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00:00:01SHORT-TERM. SO I DON'T -- I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT ARGUMENT KIND OF REACHES
00:00:05THE CIRCLE. AND TO PICK UP ON ROB'S POINT
00:00:08THERE, IF THE BEST OUTCOME FOR THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT IS TO
00:00:11FORCE A SALE HERE, THROUGH COURT
00:00:13ACTION AND A COURT DIVESTITURE,
00:00:15WHO IS GOING TO BUY STELCO? IS IT A PRIVATE SALE?
00:00:19IS IT A GOVERNMENT PURCHASE AT SOME POINT AS PART OF THE
00:00:23CONTINUING KIND OF BUILD CANADA,
00:00:25SECURE THE SUPPLY CHAIN, BUY A PIPELINE.
00:00:28YOU CAN BUY A STEEL PLANT.
00:00:31THOSE ARE ALL INTERESTING OUTCOMES. THE OTHER FLAW IN THE ARGUMENT FROM THE C.E.O. THERE IS THE
00:00:35IDEA THAT HE THINKS THE PRIME
00:00:38MINISTER -- THAT THE INDUSTRY MINISTER HAS LINES THE PRIME
00:00:42MINISTER HASN'T SEEN. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
00:00:45THE INDUSTRY MINISTER IS READING THE LINES FROM THE PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE IS HOW I WOULD
00:00:49READ THAT. >> Rosemary: YEAH.
00:00:52CHARELLE, IT ALSO SOUNDS LIKE MR. GONCALVES IS READY TO GO TO
00:00:55COURT IN THIS CASE. AND I DON'T KNOW POLITICALLY
00:00:59WHETHER THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. BUT, I MEAN, THE GOVERNMENT
00:01:02CAN'T JUST SIT THERE AND LET THIS UNFOLD. >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
00:01:06I WOULD SAY THAT POLITICALLY IT
00:01:09ACTUALLY MIGHT BE THE BETTER OPTION.
00:01:12BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YES, THERE'S THE TIME ELEMENT OF IT.
00:01:15HOW DO YOU SUPPORT THE WORKERS. THAT'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY.
00:01:17BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE SEEN TO
00:01:19BE LOOKING TO ENFORCE THE DEALS THAT ARE MADE.
00:01:23AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE
00:01:25JUST LINGERING IN THE WIND. >> Rosemary: YEAH. >> YEAH.
00:01:29IT COMES BACK DOWN TO, YES,
00:01:32PEOPLE KNOW THAT DEALING WITH DONALD TRUMP IS NOT NECESSARILY
00:01:36A LINEAR BLACK AND WHITE SORT OF THING THAT HAPPENS.
00:01:39AND POLLING SHOWS THAT CANADIANS
00:01:42GENERALLY SUPPORT HAVING NO DEAL WITH THE U.S. VERSUS A BAD DEAL.
00:01:46BUT WHEN THINGS AREN'T -- AREN'T
00:01:50POLITICAL OR PATRIOTIC POSITION, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO PEOPLE WHO
00:01:53ARE ACTUALLY AFFECTED IN TANGIBLE WAYS LIKE LOSING THEIR
00:01:56JOBS OVER THANKSGIVING, HOW DO YOU SUPPORT PEOPLE. >> Rosemary: YEAH.
00:02:00>> THEN, YOU KNOW, THE POLITICAL QUESTIONS.
00:02:03DO WE PUSH THE COMPANY TO SELL?
00:02:05DO WE NATIONALIZE THINGS IS
00:02:09NEVER A STRAIGHTFORWARD APPROACH. >> Rosemary: NO. >> IT PUSHES ABOUT -- WHERE THE
00:02:13GOVERNMENT WANTS TO SPEND ITS MONEY. WHAT IT WANTS TO SPEND ITS MONEY
00:02:16ON. SHOULD THE FREE MARKET BE SUPPORTING IT? OBVIOUSLY IT CAN'T. LOOK AT CANADA POST.
00:02:20YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, WHY IS IT MAKING MONEY?
00:02:24IT'S REALLY A LOSE-LOSE SITUATION AT THAT POINT. >> Rosemary: YEAH.
