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00:00:00manage, it is going to st up anger. if you look at what
00:00:02of even the uh,
00:00:04Jesus the Northern youth council of Nigeria said through the
00:00:08president Isakar yesterday with the statement the
00:00:11of issued, they are rally support for cardinal John and the middle
00:00:15b forum is doing the same thing, so if that
00:00:17of is of happening, you can see that it is already
00:00:19me generating very negative feedback, and that is not good
00:00:23for
00:00:24a sitting president who wants to win re-election. all
00:00:27right, well I think the one with the... pastor div, i think they
00:00:31said it was a prayer walk, not the protest, but
00:00:34that the one with pastor tun, joined the
00:00:37protest, i think
00:00:43a of in ajota area, just to put context, let's go to the guardian newspaper, mr ak uh, is leading with something different because there's nothing to add, i think we've said this
00:00:47over and over again, in fact when we started
00:00:49of this morning, i was just giving my own two
00:00:53cents on some people who move from disagreement
00:00:56with
00:00:58of the the lord spiritual cardinal. kong to literally
00:01:01insult and calling names, which is very, very detasteful and very
00:01:05poor coming from certain persons, you wouldn't expect them to use
00:01:09those kind of words. uh, let's go to the guardian,
00:01:1340% salary incre increase
00:01:16agreement, 57 state versities, others
00:01:19in limbo over selective implementation, the guardian
00:01:23always doing the young man's job, state stagnation and research, 57 state universities in
00:01:27limbo with all
00:01:28of the data, uh, they've displayd in terms of federal gains
00:01:32and many others. what do you make of this story is a page six
00:01:36read on the front page
00:01:38of the guardian? if you can do that in one minute sir. well,
00:01:42that's vintage the guardian. was a deputy editor
00:01:45and ship
00:01:47of of the guardian at the
00:01:48of time. the guardian has
00:01:49a reputation for investigative reports, for using data to test
00:01:52stories, you so, but with the relevance of this story
00:01:56of is not
00:01:56of lost on every worker in Nigeria, even
00:01:59in beyond the university. is uh we all know that the current wages
00:02:03across board you know
00:02:05of whether you civil servant the formal and informal sector
00:02:08of is the purchasing power is low and that is why many
00:02:12Nigerians are being pushed into multidimensional poverty so this
00:02:16a is
00:02:16a relevant story and I think the government has
00:02:18a responsibility to actually interrogate the way structure
00:02:21across board in Nigeria with inflation eating deep and the prices of goods
00:02:25and services of course getting beyond the reach
00:02:29of the average. Nigerian, it's a strategic story that should
00:02:33draw the attention of uh the government in my
00:03:00Okay, there's a video that came out the other day and it
00:03:03was he wasn't holding back, this
00:03:08a of proposal about banning preaching in bosses and hawking, he said the christians are not going to have
00:03:11it, well the senator said, I think
00:03:15of is the senate leader said, didn't bring this, it's been in the law, they just
00:03:19changed the itemization, well whatever
00:03:21it is, the bishop is not having it that Christians will
00:03:25continue to do their evangelical work if that
00:03:45church, they were being persecuted, they were told
00:03:48of not to preach
00:03:50of of again, just like the senate of Nigeria, Federal Republic, now they are telling not to
00:03:53preaching bus, make all the stadium in Nigeria to become
00:03:57a prison, if
00:03:58you want to enforce that law, we are coming or we we
00:04:02break that law. our master told us to go into other
00:04:05world and preach the gospel to every creature. you sit somewhere
00:04:09there and you say we shouldn't preach in boss buses. we will
00:04:13preaching buses, we preach
00:04:16of everywhere of because you are evil, making evil
00:04:19decrease, evil. we will rather obey god than man.
00:04:23that's what our fathers
00:04:24of told them in those days, you better tell them. no pentecostal must listen to
00:04:28that, and the national fellowship on Nigeria, I
00:04:32lead over 65 million people, everybody, go into every
00:04:36taxi, go into every buss and preach, let them arrest
00:04:39us, let them turn national
00:04:42of stadium lagos into prison, I will come there, let them turn
00:04:45national abuja into prison, I'll come, let them build more prison,
00:04:49they will be the one that will go there and they will rot
00:04:52of there, and God will judge
00:04:54of them, you don't go after killers, you don't go after those that are
00:04:58beheading, you don't go after rap. you don't go after
00:05:01kidnappers, you don't go after bandits who are unlawfully
00:05:05carrying arms, you are not going after them, you are going
00:05:09of after us who are preaching gospel of peace that have ch.
