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00:00:00You too, in this way, with a variety
00:00:04of handloom, can
00:00:08the police had to lathi-charge certainly put your point across to the world by making
00:00:11a GRWM video. You can motivate
00:00:15people for handloom. Our
00:00:17work
00:00:19is to make our small, poor families economically prosperous
00:00:23to make an Atmanirbhar Bharat. Let's
00:00:27buy something from handloom
00:00:30ourselves, make a video
00:00:34of it, and promote
00:00:38that video in the country and the world
00:00:42so that the world
00:00:44also gets acquainted with the capabilities
00:00:48of our weaver brothers and sisters. Come, August 7th is Handloom
00:00:53Be careful Day. Many
00:00:56congratulations, friends. We must not
00:01:02This is necessary to save the country. forget 1905. On August 7th,
00:01:061905, the Swadeshi movement for the country's freedom
00:01:09began. The foundation
00:01:12of self-reliant India
00:01:16was laid. Against
00:01:18the British, the countrymen fought a very big battle.
00:01:21Everyone
00:01:24on that stage with the 'tukde-tukde gang' joined. Last week,
00:01:27all of you celebrated Friendship Day.
00:01:31Today I urge that August 7th is Handloom
00:01:35Day. We have to celebrate
00:01:38Handloom Day with the same enthusiasm
00:01:41and zeal. And celebrating
00:01:44Handloom Day means that every
00:01:47poor family,
00:01:50said that if someone posts who makes clothes with their own hands on small looms at home, and
00:01:54there are new varieties,
00:01:56you see, what isn't there? And
00:02:02you too, in this way, with a variety
00:02:06of handloom,
00:02:09stand and asked for an apology. can certainly put your point across to the world
00:02:11by making
00:02:13a GRWM video. You can inspire
00:02:16people for handloom.
00:02:19Our
00:02:22work is to make our small, poor families economically prosperous
00:02:25to make an Atmanirbhar Bharat. 1905
00:03:00August we must not forget.
00:03:04On August 7,
00:03:071905, the Swadeshi movement for the country's independence
00:03:11began. And
00:03:14the foundation of self-reliant
00:03:17India was laid. Against
00:03:21the British, the countrymen
00:03:24and to run the same campaign fought a very big battle. People
00:03:26joined. Last week, all of you
00:03:35what foreign companies
00:03:48even if for 5 hours,
00:04:00have new varieties, you see, what isn't there?
00:04:04it is stopped. And you too, in this way,
00:04:07with a variety of handloom,
00:04:10can
00:04:13certainly put your point across to the world by making
00:04:17a GRWM video. You can inspire
00:04:20people for handloom.
00:04:23Our
00:04:25work is to make our small, poor families economically prosperous
00:04:29to make an Atmanirbhar Bharat. Let's
00:04:32buy something from handloom
00:04:36Modi ji's post was removed for a few minutes, ourselves, make
00:04:39a video
00:04:40of it,
00:04:43have been continuously communicating and promote that video
00:04:46in the country and the world so
00:04:49that the world
00:04:52With Nehru, also gets acquainted with the capabilities
00:04:55with Indira Gandhi, with Rajiv of our weaver brothers and sisters. Come, August 7th
00:04:57is
00:05:12Super Hing. Those who have used it know the taste
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00:05:20tadka of purity, real spices, MDH.
00:05:23MDH has done new work at home.
00:05:27The educated, smart daughter-in-law has come.
00:05:31Mommy ji, you are smart. You have brought two
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00:05:39It's PM Surya
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00:05:46Solar is also the Lakshmi of the house. It makes the electricity bill zero.
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00:08:10Namaste, you are watching Do Took on DD News. I am Ashok
00:08:13Srivastava. The mobile phone in your hand
00:08:17is a very big power. You and the whole world
00:08:20have realized this a long time ago.
00:08:24But on the social
00:08:27media platforms inside
00:08:30your mobile, on those social media platforms,
00:08:34do you see what
00:08:36you want to
00:08:39see or
00:08:42are you actually shown
00:08:48sitting outside
00:08:50India decide?
00:08:54That means the phone is yours,
00:08:57the data is yours, and
00:09:01the social media app is your
00:09:04platform. But what are you seeing on that platform?
00:09:07Is this being decided
00:09:11by someone sitting in some corner
00:09:14of the world outside India? This is a very
00:09:18big and very deep question. If you are
00:09:22under the misconception that you decide
00:09:26what you will see, if you are under
00:09:30the misconception that you want to see only
00:09:32what you want, then
00:09:34open your eyes. Actually,
00:09:38you follow some social media handles, you want to see some things.
00:09:43But you are being shown
00:09:46what someone else is deciding. And I am
00:09:50not saying this myself. The companies
00:09:53that run these
00:09:56big platforms, the ones who run
00:10:00them, the ones who operate them, have in a way
00:10:03accepted this. You see,
00:10:07there was a protest at Jantar Mantar just now,
00:10:10a very big protest. And on the 20th,
00:10:14that is, on July 20th, when
00:10:17the protesters at Jantar Mantar were moving towards Parliament,
00:10:21they had reached within 500 meters of Parliament,
00:10:25and the situation was very bad. At that time, they had broken through the police barricades
00:10:29and moved forward. So
00:10:33to disperse that crowd and to secure Parliament.
00:10:37The police lathi-charged. Some innocent students
00:10:41also became its target.
00:10:44But on the other hand,
00:10:47the protesters or the wrong elements among the students
00:10:51pelted stones at the police, vandalized the police,
00:10:56severely injured the police. This
00:10:59is a two-sided story, it's not a one-sided story.
