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00:03:41Hello, you are watching the Center of Europe with Maria Hurska and Vitaliy
00:03:44Portnikov. Vitaliy Portnikov is with us online.
00:03:48Hello.
00:03:50Hello. Well, Vitaliy, as always,
00:03:53let's start with the hottest, most urgent news
00:03:57for us. And, in principle, we
00:04:00can say that this is exactly the news that
00:04:04is reported by one side of the telegraph, and on the other hand, Ukrainians living in
00:04:07Ukraine can see and feel it
00:04:11themselves. Putin took on
00:04:13the infrastructure, the bridges of Kyiv, and for this, General Surovikin with
00:04:17the nickname Armageddon was involved, writes the British publication and
00:04:20emphasizes that this Russian
00:04:24war criminal was involved in the destruction of the Syrian city of
00:04:27Aleppo, during which thousands of
00:04:30civilians died. Well, let's figure out why Kyiv is not Aleppo and what
00:04:34to expect in Ukraine?
00:04:37Well, I think that Surovikin can be considered
00:04:40quite capable
00:04:44military man, but I would not compare
00:04:47Syria with Ukraine for one simple reason, that in
00:04:51Syria the Syrian opposition waged
00:04:53a war, one could say, not on
00:04:56equal terms, with both the government army and...
00:05:00with the armies of Russia and Iran, it had no possibility
00:05:04to control the sky, it had no air defense,
00:05:07Ukraine is a state
00:05:11with an army. national, this is not
00:05:14opposition to some regime,
00:05:17Ukraine can protect its sky, which means the level of protection of this sky
00:05:21needs to be increased, how much of the bridge
00:05:24infrastructure in Kyiv can be destroyed at all, this is a big question,
00:05:28because this infrastructure was built, many
00:05:31bridges were built with the expectation of a nuclear war, of course, now
00:05:35technologies are changing very seriously, but we
00:05:38understand that Putin's desire to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure is
00:05:42absolutely logical from the point of view of the tasks he sets for himself,
00:05:45and by the way, this speed indicates that
00:05:49the Russian resource is running out, and Putin understands this, but it is clear
00:05:52how we need to defend ourselves, I hope, in such
00:05:55danger. Military experts are convinced that in order
00:05:59to stop attacks on bridges, it is necessary to strengthen Ukraine's air defense
00:06:02and shoot down jet drones on the approaches to Kyiv.
00:06:06The government has already made a loud statement about the construction of embankment
00:06:09dams, pontoons across the Dnieper, and according to... Minister
00:06:13Kalashnyk of infrastructure and transport, locations
00:06:17where such construction will take place have already been determined, the construction
00:06:20of the structures will take, according to this report, up to three
00:06:24months, do we, first of all, have three months, when it comes to the fact that
00:06:28in three months, it's already December, how
00:06:30to build something in such conditions,
00:06:33of intensified shelling, and why preparations for actions in case of an infrastructure
00:06:37crisis were absent until this moment? What
00:06:40is your view? Well, this is a very good question. This is what
00:06:44we always talk about when we talk about the professionalism
00:06:48of the leadership.
00:06:50You understand? When
00:06:52people do not understand what the meaning of professionalism is,
00:06:56they should look at the current
00:06:58situation. And ask, why didn't you prepare for
00:07:02one, for another, for a third? And do you
00:07:05remember that once the current president said
00:07:08that he had no time to think strategically. Well,
00:07:11if there's no time, then there's no time, so that's how we'll live, it's surprising
00:07:15that indeed the government,
00:07:18both at the national level and at the local
00:07:21level, but this is primarily a national responsibility, because the country has
00:07:25military administrations, including in Kyiv, and the leadership of these
00:07:28administrations is appointed by the President of Ukraine, so let's not
00:07:32increase the capabilities of local self-government in this
00:07:35case, why the government did not understand that such attacks could happen,
00:07:39but it seems to me that this is a people's government. Just as people don't expect the war to
00:07:42end soon, the government might also hope for it,
00:07:46about this,
00:07:49we must understand that the main thing that our
00:07:53efforts were focused on, always, I mean not the army, but the civilian leadership
00:07:57of the country, was to please, it's good PR, well, the words
00:08:00about 40 days - that's beautiful PR,
00:08:0340 days of forcing Russia into peace, well, now this presidential phrase
00:08:07has been forgotten, as many of his phrases have been forgotten.