00:05:12lives of people, we won't listen to you, you are not
00:05:16god,
00:05:21well bishop Waloke, the national president the pentecostal
00:05:24fellowship of Nigeria joins us live on the program from the ancient
00:05:28city of ibadah, bishop, great to see you
00:06:03has your position changed yet about the comments you
00:06:07made to your church members and to members the
00:06:10PFN as regards.
00:06:19now we will rather obey God than
00:06:22man, preaching the gospel everywhere is
00:06:25fundamental to the Christian faith,
00:06:29everyone that is a Christian today is because he or
00:06:32she had the gospel preached to them, and then they made
00:06:36decision to follow Christ, so if anybody or any
00:06:40group of people is... dealing with that, they're dealing with
00:06:44something that is fundamental to the church,
00:06:47and even the process by which they
00:06:51are come to make the bill is faulty.
00:06:55if you're dealing with something
00:06:57of of public interest, you invite the stakeholders to
00:07:01participate and to hear the view, not that you are passed
00:07:05it and you are presenting it to mr. president for for
00:07:09endorsement and then we're hearing of it, that's very very
00:07:13insensitive now, before going on with that,
00:07:17the constitution of Nigeria guarantees freedom of
00:07:20religion, freedom of speech to every
00:07:23Nigerian, and by our
00:07:26constitution, the Nigeria state
00:07:29is secular state, but the church
00:07:33Nigeria is as come under fundamental
00:07:36threats, existential threats, both
00:07:40from illegal people. and from the system
00:07:44itself, now you go back in in
00:07:47history, you discover
00:07:49that
00:07:54a head of state, I think it was IBB, drag
00:07:57Nigeria into OIC, organization
00:08:01of Islamic country,
00:08:04countries, Nigeria is not an Islamic
00:08:08country, country, now the senate should deal with that, that
00:08:12is... fundamental, not the matter of preaching in bosses,
00:08:16the senate should deal with that and pull Nigeria out of
00:08:19OIC. again, the constitution that we
00:08:23have today was not made by the people of
00:08:26Nigeria, no, it was the military jack boot
00:08:30that was empowered that time that imposed that constitution
00:08:34on us and it is skilled against the
00:08:38church in favor of a particular religion.
00:08:42in that constitution Islam is mentioned hundreds of times
00:08:46and Islam you know sharia
00:08:50and that and the church is not mentioned
00:08:54once, christianity is not mentioned once and
00:08:58Christians in Nigeria are a little over
00:09:0150% the population. Now that is a
00:09:05fundamental matter that this should be dealing with not a flippant
00:09:09thing about preaching in bosses. So
00:09:13and then again now we are being attacked
00:09:16by various violent people, he
00:09:19swap, bokuharm, lakurawa and all of
00:09:23that, all of which stem from islam
00:09:27and they are trying to forcefully make Nigeria an
00:09:30Islamic nation, they are targeting us, killing us in
00:09:34southern cadena, killing us in plateau, killing us in
00:09:38taraba, killing us in Benwe and
00:09:40they are making incursion in to the south
00:09:43from our
00:09:45from karara from from edo and all of
00:09:49that now this is fundamental,
00:09:51the senate is the apex the law making
00:09:55process in Nigeria, they should beginning with fundamental issues like
00:09:59that, they are not dealing with it, they
00:10:01are now tampering with something that is critical to our faith,
00:10:05stopping us from preaching in buses, when
00:10:08our master told us to go into all the...
00:10:13and preach the gospel everywhere our fathers
00:10:17of old, the old apostles, they went
00:10:20everywhere and preach the gospel, now
00:10:23philip,
00:10:24God told: philip in the book of Acts chapter 8 to join himself to the
00:10:28Ethiopian chariot
00:10:30he said join this chariots and preach to that man and the
00:10:33man was key man in
00:10:36Ethiopia. Philipp obeyed and he preached to the
00:10:40man and the man
00:10:42got saved. That's how Christianity came to Africa
00:10:45long before it came to Europe. You are
00:10:49not telling us not to do that.
