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00:01:27Hello, and a warm welcome to all of you to our
00:01:30special program "Panch Ki Panchayat." I am Nikhil
00:01:33Singh, and today we will talk about the politics of Uttar Pradesh
00:01:37in "Panch Ki Panchayat," where once again, the season of caste equations
00:01:41has returned because the elections are upon us.
00:01:44The 2027 elections in Uttar Pradesh. But this
00:01:47time, the biggest question is from the Samajwadi Party,
00:01:51the same Samajwadi Party whose politics for years
00:01:55and suppressed it. We have a saying in our village, revolved around the Yadav-Muslim, i.e., MY equation.
00:01:58Why is the Samajwadi Party suddenly trying to woo Brahmins
00:02:02today? The 2027
00:02:05elections are now approaching,
00:02:08and the riots increase to such an extent but the new strategy of the SP has raised many questions.
00:02:10Appointing a Brahmin face as the Leader of the Opposition in the assembly,
00:02:14showing activism in the programs of Parshuram Jayanti,
00:02:18the Brahmin conference that just happened yesterday. What is the message
00:02:21of this change?
00:02:24Party is for all sections of society, Is this a new politics of social harmony
00:02:27or is it the compulsion of electoral calculations?
00:02:30Has the Samajwadi Party now realized that it is not easy to reach power
00:02:34relying only on the old vote bank, and that is why
00:02:38when we had two seats, the Brahmin card is being played
00:02:40we were still with Ram. now? So the biggest question is also this: the party that has been accused for a long time
00:02:44of playing politics
00:02:47We proudly say with the vote bank of a particular caste and a particular class,
00:02:52If I support the river, the ocean gets upset. that society goes towards decline. is that same party now trying to distance itself from its old politics or is it trying to connect
00:02:56with a new society? If the Brahmin community
00:03:00was so important, then why wasn't
00:03:04this respect shown earlier? Why did the Brahmin conferences
00:03:09community that they are using and love for upper castes suddenly come to mind as elections approached?
00:03:12The BJP is also raising this question. It says that this change
00:03:16is not a matter of principle but a result of the restlessness for power.
00:03:20The BJP alleges that the history of the Samajwadi Party has been one of appeasement,
00:03:23dynasticism, and vote-bank politics, and now that
00:03:27the old equations are seen to be weakening,
00:03:31attempts are being made to woo the Brahmin community. So today's
00:03:35biggest question is whether the SP's Brahmin card is necessary
00:03:39or a compulsion? Is this an honest attempt
00:03:42at social expansion or electoral
00:03:45To fight on the symbol opportunism? Will the Brahmin stay with us because we are stopping for a short community trust this new political
00:03:49campaign? Because the Brahmin community is considered very intelligent. Their political
00:03:52understanding is also considered very sharp and very good. So
00:03:56the politics of irreligion? will the Brahmin community trust this or will it consider it
00:04:00just an electoral strategy? And on these questions,
00:04:04there will be the biggest debate today, in "Panch Ki Panchayat." We will include
00:04:08our special guests in the discussion, but before that,
00:04:12watch this report on the political rhetoric
00:04:24on this whole issue. I say this time, PDA will defeat
00:04:28NDA.
00:04:30And minorities will work to defeat the Bharatiya Janata Party this time.
00:04:34In PDA, 'P' stands
00:04:37for Pandit.
00:04:38है
00:04:43Those people who define PDA differently at times,
00:04:47हैं
00:04:51should know that in PDA,
00:04:55'P' stands for Pandit.
00:04:58शॉर्ट फॉर्म है.
00:05:01And the more pain you cause, the more stronger
00:05:05'P' will appear.
00:05:05देगा.
00:05:42is being done by the party and Congress together, due to whose wrong policies
00:05:46and corrupt practices, due to hooliganism, no one wanted
00:05:49to invest in Uttar Pradesh. And those people who
00:05:53robbed the rights of the youth of Uttar Pradesh,
00:05:56deprived the youth of Uttar Pradesh
00:06:00of their jobs,
00:06:04that Samajwadi
00:06:06Party
00:06:09is once again trying to spoil the perception of the state.
00:06:13की कुछ चेष्टा कर रही
00:06:15This has always been the case.
00:06:17Are the Brahmins not victims? Are the Kshatriyas
00:06:20not victims? So all the victims
00:06:24are associated with this terminology and will continue to be associated.
00:06:28So that's the point, when it comes to joining, then
00:06:32these people get flustered.
00:06:35The Samajwadi Party has nothing to do with all sections of society. They play the politics of Muslim appeasement
00:06:39and only play politics by creating a vote bank.
00:07:12Theft and brazenness. It's like a cat eating a hundred mice
00:07:16and going on a pilgrimage.
00:07:19The constant changing of the meaning of PDA
00:07:23clearly indicates that these people are opportunists.
00:07:26They are the Samajwadi Party. They should rename themselves the Opportunist Party.
00:07:30चाहिए,
00:07:32Their intentions and those who believe in the constitution are not together. The government
00:07:36wants development work. The public has elected them
00:07:40to the assembly for discussion. These people are doing drama.
00:07:42रहे
00:07:51So you saw the kind of statements made by the leaders. One
00:07:54side says that the victim is the full form
00:07:58of PDA. They say that the one who is oppressed is backward, and is also a Brahmin.
00:08:02But the other side, that is,
00:08:05the opposition parties, in this particular context, if I may say so,
00:08:09the BJP and its allies are saying that the issue
00:08:13is not about the backward and the Brahmin.
00:08:16It is about political opportunism. So to discuss this entire issue,
00:08:20we have a panel of special guests with us.
00:08:24Let's bring them into the discussion and try to understand whether
00:08:28this is political opportunism or social harmony
00:08:31that the Samajwadi Party wants to connect, and to what extent
00:08:35is it correct? What is everyone's stance? Dr. Kaushalkant Mishra,
00:08:38BJP spokesperson, is with us. Welcome, sir. We also have Dharmendra Singh,
00:08:42who is the spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party. Dharmendra ji, welcome. Rohit
00:08:45Agarwal, spokesperson of the Rashtriya Lok Dal, is also with us.
00:08:48Rohit ji, welcome. Ram Kripal Singh, senior
00:08:52journalist, is with us. Ram Kripal sir, a warm welcome to you as well. And Ram Kripal ji, I would
00:08:56like to start with you. I would like you to give the opening statement
00:09:00or, shall we say, guide this discussion. Especially since
00:09:04you have seen that the Samajwadi Party has changed its policy.
