Argentina: Crónica

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00:00:00because there are days when the world becomes an
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00:01:24province of Tucumán in El Mas,
00:01:34last minute, three o'clock in the afternoon, you're on Imbatibles,
00:01:37you're on Crónica,
00:01:40exclusive,
00:01:46new attack by the loan shark mafia, listen to
00:01:49this case, uh, sisters live a nightmare for a
00:01:53loan,
00:01:57they threaten us every day.
00:02:08Emanuel Herrera is working
00:02:10there, he is with the two threatened
00:02:14sisters, he is going to tell us, they
00:02:17are going to tell us in first
00:02:20person, what is happening to them, what
00:02:24let's see, I'll tell you a little because I know something about the are they experiencing, Emma, welcome once again to Imbatibles, as
00:02:28exactly. the scourge of
00:02:31loan sharks, people who take advantage of the
00:02:34needs of other people, they
00:02:37wanted to start a
00:02:39in Argentina, you can't do whatever business, they wanted to invest to be able to open
00:02:42a small business, to be able to subsist, and the
00:02:45truth is that a debt that started at one million pesos,
00:02:49has now multiplied by 15 and they are living a
00:02:52nightmare, now they owe 15 million
00:02:56pesos, remind me your name, my name is Miriam. 15
00:03:00usual ones. They go and stand at million pesos from a debt of
00:03:03one million, uh, this nightmare began in
00:03:07February when my sister and I
00:03:10wanted to start a business to be able to get ahead, open a store
00:03:14and well, a mother of a classmate of
00:03:18my child at school introduced us
00:03:21to these loan sharks who are Colombians, we don't know their
00:03:25names, can I ask you a question, sorry, well, you
00:03:27tell us this, it makes me angry, I'm starting to
00:03:31get angry, can I ask you this, I'm going to be direct with this issue, did you
00:03:34sign a contract with these people, did you sign a promissory note, what
00:03:38did you sign?
00:03:41as a result of this way you No, nothing, nothing, we didn't sign anything, well, this is very clear, listen, what they are
00:03:45doing to you is so that you file a complaint with the police, because it's like I
00:03:48come now and tell you you owe me 45
00:03:52after million pesos, you don't owe these people 15 million pesos, I would practically tell you that you don't owe
00:03:56them anything, why do I tell you this so bluntly, because they come and say
00:04:00look, I'm going to charge you 300%
00:04:03daily interest, it's illegal, what they are
00:04:06doing to you is a threat, they are a mafia, don't pay them anything, file a complaint with
00:04:10the police, because if not, and if the lives of these women are at risk, well,
00:04:13but it's the same as if I told you transfer your car to me or I'll kill you,
00:04:17this is the same, but you haven't seen how these people pressure, what do they
00:04:21threaten you with, girls, so that you pay them, and it's a
00:04:25daily harassment, it's every day
00:04:29a call for...
00:04:44explaining myself, it's either pay
00:04:58sorry, they, they, uh, what
00:05:02in March we paid the installment of 400
00:05:0640000 pesos and in April after
00:05:09that.
00:05:12exactly yes and after how
00:05:15much they left you owing from the capital of the first
00:05:18loan without interest 200 pesos, you left
00:05:21them owing, from then on you never paid these people
00:05:25anything uh no, we couldn't pay them
00:05:28anything more because we ran out of money, yes, we could pay that because we could sell the
00:05:32freezer we had bought
00:05:35uh actually, uh the producer was mistaken, actually it was 2
00:05:38million that we asked for, oh you still owe them 1,2000
00:05:46uh yes, exactly, the thing is that since they
00:05:49supposedly operate with daily interest and
00:05:52if you reach the end of the month and don't pay the installment
00:05:56they renew the credit and charge you
00:06:00more, the thing is that today, in any case, what
00:06:03you are suffering here are threats because obviously you have been
00:06:07enduring it because you haven't paid them anymore, that is, you only have
00:06:11threats here.
