Argentina: Crónica

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00:00:08your husband and other merchants who are there in the neighborhood are
00:00:12she wasn't accompanied precisely with forced to invest in improving the
00:00:15street to be able to continue to have clientele
00:00:18so that people can come to buy. You merchants
00:00:22from that neighborhood, if you don't fix the streets, you'll lose customers because
00:00:26it's impossible. This that is happening that you're telling us about,
00:00:30I heard it yesterday from a woman in General
00:00:32will surely be Rodríguez, eh, I heard it in other
00:00:35towns in different areas in the province of Buenos Aires, where
00:00:39people, the neighbor has to spend
00:00:42out of their own pocket to install streetlights, fill the
00:00:46potholes, eh, paint the street signs
00:00:49with the names of the street, eh,
00:00:52help unblock the ditches with rotten water, because this is what
00:00:55is seen in many, many neighborhoods in the province of Buenos Aires, unfortunately it's a
00:01:01bites from wild animals in reality. that must be said, there
00:01:02the area, had a wound in is a certain state of abandonment in many places, now that the neighbor himself, who is currently
00:01:06economically
00:01:09could be the way struggling, that the merchant who suffers from the drop in sales and
00:01:13consumption has to spend to fix the streets, it already
00:01:16seems to me that it's the limit, they can't do more
00:01:19Aurelia, and besides, you suffer from insecurity, I mean,
00:01:23it's a deadly combo,
00:01:24this.
00:01:28Yes, supposedly. It's like that and
00:01:31yes, here where we
00:01:35sell, there's light in front here, but it's
00:01:38from us, it's not them who put
00:01:42it. We put it ourselves
00:01:45so that there is light, for example, only in this part,
00:01:49but further than that, we can't help
00:01:52as everyone
00:01:56does, we only put it in this part. So a little while ago you told us that the
00:02:00other business had also suffered a similar robbery. Are you
00:02:03talking to the owners of other businesses there in your own
00:02:07neighborhood or in other nearby places? What are they telling you?
00:02:10What is the situation they are
00:02:12photographs of experiencing?
00:02:16clothes that they would have found very close to Uh, this, I told him that the same robbery
00:02:19that happened, happened in Alpino, but I don't
00:02:22know about the one that is a
00:02:24nearby neighborhood, this one you're mentioning, no, no, it's a
00:02:28bit far, it's a bit far. Alpino is far from here,
00:02:31in, I don't know, a kilometer it could be.
00:02:35And I don't know because that, when
00:02:39it happened, that same afternoon they took my husband to
00:02:43started today at 7 in declare at 7, around there, so at that moment, the
00:02:46guy arrived and said he
00:02:50arrived bleeding and came
00:02:52while to see who can inform us, what to file a complaint because they took his weapon, the guy had a
00:02:55weapon when he was buying, he said they hit him with the butt
00:02:59of the gun in the face and he came bleeding, he said, he was
00:03:02an older man, he said, so
00:03:06the owner didn't come to report it. Aurelia, we ask you for a
00:03:09minute, a minute,
00:03:11dressed, eh, that's what's Aurelia, stay with Juan Pablo Weerry and with our colleague who is there, eh, we are
00:03:15going to continue chatting with you, the truth is that the story impacts, it hurts, not only for what
00:03:18you had to live through, the robbery and the beating you suffered, but also for the effort that
00:03:22you make first as neighbors and then as merchants to
00:03:26be able to sustain the blocks, the streets of the neighborhood there
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00:05:12I feel alone surrounded by
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00:05:18Sometimes I feel like I can't go on anymore. Suicide is not an individual
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00:06:17Very good, time for real-time headlines. 8:35, session
00:06:21in the Senate. The government is going for a new mental
00:06:24health law. It will session from 2 p.m. and the project introduces
00:06:27changes in hospitalizations, judicial controls and the integration of
00:06:31professional teams. Also an invitation to the Pope will be debated
00:06:35to speak in Congress during his visit to
00:06:38Argentina.
00:06:45Tragedy in Spain, search for a missing Argentinian,
00:06:48Agustín Randazzo was traveling in one of the wagons that fell down an
00:06:52embankment due to the impact of the crash, his family stated that
00:06:55they still have no news about his
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00:07:04National teachers' strike, commotion over the discovery of Nancy. The
00:07:08teacher had been missing since October 7th, her
00:07:12body. It was semi-submerged meters away, a
00:07:15bag and a pair of
00:07:16boots were found.