00:02:27>> YOU WANT TO TRY TO MITIGATE
00:02:28THE DAMAGE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
00:02:32>> Rosemary: THE C.E.O.'S POINT WAS WE SAID WE'D KEEP THE SAME
00:02:35NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. WE DIDN'T SAY IT WOULD BE THE SAME EVERY YEAR, WHICH I DON'T
00:02:39KNOW LEGALLY HOW VIABLE THAT IS.
00:02:43IT'S A BIG RED FLAG ABOUT SELLING THESE KINDS OF COMPANIES
00:02:46TO AMERICAN COMPANIES AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
00:02:49IT'S JUST -- IT'S MAYBE NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING.
00:02:52>> YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S A TOUGH ONE.
00:02:54BUT, I MEAN, ESPECIALLY THE PRIME MINISTER, YOU KNOW, JUST A
00:02:58MONTH AGO WAS HAVING THIS BIG INVESTMENT SUMMIT HERE IN TORONTO. >> Rosemary: THAT'S RIGHT.
00:03:02>> AND SAYING CANADA IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
00:03:03SO IF YOU TURN AROUND AND NATIONALIZE STELCO OR FORCE THE
00:03:07SALE OF STELCO AND I DON'T KNOW
00:03:09A CHINESE COMPANY BUYS OR -- >> Rosemary: YEAH.
00:03:12>> LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF
00:03:14BAD SIGNALS FOR CARNEY TO THE WORLD.
00:03:18TRANSMITTED TO THE WORLD IF IT GOES THAT WAY. IF THERE'S KIND OF SOME KIND OF
00:03:22A FORCED SALE. BUT, I MEAN, THERE IS A LOT OF
00:03:26POLITICAL PRESSURE ON JOLY AND
00:03:27CARNEY TO GO TO COURT.
00:03:30PIERRE POILIEVRE WAS IN BURLINGTON ON FRIDAY WITH THE
00:03:34STELCO IN THE BACKGROUND IN HAMILTON AS THE BACKDROP.
00:03:36AND SAYING HE EXPECTED AT 5:00 A.M. TOMORROW THEY SHOULD
00:03:40BE FILING THE LAWSUITS AGAINST THE COMPANY.
00:03:43SO THERE IS POLITICAL PRESSURE ON THE GOVERNMENT.
00:03:46BUT AGAIN THERE'S 500 WORKERS. THAT'S 500 FAMILIES.
00:03:50IT'S THANKSGIVING WEEKEND. CHRISTMAS IS SOON HERE. IT'S JUST A REALLY, REALLY
00:04:01SHAW. >> AS THE B.C. CORRESPONDENT ON THIS PANEL, I WILL POINT OUT
00:04:04STEEL IN BRITISH COLUMBIA IS LESS OF AN ISSUE, BECAUSE IT
00:04:07CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY STEEL FROM ONTARIO.
00:04:11IT WANTS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO RELAX THE IMPORT ON STEEL
00:04:14TARIFFS SO THAT IT CAN BRING STEEL IN.
00:04:17AND WE WRESTLE WITH THIS ISSUE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA AS WELL IN
00:04:21FORESTRY. WHERE AMERICAN COMPANIES MOVE
00:04:24THEIR ILMILLS DOWN HERE TO REINVEST IN THE UNITED STATES.
00:04:27IT'S A BROADER ISSUE THAN JUST THE STEEL SECTOR.
00:04:30AND IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTS TO INTERVENE ON AMERICAN
00:04:33INVESTORS, THERE'S WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SECTORS COULD
00:04:36CHOOSE TO DO THAT IN, INCLUDING FORESTRY. >> Rosemary: YEAH.
00:04:39WE CAN'T NATIONALIZE EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
00:04:56>> Rosemary: ALBERTANS JUST DAYS AWAY FROM A REFERENDUM WHICH WILL ASK THEM, AMONGST OTHER
00:04:59THINGS, WHETHER THEY WANT THE PROVINCE TO REMAIN IN CANADA. I'LL SPEAK WITH THE PROVINCE'S
00:05:03FORMER PREMIER ABOUT WHY SHE BELIEVES THE CURRENT PREMIER HAS
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00:07:57>> Rosemary: ALBERTANS JUST
00:07:58EIGHT DAY ACE -- DAYS AWAY FROMA
00:08:02REFERENDUM. WHETHER TO REMAIN IN CANADA OR
00:08:06BEGIN THE PROCESS OF SEPARATING.
