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00:00:00eh, it's not like you're the only one, there are seven, no, but six who are
00:00:04in a critical situation, eh, I say this because the tragedy that this family
00:00:08is going through happens to a lot of families, yes, to a lot, it's not
00:00:11that they are alone in experiencing this, that they have eh, for example, someone who
00:00:15has a car and works in Uber or Didi, I mean the
00:00:18brands, it doesn't matter, in Uber, in Didi, whatever, and it gets crashed, and it's out of service
00:00:22for two, three, four months, that, that young man, that
00:00:26eh, the study, you know, of family is gone, yes, because it's their daily income, yes, of course.
00:00:30Of course, of course, that's how it is, well, including me, I, as
00:00:35that something happens, right? with the person who as I mentioned, I am bankrupt eh due to a debt I had with Banco
00:00:39Provincia and my debt has already
00:00:42been paid, I don't know, 20 times over,
00:00:46they withhold the same court withholds money from
00:00:49me and I already paid the debt 3 years ago and I can't get out of
00:00:53bankruptcy, no I can't get out of
00:00:58example, of it. they send eh, not directly. they deduct it from
00:01:01from the receipt, so to speak, I still can't get out of
00:01:05bankruptcy when I already paid the debt three
00:01:08years ago, yes, it's a big issue, the file is stuck, but
00:01:12you see how I, like in your case, all
00:01:15the problems of the Argentine family are coming
00:01:18of the place with together, look at the debt, the informal work, look,
00:01:21I'll give you a summary, I say this because those who are watching us should watch a bit of
00:01:25Crónica, guys, guys from the government and the opposition, watch Crónica, turn on the
00:01:29TV, stop watching the other channels that talk about politics 25 hours
00:01:33a day, watch a bit of Crónica, which is what's happening to people, all at once,
00:01:36look, you have, debt, eh,
00:01:40health issues difficult to manage because they don't give you
00:01:43medication and the attention you should have is an attention, like
00:01:46everything in Argentina, of great quality from the doctors, but
00:01:50without a penny because there's nothing in the hospitals, no, let's continue, with a lot of demand, your
00:01:54husband jobless, I mean not formally employed, but working with the
00:01:58motorbike informally, with no ability to get any credit because if you don't have a pay
00:02:01stub, it's complicated, on top of all that, you have a
00:02:06Run, run, bad guy. What little girl who is six, you told me, 6 years old, yes, who is already going
00:02:09to start school, she turned six last week, she has to stop doing
00:02:13gymnastics that she likes because they can't afford the fee anymore, on top of
00:02:17that, they run the risk of being evicted because they can't pay the rent anymore,
00:02:21probably in everything, but I mean in your
00:02:23the idea of family, the tragedy of many Argentinians comes together, it seems to me that they have
00:02:26to start seeing this, I know that watching Crónica is difficult for the guys who are in the most
00:02:30important powers of the country, the judicial power, the executive power, the legislative power, they don't want
00:02:34to see it, that's why sometimes they don't want to come, they don't want to give us interviews, because
00:02:37we show them, we are annoying to them, they don't want to
00:02:41get involved, says Eugenio, yes, they don't want to get involved, we are annoying to them and let
00:02:44them like the political channels because I asked for help, where did you go,
00:02:48Eugenia, I asked for help, I eh, talked
00:02:52with social development, I talked with a lot
00:02:55of, I don't know, from soup kitchens, everything,
00:02:58you don't have. I don't know, for example, you have 10 people, you have
00:03:02Good morning, I'm here at to wait for one of the 10 to stop coming,
00:03:04then you get it. For example, that kind of thing, yes, no
00:03:08one has to leave for you to get a completely, you know what I call it, you know what I call that, the
00:03:12poor people's hot seat, you see, it's a hot seat for
00:03:16the poor, because one person who doesn't have a
00:03:18key, is that in the interior of penny or something happened to them, and many guys are homeless,
00:03:21terrible things happen to them, problematic consumption, a lot of
00:03:25things, so they stop going and they give it to someone else, and yes, but what happens is, be careful, also, many
00:03:29soup kitchens are already unable to do anything, eh, they no longer have because
00:03:33people don't donate things to them, but you know what's happening, I'm going to say something
00:03:37that needs to be said, this government is a government that spends a lot on social
00:03:40plans, social aid, eh, this government is not a government that cut
00:03:44there, it cut the middle class, it
00:03:47this, what do we do with cut public workers, but to the popular sectors, it continues to give a lot of things, and
00:03:49you know why it's not enough, because if there's no work, nothing
00:03:52is enough, badly organized, that is, today this
00:03:56government that was supposed to organize social programs continues
00:04:00paying, continues allocating money badly used.
