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00:07:42this information, before paying attention to
00:07:46the capital, I drew attention to the fact that 15 minutes
00:07:50before the start of our program, an air raid alert was announced again
00:07:53in Kyiv. Dear friends, until 7:00 p.m., we will work in
00:07:57this studio and tell you everything that
00:08:00happened the day before, we will start our broadcast,
00:08:04of course, from Kyiv, you open
00:08:08the news feed and it's scary to read it, because the Russians have chosen
00:08:12such... the main target, it seems,
00:08:14the capital and now they are hitting it like some kind of boxing
00:08:18pear, several
00:08:21districts were damaged again, the Russians have even reached the point where
00:08:24they are attacking restaurants, there are injured
00:08:27people, our journalist Natalia Starepravo is currently working in
00:08:30the capital, she is in touch with us, we will ask her
00:08:34in more detail. Natalia, greetings, tell us, where are you now and what is
00:08:38happening there?
00:08:41Greetings, Lesia, greetings. Roma, greetings to our viewers, right now
00:08:44I am in Obolonsky district, near
00:08:47the embankment, right next to the place where Russian
00:08:51shells hit. According to
00:08:54preliminary information, the hit occurred at a boat
00:08:57station, right near the embankment and right near the place
00:09:00of the restaurant, about which it was previously said that a hit
00:09:04could have occurred there. We see that the place is now cordoned off,
00:09:08fire trucks, police,
00:09:11operational-investigative services worked there, these cars
00:09:14have already left, they also seized explosive
00:09:18objects and fragments of enemy
00:09:22shells that hit this
00:09:25place. Preliminarily, six injured people are known,
00:09:28five were hospitalized, one was given
00:09:32assistance on the spot. Relatives of those who suffered from
00:09:35the attack are also currently at the scene,
00:09:39trying to find out any news about what could have happened here.
00:09:43It is also known preliminarily that there was
00:09:46a fire in wooden structures,
00:09:49cars, quite a large area, currently
00:09:52all the circumstances of the attack are being clarified. I will add that
00:09:56it was around noon that the air raid alert sounded about
00:09:59the threat of missiles that
00:10:03were heading towards Kyiv, in particular I heard at least two
00:10:06explosions, quite loud, because I live nearby,
00:10:10and later locals began to... report that
00:10:13smoke was rising and at another address, also
00:10:16near the Obolon embankment, in some
00:10:19high-rise buildings, windows were broken, but
00:10:22currently there is no information about victims,
00:10:26colleagues, over to you. Natalia, also tell us,
00:10:29because there was information that after certain hits on
00:10:32Kyiv's distribution energy facilities, part of
00:10:36Kyiv residents were left without electricity,
00:10:39is there electricity in the city, is
00:10:42the metro working?
00:10:45Currently, there is information that the metro has resumed
00:10:49its movement, but it is indeed confirmed that in some districts there was a power outage,
00:10:53personally I did not lose power, but there were interruptions with
00:10:56water, in particular the right bank
00:10:59especially feels interruptions with
00:11:03water supply, this is
00:11:05especially noticeable here, where so many people also complained
00:11:09about power outages,
00:11:12it disappears quite
00:11:15unpredictably, because for example, if DTEK or other
00:11:18services do not see an accident, the light can disappear
00:11:22and reappear several times a day. And in
00:11:26Obolonsky district, the situation is particularly difficult, because
00:11:29many high-rise buildings have been without
00:11:32electricity for more than 12 hours, and no service can explain
00:11:36what's wrong, even people are waiting for at least some answer
00:11:40from the city or utility services, what's wrong, but they still
00:11:44remain without any information.