00:06:13yes, yes, they call you every day, they tell you they are coming to your
00:06:16house,
00:06:19my sister, for example, I don't know if we passed the videos to the
00:06:23production where she has a broken window,
00:06:26at night, for example, cars stop in front of my sister's house, but wait,
00:06:30wait, because the issue is, uh, this, this
00:06:34unfortunately is a drama for many people,
00:06:37only here they have the courage to tell it on
00:06:40TV, but the harassment is ferocious, it's every
00:06:44day, uh insults, what do they
00:06:47have recorded or do you have a model message of how these people
00:06:50pressure you to return this money, so that we
00:06:53can dimension it and people, hello, how are you,
00:06:57yes, how are you, no, no videos, hello, uh,
00:07:01we don't have audio, what I did pass was the threats and at
00:07:04dawn cars almost always stop at the door, they stay for a while and I don't
00:07:08go out because I'm alone with the children, I don't go out to see who is there or who
00:07:11it is,
00:07:18Clear that they are going to kill us, that they are going to get into the house, that we prepare
00:07:22things, did you file a formal complaint at the police
00:07:25station?
00:07:27No, because we are afraid, we don't have, they don't
00:07:31give names, well, but then, let's see, they call from somewhere, they know
00:07:34them from somewhere, go file the complaint, say who gave you the
00:07:38contact, state who gave it to you,
00:07:42how you saw them, where you saw them, file the complaint with the police, because let's see,
00:07:45this, we live in a state of law, which means there is a law
00:07:51you want, you can not pay them, because obviously
00:07:55you owe these people money, to begin with, you owe them 1,2000 in
00:07:58capital, plus the interest that a judge or whoever
00:08:02decides this fact will have to regulate, do I make myself clear, because
00:08:05it's not that they make the law, you can now disavow the interest they
00:08:09decided, you can say, look, they didn't tell me. the interest is high, I didn't understand,
00:08:13furthermore, you have nothing signed, there is no signed paper,
00:08:17you talk about the law, uh, just in case someone has doubts, the
00:08:21loan shark, the neighborhood usurer is a totally illegal
00:08:24activity, what these people are doing is
00:08:27and then ruining your
00:08:31lives, because they act with a silence and
00:08:35a and a systematization where they already have the
00:08:38roles distributed, what happens to you is a true pandemic,
00:08:41it happens to... many, especially women in the neighborhoods, because it's
00:08:45speculating with need, with anguish, what things did
00:08:49you stop doing
00:08:53are living, how is your day-to-
00:08:56day,
00:08:58and actually it's living with fear, with
00:09:02fear, going out, always looking around,
00:09:06in all directions, in case they, I don't know, because they come
00:09:10in a car, on a motorcycle, to the children
00:09:13at school and we are constantly afraid because the children also go out
00:09:17to play on the sidewalk, uh we
00:09:19can't stop living, that is, doing our
00:09:23daily life because of this but the daily
00:09:26harassment is every day a phone call
00:09:30we know, for example, my
00:09:31sister look,
00:09:35honestly, they have the documents, they have our
00:09:38address, they know everything,
00:09:42so that they don't harass you on the phone, you change your cell phone number and then if they show up at your
00:09:46door, I don't know, at that moment you call 911 because I don't find
00:09:50many, uh, many solutions to this
00:09:52case, I, I don't know if I'm
00:09:56them what they say, keep enduring the threats, and if they threaten me in
00:10:00this way, many people, you know what they do, they ask for another loan
00:10:04to pay these people who already become to pay them how much, how are they going to pay
00:10:0815 million and
00:10:10200, the thing is that today
00:10:13we
00:10:15can't get into another loan either, I'll tell you a
00:10:19little about my situation, I studied for 3 and a half years at
00:10:23university. I graduated almost two
00:10:26months ago, I am a hospital pharmacy technician and I can't
00:10:30find a job, I'm looking everywhere, because of the
00:10:34phone, because of numbers, I go to hospitals,
00:10:37to pharmacies and, you know, no, yes Gabi,
00:10:41go ahead, no, we can't collect that money, where did you get these
00:10:44Dominican gentlemen from,
00:10:47Colombians, where did you find them, because they are not even from our country, I mean, where did
00:10:51you get them from?