00:10:51The chariot of those days are the busis of today.
00:10:56I as a person, I've been preaching in buses since
00:10:591975, several people have
00:11:02been blessed, their lives changed,
00:11:06ministers the gospel produce as result of
00:11:09preaching in
00:11:14you are not telling us not to do it, we will preach in
00:11:17buses, so if they want to, if they want to imprison us,
00:11:21let them come and arres all of us, we are coming, we we pray.
00:11:25in buses all right bishop they cannot stop
00:11:34the first part is uh you've mentioned the issue of i think
00:11:37i've we've heard you here on the program where you said you believe there's genocide the
00:11:41government has pushed back to say there's no genocide so there has been that back and
00:11:44forth uh and then the issue just just moment bishop
00:11:48please uh so that i can answer all of it at the same
00:11:51time uh so that's on one hand the other hand they're saying that at
00:11:55who is the senate leader says they did not bring this law, it's not the first
00:11:59time this law has been there, it's been there, so they just changed the itemization, i think from
00:12:03number item 37 to 40 something, so he's been there,
00:12:07lot of nigerians they don't know he's been there, so that's on one hand, i'm
00:12:11talking about some the pushbacks they've uh also brought,
00:12:15now the rational behind this, i think they're also talking about this being
00:12:18distracting to the driver and some the activities the persons who
00:12:22preaching buses, so when you hear all of this pushbacks, how do you
00:12:26respond to it, bishop? now that is absolutely second
00:12:30thought, i've been preaching in buses since 1975,
00:12:34up until now there is no record of any distruction or any
00:12:37accident or any mission as result of
00:12:41preaching in bosses, is a targeted attack
00:12:45against the church, now if the if it's been the statute
00:12:49bef, thank you for bringing it out, let's exponge
00:12:52it from our statute. some other people of other
00:12:56faith, every Friday, they will block roads all
00:13:00across the country and disrupt traffic, they are not
00:13:03dealing with that, they are not dealing with us
00:13:07issues that are bringing peace, that are changing
00:13:11lives, that are turning wicked people to become righteous
00:13:14people, that are turning post to become chase
00:13:17lady, that are turning robbers into
00:13:21becoming preachers, things that are changing lives that are...
00:13:25people that are contributing immensely to the peace and
00:13:29welfare of individuals and the nation, they're not telling us
00:13:32not to do, it's something that God commanded us to do, so
00:13:36if it's been the status before, it's time to exponge it from
00:13:40the statute, and it's time to revisit the
00:13:44constitution, the constitution favors a particular
00:13:48religion against us, the
00:13:51church, and apart from that, there's current. pressure
00:13:55okay, take for example, the the
00:13:58catholic bishops went to visit Mr. President and they
00:14:02had discussion and the man, cat
00:14:06told them told him frank truth that Nigeria is
00:14:09bleeding and we not bleeding, are we not bleeding in
00:14:13Benway, are we not building in katuna, southern cardina, are we not
00:14:17building in goza in b state, are we not building in
00:14:20darapa state, are we not building in kwara, are we not building in New York state?
