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00:00:00had moved ahead after breaking it, so the police had to
00:00:03disperse the crowd to protect the parliament,
00:00:06they had to resort to lathi charge. The police
00:00:10did a lathi charge, and in that, some innocent students
00:00:13also became its target, but
00:00:17on the other hand, the protesters or the wrong elements
00:00:20among the students pelted stones at the police,
00:00:24beat up the police,
00:00:26is amplified so much and severely injured the police.
00:00:30This story is a two-sided story, it is not a one-sided story, but
00:00:34remember and go back a little
00:00:38in flashback, you will understand
00:00:42picture of changing India that on the 20th, on the 20th, 21st, 22nd,
00:00:44all those videos, all those links,
00:00:48all those things were suddenly
00:00:52coming on your mobile phone that were proving
00:00:56that what happened at Jantar Mantar, what happened outside the parliament,
00:01:00in that, only students were beaten up,
00:01:03and the protesters did nothing,
00:01:07they were very simple and very innocent people,
00:01:10this must have happened to you, but after four or
00:01:14five days, videos from both sides started coming
00:01:18in public, from both sides, in which it was also there that students
00:01:22were also beating, on the other side, we were also seeing that
00:01:26on the other side, the protesters were pelting stones at the police,
00:01:29breaking police cars, they were breaking
00:01:33the red lights that were installed, the CCTV cameras that were installed,
00:01:36and taking them home, this was also there, you saw both pictures
00:01:40after four-five days, and along with that,
00:01:43the videos of abusing
00:01:47that if someone posts such things Prime Minister Narendra Modi, the vulgar
00:01:49and obscene videos that you probably would never want to watch
00:01:53at home, were suddenly popping up on your social
00:01:57media handles. Suddenly they were
00:02:00popping up, and then you must have felt
00:02:04that the entire Gen Z of the country
00:02:08has become abusive, the students
00:02:11are propagated in such a way, of the entire country have taken to the streets, and the police
00:02:13in the entire country have become the enemy of the students,
00:02:17you must have felt that way, but do you know, do you have
00:02:21any idea that there is
00:02:24actually a thing called algorithm, a monster called algorithm,
00:02:28which had hacked your mind at that time,
00:02:32yes, the algorithm had hacked your mind,
00:02:35you were continuously being shown
00:02:38one-sided, one kind of things, and by showing
00:02:41them, by showing them again and again, your mind was hacked,
00:02:45and again I am saying, I am not saying this,
00:02:49the companies running these social media handles have
00:02:53admitted this that
00:02:55actually what happened in India, from Jantar Mantar
00:02:59to abusing the Prime Minister, all this
00:03:02content, someone paid for this content,
00:03:06and these companies, the company Meta,
00:03:10it admitted, its officials admitted
00:03:12that they boosted all this content
00:03:16by taking money from some third party,
00:03:20and delivered it to your mobile phone.
00:03:24Now, how big is this game, and this game was caught
00:03:27because Meta itself,
00:03:30the same Meta that runs your WhatsApp,
00:03:34your Facebook and your Instagram
00:03:38and Threads, when that company named Meta
00:03:41restricted the social media post of the Prime
00:03:45Minister of India on Facebook,
00:03:48put a stop to it, then it was found out, "What is
00:03:52this happening?" On one hand, the Prime Minister's post
00:03:56in India, the Prime Minister of India's post is restricted,
00:04:00it is stopped, on the other hand, posts abusing the Prime Minister,
00:04:03for people's voices, posts saying obscene things to them, are
00:04:07boosted by taking money,
00:04:09women power, and when the PM's post was stopped,
00:04:12after that, the Indian government opened its eyes,
00:04:15their ears perked up, and Meta was called, Meta
00:04:19was summoned, and Meta
00:04:23has apologized to Prime Minister Narendra Modi,
00:04:26but for the past two days, in India,
00:04:30the parliamentary committee of the IT sector, and
00:04:34apart from that, the IT
00:04:36ministry and the government are continuously in talks
00:04:40with Meta officials, and the news is
00:04:43that all the Meta officials who have come to India
00:04:47post was removed for a few minutes, have been given a dressing down,
00:04:50and they have admitted that they played this game
00:04:54in India, they played this game by taking
00:04:58money, so this question is before us,
00:05:01was Jantar Mantar really a student fair or
00:05:05was it an algorithm game?
00:05:08It is very important to raise this question sharply today because remember,
00:05:12before this, what happened in India, because India is a democratic country,
00:05:16but for the past five, six, seven years,
00:05:19social media companies in many countries of the world
00:05:23have launched their campaign of regime change,
00:05:26in many countries, regime change has happened
00:05:29only because social media
00:05:33amplified the entire campaign of regime change.
