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00:00:00supplies, postponing
00:00:03eh, postponing surgeries, that happens in the richest city in the country, of
00:00:07course it also happens in San Martín, the province of Buenos Aires, it happens everywhere, you know why,
00:00:10because doctors earn nothing in Argentina,
00:00:13they earn less and less every time, there are no nurses, there are no
00:00:16anesthetists, eh, they are not hired because there is austerity everywhere,
00:00:20that happens and I was thinking it
00:00:23triggered me because Silvio mentioned God's hand, not looking for God's
00:00:34Ignacio in Rosario, a healing
00:00:37really thank priest,
00:00:39to sooner or whose masses are deepened what multitudinous,
00:00:42multitudinous and what they told me about that mass caught my
00:00:45attention, that there were as many
00:00:48people asking for health issues
00:00:52as people asking for work, like
00:00:55a San Cayetano in Rosario, in Greater Rosario, not a very
00:00:59hard-hit part of the country, Greater Rosario, like all the industrial zones of
00:01:03Argentina, but it surprised me that that mass, which
00:01:06was for people who went to ask for health,
00:01:09now it's a mass, it's a mass where people go
00:01:12to ask as if it were a modern San Cayetano
00:01:15to Father Ignacio for
00:01:19health but also for work, half of that immense
00:01:23mass that happens on Saturdays in
00:01:25Rosario, today asks for work beyond
00:01:29health, this is part of the Argentine
00:01:32postcard, eh, Ronia, I want to ask
00:01:36you about the kids, on the other hand, we are talking about the older ones, how
00:01:40do you see the kids in Argentina today, are they
00:01:44I don't know, more unprotected, do
00:01:46more kids come to the gym wanting, wanting to find a
00:01:50way out or do you see it more or less the same issue of the kids, no, the kids
00:01:54always look for a way out, they don't have work, Roña, we can
00:01:57practice eh... some are charged, some are not charged, but
00:02:01well, it happens, this is happening, eh,
00:02:05there are kids in the square, drugs are everywhere every day on every
00:02:08corner, whoever wants to grab it grabs it,
00:02:12but there are many who are protected by this, before at least
00:02:16they had a little money of 75 pesos,
00:02:20they took everything from them, they were left without a penny and so
00:02:24they keep getting worse and worse, and on top of that we have
00:02:27to endure another year, it's not
00:02:35rope, the rope eventually breaks, at some point the rope breaks,
00:02:38you understand, we are getting worse, what happens is
00:02:42that here in Buenos Aires, it looks very nice, the lights, everything
00:02:46illuminated, everything, you have to look at the
00:02:48invest, no, because the conditions in sides, on the sides there is poverty, misery, I
00:02:51went through the north, it's one thing to see it, another thing to tell about it,
00:02:55the north is very unprotected, very unprotected, the
00:02:59people from the Impenetrable of Catamarca, of
00:03:02the north, eh Santiago del Estero, La Rioja, all
00:03:06that, it's one thing to tell you about it, as I always say, another thing is to
00:03:11go and talk to the people, that's why we try to go with the cameras to the places, I mean,
00:03:14beyond inviting people here to show, not to talk in
00:03:17first person so that people tell us, Lucas Blanco is also with us,
00:03:21he is an economist, eh Lucas, thanks for
00:03:25coming, for accompanying us,
00:03:29um, we just asked Silvio, uh, uh, uh
00:03:33Juana, how much more time, eh
00:03:37the work that how much, how much, how long will it take to improve the situation so that
00:04:06breaks your heart to hear eh, cases like these, eh, I mean,
00:04:09we inherited a country where pensioners were earning $80, where
00:04:1340% of the purchasing power in real
00:04:16terms was lost in 4 years in pensions, where not only
00:04:19pensioners were affected, but we had six out of 10 poor children
00:04:23and well, eh, that is, we are going through a crisis that
00:04:26is still not solved, that still
00:04:30exists, where we have a labor market where the majority of
00:04:33people or at least close to 50% work informally, so
00:04:37they do not contribute to the pension fund, which is what then sustains pensions,
00:04:40eh, we had two out of three pensioners who retired
00:04:44through moratorium without the corresponding contributions and today we
00:04:47find ourselves with a very complicated social
00:04:50situation that the government aims and
00:04:54actively works to resolve some data such as child
00:04:57poverty
00:05:00has experienced a notable improvement from six out of 10 to four out of 10 poor children, just
00:05:03as poverty in general dropped from 50 to
00:05:0630%. That does not mean that there are no people obviously who are having
00:05:11smile, he got emotional and a hard time and that it is. in all places,
00:05:13let's say, similar the case, no, but if one wants
00:05:17to aspire to correct this in the long term, they have to do it sustainably,
00:05:21without returning to fiscal deficit, without generating inflation, what happens is that Lucas,
00:05:24there are people, I discuss this with all economists and and others and the
00:05:28heroes of Excel, no, there are people who do not have
00:05:31time, Silvio and Juana do not have
00:05:35time and when one puts politics in first person with
00:05:39a name and surname, Excel does not exist.
