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00:00:00we have the people, that's why I said today that in my case I value this so much
00:00:03in the family, let's say that
00:00:06despite the fact that it was a town where I grew up, I had a mother who
00:00:10was a warrior, who came out to defend me more than once,
00:00:13the importance of when girls have family
00:00:17support, which today I see that I dedicate myself to helping my colleagues with name
00:00:21changes, and I value it so much when mothers
00:00:24call me and tell me that their daughter or son
00:00:27is 5 years old,
00:00:30tremendous problem in the bodies 7 years old, 8 years old, and they are already moving and fighting to make the name and gender change
00:00:34of their son or daughter, and
00:00:38I say how good, if this had happened before to so many colleagues,
00:00:52know
00:00:55my name is Collette Spinetti,
00:00:58I am an activist, a social activist
00:01:02for the rights of trans people, transfeminist,
00:01:06and at this moment
00:01:09for three days, I direct CTU, which is the trans collective of Uruguay
00:01:13and I am part of national and regional organizations.
00:01:30I am a literature professor, I work in public
00:01:34secondary education, I am a dance teacher,
00:01:37I work at the Sodre,
00:01:40I was born in the interior, in Paso de los Toros, I am
00:01:44from Isabelina, I came to Montevideo very young to study.
00:02:05as I was telling you a little while ago, Colette, for example, whom I love
00:02:09very much, she is a great
00:02:12example for me and others also,
00:02:16like Cris Mirót, I identified a lot with Cris Miróu
00:02:19from Argentina,
00:02:22although of course I didn't get to
00:02:25see her, I saw her in
00:02:29videos and on YouTube and those things
00:02:32when I was older, but well, I didn't see her much on
00:02:36television and
00:02:3914 presents in the truth is that what I saw on television was something I didn't like,
00:02:42all that constant mockery,
00:02:46and no, it's not just that, no, no, it's not that I don't
00:02:49like mockery, it's that you don't like mockery
00:02:53when the person doesn't defend themselves, no, when the person
00:02:57keeps playing the game
00:03:00without defending themselves, without
00:03:03saying anything, without raising their voice and
00:03:07saying, well, but I am
00:03:10like this and it's fine,
00:03:13as if to be on TV you had to lend yourself to that and not
00:03:17defend yourself, clear, clear, and that, that part I didn't like,
00:03:21go attend that they hit you, they hit with fallacies against you, they hit you and
00:03:24you can't say anything, it seemed like something I didn't
00:03:28want for my life, that I didn't want... to do I didn't want to do that, or
00:03:32one thinks of those videos of Cris Miró, of
00:03:35Florencia de la B, the inappropriate questions were also like the mockery
00:03:39or the out-of-place
00:03:42question, yes, and with Cris Miró, that happened to me, that I saw
00:03:45how she responded, it was with such
00:03:49dignity and a way of responding
00:03:53that the truth is that it gave a few slaps
00:03:56and well, I loved that.
00:04:01Yes, you thought that you were going to end up working in front of the
00:04:05camera, that you were going to be part of
00:04:08that?
00:04:11taking the pulse of the city, with I always liked it, it always attracted me a lot, I didn't know how
00:04:15it was going to be, for a long time I thought
00:04:18it was going to be through art and that is something
00:04:22that will surely happen at some point, that you don't
00:04:25discard, that in reality I like it, it
00:04:29attracts me a lot and I feel very comfortable
00:04:32with acting, for example,
00:04:35but I didn't know it was going to be
00:04:37Arcoiris, of course, like this, leading a program
00:04:40is an
00:04:43violent for us, yes, because whatever opportunity that I loved, that
00:04:46came very
00:04:49us happy, unexpectedly
00:04:51what shames us, and well, I'm taking
00:04:54advantage of it, I also discovered that
00:04:57I love it and it's something I plan to
00:05:01put a lot of effort into and invest a lot of
00:05:04time in.
00:06:26Hello, how
00:06:27are you?
00:06:32In this month, which is like a month where topics related to
00:06:36diversity are brought up,
00:06:39there are things that perhaps are I don't know, correct me, perhaps
00:06:43they are easier, less traumatic for
00:06:47adolescents, children who are
00:06:50trans in today's Uruguay than they were when you were a child or
00:06:54adolescent, not to mention 20 or 30 years ago, but what
00:06:57things do you think should still
00:07:00be on the table, what topics do you think
00:07:03we should
00:07:05make visible?