00:08:11SOME OF THE CRITICS LIKE FORMER PREMIER RACHEL NOTLEY SAY
00:08:14SMITH'S ACTIONS LIKE LOWERING
00:08:18THE THRESHOLD FOR CITIZEN-LED PETITIONS HELPED SEPARATIST GET
00:08:21TO THIS POINT.
00:08:22I SPOKE ABOUT THE RHETORIC ABOUT
00:08:31YOU AGAIN. >> HAPPY TO BE HERE. >> Rosemary: I'M GOING TO START
00:08:35WITH THE ONE THAT MAYBE TOOK UP
00:08:37A FAIR AMOUNT OF SPACE THIS WEEK
00:08:39THE ELON MUSK POST ON X. SAYING THAT ALBERTA,
00:08:42SASKATCHEWAN AND QUÉBEC SHOULD ALL SEPARATE FROM CANADA.
00:08:46I WONDER WHAT YOU MAKE OF THAT, A U.S. GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW,
00:08:50OFFICIAL OR EX-OFFICIAL, PEOPLE
00:08:54LIKE MUSK ARE INFLUENCING CANADIAN POLITICS AT THIS MOMENT?
00:08:58TIME? >> WE ALL KNOW THAT'S INCREDIBLY
00:09:01INAPPROPRIATE AND DISRESPECTFUL.
00:09:04IT'S NOT NEW BEHAVIOUR OUT OF THIS ADMINISTRATION AND SUPPORTERS OF SAME OVER THE
00:09:07COURSE OF THE LAST MANY MONTHS.
00:09:12BUT I THINK THAT FOLKS THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE
00:09:16GAINED FOR ALBERTANS BY
00:09:18SEPARATING OUGHT TO ASK THEMSELVES WHY CERTAIN FOLKS
00:09:22SOUTH OF THE BORDER THINK THEY
00:09:25HAVE SOMETHING TO GAIN FROM ALBERTA SEPARATING.
00:09:28I THINK WE ALL KNOW ALBERTA IS STRONGER WITHIN CANADA.
00:09:32AND I THINK THE EFFORTS BY THE
00:09:34MINORITY OF FOLKS FROM THE U.S., WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING
00:09:37CANADA WEAKENED SHOULD DELIVER A
00:09:42MESSAGE TO ALBERTANS ON THE FENCE THAT, IN FACT, ALBERTA IS
00:09:44STRONGER WITHIN CANADA. >> Rosemary: THIS HAPPENED, OF
00:09:47COURSE, THE SAME WEEK THAT WE SAW THIS REPORTING FROM "THE
00:09:50GLOBE AND MAIL" THAT SHOWED THAT ALBERTA SEPARATISTS MET WITH
00:09:54STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS THREE TIMES. AND THAT NOT ONLY MET WITH THEM
00:09:57AND TALKED TO THEM, BUT SAID, HEY, IF YOU WANT OUR WATER, OUR
00:10:01RESOURCE ROYALTIES, WE CAN DO THAT FOR YOU IF YOU HELP US.
00:10:05WHAT DID YOU -- MAKE OF THAT RET
00:10:09THAT ALBERTA SEPARATISTS ARE SEEKING SUPPORT FROM PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES?
00:10:12>> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S
00:10:17PROFOUNDLY IRONIC. I MEAN, HERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE
00:10:20COMPLAINING OVER THE FACT THAT
00:10:22THEY PERCEIVE -- OR OTTAWA TAKES
00:10:25TOO MUCH OUT OF ALBERTA AND
00:10:28THEY'RE PLANNING TO FINANCE THEIR DEPARTURE FROM CANADA BY
00:10:32TAKING EVEN MORE TO ALBERTA'S
00:10:34WEALTH AND GIVING IT TO A
00:10:38SOURCE, WHICH IS EVEN FARTHER
00:10:40AWAY FROM ALBERTA, OVER WHOM WE HAVE LESS CONTROL IN AGENCY.
