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00:00:00you could talk to another group
00:00:01schools work, she knows of mountaineers who maybe crossed
00:00:04paths with him, who may have had some record, who could
00:00:07really tell you what the situation was like up on the
00:00:11mountain. Uh, no, no, I know that, well, the local
00:00:15people here have animals, but not at that altitude,
00:00:20Remember that we are in the month of imagine 3,300 m, a lot eh, but I know that at that time it was already a bit foggy
00:00:24and then on Tuesday, I
00:00:28one can have a lot of circumstances at the think, and knowing my dad, he probably thought that, well, he could have
00:00:32spent one night and the next day he would calmly walk out
00:00:35and descend the hill, but no, no, he didn't
00:00:38cross paths with anyone at that high altitude,
00:00:41no,
00:00:45uh, it might be a strange question, but he hadn't argued
00:00:49with anyone, he didn't have any problems with anyone, with
00:00:53his partner,
00:00:56no, no, he didn't have problems nor was he a depressive
00:00:59person. Nothing like that, uh,
00:01:02it was very common for him to go out and do physical activity and
00:01:07recognized with especially, well, we all have moments when we seek
00:01:11recreation through physical activity or other
00:01:15tasks, but for him, going for a walk, doing physical
00:01:18activity or going to the hill was a time to disconnect and connect with himself,
00:01:22he was emotionally going through a good
00:01:25time
00:01:27spiritually.
00:01:30Yes, yes, yes, he wasn't doing bad, that is, he wouldn't have, from your
00:01:34point of view and his partner, made any
00:01:36decision, no, no, not at all, that's
00:01:40totally ruled out, there's a moment, uh, that's
00:01:44very important, which is in that video and what the specialists say is
00:01:47that you have three ways to descend, you have the path on
00:01:51the right, which is the least used, with sectors of
00:01:54cliffs, you have the path in the center, which is a more
00:01:58traveled path and a faster descent, then you have the left side, which is
00:02:02another possibility of exit through the hillside, but here's something
00:02:05important, on October 12, uh, your dad
00:02:08says he had more or less 40% battery, that's what
00:02:11Matías, your brother, says in a note, he said that there was more or less
00:02:1540% battery on his phone, on the 14th, a
00:02:18antenna located in Los Sarmientos registered a
00:02:21signal attributed precisely to your dad's phone,
00:02:27clearer, within now that video that the family sends is what
00:02:30the investigators are trying
00:02:34they left the cell phone and to reconstruct because it would be the path he apparently descended by, now those are
00:02:37the three paths
00:02:41and they don't find absolutely anything and the record of this antenna
00:02:44which is in the area of Los Sarmientos, how is that area of Los Sarmientos, I don't know if you
00:02:48know the area well since you're from there.
00:02:51To give you an idea, the Sarmientos antenna picks up from the
00:02:55side of the hill, from the southern area, so it's more
00:02:59from that area, descending the hill, yes, uh, my dad
00:03:03ascends from the northern area, which is exactly where the hill is, the highest
00:03:06part, so to speak, in El Mollar and Tafí, uh, he ascends
00:03:10through that area, the antenna picks up from the opposite side, so it picks up the Sarmientos
00:03:14antenna which can be very wide, where it could be,
00:03:17uh, it's like a triangle that antenna covers, that's why
00:03:21it was important to comb the entire southern part
00:03:25know, perhaps under of what would be the hill, which is the part where you descend and then
00:03:28you directly go to the towns here. Tucumán, right, let's see, logic
00:03:31indicates that if he managed to get down, he could have reached
00:03:35somewhere, I think I'm sticking a
00:03:38bit with the hypothesis that he could have had either an
00:03:42accident or tried to take shelter somewhere and they can't
00:03:45see him now with the
00:03:48drones and the dogs and everything, the truth is it's
00:03:51desperate, how are you, Sushi? We haven't asked you personally,
00:03:55do you have other siblings? Tell us a bit about
00:03:58your life, yes. I have one more
00:04:01brother, who also lives in Mariloche,
00:04:04we are, well, besides being accompanied by my aunts' and uncles' family
00:04:10night that all your people will and his partner, we are well, as direct relatives, as children,
00:04:12and desperate because there's no
00:04:15news of him, and well, every day you think he's going to appear and they're going to
00:04:19find him that day, and something of his, right? As you
00:04:23said, the hiking poles or
00:04:26some belonging that could shed some light
00:04:30on what could have happened to him, because the most distressing thing is this, it's like nothing,
00:04:34he went up and then total disconnection, right, the uncertainty, the
00:04:38lack of knowledge of what could have happened to
00:04:41Raúl, yes, luckily we have, that is, there are a lot of
00:04:45people working and well, I always mention Mr.