00:10:54Uh, one day talking to a mom from school who, well, obviously
00:10:58I'm not going to give names so as not to compromise her,
00:11:00no, uh, uh, we were telling her that we wanted to do
00:11:04something, a store, something, because my sister was in a bad economic
00:11:08situation, I couldn't work either because I was at
00:11:11university, which means being at
00:11:14university all day, you don't have time,
00:11:17uh, she told us, look, I know some Colombian people who will
00:11:21lend you money and she gave us the number, yes,
00:11:25only with the contact, that day we
00:11:28arranged what was the loan, encouraging you to show your face on television, girls, the
00:11:31country is watching you at this moment, I mean, you have to be able to
00:11:34report them because maybe they can even deport them because these people don't even have
00:11:38documents, and I really mean
00:11:41it, uh, yes, the
00:11:45truth is that they don't even let you, I mean, when they
00:11:49call you on the phone and make threats, it's
00:11:52directly from an unknown
00:11:59The first thing I would do is change , you call the phone
00:12:02company, I want to change the cell phone number, I would change your
00:12:06number, your sister's
00:12:08number to start with, so that they can't call you anymore and then if
00:12:12they show up at your house, I would file a complaint because
00:12:16there aren't many solutions but listen, there is no other
00:12:19solution, Melina, listen, either they
00:12:21return the money that these guys are asking for, which is crazy because no one is going to
00:12:25return 15 million from two million and they don't have the
00:12:28money, they arm themselves and they start shooting, it's not going to happen that they
00:12:32are going to start shooting with these people, therefore, they, they,
00:12:35I mean, are not armed, so they have to file a complaint, who is going to defend you if not the
00:12:39police, we from a television studio cannot defend you, Emma said something
00:12:43I think, right? Let's see Emma, go ahead please, yes,
00:12:49unfortunately, the money these people
00:12:52handle is money that comes
00:12:56directly, it's black money, it's money that comes from
00:13:00drug trafficking, these people, as Melina rightly said,
00:13:04circulate armed, why? Because behind you have a fight for
00:13:07territories and what they want to avoid is that the money they
00:13:11carry is stolen from them, because they always go with live money, with cash,
00:13:14from what they collect, so people
00:13:18who are armed, I tell you that the threats they make
00:13:22to them are the
00:13:25your door and tell you I'm going to kill your son, I'm going to kill
00:13:29your husband, I'm going to kill the relatives
00:13:33they have, that's why I say they can change their phone
00:13:37number, but these people are armed, these
00:13:40people are known by a nickname and what
00:13:43they do is in the face of the constant
00:13:47dispute over territory and that another gang that does the same could come
00:13:50to take their money, they are very
00:13:54strong.
00:14:05they are not mafiosos and they are not armed, so that's why let's use logic and put a
00:14:08little common sense into this situation, you have two
00:14:11paths, flee and leave the country with your whole family, you don't want to
00:14:14do it, returning the 15 million is impossible because you don't have the
00:14:18money,
00:14:21so what can you do? File a complaint, don't you know what they are doing?
00:14:43are the eyes of women who are dead in life, imagine every
00:14:46day you leave your house, looking with total
00:14:50paranoia because you don't know what is going to happen to you and look, they
00:14:54tell me yes. head, that's how they live, this
00:14:58is one of the testimonies, but this happens every day in the neighborhoods,
00:15:01excuse me, I ask, isn't there a prosecutor who, if you file a complaint, gets
00:15:05to work and looks for who these Colombians are who are pressuring people, because
00:15:09it's a venomous trap, obviously not, and well, but listen, it's a trap,
00:15:12oh, I lend you a million, they know that they won't come
00:15:16back to then threaten you, it's not crazy, I,
00:15:19file the complaint, criminals,
00:15:23they do is play with... people's needs, because
00:15:27in our case no, uh, we had the
00:15:30hope of being able to open this store, of getting
00:15:33ahead, because as I tell you, we don't get, I don't get
00:15:36a job from...
00:16:08another missing
00:16:08teacher,
00:16:14nothing is known about Raul since October 12, how can
00:16:18it be,
00:16:21first Nanti, now Raul, please, where is
00:16:24Raul, she is connected with
00:16:26us, who is Raul's
00:16:30daughter, and we want her to tell us what
00:16:33she knows, welcome to Imbatible, on Crónica's screen.
00:16:38Hello, good afternoon, thank you for contacting me, please, thank
00:16:41you for your testimony, tell us
00:16:44principle, when was the last time, what was the last contact
00:16:48you had with your father, we want to understand what happened in this case to
00:16:52see what happened,
00:16:54yes, my dad, well, on October 12 he decides to leave
00:16:58here in the
00:17:01Mollar, which is near Tafí del
00:17:05Valle, to a hill called .