00:07:08First of all, I
00:07:11tell you that I am in contact with some families of
00:07:15boys and girls, and the truth
00:07:18is that today the fact that
00:07:21fathers and mothers have more information at their
00:07:24fingertips is a
00:07:27very important tool
00:07:31that is generating a lot,
00:07:33that is bearing a lot of fruit,
00:07:37it is helping adolescents
00:07:39a lot. I believe that
00:07:43everything that has to do with the trans issue must
00:07:47continue to be put on the table, we must continue talking
00:07:50about non-binary bodies
00:07:53and
00:07:56well, accepting that all people are
00:08:00different,
00:08:02also, but accepting them from a
00:08:05real place, not because today
00:08:08we see many flags, many rainbows
00:08:12in many places where you really
00:08:15don't know how committed
00:08:18you are to the cause, no.
00:08:22This thing that sometimes they only call you in
00:08:26September to do a campaign and
00:08:29it's only then and not at any other time
00:08:33of the year, only to talk about those topics and
00:08:37not to do your real work,
00:08:40and that already tells you that well,
00:08:44there is a lack, there is a lack, there is a lack of real commitment
00:08:47and not from the "oh, it's all good, but for the photo,"
00:08:51as it is often said, no, that, that,
00:08:55that phrase keeps appearing to me very
00:08:58often lately, which is that
00:09:02well, they are for the photo, but
00:09:05or to show off,
00:09:08let's say, but but really a commitment is needed,
00:09:13real and not so much commitment, simply
00:09:16opening doors and letting things
00:09:20flow. This Thursday we continue
00:09:24the mobile we go to the Galpón theater because there will be, we
00:09:26didn't have role models, no, that is, of course, an era
00:09:30without social networks,
00:09:33well, communications,
00:09:37for us who are from the interior, coming to
00:09:40Montevideo was an adventure. But that's why I
00:09:43said, when I saw the first trans colleagues
00:09:46in
00:09:49you would go to Arcoiris and you would see those monuments that
00:09:53I say you would see Katy enter, you would see Doriana, Taiana enter,
00:09:56and you would really move those guitar bodies and you would be left
00:10:00looking, people who
00:10:03marked a history in society,
00:10:07in a society that persecuted them,
00:10:09and violated them, and
00:10:13putting their bodies on the line, all the colleagues who worked for years on
00:10:17Boulevard, and that again, I wrote an
00:10:20article about the colleagues who worked, who worked
00:10:24on Boulevard. And that many of them we have forgotten, and yet
00:10:27they conquered that space as a political
00:10:30space, not because Boulevard is a political
00:10:34space of visibility, that today colleagues
00:10:37can be working without the
00:10:41police chasing them, those colleagues who, well,
00:10:44who ran in their heels,
00:10:47who were taken to jail, they were violated,
00:10:51all the rest they suffered from the cold.
00:10:55continue to follow trans people who are in those spaces,
00:10:58but I mean those colleagues who and who the
00:11:02next day, when they came out two or three days later, they would go back to
00:11:06boulevards, as if to say, here I am
00:11:08again, but also look,
00:11:12I worked on boulevards, and I was arrested 2000 times,
00:11:16like all my colleagues, the
00:11:19thing about when you get out of jail and you have to go back to boulevard,
00:11:23you have to, it's your means of living, that's what
00:11:27you have to do, what you have to pay your bills with, like any ordinary person,
00:11:31to eat, so you leave
00:11:34they let you go walking without a penny, you were waiting for nightfall to stand
00:11:38again and well, because at home you would arrive and no one was waiting for you with a plate of
00:11:42hot food, so the
00:11:44need, or the landlady of the boarding house was waiting to tell you, did
00:11:48you bring me the money to pay me, if not, you have to leave,
00:11:51without them caring about three days without earning money.
00:11:55Yes, yes, I was listening to them and I am on the other side,
00:11:59well, you are 23 years old, yes, many generations
00:12:02later, I was listening to them and I have had role models,
00:12:06unlike them who say they didn't have role models, would you say it's
00:12:09different to transition if
00:12:11you are, yes, totally different, in what way is it
00:12:15different, and look, we, I don't know of any
00:12:19case, but we, I don't think we have to access
00:12:21the how do they say it.