00:11:02But remember and go back
00:11:06a little in flashback, you will understand
00:11:10that on the 20th, on the 20th, 21st, 22nd,
00:11:13suddenly all those videos,
00:11:17all those links, all those things
00:11:21were coming on your mobile phone,
00:11:25which were proving that what happened at Jantar
00:11:28Mantar, what happened outside Parliament, in that
00:11:32only students were beaten, and the protesters
00:11:35did nothing, they were very innocent and very naive people.
00:11:39This must have happened to you. But
00:11:43after four or five days, videos from both sides
00:11:46started coming into the public, from both sides, which also showed
00:11:50that students were also beating. On the other hand, we were also
00:11:53seeing, on the other hand, the protesters
00:11:57were pelting stones at the police, breaking police vehicles,
00:12:00the red lights that were installed,
00:12:03the CCTV cameras that were installed, they were breaking them and taking them home.
00:12:07This also happened. You saw both pictures after four or five days,
00:12:11and also that the videos
00:12:14of abusing Prime Minister Narendra Modi,
00:12:18the vulgar and obscene media, which you probably
00:12:21would never want to see at home, suddenly
00:12:25started popping up on your social media
00:12:27handle. Suddenly they started popping
00:12:31up, and then you must have felt
00:12:35that the entire youth of the country has become abusive,
00:12:39the students of the entire country have come out on the streets,
00:12:42and the police in the entire country have become
00:12:45the enemy of the students. You must have felt that way.
00:12:48But do you know, do you have any idea
00:12:52that there is actually a thing called an algorithm
00:12:55or a monster called an algorithm, which had hacked your mind
00:12:59at that time? Yes, the algorithm
00:13:02had hacked your mind. You were constantly
00:13:05being shown one-sided, one type
00:13:09of things, and by showing
00:13:12and showing, your mind had been hacked. And
00:13:16again I am saying, I am not saying this.
00:13:20The companies that run these social media handles
00:13:23have accepted that what happened
00:13:26in India, from Jantar Mantar to abusing
00:13:30the Prime Minister, all this content,
00:13:33someone paid money for this content,
00:13:37and these companies, the Meta company, accepted it.
00:13:40Its officials accepted that they
00:13:43boosted all this content by taking money
00:13:47from a third party and delivered it
00:13:51to your mobile phone. Now, how big is this game?
00:13:55And this game was caught because
00:13:58Meta, the same Meta that runs your WhatsApp,
00:14:01your Facebook, and your
00:14:05Instagram and Threads, when that Meta company
00:14:08restricted the social media post
00:14:12of the Prime Minister of India
00:14:15on Facebook, when it put a stop to
00:14:19it, then it was found that what is happening? On one hand,
00:14:22the Prime Minister's post in India, the Prime Minister's
00:14:26post is restricted,
00:14:29On the other hand, posts that abuse the Prime Minister,
00:14:33posts that say obscene things to him, are boosted
00:14:37by taking money. And when the Prime Minister's
00:14:40posts were stopped, then the Indian government's eyes opened,
00:14:44their ears perked up, and Meta was called.
00:14:48Meta was summoned. And
00:14:50Meta has apologized to Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
00:14:53But for the last two days,
00:14:57the parliamentary committee
00:15:00on IT sector in India,
00:15:03and also the IT ministry and the government
00:15:08with Meta officials. And the news
00:15:12is that all the Meta officials who have come
00:15:15to India have been given a dressing down
00:15:18and they have admitted that they have
00:15:22played this game in India, they have played this game
00:15:25by taking money. So today this
00:15:29question is before us: was the gathering at Jantar Mantar really a gathering
00:15:33of students or was it some game of algorithms?
00:15:35It is very important to raise this question directly today,
00:15:39because remember, before this,
00:15:42what happened in India, because India is a democratic
00:15:46country, but for the last five, six, seven
00:15:50years, social media companies in many countries
00:15:53have launched their campaign of regime change.
00:15:57Regime change has happened in many countries, only
00:16:01because social media has amplified
00:16:05the entire campaign of regime change.
00:16:08Were social media platforms trying to do this
00:16:12in India as well? And will they try to do this
00:16:16in the coming days as well? Or will the Indian government
00:16:20show these companies their place and will these companies
00:16:23not dare to do any such work
00:16:26in India? Will the Indian government make a way for this?
00:16:30Will a red line be drawn? Will the reins of these
00:16:33runaway companies be tightened? Today, all these questions
00:16:37are before us. We will discuss all these questions directly.
00:16:41Is the Jantar Mantar gathering a game of algorithms? We will discuss this.
00:16:45Before that, listen to what is being said about it. Listen.
00:17:05This is a victory for the Constitution of India.
00:17:08This is a victory for the Parliament of India. And
00:17:11this shows the strength of the Honorable Prime Minister
00:17:14who leads 140 crore people that whoever wants to do business
00:17:18in India will have to obey the laws of India.
00:17:22They have shadow-banned all our leaders. When
00:17:25nonsensical things are run against us,
00:17:29Meta does not have to be summoned. Meta has been summoned.
00:17:31The rules for the Prime Minister are separate,
00:17:35and for us, they are separate. Why?
00:17:41We ourselves, Nishikant Ji, who is our chairman, took a very strong
00:17:46And along with that, we had also expressed concern
00:17:50that anti-nationals are propagated in such a way and
00:17:53are promoted in such a way. We had also expressed concern about that.
00:17:57So we are very happy
00:18:01that they have admitted their mistakes and in the future
00:18:05also, the way our national security is being threatened
00:18:08by these terrorist forces, we expect to get relief
00:18:12from that too. Nishikant Dubey said absolutely right, because when you spread
00:18:16wrong information, which harms the image
00:18:19and reputation of the country, the image and reputation
00:18:23of democracy, internationally,
00:18:27then it is necessary to refute it, and Meta will
00:18:30have to answer. Any organization that
00:18:34harms the tradition of India and the constitution of India
00:18:37and the parliament of India, they should apologize.
