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00:00:00no chances of negotiation. Well, what are you deceiving yourselves with? Why are you living in this fabricated
00:00:04world? The same thing starts when we talk about
00:00:08Trump. Well, Trump sees a world in which there is
00:00:11room for three leaders: the President of the United States,
00:00:15the President of the Russian Federation, and the Chairman of the Chinese
00:00:19People's Republic. Everything that does not fit into
00:00:22this worldview interferes, it must be
00:00:25cut off. It's like Procrustean bed.
00:00:31That's why Europe annoys him so much.
00:00:35That's why he would
00:00:37like to destroy European unions. He always
00:00:41actually supported any forces that wanted to leave
00:00:45the European Union. He was a real supporter of Brexit, because,
00:00:49and by the way, the British fell for it, and now
00:00:52what? It turned out that he doesn't need them, because they are still
00:00:55not Putin and not Xi Jinping. He just doesn't
00:00:58understand their significance.
00:01:01The same applies to
00:01:04Taiwan.
00:01:07The United States, since the resumption of diplomatic relations with Beijing,
00:01:10has always maintained a policy of supporting Taiwan. Trump doesn't understand
00:01:14why he should support it, and generally, what kind of chips does it produce so many of? What is
00:01:18that anyway? He perceives it as just some
00:01:21ordinary stall in the market, while
00:01:25he owns a supermarket, three
00:01:28big supermarkets. "Let's close all these
00:01:31small shops." In what sense is Trump wrong in this regard,
00:01:35if we are really experiencing a time of absolute change
00:01:38in doctrine? We, we, we are moving away from
00:01:41a bipolar or unipolar world.
00:01:45Perhaps this logic makes sense. In what is Trump
00:01:48wrong? In that neither he nor President Putin
00:01:51could achieve that they can solve their
00:01:55problems by force? Trump hopelessly
00:01:57got stuck, stuck in the Middle East,
00:02:01and in fact, Iran is preparing a political
00:02:04grave for him, and new military-technical
00:02:07capabilities, they only strengthen and should
00:02:10strengthen, if they had common sense, a sense of
00:02:13danger for the United States of America. By
00:02:17the way, if they shot down unfortunate Shaheds and ballistic
00:02:21missiles with Patriots, what will they do with jet Shaheds when
00:02:24they fly in droves to Tel Aviv, to Haifa, to Abu Dhabi, to
00:02:28Dubai? What will they do?
00:02:31How many of these Patriots will they have left, only in
00:02:34pictures?
00:02:37And Russia is hopelessly stuck in the post-Soviet space in
00:02:40Ukraine. For chaos to intensify, only China needs to
00:02:44fall into this trap. I am impatiently
00:02:46waiting for Xi Jinping to make this mistake.
00:02:50It seems to me that he, as the General Secretary of the Communist Party, should have
00:02:54finally made this mistake, but he keeps not making it,
00:02:58perhaps because he was taught
00:03:01with Putin how not to jump straight into the hole without
00:03:04any thought about
00:03:06the consequences.
00:03:08So our task is actually to live until
00:03:11the end of the Trump era, our
00:03:14task is to live until the end of the Trump era and to live until the end of the
00:03:18Putin era, and our task is simply
00:03:20to remember
00:03:23that this must also be an absolutely real
00:03:27moment.
00:03:31That in such a world
00:03:34in which we are currently living,
00:03:38the weak are not loved.
00:03:42This is a serious world, this is a world, you mentioned
00:03:46Texas, it's the Wild
00:03:48West, and you
00:03:50walk into a saloon, there are
00:03:54big guys standing there who understand that you can only fight,
00:03:57fight, and you... you start,
00:04:00"Oh, good evening,
00:04:04good evening, I'm a good guy, I
00:04:08want to talk to you so that you don't
00:04:11beat me. What do you need? I can give you this wonderful
00:04:14lighter.