00:07:23Calamar Festival, Platense, finalist of the Copa Argentina in
00:07:26Salta and after drawing one to one with Atlético Tucumán, Palermo's
00:07:30team won 5 to 4 in penalties
00:07:34and secured a spot in the final for the first time in its
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00:07:48Last
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00:07:56the worst ending for
00:07:58Nancy.
00:08:01The body begins to speak, how they
00:08:03killed her,
00:08:07the prosecutor's doubts about the
00:08:09detainees.
00:08:13They suspect she was murdered and her body was taken
00:08:15to the place of
00:08:17discovery.
00:08:20Everyone's question, why did they kill
00:08:22Nancy?
00:08:29Well, let's start with the end, the question that still has no answer, why
00:08:33did they kill Nancy, this 52-year-old
00:08:36teacher, there in the province of Corrientes? What did
00:08:40Nancy see, what did Nancy know, what happened? She
00:08:42eh,
00:08:44the femicide occurs due to an attempted sexual
00:08:48abuse, the femicide occurs due to the complaints Nancy made regarding
00:08:51the femicide occurs because there are
00:08:55other things that Nancy discovered and was about to
00:08:58and eh they
00:09:03in that estate from being known, these are several questions that the prosecutor still
00:09:07has no answer to, the correct thing is that eh
00:09:10yesterday the body was found. And the
00:09:13testimony of the brother of one of the detainees, of the only
00:09:17detainee,
00:09:19was very important. This woman who worked at the same estate, this woman who declared at some point that she
00:09:23fed Nancy, even declared that on Friday the 9th
00:09:26she had brought food to Nancy, that she had seen her alive,
00:09:30perhaps to gain time in the different
00:09:33versions that were later given as the detainees declared to the
00:09:37prosecutor, but the declaration of the brother of that
00:09:40detained woman helped.
00:09:43So that the prosecutor could arrive and find Nancy's body.
00:09:46Come on, now based on what you are mentioning, what I
00:09:50wonder is, with the errors that we always have to
00:09:54deal with when we have to report this type of case, the
00:09:58scene was not preserved,
00:10:00there was no perimeter that was totally preserved
00:10:04understanding that that school could be an important
00:10:07place, I mean, where they end up finding
00:10:10Nancy's body. If we are talking once
00:10:14again about a place that was not preserved, where the
00:10:17delinquent, the delinquent murderers entered that
00:10:21place and discarded Nancy's body as if nothing had
00:10:25happened. On the other hand, the first thing I have to ask myself is,
00:10:29why would they carry out an action like this, why would they
00:10:32complicate themselves, why would they put themselves in such a complex
00:10:35situation, returning to the place where Nancy herself had
00:10:39disappeared, was it so that the body wouldn't be near
00:10:42where, and another question that will be very
00:10:46important is, was Nancy kidnapped or
00:10:50did she die the same day and ended up being murdered the same
00:10:53day she disappeared? That
00:10:57resolved by the autopsy of Nancy's body,
00:11:00the teacher. The first version that emerged yesterday, and we'll add
00:11:04Gastón Marote, when they found the body
00:11:07semi-submerged in that swamp with that
00:11:10bag with clothes, with
00:11:12footwear, very close to where the body was found, about 10
00:11:16meters approximately, the version that became known over
00:11:20the hours is that Nancy's body, in addition to the
00:11:27the stomach area that the prosecutor
00:11:30estimates, believes, presumes
00:11:34the teacher was killed, exactly Dani, and also you
00:11:38just mentioned the brother of one of the detainees, Joaquín Leguizamón, let's put his
00:11:41full name, brother of Rosa, one of the main suspects, beyond
00:11:45the fact that the material perpetrator could be or
00:11:49is oriented towards Irineo Sarza, the foreman of the
00:11:52Curupí estate, but... he was the one who
00:11:56declared and would have provided, let's say in potential, the area
00:11:59or would have oriented, so to speak, in the place where the searches were carried out yesterday
00:12:03and finally they found Nancy's body.