00:04:04Before, the intermediaries kept something, no, well, today people have
00:04:07money that doesn't help them, that doesn't help them because
00:04:10look what a thing, but it didn't
00:04:13give them work, which is what it was supposed to do, remember that they were going to
00:04:15teach
00:04:22I have to say this government has few successes but having
00:04:25removed the intermediaries of poverty seems like a huge success to me,
00:04:29guys, there's a man, there's a
00:04:31man,
00:04:34help us, in particular the result of the
00:04:36success,
00:04:39don't give me a speech, stop, don't give me an empty speech, I'm going to tell you something serious, you know what
00:04:43it is, you know what the success is, you know what the, but
00:04:46when the hunger of the people, I don't know, they are ready-made phrases,
00:04:50$1 pesos, 1500, what but every day we have a person helping, I go out and at the
00:04:52door there are people until 10 at night,
00:04:55so
00:04:58in the test, I see 10 people. Okay, we are, okay, we are, I'm going to say it clearly,
00:05:02you know what this government changed, whether you like it or not, you know what changed, that
00:05:06a person who managed 30,000 million pesos a
00:05:09year who has a chain, I'm not going to say who it is, I ask you. Let me
00:05:12finish because people know it, no, no, no, no, who has a chain
00:05:16of chains, eh, he had a chain of cafes that
00:05:20recently went bankrupt, he was a person who 3 years ago, I'm not going to
00:05:24say,
00:05:27who 3 years ago, who three or four years ago was an official of the Alberto
00:05:30Fernández government and had a chain, no, let's see, if not base
00:05:34sir,
00:05:38wait a second, because in the middle
00:05:41there's Eugenia. who told us her story, who also came to the channel's door,
00:05:45I mean, eh, all the time, the truth is we have people at the channel's door
00:05:49who don't find help, Eugenia, on the other side, there are many messages
00:05:52from the other side, you mentioned before about 400,000 pesos they pay
00:05:56for rent
00:05:59475 almost 47
00:06:02475 and it increases quarterly, now it already comes with an increase
00:06:06and how much do they owe for that and well, besides
00:06:09the and two months we have to put in.
00:06:13Well, that's why, because on the other side, people, the services apart,
00:06:17of course, I imagine the services, the expenses of
00:06:19Amal, well, what life generates, not
00:06:23daily life, college, because well, Eugenia studies law,
00:06:26oh, not even in public transport, I had to
00:06:30quit, I don't have how to get
00:06:33there, Eugenia, let's see, now, of course,
00:06:37besides with the foot thing, many messages arrive, apart from the
00:06:41alias aid, we share many messages for
00:06:43you 1170 64 2958 look,
00:06:47see, there's a person, I'm not lying, I told you 10 or 12 messages
00:06:51previously I had put put the alias of the lady who was in the accident and now
00:06:54Andrea tells us, this I would like to know, I would like to see justice
00:06:58done with the man who ran her over because we are supportive, yes,
00:07:01great, but yes, but the one who gets away with it is that person, at least knowing
00:07:05that justice was done is what will make us feel at ease
00:07:08too. Of that still, well, but that
00:07:11still follows its legal course somehow, did you submit everything
00:07:15you had, Eugenia?
