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00:00:00administration council of Nigeria to explore how the
00:00:03council
00:00:05in safegards standards in the teaching profession
00:00:07of and what this means for the future of education in our
00:00:13of country? thank you for being our
00:00:17guest this week, thank you and thank you for welcoming us to your
00:00:20office. now I would like you to start by helping
00:00:24us understand the mandate of your agency. um,
00:00:28I want to say a big. thank you for actually um inviting teachers
00:00:32registration council for this interview today
00:00:35um you
00:00:36are in your very comfort zone because teachers registration
00:00:40council of Nigeria um we're in charge of
00:00:43registration of all teachers were in charge of
00:00:47controlling um teaching profession in Nigeria and
00:00:51that is
00:00:51a from early years to tashary level oh okay so
00:00:55we cover quite a lot and I must say um we came under
00:00:59the of 2004, so
00:01:03it is an established agency
00:01:05of under the
00:01:05of federal ministry of education. so how long, how long has it been
00:01:09operational? um,
00:01:10in it's been in operation since 2004, so it's quite
00:01:14old. well, if you want to consider
00:01:172004 to 2026, that's about
00:01:2022 years now. okay, so if you were to outline for us its
00:01:24mandate, what are the things it's set out to do? okay,
00:01:28so to just regulate. regulatory agency is
00:01:32set out to make sure we professionalize teachers,
00:01:36that is the core mandate and standardization
00:01:39of what should be in classrooms,
00:01:42because what standard do you expect teachers to have um
00:01:46from early years to tashary as I
00:01:49of initially
00:01:51of said
00:01:51and with all that what we do at the moment is you will
00:01:55see that we're very very much into um
00:01:58professionalization. first and we actually, mean i joined
00:02:02the agency about 500 days ago, and must say the
00:02:06agency particularly under the renewed dop agenda has
00:02:10come a long way in the last 500 days, because what we do
00:02:13is now we're trying to
00:02:16of eradicate
00:02:16of the fact that we have unqualified teachers in classrooms and that's
00:02:20something that we're working on
00:02:22a that unqualified teachers in classrooms should not be there by
00:02:252027 december so there is um so we've
00:02:29a actually putting quite a lot of strategies in order to be able to
00:02:33achieve this,
00:02:34a but the question you will ask me is runke, but what about those teachers that are not
00:02:38education specialist, what do you do with them, are you going to get rid
00:02:42of them, who is going to be teaching our children, because particularly in some
00:02:45regions of Nigeria, if I take the southwestern region for example,
00:02:4980% of teachers teaching there are not qualified
00:02:53teachers, particularly
00:02:54in a top
00:02:55in a private schools, but at the same time under the renewed up agenda
00:02:59you see the president would always give access to
00:03:03good education, so what he has actually made us to do under the
00:03:06ministerial um guideline is that um you will see
00:03:10that there's accelerated teacher professionalization
00:03:13of pathway, that is an initiative that has come from education, from the federal
00:03:17ministry of education, because with this particular agency
00:03:21we work collaboratively with quite a lot of other agencies, so what
00:03:25we're doing at the moment for that ATPP is um we're
00:03:29working collab. actively with the um nigerian teachers institute
00:03:33in caduna and with that what we're saying is all teachers that
00:03:37are not professionals must actually come and get
00:03:40trained so there is six months uh program on this
00:03:44with
00:03:44of this particular six months program is going to help lot of children um
00:03:48because you can be the best graduates sir you can be a first class
00:03:52graduate it doesn't make you to be the
00:03:54of best teacher don't forget that every child
00:03:58um there are three different families and classroom, you've got the children
00:04:01who are working above the cognitive ability level, who are gifted, they
00:04:05might be talented as well, so they can be gifted and talented, you've got the middle
00:04:09ability, you've got the less able children, how do we actually use
00:04:13pedagogy to bring
00:04:15of learning to every child, because every child under the renewed hope
00:04:18agenda, whether public school, whether private schools, everybody is very
00:04:22important to Mr. President, so what we're
00:04:27of of in saying is let's bring the ATP now, because within the six months they will do a lot but mean we've done
00:04:31the content and the curriculum for this so that it can there are so many
00:04:35things happening at at the moment in education and that's why
00:04:38of nobody can just come into education and say oh mean and
00:04:42i want to really say
00:04:43of thank you to our school leaders because everybody mean what we did in the
00:04:47last 500 days under what TRCN is supposed to be
00:04:51doing
00:04:52of is we reviewed our council because who sits on the
00:04:55council who sits on the board of TROCN it has to be the
00:04:59state.