00:09:07You see them moving towards soft Hindutva, whether it is about the Ram Mandir
00:09:11or now you have seen them playing the Brahmin card,
00:09:15talking about connecting with Brahmin conferences. How do you view
00:09:18this changing politics? How do you assess it?
00:09:22From what perspective do you see
00:09:24this? Look, you showed a lot
00:09:28and played people's
00:09:30current and past statements. So when
00:09:33PDA was formed, its
00:09:37meaning was backward, Dalit, and minority. That's
00:09:40what they say. Now, it's like
00:09:44"as the weather, so the coat." In politics, it is also
00:09:48seen what opportunities there are, and how they are.
00:09:51So calling someone an opportunist in politics doesn't mean
00:09:55anything. They have to be opportunists.
00:09:58And there's a couplet in Manas:
00:10:01"Jay bhi hoye Nath mora karo subeg
00:10:04das mein tora." So in whatever way,
00:10:08if it seems that something can be achieved,
00:10:11now look, 'P' for backward, 'P'
00:10:15for victim, 'P' for Pandit, and it is possible
00:10:19that like alliteration, something else will emerge.
00:10:22'P' for... So right now, it's just
00:10:55a series of events, and the way people are trying to take advantage
00:10:58of it. It's possible that in two to four months,
00:11:02everything will change. It's possible that during the monsoon session
00:11:05that is currently underway, some events will happen
00:11:09that will change all the equations
00:11:11again starting tomorrow. My
00:11:15point is that when something happens,
00:11:19those things keep happening.
00:11:21है
00:11:24And there's no need to think too much about
00:11:27what it is. All parties will
00:11:31do their part. It's pure politics, and it's a misconception
00:11:34that as you were asking,
00:11:38"Maharaj, you are Mishra, so do journalism, why
00:11:41bother?" The public is very aware.
00:11:44The public understands everything, sees who is
00:11:48where. Making a decision is still a long way off,
00:11:51but Akhilesh ji is trying
00:11:55that in eight years, almost
00:11:58nine years have passed.
00:12:02For nine years, there has been this restlessness
00:12:05to bring the party back
00:12:08on track. But
00:12:11the recent events, although I am not talking about cockroaches
00:12:15right now, but the way
00:12:18the
00:12:21assembly elections have taken place, whether it's Maharashtra, and after
00:12:25that the surprising results
00:12:27in Odisha, Bihar,
00:12:31Bengal, whatever
00:12:34this is, it has become clear
00:12:38that, look, I am broadly saying that those who
00:12:42used to think that by gathering
00:12:45minorities, they would achieve a lot, those things
00:12:48are slowly coming to an end. So these
00:12:52things are
00:12:56that you can't
00:12:59एक
00:13:01It has been proven from Karnataka itself that elections cannot be won
00:13:04solely on the strength of minorities. Yes,
00:13:08in Karnataka, ever since minorities left
00:13:11Deve Gowda, and the way things are,
00:13:15now in Uttar Pradesh's politics,
00:13:18their traditional vote bank,
00:13:22Congress is also after it. Its
00:13:25leader, the word 'neta,' 'ne' means leadership, and 'ta'
00:13:29means strength. So he is looking for his strength
00:13:33across the country, that his leader's strength
00:13:36has disappeared. So he is looking, and so are other parties.
00:13:40That's right. So
00:13:44in this restlessness, many words will change, many meanings
00:13:47will change. Many things will happen. Yes, yes, yes.
00:13:51You said it right, "as the opportunity, as the weather, so the coat,"
00:13:55and this should not be taken opportunistically. Of course,
00:13:59from a democratic perspective, it is Akhilesh Yadav's,
00:14:02the Samajwadi Party's, absolute right to reach out to any community.
00:14:06But you also said one more thing, that from Assam
00:14:10to West Bengal, from Odisha to Maharashtra,
00:14:13the veto of the Muslim vote bank seems to have broken somewhere,
00:14:17and perhaps that is why these equations are seen changing.
00:14:21This is what political analysts believe. Many people
00:14:24probably believe this, and perhaps this is why when
00:14:28I ask Dharmendra Singh the next question, what
00:14:31necessitated that the one who was backward before
00:14:35is now a Brahmin? Before, we showed you the clip
00:14:39that your leader Mishra
00:14:42ji, the entire clip you heard, how
00:14:46he addressed them, how he used to disrespect them, and now
00:14:49they are ready to put them on their eyelids. So is this necessary or a compulsion
00:14:53given these elections?
00:14:57Yes, Nikhil ji, namaskar. Our fellow panelists, and especially when
00:15:01we were at Allahabad University, Ram Kripal ji was very famous in the
00:15:0590s. And to your viewers, my namaskar. Your question is very genuine.
00:15:09Look, the question you are raising first about our leader,
00:15:12respected Akhilesh Yadav ji. In 2022,
00:15:16Parshuram ji's conference was held, Parshuram's axe was installed,
00:15:20and many programs were held, and at that time too, a similar
00:15:23discussion was going on.
00:15:25The Samajwadi Party has always, it's a different matter that people of the Bharatiya Janata Party
00:15:29sometimes make it MY, sometimes something else. But it has always
00:15:32taken all sections of society along. And in that era, you see earlier
00:15:36when Rajnath Singh ji was the national president of the Bharatiya Janata Party,
00:15:40a large number of Brahmin and Thakur votes went
00:15:43to the Samajwadi Party. At one time, a large number of
00:15:46MPs also won for us in 2000.
00:15:49थे,
00:15:52I am coming to the important point, about PDA. Our leader
00:15:55has said many times before that
00:15:59PDA means backward, Dalit, minority,
00:16:02half of the population, and also the marginalized people who have been left
00:16:06out of the mainstream, the exploited people, the deprived people, the forward castes,
00:16:10all are with us. No political party can
00:16:14abandon any caste, any religion, treating them as untouchables
00:16:17and do politics. The Bharatiya Janata Party, it's a different
00:16:21matter, plays politics on religious grounds, and the Samajwadi Party
00:16:24has never treated anyone as untouchable
00:16:28in politics. In politics, speeches and language can change
00:16:31from time to time. Politics is about moving forward with time, or even in society,
00:16:35some things are left behind, some things are added. But to say that
00:16:39earlier such equations used to work,
00:16:42now with these equations... The schemes of the Samajwadi Party,
00:16:45whether they distributed laptops to all sections of society, or
00:16:50was for all sections, or if they built the metro
00:16:54in a very short time, not only did they show it running, when no one could think of
00:16:58an expressway, Jaguars also landed on it. Everyone travels on the Agra
00:17:01expressway. There has been no such scheme, be it the Lohia Awas Yojana
00:17:05or the Janeshwar Misra Gram Vikas Yojana, all were for all sections of society.