00:05:36What about
00:05:39India? Are these social media platforms
00:05:43trying to do the same? And will they try to do it in the coming
00:05:46days, or will the Indian government
00:05:49show these companies their place, and ensure
00:05:52that these companies do not dare to do
00:05:56any such work in India? Will the Indian
00:05:59government create a way for this? Will a Lakshman Rekha be drawn?
00:06:02Will these unrestrained companies be reined
00:06:06in? Today, all these questions are before us, we will discuss all these
00:06:10questions sharply. Was Jantar Mantar
00:06:12a fair or an algorithm
00:06:36This victory is for the Constitution of India. This victory is for the
00:06:39Parliament of India, and it shows the strength of
00:06:42our Honorable Prime Minister who leads 140 crore people
00:06:45that anyone who wants to do business in India
00:06:49will have to follow the law of India. Why don't they summon
00:06:53Meta when our leaders are shadow-banned and absurd things
00:06:57are spread against us? They summoned Meta
00:07:01for the Prime Minister. The rules are different for the Prime Minister
00:07:04and different for us.
00:07:14chairman, took a very strong stand and asked them to apologize,
00:07:18and along with that, we also expressed concern that anti-nationals
00:07:23and that is encouraged,
00:07:26we also expressed concern about that. So we are
00:07:30very happy that they have admitted their mistakes, and
00:07:34in the future, we will also get relief
00:07:37from the terrorist forces that are threatening
00:07:41our national security.
00:08:59you listen to all the statements, and let me inform you that in today's
00:09:03discussion, it has also been reported that the Meta company, the
00:09:06Meta team, has admitted that yes, there is some
00:09:10problem with their algorithm, they have accepted this. Now the news is coming
00:09:14that Meta officials will remain in India
00:09:17for some more days, and during this time, the Indian IT
00:09:21sector's secretaries will
00:09:25have continuous discussions with these companies.
00:09:28We will discuss all this. Five guests will be
00:09:32in today's debate. Let me introduce them. Charu Pragya has joined me.
00:09:41joined me. Sanjeev Kaushik has joined me. Sanjeev Kaushik
00:09:45is a political analyst and supporter of the Congress party. Vandana Sinha has joined me.
00:09:49She is the spokesperson of the Aam Aadmi Party. Nirva
00:09:52Mehta has joined me. She is the Editor-in-Chief of The
00:09:56Pamphlet. We will also discuss why The Pamphlet is in so much
00:10:00discussion these days. And Suresh
00:10:03Nakhwa ji is with me. He is a political analyst and
00:10:06Suresh Nakhwa ji is also an IT
00:10:09expert. Thank you all. Welcome. I am starting
00:10:13with Charu Pragya ji and Sanjeev Kaushik ji. I am giving you both
00:10:17one and a half minutes each, and after that, I will start today's discussion and
00:10:21move the debate forward. Charu Pragya ji, some people
00:10:25are saying that the government is trying to impose
00:10:28censorship, that by calling these companies and
00:10:32drilling down on these companies, the government is
00:10:35trying to control
00:10:47For a very long time, these big tech companies,
00:10:51these foreign tech companies, they earn money
00:10:54like publishers, but they hide
00:10:57behind calling themselves intermediaries,
00:11:00saying that they have no responsibility,
00:11:04it's the users, like you,
00:11:08like me, like Sanjeev ji, it's the users' responsibility
00:11:11what they post on their pages, but if these
00:11:15pages are posted on your platform and these
00:11:18pages contain criminal elements, these pages contain
00:11:22lies, these pages contain pornography, if
00:11:26these pages contain anything that can incite riots, that can spread
00:11:29lies, then these tech giants will also
00:11:33have to take responsibility, and that is why IT Rules
00:11:36were implemented in our country. At the time of implementing IT Rules, some things
00:11:40became clear. An officer of these companies will always
00:11:44be stationed in our country, if any problem arises,
00:11:48that post will be taken down within 24 hours,
00:11:52and this time also, the discussion is on big issues, Ashok
00:11:55ji, it will be in the national interest if it is not politicized, and I
00:11:59tell you how the biggest issue is
00:12:03child abuse material, child sexual abuse material, and
00:12:06our government asked questions about this. Our government said
00:12:12and pays your platform to amplify it, how can you
00:12:15amplify this content or show it to other people in an exaggerated
00:12:19way? It was asked that if you know a video has been made with AI
00:12:23that is false, that is a deepfake video, if you... do not regulate it and someone
00:12:26is spreading it among the public by paying money, then you cannot hide
00:12:30behind it. So who makes this algorithm?
00:12:34What do we consume? Who decides this, and
00:12:38where does its responsibility lie? This time, when
00:12:41we asked these tough questions, Meta came forward and
00:12:45apologized. This clearly shows that the path the government was
00:12:48on, the laws the government had made, were absolutely correct, and they
00:12:52should be this strict. Okay, I didn't stop
00:12:55you when your time was up because it was
00:12:58information. I was only talking about technical things, Ashok ji. About politics after
00:13:02this. Absolutely, absolutely. I didn't stop you because I felt
00:13:05that these are things that the public should understand, so I didn't stop this.