00:04:17And you know that I can even fight, yes, I
00:04:20trained, so just honestly, let's
00:04:23be honest, let's talk about the conditions so that I can
00:04:26walk calmly on this street."
00:04:31"They will kick you to death, you will be left a bloody
00:04:34mess, even if you have parliamentary, sorry,
00:04:38immunity,
00:04:41they will kill you, you will just be left
00:04:43a cutlet.
00:04:45Even our deputies call them cutlets. Well, a cutlet
00:04:48will remain, mincemeat. If you want to
00:04:52survive, learn to fight back in this
00:04:56situation, even if you don't have such strength. Well, hit him there..."
00:05:00He doesn't expect it, he has to take that punch, he has to
00:05:04be bent over for some time, he has to be out of breath, he has
00:05:08to feel bad, he has to cough up blood, maybe
00:05:11then he will... not talk to you
00:05:13sometime,
00:05:15but if you look at him with frightened eyes, he will
00:05:19kill you, I guarantee you won't live until tomorrow. You have no
00:05:22chances. This is such an
00:05:24era.
00:05:27Well, what am I not? I'm not the beneficiary after all, but there are always
00:05:31people who convince us that we can deal with bandits. I'm not
00:05:34talking about the United States now, you understand, I'm talking about the Russian Federation. The United
00:05:38States also believes that they can come to an agreement with the Russian Federation, and...
00:05:42they represent such an image of this
00:05:45big guy, uh-huh, just one who will not fight with
00:05:49everyone, but only with those whom he considers
00:05:52bad, and we, our vision of bad guys
00:05:56coincides with the American one more than with the Russian and
00:05:59Chinese, but from this the essence of the approaches does not
00:06:03decrease and does not
00:06:06change.
00:06:10Regarding, in such a
00:06:12case, what
00:06:16we are waiting for, we will talk about now. We
00:06:19have ahead interesting, interesting, very interesting, very
00:06:22interesting polls in Ukraine, that is, how we are preparing for
00:06:26peace, whether we believe in it, but this is already after a short
00:06:30break.
00:06:30паузи.
00:11:10patriots, in the world there are strikes on
00:11:13Russia.
00:11:17Dialogue between government and
00:11:18society.
00:11:27Support for Ukraine. Behind every loud
00:11:30event lies the main question: What next? On
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00:11:36Espreso.
00:11:40This is an appeal from servicemen of the 50th Regiment of the National Guard of
00:11:43Ukraine. We are currently on the Terebets direction, where Vorog
00:11:46has intensified offensive actions and is putting pressure on the infantry. Therefore,
00:11:50we ask you to support the collection for
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00:11:59small donations, thank you to everyone who joins.
00:12:16Well, we're back, and
00:12:19we said in the first part that we somehow need to survive until
00:12:23the change of power in Washington and Moscow. Regarding
00:12:27Washington, everything is more or less clear. Regarding
00:12:30Moscow, well, this week Vladimir Putin
00:12:34turned 74. Many
00:12:37probably noticed that Joseph Stalin lived exactly
00:12:40that long, another tyrant whom Putin
00:12:43himself probably largely imitated.