00:05:00a callers that are seriously in need of this particular support,
00:05:04of so within the council we have
00:05:06of corrupted um leaders of private schools, leaders of
00:05:09different, mean public school.
00:05:12leaders so for every region there's a commissioner that is
00:05:16representing the region and so about 30 of us most the
00:05:20things that we're doing we're doing it together so that's
00:05:24an ATPP but the number one thing is for us to
00:05:26professionalize teachers we need every teacher to be regulated and
00:05:30for them to be regulated that means every teacher must have the
00:05:34correct requirement that is you must be an educationist
00:05:38you must have NCE or maybe BH or you must have a PG
00:05:42de or PDE and um with that is making a lot of teachers
00:05:46to actually come in now because now it cannot be business as usual
00:05:50again um I'm sure if you go to the hospital you won't allow
00:05:54doctor that hasn't got license to to to actually deal with
00:05:57you because you be saying oh this you are quart doctor so why do
00:06:01allow teachers that are not licensed to come to classroom okay but
00:06:05but let me get to where you're going now because you've covered a lot of ground and I'm trying to
00:06:09be clear um so we're talking first of...
00:06:13for ground zero, you've come up with a policy,
00:06:17but what you've met on ground obviously is that not
00:06:20everybody is qualified, yes, not everybody,
00:06:24because we met um classrooms when we came in
00:06:28to this government, we met lot of teachers in the classrooms without
00:06:31licenses, without certificates, without certificates, without certificates
00:06:35to teach, without licenses to teach and also they have not
00:06:39sat for the professional qualifying exam, beautiful. so
00:06:42now do you have you done like sovy to know how much of a problem that is
00:06:46right now? right? um, we have actually done quite a lot
00:06:49of servie on that, because number one, we had to do the survey of where is
00:06:53education at the moment at all levels and you will see
00:06:57that how did we do that through professional qualifying exam? it made
00:07:01us to know where the gaps are, and not only that, when you
00:07:05look at the learning outcomes, because TRCN has got to look at the
00:07:09holistic result of what's coming out at all levels. at the
00:07:13at the for you mean through the exams, through the exams, because when
00:07:17we look at the YAC results, what's YAC results saying to us, what is the
00:07:21result saying at primary six level, what is the result saying at the
00:07:24early years level, and what's the result saying at the tertiary level, so
00:07:28you have to look at all that, and those are things that will detail into
00:07:32what we do, and so as result, we realize
00:07:36that as soon as we looked at the results, because we did a very good analysis
00:07:40of where education was at May last year
00:07:44okay with my colleagues and when we did that because we had retreat and
00:07:48we look at where education was and when we look at it we realize there
00:07:52were quite a lot of gas number one if teachers are not
00:07:55professionalized is going to affect the feedback of what we're getting to
00:07:59the children because you cannot um and that's why i started with the
00:08:03fact that you can be a graduate of a first class but it
00:08:07doesn't mean you're going to be a good teacher it doesn't translate at all so what
00:08:11we're trying to pr against this, please, you can be a
00:08:15graduate of another area, but at the same time come and do a
00:08:19accelerated teacher professionalization, but you've left where i'm
00:08:23asking, do you have number of what level of on when you talk of
00:08:27those that are alliances or those that qualified, did you get number of how many we have in
00:08:31the country? um, as at that time i think we approximation if
00:08:35you um, well as at that time we had about 1 million
00:08:38plus out of how many out of about because at the moment?