00:07:18Everything, I'm waiting for the UFI that is in charge of this to also,
00:07:22because the criminal complaint is filed, to summon the witnesses
00:07:25and waiting for the mediation date,
00:07:28but still nothing,
00:07:32all that walks and if it goes to trial, that takes 3 years and in
00:07:36the course of everyday life our life continues
00:07:39and and this man, as I say, to
00:07:42me personally, because I worked with the motorcycle, we worked
00:07:46together, even, with the application and that was our
00:07:50livelihood, our work tool was gone, that is, we
00:07:54lost, we lost our work tool,
00:07:56eh, so that's where our daily life got complicated,
00:08:00with that we ate and covered the
00:08:03expenses, we had previously had a motorcycle stolen at gunpoint,
00:08:06no, they had already had a motorcycle
00:08:08stolen,
00:08:11yes, we had already had it stolen at the door of the... grandmother's house when she was going to pick up the
00:08:14girl, eh, a Hondaway, eh,
00:08:17with with a gun when they
00:08:21pointed at her, she had to hand over the motorcycle and we
00:08:24recovered from that because I was able to buy one in installments, as
00:08:28I say, I'm handy with mechanics and a lot of things, of course, you didn't have it
00:08:31insured, I fixed it up to be able to work,
00:08:35not insured against theft, no, what happens is
00:08:38also third-party liability you only had that, but what happens is that today
00:08:41also, you see. It's a reality, obviously that's not
00:08:45right, but it's also a reality that adds to all this that
00:08:49Ernesto was describing, that many people stop paying insurance
00:08:52because besides, with so many motorcycles being stolen every
00:08:56day, it makes the insurance premium go up, so people
00:08:59can't afford the insurance, unfortunately, something that obviously
00:09:03is wrong because everyone should drive with insurance, but it's also a
00:09:06description.
00:09:09With the crisis, Facu, can we get an update on the alias that
00:09:13we are sharing, of course, Eugenia, when we started the interview, she had
00:09:16$7, Eugenia, what
00:09:19were they going to eat tonight? Let's update it
00:09:21there,
00:09:23sausage, sausage or rice, which is what the girl eats because
00:09:27also there are certain pastas she doesn't like and those things,
00:09:31but no, meat, we have an empty fridge, literally, we can
00:09:35show you, we don't have anything in the fridge, the people
00:09:38who donate and collaborate a little, as she says, the street vendors.
00:09:42Eh, they help as much as they can and with non-perishable food
00:09:46and things like that, but well
00:09:49look, 1 million 3000 they had
00:09:52$7, Eugenia, what do you say to the people because we see
00:09:56some messages that take screenshots when they
00:09:59transfer eh and some are
00:10:02they have at the end of the month, what would you like
00:10:05to tell them?
00:10:08No, nothing, I thank them a lot, no,
00:10:13no, I put myself in their shoes because I am also very much like that, I think like that,
00:10:17when I see someone who needs it and
00:10:19I can, it makes me feel good as a person, besides, and to know
00:10:23that I can do something for the other.
00:10:26Eh, the situation the country is going through is not good, because today
00:10:30it's me, yesterday there was also a homeless woman at the
00:10:33channel's door and it made me really sad, it's
00:10:37a situation that a lot of people are going
00:10:40through, so for someone to tell you, I don't know, even if
00:10:43it's 30, 50, 1, 10, everything adds up and
00:10:47it makes you feel good,
00:10:49absolutely, Eugenia, on the other side there are a lot of people who
00:10:53evidently listened. your story, your husband's, your
00:10:57daughter's, and on the other hand also
00:11:00ran you over, who backed up, who left, who left you lying there and who didn't
00:11:04care at all.
00:11:07No, yes, yes, yes, yes, because it's
00:11:10not a right, it's our guarantee, his insurance,
00:11:14eh, for something, each person pays their insurance,
00:11:18and well, they have
00:11:21to respond, no, no, no, no, there's not much going back on that.
00:11:25Sooner or later, the company will end up losing anyway
00:11:28because everything will be proven
00:11:31and it will be worse to take it to court, but
00:11:34well, I don't think they are very professional if
00:11:38they are going to
00:11:39that.
00:11:42Eugenia, let's do something, we have urgent information, let's take
00:11:46a break with this and we will come back to you in a few minutes, we continue sharing, of
00:11:50course, your alias and we hope that it
00:11:53gets resolved and that help arrives. Also, thank you very much for sharing your
00:11:57story.
00:12:12femicide of
00:12:12Nancy,
00:12:16the regulatory message they found on the cell phone of one of the
00:12:20detainees,
00:12:23what do we do with her?