00:05:45what you say, but politics in
00:05:49general, the leaders will have
00:05:52later prioritize Silvio and
00:05:55Juana, and not Peter Thiel
00:05:58and not Marcos Galperín, I mean, I know it's
00:06:01complex because the blanket is short, I understand that very clearly, but I have the feeling that
00:06:05in Argentina the same people always lose, as
00:06:08Silvio and Juana are losing today who have a frozen bonus of 7000
00:06:12pesos. 3 years ago, that is,
00:06:15I disagree, first of all, with Excel, I also, I mean,
00:06:19I talk a lot about Excel, these are people, I mean, what INDEC measures,
00:06:22in the end, no matter how much it's shown through numbers,
00:06:26are people, obviously you can't break down each
00:06:29person one by one and tell you all the names, but it's not just INDEC, the Argentine
00:06:33Catholic University also measures poverty with other
00:06:37methodologies and it showed a decrease,
00:06:39eh, let's see, the problem is if you give them false hope, you
00:06:43can, let's say, go back to the model of fiscal deficit, of monetary
00:06:46emission, put money in people's pockets, but if
00:06:50that money you put in one pocket then comes out the other, what you're
00:06:54going to end up causing is that the Silvio who comes in 4 years will be
00:06:58even worse, so you'll have
00:07:01bread for today, hunger for tomorrow, then that the
00:07:04country is governed for the rich, let's see, Galperín left the
00:07:08country precisely because the country scares away the rich, what remains in Argentina is Galperín's
00:07:12company. Which in any case generates profit, generates jobs, well, it generates
00:07:15profit, that's not right, the company that generates
00:07:19profit, that's why, but I mean, it's generating profit, but that
00:07:23profit, let's say, it generates by offering a service to
00:07:26people that generates jobs and let's not forget that through MercadoPago, a large
00:07:30number of people who used to get paid in cash
00:07:34and today at least have a legitimate way of receiving
00:07:37money and generating some return, so Marcos Galperín is not the bad
00:07:41guy because you think. No, nobody talked about Marcos, you talked about Marcos, I
00:07:44don't think, I, I mentioned him, but I don't think Marcos Galperín is
00:07:48the bad guy, Marcos Galperín seeks to
00:07:51maximize his profit like all entrepreneurs, that is, then there is the fact that
00:07:54each one has greater responsibility, I don't care about that,
00:07:58I mean, eh, sometimes it seems that the field is
00:08:01tilted in such a way that Silvios, Juanas, pensioners,
00:08:05cancer patients, always lose,
00:08:09that is, because I'm not so sure.