00:12:25visual, I think I know, I don't know any boy who has to
00:12:28access that, this, why not, you said that because
00:12:32they don't realize, that there is something there like people don't realize that things
00:12:36change, like the way
00:12:38things happen, yes, we are different, I wouldn't know how to tell
00:12:42you in what sense, but there are people, like today I was talking to her, she didn't
00:12:46realize when she saw me that I was a trans boy, she asked me because
00:12:50she didn't know if I was or if I wasn't, our transition is different,
00:12:53you see? They resort to other types of
00:12:57treatments to eliminate hair and ours grows like that from one day
00:13:01to the next and you don't realize if we are or not unless
00:13:05you are not transitioning with hormones,
00:13:07you see? This
00:13:10hormones are sexist, I see that there are also
00:13:12emotions, men's hormones are very
00:13:16strong. Even in that you
00:13:20have boxes and boxes and boxes
00:13:23and well, we, before, as they commented, were not so
00:13:27visible, now we are much more visible, but not
00:13:30so much, because as we were commenting, you say trans and you think
00:13:34of a trans woman, a prostitute, not in
00:13:37my case, but people who don't know much about the topic, the word
00:13:41transvestite, for example, that was used, refers to a
00:13:44woman, no one thinks of a man, clear, and
00:13:48no one calls us transvestites, nothing,
00:13:52we are not so discriminated against, we are discriminated
00:13:55against, but not in the same way that a trans woman is discriminated against, at least I feel that way, I
00:13:59have not, as I told you before, felt discrimination, maybe I
00:14:03felt discrimination before, yes, from the
00:14:06transition from woman to man, but since I made this
00:14:10transition, I have not felt discrimination, and if they did, I don't give them
00:14:13importance, I always say it, it's not something that affects
00:14:17me, that matters to me, I don't
00:14:20listen to them, this, and well, I believe
00:14:23that it will always be
00:14:26different for men than for women, what happens is that there is this that you
00:14:29say happens a lot to trans men, this that is
00:14:33known as passing,
00:14:37sis passing, that is, passing as a cis
00:14:40person, clear, but that also has to do with this
00:14:44that Paula brings up and I always defend it,
00:14:47it's how you stand,
00:14:50I love wearing
00:14:54heels, I
00:14:56love seeing myself feminine, I
00:14:59love it, what the other person likes is the other person's
00:15:03problem, exactly, it's not my problem,
00:15:06so in the case of trans men,
00:15:10as I told you a bit jokingly, testosterone,
00:15:14hormones are sexist, they have a super
00:15:17fast effect, and suddenly women,
00:15:20that is, trans women,
00:15:23have to undergo many
00:15:27treatments, and then there's this that Paula also mentioned,
00:15:30which needs to be made visible, there are colleagues who
00:15:34cannot access a razor.
00:15:38Ah, there are colleagues who have
00:15:41the possibility
00:15:44of perhaps going to Europe to
00:15:48get everything done, very well, and others who
00:15:50inject themselves with silicone, and who
00:15:54hurt themselves, it's a tremendous problem because in
00:15:57reality, in other times,
00:16:01they also accessed clandestine hormone treatments, industrial
00:16:04silicone, which generated a
00:16:08of trans women, infections, hospitalizations,
00:16:37well, death.