00:12:31happened? What did they find in that message? That the family,
00:12:35just minutes ago, Sebastián, the son, told us that they are finding
00:12:39out absolutely everything through the media. You know that last week we were
00:12:42talking about the imputations, that they were all co-authors,
00:12:45that there was talk of femicide, even though the body had not been
00:12:48found. Well, the phones had already been investigated, let's remember that there are five detainees,
00:12:52among whom is Irineo Salsa, who was the foreman. A person named
00:12:56Sandoval, who is the other foreman, Rojas, who is the husband of Rosa
00:12:59Leguizamón, Rosa Leguizamón, the manager of the ranch,
00:13:03and there is a fifth person for perjury, who was the first of the
00:13:06detainees, well, two of the detainees, who still, no,
00:13:10that is, obviously, justice has not released
00:13:13it, but two of the detainees exchanged WhatsApp
00:13:16messages, one said to the other or the
00:13:20other, I don't know because there's a woman too, I don't know if it's a man, woman, if they are two
00:13:23men. What do we do with the teacher, what do we do with
00:13:27the teacher? Look at this map that I find interesting, Gastón, this is the
00:13:31ranch that is not visible here, but the point of that rose is the
00:13:34Curupí ranch, well, this is where she was found,
00:13:38above is the school, look at the distances, you see,
00:13:42you don't have, you see that from the Curupí ranch to the school
00:13:45it's extremely far, that is, do we have certainty
00:13:48that she arrived at the school? They tell me that
00:13:51she arrived at the school, they tell me that she arrived at the school, at that time she was at the school.
00:13:59That's why I say from the school to this place there are 2.5
00:14:02km approximately and from the ranch to this
00:14:05place there are about 5 km, there is a little more than double, eh,
00:14:09a question,
00:14:12her, yes, not from when it is because there
00:14:15it changes a lot, well, there it is because this is after what is supposed to have happened when
00:14:19she disappeared, before the murder, is it from before? Well,
00:14:22there's the issue, or after she died, or before she died, because that detail of the issue is not really important,
00:14:26that second part of the death issue we will know when
00:14:29we have the autopsy data, now we
00:14:33don't know, so two options open up, the question
00:14:35is what does she do, and I'm going to express it in a crude way,
00:14:39what do we do with the teacher because they had already killed her, what do we do, where do we dump the
00:14:43body, clearly, or what do we do with the teacher because she's bothering us,
00:14:47clearly, exactly,
00:14:49that's also an issue, let's see, we have Marcelo Kunz on the other side, Marcelo, thank you for
00:14:53being here for... please, good morning, eh,
00:14:57several questions, of course, on the one hand we are minutes away from knowing
00:15:01the autopsy, finally, of Nancy, which from what can be known will be
00:15:04heartbreaking due to the state in which the body was found, a very
00:15:08advanced state of decomposition, now we have a map here that I find
00:15:12interesting, Marcelo, to share with you, because these are very large distances, what
00:15:15certainty do we have that she arrived from the ranch to the
00:15:19school, if she was found halfway,
00:15:22if they didn't tell her children to go to... recognize the clothes they found at the
00:15:26school or some belongings, they found out everything through the media.
00:15:30Clearly, look, I have the illusion that justice is working from a
00:15:34criminalistic point of view very, very finely.