00:18:40Big
00:18:44companies say that we will come to India,
00:18:48we will enjoy the benefits of the Indian market, but we will not follow the law,
00:18:52and we will violate
00:18:55the law. When it happened in the end,
00:18:58no problem, we will say sorry. Look, saying sorry
00:19:02or apologizing doesn't work. Legal
00:19:05procedures are different.
00:19:37They have admitted that their algorithm has
00:19:40some glitches. This they have admitted. Now, news is coming that these Meta
00:19:44officials will stay in India for a few more days, and
00:19:48during this, the IT
00:19:52sector secretaries of India
00:19:55will have continuous discussions with these companies.
00:19:59We will discuss all this. Five guests will be in today's debate.
00:20:02Let me introduce them. Charu Pragya has joined me. She is the spokesperson
00:20:06of BJP, Charu Pragya ji. Show the guests on
00:20:09the screen. Charu Pragya ji has joined me. Sanjeev Kaushik
00:20:12has joined me. Sanjeev Kaushik is a political analyst, a supporter
00:20:16of the Congress party. Vandana Sinha has joined me. She is the spokesperson
00:20:19of Aam Aadmi Party. Nirva
00:20:23Mehta has joined me. She is the Editor-in-Chief of The Pamphlet.
00:20:26We will also discuss why the pamphlet is in discussion
00:20:29these days. And Suresh Nakhwa ji is with me.
00:20:33He is a political analyst, and also Suresh Nakhwa
00:20:37ji is an IT expert. Thank you all.
00:20:40Welcome. I am starting with Charu Pragya ji and Sanjeev
00:20:44Kaushik ji. I am giving you both one and a half minutes each. After that,
00:20:47I will start today's debate. I will take
00:20:51the debate forward. Charu Pragya ji,
00:20:54some people are saying that the government is trying
00:20:57to impose censorship, that by calling these companies,
00:21:01by drilling them down, the government is
00:21:04trying to control social media censorship.
00:21:07Speak. Ashok
00:21:10ji, Namaste. See, in simple
00:21:14language, I want to explain one thing. For a very long
00:21:18time, these big tech companies,
00:21:20these foreign tech companies, they earn money
00:21:23like publishers, but they hide
00:21:27behind the guise of being intermediaries, saying that
00:21:30they have no responsibility. The users,
00:21:34like you, like me, like
00:21:38Sanjeev ji, the users are responsible for
00:21:41what they post on their pages. But if these posts are made on your
00:21:45platform and these posts contain criminal
00:21:49elements, these posts contain lies, these posts
00:21:53contain pornography, if these posts contain something
00:21:57that can incite riots, that can spread lies, then
00:22:00these tech giants will also have to take responsibility.
00:22:03And that is why IT rules were implemented
00:22:07in our country. At the time of implementing IT rules, some things
00:22:11became clear. An officer of these companies will always
00:22:15be stationed in our country. If any problem arises,
00:22:18that post will be taken down within 24 hours. And this
00:22:21time also, the discussion is on big issues, Ashok ji.
00:22:25It would be in the national interest if it is not made political.
00:22:29And I will tell you how. The biggest
00:22:32issue is child sexual abuse material. And regarding
00:22:36this, our government asked questions. Our government
00:22:40such things, and pays your platform to amplify
00:22:44that content, how can you amplify or show
00:22:48it to other people? It was asked that if you know
00:22:51that a video is made with AI, which is fake, which is a deepfake video,
00:22:55if you do not regulate it and someone is spreading it
00:22:59among the public by paying money, then you cannot hide
00:23:03behind its excuse. So who makes this algorithm? Who decides
00:23:06what we consume? And where does its responsibility lie?
00:23:10This time, when we asked these tough questions,
00:23:13Meta came forward and apologized. This clearly
00:23:17shows that the path the government was on,
00:23:21the laws the government made, were absolutely correct and they should
00:23:25be strict in this way. Okay, I didn't stop you when your time
00:23:28was up, because I was just talking about technical things, Ashok ji.
00:23:32Absolutely, absolutely. I didn't stop you because I thought
00:23:35these are things that the public should understand, so I didn't stop
00:23:39this matter. And it's true that child pornography
00:23:42is boosted on platforms like Insta,
00:23:46it is shown. That is not acceptable. There are many things,
00:23:50but Sanjeev Kaushik, see, there is a need
00:23:54to fix some accountability for these companies. Now Meta
00:23:58itself has admitted that certain
00:24:01content was boosted
00:24:04by taking money. So in India, if you take
00:24:08money from anywhere, from any corner of the world, from Pakistan,
00:24:12from Turkey, from China, and content of their
00:24:15choice is boosted in India,
00:24:18then regarding this, I think
00:24:22everyone should support the step taken by the government,
00:24:26rising above their political boundaries. Do you agree
00:24:28with this? Ashok ji, first of all,
00:24:31we are a sovereign nation, and if Meta deletes
00:24:34any video of our Indian Prime Minister,
00:24:38it will have to answer for it,
00:24:41and the Indian government should grab it by the collar
00:24:45and drag it and ask it
00:24:48how dare it delete the video of the country's Prime Minister.
00:24:52But let's move beyond this.
00:24:55Let's start from when social media was rising.
00:24:59You will have to talk about it from its rise
00:25:02to its destruction. Something starts in 2004,
00:25:06after 2010, Facebook, Twitter and something
00:25:10else starts, and after 2014, all this chaos starts.
