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00:00:23♪♪ >> Rosemary: THIS SUNDAY ON "ROSEMARY BARTON LIVE" --
00:00:24>> THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF COMMON.
00:00:28FIRST, WE'LL FOCUS ON THAT. >> Rosemary: CANADIAN CONCERNS. HOW WILL OTTAWA NAVIGATE A
00:00:31RELATIONSHIP WITH QUÉBEC'S NEW SEPARATIST GOVERNMENT. AND WITH A REFERENDUM IN
00:00:35ALBERTA, IS NATIONAL UNITY AT RISK? MINISTER OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL
00:00:39AFFAIRS DOMINIC LEBLANC IS HERE. >> THEY NEED TO COMPLY.
00:00:42IF NOT, WE'LL USE THE FULL FORCE OF THE LAW.
00:00:46>> Rosemary: STEEL RESOLVES. STELCO'S OWNER RESPONDS TO
00:00:49OTTAWA'S DEMAND, DISPUTING CLAIMS THEY'RE IN BREACH OF
00:00:52THEIR COMMITMENTS OVER PLANNED
00:00:56LAYOFFS. WHY EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH CLEVELAND-CLIFFS C.E.O.
00:00:59>> IT'S UNDERMINING INVESTOR CERTAINTY. >> Rosemary: WITH ALBERTA'S VOTE
00:01:03JUST OVER ONE WEEK AWAY, CONCERNS OF FOREIGN
00:01:06INTERFERENCE, INCLUDING FROM THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD. WHAT'S THE RESPONSE FROM PEOPLE
00:01:09INSIDE THE PROVINCE? FORMER ALBERTA PREMIER RACHEL NOTLEY JOINS ME.
00:01:12IT ALL STARTS NOW ON "ROSEMARY BARTON LIVE."
00:01:15♪♪
00:01:23PRIME MINISTER MARK CARNEY IS HEADING TO ALBERTA THIS WEEK IN
00:01:26THE CRUCIAL FINAL DAYS AHEAD OF THE PROVINCE'S VOTE ON A
00:01:29REFERENDUM ON OCTOBER 19th. THAT VOTE COMES JUST TWO WEEKS
00:01:33AFTER THE SEPARATIST PARTI QUEBECOIS FORMED A MINORITY
00:01:35GOVERNMENT, PROMISING TO HOLD A
00:01:38REFERENDUM WHEN DONALD TRUMP LEAVES OFFICE IN 2029.
00:01:41AS CANADA FACES TWO POTENTIAL SOVEREIGNTY CHALLENGES, CARNEY
00:01:45SAYS THE FUTURE OF CANADA WILL
00:01:46BE DECIDED BY CANADIANS.
00:01:50>> Prime Minister Mark Carney: BUILDING A STRONG QUÉBEC WITHIN A STRONG CANADA AND A STRONG
00:01:53CANADA THAT MEANS MORE INDEPENDENT, MORE SOVEREIGN,
00:01:56MORE PROSPEROUS OBVIOUSLY.
00:01:59BUT ALSO -- SO WE CAN LIVE OUR
00:02:02LIVES AS WE CHOOSE IN QUÉBEC, IN CANADA. THAT.
00:02:05ARES OUR LANGUAGES, OUR CULTURE, OUR WAY OF LIFE.
00:02:09>> Rosemary: EARLIER I SPOKE TO THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR
00:02:12INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS DOMINIC LEBLANC ON HOW THE GOVERNMENT IS APPROACHING THE
00:02:31ON DIFFERENT TOPICS FOR YOU. I WANT TO START WITH QUÉBEC, IF
00:02:34I CAN.
00:02:38OBVIOUSLY THE P.Q. GOVERNMENT
00:02:42WON. THEY PROMISED TO HOLD A REFERENDUM ONCE TRUMP LEAVES OFFICE.
00:02:46THE PRIME MINISTER AND PLAMONDON SAID THEY'LL WORK TOGETHER.
00:02:48I WANT TO KNOW WHAT COOPERATIVE FEDERALISM LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU
00:02:52HAVE A PREMIER WHO ALSO WANTS TO
00:02:54HOLD A REFERENDUM FOR SEPARATION
00:03:01YOU JUST SAID, ROSEMARY, AT SOME POINT.
00:03:04QUÉBECERS CHOSE A GOVERNMENT ON
00:03:08MONDAY EVENING. THEY EXPECT THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA TO BE A PARTNER IN
00:03:12ADDRESSING THE PRIORITIES IN THE
00:03:15LIVES OF QUÉBECERS ON ISSUES
00:03:17THAT WERE ABSOLUTELY ALIGNED
00:03:20WITH MR. PLAMONDON. I KNOW IN THE PRIME MINISTER'S
00:03:23PHONE CALL WITH THE PREMIER-DESIGNATE THEY TALKED
00:03:27ABOUT THINGS LIKE HOMELESSNESS. A HUGE CHALLENGE.