00:12:07They say they hadn't searched that place before, it wasn't searched, no, no, no, no,
00:12:11in fact, they got there guided by the statement, a statement from
00:12:14Joaquín Leízamo, what did he say? Well, obviously, the
00:12:18testimony is not yet available, but in principle, they didn't arrest him either, because you
00:12:21say, well, if you say where the body
00:12:24could be, and it turns out it's there, you could have some connection to
00:12:28that, but apparently it would be from something the sister heard in some
00:12:32messages and so on, because messages also
00:12:35appear, and we'll comment on that later, messages from the
00:12:38seized cell phones of two of the detainees, in which
00:12:42there is also an orientation, because the justice, at least a week ago,
00:12:46already classified it as femicide, they still needed to find the body, unfortunately,
00:12:49no, but why do they directly classify it as femicide based on certain matters
00:12:53and certain messages? That they found on the cell phones that we'll talk about
00:12:57later, but yes, Joaquín Lee Samón's contribution was fundamental, and there are
00:13:01five detainees, of whom perhaps one, who is the least serious, Bordón, who was the
00:13:04first, but pay attention to this name, Ernesto Bordón, no, Ernesto
00:13:07Bordón, at the very beginning, when he goes to
00:13:11testify and is detained, he is indicted, I think, for perjury, perjury,
00:13:14eh, Bordón is the person who
00:13:18declares in a first instance that Nancy was
00:13:22killed by two people and that they had thrown
00:13:26the body far from the rural school, that is Bordón's first declaration,
00:13:29Bordón's. What happens next is that a renowned media
00:13:33family lawyer appears, yes, who begins to try
00:13:37to distort that statement by saying that he is a laborer, that he has no
00:13:41education, that he is illiterate, that the
00:13:45police beat him, pressured him, threatened him to
00:13:48make this type of statement, but at that time, when he is
00:13:52arrested days after the complaint. Remember that Nancy, the
00:13:56last contact she had with one of her children was on October 7th and the family filed the
00:14:00complaint a week later, not because they weren't
00:14:03interested in what was happening with the teacher, but because it was the time it took
00:14:06Nancy to return, she was a week at school and then she returned,
00:14:10that had to be added to the El Niño effect, the rain, the storms
00:14:14that made it even more difficult for the teacher to leave her little school
00:14:17to return home, first a stretch on horseback and then by car
00:14:21on the road, no, eh, so it didn't call attention
00:14:25that they didn't have contact, when the complaint is made and Bordón declares after
00:14:29that complaint, I insist with this data that today is not minor, Gastón, no,
00:14:33at that moment, Bordón said Nancy was killed, it was
00:14:36two men and they threw her very far from the little school,
00:14:40which is what happened yesterday, it was discovered that it was practically how
00:14:44much? 15 km, no, 2 km,
00:14:47let's say all 15 km, sir, but then it was adjusted
00:14:53the little school, from the school. A little more than the distance, 5
00:14:56km, difficult access, very difficult, water
00:14:59and vegetation, this is one of the points, extensive
00:15:02swamps, flooded area, dense
00:15:05vegetation, there are no passable roads for conventional
00:15:09vehicles, nor for people who can
00:15:13get there on foot, therefore, the first thing to say
00:15:16is if there is no path where people commonly
00:15:19travel, neither by vehicle nor by walking, that it can be
00:15:23with some animal, even with some horse, which is the way Nancy
00:15:27herself moved, we are talking primarily about a
00:15:30baqueano, about a person who knew that the body would not be found
00:15:34in that place, at least not immediately. And there is another
00:15:38issue that is very important in the investigation is that in the
00:15:41place where they end up finding Nancy there is no signal of any kind,
00:15:45therefore the geolocation was very
00:15:48difficult to establish, yes, that's why the contribution of Rosa's brother is fundamental,
00:15:52but I ask another question, if you can only get to the place
00:15:55on horseback because it gives the impression that that is eh the
00:15:59clue, eh, if they say dense vegetation,
00:16:02therefore if you don't know, if you don't know the place you can't even get there on
00:16:06horseback.