00:17:05I listen to all four of you and I think
00:17:08that the price you paid for being who you are is much higher than what I could have paid,
00:17:12of course, yes,
00:17:14of course,
00:17:18without a doubt, everything costs us double, without a doubt, in
00:17:21fact, look, it happens to us
00:17:24all the time, we are at work or
00:17:28we go to the store
00:17:30or we go to the supermarket and the security guard follows
00:17:33you,
00:17:36we don't go. and the security guard follows you, I have turned
00:17:40around and told him, why are you following me, do you think I'm going to
00:17:43steal from you, no, I go to
00:17:47stores and the girls from the stores
00:17:50follow me, so there's a distrust in the trans
00:17:53world, and if you work you have to prove
00:17:55doubly
00:17:57that you can work, that you comply with the schedule, that you are a good
00:18:01worker, you must experience that, right,
00:18:05if you are a professional. 50,000 times, that
00:18:09you are a good professional, that you have intellectual capacity, that
00:18:12you have, so it's like oh, I mean, all the time I have to
00:18:16be proving that I am a human being,
00:18:20a capable human being, and then on top of that you come, you violate
00:18:24me and you murder me,
00:18:27this that you said about the price that has to be paid, the truth is that we have
00:18:31been paying it historically, right, with the exclusion we live in
00:18:34every sense, not to an educational center to
00:18:38study and receive bullying, receive violence,
00:18:41blows, mockery, no, and
00:18:45the same in health centers, when trans people go to health centers
00:18:48for care, that's where you experience the most discrimination,
00:18:52because they start calling
00:18:54you by your deadname,
00:18:58the voice, from the moment you enter, they
00:19:02treat you and you feel you have to clarify with the doctor, yes, it has happened to me to clarify, because
00:19:05they send us to a gynecologist. and when we are there
00:19:09are 10 women, one man, the
00:19:11stares, for me it's horrible, it's the worst
00:19:15thing in the world to be observed by so many women for being at a
00:19:18gynecologist or whatever, they are looking for your pregnant
00:19:21wife, all of that, when I had to have surgery, I was in the room to
00:19:25have a mammogram so I could have my breasts removed, how they
00:19:29observed me, it's very uncomfortable, it's unpleasant to have to go through that, but
00:19:32well, that's why the name change is so important, what Paula said,
00:19:36it's because they call you by your deadname, of course
00:19:40that happened, imagine us sitting here and as we are sitting
00:19:43Pablo, Colette and I sitting in public health to be
00:19:47attended by a doctor, you see a girl, you enter, you see a girl, a
00:19:50girl, she doesn't attract attention, suddenly until she came out and it seemed like they did it
00:19:54on purpose, so-and-so with first and last name, but they said
00:19:58the first name to the last name,
00:20:01so of course everyone did
00:20:04this, also the stigmatization
00:20:07that trans people live, like, well, I attend the trans
00:20:11person, HIV analysis directly, as if
00:20:14all the time we are stigmatized,
00:20:17first thing, and the truth is it's very
00:20:20you go for, because you go to Chile, you go to get treatment
00:20:24because you have, I don't know, dirt in your eye and they send
00:20:28you for an HIV test and they send you for an
00:20:30HIV test.
00:20:32Ah, I left the society I was in before because
00:20:36of that issue, I was a reference and when she
00:20:39found out I was trans, the first thing she said to me, after asking
00:20:43me if I had left, no, and I
00:20:46told her I am a trans woman, doctor,
00:20:50and she says, oh, I'm going to send you for an HIV test,
00:20:53what, imagine my mouth,
00:20:55no.
00:21:02The trans population within what is considered the
00:21:05LGBTQ+ population,
00:21:09is like the one that still has less
00:21:11visibility, it has more restricted
00:21:14rights, let's say that they are still
00:21:17like the weakest link,
00:21:21no, yes, I
00:21:24depend on where you look at the weak point,
00:21:28I myself feel that
00:21:31I have gone through a lot of things that
00:21:34people have no idea about, and they see you
00:21:38looking great, and they don't
00:21:42everything that, well, everything you had to overcome,
00:21:46that, well, the world tells you something,
00:21:50that you are something that puts you in a place and you, as
00:21:54best you can, have to get out of
00:21:58there, scratching your way out because
00:22:00it's difficult, sometimes we
00:22:04think that strength not everyone has it,
00:22:08not everyone lives these things and
00:22:10can stand up to tell about it and to
00:22:14overcome them in their life,
00:22:16no.
00:22:25There is a society that does not understand that a trans
00:22:29person lives half the life of a person in Uruguay, it's like you can't
00:22:33believe it because you say we are talking about human rights, about people's
00:22:36lives, and that people and society do not manage to empathize with
00:22:40that, it is extremely painful for us, it was even
00:22:43handled in the discussion of the trans
00:22:47law regarding hormone therapy in particular for children
00:22:50and adolescents, this thing like,
00:22:53well, if one day you want to be a sheep then no, like
00:22:57examples of that type, discussions that went in that
00:23:00direction, also a negative
00:23:03handling by the media, by some
00:23:06media,
00:23:09because in reality it was never proposed to hormone children, girls, or
00:23:12boys, they don't need hormones, what happens
00:23:16is that you don't forget that those who were the
00:23:20detractors of this law were
00:23:23headed by neo-pentecostal factors, let's call things
00:23:26by their name, Amarilla,
00:23:30Dastugue and Afigliola,
00:23:33and all those neo-pentecostal churches are
00:23:36advancing in Latin America in such a way, you go to Central America and
00:23:39the radio stations are from the neo-pentecostal churches, the media
00:23:43are from the neo-pentecostal churches, the deputies, the senators, the
00:23:47presidents are, and that is advancing and we thought that would
00:23:51not reach Uruguay, gentlemen, it has arrived,
00:23:54and all, all
00:23:57those who made these
00:24:01false, lying,
00:24:03arguments,
00:24:07the comprehensive law for trans people, were led
00:24:10by neo-pentecostal pastors, and neo-pentecostal
00:24:13churches have a lot of money to finance, and we, civil
00:24:17society organizations, don't have a penny.