00:25:13You tell us if the government of the country
00:25:16is so incompetent that it cannot decide
00:25:20who the person sitting on social media is who is abusing someone
00:25:24else, saying bad words about someone else. Does the government not have
00:25:27any regularity, any authority to decide who this person is? Actually,
00:25:30the people who were causing such a ruckus in support of the government
00:25:33on social media, now you see this backfiring,
00:25:37so you are understanding all these things.
00:25:42with Nehru's daughter, with Nehru's sister,
00:25:45Gandhi, with Rahul's sister, who were all those people?
00:25:49Did you ever try to identify
00:25:52who these people were? No, there are around 50
00:25:56crore active social media users in India.
00:25:59Is there any verification or data with the Indian government
00:26:03about how many of them are fake and how many
00:26:06are genuinely using their original IDs?
00:26:10The government has deliberately created a large army
00:26:13of such fake people who appeared to be overpowering
00:26:17opposition parties. For the last 10-12 years,
00:26:20a caucus has been formed against opposition parties
00:26:24and efforts have been made to defame them. Did anyone ever
00:26:27think about it? Did anyone ever ask a question? And
00:26:31big ministers,
00:27:02The truth is that I think Sanjeev ji did not understand some core
00:27:06things that I was explaining to him. See, first, you differentiate.
00:27:09Make a distinction. There is a big difference
00:27:12between surveillance and a tech giant, a company, telling
00:27:16us what you and I will see. And we come back to the issue,
00:27:20Ashok ji. And this time, please give me a little extra time
00:27:23to respond to politics as well. The issue is very big
00:27:27and understand this that if riots are going to happen
00:27:31somewhere in our country and someone has made
00:27:34a wrong video using AI, using deepfake,
00:27:37and you are spreading lies, Sanjeev ji, don't interrupt me.
00:27:41Let me explain the issue. The public is intelligent
00:27:45and will make its own decision. If someone has made
00:27:48such a fake video, Ashok ji, then can I just throw
00:27:52money at Meta just because I have money
00:27:56in my pocket? Does Meta have no responsibility in spreading this lie?
00:27:59Now, if our country burns because of the result of this lie,
00:28:03whose responsibility is it? Because if you take money, then you are not an intermediary.
00:28:07You are an intermediary only until you don't take money.
00:28:11The moment you start making decisions for us by taking money, you become
00:28:14a publisher. When you start censoring,
00:28:18you become a publisher. This is the first point. The second point,
00:28:22if you look at it from a little distance from political angles,
00:28:25you will understand that the government has given such a big gift
00:28:29of safeguard to the public, which did not exist until now.
00:28:33Now, coming to political issues, you are talking
00:28:37here that your voice is suppressed. On one hand, your social media
00:28:40people shout and say, "Look, our Rahul ji has so many
00:28:44likes, you don't get likes." Then you don't understand this difference,
00:28:48then you show this comparison in a wrong way. And
00:28:51secondly, you also don't understand
00:28:54the difference that I will ask the same question again,
00:28:58what I see on my Instagram, will I decide that,
00:29:01or will the one who is paying
00:29:05Meta decide that, and is making us consume
00:29:08wrong content? If today the youth of our country are consuming
00:29:12pornographic content because it has come before them through push marketing,
00:29:16if a child's photo has been morphed,
00:29:20and I am not saying this content only for adults, I am saying it for children
00:29:24because it doesn't have parental filters built in, then where does its responsibility
00:29:28lie? And if you want to get into politics, Sanjeev ji,
00:29:31then what can I say to you? No, I will exactly listen.
00:29:35Look, it's like this, before we proceed, I'm a big Prime Minister. how dare anyone remove the video of
00:29:39our Prime Minister? How can we take a decision that
00:29:42our Prime Minister,
00:29:47one minute, let me make it very clear, look, we are not China, although in India
00:29:50today many people like China a lot, they invoke China, but
00:29:54India is not China, where they ban all platforms, saying
00:29:58that you won't get newspapers, you won't get anything, whatever the government says
00:30:01will be shown here. Even on government TV, as they call it, even there
00:30:05we allow people to criticize the government, so this is not China. First of all,
00:30:08that we ban, but yes, those
00:30:12social media accounts, those social media
00:30:16companies, should be regulated. They should be,
00:30:20and it is the government's responsibility because
00:30:23it is about 140 crore people. And I am saying again, you can look it up.
00:30:27Let me tell you my example. Okay, let me first tell you my
00:30:30example. Look, then you will feel what.
00:30:32Look, I am telling you, what happened with me.
00:30:36Look, I made a tweet. Look at the game these
00:30:40companies are playing. I had made a tweet. Four
00:30:43days, this, this a week ago I had
00:30:47tweeted. You can mislead the youth by lying, by giving fake speeches, by making fake
00:30:50reels, that the police broke their own vehicles, but God
00:30:54is watching everything. The CCTV camera exposed the leaders of the
00:30:58CGP who gave speeches and the liars.
00:31:01This is my tweet from last week. Do you know what its English
00:31:05translation was? Its translation was
00:31:09that the CJP who gave false speeches was changed to BJP.
00:31:12This happened with my tweet. Now you
00:31:16think that such a big game is being played with a journalist's
00:31:19tweet. The name of the person I am writing about, whose name I am writing, is being changed.
00:31:23So you think what kind of dirty
00:31:27game these companies want to play in India. And let me also tell
00:31:30you, this deep fake that is, the 2024
00:31:34election, half of the election, was fought on
00:31:37a deep fake video of Amit Shah saying that
00:31:41Amit Shah said that he would abolish
00:31:45reservations, which was not true. That deep fake
00:31:49video was boosted on Instagram,
00:31:52on every social media handle, on WhatsApp,
00:31:56and more than half of the Indian public felt that
00:31:59Amit Shah had said that our government, one minute, let me finish,
00:32:03if our government comes, we will abolish
00:32:06reservations, and that affected the election. So I am saying
00:32:09that it is necessary to draw a red line for these companies,
00:32:13to fix their accountability.