00:17:08uh he starts his journey around 10-11 in the morning
00:17:12uh to be able to reach the summit, which is more or less
00:17:163300 m above sea level
00:17:19uh around 5 in the afternoon he sends us
00:17:22photos saying that he had already reached the summit where he wanted
00:17:26to go, uh and that he was going to descend by another
00:17:29path that he had not encountered, excuse me, was there
00:17:33a signal on top of the mountain for him to tell
00:17:36yes, along his journey, he would send us
00:17:40photos, videos, he would tell us how the
00:17:43path was, that's why when he contacts
00:17:46my uncles who were going to pick him up at the
00:17:50bottom of the hill to go back to
00:17:53what is Tafí del Valle in Mollar
00:17:56he
00:17:58tells my uncle where he was going to go down
00:18:02yes, but from there, which was uh the last contact, the last
00:18:06contact, we assume
00:18:09he had an accident, that's the first thing that crosses our mind,
00:18:12no, yes, there are hypotheses, there are many
00:18:15hypotheses, the first is that maybe he
00:18:19got disoriented because, well, here at 5-6 in the afternoon the
00:18:22fog or clouds start to come down a lot, so you lose
00:18:26your orientation regarding the path, you don't know where you are,
00:18:30you have information, there is an issue here, Cristian, has he ever
00:18:34done this route?
00:18:36He knows the area, he is not
00:18:39inexperienced, he is, he is from Tucumán, uh,
00:18:43originally from Tucumán, he lives in Bariloche, for many years
00:18:46in what is the Black River, uh, he
00:18:50has been doing mountain trekking for many years
00:18:53and so on, both in the south and here in Tucumán, but it was the first time he climbed this
00:18:57specific hill, which is El Junco, look, they tell me
00:19:00this is key, he disappears on the 12th, he
00:19:04climbs, then when he was descending, he sends a
00:19:07the search for Raul, uh, let's remember that he is message, no. he never responds again, but now there is an issue, that on the 14th,
00:19:11that is, two days after the disappearance,
00:19:14uh, there is a signal impact that they tell me
00:19:17here, on route
00:19:19307, uh, it's a provincial
00:19:23road and the area of El Indio there, precisely
00:19:2648 hours
00:19:30the disappearance, a cell phone impacts, that's why there is
00:19:33an investigation regarding
00:19:3759 years old, Mollano, and they are looking for him, but
00:19:40here, attention, a hypothesis is not
00:19:44ruled out, if he ran into someone on the mountain, sure, and
00:19:48someone found the phone, for example, that could be a hypothesis,
00:19:51no, because they could have taken Raul too, he doesn't seem like a person,
00:19:55I don't know, why would they, for what reason would they take him, would they kidnap
00:19:58him? What does your heart
00:20:02tell you, your intuition, what do you think happened to your father,
00:20:04uh, no, for me he got disoriented because
00:20:08well, here the weather was not helping much, there was a lot of rain and the
00:20:12fog was, it was very, it didn't
00:20:15let you see the path for the next step, uh, more than 2, 3
00:20:18meters, it didn't let you see, but is anyone looking for him now, I mean, is anyone
00:20:22doing searches in the area where he
00:20:26got lost? Yes, yes, a search was
00:20:29carried out since, well, since the complaint was filed,
00:20:33uh, with people from the police here and so on, and then more people
00:20:37joined, and to this day, today there are people from both
00:20:40the police, federal, gendarmerie, uh,
00:20:43there are people from High Mountain, uh, a lot of
00:20:46people looking for my dad and luckily the government is.
00:20:50Yes, then a question, was your father
00:20:54a climber or an
00:20:57experienced tracker, I ask
00:21:00because with a little experience you can
00:21:03know what to do in case you get disoriented, for example, look at a compass
00:21:07or start going downhill towards where it tells
00:21:10you, for example, I don't know, I have to go west, I know the exit is to the
00:21:14west, you start heading in that direction, yes,
00:21:18yes, yes, my dad has been trekking in the
00:21:21mountains for more than 10 years, the thing is that well, it's not the same to orient yourself perhaps when
00:21:27you have a compass or you have a cell phone, than when you don't have those
00:21:30tools, but he had them, but I don't see him as an improvised person, your dad has been doing
00:21:34this for 10 years, he probably had a pocket
00:21:37compass, well, I don't
00:21:40have any idea because I wasn't with him here when he packed his things, but yes, he had the
00:21:44cell phone and he was trying to orient himself with it, well, the cell phone has
00:21:48a built-in compass.