00:11:47Natalia, recently the mayor of Kyiv
00:11:50said that it will be even more difficult, so people
00:11:54should leave. You, as a journalist who
00:11:57is in the capital, who goes to all these places
00:12:00of arrivals, who communicates with people, and who meanwhile, between all this,
00:12:04between fulfilling her journalistic duty,
00:12:07also tries to live, you can
00:12:10compare different periods that Kyiv has gone through,
00:12:13now by feeling, how the city functions and whether
00:12:17Kyiv residents or those people who found shelter in Kyiv, who, for example, are leaving
00:12:21the eastern regions, are
00:12:24they listening and will they
00:12:27go further, what are the conversations, what are people talking about
00:12:30among themselves? Well, I will say here that
00:12:34a large number of Kyiv residents, those who were able, left the city
00:12:38at the end of August after the start of such
00:12:41massive attacks on the country's capital, now whoever could, stayed, so for many it is also a problem
00:12:44to leave, either there is nowhere to go, or there are no funds, or
00:12:48work or other family circumstances keep them... in place,
00:12:52in particular, like me, who for one reason or another
00:12:55remains in Kyiv, despite the fact that we
00:12:59heard long ago that the
00:13:02city is allegedly
00:13:06ready, protective structures
00:13:08have been built around
00:13:11substations, stations, but we see
00:13:14the reality that in October, even when
00:13:18there are no cold weather,
00:13:20and for Kyiv this is actually such
00:13:23an energy... shock, because people don't understand what
00:13:27happened, because suddenly the supply of
00:13:30light, water, and even public transport
00:13:34stops running, for people this is a big problem, how
00:13:38to get from the right to the left bank.
00:13:41It is likely that someone else will decide to leave Kyiv,
00:13:44because it is not yet winter, this is now a period
00:13:48of warm autumn, and what awaits us until winter
00:13:51and the winter period itself...
00:13:55It is really difficult to guess and imagine what
00:13:58the situation will be, despite the fact that the city also says that
00:14:02the city authorities say that there will be heat supply
00:14:06in the houses, but what the reality will be, we
00:14:09will be able to see it already in winter, or when the
00:14:13heating season begins. Thank you, Natalia, and
00:14:16thank you for doing what you do
00:14:20in such difficult conditions, that is, informing
00:14:24people about the situation in Kyiv. Natalia
00:14:27Starepravo, our journalist, who was at
00:14:31the scene of the hit, one of the hits, but this is
00:14:34ballistics, first one arrived, then two more,
00:14:37now another one is circling, they say, right now over Kyiv
00:14:41another drone is maneuvering, but these
00:14:44hits are just, well, everywhere,
00:14:47forest, this is the embankment, this is the beach, on
00:14:51which now there are no, well, practically no people, these are boats,
00:14:54that is... well, what strategic things are there to hit with a multi-million dollar missile,
00:14:58I just don't understand, there is a river bay,
00:15:01a wolf's throat, and boats are stored for
00:15:04winter, that's all, well, that is, that's how it
00:15:08generally looks, this multi-million dollar missile was programmed by someone
00:15:12in Moscow, someone gave the green light, someone
00:15:15said launch, and that is, I
00:15:19see, even this
00:15:21senseless, in principle, and useless organization.
00:15:25It provides statistics as of September
00:15:29on 17,500
00:15:32Ukrainians killed, almost a thousand of whom are children, 56,000
00:15:35wounded, that is... actually about terror, that is, these are
00:15:39not war figures, absolutely not war figures, and we see that now this
00:15:43is the main target for Russia, these are people
00:15:47in the rear, these are children,
00:15:50which is the most terrible thing in all of this, and for
00:15:53example, from Zaporizhzhia yes, it was attacked
00:15:56again, and there are already 17
00:16:00dead, and that video,
00:16:03those photos that we see from the hit site, what the Russians
00:16:07did to a five-story building, what was left
00:16:10of the building, it's impossible to
00:16:14survive after that, after
00:16:17such destruction, that is, it's some kind of, it's just that we
00:16:20show these shots, yes, we show what remains after
00:16:24the arrival of Russian missiles,
00:16:27Russian shells, well, the SES employees say that
00:16:31it is very dangerous to survive in
00:16:34buildings with these striking capabilities. Why
00:16:55do two walls still make sense, if you didn't
00:16:59manage to hide in
00:17:01a shelter, it's from high-speed glass fragments
00:17:05that just cut through everything in... That's
00:17:08the only thing two walls protect against, it's not 2022
00:17:11or 2023, when two walls saved from
00:17:15Iranian, Iranian-Russian peaceful
00:17:18Shaheds, as they said, but now these are completely different
00:17:22warheads, moreover, we see that the enemy relies on
00:17:26slow small missiles, that is, on Geranium 5, which
00:17:30have a larger warhead than Shaheds, and on
00:17:33different types of missiles, and this is generally for such, well, let's say...