00:10:44SO IT REALLY GOES TO SHOW THAT
00:10:46IT'S NOT ABOUT GROWING THE BEST
00:10:50OUTCOMES FOR ALBERTA CITIZENS. IT'S RATHER ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
00:10:54SMALL GROUPS OF PEOPLE THINKING THAT THEY HAVE MORE POWER AND
00:10:58DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIPS. SO, ANYWAY, BUT ALSO OF COURSE
00:11:02IT'S DEEPLY INAPPROPRIATE. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT AGENTS OF
00:11:05THE GOVERNMENT. >> Rosemary: YEAH. >> IT'S HARD TO SAY.
00:11:07AS A WHOLE, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING
00:11:10AT WHETHER THERE'S A LEGAL FRAMEWORK TO PUT IN PLACE TO
00:11:13LIMIT THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY. THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO CAPACITY
00:11:16TO MAKE ANY KIND OF PROMISE LIKE THAT.
00:11:20BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT ANYBODY TOOK THE TIME TO FAKE
00:11:24THEIR MEETINGS -- TO TAKE THEIR
00:11:28MEETINGS. >> Rosemary: YOU KNOW PREMIER
00:11:29SMITH FACED CRITICISM THROUGH THIS.
00:11:33LOWER THE THRESHOLD FOR CITIZEN-LED PETITIONS ON SEPARATION.
00:11:36SHE HAS A VARIETY OF OTHER QUESTIONS ALBERTANS ARE BEING ASKED.
00:11:40JUST CHOOSING TO PUT THIS QUESTION ON THE TABLE.
00:11:43DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WAS A MISTAKE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY SHE THINKS
00:11:47THAT THIS IS -- SHE HOPES THAT THIS WILL SORT OF CLOSE THE
00:11:51CONVERSATION IN ALBERTA.
00:11:53>> WELL, I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE THAT POSITION THAT
00:11:57OBVIOUSLY SHE HOPES BECAUSE SHE SUPPORTS CANADA.
00:12:00BUT HONESTLY I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT THAT IS THE CASE.
00:12:04I THINK SOMEBODY THAT SUPPORTS CANADA WOULD DO A MUCH BETTER
00:12:07JOB OF SUPPORTING ALBERTA
00:12:10STASTAYING IN CANADA THAN THIS PREMIER HAS.
00:12:13WHEN THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD, EVERY TIME SHE'S COMPELLED TO
00:12:16MAKE A DECISION ON THE MATTER, SHE'S MADE A DECISION THAT
00:12:18SUPPORTS THE SEPARATISTS OR SUPPORTS HER OWN PATH TO
00:12:22RETAINING POWER.
00:12:23BUT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES HAS
00:12:26SHE EVER DONE ALBERTA REMAINING IN CANADA.
00:12:30THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS, DANIELLE SMITH HAS VERY CLEARLY PAVED THE
00:12:34WAY FOR THE SEPARATIST QUESTION ALL ALONG.
00:12:37SHE'S NOT IN ANY WAY HOLDING HER CAUCUS OR HER PARTY TO ACCOUNT
00:12:41FOR THE FACT THAT THEY ARE
00:12:44PURSUING A SEPARATIST AGENDA.
00:12:46AND ON TOP OF IT, THIS IS TURNED
00:12:50OUT TO BE A HUGE DISTRACTION
00:12:53FROM OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE SQUARELY WITHIN THE AREA OF
00:12:56RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT. WHERE THEY ARE FAILING AND
00:13:00ALBERTANS ARE SUFFERING AS A RESULT.
00:13:03>> Rosemary: TO BE FAIR, THE PREMIER DID JUST NEGOTIATE THE
00:13:05NEXT PHASE OF A SECOND PIPELINE.
00:13:08SHE HAS EXTRACTED OTHER THINGS
00:13:10FROM OTTAWA THROUGH THE PAST --
00:13:13SINCE PRIME MINISTER CARNEY CAME
00:13:16INTO OFFICE.
00:13:18IS SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE TRYING TO
00:13:22BETTER THEIR PROVINCE. DOES IT NOT?
00:13:24>> I GUESS -- I MEAN, WHAT I
00:13:29WILL SAY IS THAT THOSE PIECES
00:13:32ARE THINGS THAT -- YES, IT STRENGTHENS -- IT MAY STRENGTHEN ALBERTA.
