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00:00:00either these people are not very intelligent or these
00:00:04people are uh
00:00:06we are talking about inexperienced people clearly, completely
00:00:10I insist
00:00:13I think that, that someone was paying attention to what on this, uh, because it clashes with what some
00:00:18that's a delusion, what night owl wants to imply that the power is behind
00:00:20this. If the power were there, this would not
00:00:23happen, guys. This doesn't happen. Leaving a body out in
00:00:27the open for a drone or a helicopter to pass by, or ultimately
00:00:31someone to arrive on horseback, no, it's not professional and it's not
00:00:34powerful. How are you doing, guys? Melina Rulo, how are you
00:00:37guys? Everything in order, once again here, well, this
00:00:40case continues to have news and every
00:00:44day it makes us a little more indignant.
00:00:47teacher, no, the teachers from all over the country saying, it can't be the
00:00:51conditions in which the rural
00:00:54likely yes, due to the conditions in teachers are working, who are writing to us on the other hand, and surely it will happen to you too, guys,
00:00:57uh, well, they tell how they work, that's what we said from the beginning,
00:01:01no, how unfair what this poor woman had to go through with the
00:01:04effort she made to, we believe,
00:01:08out of vocation, because not even for anything else could it have been understood, or to earn a
00:01:11penny, Meli, or to earn a peso, yes, they finally named her, maybe
00:01:15in a school, uh, as
00:01:17tell me about each of director someday, because she wasn't at
00:01:20body speaks and that is the end of the world, but it was a way to have a salary there, no doubt, if you
00:01:23think about it that way, there is no doubt, because once you enter
00:01:27the system and they name you, you know they deposit, I don't know.
00:01:41she did tell me was that she was
00:01:47body is in
00:02:00he had been paying for 3 years a guy who was supposed to keep the
00:02:03school in order and
00:02:06phones they talked about what we do with he didn't. There was a guy who had been collecting a salary for 3 years who was
00:02:10supposedly in charge of a school where kids were going to study and when
00:02:14Nancy arrived, she found that this wasn't happening, so it's the state's fault, yes, perhaps
00:02:18because it didn't control, but it's not that it left the school like that, you see?
00:02:22It wasn't a place for a woman alone.
00:02:26That as a first measure, and second, uh, I always
00:02:29seem to defend a certain
00:02:32lack of control, disorganization, but I always bring it down to reality and
00:02:36I think it's very complicated to have everything in order in the state, it doesn't even happen sometimes in private
00:02:40companies, yes, I know, but I mean the Ministry of Education
00:02:43of Corrientes and yes, it has these
00:02:47anomalies and this ends up happening, but besides, why would the Ministry
00:02:50of Education of Corrientes know about that if the guy who
00:02:54was in charge had been collecting a salary for 3 years and didn't go to
00:02:57work?
00:03:15Of course, I am sure there is, so to speak, or
00:03:17someone who, if not, surely doesn't do it because otherwise they would have realized that this was not
00:03:21working, but what I mean is someone has, there is someone who has that
00:03:25responsibility, that job exists and they don't do it, yes, as happens in the
00:03:29state. context, but she was murdered because she was
00:03:33a woman. This was a femicide and in that school, that woman was afraid and
00:03:36someone was stalking her, totally, yes, yes, yes, and this is an abandoned
00:03:40worker in a school in the middle of nowhere, left alone in a school in the middle of nowhere
00:03:44who ends up being murdered by, it is supposed,
00:03:47according to Nancy's family,
00:03:50due to a group rape.
00:03:54Thank you, as always, we had a, we had a hot
00:03:57midday today. We were terminal. Welcome
00:04:05of power that came from
00:04:23to "Invincibles," we will be here until 4 PM, as always, with all the
00:04:27information and these are today's topics.
00:04:36Femicide and commotion for Nancy, the autopsy is being
00:04:39performed, the body will speak and the
00:04:43intensely in details you will have
00:04:45here.
00:04:51another of the topics of the day, mafia, two
00:04:55sisters live a nightmare,
00:04:59mafia of the... Amistas, this is
00:05:02a new attack. We are going to tell you all the details of this case, which is
00:05:05chilling.
