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00:00:20Russia has no bright
00:00:27future. Putin is an engineer at heart, he is a techie
00:00:31at heart, he needs to be morally humiliated, why not
00:00:34throw tomatoes, but forgive me, you are already asking
00:00:38me like Vanga what will happen to the
00:00:42country, as a state, will it survive?
00:00:44Yeltsin, the Russian God on earth, I will
00:00:47revive you,
00:00:54historian and publicist Ivan Tolstoy on Deutsche
00:00:57Welle, according to his own words, he worked
00:01:00as a fortune teller, he spoke in the program "In Trendi"
00:01:03about why, in his opinion, Putin will never be
00:01:06overthrown, how the West should punish conductor
00:01:10Valery Gergiev, and why today one should read the books
00:01:13of Lenin. Ivan Tolstoy, welcome to the program "In Trendi" on Ode
00:01:17Choovle. Thank you, by the way, one of your interviews struck
00:01:20me, in which you said
00:01:23that the people of Russia
00:01:25are unscrupulous, and this is the main feature.
00:02:00They will tell you: you have been living abroad since the late eighties, early
00:02:04nineties, you
00:02:07certainly visit there, you used to cross over, more precisely, in
00:02:10Russia, you hosted programs,
00:02:13but you don't know the country well enough
00:02:17to judge it, and even so,
00:02:20no, I have not stopped being Russian, I may have
00:02:24stopped being Russian, but that's a technical problem, and
00:02:28about Russians, she said it best.
00:03:00They should be oriented, they should
00:03:02be, but it's all about statistics, you understand, compared to
00:03:05the French nervous, laughing and
00:03:09a little tipsy God, the Russian God
00:03:12sleeps more than he should, God
00:03:15is generally not responsible for what happens, he
00:03:19gave birth, then you friend, friend yourself, act
00:03:22yourself, but the Russian God turned on his side
00:03:26sleeps facing the wall, tell me.
00:04:00there is nothing more false, why?
00:04:03such a God, a money God, a corrupt
00:04:06God, he became so only in
00:04:09the very last years, generally speaking, in Russian society
00:04:13the attitude towards money was sharply negative, as something
00:04:16completely shameful, the Russian
00:04:19intelligentsia, that is, the active part of society, money is
00:04:22shameful, the measure of peace should not be
00:04:26produced through money, but through something else, through...
00:04:31philanthropy, through justice, through
00:04:35magnanimity, through mutual aid,
00:04:38through friendship, through, whatever you want, just not through
00:04:41money, no, I categorically disagree, how do you then
00:04:45explain
00:04:47quite a lot of people who voluntarily
00:04:50went, I know there are very different situations, sometimes people are driven to
00:04:54a contract and so on, but quite a lot of people in Russia
00:04:57went to fight for money. to kill for money, to die
00:05:01for money, I am critical of this statistic, look at
00:05:04the population, how many
00:05:07people of military age, capable
00:05:10of going, and how many went to...
00:05:46and they did not allow Bukovsky and his team to achieve their goal, because Bukovsky was not going
00:05:50to imprison anyone, not a single person, this was
00:05:54supposed to be a moral process, a moral
00:05:57condemnation of these, here the Russian God
00:06:01gave a snore, this is when Bukovsky,
00:06:05what, Vladimir Bukovsky, the dissident, was allowed for some time into
00:06:08the archives, that's when he pulled out some unique documents. sand
00:06:12and it was command-wise done so that nothing was left of it, and
00:06:26Yeltsin, the Russian God on earth, he
00:06:29turned away,
00:06:31and he became bored and unnecessary,
00:06:34given, well then
00:06:36he was a part and not a small
00:06:40part of the CPSU, an important part, Boris Nikolaevich. turned out to be one
00:06:43of the unscrupulous ones, despite having the fewest
00:06:47political enemies of all general secretaries, of all
00:06:50presidents, of all first persons of the state,
00:06:53fewer, fewer, fewer, what are you, that's why
00:06:56many remember him very well, and nevertheless, here's an example
00:07:00of unscrupulousness, everything was there, there was political
00:07:04power to condemn the CPSU, then
00:07:07the country would really have gone, but not on
00:07:11the opposite, perhaps, road. Well, on the side, and not on, I will
00:07:14object to myself, it would not have gone, they would have said, well,
00:07:17they invented some kind of court, anyway, at that
00:07:21moment, privatization there, the collapse of the economy, and so on,
00:07:24well, in 3-4 years they would have said: well, what a foolish thing they arranged here with
00:07:28this CPSU, and I didn't have a job under the CPSU,
00:07:32that's all they would have told you, they wouldn't have forgotten, they would have
00:07:36also said what foolish money they spent, to your objection, I will
00:07:39object, only the active part of society.