00:17:09The special incident you were showing,
00:17:12of the Honorable National President, he asked, look, the questions
00:17:15you should be asking the government, the questions you should be asking the Chief Minister,
00:17:19what will be the answer if you ask someone else?
00:17:23He didn't ask what caste you are. He asked for the name. Now he said
00:17:26Mishra, so he said, "Mishra ji, he didn't ask if you are
00:17:30backward." If you want, I can replay that point.
00:17:34He said, "No, then tell me your name," and then he said Mishra.
00:17:38No, Nikhil ji, what the Chief Minister said to a reputed
00:17:41channel, it's not even appropriate to say it here, in my opinion,
00:17:45it would be against the model code of conduct if I were to say that word.
00:17:49What did the Chief Minister say about it? So these are different things.
00:17:52Many times, such things come up, what do they not say to people?
00:17:56So it would apply equally to them, but it is true that the politics of the Samajwadi
00:18:02and Brahmins, especially when society is misguided,
00:18:06goes in the wrong direction, when needed, they have always
00:18:09shown the right path. It is the name of sacrifice, the name of dedication,
00:18:13and they have contributed to building society. So, respect for Brahmins,
00:18:17in a society where Brahmins are not respected, it is also said in the Vedas and
00:18:21by Lord Krishna in the Gita that they should receive the highest respect. Where
00:18:24they are not respected,
00:18:27So they have always been respected in the Samajwadi Party,
00:18:31and from time to time, you can see in the past, our leaders have met
00:18:35many saints and seers, and have
00:18:38stood by them in their troubles and problems. In Ayodhya,
00:18:42many saints expressed their displeasure. The Brahmin community vowed
00:18:46to oust the Indian government because
00:18:49of how they were being forced
00:18:52regarding their compensation, their properties. And that same society saw
00:18:56how, in the name of God, they committed such a big deception
00:19:00by stealing donations. So all sections of society are upset with the BJP,
00:19:03and there is no need to view it in any other context. Okay.
00:19:07Kaushalkant Mishra will answer this, that the BJP plays politics of religion
00:19:11and that the Samajwadi Party has always
00:19:15been a benefactor of Brahmins. "Abhay hoye jo tumhe darai"
00:19:18this concept has now become that of the Samajwadi Party.
00:19:22I would like your comments, your answer.
00:19:25Nikhil ji, if the BJP plays politics of religion, what's wrong with that?
00:19:29Everyone should play politics of religion. Who plays
00:19:34To follow dharma is what the Supreme Court says. It's the motto of our secret
00:19:38agency. One should follow dharma,
00:19:41one should protect dharma. So
00:19:44where is it wrong to follow dharma? Now let's talk about
00:19:47the Samajwadi Party. You have to understand.
00:19:51When the country became independent, Uttar Pradesh had a Congress government, and
00:19:55their vote bank was Dalits, Brahmins, and
00:19:58Muslims. Ramkripal ji will agree,
00:20:01yes. And after
00:20:04that, caste-based politics
00:20:07declined, and there
00:20:11different caste-based leaders emerged. Dalit leaders emerged,
00:20:14Akhilesh Yadav ji, Samajwadi Party emerged,
00:20:18and when they got the chance, talking about Akhilesh ji,
00:20:22when he first got the chance, as long as his vote bank
00:20:26worked, first look, first you have to understand that earlier
00:20:29people used to be in power by getting 20-25% votes.
00:20:32Today, the Bharatiya Janata Party has changed the norm.
00:20:36If you are not close to 50%,
00:20:39you will not be able to remain in power. So this change has been brought
00:20:43in democracy by playing politics of religion. Secondly, now when
00:20:47you look at Akhilesh Yadav ji's first term or Mulayam Singh ji's term,
00:20:51what used to happen? Only the politics of the MY
00:20:54factor used to run. The MY factor, Muslim plus
00:20:57some selected castes of the backward class, they used to do politics.
00:21:01Their government started to fall. They felt something was wrong,
00:21:04and then what did they do?
00:21:08They tried to add Dalits. When? When their slogan
00:21:11became, what was the slogan? Their slogan was
00:21:15"Mile Mulayam Kanshiram, Hawa mein ud gaye Jai Shri Ram." Was this not Akhilesh
00:21:19Yadav's slogan? It was the Samajwadi Party's slogan, when both of them met. Then
00:21:23even after that, when it didn't work, what
00:21:26did they do? They then made it
00:21:30PDA, such a confusing PDA. Akhilesh
00:21:33Yadav himself gets confused about who is P, who is D, who is A. But in that,
00:21:37three things are fixed. P means
00:21:39dynastic, D means rioter, and A
00:21:43means minority. This has remained fixed, and there has been no change.
00:21:47You see this,
00:21:51these people who are talking about Brahmins, their own spokesperson
00:21:54compared Brahmins to prostitutes just a few months ago.
00:21:58He went around apologizing everywhere. This
00:22:01is the same Samajwadi Party who, okay,
00:22:05they also lathi-charged Shankaracharya. They did it, didn't they?
00:22:09I'm not talking about what happened today, I'm talking about history. The truth is this,
00:22:12if you did it, it will not be asked. They
00:22:16did it. One minute, Dharmendra ji,
00:22:50they have been doing it. Whenever the Samajwadi Party government comes
00:22:53to power, crime, riots all increase in the state,
00:22:58that when there are riots, after that, they only
00:23:01give compensation to minorities, for which they are reprimanded by the Supreme Court.
00:23:05So it's nothing. This is an electoral chameleon.
00:23:08As and when
00:23:11needed, they will change their color according to the vote bank.
00:23:14The color of the Bharatiya Janata Party is fixed.
00:23:17Saffron, we follow dharma, and we will continue to follow dharma.