00:04:49Parajón Hernán, who is the one helping us
00:04:52guys, team, what with this rescue organization issue, he's a very
00:04:55capable person in this, so
00:04:58well, I communicate a lot. And he also gives me
00:05:01some relief regarding
00:05:05the search, what is being done, and with hope, obviously, of always finding him
00:05:09alive, right? Did your dad ever leave you any
00:05:12message or any, or did he let you know,
00:05:16you know, what he would do if he were in a
00:05:20dangerous or lost situation, had you talked about the risks of the
00:05:24mountain? Uh, I don't know, something like that which
00:05:28now makes some sense to you.
00:05:31Uh, I mean, no, not in case something happened to him, but I do know
00:05:34that he is a person who studies the terrain where he goes to explore a lot, obviously
00:05:40moment when, uh, it happens right then and there and you have to
00:05:44resolve it at that instant, but I do know
00:05:47that, and that's also a bit why it gives us hope for my
00:05:50dad's life, beyond the number of days and well, this thing about food and water
00:05:54and the cold, above all, to also be a bit calm
00:05:58that he can appear alive because he is a person who
00:06:01can resolve in the instant that any problem might occur
00:06:05or anything at the moment in the mountains. You seem strong, Sushay, I don't know how
00:06:09you see it, I truly admire you a lot because
00:06:13I mean, you're going through this terrible
00:06:16situation that I don't know
00:06:19how you do it, you seem whole, you explain everything in an
00:06:23incredible way, I mean, you're a strong woman, you are
00:06:25strong. Are you hopeful?
00:06:29What's your perception? I know we've asked you that many times
00:06:32but no, fortunately I'm
00:06:35accompanied and well, I try to when I have these
00:06:39opportunities regarding media communication, to try to
00:06:42explain it as calmly as possible, but well, it's not that I'm totally
00:06:46whole, I also want to announce that
00:06:50besides this situation, I'm 4 months pregnant
00:06:53so something I saw in her that was
00:06:57special is that you also have to understand
00:07:01that you have to be strong for what
00:07:17investigators are also investigating is
00:07:21the Calaveras sector, which is following the river's course to
00:07:25the southwest, near El Indio.
00:07:28Yes, there's the hypothesis that maybe he
00:07:31tried to locate water, meaning the river, because that
00:07:35would be the most coherent thing
00:07:38if he could have moved in a good
00:07:41way without having a serious
00:07:44accident, besides knowing that descending
00:07:47is a bit easier than ascending,
00:07:50right, obviously, uh, also so that you keep in mind, the area where he's being
00:07:54searched for is an area uh, here it's called yunga, which has
00:07:58a lot of vegetation, so, uh, nothing,
00:08:02also, well, my concern is that here on rainy days,
00:08:05uh, that he's getting wet or cold or
00:08:08whatever, it's also desperate, but well, I also trust
00:08:12in my dad's knowledge and as a person that he could
00:08:16have figured out how to
00:08:19shelter himself in the best way until we can find him, Sushay,
00:08:22hopefully with all the strength in the world we
00:08:26wish you to soon know what happened to your
00:08:29dad so that whatever the outcome, it allows
00:08:33you to carry on with this, which is the happiest moment of your life,
00:08:36in the best possible way, accompanied, we send you a
00:08:40big greeting and you can count on us.
