:23:16when, well, it was just the time I entered there.
00:23:20I feminized
00:23:22myself a lot there. That's when I also tell this, no, that
00:23:26I entered, I went to Elipa, made up, very
00:23:28softly,
00:23:31gloss, all
00:23:33this. And the teacher told me, "So you're not going to be here."
00:23:37So then I said,
00:23:41"Well, let's see, I have two options: I stop
00:23:45and engage in sex work,
00:23:48or I cross- dress, that is, I dress as a man,
00:23:52I study." And
00:23:54honestly,
00:23:57I don't have the temperament for sex work. I admire
00:24:01the companions who engage in sex work because it's a very
00:24:05violent place, you have to be very strong, you go
00:24:08through many things, and
00:24:11no, no, no, I am
00:24:14dumb, no. So I said, "Well, okay, I
00:24:17also want to study," and I said, "Well, that's what I
00:24:21call my transvestite era." There, in that
00:24:24middle, I told my family about this
00:24:28issue, that, well, I don't want to be, I
00:24:31don't want to be, I am,
00:24:35I see myself, and I see myself
00:24:37as a woman, no? So at that time,
00:24:41no one talked about trans people, they were
00:24:44transvestites, right?
00:24:47So, clearly, my family,
00:24:50immediately, at that moment we lived here in La Comercial, we were four
00:24:54blocks from the boulevard, immediately
00:24:58the sex worker companions, no?
00:25:01So, well, there was a lot of resistance, yes, because people
00:25:05also, I mean, when you said trans, it automatically associated that trans with
00:25:09prostitution, there was nothing else. A little later, the mind
00:25:12opened up when Florencia de la V came along, she was like
00:25:15a, this, when the TV shows started and people started to see and
00:25:19she said, "Well, they can do other things," but unfortunately, before,
00:25:23you said trans, people said prostitution. Even now, I think this
00:25:26still happens because people have that concept of trans
00:25:29people, which is like transvestite
00:25:32prostitution, prostitution, HIV. It's like an
00:25:36equation.
00:25:39drugs, everything else, it's an equation that is
00:25:43made, it's an expulsion that starts
00:25:47the family, no? Of course,
00:25:51generally the first, the first factor of violence that trans people experience is in
00:25:54our homes, with our parents, with our siblings. In my
00:25:58case, I started my transition in Buenos Aires. I must have been
00:26:01seven or eight years old, and I already realized
00:26:05that what my parents were imposing on me, which was to play
00:26:08soccer, wear masculine clothes, I didn't feel
00:26:11identified, I suffered a lot
00:26:14from this. But I affirmed myself when I came to Uruguay. When I came to
00:26:17Uruguay, I met this person who was like my
00:26:20referent, she was an older trans girl
00:26:23who worked on the street, well, and when
00:26:26I started to strengthen my identity, that's when the family
00:26:29consequences began, that my siblings started to
00:26:32violently abuse me,
00:26:36and well, all that you start to experience inside your house, and I had to leave my house because
00:26:39obviously it was constant violence because not only do they discriminate
00:26:43against you for being trans, but also the neighborhood discriminates against your
00:26:46family, I mean, it's like it's a shame,
00:26:49you bring shame to your house. Exactly, exactly.
00:26:53The two spaces that should be more
00:26:55friendly, which are family and
00:26:59education, are the most violent, and they still
00:27:02are today, 2021, I mean, we're not talking
00:27:06about the 80s, Paula
00:27:09is like 40 years younger than
00:27:11me, no, let's say,
00:27:15friend,
00:27:17this. But I mean, she also experienced it, no?
00:27:20That is, and today, 2021, the companions, the comrades are still
00:27:24experiencing it. So imagine that
00:27:28suddenly you have people who are 13, 14 years
00:27:31old who are expelled from their family, and those people are not
00:27:34going to continue studying. That also, that's the consequences
00:27:38that it brings, no, because for example, you leave at an early age from your homes, from your
00:27:41home, you go straight to prostitution because you have no other choice because you don't
00:27:47have to manage somehow, yes, wherever you end up
00:27:50also, wherever you end up, of course, it's not that they exploit
00:27:53you later because those who exploit you, who arrived at their
00:27:57house as young girls and charge you for everything and make you work
00:28:01for them because generally the girls from the interior, and well, you who came from
00:28:04abroad, when you end up in someone's house, well, yes, mommy, you have
00:28:08to work, I'll give you this other thing, they charged you double, of course, I
00:28:12feel that it's an important problem because you're exposed to extreme
00:28:16violence in those spaces, right? Like human trafficking,
00:28:19problematic drug use, being alone, because in
00:28:22reality, if you leave your home, your own family excludes you for
00:28:26being "different," I say that in quotes, right? Because you have a gender
00:28:30identity that is not what your family
00:28:32or society expects. You have to leave those spaces
00:28:35or repress yourself, right?
00:28:40clear that I wanted to be happy. I wanted to be happy being myself, which has also been
00:28:44very difficult because this concept of happiness
00:28:47that we have is actually quite
00:28:50complex, right? Because we are not completely happy because to this day
00:28:54we continue fighting for inclusion, we continue fighting for work,
00:28:58and well, and I think that...
00:29:03it helped me a lot at this point of well, either I'm
00:29:06happy or I'm happy because I have no other choice.
00:29:09So, nothing, I see it from that
00:29:12perspective, eh, and I also regret a lot that many colleagues,
00:29:1589% of trans women,
00:29:18it's the only means of survival they have because they don't have access to
00:29:21anything, really, they don't have access to a good job, they are
00:29:25discriminated against, they are violated, this
00:29:28so well, it's sad
00:29:31also for me, at least I see it that way, I was a sex worker for a long
00:29:35time until I realized that it wasn't the place I wanted
00:29:39to be. I started fighting, I started
00:29:41studying, working, looking, knocking on those doors, eh, and
00:29:45well, there I went, I was changing this
00:29:48reality, right? Because also, we have to set goals and we have to believe
00:29:52that one can also change their own reality and be able
00:29:56to help other colleagues change this
00:29:59sad reality that we people have, that's why I said today that in my case
00:30:02I value this so much in the family, let's say, that it
00:30:06matters that it was a town where I was formed, this, I had a mother who
00:30:10was a warrior, this, who came out to defend me more than once,
00:30:13the importance of when girls have family
00:30:17support, which today I see because I dedicate myself to name changes,
00:30:21I help my colleagues and I value so much when those
00:30:24mothers call me and tell me that their daughter or son is
00:30:285 years old, 7 years old, 8 years old and they are already
00:30:32moving and fighting to make the change of name and gender adaptation of their
00:30:35son, of their daughter and
00:30:38I say how good if this had happened before for so many colleagues,
00:30:55my name is Colette Spinetti, I am
00:30:58an activist.