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00:07:42Her mother holds a raffle to raise money and pay off the
00:07:46debts. My daughter sold everything,
00:07:50she tried to
00:07:51commit suicide.
00:07:54We are working live, Rodo Morel tells us, Rodo, good
00:07:57Saturday.
00:07:59What are you doing, Dani? It's not a good Saturday for Graciela, who is Jimena's
00:08:03mother, who is the daughter. We are in
00:08:07the federal capital. Nothing Jimena sold was enough
00:08:11to pay that amount that you well said, she sold
00:08:15everything from window frames, sheets
00:08:18from her room, the
00:08:21kitchen, the refrigerator, a
00:08:24box spring, well, nothing is
00:08:27enough for a loan, then
00:08:31she took out another one to cover the first one, then she had to
00:08:34take out a third one to pay the first and second,
00:08:37she had to take out a fourth one to see if she could face the
00:08:41third, the second, and the first. She owes four
00:08:44loans, she lost her
00:08:47essential income which was selling clothes here in José
00:08:50C. Paz, it's a chaotic situation, on top of that, as
00:08:54you well said, with this decision she made of a
00:08:58suicide attempt, well, everything is very chaotic, we are with Jimena,
00:09:01we are with Graciela, well, Jimena, everything
00:09:05starts from what? You started having, like every
00:09:08entrepreneurship, the dream of having a job, you started having a...
00:09:12clothing store, is that right? A clothing store, used clothes, new clothes,
00:09:15I had a bit of everything, well, I started well at first,
00:09:19then sales started to
00:09:22drop. To be able to have more
00:09:26and have a big store, I took out a
00:09:29loan, I started paying, then it
00:09:32became difficult because nothing was selling,
00:09:35I asked for another one to cover part of that and
00:09:39be able to buy more things, then it got complicated with the second one.
00:09:43I asked for a third one to cover a bit of the first, the
00:09:47second and buy more merchandise,
00:09:50that also got complicated, another one appeared, offered me
00:09:53another and I took that too to cover part of the
00:09:56rent, to cover the others, but it
00:10:00wasn't enough and when I realized I already had
00:10:03five daily payment lenders that I couldn't pay,
00:10:07I ended up asking for monthly, it got complicated again
00:10:11and until I couldn't take it anymore and on April
00:10:144th I had my first suicide
00:10:17attempt that they saved me in the
00:10:20hospital and and well now what I have left is
00:10:24to be able to... pay, I can't find work, I go out to sell at the fair and some days it
00:10:28sells, some days it doesn't, I started selling
00:10:31food, I also sold well for a week, then
00:10:35nothing sold, now on August 28th
00:10:39I tried to throw myself under the train, no, please, but
00:10:42well, I don't know, something made me come back
00:10:45home, Jimena,
00:10:49room where Jimena sleeps, you are a mother of how many children? Five,
00:10:52five, I have five children, four with
00:10:56me, the oldest got together because she has a
00:10:59girl and and well
00:11:03so I'm with the four youngest children in this room that we are
00:11:06showing, we see how many
00:11:10beds, three beds, you sleep there, how many
00:11:13people? I sleep in one below with the youngest
00:11:16child, in the other bed sleeps my 17-year-old son,
00:11:20and in the other sleeps my 11-year-old son, my 13-year-old daughter doesn't
00:11:24sleep with me, she sleeps with my mom because well, I
00:11:27sold the box springs, the two box springs I had, so
00:11:31she had to sleep with my mom, I mean, right? Now
00:12:00note, Dani, the last thing, she doesn't have a
00:12:03door in her room, I say room not because it's like
00:12:07her home, it's what she made into a room and that's fine,
00:12:11obviously. Rodo, I'm sorry, Rodo, are you telling
00:12:14me that she doesn't have an access door? She doesn't have, she doesn't have a
00:12:18door directly, the house doesn't have doors.
00:12:21No. Because the other
00:12:24half, the house was longer, the other
00:12:27half, since I had no money and my sister had nowhere to live,
00:12:31I sold her half last year and a
00:12:34wall was built. I had the door to put it, but since
00:12:37I was building last year and had bought everything to
00:12:40be able to finish, well, then
00:12:43I sold doors and everything and didn't put the door. I had a curtain too
00:12:47that I took off now because well, with the rain I had to wash
00:12:50it. Yes, that is, you sold the door of your house
00:12:54to... be able to cancel part of the loan, she sold half of the house, that is,
00:12:58you sold almost everything, right? That is, I sold
00:13:01everything. Yes, and and how much
00:13:04do you still have left for these beds, hopefully? How much do you owe
00:13:08today now to cover and be calm?