00:15:37Because you, eh, must take into account that there are ways to
00:15:40prove if a person was in
00:15:43that place, if they arrived at that place, for
00:15:47example, eh, the way to know if the body was
00:15:50always there, if it was locked up somewhere
00:15:53else, if it was somewhere else, there are sciences like
00:15:56forensic entomology, you are a criminalist,
00:15:59too bad you didn't mention it, which is
00:16:03the fauna that remains on the bodies, that's why it's very unpleasant to say, no,
00:16:10they study the bugs that are on the corpse, exactly,
00:16:13a somewhat brutal way, but that's how it is, no, unfortunately there are some
00:16:17animals, little bugs, this to put it a bit more
00:16:20bluntly, that are born if it's outside or inside, if
00:16:24the body is semi-saponified, it is said
00:16:27as it is in partly submerged in this case,
00:16:30clearly, eh, in these moments, analyses are being done, for
00:16:35another, of another area that
00:16:38is taphonomy, it is called taphonomy, which
00:16:41is the relationship of that cadaveric fauna in relation to the
00:16:45environment, so there you can know with entomology, taphonomy,
00:16:49you can know from the
00:16:52criminalistic analysis
00:16:56the body in the place if it was always there or was deposited
00:16:59later, evidently this message will influence
00:17:03that expertise in what we do now with the body, it is evident that
00:17:06they did not kill her in the same place, evident, not, I mean that
00:17:10all that can be studied by
00:17:13criminology, that is, the criminal conduct in
00:17:17relation to all the expertises that are being done, including that of the
00:17:20body, also another thing that I was hearing is that many look for the motive
00:17:24of the abuse and then killing her,
00:17:28you remember that unfortunately many people eh when they are
00:17:31ordered to kill another person humiliate them,
00:17:35submit them, and perhaps just because of her condition as a
00:17:38woman, the way to humiliate her is to abuse her and then kill her, even if
00:17:42it's not the motive, you understand, I understand, absolutely, what you're saying,
00:17:45oh, look, that's very interesting, you say that, for example, a contract
00:17:49killing, I'm making a hypothesis, can even
00:17:52sexually abuse her just to humiliate her before
00:17:55dying? Clearly, because perhaps if we
00:17:58digress, if those people were involved in the
00:18:02lack of money, of that salary that was coming, of that
00:18:05budget that never... their works were, they had
00:18:08anger, they had a lot of impotence, so when they were given
00:18:12it and they vented their anger because of her condition as a woman,
00:18:15what is the worst way to humiliate her before taking her life?
00:18:19Unfortunately, very painful to say that, yes, it's not painful, but well, evidently
00:18:23something like that happened and the family also has something to do with it, let's listen to an
00:18:27audio of Nancy,
00:18:28look,
00:18:36hello Ale, how are you?
00:18:39the ranch,
00:18:43eh I wrote to the Corrientes one about the
00:18:45water and they told me to send them a photo, imagine I sent them the
00:18:49video of how I found the school and how today I am with
00:18:52students but I don't have any water, I sent them about the roof
00:18:55everything, they say they are going to help us, yes,
00:18:59I say, yes, I'm carrying water from the neighbor's, sometimes
00:19:01you have a pump, something, I thought there was a pump, no
00:19:05there's nothing here, they sang many years ago, it seems everything was
00:19:09left there, the attempt, I told them, well,
00:19:13I sent them all the videos, when
00:19:16I entered the school, how you're going to want to die, more or less, but well, that's the
00:19:20reality, so I hope they give me an answer to that.
00:19:24You know what, when I heard Sebastián today, Marcelo, the son of Nancy, he insists
00:19:28with the theory, no, that he has, that
00:19:32he doesn't say publicly but he implies that Nancy
00:19:35was murdered because of the report she made to
00:19:39uncover the corruption that existed in that school, a tiny corruption that to us may seem
00:19:43a miserable corruption, but that is repeated in many schools,
00:19:46unfortunately many schools in the interior of Argentina that are those schools
00:19:50that, as I well explained, are from the 19th century, it's a logic, a law from
00:19:531905 that says that whoever owns the ranch donates a part so that
00:19:57you build a school, many of them ghost schools, you know why? You
00:20:00see, it's the perfect storm for her,
00:20:04poor thing, because the same children of the laborers
00:20:08are the same ones who didn't go to school, it's, it's
00:20:11then it all made sense, eh, but you know why, for me,
00:20:14they insist so much on the theory of femicide, of sexual
00:20:17abuse, to rule that out, because if this really happened, that is, that
00:20:21Nancy was murdered because what she was doing was the role of the
00:20:24state, because Nancy was a representative of the state, a state that
00:20:28tried to function and clearly she complained and she
00:20:32fought to open that school, so I don't know if it
00:20:35worked, no, a state that she made, that she that
00:20:50lawyers take into account what is what they ask
00:20:53within the field of criminalistics, what is the criminal
00:20:57profile of the perpetrator, to see if the abuse occurred by
00:21:00submission, by punishment or by humiliation
00:21:03or was it the motive because perhaps, as you say, it all remains in the abuse and
00:21:07that's it, no, it might not be, clearly, because there might have been
00:21:10abuse but the motive was different, clearly, what we heard from her, from
00:21:14Nancy's own mouth, saying here
00:21:17they said there was a pump, there's no pump at all. Eh, maybe some
00:21:21time ago they tried to install it and someone supposed
00:21:24someone was lied to from above saying that there was a pump
00:21:28and that it worked and that there was water and that was a disaster, that is,
00:21:32someone, clearly justifiable, justifiable, justifiable, she
00:21:35poor thing, like every rural teacher who are women
00:21:39of great courage and desire to work because they don't
00:21:42earn anything, eh, the state's lack of protection leaving
00:21:45her alone, but here I live.