00:08:11But I think that from the point of view of his PR managers, it
00:08:13looked effective, we should now
00:08:16prepare for electricity problems, it's
00:08:19tedious work, it's not visible, it's not interesting, so we don't
00:08:23deal with it, we will now return to the topic of protecting
00:08:27Ukrainian cities, in the meantime I read
00:08:30such news in Ukrainian media citing
00:08:34the main department of the National Police in Rivne region, that Russian special services with
00:08:37the help of Telegram recruited
00:08:41a 14-year-old Ukrainian girl from
00:08:43Rivne region, and at the behest of Russian special services, she killed
00:08:47a serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, that is, first
00:08:50she poisoned, and then killed, and right before our
00:08:53eyes, a hybrid war spills into
00:08:56cyberspace and
00:08:59involves in committing its crimes Russia with
00:09:02the help of its special services, including children, and I wanted
00:09:06it to be, but on the other hand, it looks like some kind of science fiction,
00:09:09honestly, I'm telling you that we live in a situation of
00:09:13PR, we don't know what really happened there,
00:09:16why, why would Russian special services recruit
00:09:20a child to kill a serviceman, what's in it? That's, that's the conclusions
00:09:23of the main department of the National Police in Rivne region, it's not me.
00:09:26I understand, well, the main department of the National Police in Rivne region also
00:09:30might want to show, I would say, the effectiveness and importance of its
00:09:34work, possibly, but I just, I just, why
00:09:37generally, why generally did I take on this message, because we
00:09:40are talking about this on the day when
00:09:43in Poland a significant part of schools and
00:09:47kindergartens are closed
00:09:51due to such a series of attacks in
00:09:54schools, I emphasize that as of now, over
00:09:5810 people have been detained in these cases throughout Poland,
00:10:01and law enforcement officers checked over 10,000 educational
00:10:05institutions throughout the country, the police strengthened patrols and plan
00:10:09inspections directly in educational institutions, this was announced by
00:10:12the Police Headquarters of Poland and the Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs and
00:10:16Administration Szypański, and
00:10:19in fact, this is really shocking, because these attacks
00:10:21took place
00:10:24on... some part was preventively
00:10:27anticipated on October 9th, and all this
00:10:31is some attacks with the use of
00:10:34cold weapons, either carried out
00:10:35or planned with
00:10:38cold weapons, and by children
00:10:42in fact in schools against
00:10:44peers or employees of these schools, and in fact, it is very
00:10:48interesting to hear the results of the investigation,
00:10:51because all this forms some single story, and honestly...
00:10:57it looks very alarming, the security committee gathered
00:11:00in Poland, the Prime Minister spoke on this topic,
00:11:03the Minister of Education and
00:11:06law enforcement officials spoke, saying that this is actually the consequences
00:11:10of what is happening in cyberspace, and it is obvious that in
00:11:13cyberspace, Russia is actively operating in digital,
00:11:16well, and how you, but this does not mean that all incidents we
00:11:20encounter can now be attributed to Russian activity.