00:03:30IT WAS A BIG ISSUE IN THE QUÉBEC ELECTION. >> Rosemary: YEP.
00:03:33>> WE'RE ABSOLUTELY ALIGNED IN WANTING TO WORK WITH HIM ON THAT. INFRASTRUCTURE.
00:03:37THE CANADA-U.S. TARIFF CONTEXT.
00:03:42THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF COMMON INTERESTS. WE'LL START BY FOCUSING ON THAT.
00:03:46AND THE COMING MONTHS AND THE
00:03:48COMING YEARS WILL BRING OTHER TALES.
00:03:50WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM A HYPOTHETICAL CIRCUMSTANCE TWO,
00:03:54THREE YEARS FROM NOW. >> Rosemary: HE IS, HOWEVER, --
00:03:58MR. PLAMONDON TALKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE MONARCHY IN QUÉBEC.
00:04:01NOT JUST THE OATH TO THE KING, WHICH AS YOU KNOW HAS BEEN AN
00:04:04ISSUE IN THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY.
00:04:22HE CAN -- HE CAN DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES.
00:04:25WE DON'T THINK THEY'RE HUGE PRIORITIES FOR QUÉBECERS. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS IN THE
00:04:29CONVERSATION WITH THE PRIME MINISTER, THEY DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT ISSUE.
00:04:33IN FACT, DIDN'T DISCUSS IT AT ALL.
00:04:36>> Rosemary: ALBERTA ALSO -- JUST OVER A WEEK IS FACING THIS
00:04:40REFERENDUM. THAT'S NEXT ON MONDAY -- NEXT MONDAY RATHER.
00:04:44AND THE PRIME MINISTER AND OTHERS HAVE SAID THAT YOU'RE
00:04:46TRACKING ALLEGATIONS OF FOREIGN INTERFERENCE.
00:04:53MORE INTENSE THAN YOU WOULD HAVE EXPECTED? LIKE THE INTEREST FROM FOREIGN
00:04:56ACTORS IS MORE INTENSE GIVEN THE
00:05:00SITUATION. >> YEAH. I DON'T -- I DON'T THINK IT'S
00:05:04MORE INTENSE THAN WE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED.
00:05:08WE HAVE FOR SOME TIME BEEN AWARE
00:05:12OF DIFFERENT FOREIGN ACTORS THAT
00:05:15SEEK TO INTERFERE IN DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES IN CANADA.
00:05:18IT'S NOT NEW. >> Rosemary: SURE. >> IT'S NEW IN TERMS OF THE LAST
00:05:22NUMBER OF YEARS.
00:05:24WE'RE WORKING IN ALBERTA WITH ELECTIONS ALBERTA.
00:05:28THE SECURITY AND INTELLIGENCE SERVICES, CSIS AMONG OTHERS.
00:05:32IN FACT, PARLIAMENT CHANGED THE LAW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WITH THE SUPPORT OF MOST OF THE
00:05:36PARTIES, IF NOT ALL OF THEM, I THINK THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, FOR
00:05:39GIVE CSIS THE ABILITY TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH PROVINCIAL
00:05:43PARTNERS. SO THAT'S AN ONGOING EFFORT.
00:05:47FEDEAT THE END OF THE DAY, ROSE,
00:05:49I'M VERY, VERY CONFIDENT THAT
00:05:52THESE DIAGNOSES, IF -- THESE
00:05:55DECISIONS ARE MADE BY CANADIANS WHO GO TO POLLING STATIONS AND
00:05:58CAST THEIR BALLOTS. >> Rosemary: EXCEPT PART OF THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT SOME OF THE
00:06:02CALLS ARE COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE, RIGHT.
00:06:05SOME OF THE CENTIMETRES HAVE
00:06:08REPORT -- SEPARATISTS HAVE MET
00:06:10WITH OFFICIALS IN THE U.S., PROMISING THEM THINGS, AGO ETS
00:06:13THAT ALBERTA HAS IF THEY WERE TO HELP THEM.
00:06:15HOW DO YOU HANDLE THINGS WHEN IT'S BEING SOLICITED BY
00:06:19CANADIANS, BUT TO COULD BE
00:06:21VIEWED AS STILL AS BEING
00:06:24INTERFERENCE?
00:06:26>> WE'LL LET THOSE PEOPLE
00:06:29EXPLAIN TO ALBERTANS WHY THEY THOUGHT IT WAS USEFUL TO TAKE
00:06:33SOME TRIP TO WASHINGTON AND MEET
00:06:36SOME PEOPLE IN A FOREIGN
00:06:38ADMINISTRATION TO HOLD OUT SOME KIND PERFORM COMMITMENTS THAT
00:06:41THEY MAY OR MAY NOT EVER BE ABLE TO DELIVER.