00:23:20We don't change according to votes. When no one was going
00:23:24to take the name of Ram,
00:23:30Today also we will remain with Ram. Even if we don't get a single seat,
00:23:34we will remain with Ram.
00:23:37that we are with Ram, and we do politics of religion. There is nothing wrong with that.
00:23:41We cannot do irreligious politics, we cannot do immoral politics,
00:23:44we cannot do caste politics. Okay, Dharmendra ji, we'll come back to you,
00:23:48before that.
00:24:20Nowhere else. In West Uttar Pradesh, there is only one party,
00:24:23and that is the Rashtriya Lok Dal. The public has full faith
00:24:27in the leadership of Honorable Jayant Chaudhary ji, and in West Uttar Pradesh,
00:24:31the public recognizes only one symbol, and that is the hand pump.
00:24:35of the hand pump, all the
00:24:39MLAs of West Uttar Pradesh, if you ask them whether they will fight on the hand pump symbol
00:24:43or any other symbol, their answer will be the same, that they will fight on the hand pump symbol.
00:24:47So if you talk specifically about West Uttar Pradesh, then
00:24:51neither the politics of religion nor the politics of caste
00:24:54works there. Only and only the politics of development
00:24:57works there. The model there
00:25:01is repeated somewhere across the country. As for the fact
00:25:05that we are calling the Samajwadi Party casteist today,
00:25:08who took this tag? Who talked about PDA?
00:25:12You talked about PDA, we didn't. But when you talked about PDA
00:25:15and you kept changing its definition
00:25:18day by day, and I think the Samajwadi Party
00:25:22people must have given more than 100 definitions of PDA.
00:25:26So when you talked about PDA, and after that you made Mata Prasad Pandey
00:25:30the leader of the opposition, then
00:25:33on the debate, I told the Samajwadi Party that 'P'
00:25:37for them is Pandey ji. Then they used to get very angry
00:25:40and oppose it. It is still in the archives,
00:25:44those debates, when I used to say 'P' for Pandey ji, then they used to oppose it.
00:25:47Meaning, it is true that today you have cheated
00:25:51the backward and the Dalit, and you have already cheated
00:25:54the forward. The entire country knows
00:25:58that you only consider minorities as a vote bank. You have never
00:26:02understood them beyond that because you have never given them anything. Look, the
00:26:05truth is that their PDA is
00:26:08'Personal Development of Eraj Gair.' The rest of it is just spreading
00:26:12illusions. They are trying to mislead the public.
00:26:16They feel that, well, when needed, become a Brahmin, when needed,
00:26:20become a backward, when needed, become a Dalit, when needed,
00:26:24become something else with 'D'. So this is extremely unfortunate
00:26:27and extremely sad that they consider the people of our country
00:26:31to be fools. They think that the country will not understand. Now I will tell
00:26:35you their reality, Nikhil ji, please give me 10 seconds. They
00:26:39were celebrating Janeshwar Mishra ji's birth anniversary, and
00:26:43in the name of Janeshwar Mishra ji, they built a very grand park in Lucknow.
00:26:46Ask the spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party, this park they built,
00:26:50they didn't actually build it, they just renovated it.
00:26:54Along with renovating, what was the name of that park
00:26:58which they changed to Janeshwar Mishra Park? The name of that park was Dr.
00:27:02Bhimrao Ambedkar Park.
00:27:21Then you needed Brahmins, but as soon as the need for Brahmins was over,
00:27:24they immediately did what? They started exploiting
00:27:28Dalits. Now look at the situation.
00:27:32The name of Bhadohi has been kept as Sant Ravi Ravidas Nagar.
00:27:35The NDA government has kept it. So ask them
00:27:39why the name of Bhadohi was Sant Ravidas Nagar since 1997,
00:27:43and you changed that name to Bhadohi.
00:27:47So where does this anti-Dalit mentality come from?
00:27:50I told you, look, the situations are clear. In every way, you will sometimes
00:27:54try to catch the backward, sometimes you will try to catch the Dalit, sometimes
00:27:58you will do politics in the name of religion, calling them minorities, and sometimes
00:28:02you will do politics in the name of castes. But the public understands everything,
00:28:05that you belong to no one, neither the forward, nor
00:28:09the Brahmin, nor the backward, nor
00:28:12the Dalit, nor the minority, because you only belong
00:28:15to one family, that is Akhilesh Yadav ji's family,
00:28:19because when it came to giving tickets to five MPs,
00:28:22those five were Yadavs, and
00:28:26those five Yadavs were only and only from Akhilesh Yadav ji's family,
00:28:29they were not from any other family. Five Yadavs. Those five
00:28:33Yadavs who were given tickets in 2024 were from Akhilesh Yadav
00:28:37ji's family. Besides them, there was no other Yadav.
00:28:40You don't even belong to Yadavs, the truth. Okay, okay,
00:28:44okay, let's get the answer from Dharmendra ji. Dharmendra
00:28:47ji, a line is coming to my mind that to gain a little.
00:28:51In the pursuit of something, a lot is lost.
00:28:55I am saying this because you
00:28:58want to get a backward Brahmin. In the desire to get backward people, isn't it true
00:29:32that nothing else works? That's what they are saying. They got one seat in 2017.
00:29:36थे,
00:29:41One minute, one minute. Don't take the wrong perspective, sir.
00:29:45He said this, he said this. I am even noting down some points for you.
00:29:49He said that the West is only about
00:29:51development.
00:29:57Hey, listen, everyone else, be quiet. Don't speak, everyone else. We are talking to
00:30:01Dharmendra Ji, Dharam Ji. No, no, Rohit Ji, Rohit Ji, be quiet for a minute.
00:30:04Rohit Ji, be quiet for a minute. Rohit Ji, be quiet for a minute. Dharmendra Ji, Dharmendra Ji, listen to
00:30:08me. Hey, Dharmendra Ji, listen to me. I am saying
00:30:12that I am just putting you in the right
00:30:13perspective.
00:30:18Such personal... Hey, such a good discussion is happening. You guys
00:30:21are
00:30:22getting personal.
00:30:26No, no, don't get personal, don't get personal, Dharmendra
00:30:30Ji and Dharmendra Ji.