00:07:43leads the country and the state
00:07:46somewhere,
00:07:48who said that Lenin was completely wrong? Lenin,
00:07:52by the way, turned out to be a genius in organizing
00:07:56a coup, he succeeded, power was lying on
00:07:59the ground, no one wanted to defend the old
00:08:02governments, just as in February no one defended the tsar, so in October
00:08:06no one defended the provisional
00:08:08government, and Lenin raised and made his own...
00:09:12his his
00:09:14psychological makeup, I am not saying this to condemn, it is
00:09:18simply a certain certain segment
00:09:22of society, that's it, that's a large segment,
00:09:26a large one, by the way, from techies, from engineers
00:09:29come out amazing specialists, if they are not sharpened for
00:09:33evil, like KGB agents, Putin is a popular
00:09:37type, as I understand it, in this sense, that there are many such people, right, people,
00:09:41this is the secret. his long
00:09:44stay on the throne, besides the repressive apparatus,
00:09:48if, say, the apparatus was weaker, he would continue to sit, I think, yes, he
00:09:52greatly appeals to a certain type of people, he
00:09:56appeals to many
00:10:00representatives of the fairer sex, his suit fits him well, he is a
00:10:03sporty person, with an excellent figure, you can't argue with that,
00:10:06then he is tough and doesn't believe
00:10:10in rose-colored glasses, this is... very many
00:10:14servicemen, again technical
00:10:16intelligentsia, workers, this is also very
00:10:19important. Putin, of course, is most
00:10:22unacceptable for artistic...
00:11:56the war against Ukraine will
00:11:59continue either until he suffers defeat,
00:12:03or until he decides that he must
00:12:06stop it for his own reasons, exactly so, either
00:12:10defeat, or it will be Putin's decision, that is,
00:12:14turning a terrible situation to his advantage,
00:12:17to his PR, let's just say
00:12:20that, I think that the war
00:12:23with...
00:12:55the regime will indeed suffer defeat in this
00:12:58war, what will happen to the country,
00:13:02as a state, will it survive? Of course, there is
00:13:05one, there is one scenario, that is, when
00:13:08a general squabble begins, and no one lets anyone else near this pie, it
00:13:12will depend on how Putin
00:13:15deigns to leave the historical
00:13:18scene, if it is a bloody denouement, then it
00:13:22continues as a bloody denouement. If it is
00:13:25a deal, then that's another matter,
00:13:29but who wants to come to power after, if it is
00:13:32an appointed successor with
00:13:34a concreted defense, that's
00:13:38one thing, a new, new Putin, Putin 2,
00:13:41Putin 2.0 begins, yes, and you won't
00:13:45approach it again, but if everything is sudden, if
00:13:48the children of today's elites, of today's
00:13:51favorites start a struggle among themselves and...
00:14:25a good such person, well-read, read
00:14:28Kafka, will say, guys, let's live in peace, and
00:14:31what, step aside, old man, this is a serious
00:14:34game, young charismatic, but
00:14:37unarmed, against
00:14:40a Kalashnikov, an intellectual against a Kalashnikov
00:14:43at the first stage is improbable,
00:14:47the second may be, the second, if
00:14:51that seasoned one, who seized future
00:14:54power... will understand that without brains
00:14:57the country cannot be pulled out of this swamp,
00:15:01if, generally speaking, maybe,
00:15:03no, this person may not be related
00:15:07to ethical issues, this may be a good political
00:15:11chess player who will understand, you need to
00:15:14give Crimea back to Ukraine, you need
00:15:17to leave Donbas, you need to stop this, stop that,
00:15:20stop the hybrid war all over the world,
00:15:24because... only with foreign
00:15:27capital in cooperation with the free democratic
00:15:31world is there a normal way out of
00:15:34the deadlock, and since this is...