00:08:42on our radia we have about 4 million teachers okay okay if you see what i mean so
00:08:46it's gone
00:08:47a long way because
00:08:48now um with
00:08:50the support of mr uh with dr alausa it's been a brilliant
00:08:54support i must say now and also with the support the heads of
00:08:58agencies and that's why i really want to give couders because when you have the
00:09:02right leadership in place it does impact into what you
00:09:05do so conveniently now i can easily walk to
00:09:09um dr um ribadu who is the head of NUC
00:09:21NCC is in charge of colleges of education, polytechnics we've been working on that with
00:09:25NBTE as well, so it has made everybody to come
00:09:28together to say, we cannot go on with what was happening
00:09:32before, so let me come back to where I'm trying to
00:09:35reach, so out of approximately like 4 million teachers, we
00:09:39have like 1 million that did not have quality. no, we had about
00:09:431 million plus that had qualifications. oh, so the the
00:09:47larger one three quarter like three quarter like 75% the
00:09:51teachers did not did, you know, like it depends, it all
00:09:54varies, because some them have sat for um
00:09:58examination, the PQU exam, but they've never been certified and
00:10:02they've never been um licensed. okay, so we have
00:10:06different ranges of different problems really that we're dealing with, but from
00:10:10that, from identifying that, now putting six
00:10:14months uh so um so that's the final
00:10:18one and that one is only for teachers who are teaching in
00:10:21classrooms at least they've been teaching for like two years okay? been
00:10:25teaching for two years in any of our recognized schools and but
00:10:29they don't have education degrees, so that's what the accelerated
00:10:32teacher program,
00:10:33a professionalization pathway is meant for, it's like an amnesty,
00:10:37so that's what that one is meant for, and is only two-year
00:10:40program, and within that time is expected that everybody,
00:10:44yes should match up, everybody should match up,
00:10:47because that also we have the five
00:10:50cohort, so what we want to do is to target at least 25000
00:10:54teachers. now um within two weeks when we started it about
00:10:5850,00 teachers have registered and um so we're going to have
00:11:01different um cohor to be able to close that gap okay so now this takes care
00:11:05of what you met on ground yes now going
00:11:09forward if somebody wants to enter the profession you have
00:11:13now set a barrier yes okay so um when it
00:11:16comes to when you look sorry because i've
00:11:19got i love taking it from leadership side okay because when you look at
00:11:22the um action points or the action plan from race
00:11:26the president, i think if my memory serves well that page
00:11:3064 was talking about access and what we're saying
00:11:34is how can every teacher in Nigeria access good
00:11:37education to be able to teach our children properly so
00:11:41that's something we're doing so number one will be on access that's something we have done with
00:11:45ATPP another thing is we've actually created a very
00:11:49very good platform a good website and that's
00:11:52trocn.go.ng that was what we did. within the first
00:11:56100 days, because with that, because Nigeria now is more or
00:12:00less like a global village, or the world is like a global village,
00:12:03everybody can access, so that has actually improved
00:12:07standard, because when you go on that website now, the movement, the
00:12:11traffic that we have daily is about 20
00:12:13teachers
00:12:15per day, and also we have um a
00:12:19brilliant call center now where we have to within a
00:12:22service level agreements, if you access questions we have to
00:12:26answer you within 20 within 48 hours, so that is
00:12:29really making a lot of teachers to say, let me come in, let me come and do this
00:12:33now, however we're not fully there yet, because we're still working with the media
00:12:37team, we still have the um rural rural areas, true,
00:12:41and also with the complaints and monitoring that we're doing um
00:12:45feel, mean quite a lot of, must say quite a lot of uh private
00:12:49schools are still not aware, so that's why we're doing lot of
00:12:52monitoring to make sure we create a... lot of awareness, there's a lot of
00:12:56jingles going on at the moment, but the key thing that we're saying is every
00:13:00teacher in Nigeria, if you are in the school teaching, you must be
00:13:04like, you must actually seat for professional qualifying
00:13:07examination, and how do you seat for that? you must have your
00:13:11education degree, where you don't have education degree, go and access
00:13:15ATPP, but at the same time we also expect, I
00:13:18mean when I started, I said we were testing people in 23 subjects,
00:13:22yes, the question we ask ourself when we did that swat analysis
00:13:26was so what, where's the result? how is it impacting on
00:13:30the children? so what we did was to now look at those 23
00:13:34subjects, they were not actually things that are that are so
00:13:37relevant to the needs the children of today, particularly the alpha
00:13:41generation children, so what we did was to now reduce that
00:13:44drastically to five subjects and the five subjects that people
00:13:48seat for now with professional qualifying exam is um that's
00:13:52foundational literacy foundation. literacy because we expect
00:13:56every teacher and don't forget that we have to work with Mr.