00:21:56a province that I know for a fact functions much better, the state, forget about many other provinces, but
00:22:00much better, eh, much eh, I'm going to
00:22:03say it clearly, this eh, we have to make an educational
00:22:07reform in Argentina and that the
00:22:10provinces stop having authority over education, I say it like that, I know
00:22:14that my compatriots from the provinces get angry
00:22:17when I say this because you know why? There's an
00:22:20education for the rich and for the poor, rich provinces have good
00:22:24education, poor provinces have bad education, we have to go back to
00:22:28Sarmiento, to the pedagogical congress, to the
00:22:31specialists, but above all, that the
00:22:34nation,
00:22:36let's see, guys, but depending on which national government
00:22:39governs, if it's a national government like this one that
00:22:43even cuts the fund, the FONID for the provinces,
00:22:47the incentive for teachers, the truth is.
00:23:20and never, better said than in this case of the ranch
00:23:23owner, for them the ranch owner is the law, the order and the one who distributed
00:23:27the cake and who receives the budget.
00:23:31Marcelo, putting it simply, I mean
00:23:34eh, if there was a business, a scam, so to speak,
00:23:38for the Creole part by some of the ranch that kept
00:23:41certain money, the foreman, I mean a
00:23:45foreman, a person who in what is the idiosyncrasy of the
00:23:48countryside, the foreman is the one who gives you work, the one who takes it all away, that guy
00:23:52distributed money to you and precisely seeing that
00:23:55Nancy endangered that, everyone
00:23:58collaborated to silence her, yes, but what Marcelo says,
00:24:01somehow they covered it up, they
00:24:04covered up the fact, what Marcelo says, which is
00:24:08Argentina, in the countryside, there is an atavistic hierarchical
00:24:11structure, that the ranch owner fulfills, fulfills the
00:24:15role of boss, of caudillo, whatever you want to call him, and if the ranch owner
00:24:19it's not, it occupies the capital exactly, so that logic that is
00:24:23hierarchical, that hierarchical logic spills power
00:24:26from above to below, but for that reason, my fear, Marcelo,
00:24:30and excuse my ignorance, is that you bring up this sexual abuse by
00:24:34submission, and let's suppose, let's suppose
00:24:36that, let's say, it comes out in the autopsy
00:24:40that she was sexually abused, well, what we will never know
00:24:44because perhaps justice wants to close it in the mere sexual
00:24:47abuse. It all ends there.
00:24:55we're going quickly with Mauro to Corrientes, Mauro, we're coming back quickly with you with more news.
00:24:58They are doctor, I'm going to put the
00:25:01return on so you can talk to them, uh, he just
00:25:05left the prosecutor's office, so, doctor, anything you want to
00:25:08tell us? Yes, hello, uh, well, we have
00:25:12had an interview with the people from the
00:25:15prosecutor's office, especially to see the incorporations, the latest
00:25:19evidence,
00:25:21and the important information that they have given us, we already have the preliminary
00:25:25results, probably today in the afternoon, from the
00:25:29autopsy, yes, and first they will be informed to the
00:25:32relatives, and well, then we can communicate something about that. Now,
00:25:36doctor, why didn't it happen on other previous occasions when
00:25:40they found the clothes or found belongings that they first informed the
00:25:43family, the family is a little discontent with the
00:25:46information, at least how it is being provided to them?
00:25:51No, no, the family was there yesterday, and they even
00:25:54attended us last night here at the prosecutor's office.
