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00:00:19of
00:00:21of of
00:00:25of
00:00:42of suspend NYSC long distance deployments
00:00:46for now, life loss cannot be
00:00:52of restored, no certificate, no slogan of national
00:00:55integration, no administrative convenience can bring
00:00:58back a single
00:01:01of soul, that is why every serious society
00:01:04guards
00:01:05of lives jealously, that is how we defend our
00:01:08humanity by going over and above what is
00:01:12routine to protect what
00:01:14of is of irreplaceable. this is the lens with
00:01:18of which we must view the kidnapping of youth copers deployed
00:01:22from our state recently, and that has been happening for quite a
00:01:25while, they abducted somewhere in nemostate while in
00:01:29transit. their primary place of assignment,
00:01:32young Nigerians in their early 20s, carrying color up
00:01:36letters, carrying their parents hope and their own
00:01:39aspirations, but rudely taken by
00:01:43government on the same road we
00:01:45of mandated them to travel, because Nigeria
00:01:49of summoned them. This is not new, and that is why it
00:01:52is becoming even more of a worry,
00:01:56of daming one. We have seen it before in 2020.
00:02:00eight aquibon graduates on their way to shokoto for
00:02:04orientation were kidnapped in zanfara and spent weeks in
00:02:08captivity. in 2022, coppers from ananbra were
00:02:11attacked in the
00:02:12of northwest corridor. in 2021, coppers from
00:02:16Undo, heading to the north were
00:02:18of abducted and striked on the highway. the
00:02:22of pattern is clear, the danger is documented and the fear is
00:02:25real, there is apprehension in every home where a copper
00:02:29leaves. ending to motor park in Nigeria to answer
00:02:33the call
00:02:33of the federal government. The truth is that in today's Nigeria
00:02:37there is sterol on every long distance road,
00:02:41all the fear of it, you cannot compare what
00:02:45of you of cannot protect. Road travel in Nigeria
00:02:49today is a gamble with
00:02:51of death. For the most part,
00:02:53the federal government mandate a young citizen to travel 800
00:02:57kilometers across three geopolitical zones. by
00:03:00roll to
00:03:02of fulfill compulsory deployment, then the
00:03:05federal government must assume the sacred
00:03:09of moral a duty to guarantee that citizen safety. is
00:03:13as simple as that. if the federal
00:03:16government cannot guarantee that security, then the federal government
00:03:19has lost the moral right to compel the
00:03:23journey to continue to force long
00:03:27distance deployments under present institute. authority
00:03:30is inimical to the santity of human
00:03:34life, and that is why we say today that the federal government
00:03:38should
00:03:39of suspend long distance NYSC deployment at
00:03:43least for now.
00:03:45now having said that, let us also comment the
00:03:48of recent board move by the government to
00:03:51of reform the entire NYC. in June earlier this
00:03:54year, the federal executive council approved the
00:03:57of biggest overhold
00:03:58of the scheme system. a technology
00:04:02of driven call up,
00:04:04of a six week orientation, skill based posting align to
00:04:07graduate field of experience, a
00:04:10a of civilian director general, and most importantly risk
00:04:14sensitive deployment. this is visionary and long
00:04:18over deal, and we comment the government for doing this, it shows that the
00:04:22government is actually listening, but
00:04:25a reform that talks about risk sensitive deployment
00:04:29without fixing the most dangerous path, that is the long
00:04:33unprotected road travel to get to that deployment is
00:04:37of incomplete.
00:04:38it protects the destination but ignores the
00:04:41journey, and it is on the journey that our children are
00:04:45being kidnapped. if the reform is truly to be
00:04:49investment in our greatest asset, the young people,
00:04:53as minister ay said, then
00:04:57the security of travel must be, at the heart of
00:05:01it, not a foot not. so to
00:05:04conclude, what must be done? number one, suspend
00:05:08all long distance
00:05:09of deployments for now, meanwile in... meant the
00:05:13risk sensiting deployment principle already approved by
00:05:16f. for the next two service years deploy copers
00:05:20within their geopolitical zones so that we
00:05:24can save lives. proximity is
00:05:27security. number two, make same travelle a
00:05:31call pillar the reform the
00:05:33HMYC. act amendment now before the attorney
00:05:37general the federation must include a statutory obligation
00:05:41for save transport. station, no more
00:05:44loan, unprotected road journeys, there should be
00:05:48centralized security escorted convoys or
00:05:52fully tracked charter busis and where
00:05:55distances are extreme subsidized air or
00:05:59rail passage should be mandatory. this
00:06:03is the missing piece the welfare package for coppers.