00:32:17Whatever political line you want to take is a different matter. Speak.
00:32:21I will go. One
00:32:24minute.
00:32:27Speak, speak, Sanjeev ji, I said that
00:32:30not even half of it is true. What you are saying, in one line
00:32:34we are only saying that from 2014 to now, 2026, whose governments are they?
00:32:37Has any authority, has the government
00:32:41not been able to develop any such thing? Who are you blaming?
00:32:44Okay, I understood your point. You are saying this. Okay,
00:32:48what you are saying is that after 2014, it's your government, you did it, absolutely right.
00:32:52This question is valid, absolutely valid. I stand with you on this, what was happening
00:32:56since 2014? If the government has woken up late, then tighten their
00:32:59screws so much that they don't do this in India again.
00:33:03Sanjeev Kaushik is also saying this, so Charu ji, you should listen, Ashok ji,
00:33:07out of fear, out of fear, you are, for any reason, brother,
00:33:10listen, one minute, one minute, one minute, out of fear, one minute, Sanjeev Kaushik, out of fear,
00:33:14listen. Say it for any reason, I am saying they are doing it out of fear,
00:33:18how are they doing it, it's a good thing, isn't it? You yourself are supporting it, and your government's
00:33:21and Congress's Chief Minister of Kerala also recently gave a statement,
00:33:25he said, I want social media to be controlled,
00:33:29social media cannot run like this, so your Chief Minister is also doing it, but
00:33:33the point is that what you are saying, I hope very much, but
00:33:36if big leaders of Congress, the way you bravely say that yes, they should be
00:33:39controlled, it is the government's responsibility, if some big leaders
00:33:43of Congress would give such a statement, it would be very good.
00:33:45I will come, but Vandana ji, after that, Suresh ji and Nirva ji, I will come to you,
00:33:49Vandana ji, do you also feel that these social media companies
00:33:52are crossing the red line and therefore
00:33:56their screws should be tightened?
00:33:58चाहिए,
00:34:00that earlier
00:34:04our PM was managing the media, then suddenly
00:34:08he felt that media management alone would not work, because
00:34:11today's people, today's students, today's students, today's Gen Z,
00:34:15today's people are mostly on social media,
00:34:19and such a big protest went on social media, so the talk of imposing
00:34:23restrictions on social media now is just because Modi
00:34:27ji wants his voice to be heard, perhaps that's his aim,
00:34:30because when his own post disappears
00:34:34for a few seconds, companies come and apologize to him,
00:34:38but 140 crore people are raising their voices,
00:34:41and nobody is listening. Now I will show you a very
00:34:47quick example. Arvind Kejriwal
00:34:50ji's account was restricted, okay, I will show you proof and you saw it, I know,
00:34:54it was restricted, why? Because voice was raised on E-20,
00:34:57voice was raised on paper leaks, they want to silence because
00:35:01they know that social media has now become an alternative
00:35:05for people's voices, so to suppress it today,
00:35:08because until today, so many abusive, so many abusive
00:35:12child materials on all these
00:35:45Some fact-checks should be done. Whatever political talk you want to do, absolutely do it, some
00:35:49fact-checks should be done. First of all, you said media control, I
00:35:52have been telling repeatedly, because Vandana ji, today you are joining me for the first time, so
00:35:56it is very important to correct your information. The best
00:36:00example of how Prime Minister Narendra Modi controls the media is Doordarshan,
00:36:04DD News, and how is it
00:36:07that you call it a government channel, right? So on this DD News, listen,
00:36:11the fact-check is not yet complete. On this DD News, on this Doordarshan, before 2016,
00:36:15no opposition leader was invited. Go and check. No
00:36:17opposition leader could come on DD News
00:36:21and give advice, could not criticize the government.
00:36:24But Modi ji controlled it in such a way that he said, no, invite Aam Aadmi
00:36:28Party also, invite Congress also, and invite every
00:36:31political party, give them time to criticize the government,
00:36:35we are doing it clearly. Apart from this, there are many programs on DD News.
00:36:38One fact-check, okay. Second, one
00:36:42minute, one minute, one minute. Second, second fact-check.
00:36:45You saw the Bombay High Court's decision, today's news is that
00:36:49you saw the Bombay High Court's decision. The Bombay High Court
00:36:53has said that all the objectionable
00:36:56posts regarding E-20 should be removed from social media.
00:36:59This is the decision of the Bombay High Court. And on social
00:37:02media, as long as Arvind Kejriwal was writing about student issues,
00:37:06his post was not restricted. When he was spreading
00:37:10lies about E-20 that Indian farmers are suffering,
00:37:14this and that is happening, so when he started spreading
00:37:18lies about E-20, the Bombay High Court also says that any
00:37:21post spreading lies about E-20 should be restricted.
00:37:25So leave the company aside, at least respect the High Court.
00:37:29Speak. Now
00:37:32I'll show you an example. I posted something. You showed
00:37:35your X account, I'll show you my X account too. I posted something
00:37:39about Chanda Chor. This, this
00:37:42X account gave me
00:37:45this. My post was restricted. I also got a notice, this is the so called
00:37:49notice that came to me like three days ago and I
00:37:53only posted about Chanda Chor on my X account.
00:37:56So this way, here people's words are being suppressed,
00:38:00the truth is the truth. Until today,
00:38:03social ji, such notices, such notices come to me every
00:38:07week. First of all, I haven't seen your tweet, one minute, I haven't seen your tweet,
00:38:11your notice, but such notices, at least
00:38:14I get them every week. Many times, because someone
00:38:18complains about it, it clearly says that this is not for legal
00:38:22action, but it's a complaint. I don't know what notice you are talking about. I don't know what
00:38:26your tweet was without seeing it, but if you say so, I have read my tweet
00:38:29aloud, so if your tweet was in front of me, I would talk about it.