00:13:09And it's true, child pornography, the way it is boosted
00:13:13on platforms like Instagram, the way it is shown,
00:13:17that is not acceptable. There are many things,
00:13:20but Sanjeev Kaushik, see, these
00:13:23companies, there is a need to fix their accountability.
00:13:27Now Meta itself has admitted that certain types
00:13:30of content were boosted
00:13:34by taking money. So, in India,
00:13:37if you take money from anywhere, from any corner
00:13:41of the world, from Pakistan, from Turkey, from China, and
00:13:45if content of their
00:13:48choice is boosted in India, then regarding
00:13:51this, the step taken by the government, I think, everyone
00:13:55should support it, rising above their
00:14:02we are a sovereign nation, and if Meta
00:14:06deletes a video of our Prime Minister, even if it's only for five hours,
00:14:09it will have to answer for it,
00:14:12and the Indian government will grab it by the collar
00:14:16and forcefully pull it and also question
00:14:19it, "How dare you delete the video of the Prime Minister
00:14:23of the country?" But let's move beyond this,
00:14:26let's start from when social media was emerging.
00:14:30You will have to talk about its emergence to its destruction.
00:14:33Something starts in 2004, then after 2010,
00:14:37Facebook, Twitter and something else starts, and after 2014,
00:14:41all this havoc starts. You tell us
00:14:44whether the country's government is so incompetent that it cannot
00:14:47determine that the person on social media is abusing someone else,
00:14:51speaking ill of someone else. Does the government have
00:15:25around 50 crore active social media users in India?
00:15:28Is there any verification of this, or does the Indian
00:15:32government have any data on how many people are fake and how many
00:15:35are genuinely using their original IDs?
00:15:39The government has deliberately created a very large army
00:15:42of such fake people who seemed to be overpowering the opposition parties.
00:15:46For the last 10-12 years, wasn't there an attempt
00:15:49to create a caucus against the opposition parties
00:15:53and defame them or discredit them? Did anyone ever think about it?
00:15:56Did anyone ever question it? And big
00:16:00ministers, the Prime Minister of the country, were seen following
00:16:02people who posted wrong, baseless
00:16:06things about big leaders of opposition parties
00:16:09on social media and were seen following
00:16:12them. So if there was sincerity,
00:16:20Okay. Okay, Charu Pragya, respond.
00:16:24First of all, I feel that
00:16:28the entire point of the debate is lost on the Congress spokesperson,
00:16:31I am so sorry. The truth is that I think Sanjeev ji
00:16:35did not understand some core things that I was explaining. See,
00:16:39first, you make a differentiation,
00:16:43a difference between surveillance and a tech giant telling
00:16:46us what you and I will watch, there is a big difference in that, and let's get back to the point,
00:16:50Ashok ji, and this time, please give me a little extra time
00:16:54to answer on politics as well. The issue is very big,
00:16:57and you understand this point that if there are
00:17:01going to be riots in our country, and someone has made
00:17:04a fake video for those riots using AI, using deepfake,
00:17:19a false video,
00:17:22Ashok ji, then is it just because I have money in my pocket and
00:17:25I can throw this money at Meta? Doesn't Meta have any responsibility
00:17:29in spreading this lie? Now, if our country burns
00:17:32as a result of this lie, then whose responsibility is it? Because if you take money,
00:17:36then you are not an intermediary. You are only an intermediary
00:17:40as long as you don't take money. The moment you start making decisions
00:17:43for us by taking money, you become a publisher. When
00:17:47you start censoring, you become a publisher. This
00:17:51is the first point. Second point, if you look at it away from
00:17:54political lenses, you will understand that the government has given such
00:17:58a big gift of safeguard to the public,
00:18:02until today. Now, coming to your political issues,
00:18:06you are talking about suppressing voices. Well,
00:18:10on one hand, your social media people sit and keep saying, "Look, our Rahul ji has
00:18:14so many likes, you don't get likes," then you don't understand this difference,
00:18:17then you show this comparison in a different, wrong way.
00:18:21And secondly, you also don't understand the difference
00:18:25that I will ask the same question again,
00:18:29what I watch on my Instagram, will I decide that
00:18:32or will the one who is paying Meta
00:18:36decide that and is making us consume wrong content?
00:18:40If today the youth of our country are consuming pornographic content
00:18:43because it has come before them through push marketing, if a
00:18:47child's photo has been morphed, and I am not talking about
00:18:50content only for adults, I am talking about children, because
00:18:54parental filters are not built in, then where does its responsibility
00:18:58lie? And if you want to get into politics, Sanjeev ji, then on such issues,
00:19:02what can I say to you? Okay, no, I exactly, listen, see, before
00:19:05this discussion goes further, I am a big... How dare anyone remove the Prime Minister's video?