00:06:07number three, there should be rescue
00:06:10first and then reform. "the first test the new reform
00:06:14spirit is to bring those or your couples home
00:06:17alive. the NYC was created to build
00:06:21national unity. unity cannot be built on the
00:06:25coughings of our young people. if you cannot protect them on
00:06:29the road, let us not deploy them far. let them
00:06:33serve their own alive, save
00:06:37and productive, because life lost
00:06:40cannot be restored.
00:06:52back to inside sources uh, today I'm leading the show with a
00:06:55conversation with the presidential candidate the social
00:06:58democratic party is been here before uh somebody that has
00:07:02been going out meeting the real people in my view, I
00:07:06wanted to have a conversation with him in terms the kind of
00:07:10experiences that is having, what are the people? saying regarding the
00:07:132027 presidential election and few other things
00:07:16so i like to welcome back to inside sources prince
00:07:19ad praise good to see
00:07:23you again good to see you here and may god bless nigeria yes
00:07:27amen so so uh let's start from the kind of
00:07:30engagement that i observed that you've been having i
00:07:33remember that when the president went
00:07:36to uh i think it was uh jos
00:07:40last yes yes yeah uh and he stopped at the
00:07:44airport, you went further to meet the
00:07:47people, other places, exactly, now, but I've also
00:07:51noticed that you are, you have also been moving around, you
00:07:54know, uh, trying to have engagement with
00:07:58the real people, but I wanted to ask you
00:08:00that, in your view, do you
00:08:04think those people are really ready to come
00:08:07out uh, to vote, compared to
00:08:11what we normally have that you have quite a few people who
00:08:14are susceptible to to to
00:08:17being uh,
00:08:19you know, quote and quote, vote b,
00:08:22you know, 5,00 n, you, is your
00:08:26engagement, does it include the the
00:08:30people in the middle class, or I like to tell us what is different
00:08:33in the way that you are doing politics in your whole articulation, because
00:08:37I, I observe quite a few
00:08:40differences, first,
00:08:43because I am not just interested in civilian
00:08:47rule, I'm interested in democracy,
00:08:51and the prefix to democracy is demo, the people,
00:08:55yeah, and what is lacking in Nigeria
00:08:59is the participation the people, the people of
00:09:03Nigeria don't live in the same country as people
00:09:07in power, and when you talk the middle
00:09:10class, if you calculate - economy will have
00:09:14the econometrics the excluded
00:09:17middle, that is why our economy doesn't work, there's no middle class
00:09:21anymore, so it's the econometrics the excluded
00:09:23middle, so and to get the excluded
00:09:27middle to be
00:09:30included, you need to
00:09:33get the people themselves who are the baseline people, yeah,
00:09:37to be interested in the politics,
00:09:40now I don't want to go back. to f in history,
00:09:44even our independence struggle was
00:09:47elitist, majority the people in the
00:09:50communities, the villages just thought, okay, the
00:09:54educated people, the British have
00:09:57issues, and there was no much difference between the
00:10:01two, and it's not like the mau movement
00:10:05of Kenya, it's not like the Southern African serious
00:10:08battles where in the fight for independence
00:10:12you come you will have lost a son or daughter, you have had an
00:10:16uncle went to prison, you will have had running battles in your
00:10:19community,
00:10:21so someone in order um...