00:05:13Attention, another teacher missing from her
00:05:17home, since October 12, nothing is
00:05:20known about this man who went for a walk, the earth
00:05:23swallowed him, did something happen to him, was he a victim of a crime? In
00:05:27a few moments we will tell you
00:05:28everything.
00:05:34and we have a last-
00:05:37minute.
00:05:42Homicide and commotion for
00:05:44Nancy,
00:05:47the autopsy of the
00:05:48body began,
00:05:51exclusive, the criminal
00:05:52plan,
00:06:00Nancy's body will speak, of course it was outdoors for a long time
00:06:04also semi-submerged, but it will
00:06:07yield key data: Nancy defended herself from her
00:06:11attacker(s). Nancy was sexually
00:06:14assaulted, Nancy was
00:06:16drugged. All these details will be
00:06:20concluded by the autopsy that is being performed at this very moment. That's right,
00:06:24and today is a very important day, because as we have said and heard
00:06:27so many times, especially on television, it is a very clichéd phrase, but the
00:06:32what they are waiting for to happen. The investigators, the prosecutors
00:06:36of this case to understand, what happened to her? How did Nancy
00:06:40end up dead this way?
00:06:43she was, uh, they ended her life, they left her naked, with
00:06:46half her body buried in an open pit in a field, that is, something
00:06:50happened and what we want to know is what happened, Lore, welcome, how are you, hello, how
00:06:54are you guys, good afternoon, eh, since 2 in the morning, Nancy's
00:06:59the morgue and that's why surely in a while, Cristian will be able to tell us more
00:07:02details, we are going to know, eh, at least the
00:07:06preliminary results of this autopsy, but to start thinking about everything that has
00:07:09to do with the hypotheses that are being managed, especially... everything after
00:07:13knowing that there was a message in which in the
00:07:19her, we will have to see, what did they mean by what we do with her, was it before
00:07:23or after killing her, let's
00:07:25see, you have information
00:07:28Cristian,
00:07:30no, welcome, how are you guys, good afternoon, that's right, well, at this moment the
00:07:34autopsy is being carried out, we are going to know very important data,
00:07:38we understand from preliminary information and
00:07:41we confirm the... finding of Nancy's cell phone inside that
00:07:45bag, it was something that yesterday we knew about the finding of the
00:07:48bag, but we didn't know what was inside, well, we confirm,
00:07:52Nancy's phone was also found inside that bag
00:07:56and at this moment the expert examination of that cell phone is also being carried out, which will
00:07:59yield very important data as well, it will surely be so, we
00:08:03have Claudia connected, who is Nancy's
00:08:06daughter-in-law, and she is on a video call with us,
00:08:10Claudia, welcome to "Invincibles" on the screen. from
00:08:12crónica,
00:08:15good afternoon, good afternoon, here I am with José as well,
00:08:19oh, José, send a hug to José who has also appeared with us
00:08:21since the beginning of this search, well,
00:08:25uh, first I want to know how you are as a family, how
00:08:29you are experiencing this moment, how you
00:08:30are doing,
00:08:33surviving, surviving, of course, because it has
00:08:37been a flood of everything,
00:08:40all kinds of emotions, right, since the disappearance,
00:08:44now how did you take this
00:08:47news that they found Nancy lifeless, I imagine it was an end that
00:08:51you had been imagining, on the other
00:08:53hand,
00:08:56no, one always has
00:08:58hope until the very
00:09:02end, and, well, this
00:09:04has to bring us down, we have to get up and continue as she was,
00:09:08a warrior, so we are here in
00:09:11her representation. so that this brings
00:09:14all the truth to light and we know all the truth, exactly. We
00:09:18here,
00:09:21absolutely, Claudia, we have said it many times in "Invincibles,"
00:09:24that Claudia had
00:09:27conviction, she was a person who, who had, uh,
00:09:31Nancy, sorry, had taken a complicated
00:09:33job far away where she had to ride a horse, where she had
00:09:37to go alone for two students. Was she always such a
00:09:40woman? She was always a
00:09:43warrior, always,
00:09:46she finished her degree very
00:09:49late, she continued, she kept studying,
00:09:52she was a woman with convictions, with everything
00:09:55clear, she wanted to succeed,
00:09:58she loved her job, she was a vocational teacher,
00:10:01of course,
00:10:04Nancy was afraid, Nancy spent the night
00:10:07fearing that something could
00:10:09happen to her.