00:14:25so should anybody attack a catholic bishop
00:14:29for saying that? that is obvious truth, and then he
00:14:33said Nigeria, Nigeria needs
00:14:35economic pressure on them to be relieved, is
00:14:39that not the truth? now you are denigrating
00:14:43them, you you are washing them down, that is unbecoming
00:14:46of a government that cares for the
00:14:50people, this appears like a government that is
00:14:53oppressing the church. and that push back is not
00:14:57sufficient, they should exponge it from the statute, it's our
00:15:01fundamental right, and we are obeying the master, if
00:15:05you want to behead us for preaching the gospel, we are ready, if you want to
00:15:09imp prison for preaching the gospel, we are ready, if you want to make all the
00:15:12stadiums in nigeria to become presidents, we are ready, we will
00:15:16rather obey god than man, that is fundamental to our
00:15:20faith, and we're not going to surrender it, not at
00:15:23all, fathers of old in the scripture, they were
00:15:27persecuted for it, they were in prison, they were killed, they were
00:15:30stored, they didn't back down, no, and
00:15:34we, we will not back down, we will preach. the
00:15:37gospel everywhere our master, our lord
00:15:41and savior Christ commanded us, that's the only command
00:15:45he give to the church, and you are not saying we shouldn't preach the
00:15:49gospel, exponge it from the statute, all right,
00:15:52and go, go beyond the exponding from the statue,
00:15:56go and review the constitution, the current constitution is not our
00:16:00constitution, bishop, constitution, a constitution that mentioned
00:16:04Islam again and again. Yes,
00:16:08so so now we can, yes, I
00:16:11hate, I hate to break your flow of thoughts, my lord bishop,
00:16:15but because we have to squeeze in as many questions as possible, um,
00:16:19when you say behead all of us, the proposed
00:16:22penalty uh, for people who perhaps flat that
00:16:26law is 50,000 uh, that law, according
00:16:30to the argument is from the senates has been there since
00:16:332007, I like the fact that you've brought in the
00:16:36conversation. and around the catholic bishops uh going to
00:16:40uh meet Mr. President and all of that, so it means that the PFN,
00:16:44it looks like the PFN stand is standing side by
00:16:47side uh with the catholic bishops led
00:16:50by uh arch bishop uh Matthew Indagoso
00:16:54who is also the bishop of Kaduna daosis as well um so
00:16:58but there's a argument as to whether or not religious
00:17:02leaders should speak about
00:17:05politics or... stay on the
00:17:09call from our master Jesus on the
00:17:12pulpit, bishop, that's the argument,
00:17:16that, but that argument is faulty, the master
00:17:20told us to pr go into all the word and
00:17:23preached the gospel, and in Mark chapter 16:
00:17:2720, the apostles, they went everywhere
00:17:31and they preach the gospel, that's what the scripture taught us
00:17:35and i just mentioned a e
00:17:38god told philip to join himself to the chariot
00:17:42the Ethiopian unuk, a high official the queen
00:17:46of Ethiopia at that time, and he prayed the gospel to him, and the man got
00:17:50saved and he got baptized, and then you took the
00:17:54gospel to Africa, so we we are
00:17:57commanded not to preach in the church, no, no, no, no,
00:18:01no, to go out
00:18:04everywhere and preach the gospel to, every
00:18:07creature and by saying i'm siding the catholic
00:18:11bishop, the church of Christ is one,
00:18:15there may be many denominations, but we have one
00:18:18faith, one lord, one baptism, the church is
00:18:22one, if they attack the catholic bishop, they are attacking the whole
00:18:25church, if they are saying we shouldn't preach the gospel, they are
00:18:29attacking the whole church, if we are being beheaded, we
00:18:33are being kidnapped, we are being targeted and
00:18:37christian genocide is going on and they are not dealing with
00:18:41it, they are siding with the enemies the
00:18:44church, we they are siding one particular
00:18:47religion, and it is mentioned several times
00:18:51in the constitution the federal republic of nigeria
00:18:55that is supposed to be uh a country that supposed
00:18:59to be um um not bias
00:19:02against religion that supposed to be secular
00:19:06state, it is time to review the entire
00:19:09system, the system is skewed against the
00:19:12church, the constitution is skewed against the
00:19:15church,
00:19:17come in, yes, that is what is saying should be dealing with, not a matter of
00:19:21preaching, we we will break that
00:19:25law, we dear the senate the federal republic of
00:19:29nigeria, we will obey God rather than now, we will break that
00:19:32law, all right, if if i'm be coming, you made a couple of statement, well
00:19:36i don't know what i ever seen or heard anywhere where the Nigerian state said to support one
00:19:40religion over over the other because section 10
00:19:43is in the constitution no I understand what you're saying section 10 talks
00:19:47about the uh secular state of our nation that no state the federation
00:19:51shall adopt any religion I know that Shariah has mentioned about
00:19:55maybe tens of times in the constitution and Christian or
00:19:59Christianity was not mentioned it's over 100
00:20:03times so we get we get to look at
00:20:05the data is not mentioned once yet. but where i'm going
00:20:08to with that, yeah, that is what is should be concerned
00:20:12about, okay,
00:20:13i understand about giving a
00:20:16constitution that is that takes care of all of
00:20:20us, that mentions all of us, it's either you
00:20:24mention all religion or you sp, you expond
00:20:28religion from the constitution, yes, i think you've made that
00:20:32point couple of times, i just wanted to put in
00:20:35context that no official pronouncement from the government
00:20:39to deciding of any religion, but your point is noted, I'm sure they are listening,