00:10:25or half year just knows that oh they've got independence and the
00:10:29white man is living and some black folks are taking over taking over and you
00:10:33jack down and green white green up and then over time
00:10:37there's no difference in their lives so they don't live in that country they live in
00:10:41Nigeria as geographical location
00:10:44for the struggle their biology I have
00:10:48to feed I have to feed my family I have to defend myself
00:10:52I have to run away from bandits I have have to have
00:10:56to have sustainance over my head, i'm doing
00:10:59all of this on my own occasionally, if there
00:11:03something useful in my community,
00:11:05the big man will come, codon us off and send us
00:11:08away, or as the present leadership is doing
00:11:11nigeria, they will send bandits to shase you away, the government will not
00:11:15come and negotiate with you anymore, say we found these minerals in your
00:11:19place, we want to come and exploit you, what can we do for you, they will not do that, the
00:11:23forgot about the mining act, forgot about they just send all
00:11:27these people and pretend that they don't know who they are, chase you away and they start to steal out the
00:11:30material, so on the politics
00:11:34is the is the ultimate art
00:11:38of elite arrival, when you
00:11:41want to announce yourself that you are the apex the elite, you
00:11:45just gather resources and say i'm running for a big
00:11:48office uh hire virtually everybody almost
00:11:52everybody flying with you, you are paying their way. you're buying their
00:11:56clothes, you're feeding them, so it's like a fan's
00:11:59club, the way all the empire we used to have it
00:12:02call, where you if you are
00:12:06wealthy in those days in Europa land, you could set up your
00:12:09own theater troop and then you have their own
00:12:12mascarade and then you go around town, you are
00:12:15expressing we call them in those
00:12:18days history, so that is what you're doing politics, so the
00:12:22common man doesn't feel that the... the
00:12:26disagreement between me
00:12:28and
00:12:32between me and has to do with him to do with
00:12:35him, is that why in your own view they are susceptible to being
00:12:39bought? that's
00:12:40what is they are - they consider irrelevant and they are pathetic and
00:12:44they are those being bought are part the
00:12:48concept, they hire troops, so you hire someone to sing for
00:12:52you, you hire them to campaign for you, you h them to go on radio
00:12:56or tv and speak for you, you also hire them to organize voter, you also
00:13:00hire the voters to vote, so it's a it's a
00:13:04politics that looks more
00:13:07like what happened in 19th century
00:13:10where companies were formed in
00:13:14London, Liverpool to go to Africa or Asia, East
00:13:18India Company Orger company go and take over to go and
00:13:22take over the place, so everybody working including Luga. was an employee of
00:13:26a company, so they go there and take over the territory, that's
00:13:29what tinubu and the likes and all the people are doing, which is that
00:13:33with form of a political party which is like royal energer
00:13:37company, we hire people to come and work for us, some for violence, some
00:13:41for their eloquence, some for their
00:13:43organizability, some for other things and
00:13:47then we took over the economy and we appropriate to
00:13:51ourselves, so the people of Nigeria therefore as still
00:13:55living under Chinu, the way they lived under
00:13:59Tom Goldi, the way they live under Lugad, and there
00:14:02the short interragunum the first republic where
00:14:06our people had true leaders, the
00:14:09leaders could not agree among themselves about national
00:14:12philosophy, eventually they got killed and the rest
00:14:16them now, but but the but your point is that they had resonance with
00:14:20their people, those ones had resonance because they had to go back
00:14:24to the people. for the continuation
00:14:28of existence in in power,
00:14:31okay, but since 1966 to
00:14:35date, maybe about 1993, nobody is
00:14:39interested so far taking their mandate from the
00:14:41people, and what i thought i could contribute to
00:14:45politics is to go back to the people and try
00:14:49to bridge the gap between the concept of
00:14:52nigeria and the elite concept of. Nigeria
00:14:56the elite concept of Nigeria is a country where
00:14:59you feel entitled
00:15:01for such a little contribution
00:15:04to gain accolates for
00:15:08writing one or two papers you want to be a professor or hanging around
00:15:12the ministry you want to be a permanent secretary for doing one or two exercises in
00:15:16the military you want to be a general because you are the only general no general has come
00:15:20from your state so they will force you to be made a general if somebody dies you get
00:15:23promoted so the least can be professor of messy and he has
00:15:27no clue about any solution he has found for anybody,
00:15:31so everybody is entitled to take out the country,
00:15:35nobody is willing to contribute to the... country that much,
00:15:39so now we thought that okay, the on people have stakes
00:15:42in the country who are to have the highest states
00:15:46are not participating and the elite are not ready to make
00:15:49contribution, there are some countries in america you see the have
00:15:53different generations, yeah they
00:15:55have what they call the greatest generation, yeah those who could die for