00:10:12Uh, she told me that she felt watched, so I
00:10:15asked her by whom, if it was by the, uh, by
00:10:19the neighbors, by Rosa or someone, no, I don't know,
00:10:23I have to, I feel watched but... I don't know by whom, but what did she
00:10:27mean by "I feel watched," that someone was
00:10:30spying on her, or that someone was paying attention to what
00:10:34she was doing?
00:10:38she was doing. Do you think that perhaps
00:10:41Nancy saw something that she shouldn't have seen, she accessed
00:10:45information that others feared was dangerous for
00:10:48Nancy to have in mind or in her
00:10:50mouth?
00:10:53Look, we don't rule out any, since the
00:10:57first day, uh,
00:10:59we asked for an investigation to see if Nancy arrived at the school or not,
00:11:03uh,
00:11:05that is, we don't rule out anything, something happened, we said it on the first day,
00:11:09something was done to Nancy, someone bothered
00:11:11Nancy, we also told him that,
00:11:15that is, Claudia, hello, good
00:11:19afternoon, can I ask José something
00:11:23or do we talk to you, as you wish, no, here
00:11:27we are both to answer all your questions, hello
00:11:30José, this morning I heard your brothers and I think you were
00:11:33also saying that you don't believe in this
00:11:36supposed, supposed hypothesis of
00:11:39sexuality, let's say, of harassment,
00:11:43abuse, sorry, sexual, what can you tell
00:11:46me about that now and why you don't
00:11:47believe it?
00:11:53I wouldn't know how to tell you if.
00:11:56well, but they did what
00:12:00they did to my mom, what could
00:12:03happen?
00:12:27José said, because it's important to know why they
00:12:31believe not, because maybe they have another hypothesis and why, why do they have it,
00:12:34no?
00:12:37Look, what José wanted to tell you is that
00:12:40such vandalism and
00:12:44all that, it's like, it clashes for us to believe in
00:12:48that, you know, besides, don't forget that very suspicious things
00:12:51happened here, for example, eh.
00:13:25or about Wednesday's message, the famous message that her children don't believe is hers.
00:13:29Let's
00:13:32see, the school thing was planted from the beginning,
00:13:36the family, we said it,
00:13:39eh, the only thing we knew for sure was that Nancy was on the
00:13:42ranch, you understand, and if they had the
00:13:46white glove capacity to do everything they did at the school, that
00:13:50they left no trace on the thermos, that they left no, we don't know if
00:13:54the body was... manipulated, you understand or not,
00:13:56right, and do you believe that of all the people
00:14:00who are detained now, are they all who
00:14:03participated or is someone else free
00:14:07and needs to be detained?
00:14:10For that, we need an investigation. We think
00:14:13there are more people involved, that it doesn't
00:14:16end there. Alejandra, eh,
00:14:19yesterday I heard you say in a statement
00:14:22that the state that is looking for her is the state
00:14:25that abandoned her. Do you feel that they should have put more
00:14:28emphasis on regulating, on
00:14:31controlling this rural school, knowing where they were sending her, having
00:14:35a little more control over this?
00:14:39And look, one thing, the day before yesterday I went out to say that,
00:14:42yesterday Nancy appeared,
00:14:45that's one thing, and on the other, on the other
00:14:48hand, of course, the same state, I mean, how can we
00:14:52trust a state that... abandoned her, left
00:14:56her alone in that state of precariousness that the school was in, that
00:15:00Nancy had warned in her first 15-day substitute assignment,
00:15:03she had informed the Ministry of Education, it's not that she told
00:15:07the supervisor, she had informed the Ministry of
00:15:10Education, how that school was, why
00:15:13didn't they act immediately, why did they
00:15:16leave her alone, it was abandonment of persons what
00:15:19they did, Nancy, you know that claim
00:15:23that Nancy made, she made it in writing. What did she ask for there besides
00:15:27, I imagine, infrastructure issues?
00:15:30She asked for someone, someone to be there,
00:15:32someone was informed, thank
00:15:36goodness, not that...
00:15:44Because the teacher was not able to tell her colleague, "Look, I haven't been there for three years" when she gave him the
00:15:48key, he sent her on another path,
00:15:51that is,
00:15:55you're telling, it really, excuse me for saying
00:15:59it like this, but the one who was before her, who collected 3 years' pay and didn't
00:16:02go, the one who gave her the key has to declare, he not only has to
00:16:06appear and of course, of course, he has to
00:16:10be in prison for fraud.