00:16:40from the bath, we throw the baby out with the bathwater, because we start nitpicking at the border about a toothbrush, about
00:16:44an old lottery ticket, I don't know, about what to go for, about a used
00:16:47car, which is all a bucket of bolts
00:16:51and nuts, yes, while rich people, it
00:16:54turns out, travel, and it turns out, those who
00:16:57are even declared undesirable by the Putin
00:17:00regime, we see him on beaches, in
00:17:03living rooms, in museums, in opera halls, where to follow?
00:17:37to foreigners, so that they come to them, because
00:17:41who is this, for example, what type of person,
00:17:44some famous media figure, he
00:17:48appears everywhere, he wants in Paris, he wants in
00:17:52Australia, he wants, in
00:17:54Warsaw and so on, well, what's the last name, you still said
00:17:58it, what's the last name, it's a type, it's a big deal,
00:18:01when representatives of
00:18:04Trump travel, we see that, so to speak, it's forgiven
00:18:08a priori, beforehand, everything is forgiven in advance, but
00:18:11very similar things happen with European governments,
00:18:15not with all and not to such an extent, but
00:18:19still, you understand, there is a loophole, and this water
00:18:22seeps through, this is terrible, because
00:18:26there is no principle, to forbid a conditional, say, Anna Netrebko,
00:18:29to close
00:18:32this pavilion in Venice at the Biennale and so on,
00:18:36all this is needed. Not to close culture,
00:18:39invite by your choice, close industry,
00:18:43trade, close deals, close
00:18:47the shadowy oil fleet and so on,
00:18:50these things, trade through third countries,
00:18:53trade of strategic,
00:18:56strategic dual-use items and so on, and
00:19:00control here, when a Western entrepreneur,
00:19:03an oligarch, the owner of a huge concern says: I don't know, I
00:19:06sold... something to Indochina somewhere, and what happens
00:19:10next, I don't care, this is a moment for a prosecutorial
00:19:13investigation, that's why Putin is waging war, he
00:19:17has the means to wage it, Russia
00:19:19is getting richer, well, it seems to me that
00:19:23it's not getting richer, it's surviving, its economy
00:19:26is cracking, but its finances are accumulating,
00:19:29many believe that
00:19:32Russian culture today is used by
00:19:35the Kremlin as some kind of... Trojan horse,
00:19:39Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov comes to conduct something, yes,
00:19:42everyone says: well, there's something there, right, so you need to be
00:19:46softer, therefore, this kind of
00:19:49works for Putin, you disagree, I don't agree, you need to be
00:19:53not softer, but tougher, but
00:19:56invite, you need to invite Gergiev and arrange
00:19:59an absolute monstrous
00:20:03obstruction for him, but Gergiev... excellent,
00:20:06talented conductor.
00:20:08Gergiev should not be forbidden, he should be morally
00:20:12humiliated, tell him what you think of him, how he
00:20:16will wave his baton after that,
00:20:19talented, he will, of course, but he will have
00:20:22cats scratching at his soul, that is democracy,
00:20:25not to forbid anything
00:20:28that is permitted, culture should not be subjected to any
00:20:32prohibition, even if it is from...
00:20:35propagandist,
00:20:50on this opinion of society, well,
00:20:52society is worth something, it weighs or it's passive
00:20:56bunnies, no, no, just send us clean ones, but where
00:20:59is the struggle? Culture is a natural struggle,
00:21:02intellectual, beautiful, powerful,
00:21:05symbols are born here, new ideas are born here,
00:21:09here the soul
00:21:11of modernity is born,
00:21:15fight, tell him what, arrange
00:21:17obstruction,
00:21:20you need to throw tomatoes, you need to arrange a moral
00:21:23obstruction, not to come to a single concert,
00:21:26please, La Scala, come out on stage and
00:21:30not a single person in the hall, it won't be like that, it won't be,
00:21:33therefore I am a soothsayer, but why not throw tomatoes, well,
00:21:37because you might hit a person in the eye and poke
00:21:40out his eye, he will open his mouth to take the high note, at
00:21:43that moment you stuff a cucumber into his stomach
00:21:47and he dies in front of your eyes. Scatter and
00:21:50Ivan, as for
00:21:54some, well, moral duty, if you will,
00:21:57of Russia towards Ukraine and the Russian people, this
00:22:01discussion about what is guilt and what is
00:22:05responsibility? Here it is possible that something
00:22:08like repentance, yes, but repentance on the
00:22:11part of the active part, on the part of
00:22:14the passionate, on the part of the intelligentsia, and those
00:22:18who will be... on the bench, those who go fishing
00:22:21instead of crossing themselves, repenting and falling to
00:22:25their knees, they will always be - in the backwater,
00:22:29they will always be on the sidelines and not participate in anything, well, the active
00:22:32part, of course, can, should
00:22:35repent, and is repenting already today, and, unfortunately,
00:22:38those who do not want to notice today's
00:22:42voluntary, conscientious repentance, these people do not
00:22:46meet my understanding, because there are many noble
00:22:49people, of course, they are measured in pieces and tens, hundreds,
00:22:53thousands, not millions, one would like millions, but
00:22:56these people exist, they never die, well,
00:23:00Dmitry Glukhovsky, the writer, in
00:23:03a conversation with our program, he said: "You know, even
00:23:07if somehow all this ends, maybe even Crimea
00:23:10will be given back, and reparations will be paid, and then
00:23:13still, he said,
00:23:16there will be a Weimar Russia, which will be even cooler."