00:15:58something that is for the country, yeah those who at
00:16:0219 would jump on top of bomb to save their
00:16:05own platoon. you then you have another
00:16:09generation who went to fight in
00:16:12vietnam, you have another generation that is devoted to civil
00:16:16rights, so this if you look at
00:16:181960, the generation that went for
00:16:21independence, then we had another
00:16:24generation that fought for return of
00:16:28civil civil rule, return to civil
00:16:30rule, and lost
00:16:34his life in the process even though that was all post for himself at the
00:16:38beginning, then you had so
00:16:41many them countless and you
00:16:44had cat,
00:16:47even ubasani who has
00:16:51not moved
00:16:52into something i can't recognize anymore, so you have such
00:16:54people frank kokori
00:16:58and so
00:17:01many obiora, so many people
00:17:05now since 1999 'm you have a
00:17:09stand for nothing is elite, so if you are going
00:17:13to be arguing with the elite for a long
00:17:17time, you will not get it, i thought the best to do is go back to the
00:17:21people and get them reconciled with the notion
00:17:24that yes you are doing lot through self help, but it
00:17:28will be better for us to organize ourselves as a country and try to build
00:17:32a civilization for ourselves, try to build a state for
00:17:36ourselves and try to organize a politics that will allow
00:17:39a state to exist in Nigeria, sovereign
00:17:43state called Federal Republic of Nigeria right, and to
00:17:47also have a civilization, using chapter two the
00:17:50constitution as a template to arriving at that, okay praise,
00:17:54so the the the other question round that is,
00:17:57you know, what kind of feedback are you getting
00:18:01you, which is what I'm trying to get to, are you are you able
00:18:05to mobilize those people? understand that this is this is their
00:18:09future that they have to be there are four reactions i'm
00:18:12getting reaction number one guess
00:18:16is like oh there still nigeria we are relevant
00:18:20in this thing you guys
00:18:22do you just want to votes so the first thing
00:18:25is just assume you are first reaction to assume that you are one
00:18:28the mobile companies the
00:18:32replacement the replacement come periodically to come
00:18:36and would wink them votes, but when they listen to the deep
00:18:39conversation and the number of times that we come, they realize that we're
00:18:43trying to get something greater than than themselves out
00:18:46them, and then the the next is
00:18:50to define the country from their own
00:18:54perspective, and when you get introduced to Nigeria like
00:18:57that, I discover that many of
00:19:01our leaders are bound to fail because they don't even know the
00:19:05people that they are. company so they
00:19:09think, okay, then you get introduced to the
00:19:11country from the perspective of fellow
00:19:14countryman of country woman who is living in
00:19:18different corners of nigeria from yours and who
00:19:22does not know that there's
00:19:23a government in place, is that the second response? yes,
00:19:27that's talking about the four responses, yes, the third one is
00:19:30that they tend to now connect the
00:19:34dot between their experiences where... they
00:19:37are to the experiences of other people who you relate to
00:19:41them to say, oh this problem you have is also the problem they
00:19:44have at the other end and these other people there is other side there is
00:19:48actually having it better right, and then the fourth
00:19:52is that they stand to now agree to organize
00:19:56m, they now begin to say
00:20:00okay so what can
00:20:01we do, how can we organize and then they get feedback, so it's
00:20:05a
00:20:07process that... the way we are doing it, they now have a connection, there
00:20:11are many Nigerians, at least in my own honest
00:20:14view, there are at least two million Nigerians that
00:20:18through my own effort
00:20:22be discovered that president, they discovered,
00:20:25yeah, because they just thought, here's one man in
00:20:29Abuja who we have nothing to do
00:20:31with, and when you now connect the fact
00:20:35that is working for you, is your servant,
00:20:39actually he fits on your money, he sleeves in your
00:20:42house, you cloth him, you pay his transportation,
00:20:46yeah, you mean they didn't know that was president, they don't, there's no reason,
00:20:49don't know and and i can challenge
00:20:53president to go around the country, they didn't know, so you have to tell them that they don't who who the president
00:20:56was, they know that
00:20:57it's a man, okay, they don't see any
00:21:01connection, they will see him the same way they will see king of saudi arabia
00:21:05or see or cameron or the reason why i said that you know
00:21:08just let me make this anecdote prince and then we come back to
00:21:12it because you know i witness something similar that's why wanted to clarify it and for
00:21:16the b of our audience so uh the v president who I
00:21:20work with for eight years went a visit to Bayersate, I
00:21:24think that was disaster, you know, so uh, so the the the
00:21:28governor was then dixing, took him
00:21:32to some the victims, yes, you know, so so the governor was
00:21:36telling the victims that do
00:21:38you know the vice president, of course said
00:21:42that, the vice president, we don't never met, we
00:21:46don't ev vice president, that vice president also has the...