00:30:41Both of you be quiet. Both of you be quiet. Dharmendra Ji, I just said don't
00:30:45speak about each other and don't get personal. Such a good discussion is happening. Everyone is
00:30:49speaking in their turn. Now don't speak about each other. Look, the audience
00:30:53is also watching. Our Doordarshan audience is very enlightened. So don't
00:30:56spoil your own image. If anyone says anything bad
00:31:00to anyone, then understand this.
00:31:02I am saying that Dharmendra Ji, you said that Rohit Ji said that in Western
00:31:06Uttar Pradesh, caste politics happens. Actually, I was interrupting you in between. I am not
00:31:10interrupting you, but I was saying that he did not say that in Western Uttar Pradesh,
00:31:14only caste politics happens. He said that in Western Uttar Pradesh, only development
00:31:18politics happens. So if you have misunderstood that, then correct yourself. Now give
00:31:21your answer again. And brother, everyone should speak in their turn. Dharmendra Ji is speaking, no one else
00:31:25will speak in between. Dharmendra Ji, it's your turn. Nikhil Ji, Nikhil Ji, when he was speaking
00:31:29all this, he said, you can listen to it completely, that there is no religion
00:31:33politics there, neither this nor that. There is only talk of caste. Anyway, whatever
00:31:36he says, let him know, but these people are showing us the mirror.
00:31:40In 2017, their one MLA won. In Lok Sabha,
00:31:44they reached zero. Honorable Akhilesh Yadav Ji sent them to Rajya Sabha.
00:31:48To their leader, for whom they are so attached. And linguistic restraint, sit down. You
00:31:52want to divorce and you are showing your status as baseless, tell them,
00:31:56any panelist, talk about their party. If you talk like this, you will have to answer.
00:31:59And if you answer, we won't feel good either, and you won't feel good either, that sitting
00:32:03on a national channel, someone Rohit Ji, I have muted your voice,
00:32:07that's why and I have muted everyone else's voice.
00:32:10Only Dharmendra Singh Ji's voice is going through, so others
00:32:14should not try to speak.
00:32:45Let's go, brother. They don't believe in the constitution. Their leader had said earlier that they want more than
00:32:49400 seats, so they want to change the constitution. And the people who used to talk about religion
00:32:52stole donations. They stole donations. They not only stole from the construction
00:32:56of crores of Sanatanis, they stole from the buying and selling of land,
00:32:59they continuously stole from the donations coming in, and after that, the people
00:33:03who say they will make things clear, they neither made it clear nor
00:33:07did they clarify it. They wrapped it up
00:33:10they wrapped it up and finished it. This is the character of the Bharatiya
00:33:14Janata Party. They were saying about Dalits. They are talking about Dalits,
00:33:18who are against Dalit reservation. Honorable Mohan Bhagwat Ji
00:33:22said that the time has come for a review. Those who were historically backward
00:33:26were not dependent on anyone's mercy. Who was talking about their reservation?
00:33:29Who wants to abolish reservation? They are giving us knowledge that they are against Dalits.
00:33:33Oh, the talk of Brahmins, the talk of Janeshwar Mishra Ji, is not happening for the first time today.
00:33:37He was our supreme leader. We used to call him Chhote Lohia and
00:33:41we celebrate it grandly every year. We celebrate Janeshwar Mishra Ji's birth anniversary. The Bharatiya Janata Party does not
00:33:45celebrate it. And after that, Janeshwar Mishra Park, such a grand construction
00:33:48was done. Our socialist symbol JP Anasi, which they have closed.
00:33:52So we are continuously on that track. As far as Brahmins are concerned,
00:33:55on which you commented. As far as the definition of PDA is concerned,
00:33:59Brahmins have always been revered by us, always respected,
00:34:02always guided us, and we hope they will continue to do so.
00:34:06You saw it in 2022 too. Okay, we lost the election. We remained
00:34:10the main opposition party. The seats increased. After 2017, in all the subsequent elections,
00:34:14the seats increased. And in 2024, they got their answer.
00:34:17The great people of Uttar Pradesh saw where they were sent,
00:34:20and in the coming time too, they will move forward
00:34:24with all sections of society. Just to say this, now in PDA, P also means Pandit, P also
00:34:27means backward. So what is the objection to anyone? P, D
00:34:31also means Dalit, A also means minority, L also means tribal,
00:34:35A also means half the population. So what is the problem with anyone?
00:34:38Okay, okay, actually, the problem is that
00:34:41along with that, when things keep changing definitions, these people say that they keep changing
00:34:45it with opportunities. We will connect you again, meaning we will come to this. Now
00:34:49Dharmendra Ji, Dr. Kaushalkant Mishra, we will come
00:34:53to you, we will take your answer, but viewers, please
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00:37:26Welcome back after the break and we are discussing the politics of Uttar Pradesh where
00:37:30the nomenclature of PDA seems to be changing
00:37:33and the meaning of P has been given a new nomenclature by Akhilesh Yadav.
00:37:37P means not backward, P means Pandit. And our discussion
00:37:41on this continues. Dr. Kaushalkant Mishra, before we went on
00:37:44break, you wanted to answer. In fact, you will have to answer the many
00:37:48allegations you made. They are saying that you are accused of stealing donations
00:37:52for the Ram Mandir. Look, once again, you have been accused, so
00:37:56will you answer that? And also, if, as
00:38:00Dharmendra Singh is saying, if P has multiple
00:38:03definitions, if P means backward, P means Pandit,
00:38:07P means oppressed, then what's the problem
00:38:11for you? Nothing, no problem Nikhil ji, that's why we say
00:38:14electoral chameleons keep changing colors, nothing else.
00:38:18Now, let's talk about the main issue. First of all, the
00:38:21allegation he made, they play politics of religion. Nikhil ji,
00:38:25that's why we proudly say that anyone who steals donations is a criminal and should
00:38:29go to jail. If anyone has illegal construction, a bulldozer
00:38:32should be run on it. Only someone playing politics of religion can say this.
00:38:36The one who stole in Ram's temple is a criminal.
00:38:40No criminal more vile than him can be born in India or the world.
00:38:43This is what they say. Now let's
00:38:47talk about it. My friend was talking about Dalit love.
00:38:50Such was their love for Dalits that the only female Dalit leader
00:38:54of India, if we leave out Ramabai,
00:38:57if we leave out the pre-independence era, Mayawati became a big Dalit leader.
00:39:01They would have killed her if BJP's Brahmadev Ji had not reached there.