00:16:13Excuse me, Alejandra, the letter, Nancy's
00:16:16complaint, is the letter she wrote by hand,
00:16:19and I ask you to be sure, that letter dates from
00:16:23August 15th,
00:16:26exactly, I think Keila filed the complaint on
00:16:29August 18th in Corrientes
00:16:32capital, she asked for a copy, that is, there the
00:16:35formal complaint
00:16:38was filed in the Ministry of
00:16:41Education. Ale, from woman to woman,
00:16:45Nancy with you, eh, maybe
00:16:47over mate when you met up on weekends,
00:16:50what had you managed to
00:16:55the people who are currently suspects, that could be relevant now? What did she tell you about
00:16:58Rosa, what did she observe about Rosa's relationship with her husband,
00:17:02what did she tell you about Zarza, what did she tell you about these individuals?
00:17:06Nancy was not a woman who
00:17:09, you know, when they get together for gossip, we always talked about
00:17:13work and things to improve the school, but what
00:17:18very grateful to this lady Rosa because she would
00:17:22pick her up with the horses and take her to the
00:17:25school, she was someone of her utmost trust in that
00:17:29space, in that place, she was the person she trusted the most in the rural
00:17:33school,
00:17:35totally, that is,
00:17:38never, she would tell me about
00:17:41her students who didn't know how to read,
00:17:45the abandonment that director caused and the psychological damage he
00:17:49had done to his child was fatal,
00:17:52of course, they left them alone,
00:17:55now what a disappointment, I mean, for the family, let alone for
00:17:59Nancy, of course, who is not with us to be able to explain
00:18:02this, but she trusted a person who
00:18:06ends up being an accomplice. According to
00:18:09justice, co-author, co-author, because first-degree
00:18:12murder gives me the feeling that she must have had
00:18:16something to do with it, how could she betray her like this, because one
00:18:19thing is that the pencils sent by the ministry
00:18:22are stolen, but they ended Nancy's life, what happened
00:18:25here is a delusion, absolutely,
00:18:28absolutely, but we need to know the whole
00:18:32truth, here, here, here strange things happen,
00:18:36there is something strange here. Yes, yes, among these strange things
00:18:39that , ah, Ale, sorry, among
00:18:43these strange things that you say happened, do you think she
00:18:46saw something she shouldn't have seen?
00:18:49Of
00:18:51course, all hypotheses are open. Nancy could have
00:18:55seen something that she would not have kept
00:18:57quiet, but she didn't tell you
00:19:00anything, no. No, no, no, no, for me,
00:19:03let's see, Alejandra, after so much analysis and having, uh,
00:19:07read about this case and presented this case here on this
00:19:11program, it's pretty clear to us that someone
00:19:15wanted to do something to Nancy. This idea that she saw something and that there's a conspiracy
00:19:19there seems to me to be a discarded theory, nothing
00:19:21happened here, it seems to me that someone, I don't know,
00:19:25you think they would wait for me,
00:19:29you know why not, because look, I even think that some colleagues
00:19:32thought that if sexual abuse were
00:19:36to be determined, it could even have been for a matter of
00:19:39subjugation and imposition
00:19:43another story, but when they say what do we do with, pardon me, not Alejandra,
00:19:47but José, who are there, it's horrifying to hear all this, but I mean, when they ask themselves in those
00:19:50phone messages, what do we do with the teacher or what do we do with her,
00:19:53there's already a whole data linked to whether they had killed her, what to do with the
00:19:57body, and if not, what were they going to do with her, who evidently
00:20:01knew something to keep quiet, let's see what Alejandra
00:20:05and José think.
00:20:08I mean, I think it's something planned,
00:20:11honestly, uh, they are responsible, yes,
00:20:15but this is all planned, so as not to
00:20:18know if any trace or something of my mom, that's already more than clear,
00:20:22yes, yes, there was a plan, there was a plan to get rid of
00:20:25Nancy for some reason, which we still haven't been able
00:20:29to clarify, even Rulo, the concealment, that is,
00:20:32the cell phone was there, that is, I don't know what they thought, that they would never find
00:20:35it, it's strange, it's strange. We are actually talking about people with very low
00:20:39education, it's true, it's still not understood and I can't wrap my head around it, and
00:20:43surely Alejandra and José, tell me what you think, but they left the body
00:20:47there with the bag next to it.