00:20:43and that's why we need to be everyone, when I say
00:20:45me, and we, I mean, Nigerians, religious
00:20:49bodies. ethnic nationalities, everybody, political parties have to be part the
00:20:53constitutional amendment, but where I'm going to is what Kelly did asks, my colleague
00:20:57Kelly asks, I think what es and made
00:21:00them generated the salvo and the back and forth between
00:21:04especially the spokespersons the president and some the
00:21:07supporters uh against the bishop, is the
00:21:11fact that the issue of INEc, they
00:21:15made an appeal that the democratic space should be you
00:21:19fair to all, whether ruling or opposition, the
00:21:22president in his remarks had said, all is fair in politics, which did not go
00:21:26down well with lot of people because uh, you have the levels of power in the
00:21:30institution of state and that can be misinterpreted, which can consider abuse of power
00:21:33and is almost an impeachable offense, but where I'm going to is
00:21:37when I've listened to the part the argument, it feels like what makes them
00:21:41uncomfortable, I mean the ruling party and the people in the presidency, that
00:21:45the bishop's position on the neutrality of INEC is on the
00:21:49assumption that inec is already taken sides and they said that is not correct, which is
00:21:53why the president said inec is doing well, is neutral,
00:21:56so should the bishops or the
00:22:00church have commented on the neutrality or otherwise of inex,
00:22:04because that looks like the bone of contention, not necessarily the
00:22:07economy or security. now comment on the
00:22:11neutrality of neck is not a political comment,
00:22:15is moral, because inec is supposed to
00:22:19be, independent of any
00:22:23pressure from the presidency, because the president
00:22:27is member of a party, a political party, so if
00:22:31the catholic bishop says, Mr. President, I next should
00:22:34be independent, that is speaking the truth
00:22:38to power, that is speaking the truth to power, if
00:22:42they are uncomfortable about that, it means there is a hidden
00:22:46agenda, I mean if they are fair and...
00:22:50inec is independent, you just tell them and say,
00:22:54excuse me, Mr. Bishop, inec is
00:22:57independent, our hands are clean,
00:23:00if they now say should be independent and the
00:23:03presidency is reacting against that, it means
00:23:06inec is not independent, and and
00:23:10that is not independent cannot do justice to all
00:23:14Nigerians, Iine does not belong to a political
00:23:18party, no, neck is supposed to
00:23:21regulate all political parties, so when the bishops are saying
00:23:25that, they are not getting to politics, no, they are just
00:23:29saying what is fair, what is just, they are say
00:23:33speaking truth to power, and the government, if their
00:23:37hands are clean, they should be comfortable with that, the fact that they are
00:23:41pushing back, all right, it shows that something
00:23:45is not right, so and the church like i
00:23:48said,
00:23:49is one ' the pentecostals are speaking, the church is speaking, if the
00:23:53anglicans are speaking, the church is speaking, if the catholic is if
00:23:57you attack one you attack all, and now
00:24:00the the sing should deal with all of that, this should deal
00:24:04with the impartiality
00:24:07of, they are not dealing with it, they are dealing
00:24:11with preaching bosses, preaching in the
00:24:14buses, that is changing light, that is blessing people, we have
00:24:18been doing for decades and the be no record of any
00:24:21accident or destruction, this should rise above
00:24:25that, this should deal with matters that are
00:24:28fundamental, we are being killed in caduna, we are
00:24:32being killed, we are shouting christian genocide, christian genocide,
00:24:36the senate is not being the the weight their office
00:24:40to bear on that, they are now attacking us and saying we shouldn't
00:24:43preach the gospel, we will preach the gospel
00:24:46bosses everywhere,
00:24:57there are those who are saying that the reason why the church all of
00:25:00sudden has found her voice is because perhaps the
00:25:04president is Muslim, the vice
00:25:08president is Muslim, and they have gone ahead to say, you what, we're going
00:25:12to retain that ticket in 2027, um, so
00:25:16I don't perhaps if you have comments about that,
00:25:20that's the
00:25:21the the belief in some quarters. my second question would be bishop, i know the scriptures
00:25:24would always say that prayer is the key, mean
00:25:28the are songs, prayer is the key, the are songs, prayer is the key, but
00:25:32bishop, in terms of governance, i am
00:25:36wondering what kind of conversations is the church trying
00:25:40to have with the government the day and even
00:25:43previous governments, because if the senat is saying this was in our
00:25:47in our laws as far back as 2000. and
00:25:50seven, I believe that there's a level of strategic
00:25:54conversations and engagements the church should be having with
00:25:58government the day, there's even the part of
00:26:01lobbing as... well
00:26:03so I'm wondering, I know that prayer is the key bishop, but
00:26:06lobbing, strategic engagements should also be very
00:26:10essential to the church, what you say, bishop,
00:26:14that's correct, and we are praying, in fact we are
00:26:18pushing of prayer more than ever, because let
00:26:22tell you, kylie and your friends, the
00:26:26church is under pressure, why should a
00:26:29nation where we have '
00:26:32Muslims, christians almost at
00:26:36equal number, why should we have
00:26:40Muslim Muslim tickets, but we are not
00:26:44making any issue about that, because four years ago we
00:26:47made noise about it, we spoke about it, we made press
00:26:51statement, we did albatoria, they didn't change, and we
00:26:55didn't want to waste our time on that, the
00:26:59parties are free to choose their candidate.