00:21:50clear,
00:21:57but I'm also concerned, do you know if he was in good
00:22:00health, because you can have a lot of experience, but maybe, I don't
00:22:04know, he felt unwell, he had a fever, he was
00:22:07altitude sick, low blood pressure, anyone can
00:22:11have a heart attack, guys, let's be realistic too, clear, no, no, but
00:22:15no, he was a very healthy person and at least he had all the
00:22:19medical check-ups. So he was a person who knew what he was doing, uh, it's not
00:22:23that he just went for it, if he was a victim of a
00:22:25crime,
00:22:27well, uh, that hypothesis is not there because, well, it's not a very
00:22:31common hill for people to go to, uh, other than the local
00:22:34people who have animals, but then no accident,
00:22:38what does it feel like to you as a daughter, knowing the area, knowing your
00:22:42dad, what do you feel happened here? No, that he
00:22:45got disoriented and perhaps had some accident. In terms of not being able
00:22:49to continue in the direction he wanted or at least
00:22:52orient himself to a place where there are more people, so
00:22:55perhaps it prevented him from
00:22:59continuing his journey, no, the thing is that now many days have passed since October
00:23:0312, no, we are talking about, clear, if he is
00:23:06injured, that's why being injured, I get information
00:23:10that the search is reinforced, eh, they tell me that
00:23:12special forces personnel participate,
00:23:16infantry, volunteer firefighters from Monteros, the El Mollar
00:23:19police station. Drone specialists and also four
00:23:23highly knowledgeable rescuers from
00:23:26Mendoza also in collaboration, now how important it is to have all the
00:23:29instruments when doing an adventure like this,
00:23:32eh, I don't know, trackers or as I said before, the
00:23:36compass, because clear, now the police must be quite
00:23:39disoriented, because the place must be huge, sometimes when we are
00:23:43here we say they are looking for him, it seems as if in 15 minutes you cover the whole place, but
00:23:46maybe the mountain is giant.
00:23:51Sure, it's a, yes, we had the possibility to
00:23:55ascend by helicopter as well, to have an idea of what
00:23:58was being swept and what areas were being
00:24:02searched, uh, because well, as a family, sometimes you also despair because
00:24:06well, many days have passed and no objects of my dad have been found,
00:24:10so that is also desperate because
00:24:13we know that work is being done, but we haven't found his backpack, his trekking
00:24:16poles, his cell phone, nothing. Do you think
00:24:20the police, obviously all the people who have been looking for him from the
00:24:24first moment, did a good job, quickly,
00:24:28because as Laura said, many days have passed, I mean, what do
00:24:32you think this could have been at another time, that
00:24:35they could have hurried a little more, that they only thought he was
00:24:38disoriented, how do you see it? Well, here it's
00:24:42very, I don't know if the word
00:24:44is perfect to say it, but it's
00:24:48a habitual thing that people get disoriented when they climb the hill
00:24:52and sometimes get lost for one or two days,
00:24:55uh, and are found, this situation is
00:24:59something that had not happened before, so many days
00:25:02without any news, uh, my uncles,
00:25:05when they found out that same Monday at 8 p.m. that there were no
00:25:09traces of my dad, they decided to go to the police
00:25:12station, uh, well, it's all
00:25:16bureaucratic too, like all cases that
00:25:18there are, uh, so well, sometimes the... at 2 a.m. they
00:25:22finally took the report, why
00:25:24did your father decide to go
00:25:27alone? Because he always walked alone or sometimes with a group,
00:25:30he is a person who has been trekking for a long time and
00:25:34and sometimes it's a moment where he feels he disconnects,
00:25:37no, now at the time of the descent is when he cuts
00:25:40communication, that is, he announces that he arrives and at the time of the
00:25:43descent he sends the message and after that he loses all
00:25:47contact, that's why at these moments. they say
00:25:50gendarmerie, firefighters, they are with drones and people
00:25:54from other provinces are arriving to collaborate in the search,
00:25:57yes, yes, specialized people this of what is
00:26:01High Mountain. and so on, no, uh, to also have
00:26:05a lot of resources
00:26:10the mountain beyond the staff, well, working at a high
00:26:13altitude, it's 3 meters high, very high. First, you need to have experience, but also, I ask, how
00:26:17is the weather these days? Because I mean, we had
00:26:21very diverse weather with a lot of rain, with cold. How
00:26:25is the weather these days?