00:12:47And
00:12:49half a year later, in March, he seems to have died, right,
00:12:53Stalin? If, if
00:12:57Putin imitated him to the end, then he should have died too, but statistics
00:13:01here play against us, we know that if
00:13:03a person, in principle, more or less leads
00:13:06a healthy lifestyle, this is the statistics of all pension funds in
00:13:10the world, then she, as a rule, after
00:13:1365, if she has already lived, then she lives another 15-20 years, for sure, I
00:13:17think that Putin also has big plans for
00:13:20the future, and well, this is some sad
00:13:24story, so... how do we survive Putin? Trump, I think, we will
00:13:27somehow survive. Well, first of all, I believe
00:13:30that the question is not only about
00:13:33Putin, the question is about the Chekist
00:13:37regime, the question is about
00:13:41Russia's perception,
00:13:44by Russian
00:13:47chauvinists, as an empire with alienated
00:13:50lands,
00:13:53and this perception did not appear under Putin, it
00:13:56appeared in 1991,
00:13:59if to be precise,
00:14:02August 24, 1994,
00:14:05when
00:14:08the press secretary of the President of the Russian
00:14:11Federation, Vashchan, made a statement on behalf of the President of the Russian
00:14:14Federation, Boris Yeltsin, in which it was said that
00:14:18the Russian Federation has no territorial claims
00:14:22to the former Soviet
00:14:25republics until that moment, if there, this is not an exact quote,
00:14:29but it is close to the meaning, as long as they are in
00:14:32union with it, uh-huh, and if they refuse this
00:14:36union, it reserves the right to such
00:14:39claims,
00:14:42that is, it was immediately said that the former Soviet republics
00:14:45are on some foreign Russian territories,
00:14:48and that their territories are such generous
00:14:52gifts from Russia, which it is ready not to take back if all
00:14:55are under it, together with it, in
00:14:58allied relations, uh-huh, so the West missed this
00:15:02statement, well, because it then seemed not very important, we somehow
00:15:05tried to react to it, but no one
00:15:09disavowed it, well, and then the most important thing was different,
00:15:13everyone thought that we would always be in allied relations, where would they go,
00:15:16do not forget that in August 1991, the work on
00:15:20the union treaty continued, many people generally believed that Ukraine
00:15:24would sign it. And in the world, few people knew about Ukraine.
00:15:27Chernobyl there and then
00:15:31the work of the great Russian writer, Nobel
00:15:35laureate Alexander Solzhenitsyn, came out, "How are we
00:15:37to rebuild Russia?", in which it was clearly stated, it was said that
00:15:41the future Russian state should consist of Russia, Ukraine,
00:15:44Belarus and a part, as Zanytsin intelligently
00:15:47said, of "bloated Kazakhstan", that is, it was also
00:15:50clear that a large part of Kazakh territories is also not
00:15:54Kazakhstan. Then there was
00:15:57an interview with the St. Petersburg
00:16:00governor Anatoly Sobchak, whose deputy was
00:16:03Putin. And Sobchak also said in this interview publicly
00:16:07and in his speeches that Ukraine is located
00:16:11on territories that are not its own, uh-huh, and that if it wants to
00:16:15leave the Soviet Union or allied relations with Russia,
00:16:18then it must sacrifice these territories, let it
00:16:22stay in Lviv and Ternopil, if that's accurate, and I myself
00:16:25remember a similar conversation with Sobchak in the presence,
00:16:29by the way, of Putin in the St. Petersburg City Hall,
00:16:32I heard this with my own ears, yes, from
00:16:35Sobchak, complete conviction in this, that is,
00:16:38that Ukraine is a purely Galician project, well,
00:16:42that's also something, you know, these are lands, lands also
00:16:45Galician conquered by the Soviet soldier, and not by anyone else, from
00:16:49their point of view, well, that is,
00:16:51Ukraine is Novorossiya, Malorossiya and
00:16:55western regions, that's to be precise in this
00:16:59terminology, it means since 1991 I
00:17:02keep hearing that the collapse of the Soviet Union was
00:17:06a mistake.
00:17:09The FSB always calls it the mistake of 1991 and
00:17:13it still needs to be corrected.