00:08:12that pensioners today are better off than 3
00:08:16years ago, rather I think the opposite, no, rather I think that today pensioners
00:08:19are worse off than 3 years ago and and
00:08:23and you say well and I can give you the reason, this, hey, now inflation
00:08:27has dropped considerably, if the problem was only
00:08:30inflation, why do I think that pensioners, it
00:08:34seems to me, or my friends tell me because my grandparents, my close
00:08:38pensioners no longer live, that
00:08:41their grandparents are worse off or their parents are worse off, why does that happen, why is
00:08:44there that dichotomy, Lucas, that inflation goes down, but pensioners are
00:08:48worse off? Well, first, the pensioners'
00:08:52basket is different from the basket that a person
00:08:56who is not a pensioner has, that is a general basket that is not the same in the case of
00:08:59pensioners, anyway it is also false that
00:09:03subsidies for medicines were removed, no, it is not false,
00:09:06no, no, no, many no, I want to explain it, I want to explain
00:09:10it, you have to do the paperwork, that is, a series of requirements were put in place to
00:09:13access 100% of the subsidy, I mean, my father is also a pensioner,
00:09:17but no, my mother is also a pensioner they removed the
00:09:20100% coverage for chronic diseases, I
00:09:23know because we pay for it, that is, it's not that I
00:09:27account for it, at least what Pami communicates, beyond that I have the personal case of
00:09:31my father who also consumes antihypertensives eh because he has high
00:09:34blood pressure and he has a subsidy on antihypertensives, beyond the
00:09:37personal case, Pami what it sets is a series of requirements to access the
00:09:41subsidy such as eh having less than, that is, earning less than
00:09:441.5 minimum, the minimum, I tell you a concrete
00:09:47case, the minimum in case of having a disability is three, they are
00:09:51three salaries in case of presenting a disability, they are three
00:09:54salaries, eh, or the sum of three minimum salaries, but when Pami stops paying,
00:09:58but I mean, there are subsidies, what happens is that some things to
00:10:02clarify, first, by switching
00:10:05medicines to over-the-counter, a lot
00:10:08of medicines stopped
00:10:11having coverage. Medicines do not have
00:10:14coverage, that first happened not only to pensioners but to a lot of people,
00:10:18that on the one hand, then it is true that
00:10:21eh the requirements were tightened, it is
00:10:25true, I have, we can discuss whether it is right or
00:10:29not, I think so, but we have to help older adults so that they can
00:10:32meet those requirements, no doubt, no doubt, not two things and finally, when
00:10:35Pami stops paying, it doesn't matter if there is a subsidy or not, because there are
00:10:39four provinces in Argentina, one I think is Catamarca, where
00:10:43Pami in its largest centers had to stop providing care because
00:10:47Pami stopped paying providers, so, let's say, it
00:10:51starts to be a coverage, a ghost coverage, I mean.
00:10:56Argentina far from improving, I think it has
00:11:02was wrong, pensioners were having a hard time 3 years ago, we all
00:11:06agree, they are having a worse time today, I particularly think
00:11:25well, listening to you, but we also want to thank
00:11:29both Juana and Silvio for the solidarity of the people who are
00:11:32watching us, the Crónica audience, who is always present
00:11:36helping, because Juana tells me, today I bought a package of
00:11:40sugar, I had 19 cents left in my account
00:11:43nothing more, and now thanks to the people who are
00:11:47watching, eh, well, of course Juana and
00:11:51Silvio's Mercado Pago is growing.