00:14:00Minister, the minister has said English has got to be the
00:14:03foundational language now, I mean I'm sure you and I when
00:14:07we went to school we started speaking English right from start and
00:14:10also don't forget that the child that were given birth
00:14:14to, if we don't start them off with English from the early stage,
00:14:18it can affect the future the children, because the only formative stage is between zero
00:14:22to five, so every teacher is supposed to pass. the foundational
00:14:25literacy, foundational numericy, and another
00:14:29thing is you cannot teach alpha generation child without having good
00:14:33skills of digital literacy, and also
00:14:36safety is very parament to us, because what we did at the beginning the year
00:14:40is our major aim is how do we improve standard and how do
00:14:44we also improve safety, so that made us to add
00:14:48safeguarding and trap protection as one the question uh, as
00:14:52one the areas that will test people on, and the last
00:14:54but not list will be safe, mean will be pedagogy,
00:14:58so that and also um TROCN is not all
00:15:02about, oh failing teachers, that's not what we are here for, we want to move
00:15:05education forward, so a website, teachers are aware of it that there's
00:15:09a lot of resources now that we have actually uploaded that they can
00:15:13read, so that the more you read all these particular resources, the
00:15:17better impact it has a children, number one, you have to improve your
00:15:21skills of literacy, you have to improve your skills of numerocy. because
00:15:25if you don't do that, you won't be able to teach other subject, so at the end
00:15:29the day, because we, I mean, part the things that we met in education was the fact
00:15:33that we have classes where people might not be able to
00:15:37communicate. in English and you're teaching the 21st century
00:15:40child and what you don't have can you give it? okay, so
00:15:44while I want us to go along this track, I want to take you briefly along another
00:15:48line. I like what you said about the issue the foundational learning, the
00:15:52issue of English, but
00:15:53you know that argument has come up to be like taking into
00:15:57consideration what we're basically doing is eroding our
00:16:00own indigenous languages, and that I know
00:16:04that argument has come, you are someone that has been... you've walked abroad, you
00:16:08walked across the country, where do you stand on
00:16:12those that say, why can't we also have
00:16:16teaching in our individuals, because we're losing our languages, okay,
00:16:20thank you very much, don't forget we're still very anglophone, yes,
00:16:23we're anglophone, english is a medium of language
00:16:27and our major and is major way of
00:16:30communicating, if you look at um the italian
00:16:33language, yes sorry um, i can't remember their
00:16:37language now, but you will see that because they speak their language for
00:16:41even day to day running the their country, so they can afford to
00:16:45have their mother language as national language, but in our
00:16:49own case, um, as I said before, the zero to five year old
00:16:53child has tendency to actually form
00:16:57languages very well as that stage, if I send you and I abroad
00:17:00now, but the time we come back our accent will remain the same, but
00:17:04the five year old when you actually spend one year in England or in
00:17:08US, the accent would have changed because that child is at the formative stage,
00:17:12and if we're not careful, if we don't actually introduce English on
00:17:16time, and we don't introduce the mother language on time, we might be doing
00:17:20lot of disservice to the child, so what we propagate is every
00:17:24child must understand their mother language, and that's part the
00:17:27educational, it is part the educational thing, we expect parents,
00:17:31because your child is not expected in school between zero and three,
00:17:35true, so that's when you plant a lot particularly on the
00:17:39mother language, but by the time they are three, they're joining us, then we have to
00:17:42introduce English, because and when we introduce English, it doesn't mean
00:17:46we're going to throw the mother language away, because don't forget that
00:17:50every child in all our schools must do the language the
00:17:54community, so that's what we expect, so
00:17:57children uh in the southwest region must understand
00:18:00yoruba, children in
00:18:02the northern part of nigeria must understand ausa as well, and the same thing applies to
00:18:06the children. 'I got you correctly now, what you're saying is the parents are responsible from
00:18:10between zer to three, I hope you are monitoring them and
00:18:14also making sure they do that, but leave that, let's move,
00:18:18I'm also interested in the issue of you know um
00:18:22our background, and I think in Nigeria we've had lot
00:18:26of cases where you see governors come up and they'll say they're trying
00:18:30to address the issue of teacher literacy and define
00:18:33teachers that can read, we've had reports where it appears'.