00:06:44LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE BUY AIR TICKETS, ROSEMARY, AND TRAVEL
00:06:47AROUND TO PLACES AND HAVE
00:06:50MEETINGS WITH PEOPLE WHO PRETEND
00:06:52TO BE DECISION MAKERS AND OTHER CONTEXT.
00:06:55PEOPLE MOVE AROUND AND HAVE ALL KINDS OF MEETINGS.
00:06:58AND THEN TALK ABOUT, OH, I MET
00:07:01THIS VERY IMPORTANT OFFICIAL IN
00:07:03THIS FOREIGN GOVERNMENT, IN THIS BOARD ROOM IN SOME FOREIGN
00:07:07CAPITAL. THIS STUFF HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
00:07:10WE HAVE MADE IT CLEAR TO THE UNITED STATES THAT WE EXPECT
00:07:14THEM TO RESPECT THE SOVEREIGNTY OF CANADA.
00:07:17WE HAVE A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS
00:07:20THAT'S RUN UNDER CANADIAN LAW. IN THIS CASE, THE LAW OF THE
00:07:24PROVINCE OF ALBERTA.
00:07:26AND WE HAVE MADE IT CLEAR AT THE VERY HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE
00:07:30UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT THAT WE HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY'LL
00:07:34RESPECT OUR SOVEREIGNTY AS WE WILL ANOTHER FOREIGN COUNTRY
00:07:37GOING THROUGH AN OPEN AND FREE ELECTION. >> Rosemary: THIS PAST WEEK THE
00:07:41U.S. TRADE REPRESENTATIVE JAMIESON GREER SAID THAT CANADA
00:07:43IS PREOCCUPIED WITH THE QUÉBEC ELECTION.
00:07:46WHY DO YOU THINK HE'S POINTING
00:07:48TO THAT AS THE FOCUS OF THE
00:07:50CANADIAN GOVERNMENT?
00:07:54>> I DON'T KNOW. I SPOKE TO JAMIESON GREER
00:07:56EARLIER THIS WEEK.
00:07:58WE HAD -- WE HAD A CONVERSATION
00:08:00THAT DIDN'T TOUCH ON THIS.
00:08:06JAMIESON AT VARIOUS TIMES ASKS ME ABOUT CANADIAN POLITICS. HE FOLLOWS.
00:08:09HE'S INTERESTED IN IT. I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE U.S. CABINET-LEVEL SECRETARY
00:08:13IS FOLLOWING CANADIAN DOMESTIC POLITICS.
00:08:17I DON'T KNOW WHY HE WOULD HAVE SAID THAT.
00:08:19MY CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM WERE
00:08:22NOT FOCUSING ON PROVINCIAL ELECTION RESULTS.
00:08:25WE'RE FOCUSING ON TARIFFS THAT
00:08:27WE THINK ARE UNJUSTIFIED AND
00:08:29THAT ARE HURTING THE CANADIAN
00:08:32ECONOMY AND CREATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR CANADIAN
00:08:35WORKERS THAT AREN'T HELPFUL. THAT'S THE FOCUS OF MY
00:08:38CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM. >> Rosemary: SO WHEN -- WHEN ARE
00:08:42THOSE CONVERSATIONS -- LIKE IT'S ENCOURAGING THAT YOU'RE BOTH
00:08:45SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER. WHEN DO THOSE CONVERSATIONS TURN
00:08:48INTO SOMETHING MORE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SEEING
00:08:51SOME OF THE DAMAGING EFFECTS OF TARIFFS.
00:08:54STELCO IS A SLIGHTLY UNUSUAL INSTANCE, BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE
00:08:58MOST RECENT ONE.
00:08:59WHETHER DO YOUR -- WHEN DO YOUR
00:09:02CALLS BECOME SOMETHING ELSE MORE FORMAL?
00:09:05WOULD IT BE AFTER THE MIDTERMS?
00:09:07>> AND YOU'RE RIGHT, ROSEMARY,
00:09:09IN A SENSE THAT WE ARE SEEING
00:09:12SOME OF THE EFFECTS OF THESE AMERICAN TARIFFS ON CERTAIN
00:09:16SECTORS OF THE CANADIAN ECONOMY.
00:09:18THE EXAMPLE OF STELCO IS ONE. IT'S TRUE IN OTHER SECTORS.
00:09:22IT'S TRUE IN SOFTWOOD LUMBER.
00:09:24IT'S TRUE IN SOME PARTS OF THE
00:09:26ECONOMY THAT WERE HIT WITH THESE
00:09:29TARIFFS IN THE SUMMER, THE 338 TARIFFS.
00:09:32WHAT WE'VE SAID TO THE AMERICANS -- THE PRIME MINISTER HAS SAID IT PUBLICLY.