00:17:37weak structures, such as Khrushchev
00:17:40buildings, yes, this is simply destructive force, and we have already
00:17:43seen this, well, and we also need to add, as the residents of
00:17:47northern cities of Ukraine
00:17:50say, KABs are also dangerous for such buildings,
00:17:53they reach there, and simply carry a large
00:17:57tonnage, multi-ton cargoes, it
00:18:01just crushes you and that's it,
00:18:05and how to deal with this, how in all this? foreigners
00:18:08admire our resilience, but I think that this is no longer even resilience,
00:18:12they just wonder where we get these forces, where Ukrainians get these
00:18:15forces, simply out of hopelessness, and how else, well,
00:18:19we just won't all leave the whole country, well, in this
00:18:22case, yes, this is the same as Natalia just told us, how
00:18:26Kyiv residents react to the call, it's better
00:18:29to leave the city, here
00:18:32we take about 2.5-3 million Kyiv residents as
00:18:35the average official. I don't think 3 million
00:18:39people have dachas around, I think that now, what
00:18:43Putin is doing, and I don't know, he probably is trying to achieve
00:18:47that, just to break the largest, most populated city
00:18:50of Ukraine, Kyiv, but this is not the first time for them, we
00:18:54recently recalled how the disgraced General
00:18:57Armageddon, Surovikin, was again discharged from
00:19:00Africa, there, yes, and at this
00:19:03moment we, we also recall how they leveled
00:19:06with bombs. missiles and the historical pearl city
00:19:10of Aleppo in Syria, that is, this is not the first time, well,
00:19:14and residents, who dream of
00:19:17Bakhmut and other cities of Donetsk region can also
00:19:20say that it is very difficult to
00:19:23say this city about this burnt-out
00:19:26wreckage of ruins and construction debris, that is, this is not
00:19:29the first time, and therefore I just want to
00:19:33understand, are there possibilities to turn
00:19:36such a large... multi-million city in terms of area
00:19:39into Bakhmut and Aleppo, and
00:19:43who knows best how to
00:19:47endure and continue to work, teach children underground,
00:19:50this is probably Zaporizhzhia's experience, because everything flies there,
00:19:54absolutely everything, yes, and
00:19:56Zaporizhzhia, and despite everything, there are people
00:20:00who, in those difficult conditions, are still trying to help
00:20:04others. Now we will talk to the coordinator of the Zaporizhzhia branch of the public
00:20:07organization Dobrobat, Andriy Razin, he is in touch with us,
00:20:11specifically about the latest hits and about
00:20:14the number of
00:20:16people Putin deprived of life,
00:20:2017 dead in Zaporizhzhia, Mr. Andriy, greetings
00:20:23to you.
00:20:26Hello, these are terrible shots that we
00:20:28see, I don't know how anyone could have survived
00:20:32in what Russia turned this house
00:20:35into, any life, Mr. Andriy,
00:20:37what do you say, you were there at the scene,
00:20:41how, how does it all look?
00:20:44Well, it looks
00:20:47horrible. And this is the second morning that
00:20:51we start, let's say, low-key. Currently,
00:20:54search and rescue operations are underway,
00:20:5817 people killed, including three
00:21:02children, and more people may still be under
00:21:05the rubble, well, they say that 11 people are not in
00:21:09contact, I don't know, I
00:21:11look at those photos and at
00:21:14those videos from the scene, I don't know if
00:21:18anyone could have survived, you
00:21:22are often at such facilities
00:21:26according to your experience,
00:21:30is there hope?