00:18:38for some states, they just employ
00:18:40teachers, and obviously are you saying those
00:18:44days are gone, because you are at the federal,
00:18:48yeah, and we're talking about teachers who at local government
00:18:52and at community level, I must give creudos to all our
00:18:56commissioners and also our governors, not all
00:18:59states, however, quite a lot of our states now when they want to
00:19:03recruit, what they do is they involve teachers registration council of
00:19:06Nigeria. Okay, I'll give you an example, nasarawa
00:19:09recently employed few teachers and they
00:19:13invited TROCN, and with that it's really
00:19:17helping everybody to know that, look, what worked
00:19:20before, unfortunately cannot work again, so we're
00:19:23working collaboratively with quite a lot of states, I just came back
00:19:27from yesterday, andugu also did the same thing,
00:19:31in fact enig went as far as doing career
00:19:35career path for all their teachers. they built
00:19:38272 smart city schools and the governor there
00:19:42wanted to know how many of my teachers out of 1900 teachers
00:19:46will be able to go to my smart city school so what we did i mean what he did
00:19:50was to invite TROCN come and do the career path test with that
00:19:54career path it tells you who is working on uh a
00:19:57higher level who has got ICT skills who has got this who
00:20:01has the the managerial skills and so on and that gave them a very
00:20:05big picture because by the time we finished the analysis, they were
00:20:09able to see their gaps that, okay, so we have gaps here, we have gaps
00:20:13here, and because education has moved away from
00:20:16where development partners will come in and just say, oh, we want to go to
00:20:20that state to go and support, you must know what where our
00:20:24gaps are, before you support us, because what we are saying
00:20:28now under the leadership the renewed hope agenda is where are the
00:20:32gaps with teachers, so address our gaps, don't
00:20:36address what you want, it has to be what we need and what you
00:20:40have identified and what we have identified and also you
00:20:44will see that the professional qualifying examination that we're doing the last one we had
00:20:48about 26,00 teachers. this was between um the 14th and the
00:20:5116th of May last um this year when we finished when we did
00:20:55the analysis within two weeks because we have the service level agreement to
00:20:59release your result within a week
00:21:01but at the same time when
00:21:02we do the analysis we have to share with every stakeholder
00:21:06every state was given every commissioner was given and to me he
00:21:09made every state to know where exactly they are and what and what they needed to
00:21:13do um like as a country at the moment we're not so good in
00:21:17mathematics mathematics was quite low when did the last
00:21:20exam, so it's telling us, it's giving us better picture of where we are,
00:21:24and then we can address that those needs now through, because with the
00:21:28office of um teachers registration council of Nigeria, we also
00:21:32deal with mandatory continuous professional development, because
00:21:35in every um, because when we came in, we realized that some
00:21:39teachers have been in the career for over 30 years, but there was no
00:21:43training, nobody gave them training, but now we're
00:21:46moving to, mean we're working with honorable minister for state on this, as well, it's a
00:21:50big project because ubec has done a brilliant, ubec has
00:21:54lot of brilliant resources, um, federal ministry of education has lot of
00:21:58brilliant resources, TRCN has brilliant resources, what we're doing is let's
00:22:02bring it together and let every teacher be able to access
00:22:06this, and what we plan doing is to have one day in the country, which
00:22:10is going to be MCPD day, where every teacher conveniently can
00:22:13access um trainings on different areas, because you
00:22:17cannot be teaching early years and just be acting. as if you a
00:22:20childminder. Okay, so now if I come back to the issue
00:22:24of um, making sure we reach and we
00:22:28get what we need. Would you say we are getting, we have
00:22:31enough teachers? Uh, we're not fully there
00:22:35yet, okay? In some states, I will say, yes, um, we're almost
00:22:39there, some states are really prioritizing um, how to
00:22:43employ more teachers, however, what we're saying is, how great
00:22:47are they, and what support do they need, because... we've got to make
00:22:50sure we're giving them the right trainings, but at the same time
00:22:54some in some states were still very understand, because
00:22:58I mean there are some areas where you will get to where you will see that the public school
00:23:02children, we don't even have enough children in those schools and that's
00:23:06because the support, I've worked in Lagos before as
00:23:10the director general and what I
00:23:11realize of office of education quality
00:23:15assurance and I realized that when
00:23:18we were when I was in Lagos und...