00:13:11Yes, to cover and be calm, to be able to sleep
00:13:15calmly, it's approximately 5 million, 5
00:13:18million pesos. No, and and
00:13:21she sold practically everything she has in the house to be able
00:13:25to fill the gap, no, the desperation, I don't want to get into the
00:13:28other thing that Rodo was saying, which is the intention of taking her own life, do you
00:13:32have support, do you have a professional who is
00:13:35accompanying you? I, I was in
00:13:38treatment, I
00:13:41left the treatment because the pills were I had to take two
00:13:45a day and I lived totally drugged, which meant I couldn't help
00:13:49my mom with the kids, my mom is an elderly lady, which
00:13:52was too much of a burden for her, so... and leaving the
00:13:55treatment, in the second suicide attempt I had, my mom didn't
00:13:59take me to the hospital, because if they took me, they would
00:14:02intern me, they told me it would be from 15 days to a
00:14:05month and that was too much for her to stay with the
00:14:08kids, right? So, that's why I'm not hospitalized, let
00:14:12me see if I understand, you had to choose between being hospitalized and
00:14:16recovering and leaving the burden of raising your children
00:14:19to your mom, or not being hospitalized and giving
00:14:23your old lady a hand and taking care of your children.
00:14:25Even with the suffering of having, having tried to
00:14:29take your own life, it's a terrible story, it's
00:14:32terrible. Where, I ask the following, where
00:14:35are you living, because maybe people
00:14:39can come, they can donate a bed, they can donate
00:14:43some bricks, they can donate cement, they can donate the door, they
00:14:46can help you in some way so that you
00:14:49little by little and with some things can get ahead, where do you live,
00:14:53where is your house located? And street.
00:14:56José C. Paz, La Paz neighborhood, the street is Andrés
00:15:00Blanqui 3628.
00:15:02Well, wait, when Rodo, our colleague, Jimena,
00:15:06dear, was talking about threats,
00:15:08how long have you been suffering these threats and
00:15:12how are they? In what way do they
00:15:14threaten you?
00:15:17Uh, no, look, the Colombians, I have lenders who don't rush
00:15:21me, they know my situation and they are not rushing me, yes.
00:15:25The monthly ones, the daily ones that I owe them, that it's already
00:15:28going to be 8 months,
00:15:32they are Colombians who come on motorcycles, I don't know their names
00:15:35because yes. The monthly ones you owe are Argentinians,
00:15:39they are lenders who know you, they are Argentinians, they say I understand
00:15:43you, I'll give you a little more time, now the Colombians keep threatening you every
00:15:47day, they are the ones who charge you daily, no, and and when they tell you
00:15:51the threats that are in person, they approach with the motorcycle, your
00:15:53house,
00:15:56and they don't want, what they tell you is no, this can get worse, the
00:16:00others will come and they don't have, I don't have names of
00:16:04any of them, why? Because they don't handle
00:16:07transfers, they handle cash, because if they
00:16:11handle transfers, if I want to report them, I'll
00:16:14have the data, right? So what do they do, they handle cash so as not to leave
00:16:18any trace of anything, right, right, right, and and and the and they
00:16:22approach, it catches my attention, it worries me when he says the
00:16:25others, because the threat, there are several, because one falls
00:16:29into debt, no, no, but the others I think are the ones who are going to try to
00:16:33assassinate her, because the ones who threaten her with death, it's
00:16:36like that, Jimena. Do you interpret the same as me when they tell you the others are the ones who do the dirty
00:16:40work?
00:16:43Of course, well, the last time I attended to them, because
00:16:46after that I told my brother to directly tell
00:16:49them that I wasn't there, many times they came when I was
00:16:53at my appointment with the psychiatrist or psychologist, and
00:16:56I just said, well, I'm going to tell them I'm at the doctor, I would tell
00:17:00them, because the last time I spoke,
00:17:04one of them just said, I want the money and I want it now, I don't care about
00:17:07your problems, so I just said, well, you have food every day, sometimes I don't
00:17:11even have enough to buy a packet of rice for my children, I tell him, so
00:17:15understand that I don't have it, because I'm giving him an idea, I tell him, so he
00:17:19knows my situation, I tell him, I have things
00:17:22to sell, I tell him, but well, at the moment they don't
00:17:26sell and the one who threatens me the most is one to whom I
00:17:29owe only five installments of
00:17:3218, so that's the most dangerous with the surcharge, I don't know if they are
00:17:35armed when they go, of course.