00:08:43Thank you very much and well, I hope the news continues to spread so that the
00:08:47search also continues and that this news
00:08:50about the search in his papers is noticed, of course,
00:08:53for us it's a priority, until next time, strength,
00:08:56thanks,
00:08:58goodbye. The year ends and the same
00:09:02question always comes up, where are we going to say goodbye? Let's see team, start thinking, but
00:09:06I have the answer, eh, in Caballito, in Negroni Terre
00:09:09306, end-of-year farewells with your group, friends' dinner
00:09:13to pamper your entire team, birthdays, private
00:11:10the website www.floresce.com.r.
00:12:59Breaking news, 3 PM, 42 minutes,
00:13:03on the Crónica screen, all the information on
00:13:07unbeatable femicide and commotion for
00:13:09Nancy, the autopsy on the
00:13:12body began, Cristian has all the exclusive
00:13:16details, what was the criminal plan, what happened
00:13:19to Nancy, who were the participants, what
00:13:23will we be able to know from the
00:13:25autopsy? It will be known if
00:13:29there was sexual abuse with penetration, it will be
00:13:32known, uh, precisely, uh, well,
00:13:35if the body was moved, if the
00:13:38main scene is the place where it was found, if
00:13:42uh, it was clearly in another place and then they left it in that
00:13:46area, it will be possible to
00:13:50the nails if there was a type of DNA, that DNA
00:13:54will be able to be compared with the detainees to know
00:13:56if, out of the five detainees, there is a material
00:13:59author, no, if it is the person who, well,
00:14:03committed the act, it will also be possible to
00:14:06know, uh, regarding
00:14:09uh, the date of death, no,
00:14:13really, the date will not be able to be
00:14:16known much regarding the forensic reports, so the next
00:14:20hours are very important also, obviously, for the
00:14:23family so that they can
00:14:25remember that today at 6 PM in Corrientes Capital there will be
00:14:29a strong march by teachers and the population
00:14:33and in several places in Corrientes there will be different
00:14:36demonstrations, that's how it should be, that's
00:14:40how it should be because this case cannot be forgotten, it cannot go
00:14:44unpunished and we have to unmask
00:14:46when something in the state is not working
00:14:50because evidently no one cared about rural
00:14:53schools. They paid a 3-year salary for a destroyed
00:14:57school on private land, they change the person and send a woman
00:15:01alone to a field in the middle of nowhere and they don't
00:15:04pay any attention to her. She explains what she's
00:15:07experiencing, she warns, what do you have to do, go
00:15:10with drums and trumpets, do you have to bring an orchestra for them to listen to you? I find it
00:15:13very revealing,
00:15:17Alejandra, the daughter-in-law, said,
00:15:20we wanted to help Nancy to arrive in a
00:15:24more comfortable way, especially on rainy days, this was the
00:15:28case, this was the case and they didn't let them, but also Alejandra has
00:15:31a central piece of information when it comes to exposing all this, which is that she is also
00:15:35a teacher, so she knows how
00:15:38what it means to dedicate your life to teaching,
00:15:42so I think she could have been of great help to Nancy and they didn't
00:15:45allow her that option, neither to her nor to her son
00:15:49José, right? And also that they never allowed her to accompany her,
00:15:52that's very strange, very strange that they
00:15:55quote
00:15:58field, let's list them because there are many people
00:16:013 hours why did Nancy
00:16:05bother them, guys? Nancy said it, Nancy told
00:16:09them and today it takes on another relevance, that warning to the
00:16:12family, Nancy said they are watching me, that is,
00:16:16the family is very clear, it could be that
00:16:19after all this it makes us suspect that there was a
00:16:23sexual assault motivation, or perhaps that
00:16:26was a purpose, but Nancy
00:16:29was bothering someone, something Nancy could see,
00:16:33hear, know was something that was inconvenient for someone.