00:39:04This was Dalit love. This was Dalit love
00:39:08that they abolished reservation in promotion in Uttar
00:39:11Pradesh. This was Dalit love. This was Dalit love
00:39:15that they tried to reduce Dalit reservation in Uttar Pradesh.
00:39:18The SC/ST Act of Dalits, when Mulayam
00:39:22Ji's government was there, they diluted it and worked to abolish it. And they talk about Dalit love.
00:39:26Dalit was that there used to be a Chhatrapati Sahu Ji Maharaj
00:39:30Nagar. Yes, today's Amethi. Mayawati Ji
00:39:34had done it. Kanpur Dehat was made Ramabai Nagar. They changed it.
00:39:38Bhim Nagar was made, Prabuddha Nagar was made, Panchsheel Nagar
00:39:41was made. They changed all those names. This is their Dalit love. Dalit
00:39:45love has ended. No matter how much Mayawati Ji
00:39:48tries, she is not going with them. That's why they have fallen into the lap of Pandit.
00:39:51You have to understand this. Why do they only and only do vote
00:39:55bank politics? In the country, the percentage of Brahmins
00:39:59is 12 to 14%.
00:40:02If there is a largest representation of a caste, it is Brahmins,
00:40:0512 to 14%. That's why that Brahmin who
00:40:08had become a prostitute, today he has become their vote bank. This
00:40:12is the Samajwadi Party. Their second vote bank is Muslims. In Uttar Pradesh,
00:40:1620% are Muslims. That's why this minority sits in their lap
00:40:20and they sit in its lap. Also know the percentage of Yadav,
00:40:23it is 8 to 9%. These are three big vote banks
00:40:27of castes, that's why they cannot rise above caste politics. And
00:40:31as for their love for Ram, do you remember
00:40:34what slogan was raised in Ayodhya?
00:40:37Neither Mathura
00:40:39nor Kashi, Avdhesh Paswan in Ayodhya.
00:40:43Whose politics are they doing? Caste politics. They are extreme
00:40:46casteists. They are extreme dividers of Hindus.
00:40:50By dividing Hindus and doing caste politics,
00:40:54by adding Muslims, they want to make the whole of Uttar Pradesh a gangster state again,
00:40:58from where today Uttar Pradesh has become the best state
00:41:01from a good state. It used to be a sick state in terms of economy. Today it has become the second
00:41:05largest economy in the country. Where pistols and bombs were made, today
00:41:08Brahmos are being made. They want to take it back to the same Uttar Pradesh. This is their
00:41:12politics because they are trying to divide in the name of caste.
00:41:15They only and only do caste politics
00:41:18and nothing else. Their slogans will not leave
00:41:21them.
00:41:23Our spokesperson from RLD is sitting here. Didn't their leader say,
00:41:27"A Samajwadi flag on the car, a goon sitting inside"? This is their
00:41:31character. Your slogans reflect your soul, your heart.
00:41:35Not the slogans of the Bharatiya Janata Party, Ram resides in their hearts.
00:41:39And we proudly say that we do politics of religion.
00:41:42Mistakes will happen, they will be corrected. But if these people do very big religious
00:41:46politics, they have become very big Brahminists, Hinduists, then tell us here
00:41:50whether a temple of Krishna should be built in Mathura
00:41:53or not. We proudly say, no, it will not be built by the court,
00:41:56we will bring a law and build it, but we will build a temple in Mathura. If you have the courage, say it here.
00:42:00Okay, okay, we will take an answer on this, but before that, I want Rohit
00:42:04Agarwal, I, in fact, Ramkripal sir,
00:42:08I will come to you too, but before
00:42:10that, I want Rohit Agarwal to address one point that
00:42:13there is an attempt to divide Hindus. How do you see the effect of that politics
00:42:17in your area, in Western Uttar Pradesh? And
00:42:21the SP spokesperson said that you were whatever you were because of the Samajwadi Party,
00:42:25so your very existence was because of them, so how will you do politics
00:42:28without them? I mean, in the coming
00:42:31politics, I am saying when the PDA
00:42:35equation is being changed, what will be your take on it? That's what
00:42:39I mean. Look, Nikhil ji, these new
00:42:42rainy season frogs who have emerged in politics, they have no knowledge of history.
00:42:46If you start from 1989, then their leader Mulayam Singh
00:42:50stabbed Chaudhary Ajit Singh in the back, he betrayed him.
00:42:54That's when the Samajwadi Party was
00:42:57formed. The spokesperson sitting here is the spokesperson of a party
00:43:01formed by betraying the Rashtriya Lok Dal. They don't even know
00:43:04that Chaudhary Charan Singh ji started his politics with the blessings of Mulayam Singh.
00:43:08They tell us that we are at their mercy.
00:43:11The one who started his politics
00:43:15at our mercy, Mulayam Singh, who saved
00:43:18his life, with whom they are in alliance today, Mulayam Singh ji
00:43:22begged at Chaudhary Charan Singh ji's feet to save his life
00:43:26from Congress, and then his life was saved, otherwise Congress would have killed him,
00:43:30would have gotten him murdered. These people should look back at the pages of history,
00:43:34then they will understand something. Now these illiterate people don't know anything. The hunger for power
00:43:37is so great, so much
00:43:40that they come and talk nonsense on TV. So the situation is completely
00:43:44clear that the party whose origin was at the mercy
00:43:47of the Rashtriya Lok Dal, if they talk to us like
00:43:51this, I think it will be like showing a torch to the sun.
00:43:55And they have to understand that we are an ideology-driven
00:43:58party. We are a party driven by the ideology of Chaudhary Charan Singh ji.
00:44:02Unlike you, we don't need to do politics in the name of caste. Unlike
00:44:06you, we don't need to incite riots in the name of religion,
00:44:10the way you used to try to form a government
00:44:13at the mercy of Mukhtar Ansari and Atiq Ahmed.
00:44:16Your leaders used to shake hands with their dogs on stage
00:44:20and after their death, your leaders were reading Fatiha at their graves.
00:44:24And after that, today you consider yourself worthy of talking
00:44:27to us. You have no existence and the public understands
00:44:31very well that the axe they were talking about, that they had installed an axe in 2022,
00:44:34first of all, Lord Parashuram worked to bring down that axe.
00:44:38And that axe they had installed could not withstand even a storm.