00:23:23I realized that because we were doing so much into our public
00:23:27schools, he was making a lot of people to go and remove their children and
00:23:30bringing them to public schools and that actually raised the number as
00:23:34quickly as possible, because the nigerian parents they're looking for good
00:23:38education
00:23:40at affordable and at affordable rates as well, so um there's a
00:23:44need for us to see how we can improve standard across board and
00:23:47that's something that we're doing and with um trocan
00:23:51were very particular about standard, it's time for a short break, we'll be
00:23:55right
00:23:55back,
00:24:07thank you, um, now i would i while going through
00:24:11the work you're doing, i came across the teacher's code of
00:24:15conduct, what is that, what does that intell right,
00:24:19um, fact that we have the right to professionalize teachers,
00:24:22yes, we also have the right to strike teachers
00:24:26off, and that's something that has never been used before,
00:24:30that we we're now using. there is department
00:24:33um called compliance and enforcement, so what i do
00:24:37is um, in terms of we have um teachers code of
00:24:40conduct that we have done, so there is a particular,
00:24:44mean there is expectation for teachers, at the moment also we're
00:24:48working on teacher standards. that is what is the standard that is
00:24:52expected of every teachers and I'll give you instance um
00:24:55everybody talks about AI, AI is brilliant, but it has
00:24:59to be regulated, true because if he's not regulated he might be doing more
00:25:03disservice to the children, so all those things are coming into the teacher
00:25:07development - to teacher standard, and within that as well we
00:25:11have teachers investigative panel, so if something goes wrong
00:25:14any state, um, the commissioners are aware that they can send
00:25:18the matter to teachers. "I mean they can deal with the matter at their
00:25:22level, depending if it's private or is government, yes, but at the
00:25:26same time they know when to refer to teachers uh registration council of
00:25:30Nigeria, also we have the outline as well, this outline
00:25:33number, should a teacher, maybe teachers just sexually abuse a
00:25:37child, there is outline number because we work with other agencies
00:25:41in ensuring sanity in our schools, now
00:25:45um on that as well there is something that we're we've been trying to,
00:25:49I mean we're almost finished" but we're not finished yet, and that is the criminal
00:25:52record database, so there is criminal record database that will be coming
00:25:56out as well, so um, every teacher that you
00:25:59employ, are you on the criminal record? database or
00:26:03not, if you are particularly if he's on sexual abuse and that teacher
00:26:07cannot be any of our schools, because we have to move away from where we
00:26:11have pedophiles moving from one school to the other, so all those things are the
00:26:15things that we're tiding up at the moment under child
00:26:18protection and safeguarding,
00:26:21so one caught my attention, there's this part that caught in that
00:26:25teacher's code of conduct that teachers will act in in
00:26:29place of a parent, there's a technical latin.