00:19:09How can anyone else decide whether our Prime Minister's video
00:19:19we are not China, although today many people in India like
00:19:23China a lot, they give examples of China, but India is not China
00:19:26where all platforms are banned that you won't get newspapers,
00:19:30you won't get anything, whatever the government says will be here. Here, even on government TV,
00:19:34where they say, we allow mocking the government,
00:19:38so this is not China, first of all, that we ban
00:19:42it, but yes, the social media
00:19:45accounts, the social media companies, should be regulated,
00:19:49that should be done and the government has
00:19:52the responsibility because I am saying again, take a look,
00:19:56I will tell you my own example.
00:20:05telling you what happened to me. Look, I had
00:20:08tweeted. Look at the game these companies are playing.
00:20:11I had tweeted this four days,
00:20:15this, this a week ago. I had tweeted this,
00:20:18"You can mislead the youth by lying, by giving false speeches, by making fake
00:20:22reels that the police broke their own cars,
00:20:25but God is watching everything. CCTV cameras
00:20:29have exposed the CGP leaders who gave speeches and
00:20:33the fake reel makers." This is my tweet from last week.
00:20:37Do you know what its English translation was?
00:20:40Its translation was that the CGP who gave false speeches
00:20:44was changed to BJP. This happened with my tweet.
00:20:47Now you think that such a big game is being played
00:20:50with a journalist's tweet, the name of the person
00:20:54I am writing, his name is being changed, so you think
00:20:58what kind of dirty game these companies want to play
00:21:01in India, and let me also tell you, this deepfake,
00:21:05the 2024 election, half of the election
00:21:08was fought on a deepfake video of Amit Shah
00:21:12that Amit Shah said that he would abolish reservations,
00:21:16which was not true. That deepfake
00:21:20video was boosted on Instagram,
00:21:23on every social media handle, on WhatsApp,
00:21:26and more than half of the public in India felt that
00:21:30Amit Shah had said that our government, wait a minute, let me finish,
00:21:34our government will abolish reservations
00:21:37if it comes to power, and that affected the elections.
00:21:40So I am saying that it is important to draw
00:21:43a Lakshman Rekha for these companies, to fix their accountability.
00:21:47This is necessary, this is necessary to save the country.
00:22:20that after 2014, your government is in power, you should do it. Absolutely right, this question
00:22:23is valid, absolutely valid. I stand with you on this that what was happening
00:22:27since 2014, if the government has woken up late, then tighten their
00:22:30screws so much that they don't dare to do this
00:22:34in India again. Even Sanjeev Kaushik is saying this, so Charu ji, you should listen.
00:22:38Due to fear, due to any reason, well, listen,
00:22:41one minute, one minute, one minute, due to fear, one minute, Sanjeev Kaushik, listen,
00:22:45due to any reason, I am saying that they are doing it out of fear,
00:22:48how are they doing it? It's a good thing, isn't it? You yourself are supporting it, and your
00:22:52government and the Chief Minister of Kerala from Congress have also recently
00:22:56given a statement, he said, "I want social media to be controlled,
00:23:00social media cannot run like this," so your Chief Minister is also saying it,
00:23:03but the thing is that what you are saying, I hope so, but if
00:23:07big leaders of Congress, like you, bravely say that yes, they should be controlled,
00:23:11it is the government's responsibility, if some big leaders of Congress give such a statement,
00:23:15it would be very good. I will come to Vandana ji, after that, Suresh ji and Nirva ji, I will
00:23:18come to you. Vandana ji, do you also think that
00:23:22these social media companies are crossing the Lakshman Rekha,
00:23:25and that is why their screws should be tightened?
00:23:29See, Ashok ji, I feel
00:23:31that earlier our PM was
00:23:35managing the media, then he suddenly felt
00:23:39that media management alone would not work, because
00:23:42today's people, today's students, today's students, today's
00:23:46Gen Z, today's people are most active on social media.
00:23:50And such a big protest started on social media, so these
00:23:54talks about imposing restrictions on social media
00:23:58are just to make Modi ji's voice heard, perhaps
00:24:01that's his intention, because when his own
00:24:05post disappears for a few seconds, companies immediately come
00:24:09and apologize to him, but 140 crore people are raising their voices,
00:24:12but no one is paying attention to that. Now I will give you a very clear example.