00:13:36WE'LL SEE. I MEAN, WE'LL SEE WHERE IT ALL
00:13:38ENDS UP AT THE END OF THE DAY.
00:13:41ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT IS
00:13:44TRYING VERY HARD TO RESPOND TO
00:13:47THE CONCERNS OF ALBERTANS THAT
00:13:49HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED ACROSS THE BOARD.
00:13:52AND I THINK IT'S HARD FOR HER
00:13:54NOT TO ENGAGE IN THAT.
00:13:58BUT I DON'T SEE THE CALLING OF THE REFERENDUM AS A STRATEGIC
00:14:01PLOY ON HER PART TO KILL THE ISSUE.
00:14:04I THINK SHE'S BEEN THROWING GAS ON THE FIRE FROM DAY ONE.
00:14:07>> Rosemary: SO, YOU KNOW, THE POLLS RIGHT NOW SUGGEST THAT
00:14:09THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AHEAD.
00:14:12BUT THERE IS CONCERN I THINK
00:14:15THAT IF THE PERCENTAGE IS HIGH
00:14:18ENOUGH, IT WILL GIVE THE MESSAGE
00:14:20THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR
00:14:23SEPARATIST PARTY, A POLITICAL MOVEMENT IN ALBERTA.
00:14:26DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE?
00:14:29DO YOU THINK THAT IT WILL BECOME SOMETHING MORE FORMALIZED THE
00:14:32WAY IT IS IN QUÉBEC?
00:14:36>> I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.
00:14:38RIGHT NOW THE U.C.P. ITSELF IS
00:14:41DOMINATED BY SEPARATISTS. YOU KNOW, EVEN IF ONE TAKES THE
00:14:45MOST GENEROUS APPROACH TO
00:14:47DANIELLE SMITH'S MOTIVATIONS ON
00:14:51THIS, THAT GENEROUS APPROACH
00:14:53SUGGESTS WHAT SHE'S DOING IS
00:14:55SUCCEEDING TO THE DOMINANT INFLUENCES WITHIN THEIR OWN PARTY.
00:14:59THEY'VE BEEN CLEAR THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN ON THIS.
00:15:03I THINK THERE'S A STRUCTURAL
00:15:04PROBLEM IN THE U.C.P. RIGHT NOW
00:15:09BECAUSE THEY'RE HIGHLY CONFLICTED ON THIS MATTER. ROUGHLY 50/50.
00:15:13THE ACTIVE MEMBERSHIP AND THE
00:15:13SUPPORT GROUP.
00:15:20I WISH WE WOULD SEE THE END OF THIS. WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE PATHWAYS
00:15:23FOR THESE FOLKS UNTIL THE PARTY
00:15:30REINVENTING ITSELF OR THE GOVERNMENT CHANGES.
00:15:34>> Rosemary: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO ALBERTANS, SOME OF WHOM VOTE
00:15:37TO GO FORWARD, THEY BELIEVE IT'S A LEVERAGE POINT.
00:15:40THEY CAN SEND A MESSAGE TO OTTAWA THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED.
00:15:43YOU I'M SURE ALSO UNDERSTAND
00:15:47FRUSTRATIONS THAT SOME ALBERTANS HAVE. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM,
00:15:50WELL, I JUST WANT TO SEND A
00:15:52MESSAGE TO THE FEDERAL
00:15:56GOVERNMENT.
00:15:56>> I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY STRO-
00:16:01STRONGLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RECEIVED THE MESSAGE. I DON'T THINK THIS HELPS.
00:16:05I THINK THE MESSAGE BEING SENT RIGHT NOW IS NOT BEING SENT NOT
00:16:08TO OTTAWA, BUT TO INVESTORS
00:16:11AROUND THE WORLD.
00:16:14AND ALSO TO PERSPECTIVE
00:16:17EMPLOYEES. AND AS WELL TO CLIENTS AND
00:16:20CUSTOMERS AND SUPPLIERS.
00:16:22AND THAT MESSAGE IS YOU CANNOT
00:16:25COUNT ON THE STABILITY OF ALBERTA. AND YOU CANNOT COUNT ON THE
00:16:29STABILITY OF YOUR INVESTMENTS IN ALBERTA.