00:21:57yeah so that so now our people are really just
00:22:00completely disconnected, they don't want yes because the
00:22:04selfishness the elite, the way we have done
00:22:08it is to metropolize power and metropolize
00:22:12the economy, that's why they can come on your
00:22:15show shamelessly and say we have grown the reserve up
00:22:19to this amount.
00:22:19'm uh we have the statistics says this, world
00:22:23bank says that, doesn't they don't know their own people, if if you go
00:22:27back to the musings and writings of
00:22:31lugard in those days when frederick lugad used to have this argument
00:22:35with about
00:22:37all of that, and the one the writings -
00:22:41when they were the argument was getting to
00:22:44off, he tough a challenge
00:22:48that all these people are talking'.
00:22:52oh okay and it
00:22:54it said that nationalist that
00:22:58the trusad negroes of lagos and they are
00:23:02speaking for Nigeria, the trsad negroes of Lagos are taking for
00:23:05Nigeria, these are the people who used to send their suit
00:23:09on elder demster ship to Liverpool to be
00:23:13iron and send back and they are speaking of
00:23:16people, so
00:23:20just thought these people don't know what they're doing and and
00:23:24that still persists today, the people in the villa
00:23:28are for agents, is almost himself
00:23:31tourist to Nigeria, wow that's somebody who occasionally yeah
00:23:35visits Nigeria for, it will be equivalent to
00:23:38somebody who studies
00:23:40an open university to write exam
00:23:44we going to talk about about the president
00:23:47specifically you know, but I think this particular... that you describe
00:23:51is is more the systemic disconnection between govern those
00:23:55who govern and the people and it's a deliberate is is
00:23:59result of deliberate policy of exclusion okay but but before we get to that
00:24:03to that one did
00:24:04you get any kind of feedback
00:24:06you know uh you're talking about the four kind that you had from anybody
00:24:10for instance in the southwest and say that i
00:24:12prince you man why are you going against
00:24:16him because quite a lot of uh some of those narratives
00:24:23what i know is that there may be
00:24:25some
00:24:27of
00:24:30president's friends, those are in
00:24:34their company who might be sending that
00:24:37narrative, i saw it when i went efe, decided when they were
00:24:41doing the appointment and people thought we should go and take appointment with the government that
00:24:45people
00:24:45would don't believe in at all, but the average
00:24:48person they don't regard
00:24:52president as yorava person, oh because it doesn't have the
00:24:56character of
00:24:57a yoruba person, oh i see have that, you see
00:25:00your person, i think your person, it's expected at
00:25:04least in public life that you person will be
00:25:07kind, honest, hardwing,
00:25:11transparent, and you could have
00:25:14some assurance, even if you go on the
00:25:16street, they will tell you great
00:25:20father, you're supposed to be a well known quantity and there's a code
00:25:24of conduct, so for could those eas
00:25:26who have made it their duty to go around
00:25:30saying that they don't have a good subject matter
00:25:34to use, you cannot say to be honest, there's no traditional
00:25:38ruler, there's no leader of thought, there's no cludy, there's no
00:25:42affenifer, there's no euro forum, who can go honestly
00:25:46to say person.