00:44:42A slight wind blew and the axe fell because Lord Parashuram
00:44:45had given a message to the entire Brahmin
00:44:49the axe to deceive. There is no Brahmin
00:44:53love in their hearts, there is no Dalit love,
00:44:56no backward love, no minority love in their hearts.
00:45:00In their hearts, there is only one love, and that is the hunger for power,
00:45:04the chair of power, which I think the public will not give them again.
00:45:08Okay, okay, let's take the answer. Dharmendra Singh ji, let's take the answer,
00:45:12after that I will go to Ramkripal ji. Dharmendra ji, this
00:45:15challenging question about Mathura and Kashi was asked, he said to answer it,
00:45:19so I want you to answer the BJP spokesperson and
00:45:22him too. Look, it is like this, as
00:45:26far as Mathura Kashi is concerned or Prabhu Shri Ram Mandir, Samajwadi
00:45:30Party has always said that the honorable court will decide, the whole
00:45:32country, the whole country accepted it. These people raise slogans for Prabhu Shri Ram
00:45:36that we will come, we will build it. What did they do? The path of Prabhu,
00:45:40the temple that was built, and the order of the Supreme Court was made. And the same goes for Mathura, whatever
00:45:44the court decides, the matter is sub-judice, the whole country
00:45:46will accept it. Foolish to become a manager just to steal donations,
00:45:50to become a manager and then an owner, that's something else. Secondly, our
00:45:54friend, the so-called wise Mulayam Singh ji's guru
00:45:57must have been him. Didn't he? Oh, your leader has changed parties many times, ask him.
00:46:01And the one who defeated him was no one else but the Bharatiya Janata Party. The Samajwadi
00:46:05Party, with whom did they not form an alliance?
00:46:08No.
00:46:40gave the explanation. We fought elections together. Now they are digging up that issue from the dustbin of history,
00:46:44because they have nothing to say for the future. Those who have nothing to do, they stir up the dust of history.
00:46:48This is their condition. Secondly, we are talking about 2022. The people
00:46:51whose names they are taking, it is because of them that they reached zero. Where did
00:46:55these people who are now integrated into the Uttar Pradesh government
00:46:59go? In 2022, they fought elections with us.
00:47:02And the ministers who are enjoying their posts in Rajya Sabha, through whose grace
00:47:06did they go? Don't they feel ashamed saying this? So the Bharatiya Janata Party
00:47:10defeated both their leaders, their current national president and the late
00:47:13Chaudhary Saheb, who was highly respected. Nikhil ji, those people are giving us knowledge.
00:47:17Sitting on our shoulders, they say that because of us,
00:47:20they went there and for their share of power, they are deceiving
00:47:24the people of Western Uttar Pradesh. They are giving us knowledge
00:47:28about whom to take along and whom not to. Oh, it's okay,
00:47:31we lost by a few votes in 2022. The roads that are collapsing,
00:47:35the bridges that are collapsing, a week ago, the Lucknow-Kanpur
00:47:39Expressway was inaugurated and then disappeared into a pit. If you have the ability to ask questions
00:47:42about that, then ask. Okay.
00:47:46तो पूछ लीजिए ठीक है
00:47:50government
00:47:52Yes,
00:47:58if the Samajwadi Party spokesperson really wants to tell something,
00:48:02then just tell us which party in the country the Samajwadi Party has not formed an alliance with.
00:48:06They even tried to form an alliance with the Bharatiya Janata Party
00:48:10and used their support to establish their party.
00:48:13And today, sitting here, they are giving all sorts of knowledge, saying that
00:48:17they brought some revolution. Sir, you haven't brought any revolution. The people
00:48:21of the country have rejected you.
00:48:56I also repeated it. Don't talk about each other in between. Rohit ji, speak quickly. Yes, we
00:48:59put a person on TV who doesn't know anything. Oh no, personal comments, he doesn't know anything. Oh, he
00:49:03doesn't know anything. Oh brother, Samajwadi Party, Bharatiya Janata
00:49:06Party, oh, you tried to come into government by forming an alliance with the Bharatiya Janata Party.
00:49:09Brother, this person doesn't know anything.
00:49:13Now tell me, the situation has become such that the Samajwadi Party spokesperson
00:49:17is openly lying that we never formed an alliance with the Bharatiya Janata Party. So,
00:49:21brother, if you didn't form an alliance with the Bharatiya Janata Party, then who did
00:49:24in 1992 to form a government
00:49:28in Uttar Pradesh? Alliance. Look, this is extremely unfortunate. The Samajwadi Party
00:49:31spokesperson only wants to spread lies and doesn't want to answer any questions.
00:49:35I asked him a pointed question about reservation.
00:49:39Why did you oppose reservation in promotion? He has no answer for that.
00:49:42To name Janeshwar Mishra Park, why did you change the name of Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar Park
00:49:46to Janeshwar Park? He has no answer for this.
00:49:50They have no
00:50:22debates every day, what was today's topic?
00:50:26My point is that I don't see any discussion
00:50:30on that topic. Actually, discussions happen
00:50:33according to convenience, sir. Whatever the topic,
00:50:36and many times I also try to bring it
00:50:40there. Yes, my point is that
00:50:44this discussion is not for writing essays on all the parties
00:50:47in India. What was the event of the day?
00:50:51The event of the day was that Akhilesh
00:50:55called P Pandit. The debate should be on that. Yes, absolutely.
00:50:59Here, and I am saying this with great humility,
00:51:02that this bickering will neither increase anyone's votes
00:51:05nor decrease anyone's. This
00:51:09misconception should have been cleared a long time ago
00:51:12that political parties create narratives.
00:51:16Political parties do not create narratives, the public creates them.
00:51:20Yes, you can see an example of this.
00:51:23Voters don't meet because leaders meet.
00:51:26In 2019, Akhilesh and Mayawati came together on one platform,
00:51:29but Dalits and backward
00:51:33Yadav people did not unite.
00:51:37There should be no misconception that our bickering will increase
00:51:40anyone's votes. I want to say
00:51:43one thing, brother, Dharmendra ji said a sentence,
00:51:47I don't know if he was conscious or just said it. He said when
00:51:51society goes astray, gets confused,
00:51:54society never goes astray or gets confused.
00:51:58This politics
00:52:00can go astray or get confused.
00:52:04It happens, and from time to time, the public
00:52:08is certainly innocent. Many times, then
00:52:11when the next opportunity comes, they take it.