00:16:31SO I THINK THAT THAT -- THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO RETHINK WHAT IT
00:16:35IS THEY THINK THEY'RE DOING WITH
00:16:43FOR YOUR TIME. TO GET THE PERSPECTIVE FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE
00:16:47IDEA OF AN INDEPENDENT ALBERTA, I SPOKE WITH THE CO-FOUNDER OF
00:16:57>> THANK YOU.
00:16:59>> Rosemary: SO YOU ARE VOTING
00:17:02IN FAVOUR THE NEXT STEP FOR
00:17:04THIS, FOR A REFERENDUM ON
00:17:08INDEPENDENCE. TELL ME WHY. TELL ME THE THINGS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT.
00:17:11>> REALLY, MY BIGGEST BEEF AND
00:17:14THIS GOES RIGHT BACK TO THE
00:17:17BEGINNING OF -- HOW WE WERE SET
00:17:20UP IN CANADA.
00:17:21WE NEED FAIR AND EQUAL
00:17:25REPRESENTATION FOR CANADIANS AND
00:17:26WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT.
00:17:30MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT OUR REPRESENTATION IN THE HOUSE OF
00:17:33COMMONS AND THE SENATE IS BASED ON POPULATION. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE HOUSE
00:17:36OF COMMONS, THAT'S ONLY ACTUALLY IN THREE DIFFERENT PROVINCES.
00:17:39ALBERTA, B.C., AND ONTARIO.
00:17:42EVERY OTHER PROVINCE HAS ONE OR
00:17:43TWO SPECIAL CLAUSES APPLIED TO
00:17:48THEIR POPULATION NUMBER. WHICH SKEWS THE FAIR AND EQUAL
00:17:52REPRESENTATION. THAT'S LED TO A LOT OF POLITICAL GAMES THAT HAVE BEEN USED ON THE
00:17:56CANADIAN PEOPLE TO DIVIDE US.
00:17:59AND WE ARE WHERE WE ARE SIMPLY
00:18:01BECAUSE OF THIS ONE FACT. ALL OF THE PROBLEMS ARE A
00:18:04SYMPTOM OF THIS ONE PROBLEM. IN THE LAST FEDERAL ELECTION, WE
00:18:08ADDED SEATS IN B.C., ALBERTA AND ONTARIO.
00:18:11THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE PROVINCES WHERE IT IS STRICTLY POPULATION.
00:18:15BUT EVERYTHING ELSE HAS THOSE SPECIAL CLAUSES APPLIED THAT
00:18:17SKEWS THAT IDEA OF FAIRNESS. >> Rosemary: OKAY.
00:18:21SO WHAT IS IT THAT YOU THINK IS
00:18:24-- WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THEN?
00:18:26DO YOU FEEL LIKE PEOPLE DON'T
00:18:30GET -- ALBERTA DOESN'T GET ENOUGH ATTENTION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
00:18:33I'M JUST TRYING TO BE A LITTLE MORE CONCISE. YEAH.
00:18:36>> WELL, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY IT'S ATTENTION. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S REALLY
00:18:39WHAT IT IS. IT'S REPRESENTATION.
00:18:42OUR VOICES AND OUR OPINIONS ARE,
00:18:46OUR WAY OF LIFE, OUR ECONOMIES
00:18:50DO NOT COUNT AS MUCH WHEN IT COMES TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MAKING CERTAIN DECISIONS AS
00:18:54OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY.
00:18:58AND AGAIN THAT'S A REFLECTION OF THE SYSTEM THAT WE ARE LIVING UNDER.
00:19:02>> Rosemary: AND HOW DOES THAT
00:19:04MANIFEST ITSELF DO YOU THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT ALBERTA HAS OR
00:19:08DOESN'T HAVE OR NEEDS?
00:19:10>> WELL, OUR INDUSTRY, OUR
00:19:14AGRICULTURE AND OUR OIL AND GAS
00:19:17REPUBLICAN OFTEN THE BRUNT OR
00:19:21BLAMED FOR ENVIRONMENTAL
00:19:24CONDITIONS, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE LIVED IN MAJOR OIL AND GAS
00:19:28COUNTRY AND I HAVE WORKED IN AGRICULTURE.