00:11:23We need to carefully look at the reasons for all these attacks, maybe
00:11:27it's really some situation related to some
00:11:31community creation in social networks, some tasks
00:11:34assigned to children, these are all very dangerous moments, but you know, when
00:11:38we start blaming everything on the Russian Federation, then it
00:11:42actually destabilizes
00:11:44law enforcement agencies in our countries, I'm telling you again, when we
00:11:48say that a 14-year-old girl was recruited to
00:11:52kill a serviceman, then the question arises, why... would the Russian Federation
00:11:55kill a specific serviceman, when we have
00:11:58a million of them, with the forces of some 14-year-old girl, well,
00:12:01of course, if it's some, I'm with you, I'll argue, look, let's
00:12:05take the Parubiy case, with the murder of a Ukrainian
00:12:08leader, one of the leaders of the Maidan,
00:12:11a prominent pro-European
00:12:14politician, who died as a result
00:12:18of an assassination attempt on him,
00:12:20the father of a Ukrainian
00:12:23serviceman and veteran,
00:12:26and as Ukrainian law enforcement officers found out, this was also
00:12:30an activity, this person had absolutely obvious pro-Russian
00:12:33views, which could differ from the views of his son,
00:12:37once, a serviceman can also be a person with pro-Russian
00:12:41views, we don't know what kind of people are mobilized, I'm not even talking about
00:12:44that as a result of some self-appointed basification, the army can have both
00:12:48Ukrainian patriots and people who are waiting for Moscow to come and got into
00:12:52this army simply because... this is mobilization, it's not
00:12:55an army of people with specific political views, it's an army
00:12:57of citizens, but this particular serviceman, as you remember, was
00:13:01a Ukrainian patriot, and his father was not, and I'm not even talking about
00:13:04something else, we're not even talking about the perpetrator of the crime, but about a woman, but about
00:13:08a victim, it's one thing to kill a Ukrainian politician,
00:13:11a former head of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, whom Russians
00:13:15always accused of thwarting their plans in
00:13:18Odesa, to take revenge for the fact that they failed
00:13:21to capture Odesa, the same... by the way, I believe, applies to Iryna
00:13:25Farion, I still don't believe that this Zinchenko,
00:13:28who was now imprisoned for
00:13:31life, to life imprisonment, who
00:13:34was sentenced to life imprisonment, acted
00:13:38independently. Iryna Farion,
00:13:41a prominent public figure with tough, I would
00:13:44say, statements that might not have been liked by either
00:13:48Russian special services or a certain part of society, we know this very well.
00:13:51And when it comes to an anonymous
00:13:55serviceman,
00:13:57there is no sense in spending
00:14:00such efforts on him, but there may
00:14:03be a desire of special services to increase the significance of their
00:14:07work as a result of such reports, this can also
00:14:10be, I repeat, instead of dealing with
00:14:12crime prevention, we will, we will create such
00:14:15stories, if crimes are controlled by
00:14:19Russian special services and committed... with the help of
00:14:22the Internet, in particular with the help of
00:14:25vulnerable groups
00:14:29of people, people
00:14:33with Maria, Russian special services are a highly professional
00:14:37organization that will find
00:14:40opportunities for destabilization in specific, absolutely thought-out
00:14:44actions, it's not some group of people who
00:14:47sits in a basement and decides something, it's a department that needs
00:14:50to report, and when you come...
00:14:54to the colonel of the Federal Security Service and say that a child killed some soldier,
00:14:58they will ask you why, what, what for what? And again, we
00:15:02do not know the identity of this serviceman, if it is some
00:15:05high-ranking serviceman, who participated in
00:15:09some serious matters, then of course it could be important for the Russians
00:15:13to eliminate him from any point of view, and we don't know
00:15:16the details of this story, I absolutely admit that we
00:15:20may be dealing with a domestic conflict...
00:15:23can be presented in such a report as actions of
00:15:27Russian special services, because it's easier than investigating such a case,
00:15:30well, but there is also the story in Polish Jarosław.
00:15:34where today it became known that
00:15:37a 31-year-old Ukrainian, who attacked
00:15:41Polish monks in a monastery, which helped
00:15:45Ukrainians from the beginning
00:15:47of the Russian full-scale aggression, and
00:15:51actually confessed to the crime, and Polish
00:15:54prosecutors appealed to Ukraine with
00:15:57a request for help in conducting the investigation and
00:16:00to help with the interrogation of the suspect's mother, well, that is, in
00:16:04this case, everything is also... very somehow
00:16:07mysterious on the one hand, and on the other hand, in our, that this person was sent for
00:16:11a psychiatric examination, as far as I remember, I think
00:16:14so, I don't know the results of this psychiatric examination yet, but the fact is that Polish
00:16:18law enforcement officers asked to speak, a person with
00:16:22a Ukrainian citizen's passport can be a person with any
00:16:26political views, from pro-Putin, pro-Russian, to
00:16:29Ukrainian, national, but imagine, this
00:16:32is not a sign of quality, it's just