00:26:27Uh, of all these days, we had three sunny days,
00:26:31nice.
00:26:53could be, let's say, with certain
00:26:57goods supplied so that he could
00:27:01survive these days. for all these days,
00:27:05no, imagine that it was going to be a one-day trek, nothing
00:27:09more, and that he was going to come back. Generally, those who do
00:27:12trekking, he carried his lunch, fruit, dried
00:27:16fruit, some small piece of bread or candy, water, nothing else,
00:27:19but not for so many days to be, yes,
00:27:23clear, it would seem from what you are narrating, Susai,
00:27:27I tell you with all the pain in the world, no, I don't want to be
00:27:30pessimistic either, that your dad had some
00:27:33health problem or some type of accident and stayed there,
00:27:37because now that we were doing, I don't know if you're watching the news, I imagine you've been following us since
00:27:41the beginning, when one analyzes the case we were talking about before, of
00:27:44Nancy, how difficult it is to sometimes find a person who
00:27:48is lying on the ground, who is hidden somewhere, on the contrary, perhaps he
00:27:52wanted to take shelter from the cold, he got into, in inverted commas, what
00:27:55would be a cave, a place to take shelter, which any
00:27:59person would do, logically.
00:28:02If he couldn't overcome that instance, so to speak,
00:28:06he stayed there also, because one imagines, well, I'm going
00:28:10to look for him, he's standing on a rock waving, and perhaps the case is the
00:28:14opposite, no, clear. What what, of course, if that had been the case,
00:28:17that he had stayed still, we would have found him
00:28:21days ago, but that's not the case.
00:28:24There's also the hypothesis that he wanted to take shelter because, well, the weather
00:28:28wasn't helping, and well,
00:28:31what you're saying is how he ate, everything, it's key, it's key. Do you feel
00:28:35that they've already scoured the entire area?
00:28:38Yes, but here for those who know and if they want to investigate
00:28:42also, what is the Niuniorco hill has many ravines and having
00:28:46many ravines is dangerous, for that same reason, but that's what
00:28:49I wanted to ask you, could he have fallen into one of those
00:28:53ravines, could he have fallen because I mean, that's also a
00:28:56possibility.
00:29:02that he may have slipped or something like that, injured himself and wanted to
00:29:06take shelter in a ravine, of course. I sent
00:29:10you a video when he
00:29:13reaches the small bench, which is one of the
00:29:16summits. Yes, he sends us, he sends us
00:29:20photos and then, uh, his partner
00:29:24sends him, uh, she also makes a video call,
00:29:27she makes a video call, there was a signal, of course, there was a signal, it was great there with the
00:29:31signal. In that last video, he says: very closed
00:29:35path, but it seems that at 50 m more or less, or
00:29:39a little more, is what he says, what he tells in that
00:29:42video. You know what worries me is that he was experienced, he had been doing it for 10
00:29:46years. You see 50 m ahead in the mountain, you go calmly,
00:29:50looking with the stick, seeing where you step, it's
00:29:53strange, you see, he's a cool guy, surely he won't fall
00:29:57that easily, I mean, no, Susy,
00:30:00did you manage to talk to another group of mountaineers who might have
00:30:04crossed paths with him, who might have had some record, who could
00:30:07really tell you how the situation was up on the
00:30:11mountain? Uh, no, no, I know that, well, the local people
00:30:15here who have animals, but not at that altitude,
00:30:18imagine 3,300 m, a lot, uh, but I know that
00:30:22at that time it was already a bit foggy, and then on Tuesday, I
00:30:26think, and because I know my dad,
00:30:29uh, he must have thought that, well, he could have spent a night, and then the next
00:30:33day he would calmly walk out and descend from the
00:30:36hill, uh, but no, no, he didn't cross paths with people at that
00:30:40high altitude, no. Gabsai,
00:30:44uh, this might be a strange question,
00:30:47but he hadn't fought with anyone, he didn't
00:30:50have any problems with anyone, with his
00:30:53partner?
00:30:55No, no, no, he didn't have problems, nor was he a
00:30:59depressive person.
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