00:17:45Do you see armed people, do they show you weapons, do they show you knives? No, I can't say anything, no, no, no, no, it's just like they think that because they are Colombians, one has to be afraid of them, okay, I
00:17:48don't, I mean, I'm not afraid of
00:17:51them, but you know, you can never be, but you have to be cautious in
00:17:55life. Wait, I'll add Robert, Robert, you
00:17:58who are an economist and who live by numbers every day, dear
00:18:03Jimena's situation, how many people go directly?
00:18:07To a scammer, not to a Colombian as they say in the neighborhoods, it's the
00:18:11derivative and since it cannot be measured, there is no measurement, what we can
00:18:14see is the systemic that today with the
00:18:18banking system 12.8%
00:18:23the fintech system 33%, but what
00:18:26these lenders are not in any system, no, that's why it's difficult to
00:18:30measure it, what we are also talking about in the fintech
00:18:33system of debts of 100,000 pesos, 200,000 pesos and.
00:18:37When people end up, exactly,
00:18:40they are small debts, exactly, and the other
00:18:44problem that is seen that is also derived
00:18:48what is homicide in occasion of robbery 3.5
00:18:53has shot up these last two years is the number of suicides which is at
00:18:5711.8 per 100,000 inhabitants, which is
00:19:00saying that this problem that Jimena is showing, that is happening to
00:19:04her, that she is living, a lot of people are living.
00:19:08Look, speaking of a lot of people, Gime, don't go, Gime, nod, I'll ask you a question
00:19:12now, Gime, that has to do with the rest of the neighbors in the
00:19:16neighborhood, how many neighbors are,
00:19:19I'm not saying in a similar situation, but who went to the
00:19:22lender, you'll answer me now, why? Because
00:19:25there are many people who are
00:19:28just like Jimena, there's Brian, no, Brian,
00:19:32hello, Brian, how are you, Brian arrived at the channel door, you tell me if
00:19:36I'm lying or not?
00:19:40You arrived at the channel door desperate asking for help because you can't take it anymore,
00:19:43even crying, yes, they found you crying at the channel door asking
00:19:47please for us to give you a hand, you are also a victim of the loans from the
00:19:51Colombians, no. Not Colombian, but people from the neighborhood
00:19:54who well, today due to
00:19:58circumstances, due to not having much
00:20:01work, I was also
00:20:04fired from a job, three years off the
00:20:08books, they fired me with a cause that is
00:20:12fine, I had to miss work for health reasons
00:20:16of my own, but as a guard they didn't want to give me a certificate, they fired me and
00:20:20so that's why I was left with all this debt
00:20:22that unfortunately today it became
00:20:26it became a lot, it's
00:20:29a matter of no, but you had your job, you had to miss work for
00:20:33personal reasons, and at what point did you incur this debt? Was
00:20:36it when you were working and I
00:20:40was asking one before, before having that
00:20:44job, I already had a loan, why?
00:20:47Because we are in a difficult situation and I see you very
00:20:51emotional, we will do our best to help you, Brian, but I want to
00:20:55understand why you get to that point, I mean what are the debts with
00:20:58paying the rent, with paying the utilities, with
00:21:02supporting your children, I don't know if you have my children, yes, I have three children
00:21:06and
00:21:08I went into debt for them also, so
00:21:11that today you can't afford a
00:21:14luxury, but to give them a luxury
00:21:17that much no no it wasn't really
00:21:21possible and and well today
00:21:26happened happened, the debt got
00:21:30stuck, I was paying, I was paying until at some
00:21:33point it was too much, so much waiting, the
00:21:36interest went up a lot and in the daily life, Brian, when you talk
00:21:40about luxuries, you talk about going to the
00:21:43movies, no, special food, I don't know, a
00:21:46barbecue,
00:21:48something for the house, because today directly you can't afford
00:21:52many luxuries, how is the economy, how is
00:21:56everything, I honestly it's that, being able to go out,
00:21:59yes, why not, but wait, because when you get
00:22:03fired from a job and you don't have the possibility of doing odd jobs, you don't think about
00:22:08what you think about is feeding the kids, how many kids do you have? I have
00:22:12three underage kids, all underage.