00:24:16Arvind Kejriwal ji's account
00:24:20was restricted, okay? I can show you proof, and you must have seen
00:24:24it. It was restricted. Why? Because
00:24:27they raised their voice on E20, they raised their voice on paper
00:24:31leaks. So now it's about whether a foreign
00:24:35company will decide who will speak and who will not speak in a democratic
00:24:39company. So the central government is to blame for this, that a foreign
00:24:42company decides that the central government only wants to control
00:24:46the opposition because they know that social
00:24:50media has become an alternative
00:24:53so to suppress this, because until today,
00:24:56so many child materials
00:25:00were present on all these social media platforms,
00:25:04but no action was taken on them. Our daughters' photos
00:25:08were present on this platform, but no action was taken on them.
00:25:12There were so many deepfakes, but today, suddenly,
00:25:15today, suddenly, Ashok ji, a protest takes place
00:25:18where it is found that the entire protest, which the media did not show
00:25:22for a month, goes viral on social media. One minute, Vandana ji,
00:25:26one minute, I am stopping you a bit because I think
00:25:29some fact checks are necessary for you. Whatever political
00:25:33talk you want to do, do it, but some fact checks are necessary for you. First of all, you said
00:25:37controlling the media. I have been telling repeatedly, because Vandana ji,
00:25:41you have joined me for the first time today, so it is very important to correct
00:25:44your information. The best example of how Prime Minister Narendra Modi
00:25:48controls the media is Doordarshan,
00:25:50DD News. And how is that? You call it a government channel, right?
00:25:54So on this DD News, listen, the fact check is not complete yet.
00:25:58On this DD News, on this Doordarshan, before 2016, no one from the opposition
00:26:02was invited. Go and check. No
00:26:05leader from the opposition could come on DD News
00:26:09and give their opinion, could not criticize the government.
00:26:12But Modi ji controlled it in such a way that he said, "No, no, invite
00:26:15Aam Aadmi Party also, invite Congress also, and invite every
00:26:19political party, give them time to criticize the government."
00:26:22We are doing it bluntly. Apart from this, there are many programs on DD News, one
00:26:26fact check, okay. Second, one minute, one minute, one minute, second,
00:26:30second fact check. You have seen
00:26:32the High Court's decision today. Today's news is the Bombay High Court's
00:26:36decision. You have seen
00:26:39the Bombay High Court has said that all these objectionable
00:26:42posts regarding E20
00:26:45should be removed from social media. It is the Bombay High Court's
00:26:48decision. And on social media, as long as Arvind Kejriwal
00:26:52was writing about student issues, his post was not restricted.
00:26:56He was talking about E20. when they were spreading lies that
00:26:59this is happening to the farmers of India, that is happening, so when they started spreading
00:27:03lies about E-20, the Bombay High Court also says that
00:27:07whoever is spreading lies about E-20, their posts should be restricted,
00:27:10so leave the company, at least respect the High Court.
00:27:20I had posted something, you showed me your X account, I will show you my X account
00:27:23too. I had posted about fund theft.
00:27:27This, this my X account
00:27:29from this, they restricted me,
00:27:33I also received a notice. This is the so-called notice that came to me, like
00:27:37three days ago, and I had only posted about fund theft
00:27:40on my X account. So, in this way, here
00:27:44people's voices are being suppressed, the truth is being suppressed.
00:27:48Till date, Sandna ji, I get such notices
00:27:52every week. Firstly, I didn't see your tweet, one minute,
00:27:55I didn't see your tweet, I didn't see your notice, but I get such notices
00:27:59at least every week. Many times because someone complains
00:28:03about it, it clearly states that this is not for any legal action, but
00:28:07it is a complaint to you, so I don't know which notice you are talking about
00:28:11without seeing your tweet. But if you say so, I read
00:28:14out my tweet. So, if your tweet was in front of me,
00:28:18I would talk about it, but this is the problem, I am saying it is a problem,
00:28:22so it should be solved, right? Exactly, why should your
00:28:25posts be stopped? I am saying absolutely. And yes, if someone
00:28:29is spreading lies, then it should definitely happen. How can we let
00:28:32someone spread lies and make fake videos and dance on social media,
00:28:36and take money from anywhere, take it from China, and then
00:28:40boost it? Why should we allow this?
00:28:43In E20, the farmers of India are losing money, the farmers of India
00:28:47are being deprived of this, for which there are no facts. Someone posts such a post, uploads a video, and
00:28:51then boosts it by paying money. Why? Why shouldn't
00:29:06Ashok ji, you have taken a very correct example, and it has become very
00:29:10easy for anyone who has a mobile phone in their hand
00:29:14to use free AI tools to create any kind of fake video
00:29:17about anyone nowadays,
00:29:20and they spread this video so much by paying money
00:29:24that not everyone has
00:29:27enough understanding to go and check if it has
00:29:31an AI mark or not. Now, even a minister like Nitin Gadkari ji
00:29:34had to go to court and show that so much
00:29:38falsehood is being spread, propaganda is being spread,
00:29:42which needs to be stopped, because if it is not stopped,
00:29:45then foreigners are benefiting from the loss of our country,
00:29:49and you have correctly taken the example of E-20. So this is what happened.