00:16:36a statement of residence in a certain area,
00:16:39I say this all the time, when we talk about Ukrainians, about
00:16:43good Russians, I always remind, a passport, it
00:16:46testifies to absolutely nothing,
00:16:49a Ukrainian passport can be held by a Putinist who will
00:16:52direct
00:16:55Russian missiles at his own city, by the way, like now a Ukrainian citizen
00:16:58who directed Russian missiles
00:17:01at the Yavoriv military training ground died in prison,
00:17:05a Russian passport can be held by a true hero who will support
00:17:08Ukraine in the fight against Russian invaders, a passport is
00:17:11just a piece of cardboard,
00:17:14which allows a person to choose an identity, but also allows
00:17:18to abandon this identity. Therefore,
00:17:21when we start talking, a Ukrainian attacked monks,
00:17:24a citizen of Ukraine, who may have views
00:17:28absolutely incompatible with Ukrainian statehood, who may have
00:17:32mental illnesses,
00:17:35judging all Ukrainians by... a person with a Ukrainian passport,
00:17:39it's like judging millions
00:17:41of Muslims by Islamic radicals who destroy Palmyra
00:17:45or carry out terrorist acts, well, the priests of this monastery said this to
00:17:49their Polish parishioners, but I'm talking
00:17:52a little bit about something else, today on our air in the morning, Slava
00:17:56our colleague, a Polish journalist and cook, who
00:18:00constantly informs the Polish audience about what is happening in
00:18:03Ukraine, particularly in Kyiv, joins... from the shelling sites, tells Poles
00:18:07about the consequences of these shellings, about what is happening,
00:18:11talks with the victims of these shellings, he
00:18:14said that it had never been like this before, that Poles and Ukrainians would run around
00:18:18with knives and attack someone with such intensity, and
00:18:21if the Polish prime minister reports at a government meeting
00:18:25and says that this is actually the result of what is happening in
00:18:29cyberspace, and we know that Russia is intensely waging its
00:18:33hybrid war there, then all this looks
00:18:36very alarming and the question is how to counteract this,
00:18:40when, well, as if, let's
00:18:43remember that already during the Second
00:18:47World War, Russian special services actively participated
00:18:50in igniting the Volyn crime and
00:18:54dressed up, particularly in the uniform of Ukrainian
00:18:57insurgents to commit crimes, these
00:19:00are proven facts, which, in particular, the last historical
00:19:04Ukrainian commission handed over to the Polish side with newly
00:19:07disclosed archives, so this is not some news, it
00:19:10happened 100 years ago, it is happening today,
00:19:14the question is how to effectively counteract this, what to do
00:19:17with this cyberspace, which takes up more and
00:19:21more space in our lives with the development of technology, which
00:19:25Russia also actively exploits and allocates huge budgets for, which
00:19:29are disproportionate, incomparable with what
00:19:32the developed West can counter this with, this is
00:19:35the question, well, first of all... which again, and we always
00:19:39talk about information verification,
00:19:41what is happening, for example, with
00:19:43TikToks, the interest of teenagers in TikTok,
00:19:47and what can emerge there,
00:19:50if these algorithms are not controlled, they certainly become
00:19:53a tool of information warfare, and why in the United States they tried
00:19:57to ban TikTok, and then, when Donald Trump
00:20:00became president of the United States, as you remember, they agreed to sell
00:20:04the American part of TikTok to companies close to the American
00:20:09president, well, because they understood that they had ceased to control
00:20:12their own information space. Donald Trump interpreted this as that
00:20:16it is better that he controls this information space than the Chinese,
00:20:20but I think that this is a temporary situation, which will certainly
00:20:23change after
00:20:26Donald Trump leaves the Oval
00:20:28Office, because it cannot continue like that, but
00:20:32the most important thing is that the very idea
00:20:36of banning... TikTok in the most democratic country
00:20:40in the world, where an amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech operates,
00:20:43doesn't this tell you anything that such an idea generally
00:20:46arose? In the United States, you cannot...
00:20:50anything, no book,
00:20:52no extremist literature, well, in
00:20:56European countries, mostly the publication
00:20:58of the famous
00:21:00manifesto of Adolf Hitler: "Mein
00:21:03Kampf" is prohibited. And in the United States, you can freely
00:21:06publish this book, read it, reprint it. You cannot
00:21:10ban books there, because it is freedom
00:21:13of speech. And here with TikTok, as you can see, a completely
00:21:16different situation has occurred, because... we are starting to live in a completely different
00:21:20world, well, by the way, it's not only about
00:21:23Poland and the situation with cyberspace, in Ukraine the government
00:21:26itself made it so that
00:21:29it practically lost control over
00:21:32information flows, because after 2022, or maybe
00:21:36earlier, it relied on anonymous channels in Telegram,
00:21:40which are used to fight opponents of the current government and at the same
00:21:43time bear no responsibility for
00:21:46the false information they disseminate about these opponents.