00:38:33But this is the problem, I am saying, and if there is a problem, it should be solved, right?
00:38:37Exactly, why should your unnecessary
00:38:41things be stopped, I am saying, absolutely. And yes, if someone
00:38:44is spreading lies, then it should definitely happen. How can we allow someone to spread lies
00:38:48and make fake videos on social media and take money
00:38:52from anywhere, from China, and then boost
00:38:55it? Why should we allow this? That there is a loss
00:38:59to Indian farmers in E-20, Indian farmers are being robbed of this, which has no basis,
00:39:03someone posts such a post, video, and then gets it boosted by paying money,
00:39:07why? Why? It should not be done, no, this should not be allowed.
00:39:10Charu ji, speak, then I will come to Suresh ji and Nirva ji.
00:39:13When we, one minute, wait, one minute, Charu ji, I, I
00:39:16need to answer this, one minute, I am coming, one minute, I am coming.
00:39:20Ashok ji, you have given a very correct example,
00:39:24and it has become very easy, anyone with a mobile
00:39:28in one hand can use free AI tools
00:39:31to make any kind of fake video about anyone nowadays,
00:39:35and boosts this video so much by paying money
00:39:38that everyone does not
00:39:41have enough understanding to go and check if it has an AI mark
00:39:45or not. Now, even a minister like Nitin Gadkari
00:39:48had to go to court
00:39:51and show that so much falsehood
00:39:55and propaganda is being spread, which needs to be stopped,
00:39:59because if it is not stopped, then foreigners are benefiting
00:40:02from the loss of our country, and you have given the example of E-20
00:40:05correctly. So this is what happened,
00:40:09today, the spokespersons who are not updated enough,
00:40:13should know that injunctions have been placed on talking
00:40:16about such things and also on posting such things.
00:40:20So how did such a legal provision come about?
00:40:23Because a law was brought and in that law
00:40:27you clearly told our government that we are
00:40:30intermediaries, we do not make decisions, the people
00:40:33who post above us, they are the decision-makers. So the people
00:40:37who post, yes, it's you and us. Now they have agreed that they
00:40:41are working as publishers, because look, they are not explaining
00:40:45to us how the algorithm is set, they are not explaining to us what we are seeing,
00:40:48they are not explaining to us how much money they are earning from our viewing,
00:40:52so ultimately, they have to take responsibility, right?
00:40:56They have to take it, this is a very selective and political way of looking
00:41:00at things. You are saying that
00:41:03for seconds. I am saying, who gave the right
00:41:06to remove anyone's video? If it's not
00:41:10a lie, it's not propaganda, it was just
00:41:13a message, brother, if you are blocking even a message, then
00:41:17it means you are trying to play some political game,
00:41:20absolutely, you are censoring, and the law of this country does not give
00:41:24you the right to censor. Suresh ji, I will come to your point.
00:41:40regarding or in India, wait one minute,
00:41:43wait one minute, I will come, brother, there are two more guests, I am coming to you. Yes,
00:41:47it's fine, isn't it? So the question is that many things happen
00:41:51in the world, but suddenly an incident is amplified
00:41:54so much that we feel that Muslims
00:41:58are being greatly oppressed all over the world, right? It's too much
00:42:01in Gaza, right? It's amplified like this. And
00:42:05I have a tweet from OpIndia. When OpIndia tweeted about
00:42:09the atrocities happening with Hindus and reported it,
00:42:13Meta blocked this page. This
00:42:16is Meta playing games.
00:42:19So the question is, and another thing is that if you
00:42:23write terrorist or just terrorist on YouTube,
00:42:27or on Instagram or other platforms, immediately
00:42:29a strike comes, immediately that video,
00:42:33you can't write terrorist. On the platform where you can't
00:42:37write terrorist, on that platform,
00:42:40videos full of abuses for the Prime Minister of India and his late mother
00:42:44were uploaded, and that video was not stopped.
00:42:47If you say the word 'ha ha', that word
00:42:50gets punched, that word does not come, but such vulgar abuses
00:42:54for the Prime Minister's mother, they are running,
00:42:57so is this just a game of money or is there an ideological war
00:43:01against India? You have asked a very good question, so the question
00:43:05you asked, there is a money matter, but there is also an ideological game.
00:43:08Today, if you look at the senior leadership of Meta and Instagram
00:43:12in India, Instagram's Public Policy is led
00:43:15by Natasha Jog. Now, those who follow the media
00:43:19would know that seven years ago, Natasha
00:43:23Jog was the same journalist who ran anti-Hindu
00:43:26programs in NDTV
00:43:29with leftist journalist Prannoy Roy. Now, if you
00:43:32go to their other
00:43:36senior leadership, there is Aman Jain.
00:43:39Aman Jain was an advisor to the Congress
00:43:43Minister of Youth Affairs and
00:43:46Sports. And in their senior leadership,
00:43:49Shashank Shah was also
00:43:52a fellow of Congress Minister Ashwini Kumar.
00:43:56So people of a particular ideology are hired. Priyanka Rao Khan,
00:44:00who was removed about six months ago, was also
00:44:03associated with Congress. And this is not
00:44:06today's thing or current leadership, their leadership is consistently
00:44:10coming from Meta. And now Ashwini ji,
00:44:14sorry, Sanjeev ji was talking, and Sanjeev ji was telling the history
00:44:17of social media. Sanjeev ji, perhaps you might have forgotten
00:44:21that on August 24,
00:44:232012,
00:44:2612 accounts were blocked by Manmohan Singh's government,
00:44:30Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's government, in which
00:44:33the accounts of two
00:44:35journalists, Shiv Aroor and Kanchan Gupta ji, were also blocked by your order,
00:44:39and here is the copy of that order. Now you,
00:44:43you are telling history, so you have forgotten a lot. In 2018,
00:44:46Cambridge Analytica, an American company, on which
00:44:50action was later taken in America, in Cambridge
00:44:53Analytica's office, there was a poster with the Congress symbol.