00:26:04himself, if you see the quality, you look at the kind of
00:26:07quality of people, even the second
00:26:10republic, if you look at the third
00:26:14republic, look at the quality of leadership, then
00:26:17look at the
00:26:18governor,
00:26:22jacande,
00:26:26if you look
00:26:27around, the kind
00:26:31of person you can... used to quieting other people
00:26:35to say, it doesn't make the standard, but
00:26:39so and not i want to let are not
00:26:41tribalistic, you are not nepotistic
00:26:45and you are not bigoted, no eur
00:26:49person will use a bad example of eura
00:26:52person to inspire his children, he will say
00:26:56that so you think that is a
00:27:00bad example of person, yes and people would not
00:27:03let them be defined by that, but but they voted for him in in
00:27:072023? no, they did not, first you
00:27:10know, no, no, no, look at
00:27:13it, just just
00:27:15happen, 71
00:27:18killed, hundreds team prison in
00:27:21in prison and kefi prison, taking
00:27:24from like extraordinary redition
00:27:28like, so and not the b of...
00:27:32and all of that, and at that
00:27:34time he had not
00:27:38govern, most did not know
00:27:42in government, he was governor of lagos,
00:27:46doesn't live in lagos, okay,
00:27:48what do not business with lagos,
00:27:51so some maybe lagus, but your person, somebody is, what is the
00:27:55business, so
00:27:58now he is now presideding
00:28:02over the affairs of this country, we should a spectacular
00:28:06tragedy of of bad governance, and for your
00:28:10people who have a sense of quality that they even
00:28:13critique, they even critique British
00:28:16rule, they were not satisfied with it, they critique the rule
00:28:20the
00:28:21Allah fins, yeah, critique, so the your people are not the kind of
00:28:24people who will commit suicide together with you because
00:28:28you want to die under bad governors, so they
00:28:31are not going. if they see as they have seen quality
00:28:35people coming out, they r feel inspired that
00:28:39okay, at least it is not
00:28:43only the tragedy the misgovernance that is going to
00:28:47define the polities the southwest,
00:28:49there are other people coming out, all they can worry about is
00:28:52your prospects, the way they are throwing money around, the violence
00:28:56the introducing all the so call structure, how
00:28:59are you going to cop with that, those are the feedback that i get okay? and the rather
00:29:03encourage you to push and to say what is right, to do what is
00:29:06right. i think the where the act
00:29:10of your justice bend is towards the truth. okay,
00:29:14not perfect. all right, so so and mean i think it's
00:29:18reasonable to uh to make that assumption, but the
00:29:21problem that we find in the empirical analysis is
00:29:25that the people involved in that
00:29:28narrative are essentially the well to do.
00:29:32elitest or at least people who have who have
00:29:36attained some self actualization, you understand? those are the
00:29:40people that are so vast and
00:29:43engaged in those uh narrative of which you speak,
00:29:47you know, my own concern is that the
00:29:50ordinary man, how are we going to bring
00:29:54back the connection? you understand?
00:29:57because just a minute prince, because so the
00:30:01way our election. have gone,
00:30:03you know, essentially part the problem that that we have in my view is
00:30:07that the people have been
00:30:10dispossessed, and it's not just recent thing, I think
00:30:14you significantly
00:30:16for for for a large part, I think in 2015 there was a little bit of
00:30:20national clamor,
00:30:21you know, something like that, but I, I, I think there's been
00:30:25such very significant disconnection in this
00:30:28country whereby politicians have.
00:30:32managed how to make sure that those who come out to
00:30:36vote, they are bought, they are their own, they can predict it, they know what
00:30:40we happen, the know that some people are not going to come out, that's the real problem in
00:30:44my view, yeah, is a real problem, but you are solving that problem
00:30:48because people retreat from a
00:30:51mess, but when a mess is coming to where they
00:30:55are retreating to, they have to confront
00:30:57and clear it off, are we at that point, well at that?