00:16:38The situation, of course, the situation was very comfortable when the director was a man,
00:16:42when the director didn't go, when he spent 3 years collecting his
00:16:45salary and someone received the money the state of the province sent for the
00:16:49maintenance of the school, when the children weren't educated because the children who
00:16:53were on that farm started to be
00:16:56Nancy's students, they didn't go to school before, it wasn't
00:17:00different either, something different team that we
00:17:04always have victims but we never have a
00:17:06cell phone, in this case Nancy's cell
00:17:10phone is there and that forensic analysis of that device will be very
00:17:13important, because there we will be able to know the connection
00:17:17she had with the five detainees, we will be able
00:17:20to know the messages, truly the
00:17:23cell phone is important because the previous director will not be called, the previous director must
00:17:27be called, if there was a threat to that phone, if they threatened
00:17:30Nancy, hopefully that a correct job
00:17:34is done, that a correct chain of custody is done for that.
00:17:37scene, meaning the backpack,
00:17:39device and that it can be opened, that's the only thing that makes me doubt, what
00:17:43you just said, if it's really as the family thinks
00:17:47and they really planted the
00:17:53the salsa beret, the cell phone,
00:17:57I mean, even if you take out the chip,
00:18:00answer, let's see if you have it
00:18:04the cloud, can you without a password
00:18:07identify everything that was there? Because I mean, if
00:18:11what and the content, no, do you understand what
00:18:14I'm asking? Can it be recovered, could it be recovered? We
00:18:17have Mauro, Mauro is not here from Corrientes, Mauro, welcome to
00:18:21Inbatibles by Crónica, Mauro has great information, he knows
00:18:31to officially have the result of this
00:18:35autopsy which started
00:18:38at 7 in the morning and whose preliminary results
00:18:41would already be in the possession of the forensic medical institute to provide to
00:18:44the family and the public prosecutor's office, but yes,
00:18:48it will take 12 days for the
00:18:51total result of the autopsy, but the preliminary one
00:18:55will be available today at 6 PM, but preliminarily,
00:18:59Mauro, will we be able to know if there is
00:19:02genetic evidence on Nancy's body that
00:19:04is relevant?
00:19:07to be able to put people inside or outside the result,
00:19:11femicide in Nancy's nails, in the
00:19:15paragenital area,
00:19:18in her scalp, we will be able to know if Nancy, for
00:19:21example, fought with her attackers, if she has
00:19:24excoriations as a result of having tried to defend herself, all this we will know.
00:19:28exactly, that will be known
00:19:32and besides that, the results of the phone crossings are already
00:19:36available. No, not only
00:19:38will the autopsy report
00:19:42be added, but also the result of the phone crossovers, today
00:19:46Dr. Brien said that
00:19:50if they were sure that the
00:19:53defendants had something to do with the strongest theory
00:19:56of the case, now they are completely sure, he didn't
00:20:00want to anticipate what's on the cell phones, but he says that the cell phones spoke
00:20:04and spoke with great certainty, but of course, imagine.
00:20:07Exactly.
00:20:15And also, you have to keep in mind that when it's not a crime planned much
00:20:18in advance and everyone agreeing, everyone is
00:20:21implicated by what they wrote, because if you're
00:20:24planning a crime, no one talks on a cell phone, etc., like, I don't know,
00:20:28the bank robbery is different from when it was all
00:20:32improvised, hey, you don't know what I did, let's go here, let's go
00:20:35there, it complicates things a lot. Yes, the prosecutor's office did very
00:20:44this sloppiness of throwing the body
00:20:47in the sun, no, there wasn't anything. It wasn't buried or
00:20:51anything, the bag a few meters away, the cell phone
00:20:54inside the bag, speaks of a discard out of
00:20:58desperation, not something very premeditated, so
00:21:02to that will be added that there are proofs, that will speak, the body will
00:21:05speak, the cell phone will speak and I think that by tomorrow this will
00:21:09change a lot because for tomorrow there was the
00:21:12testimony, the interrogation of Rosa, yes, but that
00:21:16interrogation was requested before this happened
00:21:20and before all these expert results, therefore I
00:21:23think there will be changes and as the doctor also anticipated,
00:21:27be careful with Bordón, be careful
00:21:31that the classification of the crime for Bordón is not changed,
00:21:34regarding Rosa and
00:21:38is there any idea
00:21:42that she might say something and try to distance herself from that
00:21:45responsibility that she now has with the role that has been assigned
00:21:49to her by the prosecutor's office, it's not that she was assigned it, she earned
00:21:52it herself, right? Yes, the theory, the presentation
00:21:56she has to do with presenting what would be her alibi,
00:22:00uh, talking about her, the famous award she
00:22:03received, yes, not only that but also her
00:22:07medical attention she received in the town of Sauce, the
00:22:10dance she supposedly attended,
00:22:13it's more of an interrogation to
00:22:17completely detach herself, but we have to...