00:16:16Yes, if one is a ranch foreman, there are two foremen on the
00:16:20ranch. Well, that's why I say, give me the last names
00:16:24of the foremen, you have Irineo Sarza,
00:16:27you have Rojas who is Rosa Leguizamón's husband,
00:16:31you have Bordón himself and Sandoval, and Sandoval. Sandoval and Sarza are the
00:16:34foremen of the ranch there in Esquina. Eh,
00:16:38knowledgeable, experienced, many years working in the place, they know how to
00:16:41move through the swamps, eh, it's an area where they found the body
00:16:45with difficult access, yes, clearly, but not for everyone, for the prosecutor
00:16:49surely, for the police personnel as well, for Nancy,
00:16:52absolutely, eh, for any of us, difficult
00:16:56access, now not for someone who is a local, someone who is a foreman of an estate who
00:16:59knows every corner, who knows how to manage the horse's times and fears
00:17:03and how to transport cattle with those characteristics
00:17:06of the land and how to transport in this case the teacher's
00:17:10body, that's what the prosecutor is aiming for, no, but now there's also a
00:17:13clumsiness because the body remains semi-
00:17:16submerged and there's a bag that remains 10 meters from the place
00:17:20with belongings that were seized, eh, let's
00:17:23see, if this plan was armed, was orchestrated, was analyzed,
00:17:26thought out, why leave a bag so only 10 meters from Nancy's body, why
00:17:30leave Nancy's body exposed,
00:17:33another thing, some, I saw, yesterday I heard
00:17:36my friend and colleague Fed Frick and he asked this question with good
00:17:40reason, Fede, did they see the clothes that were
00:17:43seized in Rosa Leguizamón's house? No,
00:17:47they didn't see them, are there the burned
00:17:53the house of the foreman Sarza? Did they
00:17:56see them? Nobody saw absolutely anything, I'm not saying it's not in the
00:17:59case, I'm simply joining Fede's doubt regarding
00:18:03whether they exist or not or whether they were versions that
00:18:06were given. Commonly in the transparency that is carried out,
00:18:10they try to present or give some information to the press
00:18:13so that they observe, for example, that they have the specific evidence
00:18:17of how the seizures are carried out and the evidence that
00:18:21I ask, the clumsiness of leaving the bag and that can't
00:18:24also be that, let's say, they
00:18:27acted with impunity thinking that they would never find the body because in the end, thanks to
00:18:31Rosa's brother's contribution, the body is found, otherwise today maybe they would still be
00:18:34looking for it, I ask, eh, why did Rosa's brother
00:18:38break down? What made the brother break down? The brother knew
00:18:42because Rosa herself told him, because Sarza told
00:18:45him, because his brother-in-law told him at a family dinner, at a
00:18:48moment of intimacy with the family, because
00:18:52or because he heard something or because he saw how
00:18:55Nancy was killed, no, there are several questions,
00:18:59I go back to Bordón's statement, Bordón said in his statement
00:19:02he had seen, he had seen how they killed the
00:19:06teacher. In what way? With a cut in the stomach
00:19:10area, having seen the people, eh, and in that
00:19:13statement by Bordón, eh, when he tells the
00:19:16prosecutor, the first thing that comes up is to deny this because
00:19:20they treat him as illiterate, not as a person who invented
00:19:23everything, eh, simply to eh get away with it.
00:19:27Look, this is the chronology, forgive me, the timeline. October 6th,
00:19:30Nancy leaves her home in
00:19:33the morning heading to the Curupí estate, eh,
00:19:37and she always went there, first by car, then by horse, remember?
00:19:40Exactly, she was given, the horse from here, another thing, the horse Nancy
00:19:44used, did it appear? No, it didn't appear, because they couldn't
00:19:47find it, it's not hers, it's not Nancy's, the
00:19:50teacher's, it's from the estate, some linked
00:19:54it to a borrowed horse given by Rosa Lezama, but it never
00:19:57appeared, no, when they went to count the horses, which one was missing?