00:29:53Today, those spokespersons who are
00:29:56not so updated should know that there is an injunction
00:30:00against making such statements
00:30:02and posting such things. So where did such
00:30:06a legal provision come from? Because a law was brought,
00:30:10and in that law, you clearly said
00:30:13to our government, we are intermediaries,
00:30:16we don't make decisions, the people who post on our
00:30:20platform are the decision-makers, so we are the ones who post. Now
00:30:23they have agreed that they are working as publishers,
00:30:27because see, they don't explain how the algorithm is set up
00:30:31to us. They don't explain what we are seeing,
00:30:34they don't explain how much money they are earning from our viewing,
00:30:38so ultimately, they will have to take responsibility, right?
00:30:42They will have to. Well, this is a very selective and politically biased thing to look at.
00:30:46You are saying that Modi ji's
00:30:49for a few seconds. I am asking, who gave the right
00:30:53to remove anyone's video, if it is not false,
00:30:57it is not propaganda? If you are blocking
00:30:59a message legally, then it means
00:31:03you are trying to play a political game. Absolutely,
00:31:07you are censoring, and the laws of this country do not
00:31:10give you the right to censor. Okay, I am coming to you, Suresh ji, with one point.
00:31:14See,
00:31:36I'm coming to you, yes, okay, so the question is that many things happen in the world, but suddenly an incident
00:31:41that we feel that there is a great injustice happening
00:31:45to humanity all over the world, okay? In Gaza, it is extreme, okay?
00:31:49It is amplified in such a way, and I have a tweet from OpIndia.
00:31:53When OpIndia posted this tweet about the atrocities against Hindus,
00:31:57and when it reported this, Meta blocked this page.
00:32:01This, this, this, this is Meta playing games. So the question
00:32:04is, and the second thing is that if you
00:32:08write on YouTube, I mean on YouTube or
00:32:11Instagram, other platforms, if you write
00:32:15"terrorist", you immediately get a strike, immediately that
00:32:19video, you cannot write "terrorist". On the platform where you cannot
00:32:23write "terrorist", on that platform,
00:32:26videos were uploaded, full of abuses against the Prime Minister of India,
00:32:30against his late mother, and that video is not stopped.
00:32:33You say "Ha Shabd Ha Ra", that gets
00:32:36punched, that word doesn't come, but such vulgar abuses
00:32:40against the Prime Minister's mother, that goes viral. So is this just a game of money,
00:32:44or is there an ideological war against India?
00:32:47You have asked a very good question, so the
00:32:50question you asked, it is a matter of money as well, but it is also a game of ideology.
00:32:54Today, if you look at the senior leadership of Meta
00:32:58Instagram in India, the public policy of Instagram
00:33:01is led by Natasha Jog. Now, those who
00:33:05follow the media would know that seven years ago, Natasha
00:33:09Jog was the same journalist who used to run
00:33:13anti-Hindu programs in Pranoy Roy's NDTV,
00:33:16a left-wing journalist. Now, if you look at
00:33:20their other senior leadership, there is
00:33:24Aman Jain. Now, Aman
00:33:27Jain was an advisor to the Congress Minister
00:33:30of Youth Affairs and Sports,
00:33:33and in their senior leadership, Shashank
00:33:37Shah was also a fellow
00:33:40of Congress Minister Ashwani Kumar. So, people with a certain ideology
00:33:44are kept. Priyanka Rao Khan, who was removed about six months
00:33:47ago, was also associated with Congress.
00:33:50And this is not recent; this is not the current leadership.
00:33:54Consistently, their leadership has been like this at Meta.
00:33:57And now, Ashwini
00:34:01ji, sorry, Sanjeev ji, what he was talking about, and Sanjeev ji was
00:34:05narrating the history of social media. Sanjeev ji, perhaps you might have forgotten
00:34:08that on August 24, 2012,
00:34:1212 accounts were blocked by the Manmohan Singh government,
00:34:16by the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh government, which included the accounts
00:34:19of two journalists, Shivroor and
00:34:23Kanchan Gupta, which you ordered to be blocked. And this is the
00:34:26copy of that order. Now, let's come to the history you were narrating; you
00:34:30forgot a lot. In 2018,
00:34:33company, which was later prosecuted
00:34:37in America, a poster with the Congress
00:34:40symbol was found in the office of Cambridge Analytica.
00:34:43It was given an 800-crore contract.
00:34:47So, for running a whispering campaign
00:34:50and a similar campaign in America, it was found guilty and had
00:34:54to close down its company. Later, it started a new company, EmerData.
00:34:58And now, let's come to the Aam Aadmi Party people, what Madam
00:35:02was saying that Kejriwal ji posted this morning. Kejriwal ji did not
00:35:05mention which post of his was restricted this morning. If you
00:35:09support Pakistan, if you support Khalistanis, that post can be restricted.