00:21:33I believe there is hope, literally
00:21:37about an hour ago, yes, a girl
00:21:40was pulled out, she is alive, so
00:21:43there is hope that there will still be people alive
00:21:46under the rubble. Mr. Andriy, could you tell
00:21:50us about this strike, that neither children
00:21:53nor adults ignored the alarm
00:21:56signal, and therefore everyone was in the house
00:22:00at that moment, or was there
00:22:03no warning at all,
00:22:06because there are so many dead.
00:22:10Well, it's hard to say, they constantly shell
00:22:13us with KABs,
00:22:16our week began with the shelling
00:22:19of our... bridge crossings,
00:22:23so, well, this is the second morning today, it's probably
00:22:274:48, well, about 5 o'clock,
00:22:30yesterday at 1:56 a.m. they shelled us with
00:22:34guided aerial bombs,
00:22:38so we were told from Zaporizhzhia
00:22:41that in principle there is a special warning,
00:22:44specifically when there are KABs, so that's why I
00:22:47asked you, that is, I understand, it was deliberately
00:22:51chosen such a time when people are, well, really, it's before
00:22:54dawn, well, they are sleeping, well, it's hard to wake up, it's hard
00:22:58to get the children up and go, but was there a specific
00:23:01sound warning for KABs or
00:23:04not?
00:23:06Yes, there was a warning, warnings
00:23:09constantly come to our
00:23:12phones, well,
00:23:16the city
00:23:19is trying to... prepare for front-line
00:23:22life, but, let's say,
00:23:25the warning is such a thing, you know that
00:23:28we are very close to
00:23:31the demarcation line,
00:23:33so,
00:23:36let's say, that is, what is the time between the signal and
00:23:40the actual arrival of a guided aerial bomb, how much time is there
00:23:44in different ways,
00:23:48sometimes, well, 10 minutes.
00:23:55Zaporizhzhia a peaceful day and, of course, we wish for a miracle, so that really, under
00:23:59those rubble, under what Russia did to the
00:24:02five-story building, the residential building,
00:24:05that people remain alive there.
00:24:08Andriy Razin, coordinator of the Zaporizhzhia branch of the Dobrobat public organization, was
00:24:12in touch with us, dear friends, emergency workers say that three
00:24:15people were unblocked, so Mr. Andriy
00:24:17says. We hope for a miracle and for the quick work
00:24:21of rescuers who are doing simply incredible things in the conditions
00:24:24in which Zaporizhzhia is now living. Valeriy Borovyk,
00:24:28founder of the company that produces defense products First Contact, participant in combat
00:24:32operations, we will talk to him,
00:24:34in particular about strikes on the west of
00:24:37the country, where jet drones are already
00:24:40reaching, I specifically studied this yesterday, we were
00:24:44in Ivano-Frankivsk with colleagues, so such a concert with...
00:24:47with geraniums without an orchestra
00:24:50in the center of Frankivsk,
00:24:52really, Frankivsk residents showed, by the way, a large number of people in
00:24:56open areas, there is an alarm signal,
00:25:00Shaheds, everyone to shelters, everyone to
00:25:03shelters immediately, air defense is working, and then
00:25:06everyone returns normally from the battle, that's how it all looked in
00:25:09Frankivsk, but this is already the second, second day in a row
00:25:12for Frankivsk, and Lviv was the first time, right? Lviv was the first time, in fact, yes,
00:25:16air defense destroyed this jet. But Mr. Valeriy,
00:25:20what does this mean, now this is a new reality also for the west
00:25:24of the country?
00:25:25Look, I want to react to the fact that
00:25:28Frankivsk residents went immediately, you understand that they are not attacked
00:25:32as regularly as Kyiv residents, and therefore when there is
00:25:35every half
00:25:38hour, sometimes,
00:25:40an alarm,
00:25:43an alarm cancellation, an alarm, an alarm cancellation, then you don't run around like that, but
00:25:46unfortunately, we have to do it. As for
00:25:50Western Ukraine, well, look, here's simple
00:25:53physics, that is, jet drones have,
00:25:56consume a lot of fuel, they fly at high speed and...