00:20:50also a manifesto, handwritten, telling what
00:20:53happened, very strange about the bag, because it's
00:20:55easy, what do you think, Alejandra and José,
00:20:58this, don't forget that
00:21:01supposedly that area had already been
00:21:03searched,
00:21:06the drones, no, you saw the photos that I just
00:21:10saw today, automatically a drone, if it was
00:21:12searched, that should have, it should
00:21:16have been found much earlier, in fact.
00:21:27In fact, one of the hypotheses, Alejandra, José, and for all the audience, is
00:21:30precisely that this could be the second place of
00:21:34disposal, that there was a place of approach or a deception
00:21:37to take Nancy to a certain place and the autopsy will determine if she was
00:21:41sexually abused there or not, most
00:21:44which she appears, that later, as they say, and again,
00:21:48as Olore said, sorry, they cooled Nancy's
00:21:51body because they knew they had started looking for her, because José knew
00:21:55that Nancy no longer responded to messages and they themselves had to give
00:21:59answers for that and then they moved her to a place that, as
00:22:02Alejandra says, had already been previously searched, that is, they may be
00:22:06ignorant, they may be illiterate, but here they agreed
00:22:09on the worst, these people were part of a
00:22:13criminal organization, they distributed roles and
00:22:17probably more than one killed her and more than one.
00:22:21Absolutely, I completely agree with
00:22:24Melina, Alejandra, José, what do you think of this, this
00:22:27reflection that my
00:22:29colleague just made?
00:22:34Look, there's something very
00:22:37strange here. First, let's start from the fact that the
00:22:40ranch is 5000 meters from the finding
00:22:44and 2500 meters from the school. No, that area
00:22:47is continuously. People, that is, it's
00:22:51so close that drones constantly have to fly over, the
00:22:54justice system has to check that, start investigating if they saw her or not the
00:22:58days that supposedly the drones were working,
00:23:02no. Totally, yes, yes, indeed.
00:23:05Well, on the one hand, let's see
00:23:08if it was planted or not planted, that the autopsy today
00:23:12will reveal. Another inconsistency is
00:23:16the issue of the search, no, 90
00:23:20policemen who in total, including rotation and everything, went up
00:23:24to 1200. Uh,
00:23:26there were very few, there were few for such a
00:23:30place, exactly. You see
00:23:33that Nancy was found in the
00:23:36morning and the police had to go to a place with
00:23:39signal to give notice, that is, the
00:23:42search was not trained for what they had to
00:23:46do, with handies, with radios, with everything, that is,
00:23:50uh, a question, did you manage to, throughout all this time that
00:23:54Nancy worked there as a teacher, did you ever go,
00:23:58did you see with your own eyes the place?
00:24:02We could never enter because thousands of times we told Nancy that we would
00:24:05take her, that we would pick her up on rainy days so
00:24:09that she wouldn't be alone, but, uh,
00:24:11the owner of the ranch never authorized us to
00:24:14enter, she was the one who took her and brought her, ah,
00:24:18this data is very?
00:24:27The data, then, what you are saying is very important, repeat it, repeat it, Nancy had even asked
00:24:30and then she tells me no, Ale, no, no, no, she takes me, she
00:24:34brings me, no, no, no, no, they didn't let her
00:24:37family pass, many times her son and daughter-in-
00:24:40law tried to be the ones who transferred her to
00:24:44the school, and they were told no, that
00:24:46they, well, what was happening?
00:24:59Here there is a school which is a provincial school that is
00:25:02within a private place, up to there everything seems logical to me because the
00:25:06field belongs to someone who needs a school and says look, we will leave you this space, we
00:25:09donate it to the province so that there is a school, but there is an
00:25:13easement of passage that the owner of the field has
00:25:16to grant so that people can go, for example, if they want to send
00:25:20u... it wasn't there, it was all private, it was all private, that's why
00:25:30not, but I mean the irregularities that Alejandra is pointing out
00:25:33are really very serious because, among other
00:25:37things, we have to think that this that, that is, that is still
00:25:40in force, is a law from the last century, it is a law, pardon me, from two centuries
00:25:44ago, it is from 1905, this law in which an owner of a
00:25:47ranch donates a place for a school to be set up. But the right of way is a
00:25:51requirement, here there was no right of
00:25:54way, there were private lands and territories
00:25:57and roads through which only
00:26:01people could pass.