00:09:36WE SAY IT TO OUR COUNTERPARTS
00:09:38WHEN WE TALK TO THEM PRIVATELY.
00:09:42WE'RE PREPARED TO NEGOTIATE AN ARRANGEMENT THAT WE THINK IS IN
00:09:46THE ECONOMIC AND SOVEREIGN INTERESTS OF CANADA. THEY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
00:09:50THEY KNOW WHERE WE WERE WHEN THE
00:09:53CONVERSATION OR THE NEGOTIATIONS -- THE FORMAL NEGOTIATIONS WERE
00:09:57INTERRUPTED AT THE END OF AUGUST.
00:10:00THE CONVERSATIONS AND AMBASSADOR
00:10:03GREER -- JAMIESON SAID THIS TO AMERICAN MEDIA. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD WAY TO
00:10:07SAY IT. HE SAID IN HIS CONVERSATIONS
00:10:09WITH HIS COUNTERPART IN CANADA, IT'S ABOUT LOOKING FOR
00:10:13ALTERNATIVES TO THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCE.
00:10:15SO IT'S NOT A FORMAL NEGOTIATION.
00:10:17WE'RE NOT EXCHANGING LEGAL TEXTS
00:10:20OF AN AGREEMENT. >> Rosemary: YEP.
00:10:22>> BUT WE KNOW WHERE THE NEGOTIATIONS WERE INTERRUPTED AT
00:10:25THE END OF AUGUST. AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO PUT US
00:10:29ON A TRAJECTORY THAT BRINGS
00:10:31THESE TARIFFS DOWN AND SETS US
00:10:33UP IN A DIFFERENT ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCE, THEN THE PRIME
00:10:36MINISTER WILL HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE. AND WE'LL DECIDE AT THAT POINT
00:10:40IF THERE'S A NEGOTIATION TO RESUME. >> Rosemary: BUT IT DOES LOOK --
00:10:43AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION. IT DOES LOOK, MINISTER, LIKE THE
00:10:46MIDTERMS ARE GOING TO BE -- ARE
00:10:49GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
00:10:52SURELY THAT WOULD BE A WINDOW FOR THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT TO
00:10:56-- IF, YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATION IS WEAKENED BY
00:11:06POLITICAL SCIENTISTS SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND COMMENTATORS TALKING
00:11:10ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS ON THE OTHER
00:11:11SIDE OF THE MIDTERMS.
00:11:14THAT'S AN AMERICAN DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. AMERICANS WILL CHOOSE THEIR
00:11:17REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS. >> Rosemary: YEP. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
00:11:21ADMINISTRATION WILL BE IN OFFICE FOR TWO MORE YEARS.
00:11:23AND A GREAT DEAL OF THE
00:11:26AUTHORITY THAT HE'S USING TO APPLY THE TARIFFS, OF COURSE, IS EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY.
00:11:30WHICH WON'T BE CHANGED BY THE MIDTERMS. >> Rosemary: RIGHT.
00:11:33>> WE'LL LET AMERICAN POLITICS PLAY OUT.
00:11:36WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY
00:11:37AND REMAIN FOCUSED ON FINDING A
00:11:41DEAL THAT WOULD BE IN THE ECONOMIC AND SOVEREIGN INTEREST
00:11:52HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND. >> Rosemary: STEEL MAKER STELCO
00:11:55SAYS IT IS PROCEEDING WITH ITS PLANNED LAYOFFS. THE COMPANY OUTLINED ITS
00:11:59RESPONSE TO OTTAWA IN A LETTER. WE'LL HEAR FROM THE C.E.O. OF
00:12:03CLEVELAND-CLIFFS, STELCO'S U.S. OWNER, FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE
00:12:05THE LATEST DEVELOPMENT. THAT EXCLUSIVE CONVERSATION COMING UP NEXT.
00:12:08♪♪
00:12:14♪ [upbe
00:14:36♪♪
00:14:40>> THESE OBLIGATIONS ARE BINDING.
00:14:43AND FAILING TO FOLLOW THEIR
00:14:48COMMITMENTS WILL RESULT BUY ACTIONS BY THE GOVERNMENT.
00:14:52AND SO BASICALLY MY POINT IS THEY NEED TO COMPLY.
00:14:56IF NOT, WE'LL USE THE FULL FORCE
00:14:58OF THE LAW.
00:15:02>> Rosemary: INDUSTRY MINISTER MELANIE JOLY ON THURSDAY WARNING
00:15:04OF LEGAL ACTION AGAINST STELCO. OTTAWA GAVE THE STEELMAKER FIVE
00:15:08DAYS TO RESPOND AFTER IT PLANS
00:15:10TO LAY OFF UP TO 500 WORKERS.