00:20:01Precisely the one Nancy used, you know
00:20:04Negrita, everyone knows that when someone gives you a horse, there's a kind
00:20:08of relationship, you know the horse's times, the horse gets used to the person
00:20:12riding it, that horse disappeared, now I have another question
00:20:15also regarding what you are mentioning, she
00:20:19said, she said and her son also confirmed
00:20:22that when she carried out these transfers of so many
00:20:26hours, there was usually someone who accompanied her, yes, they always
00:20:30took turns, well, maybe it could be the foreman, it could be Leguizamón's
00:20:33husband, maybe in this part of what
00:20:37Gastón was asking, whether the body, beyond the fact that I confirm the
00:20:41following, guys, a person with experience riding a horse
00:20:44can carry a calf, can carry a sheep, can carry absolutely
00:20:48live or some animal that they killed to butcher,
00:20:51so they could have
00:20:55easily without any kind of inconvenience, but what I wonder
00:20:58is if she wasn't with someone, if
00:21:02the horse and then they also made it disappear, they let the horse go, they made
00:21:06it disappear, clear, on October 7th at 8:34 PM
00:21:09exactly, Nancy's own son says that it is the
00:21:13last moment he communicates with his mother, to the question that
00:21:16we asked him, hey, do you think that message, that could have
00:21:20been from your mom, he said yes, that she was usually quite short or
00:21:24brief in the messages she wrote and the only thing she ended up indicating was that she was
00:21:28fine, well and you have October 8th, no, where from that moment because
00:21:32as Ana rightly pointed out it's the last contact, from October 8th
00:21:35the days of lack of communication begin to be counted,
00:21:38no messages, no calls, no signal
00:21:42of life and many, as I told you at one point, members of Nancy's
00:21:46family assumed it was due to the lack of
00:21:50signal in the area of the rural school, in the middle of the countryside, in the middle of an estate,
00:21:53and at the same time the weather situation, the El Niño effect that caused
00:21:57the storms that hit the Corrientes area a lot, the Esquina area,
00:22:01to prevent this woman you are seeing on screen from leaving the
00:22:04little school and taking longer to return home, you know what the message was, or rather,
00:22:08the data that finally convinced justice that there was a
00:22:12femicide even without having found the body, and that we
00:22:15obviously have to find out, is the expert report of two cell phones,
00:22:19on two cell phones. There is a message from one to another of those
00:22:21devices, the message is what do we do with the
00:22:25teacher, that message, there is a
00:22:28message from one of the detainees' cell phones to another detainee's
00:22:32cell phone, what do we do with the teacher? That
00:22:35message, exactly, one can interpret it in different ways, what do we do with the
00:22:39teacher before, before the femicide, what do we do with the
00:22:42teacher to make her shut up for something she is reporting, or what do we do with the
00:22:46teacher once she has been killed, what do we do with the teacher?
00:23:20Vale, we tell him, well, the technical part surely heard you,
00:23:23now yes, today is a day
00:23:26that we are all expectant regarding any
00:23:29preliminary report that may arise, the autopsy began at 7 in the
00:23:33morning in the city of Corrientes
00:23:36Capital, we are waiting for the beloved one who will be present in a
00:23:42we can confirm is that yesterday there was a press
00:23:45conference from the Ministry of Security where they explained how the procedures were.
00:23:58That is confirmed and the body was
00:24:01important, this, the body was dressed,
00:24:05eh, with this, what can we say, Mauro? Could
00:24:08I, I know it's too soon and these are speculations, you are in the
00:24:12place and you handle the information regarding
00:24:15eh, us who are here in a better
00:24:18way, no, but I mean this.
00:24:20Would this be ruling out the hypothesis of sexual
00:24:23abuse?
00:24:26moment because it is undoubtedly a place of discarding,
00:24:30of discarding. It is a very
00:24:33sloppy matter to be something very premeditated because the
00:24:37body is exposed outdoors, precisely the
00:24:41state of decomposition it has has to do with the fact that it was half
00:24:44in the water, half in the sun, the rains, the sun,
00:24:48rain, sun, sun, and it is very difficult, the
00:24:51experts said, that due to the
00:24:54state of decomposition, it is quite
00:24:57complex to find traces that could
00:25:01indicate if there was abuse. no, but
00:25:04I'll interrupt you, we have a breaking news, don't go, we'll continue with
00:25:08you,
00:25:11the latest
00:25:14news spoke.