00:52:15Look, many people give the example of 2024,
00:52:19but before 24, there was 14 and 19 too.
00:52:22At that time, the Samajwadi Party got
00:52:25only five seats in Lok Sabha.
00:52:28Five in 14 and five in 19,
00:52:31meaning in 10 years, the people of this country elected
00:52:35the family of the Samajwadi Party, but did not vote
00:52:39for the party. Yes, so we should not
00:52:42forget that, okay, in 2014,
00:52:46many things happened, but what I say
00:52:49is that look, a lot of change has happened.
00:52:52After the demolition of Babri Masjid in 1900,
00:52:56the minorities of this country held Congress equally
00:53:00responsible as BJP. That's why
00:53:04all those vote banks went to Mulayam,
00:53:07to Mayawati, to Mamata,
00:53:11to Lalu Yadav, to so and so.
00:53:15But in Karnataka in the last election,
00:53:18when they left Deve Gowda and returned to Congress,
00:53:21they hoped that Congress might become
00:53:25a national alternative, but when Congress
00:53:28kept getting defeated like that,
00:53:32then the young generation of Muslims
00:53:35started considering Owaisi as their leader. This
00:53:38is a definite fact. Yes, and wherever Owaisi went to elections,
00:53:42a large section is going towards Owaisi.
00:53:45So now the ground reality is changing
00:53:49a lot in Uttar Pradesh. We are fine, I
00:53:52believe that everyone, Mayawati also,
00:53:56it's nothing new. Do you remember the slogan, Brahmins will blow the conch,
00:53:59the elephant will keep walking? This has happened in Uttar Pradesh.
00:54:03It's not that for the first time someone is calling
00:54:07a Pandit, P is Pandit, and we will keep that in mind.
00:54:10Mayawati has tried this, her parties have done it.
00:54:14My point is that many things have changed.
00:54:18You people should look at the future. Every political party
00:54:21will woo vote banks, will consolidate vote banks,
00:54:24but we should not forget that it is the same
00:54:28Congress party that is now saying that
00:54:31regional parties have no future. Okay.
00:54:35Join. Yes, so you see that the vote bank
00:54:39of the one you are going with tomorrow is also the same,
00:54:42which is what they are looking for, that Brahmins should come
00:54:45to us, Dalits should come to us, and Muslims
00:54:49should come to us, because its traditional
00:54:53leader, that is, leadership and strength, its strength
00:54:56is also the same, on whom you depend. One thing,
00:55:00sir, one more thing, sir, I wanted to know, actually, in this whole debate, that
00:55:04P for Pandit, P for backward, or P for what? Actually,
00:55:07the politics of development is falling behind. Why is this not being debated?
00:55:11I, I wanted to know this from you. On this
00:55:15point, I was going to say was,
00:55:17see the politics of development is not going backwards,
00:55:21leaders do not want to talk about it, the public will vote
00:55:25for development, what has happened in Bihar
00:55:28in the way I have just discussed
00:55:31the Lok Sabha, any parties
00:55:36that try to stop women's reservation in this
00:55:39house, you can be sure that
00:55:42they will be considered enemies of women,
00:55:46and this has been a very big factor, that
00:55:49last time, the way the government was defeated
00:55:52on women's reservation by these people,
00:55:56after that, the elections in Bengal and
00:55:59Bihar have had a very big impact, I am telling
00:56:03you, this
00:56:05is not about development and facilities,
00:56:09this is about empowerment. Today, a woman who
00:56:13was being driven out of her house, today if she
00:56:16has an account in her name, a house in her name,
00:56:19a cylinder in her name, then she says, this house
00:56:23is mine, not her husband's, okay, so whoever
00:56:27becomes an obstacle in the way of
00:56:30this women's empowerment, I think the public will not forgive them,
00:56:34okay, I want to take comments in 10-20 seconds quickly
00:56:37on what Ram Kripal ji has said, Dr.
00:56:41Kaushal Kant, how big an issue is development going
00:56:45to be, will elections be based on caste
00:56:47or will you also talk about development? The
00:56:51truth is that it should be on development, but the way
00:56:55the opposition is doing politics, development will be left behind
00:56:59and many other issues will come forward, Nikhil ji,
00:57:01the biggest thing is that the PDA of the Samajwadi
00:57:05Party, which they are trying to explain as P from Pandit,
00:57:09its real form is Parivar Development Alliance, the reason
00:57:13why I am telling you is that Ram Kripal ji said that
00:57:17five won in 2014, five won in 2019, those
00:57:19five were from one family, and that family was not backward,
00:57:23Dharmendra ji, you also listen, the five who won, those
00:57:27five were not OBCs, they were all creamy layer forwards,
00:57:31so they only take votes in the name of backwards,
00:57:35they nourish one family, that's why your real full form
00:57:38is Parivar Development Alliance, and that's why it has been
00:57:41rightly said about you that cashews are roasted in the plate,
00:57:45whisky in the glass, you are pure socialists in white
00:57:49clothes, thank you very much to all of you. That's all for this discussion,
00:57:53Dr. Kaushal Kant Mishra, Dharmendra Singh, Rohit
00:57:54Aggarwal and Ram Kripal ji, many
00:57:57thanks. So, that's all for today's Panchayat of Five,
00:58:01but before we leave you, let us share a breaking
00:58:04news with you. The Chief Minister of Mizoram today
00:58:08held an important meeting with the Union Home Minister
00:58:12regarding the proposed Foreign Contribution Regulation Act
00:58:15(FCRA) bill. In the meeting, the Chief Minister
00:58:18apprised the Home Minister of the state's concerns
00:58:22and suggestions. After the meeting, the Chief Minister
00:58:25of Mizoram said that the Home Minister has shown a
00:58:29positive attitude on the issues raised by the state.
00:58:33According to the Chief Minister, the Home Minister
00:58:36has also assured that no case will be registered
00:58:40against anyone on a retrospective basis under the proposed
00:58:43provisions. So, the Chief Minister of Mizoram has met
01:00:17the Home Minister in the entire context of the FCRA
01:00:21law, and what else? The institutions that are already
01:00:25running will not be subject to this. In the coming
01:00:28time, if any institution receives funding from abroad
01:00:31and misuses that funding, and after misusing it,
01:00:34if the registration of that institution is cancelled,
01:00:38then the government can seize those assets, especially
01:00:41for their seizure, an