00:26:03This is incredible, Alejandra, how can it be that the family couldn't
00:26:07accompany her, how can her son not be able to go one day with his mom
00:26:10to spend a, uh, I don't know, a day at school?
00:26:14No, we couldn't, we couldn't enter, only
00:26:17her, and she told Nancy, I'll take you and I'll
00:26:21bring you back, nobody can, ah, it seems to me that the owner of the
00:26:24field should already be giving explanations
00:26:28about this, this is not a joke, how can they not let you into the
00:26:31school if it's a public place, in short, the field wasn't
00:26:35public either, that the foreman accompany me all the way, I have no
00:26:39problem, but I can access the school, I want to go to school one day with my mom,
00:26:42accompany her and bring her mate, give her a hand,
00:26:46bring her food, it seems to me that if someone doesn't want to, I don't know
00:26:50about you, but if someone doesn't want the family
00:26:53of a person to see the place where that person is working, it's because
00:26:57there is extreme concern that other
00:27:00things are not seen.
00:27:22Alejandra is saying that there are many prisoners, but Ale, from what you are telling me, well, you are recounting, it seems to me that there are missing, that there are more
00:27:26who are out, do you believe that the real
00:27:28culprits are out?
00:27:31Of course. From day one, we wanted everyone to
00:27:3515, all 15 at
00:27:39they had Sarsfield, then they
00:27:42let him go, now they put him back
00:27:46have happened if from the beginning of the investigation they said
00:27:49"oh, you're here, come here"
00:27:53adentro
00:27:54Alejandra
00:27:57I want to propose something to you because you
00:28:01here on repeat. The video where Nancy's
00:28:04we are not seeing the moment when a
00:28:08encuentra una campera o abrigo o algo parecido de color negro y
00:28:11un bolso de color azul y blanco, cuando vemos
00:28:14those images, although the jacket is a bit submerged in the
00:28:18water, the bag is very visible
00:28:22just now, why didn't they see it with a drone, why wasn't
00:28:25this seen that you are going to see here above me in that video
00:28:29up there I mean, is this what you are referring to? You,
00:28:33no, of course, but that last night
00:28:36when, that is, when they told me the number of meters there
00:28:39were,
00:28:42but, that is, we don't believe anything from
00:28:45is done wrong, you understand,
00:28:49how can it be that still the kids who
00:28:52had to go to Gesell's chamber, what Nancy taught them,
00:28:56no, we don't have a result from the camera, they brought them, they
00:29:00took them, they wanted.
00:29:02So nothing is known, they still haven't gone to Gesell's
00:29:04chamber, this is
00:29:08that body had been there we would have found it within two
00:29:12days of searching, guys, don't you realize this?
00:29:18what happens, you know what happens Alejandra, this
00:29:20apply all common sense and
00:29:24logic, sometimes
00:29:26Argentina and certain
00:29:29up showing you that common sense is
00:29:33parecería que hay un bolillero que gira y que es todo
00:29:36azar, porque si aplicas 5 minutos la lógica a todo
00:29:40analyzing directly
00:29:44explodes, it makes no sense, they send a woman
00:29:47field with all men in a destroyed school for two
00:29:51students, where the guy who
00:29:54three years getting paid and had never gone, it's a trap, nothing makes sense, it's a trap, it's
00:29:58a portal trap, sure, sure, let's see, let's see, there's last minute information, please listen
00:30:03eh, please, it's important,
00:30:04last
00:30:08minute, 2 PM, 29
00:30:11minutes on the Crónica exclusive screen,
00:30:15exclusive information about
00:30:18Nancy's
00:30:20femicide,
00:30:24femicide with emotion for
00:30:26Nancy,
00:30:32they found the body of the
00:30:34teacher
00:30:38and the moment when the fire expert
00:30:42who worked
00:30:46the vicinity of the rural school where Nancy
00:30:49was unfortunately murdered, found the body
00:30:52which is presumed not to be the place where they
00:30:55murdered her, but rather the place where she
00:30:59was discarded.