00:25:20Nancy's family lawyer spoke,
00:25:22the primary
00:25:26hypothesis is sexual abuse followed by
00:25:29death,
00:25:35well, exactly what I asked Mauro, based on the fact that they found
00:25:39Nancy's body dressed, absolutely totally
00:25:42dressed, the first thing one asks is if sexual
00:25:45abuse is ruled out, however, for Nancy's family's lawyer, it is the main
00:25:49hypothesis. There are contradictions here, dressed could be
00:25:52dressed with torn clothes, that could be
00:25:55an interpretation, there is no information on how it
00:25:59was, how they found the clothes, it could also be Mauro that... semi
00:26:03submerged body has to do with the rise or not
00:26:06of that body of water where it was found as a consequence of the storms and
00:26:10temperatures, one does not know if it was dragged by
00:26:13some wild animal in the area also at some point it is
00:26:17very, very hard to go into details of how they found the
00:26:20body and very early and very early also, it
00:26:24is very early, what I can tell you,
00:26:27it's a field of tall grass, a field of tall grass where the body was lying
00:26:31and next to the tall grass, yes there is a pit, so
00:26:34evidently there was always some water, that's
00:26:38why the discard was very sloppy, clear, uh, always now
00:26:42the issue is that we cannot specify in terms of clothing because half of the
00:26:46torso is in very bad condition, it is in bad condition,
00:26:50so it is in bad condition, the body is in bad condition, you
00:26:53know Mauro, uh that yesterday at the last minute and a little before
00:26:57also there was talk of a wound in the area of the
00:27:00abdomen, not a wound that had caused Nancy's
00:27:04death, this, I don't know if this transcended
00:27:08officially or not, but no, no, uh, I asked a
00:27:12question, excuse me for interrupting you, I asked a
00:27:14question in relation to that and they explain to me that because of the
00:27:18state the body was in, there are certain
00:27:21detachments of the skin, of the flesh,
00:27:25sorry, I have to say, but it looks like
00:27:28gashes, but they cannot confirm anything, until the...
00:27:32but they cannot be, I ask you this Mauro, it is very
00:27:36specific data, but what my
00:27:40colleague was also asking you is important, there can be some kind of wound that is not
00:27:44necessarily from the attack but from the animals that
00:27:47roam the place, that is one of the questions and given the torn
00:27:51clothes, sorry, this literal thing I am
00:27:54mentioning, but it will be investigated, it could
00:27:58also be part of the same thing, you said that the
00:28:00extremities were not...
00:28:03there, we could say that that is also part of the same thing, no, there is a
00:28:07cut, sorry, sorry for the data that is
00:28:10strong, it is strong, but it has to do with the fact that
00:28:13apparently according to another source it is an area of
00:28:16piranhas, yes, that extremity
00:28:20was eaten by piranhas,
00:28:23yes, so uh, besides it suggests
00:28:26that being
00:28:29consumed by piranhas, that part
00:28:33of the torso could have been naked, so
00:28:35there is a lot that still needs to be investigated,
00:28:38to wait, it will take approximately 4 days,
00:28:42the autopsies already
00:28:45the morning, so we await preliminary reports, to see
00:28:49how this will continue, it is good that you mark with caution the
00:28:52different data of this investigation, Mauro, first out of
00:28:56respect for the family, this, of course and respect for
00:29:00the teacher.
00:29:03of course also, not in Nancy's memory, but you know that I
00:29:06believe that the perpetrators of this femicide or those who
00:29:10took the body because we don't know if the perpetrators were the same ones who took Nancy's body
00:29:14is there, we cannot determine it yet, uh I
00:29:17think they played with the possibility of the children's effect, the
00:29:21storm, the water level in that body of water so that the water
00:29:24could carry Nancy's body or that it would be totally
00:29:28submerged, so I think that they precisely played with this
00:29:31possibility. clearly from what you are telling us it did not happen
00:29:35based on the very harsh
00:29:37details with which Nancy's body was found,
00:29:41no, yes, no, but besides, I think they never
00:29:43imagined that all the national media would be covering it
00:29:47immediately and that this would generate this mega-operation that
00:29:51found the body, I think they played that speculation
00:29:54of "we put it in a place that nobody has and nature will take care
00:29:58of it, here it will remain as a missing person nothing more", well
00:30:02that. it worked and I speculate and I'm going to take this
00:30:05liberty, I speculate that this appearance of the body will
00:30:09change the psychology of the detained a bit and I think that
00:30:13something more will be able to be known because you say that someone might break down, yes
00:30:17I think they might break down because the body is already there, the body will somehow
00:30:20speak, so this pact that if we keep silent nothing
00:30:24will happen to us, I think that is broken, well two things Mauro I have
00:30:27to ask you, what led Rosa Leguizamón's sister
00:30:31to break down? and provide details to the prosecutor
00:30:35to to find Nancy's body
00:30:38what led the brother of the only detained, the only woman detained, to
00:30:42provide details where the body could be, and Joaquín
00:30:45Leguisamon was a person who was first pointed out by
00:30:48Gordón, yes, and Joaquín de
00:30:52in the sights of the investigation, yes, if he is
00:30:55looking for some salvation, I think it would have to do with that, not of...
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