00:23:50Russia has a striped destiny,
00:23:53we very much, I, my family, my friends, my
00:23:56like-minded people, very, very much hope to fall into
00:24:00Russia in a bright stripe and
00:24:03escape before the onset of a dark stripe, I
00:24:06escaped when the stripe was bright, that is, under Gorbachev,
00:24:10in eighty-eighth year I managed to escape, I spent all the nineties,
00:24:14when it seemed to be bright or a bit gray,
00:24:17a little foggy, but a bright stripe it was. Nevertheless, yes,
00:24:21there was a Chechen war, both even, and nevertheless
00:24:24still, it was relatively, we know what to
00:24:27compare it to, a bright stripe, I always said, no
00:24:30bright future, permanent, no,
00:24:34democratic happiness for Russia, no, it is written in
00:24:37its destiny, precisely because society is sleepy,
00:24:41unscrupulous society, my people
00:24:43are unscrupulous, but it has different
00:24:47strata, it has that part, to which... I
00:24:50internally pray, I hope
00:24:53to belong to it, but alas, I am sure that
00:24:57this heavy bear will overcome again,
00:25:01they very correctly took the bear as a symbol of their party,
00:25:04this is the Russian, well, this, unfortunately,
00:25:08is nature, such a half-asleep bear, sleeping for
00:25:12half a year, and then God forbid you
00:25:15wake it up, taking your scalp
00:25:19and... covering you with leaves,
00:25:22you know why the bear, yes, it first bites off your top,
00:25:25then you die, it buries you so that you
00:25:29rot, you will be tastier, and it leaves, and
00:25:32then after some time, after half a day or after 2 days, it comes,
00:25:36sniffs, ah, it started to stink, it can be
00:25:39eaten, that's how the bear acts, it doesn't eat you right away,
00:25:43and many without a scalp ran away,
00:25:46there were such cases, yes,
00:26:02This is a short period, I really hope for it, then darkness, then a short one, then
00:26:06darkness, Russia has a striped destiny,
00:26:09God grant that we fall between two
00:26:12stakes of this terrible
00:26:15tragic fence. Ivan, thank you very much, thank you.
00:26:35Who is to blame for the collapse of the USSR, you or
00:26:37Yeltsin? I would say
00:26:41this:
00:26:49just imagine what Gorbachev went through,
00:26:52what I went through,
00:26:59there in those materials, well, so much.
00:27:03horror,
00:27:10I turned around, took this teapot and drank it all
00:27:13at once,
00:27:19that's how it is, real dinosaurs, I
00:27:23said,
00:27:29winds blow from the steppe. such
00:27:33intoxicating smells
00:27:35just,
00:27:42I started to forget, I knew a lot
00:27:46of poems,
00:27:46yes, and immense
00:27:53efforts and skill, that's all, it's not
00:27:56that simple, and you have to again, as they say,
00:27:59harness these guys' horses. People should know what
00:28:04is happening in the country,
00:28:08stubborn big heads, he said,
00:28:11and what
00:28:14about
00:28:18water, time
00:28:21shows that at the end of strength, I
00:28:25said what I
00:28:26said,
00:28:29that's good.
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