00:44:57Congress had given them a contract of 800 crores.
00:45:00So to run this whispering campaign
00:45:04in America, they were found guilty, the company had to shut down.
00:45:08Later they started a new company, Emerdata.
00:45:10And now let's come to the Aam Aadmi Party people, what madam
00:45:14was saying that Kejriwal ji posted this morning, Kejriwal ji did not
00:45:17say what post of his was restricted this morning.
00:45:21If you support Pakistan, if you support Khalistanis,
00:45:25that post can be restricted. Everyone's some post
00:45:29gets restricted. Kejriwal ji just said that my monetization is on, this is on,
00:45:33this is on, he did not say which post was restricted. Okay, one minute, one minute, you move
00:45:37forward, it's a very interesting point, because I was watching Kejriwal ji, below that,
00:45:40I was seeing some comments, one minute. Kejriwal ji said, if this happens to you
00:45:44too, DM me. So people reminded him that, brother, you have turned off your DMs.
00:45:48So, how much do you support freedom of expression
00:45:52that you keep your DMs turned off? Then you tell the public that if this happens to you too, DM me.
00:45:56Brother, where should they DM, please tell that too. Now let's talk about the technical
00:45:59point here, that the algorithm-based
00:46:02content distribution system, these companies like Meta
00:46:06declare their corporate decisions as technical errors and make money
00:46:09from them, run their ideology, and then remove them by calling them technical
00:46:13errors, and get away with it. It's just a technical error. I have
00:46:16some seven-eight questions for Meta, if they answer them, or if their supporters,
00:46:20the Congress gentlemen, answer them, then with your permission, I will ask them those seven-eight questions.
00:46:24And one minute, please, please, I just went to a guest.
00:46:27Sanjeev,
00:46:28Sanjeev, this is a bigger
00:46:32debate than a political debate, ji. The statement about algorithm-based content distribution
00:46:36is not my words, Meta's whistleblower,
00:46:40Kelly Stoneflake, said this on TV
00:46:43yesterday, I am not saying this. These are Kelly Stoneflake's
00:46:47words. So, if Meta can clarify
00:46:50this, it would be very good. He said that this is done by the algorithm,
00:46:54not what you want to see, but what we want to show. One
00:46:58minute, one minute, Sanjeev Kaushik, one minute, I, I want to go to Nirva ji.
00:47:02Nirva ji, please also come on this topic, but before that, you people
00:47:05have done a great injustice, you are sending your reporters to snoop around
00:47:09in people's bungalows, that's a very wrong thing.
00:47:13Who pays 12 lakhs? Who lives in a 12 lakh
00:47:16bungalow? Who lives next to Pawan Munjal?
00:47:20You are, this exposure, this is an infringement of people's privacy,
00:47:24brother. Why should you come and snoop around in my house, my bungalow,
00:47:28if I pay 12 lakhs, 25 lakhs? No, look, it's
00:47:32like this, you are a public figure. When you
00:47:35demand accountability from someone, then you should also be in a
00:47:38position to answer when accountability is demanded from you. And also,
00:47:42the one who calls himself an RTI activist, yes, he is an RTI activist,
00:47:46a legal journalist, so brother, questions will be raised because you have also
00:47:49raised questions on people. You are a public figure.
00:48:22But we will not back down. We stand by our story. We stand by the
00:48:25journalist. And in this, you have also supported us a lot.
00:48:29So thank you for that, for the support, for the moral support.
00:48:33But we are not backing out. I say this,
00:48:36Nirva ji, I repeatedly say that journalists of the country should come under the purview
00:48:40of the RTI Act. Those who ask for RTI from others, I say that journalists should also
00:48:44publicly declare their assets. And Saurav Das ji, I am ready,
00:48:48now you come, let's both go to the Press Club, declare our respective assets,
00:48:51our respective
00:49:22But okay, I have to go to a break, before that, Nirva ji, in brief,
00:49:26this whole fight, which is algorithm-based, because you people
00:49:29are also on the platform, you people are also on social media platforms, do you think
00:49:33because I remember very well that in the 2024 elections, many
00:49:36YouTubers had said, who were of a certain kind
00:49:39of YouTubers, they had said that our
00:49:43entire content is being suppressed, we are not being allowed to grow
00:49:47throughout the election. This is what Jaipur
00:49:50Dialogues, Ajit Bharti, there are many such
00:49:54people who say that our posts were suppressed. Do you also
00:49:58feel that this happens? Voice,
00:50:01give voice, brother, voice. Yes, sorry, speak. Yes, it happens,
00:50:05absolutely. And it also happens that some content
00:50:08is amplified. Okay. For example, if
00:50:12Jaipur Dialogues, Ajit Bharti, if their content is being suppressed,
00:50:15then recently, during the riots and protests in Chantar,
00:50:19a kind of content was being pushed to make you feel
00:50:22that this protest is all organic,
00:50:25these are genuine students who are going to protest,
00:50:29whereas it is clearly visible that these are political
00:50:33activists, more than 50% there are political activists,
00:50:36from political parties, student union people are sitting.
00:50:40So this student union, that doesn't make them the
00:50:43genuine student concerns. They had come there only to do their politics,
00:50:47which they did, eventually the riots happened.
00:50:51Now these very people,
00:51:22Jharkhand content is not coming on your timeline.
00:51:25While scrolling through your Instagram, did you see students from Jharkhand?