00:12:14for Juana and Silvio so that nothing,
00:12:17tomorrow at least tomorrow they have a penny in their
00:12:21Mercado Pago to be able to buy bread
00:12:24and and... and drink something hot, the truth is that
00:12:28the truth is that it makes me very happy, but it also makes me very sad that it is
00:12:31us, who
00:12:35have to take responsibility and be responsible for what other
00:12:39people should be doing, no, us, Juana, Silvio, the
00:12:42truth is that we are delighted to help them, also the
00:12:45Roña's foundation eh, to give them a hand with the visibility of the
00:12:49work they do
00:12:52eh, but the truth is,
00:12:56it's not the job of journalists, nor of television channels, nor of
00:12:59TV, eh, to guarantee
00:13:02them that they have a penny in their
00:13:05wallet for tomorrow to be able to have breakfast, nor that
00:13:09Roña with his generosity and his foundation provides them with medicines so
00:13:13that they can look for them, I mean, the truth is that it makes me
00:13:16happy on the one hand to be able to do it, where are the guys from, they are
00:13:20from San Martín, Joseon Suárez, oh no, because I have,
00:13:24they can come get me. I'll deposit it, I help
00:13:26a lot of people, if all people go to the
00:13:30deposit, I give to
00:13:33soup kitchens and dining halls that need it
00:13:36so nothing, there is merchandise, now a new
00:13:38truck is coming, I thank Abel
00:13:42Pinto because he sent me a truck with 2 kg of
00:13:45merchandise without being asked, he told me I'm going to
00:13:48help you and he helped me, not only with those who are on the
00:13:52channel who tell you, hey, I'm going to help you, Roña, and then they don't show up,
00:14:04they promised me the cooks and they never appeared, I told them they would make
00:14:07contributions to the Locomotora foundation, they never
00:14:10did, nothing happens, I don't need any of
00:14:13that because thanks to the factory that gives me
00:14:16merchandise, the government of the province of Buenos Aires that contributes
00:14:20eh there are many whips that also don't give for the
00:14:23soup kitchens, you see, I get angry when
00:14:27that red light is on, they promise you the moon and the stars and then
00:14:31you see, they leave you stranded, so you see, and it's not that they leave
00:14:35you stranded, there are people behind, not me because I have
00:14:38food, I don't need anything, what these
00:14:41people need is that,
00:14:44that's the ugly part, I tell you again, I see
00:14:48it every day, Monday to Monday I see these people, it makes me
00:14:52angry, people come and say Roña, I have some but it's not enough, I
00:14:55can't make ends meet, I can't make ends meet, I can't make ends meet, that happens more and more, I don't have
00:14:59work but it's not enough, they have work but it's not enough, it can't be that a pensioner is
00:15:02earning 48000 pesos and the
00:15:05medicine costs 200 pesos, when they buy the medicines, their
00:15:09pension salary is gone, they know because they have a pensioner
00:15:12father, we usually invite Luis, a
00:15:15pensioner who marches on Wednesdays and Luis has
00:15:18to sell socks, he goes out and buys,
00:15:21he gets the minimum 400 and something and goes out to sell socks.
00:15:25And he goes to the march on Wednesdays and fights for others, well that's how Argentina is,
00:15:28eh nothing, Locomotora Foundation to
00:15:32help, the MP3
00:15:36Foundation, that point to help Juana and
00:15:40Silvio, Juana and Silvio, María Juan you will be the bridge eh
00:15:44between our production, Roña and Juan and Silvio so that
00:15:47those medicines can arrive and maybe Roña can also give them some
00:15:51merchandise, not a bag so that at least they
00:15:55start to have a connection with Roña and
00:15:59and of course, what happens is that for me, the truth is, Roña, you are a very
00:16:02generous person, the truth is that you work so much with the soup kitchens and the
00:16:05dining halls, but the truth is. For me, I mean, you are not human
00:16:09capital, there would be people who should take care of it, Sandra Petovello is her
00:16:12name, who should take care of it, it happened to me when I had, remember
00:16:16when I had all the pasta all piled up, that was not
00:16:20her, it was from the previous government
00:16:22and well, the rats are eating it, so you see,
00:16:25I prefer, I would have preferred to give it to the people and he says I don't know where it
00:16:29went because he never gave me anything from the soup kitchens because he says they are
00:16:33ghost soup kitchens and here there are no ghost soup kitchens, how many soup kitchens do you have,
00:16:36Roña? 14 and 9
00:16:38dining halls,
00:16:41Locomotora.point Foundation to help Roña, Juana
00:16:44mp 13 points to help
00:17:33that we watch the Crónica program every day and and
00:17:37that... people have work to survive and not end up
00:18:00Silvio, you're not the only one, I want to tell you, half of Argentina is
00:18:03affected, half of Argentina is affected, you're not a unique case.