00:15:13CBC NEWS OBTAINED A COPY OF THE RESPONSE OVER THE WEEKEND.
00:15:15IT SAYS IT'S NOT VIOLATING ITS EMPLOYMENT COMMITMENTS.
00:15:19CLEVELAND-CLIFFS IS THE U.S. OWNER OF STELCO, THE C.E.O.
00:15:22JOINS ME NOW LIVE THIS MORNING. LOURENCO GONCALVES, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
00:15:31TO THE GOVERNMENT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS, MINISTER JOLY'S
00:15:35OFFICE SAYS THE GOVERNMENT EXPECTS STELCO TO MEET ITS
00:15:39LEGALLY BINDING COMMITMENTS TO EMPLOYEES.
00:15:42AND THEIR LEGAL TEAM, THE GOVERNMENT'S LEGAL TEAM IS GOING
00:15:44TO REVIEW YOUR LETTER.
00:15:46ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE.
00:15:48ARE YOU PREPARED TO FIGHT THIS
00:15:50IN COURT, MR. GONCALVES? >> I AM.
00:15:53AND JUST TO CLARIFY A FEW POINTS.
00:15:56WE HAVE BEEN IN DIRECT
00:15:59CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MINISTRY
00:16:02OF INNOVATION AND SCIENCE AND
00:16:04ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN CANADA. >> Rosemary: YEAH.
00:16:07>> AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE LETTER. IT'S TWO LETTERS THAT WE
00:16:10ACTUALLY SENT ON FRIDAY.
00:16:14ONE TO MINISTER JOLY TO REPLY TO
00:16:17HER PUBLIC LETTER, BECAUSE SHE SENT A PUBLIC LETTER TO ME.
00:16:21I REPLIED WITH A PUBLIC LETTER AS WELL.
00:16:23AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT
00:16:27GOES STRAIGHT TO THE DEPUTY MINISTER.
00:16:30>> Rosemary: DEPUTY MINISTER. YES.
00:16:32>> AND THAT OTHER ONE IS
00:16:41SO -- BUT, URN, WE DIDN'T NEED
00:16:45THE FIVE DAYS.
00:16:48THIS IS SO ABSURD. IT'S EASY TO COUNTER.
00:16:52>> Rosemary: LET ME GO TO THE ISSUE OF JOBS, WHICH IS CENTRAL TO THIS OBVIOUSLY.
00:16:55IT'S CANADIAN THANKSGIVING. SOME OF THESE WORKERS ARE BEING
00:16:59LAID OFF TODAY. AND STELCO IS SAYING IT'S
00:17:03COMPLIANT WITH ITS EMPLOYMENT COMMITMENTS AND THE UNDERTAKINGS
00:17:06DO NOT STIPULATE A COMMITMENT TO AVOID LAYOFFS.
00:17:10THAT WAS IN THE UNDERTAKING AN AGREEMENT TO EMPLOY THE SAME
00:17:12NUMBER OF UNIONIZED AND
00:17:14NONUNIONIZED EMPLOYEES WHEN THIS HAPPENED. SO HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT?
00:17:18WHY ARE YOU NOW SAYING THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO SOMETHING THAT
00:17:22THE UNDERTAKING SAYS YOU SHOULD NOT BE DOING?
00:17:25>> YEAH.
00:17:27DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAPPENED AT
00:17:31ALGOMA, IN WHICH THE REDUCTION
00:17:32IN JOBS WAS PERMANENT.
00:17:36AND THE SUBSIDIZED BY THE
00:17:38CANADIAN TAXPAYER.
00:17:40REMEMBER ALGONA GOT $500 MILLION
00:17:45FROM THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT. AND THEN SHUT DOWN THE -- THEY
00:17:48LAID OFF PERMANENTLY MORE THAN 1,000 WORKERS.
00:17:51IN OUR CASE, THE LAYOFFS ARE
00:17:55ONE, TEMPORARY. TWO, THEY WILL BE REVERSED.
00:17:58THREE, I DID NOT ACCEPT CANADIAN
00:18:01TAXPAYER MONEY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE COMPLETE
00:18:05LI NAKED COMBAT. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
00:18:09I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. BY THE WAY, NO REASON TO BELIEVE
00:18:12THAT THERE'S ANY OTHER
00:18:14CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND WHAT'S
00:18:19OBVIOUS. BY THE WAY, I NEVER MET MINISTER LEBLANC.
00:18:22HE SOUNDS LIKE A LEVEL-LED THE
00:18:26PERSON. AND AND HIS INTERVIEW WITH YOU A
00:18:29FEW MINUTES AGO WAS SPOT ON. >> Rosemary: TO GO BACK TO THE
00:18:33ISSUE OF THE JOBS. WHEN YOU TOOK OVER THE COMPANY,
00:18:35I REMEMBER BECAUSE WE SPOKE AT THE TIME.