00:21:51And in fact, the vast majority of Ukrainians
00:21:54use anonymous news, thus Ukrainian society can
00:21:58fall for any silly provocation, because people have already
00:22:01gotten used to the fact that they receive news from those who are not
00:22:05responsible for anything, and such people are certainly very
00:22:08vulnerable and susceptible to manipulation of any
00:22:11level. Look, how
00:22:14we even in the West see, when we open
00:22:17Telegram, a huge number of channels
00:22:21that you cannot read without a VPN, because Russian
00:22:24state Telegram channels, let's say, are prohibited from use in the vast
00:22:28majority of Western countries, in Ukraine there is no such thing, Maria, in
00:22:32Ukraine you can, in a country where Russian TV channels are officially banned,
00:22:36there are no Russian social networks, you can
00:22:39absolutely calmly, now I will open my tablet and read
00:22:43information from Ria Novosti, from TASS, from the channels
00:22:47of propagandist Solovyov, all this is allowed to me. in open
00:22:51access, and at the same time, we are talking about Telegram, from which
00:22:5470-80% of the population has access to
00:22:58resources, and therefore to Russian information resources, what are we even
00:23:01talking about, Ukraine's struggle on the information
00:23:05front is already practically 100% losing to
00:23:08Russian information expansion, because Telegram is the main battlefield,
00:23:12lost by Ukraine,
00:23:15in the Ukrainian, if you want, segment of Telegram, Russian state
00:23:18channels and Ukrainian
00:23:21anonymous channels associated with the Office of the President of Ukraine and relevant
00:23:25propaganda structures working for this office are actively operating. And very often
00:23:29Russian propaganda channels pretend to be channels of the office, so
00:23:33that Ukrainians reading channels prepared in Moscow,
00:23:37directly in the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, thought they were reading Balkova's
00:23:40channels. Therefore, one can agree with those
00:23:43Ukrainian people's deputies who emphasize
00:23:47that Telegram in Ukraine needs to be blocked,
00:23:50as this resource is connected with Russia and therefore in any
00:23:53case, one way or another, serves it, secondly,
00:23:57it is good that the Polish government, after a series of knife attacks in schools, called on parliament
00:24:01to urgently adopt legislative changes that will allow
00:24:04to quickly block illegal content on the Internet,
00:24:08including materials with calls for violence and murders, which is
00:24:11obviously now beneficial
00:24:14to Russia, well, and thirdly, here one can only agree with those
00:24:18European changes that will probably
00:24:20also be implemented in Ukraine, regarding the restriction
00:24:23of children's access
00:24:26to social networks and unlimited use of
00:24:30smartphones, because this is obviously
00:24:33also exploited and used by Russian
00:24:37hybrid services, and frankly, it's just harmful, you need
00:24:40to read books and
00:24:43study. Well, let's go back to our
00:24:47hot topics and let's watch
00:24:50the story prepared by the editorial board of Slava about
00:24:54how Russia terrorized
00:24:57Ukrainians this week
00:25:00with shelling, rocket and
00:25:03drone attacks, we bow our heads to all who
00:25:06died in Pryluky,
00:25:09in Kramatorsk, in other cities, and
00:25:12we will watch the material, we will return to the
00:25:14discussion.
00:25:18On the black morning of October 7, a Russian.
00:25:21residential building in Pryluky, Chernihiv region, turned two entrances
00:25:25of the building
00:25:26into ruins.
00:25:30If someone had been in our apartment, they would not have been alive, they would have been
00:25:33gone. Our walls cracked from the inside, this curtain,
00:25:37tulle, all of this was twisted, like this into the wall and the wall cracked
00:25:41in half. No one would have survived, even if they had wanted
00:25:43to.
00:25:52here from the city of Sumy in the hope of somehow protecting themselves and
00:25:55their family from everything that is happening,
00:25:59but now the situation is such that there is no safe
00:26:02place in Ukraine. The strike at six in the morning claimed the lives
00:26:06of 22 people. Among them five are children. More than
00:26:09fifty people were
00:26:10injured.