00:26:32apps word that i was put there to protect learners from
00:26:36physical, emotional, sexual abuse, harassment and
00:26:39exploitation. yes, now I ask myself,
00:26:43how do you enforce this? most
00:26:46times you come on air, you hear of bullying, which is
00:26:50issue we're trying to, if you have this code of
00:26:54con, that means teachers have role to protect those students, yeah,
00:26:58teachers have, mean the um owners is on every teacher
00:27:01between them night to 3e o'clock when the child is in the school for us to
00:27:05protect the child and every school knows that
00:27:09that is a right that every child deserves, every child has to be
00:27:13a safe environment, every child has got to be looked after
00:27:16effectively well, and nothing is allowed to happen to the
00:27:20children really, and where we have concerns, mean where there are
00:27:24concerns from parents, parents are supposed to report to the school immediately, and
00:27:28when school is actually not taking enough action that to report to the um...
00:27:32to their local authority and those are things, because I mean when I was in
00:27:36Lagos, lot of we had the outline in Lagos and you will see
00:27:40that that's when DSVROT, that's domestic sexual violence and
00:27:43response team started, because it started when I was the DG in
00:27:47Lagos um in charge of quality assurance, so we work with
00:27:51Ministry of Justice to be able to establish that, and that's something that is being
00:27:55replicated in quite a lot of states now that there has to
00:27:58be um a standard in place of what happens when
00:28:02a... is actually abused during the school time, no, but I'm talking to
00:28:05you now as, and you are
00:28:09the one that has put in place the code of conduct, yes, now
00:28:12if can parents report, can they report to you
00:28:16and say, look, I'm not satisfied with what I'm getting, yes, and parents have been doing that,
00:28:20parents can report, okay, two things that parents can report to
00:28:24TLCN, you will see that parents can actually check, is
00:28:28my teacher a certified teacher, okay, is my
00:28:31teacher regular? teacher who is a professional or my teacher is just
00:28:35an ordinary teacher, so they can verify that online on
00:28:38trcn.gov. ng, then the other thing they can do is they
00:28:42can use a offline to actually report whatever they're not happy with with
00:28:46their teachers and they can get that information on your website. yes, they can get that information
00:28:50on the website and we try as much as possible, depending on the
00:28:54kind of case it is, we try as much as possible to give 24 hours
00:28:58um attention to that case. have you been having cases? we've
00:29:02been... having cases, although um, it's not been
00:29:06very busy, I must say, and which is good, we don't want to
00:29:10have reports of very bad experiences, yes, it's
00:29:13not been very busy, but we've had some drastic cases that we have been
00:29:17dealing with really, okay, now I'm also concerned about
00:29:21the issue of enforcement, because once when you look at this sort of things
00:29:25a lot of people feel, yes, the federal government sets up a
00:29:29policy or an agency, they are in Abuja. what is
00:29:33happening when something is happening insuka or is happening
00:29:37in malamfashi, how do you ensure that
00:29:40your work gets to the neat grity
00:29:44and the extreme parts of Nigeria? thank
00:29:46you very much. um, TRCN is in every state, okay? we have offices in
00:29:50all the 36 states plus city, yeah, so there are offices there, there are
00:29:54people that can easily go to the grassroot level to be able to do
00:29:58things for us as quickly as possible, then apart from that, the fact that we
00:30:02work. lot with lot of school leaders, we work with sub
00:30:05chairman, we work with commissioners and also the
00:30:09fact that we work with eds of agencies, it makes it really easy for us to be
00:30:13able to access, so there's no problem at all with that,
00:30:16and where people want to, mean like um the lesson plants that
00:30:20we spoke about, what we intend doing is for everybody to be able to have
00:30:24access in all our offices for prescripted lesson plan, but don't forget
00:30:28that where you have the gifted and talented teachers because you
00:30:32you have some some teachers that are well established, those ones conveniently can
00:30:36use our platform to do AI generated lesson platform, mean to do
00:30:40AI lesson plans, and with that as well we can
00:30:44differentiate lessons, because those are the kind of things we're propagating, because
00:30:48unfortunately we have dealt with our gifted and talented children in
00:30:51Nigeria as normal children, I mean some schools are training
00:30:55them really well, but those are the areas that we still have lot of
00:30:59concerns with.