00:26:00and they fly, figuratively speaking, at shorter
00:26:04distances, depending on their design,
00:26:07than drones with internal combustion engines, which fly slower, well, and
00:26:11even then fast, over 200 km, but still
00:26:14slower, and - they can
00:26:17fly in economic mode,
00:26:20so - the arrivals
00:26:23of missiles
00:26:26there of relevant
00:26:30and there jet drones there. as we call them, not
00:26:34missiles, it means they can be
00:26:37rarer, depending, I repeat, on the design,
00:26:41technical characteristics and the implementation
00:26:45itself, scaling of different types
00:26:48of apparatus, can
00:26:51the west be,
00:26:53conditionally, in the same danger as
00:26:56all of Ukraine, I will say that you need to prepare for
00:27:00this. Uh-huh.
00:27:07I'll voice this thesis: everyone must understand that everyone in our country is
00:27:10a warrior, and inside you,
00:27:13inside yourself, do not divide into those who
00:27:16protect you, and
00:27:19yourself as a civilian, because now the war
00:27:22has actually come to every home, so you need to
00:27:26make your contributions to this victory, and
00:27:30you don't just need to make your contributions. You need to
00:27:33psychologically understand that you are on the defense, and you can also
00:27:37suffer and not point at someone else, that someone else has to
00:27:40protect you, but to do these things yourself, which
00:27:44can protect you and understand that you are also
00:27:47on the front line. We have some statistics from the Air Force,
00:27:50yes, that is, for example,
00:27:53160
00:27:55her drones, well, here we understand that among them were these
00:27:58reactive ones, because more than half
00:28:02of them are reactive, and there are still hits in 14
00:28:06locations, here the arithmetic is slightly different than in those times when we had
00:28:09mobile groups working, and in this
00:28:13case we see that even our neighbors have been scrambling aviation
00:28:16for two nights in a row, and we understand that for now
00:28:20these, as you say, "under-missiles" or
00:28:23jet-engine propelled ones at 600-700 km/h,
00:28:27quite high-speed targets, are working, and in this case
00:28:31the role of aviation
00:28:33and of course missiles, air-to-air, which need to shoot down
00:28:37all this. And here, in parallel, we hear about
00:28:40Gripen, about them preparing us, that they will be
00:28:44hurrying up the transfer of F-16s, and that
00:28:48something, for example, Finland is now giving us exactly for
00:28:52F-16s, so tell us,
00:28:55Mr. Valeriy, whether
00:28:59we in this case
00:29:01have the readiness to shoot down more, or do we have
00:29:05aerial means to chase those high-speed targets and
00:29:08destroy them?
00:29:11Look, the air defense system of Ukraine
00:29:14and air defense are part of
00:29:16the air forces, it's a puzzle of many
00:29:20components, so
00:29:23the air component is one of
00:29:26the few, out of many components, so yes, through...
00:29:29F-16s can shoot down missiles,
00:29:32and missiles
00:29:35are quite expensive,
00:29:38and so that you understand,
00:29:42from 1.3 to 2.4 million
00:29:45is the cost of one missile, so
00:29:48now M-61 machine guns that are on
00:29:52F-16s are being used quite well, but this is not
00:29:54a panacea, it's an expensive thing,
00:29:58it's cheap, so to speak, in terms of shots,
00:30:02but the work of F-16s, maintenance, and so
00:30:06on, on duty, all this
00:30:09affects the cost of shooting down, so we are going
00:30:12down the path of reactive interceptors
00:30:15with subsequent scaling of
00:30:18a normal solution that will be worked out, and
00:30:21also down the path of missiles, small
00:30:24missiles, inexpensive, with
00:30:27new types of seeker heads for...
00:30:30well, connected
00:30:37to the seeker head with video guidance,
00:30:39so these things are
00:30:43part of the puzzle, the next, the next part is
00:30:47EW complexes, which are supposed to shoot down
00:30:50styles, shoot down missile
00:30:53navigation, this is
00:30:57what is essential.