00:35:13Everyone has some post restricted. Kejriwal ji only said
00:35:17that my monetization is on, this is on, this is on. He did not say which post
00:35:21was restricted. Okay, one minute, one minute, you continued, it's very interesting, because
00:35:24I was reading some comments below Kejriwal ji's post, one minute.
00:35:28Kejriwal ji said, "If something like this happens to you, DM me." So people reminded
00:35:32him that "Sir, you have closed your DMs." So, how much
00:35:36do you advocate freedom of expression that you keep your DMs closed? Then you
00:35:40tell the public, "If something like this happens to you, DM me." Brother, where should we DM,
00:35:43please tell us that too. Let's come to a technical point here, that
00:35:47the algorithm-based content distribution system
00:35:50allows companies like Meta to make money by calling corporate
00:35:54decisions a technical error, spread ideology, and
00:35:57then escape by calling it a technical error. It's
00:36:01a technical error. I have some seven or eight questions for Meta. If they answer them, or if the Congress
00:36:05supporters answer them, then allow me, and I will
00:36:08ask them those seven or eight questions. And this technical, one second,
00:36:12one second, to the guest.
00:36:27Whistleblower Kelly Stonefleet said this on TV yesterday,
00:36:31I am not saying this, these words are Kelly Stonefleet's. So
00:36:34if Meta gives clarification on this, it would be very good. Yes, he said that
00:36:38this is done. The algorithm shows not what you want to see, but what
00:36:42we want to show. One minute, one minute, Sanjeev Kaushik, one minute, I want
00:36:46to go to Nirva ji. Nirva ji, please also come on this topic, but before
00:36:50that, you people have done a big wrong. You are sending
00:36:53your reporters to snoop around in people's bungalows. It's very wrong.
00:37:57because questions will be raised and we will not keep quiet.
00:38:00We are not backing out even with legal notices.
00:38:04I always say, Nirva ji, I always say that journalists
00:38:07of the country should come under the purview of the RTI Act, which is what others
00:38:11do. I say that journalists should also publicly declare their assets,
00:38:15and Saurabh Das ji, I am ready. You come, let's go
00:38:18to the Press Club together and publicly declare our assets, our income,
00:38:22everything, our public assets.
00:38:25For 32
00:38:33years in journalism, I am ready to put my public assets, every
00:38:37debt, my property, my car, my bungalow, everything
00:38:40in the public domain. Come,
00:38:44you also come, Saurabh Das ji, you also come, and it will be very good if Abhijit
00:38:48and Deepak are also with you, because we are talking about transparency,
00:38:51so everyone has to be transparent. But okay, I have to go to a break, but before that,
00:38:55Nirva ji, in brief, this whole fight, which is algorithm-based,
00:38:59because you people are also on the platform,
00:39:05YouTubers said, those who were a particular
00:39:09type of YouTubers, they said that our entire content was
00:39:13pressed, it felt like we were not allowed to grow, throughout
00:39:17the elections, like Jaipur Dialogue,
00:39:20Ajit Bharti, there are many
00:39:24such people who say that their posts were
00:39:28suppressed. Do you also feel that this
00:39:29happens?
00:39:32Voice, please give voice. Yes. Sorry, speak. Yes, it happens,
00:39:36absolutely. And it also happens that some content
00:39:39is amplified. Okay, so if the content
00:39:43of Ajit Party from Jaipur Dialogue is being suppressed, then
00:39:47if now, the recent riots, the protests in January, then in that
00:39:51a certain kind of content was being pushed to make you feel that
00:39:55this protest is all organic, these are genuine
00:39:58students who are going to protest, whereas it is clearly
00:40:02evident that these are political activists, more than 50%
00:40:05there are political activists, from political parties,
00:40:09student union people are sitting. So these are student unions,
00:40:13that doesn't make them the genuine student concerns. They
00:40:17had come there to do their politics, which they did,
00:40:21eventually the riots happened. Now these same people are also going to Jharkhand,
00:40:24such was the call today that on 6th and 7th, we will go
00:40:28to the assembly, whereas the student organizations there
00:40:32are currently protesting, they had said that they are going on June
00:40:40their protest, which has been going on for 20-25 days,
00:40:44so non-violently, so politely? Their protest
00:40:48is going on, why do you have to go there and hijack
00:40:51the protest? And this content from Jharkhand is not coming on your
00:40:55timeline. We?
00:40:57While scrolling through Instagram, did you see students from Jharkhand?
00:41:01We have to push the बात of Jharkhand students. We do 10 videos,
00:41:05we do 10 programs, videos, then out of them, one
00:41:09gets a little bit of traction. But okay, the country has started
00:41:12talking about it, which is good. Whether they push it or
00:41:16not, still, let's take a small break. After the break, Sanjeev and
00:41:19Vandana ji, I am coming to you, Charu ji, after the break.