00:51:29We have to push the बात of students from Jharkhand. We make 10 videos,
00:51:33we do 10 programs, videos, then out of them, one
00:51:37gets a little bit of traction. But anyway, it's good that the country is now talking about it.
00:51:40Whether they push it or not,
00:51:44but still, understand. I am taking a short break. After the break,
00:51:48Sanjeev and Vandana ji, I am coming to you, Charu ji, after the break.
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00:54:39Okay, you are watching Do Took. We are discussing in Do Took, Jantar Mantar's fair
00:54:42or algorithm's game? Because Meta has accepted
00:54:45that the videos abusing the Prime Minister that were coming on your social
00:54:49media handles, on Instagram, on your WhatsApp,
00:54:53the one-sided videos that were coming in the Jantar Mantar protest, all of them were boosted
00:54:57by taking money. Now the question is, who paid
00:55:00this money? Sanjeev Kaushik, the government
00:55:04सरकार
00:55:16should know who paid the money, Ashok ji,
00:55:19as was the feeling, so was the image seen by the Lord.
00:55:22I am just saying that the government should be given four slaps
00:55:26and asked who are these people posting,
00:55:29we who are of the country. are abusing the Prime Minister,
00:55:33we are abusing the opposition of the country. As Congress does,
00:55:37as Congress does, that something against Rahul Gandhi, I
00:55:41am asking this, I exactly, I one minute, one minute, I completely, I
00:55:45am with you and today I BJP, one minute, one minute, one minute, take my question,
00:55:48oh, take my question, I am with you,
00:55:52absolutely this should be done, one should ask with a slap,
00:55:55as it happens in Congress, now in Karnataka, as soon as a video
00:55:59against Rahul Gandhi was uploaded on Instagram, an FIR was immediately filed and they said
00:56:03to drag him to the police station, so absolutely.
00:56:35If a minister follows such people who talk about breaking society,
00:56:39who talk about abusing, then who is talking about breaking society, on what basis will you
00:56:42decide this, I will tell you I am, oh, on what basis will you decide
00:56:46this, listen to me, listen to me, one minute, one minute, listen, listen, listen,
00:56:50one minute, one minute, I am asking you an example, I am asking
00:56:53you an example, I don't know if you follow Saurav Das or not,
00:56:57but I think today big people of this country follow
00:57:01him and Saurav Das is, he was giving a statement
00:57:05against the statement of the Chief of Army Staff of India, saying that one should not speak against Pakistan,
00:57:08now is this breaking the country or not, should Saurav Das be followed?
00:57:12Should everyone who follows
00:57:15him be put in jail, Ashok ji, if this बात
00:57:19is decided by the government of the country
00:57:23and the representatives of the government of the country go and compromise
00:57:26with the representatives sitting on Jantar Mantar,
00:57:30then at least there should be enough honesty
00:57:33that what they are saying, what agreement they are saying,
00:57:36what they are saying in front of the media, it should be implemented,
00:57:40from that as they are talking,
00:57:44what all things happened, what?
00:57:49Meaning, the criminals should be released, right?
00:57:52The criminals should be released,
00:57:55right? I want to say something, I am coming, I am coming,
00:57:58you mean to say that criminals should be released, right? You don't care
00:58:02about what he says, it doesn't matter at all, no, no, why should criminals be released,
00:58:06one minute, for your information, let me tell you, one minute, for your information, let me tell you,
00:58:10even if the government releases them, one minute, one minute, listen, Sanjeev ji, one minute,
00:58:14Sanjeev ji, one minute, this was not my debate topic today, but you want to say, I
00:58:17want to say and then go to Vandana ji and then Charu ji, I want to say something very quickly,
00:58:21they will forget those words, say it, say it, good, say it, say it,
00:58:25they are saying that talk of creating division in society, this word
00:58:29was used by Sanjeev ji just now, I want
00:58:32to remind him that these are the people
00:58:35who are not dividing society but were standing
00:58:41who supported the division of the country, we have heard it and the people of the country have also
00:58:45heard it, one minute, one minute
00:58:54I will give you a chance, first to Vandana ji, see, it is like this, the party whose national president says that the Prime Minister of India
00:58:57Narendra Modi is a terrorist, then should the formula given by Sanjeev ji
00:59:01that by slapping him, should that formula be applied to him, you people decide
00:59:05that, I don't have that much authority, I cannot say such a thing about the national president of Congress,
00:59:09but the party whose national president says that Narendra
00:59:13Modi is a terrorist and if you see an RSS person,
00:59:16first beat him up, leave you, then if this is not a statement
00:59:19inciting the country, breaking the country, spreading riots in the country, then what else can it be,
00:59:23Sanjeev
00:59:25tell
00:59:33ji, to suppress the opposition, send ED, put them in jail on false
00:59:37charges, then it's fine, it's fine, when there were more than two and a half
00:59:40lakh students in the protest,
00:59:44were they also on social media, were they on social media, that picture
00:59:48was created by AI, today today that same youth came and took the resignation
00:59:51of Dharmendra Pradhan, so today Narendra Modi
00:59:55ji understood, the Central Government understood that now
00:59:59it is necessary to suppress the voice of social media as well, secondly, secondly,
01:00:03let me make a point here
01:00:04on
01:00:07no, one minute, I want to ask Charu Pragya ji, now you are shouting and saying
01:00:11that how the Prime Minister deleted it from there, I want
01:00:14to ask you, for so many days there were videos
01:00:18and fake deep fake videos of sir on the platform, why didn't the Central
01:00:21Government raise its voice, answer, that's it,
01:00:24stop it, Charu Pragya, no time, Charu Pragya
01:00:27ji give Charu Pragya ji's voice
01:00:31brother a little history