00:18:09Eh, nobody is going to believe that you are the only one, nor that it's your fault, nor that you
00:18:13didn't do enough, it's not like that, half of
00:18:16Argentina is affected, and it's not because they are lazy, don't want to
00:18:20work, did things wrong, don't know financial education, don't know how to
00:18:39telling us your story, for helping us understand reality beyond
00:18:43Excel, beyond what officials say, it's very
00:18:46important for us every weekend
00:18:50to tell these stories in first
00:18:53person, to get out of Excel, to get out of the
00:18:56numbers, to tell the reality that is lived in at least
00:19:00half or a little more than half of
00:19:37hopeful,
00:19:41who are confident, who are making an effort, because there are many people who are
00:19:45making an effort and don't see that things are clearing up, you said
00:19:48hey, fixing this mess is not easy, it will take a long
00:19:51time, eh, how much more patience do you
00:19:55think they have to have or can be asked for, it depends
00:19:59on many factors, obviously a person who is going through a critical situation cannot
00:20:17What I tell people is that we should focus on how to solve this
00:20:21problem because if we focus
00:20:24all the time on the problem itself and never on how to
00:20:27solve it, it will continue to happen that there are pensioners who are
00:20:30badly off, that there are poor children and the opposition or the
00:20:34rest of the political spectrum does not offer an alternative on how to
00:20:38solve this in the medium to long term, in a sustainable
00:20:41way, for me the solution is clear, I mean it's about betting
00:20:44on improving production, on having investments, on generating formal
00:20:48jobs to normalize the country, I mean, if the country risk drops, it means more
00:20:52companies are established, by not attacking entrepreneurs, attracting
00:20:56entrepreneurs to come and establish themselves here, whether it's Mercado Libre or
00:20:59another company, whether it's Amazon, whether it's Global, whatever company you want, but we have to
00:21:02attract these people and not
00:21:06charge them more taxes so that the money is then used by a
00:21:08politician, that is my conclusion, I believe that
00:21:12they should focus on the problem and the government has it clear and I don't see that the rest of the
00:21:16politicians have a clear solution and that's why they are not presenting
00:21:33buy a stove for a soup kitchen, we try to get
00:21:37a wheelchair, they gave us one, we donated one to
00:21:41a person, nothing, we want to be able to if
00:21:44we buy the stove for the soup kitchen, eh,
00:21:47pucherito, that's good, eh, to be able to continue
00:21:51helping because people really need it, especially
00:21:54people from humble neighborhoods, I don't like to say from shantytowns
00:21:58but eh I say humble neighborhoods that are the ones who need
00:22:01it most, where there are many little children in staircases, you see,
00:22:04so nothing, how awful that a woman with five
00:22:08four children comes to my gym and asks and I can't say no,
00:22:11you know what, I didn't ask you and I don't want to forget at least to
00:22:15mention how you see the issue of debt in the neighborhoods, people
00:22:19are very
00:22:50and every, it can't be that a kilo of meat costs
00:22:5325, eh, what a person
00:22:57earns per day, a kilo of meat, so that's the
00:23:00worst, there are people from the neighborhood who haven't eaten meat for a long time, the
00:23:04butcher, our neighbor says
00:23:06eh people used to buy by the kilo, now by 100 g or 200
00:23:10g, to make a little sauce and
00:23:14that's the hard part, that people are having a very
00:23:18very hard time.
00:23:36with a number of soup kitchens and snack bars that solve a little bit of the day
00:23:40for a lot of people who otherwise would
00:23:44not have that plate of food and
00:23:47would be having a much worse time than they are
00:24:05first thing, long live Argentine
00:24:08labor,
00:24:11as an Argentine, a lot was lost and
00:24:15and I would like to put together a crew
00:24:19to teach my friends' children
00:24:22through the church that we pray in
00:24:27each one can take their child off
00:24:31that in these times it may be better to live
00:24:34better,
00:25:40go back to work.
00:25:43No, there we are, we were there at least to give him this little hand, which we know is not
00:25:47definitive, it's just a start.