00:18:38ONE OF YOUR COMMITMENTS UNDER THE INVESTMENT CANADA ACT WAS YOU HAD TO KEEP THE LEVEL OF
00:18:51HOW IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO BE LAYING OFF PEOPLE?
00:18:53>> THE LAST TIME WE REPORTED TO
00:18:55THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT IN COMPLIANCE.
00:18:58I EXPECTED NEXT TIME I'LL BE IN
00:19:03COMPLIANCE AGAIN. THERE'S NO PROVISION IN THE
00:19:05CONTRACT THAT I HAVE TO KEEP
00:19:07EMPLOYMENT AT A CERTAIN LEVEL EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE FIVE
00:19:11YEARS. IF THAT WAS AN IMPOSITION OF THE
00:19:15CANADIAN GOVERNMENT, I WOULD NOT
00:19:17HAVE ACCEPTED.
00:19:20UNDERTAKER -- DECREES ARE NOT IMPOSED TO THE BUYER.
00:19:22THIS IS A CONTRACT.
00:19:24I ONLY INVESTED $3.4 BILLION
00:19:28BECAUSE -- TO BUY STELCO BECAUSE
00:19:31I BELIEVE CANADA IS A COUNTRY OF
00:19:34LOSS. AND THERE'S NO PROVISION IN THE
00:19:36CONTRACT THAT FORCED ME TO HAVE
00:19:39THIS SAME EMPLOYMENT LEVEL EVERY
00:19:41SINGLE DAY OF THE FIVE YEARS. >> Rosemary: OKAY.
00:19:45>> MINISTER JOLY IS ELECTED NOT
00:19:49TO ACCEPT. >> Rosemary: LET ME ASK YOU
00:19:51ABOUT TARIFFS. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS -- THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE TARIFFS.
00:19:55ARE YOU IN FAVOUR OF TARIFFS
00:19:58FROM THE U.S. ADMINISTRATION,
00:20:00THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AGAINST CANADA?
00:20:03>> I AM IN FAVOUR OF TARIFFS
00:20:06AGAINST ALL THE COUNTRIES IN THE
00:20:08ENTIRE WORLD THAT DUMP STEEL
00:20:11INTO THE UNITED STATES.
00:20:13BECAUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP
00:20:16IMPLEMENTED IN THE UNITED STATES -- SECTION 232 IS TARIFFS.
00:20:20BASED ON NATIONAL SECURITY. WE FINALLY HAVE THE AMERICAN
00:20:24STEEL INDUSTRY BACK.
00:20:25WE ARE NOW THE THIRD LARGEST
00:20:29PRODUCING STEEL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. AND WE'RE FOURTH FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
00:20:33SO THINGS ARE GETTING MUCH BETTER IN THE UNITED STATES.
00:20:35SO I'M IN FAVOUR OF SECTION 232 TARIFFS.
00:20:39NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
00:20:41BUT I'M WITH THE SAME POSITION
00:20:46OF -- MINISTER DOMINIC LEBLANC.
00:20:48WE NEED TO NEGOTIATE A SEPARATE SITUATION BETWEEN THE UNITED
00:20:51STATES AND CANADA. THAT HAS BEEN MY POSITION ALL ALONG.
00:20:54AND I AM THE BIGGEST APPROPRIATE
00:20:58OF NORTH AMERICA IN BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT
00:21:07NOT LED TO THIS OUTCOME?
00:21:09DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING HERE?
00:21:13>> ROSEMARY, I'M IN FAVOUR OF
00:21:15TARIFFS IN THE UNITED STATES.
00:21:17I'M IN FAVOUR OF TARIFFS AGAINST
00:21:19ALL COUNTRIES THAT DUMP STEEL IN THE UNITED STATES.
00:21:22THE SITUATION BETWEEN CANADA AND
00:21:25THE UNITED STATES IS STARTING TO BE RESOLVED.
00:21:28BECAUSE I STOPPED SELLING.
00:21:33FIRST DAY THAT WAS ONLY STELCO,
00:21:42DON'T CONTROL ANYTHING BEYOND
00:21:45STELCO. >> Rosemary: YEAH.
00:21:46>> THE FLOW OF ARTIFICIALLY CHEAP STEEL INTO THE UNITED
00:21:50STATES FROM CANADA, ONLY THE TARIFFS CAN DO THAT.
00:21:54THAT SAID WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION OF THE
00:21:58UNITED STATES AND CANADA.
00:22:00AND THAT'S WHAT WAS BEING NEGOTIATED. AND IT WAS INTERRUPTED IN THE
00:22:04MIDDLE OF THE NEGOTIATIONS.