00:26:17Whole families became victims of the attack. 58-year-old Viktoria
00:26:21Bondarenko, her daughter Kateryna and one-year-old grandson Sashko died. The couple
00:26:25Daria and Oleksandr Maksyud and their one-and-a-half-year-old son Kyrylo. The Ivanchenko family,
00:26:28Yulia and Oleksandr and their children, are gone.
00:26:40In the morning, when people were still sleeping, Russian troops attacked Kremenchuk, Poltava region. This attack became the most massive for the city
00:26:44since the beginning of the war, more than 400 apartments were damaged,
00:26:47a whole street turned into ruins, two people died, almost
00:26:51fifty were injured. Were you under
00:26:54the rubble? The wall fell on me, and
00:26:57practically, the firefighters pulled
00:27:00out the house.
00:27:07In total, on October 7, Russia launched almost fifty cruise and ballistic missiles and 130
00:27:10drones at Ukraine, attacked 12
00:27:14regions and Kyiv, specifically hitting residential buildings, warehouses and
00:27:17energy facilities.
00:27:21On October 8, a shocking attack in Kramatorsk in Donetsk region,
00:27:24Russians specifically hit two passenger buses and
00:27:28a stop with a guided aerial bomb, killing 33
00:27:31people. Seriously wounded in the European Commission in response to the attack
00:27:35stated that the perpetrators and accomplices of this and other crimes
00:27:38of the Russian Federation must be
00:27:39punished.
00:27:42The search and rescue operation in Pryluky lasted 27 hours. Rescuers
00:27:46worked all night and pulled 15 people alive from under the rubble.
00:27:49On October 8, President Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andriy
00:27:53Sebiha, and British Foreign Minister Ed Miliband visited
00:27:56the attack site. He condemned Vladimir
00:28:00Putin's tactic of terror against civilians. Putin once said that he was going
00:28:04to win on the battlefield. He is trying to win
00:28:07by terrorizing the civilian population. I don't believe he
00:28:10will succeed. I don't believe he will win. On the same day,
00:28:13Great Britain imposed a large package of sanctions against the Russian Federation.
00:28:16Oil refining, the shadow fleet, financial institutions, and
00:28:20companies that help finance the Kremlin's war
00:28:23machine were subject to restrictions.
00:28:27Vitaliy, let's figure it out. Well, first, the Minister
00:28:30of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Sebiha stated that on Putin's birthday, Russian
00:28:34generals presented him with his favorite gift, war crimes. Was such
00:28:38a truly terrible crime against
00:28:42Ukrainians in Pryluky connected with his birthday, or is it
00:28:46somehow just that every day they are
00:28:50ready to kill Ukrainians in such numbers, or did Putin order
00:28:53such a gift, or does this even relate to his
00:28:56birthday, to which, among others,
00:28:59former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder came?
00:29:04I am sure that this has to do with his birthday, I don't think he specifically
00:29:08ordered anything, but this was a special attack, the most
00:29:11intense attack in recent times, they gathered
00:29:14rockets
00:29:18and drones for this attack, so I am just sure that
00:29:21this was exactly for October 7, and I am not
00:29:25sure it was a custom gift, it was a
00:29:27surprise, well, on the other hand, you remember that Anna
00:29:30Politkovskaya, the Russian opposition journalist,
00:29:34who told a lot of truth about Putin, about
00:29:38the war in Chechnya, who was a harsh critic
00:29:41of the regime that was established in Russia after Putin became
00:29:45president of the country. The surname
00:29:48Mazepa. So she was, of course, of Ukrainian
00:29:52ethnic origin, she was killed on Putin's
00:29:55birthday.
00:29:58I remember this very well, because I met her just a few days before
00:30:01her murder. and we were just
00:30:05discussing what else they could invent, what else they could
00:30:08do,
00:30:10well, so it's, I would
00:30:14say, in Russia, it's generally a tradition on his
00:30:17birthday to come up with something that he would
00:30:20like. Everyone can
00:30:23make a gift to the President
00:30:27of Russia in their own way, let's say, some services,
00:30:31ensured the death
00:30:33of Politkovskaya,
00:30:36even from Grozny, they thought he would like Anna's
00:30:39death.
00:30:43The army that is loyal to him, the generals for whom he
00:30:47started the war, you understand that war for a general is happiness, because
00:30:50it's financial flows, it's new ranks, it's new
00:30:53orders, so they are immensely grateful to him for the opportunity
00:30:57to fight, because...