00:27:03just let all candidates be fair to
00:27:06all, but all indices are showing
00:27:10that they are not being fair to the church, that muslim muslim
00:27:14ticket is one of it, the mention of islam in the
00:27:18constitution many times and no mention
00:27:21of christianity is one of it and it's
00:27:24fundamental, the draging of Nigeria into
00:27:28OIC by IBP and it's
00:27:32is not being reversed, it's one of it, then the targeted killing
00:27:36of Christians by various,
00:27:39numerous, many violent
00:27:42groups, you're talking of f, you're talking of
00:27:46bukaram, you're
00:27:47talking, and all them,
00:27:51they are shouting
00:27:52islamic
00:27:56phrases before they execute, before they keep, even
00:27:59currently this week that is going on, see going on in
00:28:03ben
00:28:05is going on in plateau, so the the church is under
00:28:08pressure and the system is not protecting us,
00:28:12the system is not speaking out for us, the system
00:28:15rather is touching something that is very fundamental, and they are saying we
00:28:19shouldn't preach in buses, now the scene
00:28:23should rise up and protect the church in Nigeria,
00:28:27because we are citizens of Nigeria, we are in
00:28:30millions, we are a little... over half the
00:28:33population and we're under pressure, when we said there is
00:28:37Christian genocide, they are not
00:28:39speaking on our side and they are not acting on our
00:28:43side, they they are denying it, and they're
00:28:46spending billions of our taxpayer
00:28:50money to go and organize lobby in America to
00:28:54promote the lie that there is no christian genocide, killings are
00:28:57still going up and we're not going to stop until the
00:29:01killings stop. "now we will talk to government, if the
00:29:05government is ready to listen, are they
00:29:09invited us for discussion on it, since we have been
00:29:12shouted, we are making moves and we are meeting
00:29:16with brick walls, if they are not giving
00:29:19us opportunity to discuss okay,
00:29:23why has the senate not invited the church
00:29:27representative to speak about accusation of
00:29:31Christian genocide is?" " not something major enough to
00:29:34engage the senate the federal republic of Nigeria, we
00:29:38said the the church is not irresponsible, the
00:29:42church is made up of responsible leaders, we won't speak without
00:29:46fact, the facts are all over the place that the church
00:29:49is being targeted for genocidal
00:30:01the time and and keep saying that they've always push back on the narrative
00:30:05of um genocide, because
00:30:07the the parment will say both christians and muslims are killed, and that's a
00:30:10fact. um, well, whether the issue of genocide
00:30:14or no genocide is always a heated debate at the end the
00:30:18day, but where i'm going to with this, there are christians in the national
00:30:22assembly, daniel buala for instance is a christian from the northern Nigeria, there are christians
00:30:26in the president, the wife the president is a
00:30:35as pfn, just like the catholic bishop try to engage with the
00:30:38president uh directly
00:30:40have you written and you've not been honored to get invitation to
00:30:44you know have some of this conversation and then isn't it time for the
00:30:48Christian community for instance to begin
00:30:52to
00:30:52you know strategize in terms of lobbing in some of this because lobby is
00:30:56part the old thing if you're not comfortable with the law and you want to