00:22:06WE WOULD HAVE A MUCH BETTER
00:22:09SITUATION IF THE PATH THAT WE
00:22:10STARTED IN JUNE OF 2025 -- IT
00:22:14WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER OF
00:22:202025. WE WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN A MORE
00:22:24COMPREHENSIVE FORTRESS NORTH AMERICA AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA.
00:22:28>> Rosemary: YES. I UNDERSTAND. YES.
00:22:31SORRY, I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME, MR. GONCALVES.
00:22:33I UNDERSTAND YOU DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE TAXPAYER MONEY IN ORDER TO
00:22:37HELP THINGS. BUT THE GOVERNMENT DID MAKE
00:22:40VARIOUS OFFERS TO AVOID THIS OUTCOME. WHY DID YOU NOT ACCEPT ANY OF THEM?
00:22:44WHY DID YOU NOT TRY TO FIND A
00:22:46WAY OUT OF THIS?
00:22:49>> BECAUSE THE PART THAT I HAVE
00:22:51TO COMPARE IS ALGOMA.
00:22:55ALGOMA TOOK MONEY.
00:22:56$500 MILLION FROM THE GOVERNMENT
00:23:00TO SHUT DOWN AND LAY OFF
00:23:03PERMANENTLY 1,000 WORKERS. I DON'T DO THESE THINGS.
00:23:07>> Rosemary: MR. GONCALVES, WOULD YOU CONSIDER -- WOULD YOU
00:23:08CONSIDER SELLING THE COMPANY?
00:23:11>> FOR A GOOD OFFER, YES.
00:23:23ABSOLUTELY WE CAN CONTINUE TO BE
00:23:25A GOOD -- A GOOD CITIZEN IN CANADA.
00:23:27WE'LL CONTINUE TO EMPLOY ALL THE
00:23:31WORKFORCE THAT I HAVE THERE WHEN WE BOUGHT THE COMPANY.
00:23:34WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
00:23:37LIKE I SAID, IT'S A CONTRACT.
00:23:40>> Rosemary: LET ME END ON THIS, MR. GONCALVES. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THE
00:23:44WORKERS WHO BELIEVED THAT YOU HAVE -- YOU'VE LET THEM DOWN AND
00:23:48THAT YOU DIDN'T KEEP UP YOUR END OF THE DEAL.
00:23:51>> I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE BEING PLAYED.
00:23:55I BELIEVE THAT HAVING THE PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA, A PERSON
00:23:59THAT I HAVE NEVER MET, SAY THAT
00:24:00I BETRAYED MY EMPLOYEES, THIS IS
00:24:04NOT TRUE.
00:24:06THIS WAS PRIME MINISTER CARNEY
00:24:09REPEATING WHAT MINISTER JOLY SAID WITHOUT THINKING. HE'S A BUSY GUY.
00:24:13PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT MR. LEBLANC IS DOING.
00:24:16DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE RHETORIC OF PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST
00:24:20PLAYING POLITICS. >> Rosemary: OKAY.
00:24:22>> WE HAVE A MUCH BIGGER TASK AT
00:24:26HAND. HAPPY THANKSGIVING. THIS IS THE LAST THANKSGIVING
00:24:29THAT YOU'RE OUT OF A JOB. YOU'RE GOING TO BE BROUGHT BACK OPINION.
00:24:36WE APPRECIATE IT, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> Rosemary: HAVE A GOOD DAY.
00:24:39WE'VE HEARD FROM THE BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE LAYOFFS.
00:24:42LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POLITICAL PART OF THIS STORY. OUR "SUNDAY SCRUM" HAVE BEEN
00:24:46LEAPLEAPING IN -- HAVE BEEN LISTENING IN AND THEY'LL RESPOND
00:24:49AFTER THIS BREAK. YOU'RE WATCHING "R.B.L."
00:24:52♪♪ >> The d
00:27:10♪♪
00:27:15>> PRIME MINISTER CARNEY
00:27:18REPEATING WHAT MINISTER JOLY SAID WITHOUT THINKING.
00:27:21HE'S A BUSY GUY. PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT MINISTER
00:27:24LEBLANC IS DOING. DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE
00:27:28RHETORIC OF PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST PLAYING POLITICS.
00:27:31WE HAVE A MUCH BIGGER TASK AT HAND.
00:27:34AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE BROUGHT BACK. HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
00:27:36THIS IS THE LAST THANKSGIVING THAT YOU ARE OUT OF A JOB.
00:27:40YOU'RE GOING TO BE BROUGHT BACK. >> Rosemary: THE C.E.O. OF
00:27:43CLEVELAND-CLIFFS THERE ABOUT HOW THE COMPANY'S RESPONDING TO
00:27:46OTTAWA'S CRITICISM OF THOSE LAYOFFS AT STELCO. LET'S BRING IN OUR "SUNDAY
00:27:49SCRUM" TO TALK ABOUT IT. CHARELLE EVELYN IS THE MANAGING
00:27:52EDITOR AT THE HILL TIMES, ROBERT
00:27:54BENZIE THE QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU CHIEF FOR THE "TORONTO STAR,"
00:27:57AND ROB SHAW POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT AT CHEK NEWS.