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00:42:32Okay,
00:42:36you are watching "Do Tuk". In "Do Tuk", we are discussing the Jantar Mantar fair,
00:42:40the algorithm's game, because Meta has accepted
00:42:43that the videos abusing the Prime Minister that were coming on your social
00:42:46media handles, on Instagram, on your
00:42:49WhatsApp, the one-sided videos that were coming in the Jantar Mantar protest,
00:42:53all of them were boosted by paying money.
00:42:57Now the question is, who paid this money? Sanjeev
00:43:00Kaushik, the government should ask this, right, and bring it to light,
00:43:04right, that who paid this money, who are the people
00:43:08who were funding this? When the company is admitting
00:43:10that these things were boosted by paying them money, then the government should know
00:43:14who paid the money.
00:43:22us why such posts, such writers
00:43:26against the government on social media have appeared,
00:43:29you are asking us questions. You should ask the opposition
00:43:33parties. You should
00:43:35slap the government four times and ask
00:43:39who are these people who are posting these things?
00:43:42Who are abusing the Prime Minister of the country,
00:43:45who are abusing the opposition of the country? Just like Congress does,
00:43:48right? Just like Congress does, right? That on Rahul Gandhi,
00:43:52something... I am asking this. Exactly, I, one minute,
00:43:56one minute, I am absolutely with you, and I am today,
00:43:59one minute, one minute, one minute, please take my question. Oh, please
00:44:02take my question. I am with you, absolutely, this is what
00:44:06should be done. They should be slapped and asked, just like they do in Congress. No,
00:45:10they don't, but I think today big people in this country follow
00:45:13him, and Saurabh Das was twisting the statement
00:45:17of the Indian Army chief, saying that he shouldn't speak against
00:45:20Pakistan, in opposition to the Indian Army chief. Now, is this breaking the country
00:45:23or not? Should everyone who follows Saurabh Das, one minute,
00:45:27should everyone who follows Saurabh Das be put in jail?
00:45:31Ashok ji, if this is decided by the government
00:45:34of the country, and the representatives of the country go and
00:45:38make an agreement with the representatives of the people sitting at Jantar Mantar,
00:45:42then at least there should be enough honesty to implement
00:45:46what they are saying, what they are agreeing to, what they are saying
00:45:49in front of the media. That should happen, right?
00:45:53What like like
00:45:56what all things were discussed? What
00:45:58is
00:46:01it? Meaning, the criminals should be released? You are saying
00:46:05that the criminals should be released? Is that what you are saying?
00:46:09I want to say something.
00:46:40These words were used by Sanjeev ji just now.
00:46:43I want to remind him, these are the people
00:46:47who supported not the division of society, but the division
00:46:51of the country.
00:47:08If the national president of a party says that the Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi, is a terrorist, then should
00:47:12the formula given by Sanjeev ji, of slapping someone, be applied
00:47:16to him? You people decide. I don't have the audacity to say
00:47:20such a thing about the national president of Congress, but the national president of the party
00:47:23says that Narendra Modi is a terrorist, and if
00:47:27you see an RSS person, first kill him, leave the snake. So if this is
00:47:31not a statement that incites the country, breaks the country, creates
00:47:35riots in the country, then what else can it be? Sanjeev, tell me. Mandana ji, speak. Mandana
00:47:38ji, speak. 30 seconds. One
00:47:42minute.
00:47:44Voice. Speak, Ashok ji, to suppress the opposition, send the ED,
00:47:48put them in jail on false charges, then it's fine, it's fine, when she
00:48:22is saying how she deleted the Prime Minister's video from there, I want to ask you,
00:48:35there is no time. Charu Pragya
00:48:38ji,
00:48:40जी,
00:48:43please give voice to Charu Pragya ji. Let's go
00:48:46back a little in history and remind Vandana ji, she is talking
00:48:50about a protest today, day before yesterday there was another
00:48:53protest about which a court order came. Tahir Hussain, who used
00:48:57to be a leader of her party, has been given life imprisonment.
00:49:01Why has he been given life imprisonment? Whatever he posted, protected,
00:49:04and did during the protest, today the court has held
00:49:08him responsible for the murder of an IB officer.
00:49:12He has received life imprisonment. That's all the time we have today, but I am
00:49:16repeating that we need to seriously think about this safe harbor, this legal
00:49:19shield, and social media will not decide the political discourse
00:49:23of India. No company sitting abroad will decide it.
00:49:26The 140 crore people of the country will decide,
00:49:29and the 140 crore people of the country should see what they want to see,
00:49:32instead of a company sitting abroad deciding it by paying
00:49:36money. This should stop. That's all for today. Thank you all,
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