00:26:27proud of what we are doing,
00:26:30there it is,
00:26:33closing this story that
00:26:36of course today has a more or less dignified
00:26:40ending, but tomorrow it will be a problem again and the camera will not
00:26:44be there, that's why public policies are needed to solve this type of
00:26:45issue,
00:26:49attention.
00:27:03The case of Mari Carmen,
00:27:07you know, housing
00:27:11crisis,
00:27:16goes in parallel, only Argentina, Spain, no, I think the rest of the world, but there is a parallel between
00:27:20Argentina and
00:27:20Spain,
00:27:28the case of Mari Carmen, in Spain it is
00:27:31shaking the political framework, so much so
00:27:34that the head of government, Pedro Sánchez, sent decrees to
00:27:38freeze rent for a certain time to avoid
00:27:42evictions, as they call them, expulsions, because Mari
00:27:45Carmen lived 70 years in that home and the
00:27:49"vulture SMEs" appeared, as they are called, which are
00:27:52ventures that go and buy a lot of
00:27:55homes to make business with them. Well, the
00:27:58president sent two decrees and Congress overturned them, so they brought forward elections with
00:28:02general elections to see definitively what will happen and one
00:28:05says Mari Carmen, she is very far from the Republic of
00:28:09Argentina. There is a report that came out Agustín this week that shows the
00:28:12growth of retirees, that is,
00:28:15Argentine Maricarmens who are renting, they are with the noose around
00:28:18their necks. To talk about this, Matías Araujo from the urban fabric
00:28:22of an organization that is in charge
00:28:25of measuring all these types of problems that exist not only in Argentina
00:28:36housing issue? You know why I'm interested? Because I think the
00:28:39housing issue, as happened in Berlin, uh,
00:28:43as happens in Spain, will
00:28:45end up uh, by defining some electoral issues
00:28:49in Argentina if someone takes it seriously, if someone takes
00:28:53it seriously, what are you seeing? Well, when
00:28:56you were trying to see the parallels between Spain and Argentina, what we see in
00:29:00Spain is basically a scenario. In Argentina, we can
00:29:04see it in the future, that is, it is a matter that may happen. What have
00:29:07we detected in the last two censuses? Basically a doubling of the
00:29:11number of retired tenants, which means
00:29:15that during the last 20 years a large part of the population between 45 and
00:29:1860 years old could not access housing and therefore reached old age
00:29:22renting, and what does renting mean, obviously with a
00:29:25pension today, how to face it. And on the other hand, we really like
00:29:29to analyze the two extremes basically. On the one hand, you
00:29:32have retired tenants who today doubled and eight out of
00:29:3610 retired tenants are vulnerable, and on the other hand, we see
00:29:39what happens at the other extreme of the housing
00:29:42trajectory, let's say, which are young people, four out of 10 cannot
00:29:46leave their parents' house, four out of 10, four out of 10 cannot leave
00:29:50their parents' house, this is fundamental to understand why
00:29:53it impacts Argentina because it tries to achieve
00:29:56to see how it has evolved and how our legs have been
00:29:59cut off basically in recent years in that sense,
00:30:03we say, if today we are aiming to
00:30:07understand what is happening to people between 45 and 60 years old who today do not access
00:30:10property and property being what guarantees in Argentina
00:30:14certain stability for the future, what will happen
00:30:17when in the next census this is double
00:30:20the retirees again, let's go from 4,000 to 8,000. Now the
00:30:24question, one of the questions about this
00:30:26diagnosis, I mean, where do we start to solve
00:30:30the problem because
00:30:32it's not that Argentina hasn't tried in recent years, it has tried and it has
00:30:36gone wrong, it has tried with inefficient tools,
00:30:39that rental law with rampant
00:30:42inflation ended up not being efficient for people to be able to
00:30:46rent and for those who had a little money to be able to
00:30:49buy, the attempts, the attempts at
00:30:52mortgage credit projects in Argentina in recent years were neither massive nor
00:30:56good. Those that were good were not.