00:28:01HE'S IN VICTORIA. ROBERT BENZIE, I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU.
00:28:04WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THE EXPLANATION THERE BY THE C.E.O.
00:28:08OF CLEVELAND-CLIFFS? >> WELL, THAT WAS A GOOD INTERVIEW, ROSY.
00:28:11HE MADE SOME NEWS. SOME HEADLINES OUT THEREOF.
00:28:13BASICALLY SAYING THAT CARNEY AND
00:28:17JOLY ARE PLAYING POLITICS AND
00:28:18THE WORKERS ARE BEING PLAYED.
00:28:22AND I ALSO STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT HE -- HE SAID HE WOULD BE
00:28:25WILLING TO SELL THE COMPANY IF THEY GET A GOOD OFFER.
00:28:28I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST OUTCOME.
00:28:30BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS THAT HE
00:28:33IS -- HE IS A TRUMP-SUPPORTING
00:28:37STEEL TYCOON. UNDERSTANDABLY IT'S GOOD FOR HIS BUSINESS IN THE UNITED STATES.
00:28:40WHAT'S GOOD FOR HIS COMPANY IN THE UNITED STATES IS NOT GOOD FOR HIS COMPANY IN CANADA.
00:28:44AND THIS IS THE SIGNIFICANT ISSUE, ROSY.
00:28:48THERE'S 23,000 STEEL WORKERS IN CANADA. MOST OF THEM IN ONTARIO.
00:28:51THIS IS A HUGE, HUGE BLOW.
00:28:53I WAS -- I FOUND IT OUT THAT HE
00:28:55WOULD SAY THAT, DON'T WORRY,
00:28:59YOU'LL BE BACK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT HOW THE DISPUTE KNOWS THAT THE
00:29:03REST OF US DON'T KNOW. HOW DOES HE KNOW THE WORKERS
00:29:05WILL BE BACK BY THANKSGIVING 2027. >> Rosemary: I DON'T KNOW.
00:29:09I MEAN, MAYBE HE THINKS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A DEAL. YOU KNOW, MAYBE HE THINKS THAT
00:29:12THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE THE TARIFFS WILL BE LOWERED.
00:29:15THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT -- MAYBE HE KNOWS.
00:29:19YEAH. I AGREE. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT EITHER.
00:29:22ROB SHAW, THOUGH, IT IS SORT OF -- WHAT'S SO INTERESTING ABOUT
00:29:26THE STORY AND OBVIOUSLY UPSETTING FOR MANY PEOPLE IN
00:29:30HAMILTON, IT'S SORT OF A DIRECT
00:29:37DEVASTATING FOR THE CITY OF HAMILTON, WHO I DON'T KNOW THAT
00:29:41EITHER, IN SPITE OF WHAT THE
00:29:50THE AMERICANS WANT A TRADE DEAL.
00:29:52AND THAT WITH MIDTERMS IN THREE WEEKS, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT
00:29:55TRYING TO SHOW THAT HE'S BRINGING STEEL JOBS BACK TO THE
00:30:01THAT TRUMP WANTS IN THE SHORT-TERM.
00:30:03SO I DON'T -- I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT ARGUMENT KIND OF REACHES
00:30:07THE CIRCLE. AND TO PICK UP ON ROB'S POINT
00:30:10THERE, IF THE BEST OUTCOME FOR THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT IS TO
00:30:13FORCE A SALE HERE, THROUGH COURT
00:30:14ACTION AND A COURT DIVESTITURE,
00:30:17WHO IS GOING TO BUY STELCO? IS IT A PRIVATE SALE?
00:30:21IS IT A GOVERNMENT PURCHASE AT SOME POINT AS PART OF THE
00:30:25CONTINUING KIND OF BUILD CANADA,
00:30:27SECURE THE SUPPLY CHAIN, BUY A PIPELINE.
00:30:30YOU CAN BUY A STEEL PLANT.
00:30:33THOSE ARE ALL INTERESTING OUTCOMES. THE OTHER FLAW IN THE ARGUMENT FROM THE C.E.O. THERE IS THE
00:30:36IDEA THAT HE THINKS THE PRIME
00:30:40MINISTER -- THAT THE INDUSTRY MINISTER HAS LINES THE PRIME
00:30:43MINISTER HASN'T SEEN. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
00:30:47THE INDUSTRY MINISTER IS READING THE LINES FROM THE PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE IS HOW I WOULD
00:30:51READ THAT. >> Rosemary: YEAH.
00:30:53CHARELLE, IT ALSO SOUNDS LIKE MR. GONCALVES IS READY
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