00:22:20if she's really detached within the
00:22:23phone forensics something the doctor said
00:22:26today, is Rosa
00:22:30also within this association to commit the crime? Mauro, there's one
00:22:33thing that is, uh, let's say, the result of the experience of covering
00:22:37cases unfortunately like this fiscal's temperament was
00:22:41very clear, he learned after
00:22:45those who had nothing to do with it, who are the first
00:22:48laborers, he released them all, the others
00:22:52he kept detained,
00:22:55but but but the, and he also changed
00:22:58the crime he accused them of, the charge, but
00:23:01also today Nancy's daughter-in-law said, for me there are more people
00:23:13could be, I don't know if that many, but yes, in the
00:23:16case of Joaquín Leizamon, the brother.
00:23:27We'll have to see, of course, the one who is a witness today, we'll have to see if he was also part of the strategy and then ends up with some degree of participation in this,
00:23:30because if he gives details, there are things he
00:23:34knows, and he is
00:23:37and always has been under scrutiny that we all speculated he would be one of the
00:23:41first arrested, so far he enjoys freedom, which does not
00:23:45mean that his participation won't change.
00:23:49and end up on the list of defendants. Mauro, do you think Leizamon
00:23:53is the only person who is missing? Because
00:23:56today we were talking with the family, I tell you, and they
00:24:00say there's something much bigger behind all
00:24:03this, what do you think of that?
00:24:06And, so far, no, it's not just my opinion,
00:24:10but how the investigation is progressing, and
00:24:13I believe that today the forensic result of the
00:24:16body will be fundamental, because everything points
00:24:19to a crime. of perhaps an attempt or
00:24:23perhaps there was sexual abuse with a
00:24:26femicide and with the discarding of the body, up to that point not
00:24:29only did the doctor also say it well,
00:24:33the investigation is very focused on that, they talk about
00:24:37certain phone forensics that would also
00:24:40confirm something like this, but the official
00:24:43report we will have from 6 PM.
00:24:47to see if it existed, if that defense existed. If there was
00:24:51an attack, what modality and everything that is now
00:24:54transpired becomes official information, it will also be very
00:24:57revealing if she was not
00:25:00sexually abused, there we could be
00:25:03facing a twist in the hypothesis of the
00:25:07crystal, clear, clear, everything can change, yes,
00:25:10but it's not just the body,
00:25:17I don't rule out the cell phone.