00:25:57I also communicated with them at noon, transmitting
00:26:01this possible, or sad, news, let's say. But what you
00:26:04say is true, there was a small difference in time regarding the
00:26:08police explanation, not the prosecutor's office, but the police have to do
00:26:12with the fact that the news was known at a certain time, first the
00:26:15field team was notified, and then the prosecutor's office was informed, let's say. That
00:26:18difference that existed, in that difference there was a kind of leakage, and
00:26:22well, first you learned about it through the press, and then the family. I
00:26:26even, oh, well, but they were informing
00:26:29them because they told us that no one
00:26:45that we have to continue, we made the description of the items and those items today were in a bad
00:26:49state and the description matches the
00:26:52seized item, in addition evidence was found, let's say
00:26:55in good condition that practically matches the description made
00:26:58by her own husband that he did, so that will be the subject later.
00:27:02It has been a formal act of recognition, but first
00:27:05it is usual, let's say, that we make the description of the
00:27:08items to take evidence and the
00:27:12necessary tests, especially eventual genetic samples, the comparison is
00:27:15made, doctor, look, here I am seeing the five
00:27:18detainees, if I say each one of
00:27:22them you can tell me what the expected penalty is, we will
00:27:25do it as a teacher, so you explain, can
00:27:28be, we do it, very well, Ernesto Ezequiel
00:27:31Bordón. False
00:27:33testimony,
00:27:35you started with the one we have the most doubts about regarding his procedural
00:27:39situation, that's why I started with the most doubtful one, then we go to the one
00:27:43who has certainty, I have no certainty that his
00:27:47procedural situation will continue in this state,
00:27:50eventually if it continues in this state it is aggravated
00:27:52cover-up,
00:27:54second, which for me is also the weakest,
00:27:56Sandoval,
00:28:00no, for me he is one of the most connected.
00:28:10in the same vein as the previous one, there is only a variation in the difference of roles but also
00:28:14life imprisonment, life imprisonment,
00:28:16Rosaleizamon,
00:28:19well, yes, another person who could vary their
00:28:22qualification,
00:28:26the prosecution, not the prosecutor's office, in the idea of the prosecution, perhaps
00:28:30we would impute the figure of femicide as an accomplice in
00:28:32femicide, an accomplice, and the one who may be the primary accomplice
00:28:36and the one who may take all the blame, who is Ireneo Sarza,
00:28:39I didn't hear the last part, the one who may take
00:28:43all the blame, who is Ireneo Sarza, well, he has
00:28:46all the numbers bought, let's say, there is practically no need to discuss what
00:28:50we are talking about now. Doctor, today we heard
00:28:53Sebastian giving some hypotheses, regarding the complaints that Nancy had been
00:28:57making regarding the educational system, in what conditions was
00:29:01the school found. Everything that had to be contributed to the school so that it could be a
00:29:05habitable place, not for the students she had. Could
00:29:08these complaints she had been making have to do with the
00:29:12crime? No hypothesis is discarded,
00:29:15let's say, of work in this
00:29:18initial hypothesis or in the primary
00:29:22part of the accusation, but
00:29:25I understand that they are investigating within this
00:29:28file, reports were requested regarding those complaints they
00:29:32made, and then I suppose there will be an administrative and/or
00:29:36judicial matter regarding the intervention of the education authority, because we all
00:29:39agree that the state of the area was absolutely
00:29:42inconvenient, deplorable, let's say, for it to be a
00:29:45rural establishment. Uh, I said the other day that some people laughed when
00:29:49I said that the school was practically a shack, so imagine that, of course. No, well, I
00:29:53imagine, and now regarding uh, the procedure, the
00:29:57autopsy will be known today. Yes,
00:30:01yes, the autopsy is still being carried out, but it is necessary due to a legal imperative because
00:30:05we have pending hearings and because we need to know, at least the preliminary
00:30:08result of these elements, and they
00:30:12have summoned us for this afternoon to have a hearing with the head of the
00:30:15medical corps of the province who will inform the parties. I have a
00:30:19question, doctor, I mean, is it confirmed that she arrived at the
00:30:23school that day after all?
00:30:26Well,
00:30:29that's an interesting question. We believe so, but
00:30:32there are some elements that will
00:30:36the autopsy because don't forget that
00:30:39eh, besides the body, some
00:30:43belongings of Nancy were found, which was the bag she
00:30:46had and carried to school, but however, at school, other elements were found that
00:30:49would prove that she was there, so it's a topic that we are still
00:30:53resolving, but I believe, in my case, in particular, that she was in the
00:30:56account, eh, Gustavo, good morning, we join, Pampa.