00:19:30AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR
00:19:33STANDARDS -- OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS ARE WORLD CLASS.
00:19:35BUT WE ARE OFTEN BLAMED, YOU
00:19:37KNOW, COWS FARTING AND WE NEED
00:19:47TO HAVE OUR VOICES ACTUALLY HEARD AND COUNTED JUST AS MUCH
00:19:51AS ANY OTHER CANADIANS. >> Rosemary: SURE.
00:19:54>> AND THE FACT THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NOW, YOU KNOW,
00:19:57GREEN LIT ANOTHER PIPELINE, YOU KNOW, I NOTICED THIS WEEK A
00:20:00COUPLE OF JUDGES WERE NAMED IN
00:20:02CONJUNCTION WITH THE ALBERTA GOVERNMENT.
00:20:04DOES THAT KIND OF STUFF CHANGE
00:20:07YOUR PERSPECTIVE THAT THERE IS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT'S LISTENING A LITTLE BIT TO SOME
00:20:11OF THOSE CONCERNS? >> WELL, THOSE ARE REALLY NICE
00:20:15ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT HAVE COME
00:20:16WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF A REFERENDUM
00:20:20ON MOVING FORWARD WITH INDEPENDENCE.
00:20:22SO I HONESTLY I HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME TAKING THEM
00:20:26SERIOUSLY. THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS COULD HAVE BEEN MADE MONTHS AGO BUT THEY WERE SAFE FOR NOW.
00:20:30THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE POLITICAL GAMES THAT GET
00:20:33PLAYED ON THE CANADIAN PEOPLE. ALBERTANS ARE NOT THAT STUPID.
00:20:36WE SEE THROUGH IT. >> Rosemary: DO YOU SINCERELY
00:20:39WANT A REFERENDUM ON INDEPENDENCE AND INDEPENDENCE?
00:20:42OR IS THIS A LEVERAGE MECHANISM, AS IT IS FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE
00:20:46VOTING THIS WAY? >> I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE
00:20:49ALBERTA INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS. AND I'VE TAKEN SIX YEARS TO
00:20:53STUDY THIS OUT.
00:20:55AND I AM TO THE POINT WHERE I
00:20:57DON'T BELIEVE THAT AS ALBERTANS WE HAVE ANY OTHER OPTION. WE HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL OTHER
00:21:01OPTIONS IN TRYING TO GET FAIR
00:21:04AND EQUAL REPRESENTATION WITHIN CANADA.
00:21:05THE REFORM PARTY IS ONE EXAMPLE THAT MANY PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER.
00:21:09WE SENT THEM TO OTTAWA AS THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
00:21:14AND EVEN THEY COULD NOT ACHIEVE
00:21:16WHAT WE WERE WANTING WHEN IT
00:21:19COMES TO THE SENATE BEING EQUAL
00:21:21ELECTED AND EFFECTIVE. >> Rosemary: WHAT WOULD AN INDEPENDENT ALBERTA LOOK LIKE
00:21:25FOR YOU, ANGELA?
00:21:27>> WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
00:21:31ONE, OUR POLITICIANS, THOSE WHO
00:21:34ARE MAKE THE RULES AND ENFORCING THEM WOULD BE A LOT CLOSER.
00:21:37YOU KNOW WHAT, MY COUNTY COUNCILLOR LIVES DOWN THE ROAD
00:21:41FROM ME. IF THEY DO SOMETHING I DON'T
00:21:44AGREE WITH, I CAN HAVE A
00:21:48CONVERSATION. MARK CARNEY DOESN'T CARE THAT WE EXIST.
00:21:50AND SO WE NEED -- IT'S JUST A
00:21:53PRINCIPLE OF GOOD GOVERNANCE IS THAT POLITICIANS THAT ARE CLOSE
00:21:57TO THE PEOPLE, GIVING AMONG THE
00:22:01-- LIVING AMONGST THE PEOPLE ARE MUCH MORE ACCOUNTABLE.
00:22:04AT THIS POINT AS ALBERTANS, WE
00:25:29THANKS FOR WATCHING. BYE-BYE.
00:25:32♪♪