00:24:21Everything comes out of our own pockets and we eat bread to be able to take
00:24:24a bus to come to an interview, that is, when they call us for an
00:24:28interview, and maybe that day we don't
00:24:32buy rice, we don't buy bread because we spend
00:24:35it on the bus ticket to an interview because it's a
00:24:39medium where we can have an impact and some
00:24:42don't speak and some don't speak because it has a cost,
00:24:45exactly, exactly, everything has a
00:24:48cost, and in this context, today, Uruguay
00:24:512021, all this has a political cost and all
00:24:55this has a cost of persecution, what happens is that it has already cost
00:24:58us enough, so sitting down to talk for us
00:25:02is fundamental because we have already
00:25:06paid everything we could to this
00:25:09society, right, so
00:25:13for us it is important to sit down to denounce,
00:25:15for people to understand, for people to know our realities,
00:25:20for them to realize that we are talking about nothing more and nothing less
00:25:23than human rights, not like the right to food, to
00:25:27work, to health, to occupy public spaces, many times we can't even go out into
00:25:30the streets because they violate us, because they insult us, you can't
00:25:34sit in a square and have a tea or a mate,
00:25:37because there is always that violence that we have to
00:25:41live daily, and this that Colette said, about an absent
00:25:44state, obviously it worries us, because
00:25:48we have a president, for example, who did not vote for the same-sex marriage law, he did not vote for the
00:25:52comprehensive law for trans people when we are telling him that trans people have a life
00:25:55expectancy of 35 years,
00:25:58we are not represented by...
00:26:02we are 1200 in the country, so it is
00:26:05difficult, right, when on top of that there is a proposal
00:26:08for cuts, of a pro-life agenda that
00:26:12violates us, that stigmatizes us, so it is
00:26:16very difficult, if we support each other among the collectives, among
00:26:19the colleagues, we have formed a support network at the country level, the
00:26:23social organizations because it is necessary because we are alone,
00:26:26we are really alone, so this that Colette
00:26:30said, we took this on.
00:26:33To bring food to those people who don't have food in the middle of a pandemic,
00:26:36and there is an absent state
00:26:39that does not care about this population, which has a life
00:26:43expectancy of 35 years, I emphasize it a lot because it is
00:26:46very important to emphasize this, that trans
00:26:49people are alone, well,
00:26:52thank you very much to the four of you for accepting this
00:26:56here in a place that, like the
00:26:59Cabildo, where citizens decided to be part of
00:27:03Uruguay and and and we thought it was good to do it
00:27:06here because well, also to think that
00:27:09there are citizens whom, as we said today, we leave a little on the margins
00:27:13sometimes, thank you very much, well, thank
00:27:16you very much for sharing with our
00:27:20colleagues, it was truly a pleasure, well, thank
00:27:23you, and be free, thank you very much, and may this serve to
00:27:27to reach society to
00:27:30others facilitate the path of other companies. to the new generations,
00:27:34well, for my part, thank you very much for the invitation and it's good to share the experiences of each
00:27:38one and it was very good, thank you very much.
00:29:58Hello, I'm María Teresa Priego, in
00:30:00openly today we talk with the... anthropologist Aida Hernández
00:30:03Castillo, author of "Exhume Hope, a feminist ethnography
00:30:06in the country of graves," analysis and testimony, the
00:30:09concepts and the action of the land, love, longings
00:30:13and the strength of the searching mothers.
00:30:16When Rosalva began her investigation with the searching
00:30:19mothers of El Fuerte, their response was clear: to
00:30:23accompany, one must put one's body, make a path together,
00:30:26the search in life, the forensic search, before which
00:30:30the mothers say they do not search. for bones, we search for treasures,
00:30:34let's listen to Ida, what is chorography, how is
00:30:37a chorography of
00:30:39hope created,
00:30:42we must speak, speak of our
00:30:45desires, speak of what
00:30:48hurts us, what makes
00:30:53what scares us, we carry so much
00:30:56inside, silenced and secret,