00:22:16How much was the amount of the first loan you took out?
00:22:19500,000. 500,000 and they demanded you pay it back
00:22:23in how many installments? Of what amount? From one month to the next. From one
00:22:27month to the next and how much did you have to pay for 500, how much did you have to return? One
00:22:30million. Double, double.
00:22:33And how do you return a million if you don't have a job? You bet on
00:22:36getting an odd job, finding some little job. Of course, paying it off and paying
00:22:40quickly by week for the odd jobs I was doing
00:22:44and no, yes. There wasn't, no, there wasn't because there was no
00:22:47solution because it was either feed them and save and give
00:22:51it to them, no. Feed them and now how much do you owe,
00:22:54Brian, today, approximately
00:22:565
00:22:59million, the same as Jimena, the same amount
00:23:02as Jimena. Jimena was talking about five million, Brian is talking about 5
00:23:05million.
00:23:09A huge debt that you can't control. There are two
00:23:12things here, there is a clear intention from Jimena and Brian
00:23:16to take out the loan out of necessity, not to buy televisions but to
00:23:21feed their children, even Jimena betting on buying merchandise to sell and for her
00:23:25business to resurface, the one she had set up, do you want us to go to some message, Black, to
00:23:29see what people tell us? Well, we ask people
00:23:32then to send us a message too if they also want to help this person,
00:23:361161765692.
00:23:38We await your messages and collaboration from everyone. Well, Brian, we will continue with you because
00:23:42Jimena is here, come on, let's go, we are with
00:23:45again we wanted to ask you about this that
00:23:48you were just mentioning,
00:23:51the food, the daily life, you said that you had five children, therefore
00:23:54I imagine it must be very difficult
00:23:58to have the money for the plate of food every day, are you also
00:24:02complicated with that? Do you have a job now, how do you
00:24:05get by?
00:24:07I don't have a job, I go out when it doesn't rain
00:24:11to sell at the fairs, I had bought some
00:24:14merchandise, things to sell
00:24:17on the street, I have a lot left because I couldn't
00:24:21sell it, it doesn't
00:24:24the food issue, my mom is helping me, but it's also
00:24:28difficult for her and there are days when she doesn't have any and it's
00:24:32trying to see where we can get something so they have at least a
00:24:36plate of food at night, if we don't get it during the day, we have to get it for the
00:24:39night now, I'm going to ask you, this is
00:24:43tremendous what she said, but it's a plate of food per day, if you don't eat during
00:24:47the day, throughout the day, at least eat at night.
00:24:52There you realize why people can't face the payment
00:24:55of that loan, take responsibility for what they took on, Brian's
00:24:59issue must be the same, this
00:25:14what's left for Jimena to sell? She sold the, she sold the
00:25:17door, she sold the door of her
00:25:21house to be able to pay the loan.
00:25:24She sold a box spring, I think Rodo mentioned the kitchen
00:25:28at some point, now she has three small beds, a couple of mattresses and
00:25:32nothing else to sell. If she sells the mattresses, they sleep on
00:25:35the floor, Jimena, there's nothing
00:25:37left.
00:25:43The only thing I have left is this, this is the only thing you have left, the mattress and the trundle bed, that's
00:25:46all.
00:25:51This is all they have here, how many people live here, Jimena? Do you have another
00:25:55room, do you have a kitchen, do you have a bathroom, you have nothing?
00:25:58No, no,
00:26:01no, the bathroom is my mom's and for cooking, well, now that
00:26:05I sold the kitchen, I cook with my mom's kitchen.
00:26:09How many live there, Jimena? The sheet that I had for the roof,
00:26:12there are four of us here, my three kids and
00:26:15me.