00:25:20People who are detained speak because there are
00:25:24human humans compromised up to their hands
00:25:28that when the prosecutor comes and says I read all your
00:25:31cell phone conversations, do you have something to say, maybe the person says yes,
00:25:35I have everything to say now, don't forget also it's perpetual for the type of crime
00:25:39they are being accused of, it's perpetual, so perpetual
00:25:42and and sorry if someone can
00:25:46get away because really alone they will try
00:25:49to do it. pact of silence, who will want to go to prison one day and
00:25:52who is representing these people,
00:25:56they are all with representatives, Mauro can know this, eh,
00:26:00official or private, let's see? the only one who
00:26:04has an official
00:26:06representative is Sandoval, the rest
00:26:10all have private
00:26:21be that they collected money from their families, sorry,
00:26:25these are expensive lawyers, they are expensive, yes, they are
00:26:28lawyers, they are good, they are good lawyers, eh
00:26:32lawyers. They told him not to say anything and stay seated there because I don't see
00:26:35that, let's see, they are accused until the accusations are
00:26:38serious, they didn't say anything, so far they told him: look, don't
00:26:47body, one thing is a pact of silence when the
00:26:50speculation is never found and today the psychological impact
00:26:54that there's a body, the fear that they will have of the results of the expert reports,
00:26:57surely someone and the other topic, Mauro, which is that of
00:27:01Bordón, that of the pawn. that I say is the one who has the
00:27:04representative who surprised at the beginning, I mean, his lawyer is a prestigious lawyer,
00:27:10his brother in prison also, let's say it, but I mean, eh and
00:27:13finally he is one of those who said, at least as far as
00:27:16we know, a part of the truth, no, well,
00:27:20today it is proven that what he said is true because the whole theory
00:27:24of the case is that several committed the murder
00:27:28of Nancy, something that he said and remains
00:27:30detained.
00:27:37do you think, Mauro, about the scene now that we know the video well,
00:27:41you surely had access before, what
00:27:44does this video tell you regarding where
00:27:48Nancy was supposedly discarded, if it is
00:27:51a difficult place and that it is better now
00:27:55because a little water was stagnant, it is a
00:27:58very difficult access place, undoubtedly a place
00:28:02that only a local could
00:28:05be, but I insist on the way the body was in the
00:28:09place, it has to do with someone
00:28:12depositing it, someone I insist that perhaps the only way on horseback
00:28:16is to go on horseback and throw the body, throw the
00:28:20bag eh and and throw the boots that are also
00:28:24there, the boots too,
00:28:27the bag thing is not understood, do you understand something? The bag thing is
00:28:31inexplicable. They discard a body, they grab the bag, they throw it next to it, not a
00:28:35body, yes, which they already did quite badly, so it's a message
00:28:38for someone, exactly, why not, sorry, I'll
00:28:42give you the floor, Mauro, why didn't they keep the bag, you give me the bag,
00:28:46I put it in a trash can, I burn it, when it's ash
00:28:50I throw it again, I burn it again, then I have a barbecue on top and nothing
00:28:53ever appears, the bag is the easiest thing to discard in the world, no,
00:28:57I'm not talking about a hydraulic
00:29:00shovel, a tractor with a hydraulic shovel, I'm talking about a
00:29:03bag that is flammable, how are they going to
00:29:06leave it thrown next to the body, that's the way to hide the body,
00:29:10hide the bag, let's see what you think and
00:29:14also, just as they
00:29:20little things inside, why not think that they want
00:29:23us to think that Nancy got lost, that Nancy was walking around there and that she
00:29:27had some accident that led to her death, so there is her bag,
00:29:31her boot, her cell phone. The bag is perfectly placed there,
00:29:35suppose it had been to stage the scene of a woman who
00:29:38had an accident, perfect, no, no, the bag was not there,
00:29:41tell me how the bag was, the bag was
00:29:45also thrown, yes, also thrown, the bag has handles,
00:29:49right? Yes, yes, that was already almost face
00:29:51down, it was not
00:29:52deposited,
00:29:55it was thrown for Mauro, listen to me, wind,
00:29:59rain, eh, an animal, no,
00:30:02let's see, the bag, but the bag is not even stained, it doesn't have
00:30:06mud, tall grass, but wait, tall grass and what does it have to
00:30:09do with it, why do you clarify in a tall grass area, that not all
00:30:12that accesses, no, the tall grass, the tall grass is there, you have
00:30:16the whole swamp, yes, the swamp salt and it is within a
00:30:20tall grass area, that is, what do I want to tell you with this, that being
00:30:24there and with the rains it is difficult for it to have
00:30:27mud, but it is damaged by time,
00:30:30anyway, that will all be known now,
00:30:33eh, what was found, how it was found, but it's strange, it's
00:30:36very strange and that the phone is there is even stranger, it speaks
00:30:40of a mental precariousness, as you well
00:30:43say.