00:26:17Yes, there are three, there are four of us, yes, because my other daughter
00:26:20is sleeping with my
00:26:24mom. Well, sure, so you have your mom, the
00:26:27truth is it shouldn't be the situation because you are trying to progress, but
00:26:31you say you have your mom who can help you. to help with cooking, with
00:26:35raising your children, but until when can an older adult help her daughter with five
00:26:38children? Not that she was trying to start a business, until
00:26:41when to have a business, right? Because my mom has health problems
00:26:45too, for this Jime, Brian, does the
00:26:49same thing happen to you? You had to sell your belongings,
00:26:53not really, because unfortunately I don't have much, he can't
00:26:56speak, he's very upset, uh, I don't have
00:27:00many valuable things, and the valuable things I have are my
00:27:04children's, but really
00:27:07I haven't reached that point, but
00:27:11uh, nothing, instead of selling my things I had to try to do odd jobs as I told you, what
00:27:14do you know how to do, what do you know how to do? Uh, everything, you
00:27:17can communicate, bricklayer, cut
00:27:20grass, fix roofs, they fixed roofs, I was a
00:27:23gastronomic worker, a hustler, I was a gastronomic worker for 12 years,
00:27:27Brian, phone number, do you want to give a phone number on air and maybe people can give you an
00:27:31odd job, if they can, our phone number is, for
00:27:34us to take advantage of the real-time phone number for Saturday so that people
00:27:38can send a message again,
00:27:40116176 56 92, let them send
00:27:44messages to help you too and everything they want to send us
00:27:4711 6176 56 92, well Brian, stop
00:27:50and uh Brian,
00:27:53are they going to threaten you at your doorstep as Jimena said,
00:27:56uh, they send me messages, do you have messages
00:28:00there? Uh yes, the production will ask for them now,
00:28:03guys, someone from production, ask for the messages of how they threaten him, yes,
00:28:07uh, uh, to that point that I didn't want
00:28:10to reach, yes, I'm scared for my
00:28:13family, but are you scared that they will go to your house and get your
00:28:16family because that's what I said when I arrived, but
00:28:20I didn't know, I apologize, I didn't know, I apologize, everything is fine, I
00:28:24apologize on air, I didn't know, but why uh, why are you scared? Do they live near
00:28:27your house? Yes, I have, don't give
00:28:30details but tell us, I have two children with disabilities and I'm
00:28:34afraid of
00:28:37they are already scared with their issue, do your children
00:28:41know about this situation? No, are you
00:28:44living with someone besides your children? Uh, no,
00:28:47no, it's just you with your children, yes, I had
00:28:50to unfortunately
00:28:54ask for resources from my mom and
00:29:00money, my mom is a retiree. They live alone,
00:29:05helped me to a point, but well, unfortunately, that's what we
00:29:08told you, calm down, we'll be back with you, Rodo, go ahead, you're with Jimena, Jimena
00:29:12is there watching,
00:29:14uh, if she receives any message, if there's a message to help
00:29:17Jimena, yes, Caro, whatever you have, you're not going to
00:29:20interrupt, right? Absolute priority to the people who
00:29:24communicate with us and who want to offer some kind of help or whatever,
00:29:27Robert, what should people do when they are in this extreme situation?
00:29:31I was fired, I don't have a job, I don't have a dime, I have to pay for electricity,
00:29:35gas, phone, feed my children, I go, I don't go to the
00:29:37loan shark, the first thing to say is that people go to the
00:29:41loan shark because it's their last resort and the only resort, what's missing is
00:29:45a policy from the state, also let's see, in both
00:29:49Jimena's case, the neatness she has in her house, in her
00:29:52home, in her things, how she takes care of everything, and in Brian's
00:29:56case, let's see how he has the will to work and keep
00:29:59working, he worked for 12 years and they fired him... while
00:30:03working informally, that's what can't keep happening, it can't keep happening that
00:30:06if you don't pay something you can go to jail, but if you don't pay employer
00:30:10contributions, nothing happens, then when they come and we only
00:30:14question the poor, you know what happens to us, we question the
00:30:17poor, I'm sure that on the other side there will be a lot of people who
00:30:21will also tell us, but he went to buy a barbecue, guys, at some
00:30:25point you have to be able to treat yourself, we're not talking about
00:30:29going to Miami, to Disney, we're talking
00:30:32about a piece of meat to eat and to enjoy with the family, that's not a
00:30:36treat, it's not a luxury, guys, Argentina is very bad if we
00:30:40believe that a piece of barbecue on the grill is a
00:30:43luxury, the minimum wage went from buying 43
00:30:47kg of barbecue to buying only 20 kg of barbecue,
00:30:50that's the reality of what's happening in Argentina, let's see, we're back with Jimena, go ahead Rodo, we
00:30:54hear you, you're there with Jim, Rodo,
00:30:57go ahead, you know what I...