00:17:17Many Russian politicians believed that the creation
00:17:20of the Commonwealth of Independent States was
00:17:23the correction of this mistake, the first step towards the creation of such
00:17:26a proto-state,
00:17:29in which there would be a common army, a common currency, a common bank, and all this
00:17:32would be controlled from Moscow, it would simply be Yeltsin instead of Gorbachev,
00:17:36and instead of the USSR, the CIS, and if you
00:17:39remember, in the first decade, approximately from
00:17:431991, somewhere until 2000, until
00:17:46Putin, Russians generally said that they live in
00:17:49the CIS, just look at all the old films
00:17:53of the 90s, there is
00:17:56no word Russia practically, there is
00:17:59CIS, where do we live, in the CIS, we lived in
00:18:03Ukraine, conditional Estonians in Estonia, conditional Kazakhs in Kazakhstan,
00:18:07and... Russians lived in the CIS,
00:18:10because they could not agree with the fact that their state is not theirs, but
00:18:14even, even, I'll interrupt you, and in our country it was the same until
00:18:18the 2000s, precisely this
00:18:20constant reminder, the countries of the CIS,
00:18:23we are post-Soviet, that is, we
00:18:26definitely even now Ukrainians, I don't remember what
00:18:30percentage call themselves Europeans, confidently Europeans, and
00:18:33back then it was generally minuscule, yes, of course, because we were. Our
00:18:37connection with that post-Soviet Union remained very strong,
00:18:41and the interest in Russian political life was higher than
00:18:44the interest in Ukrainian, in Russian TV channels more than
00:18:47in Ukrainian. Remember when
00:18:51the first Ukrainian TV channels
00:18:53appeared at all,
00:18:55STB 1+1, this would be the middle
00:18:59of the 90s, yes, and before that
00:19:03we watched, of course there was Ukrainian state television, but it never enjoyed
00:19:07great popularity, and people watched Russian channels, then the first
00:19:11channel, then NTV appeared, people sat for
00:19:15hours watching
00:19:19the program with our colleague Yevhen Kiselev, it was about Russian politics, let it be independent
00:19:22television, but it was about Russia, Ukraine
00:19:26was a dotted line there, but people continued to perceive their capital
00:19:29there, well, and Russians thought it would be so, and then
00:19:33suddenly,
00:19:36I think even such things as the creation of the Ukrainian army, the hryvnia and so on, were already
00:19:40some moments of betrayal, but that betrayal, which can be reversed,
00:19:43uh-huh, but of course, the Orange Revolution,
00:19:47it was already a very serious moment
00:19:50of disappointment, very, it became clear that something needed to be done
00:19:53radically, and so they started preparing, preparing so
00:19:57that it's
00:19:59wrong to say that all this can be reduced to Putin, this is a huge mistake, it's
00:20:03actually very interesting, because it seems to me that Ukrainians easily... we
00:20:07got a little stuck, you even said during the commercial break
00:20:11that we, it seems to me, got stuck in this stage,
00:20:14when we are looking for who is to blame, we cannot
00:20:18move to the next stage of what to do, yes, what,
00:20:21because, because we always want to, for example,
00:20:25we can even now spend a lot of time
00:20:28discussing whether it was possible to better prepare for the war or not,
00:20:32Poroshenko is to blame for us not preparing, or
00:20:35Zelensky, well, all this is probably.
00:20:38I, I always knew what to do, I have no questions there, I,
00:20:41when there was the annexation of Crimea, I received a call
00:20:45from a well-known Russian politician and diplomat, he already
00:20:48died. From such, I would say, Yeltsin's cohort, perestroika and all that, and he
00:20:52apologized
00:20:55to me, a person with such
00:20:59a background,
00:21:02and said that he, well, he was already retired, nothing could be
00:21:06done, but he was in such a state, it was such a collapse of his political
00:21:09hopes, because he was exactly the person who always wanted
00:21:13to build relations between two states, he was an absolute
00:21:16Russian, I would say a statist, even of an imperial type, but he believed that Russia, even as
00:21:20an empire, must build relations with Ukraine as a state, and here all this
00:21:23collapsed, it was clear, well, and I asked him, because we were well
00:21:27acquainted, we talked about many things, what to do, well, in such a way, you know,
00:21:30like a person asking an older person, who is
00:21:3480 years old, how many there are and
00:21:38some recipe, he said, what to do, you need to dig in,
00:21:41prepare for war, in
00:21:442005 we definitely turned in the direction
00:21:47of war, but we didn't want to believe it, well, that's
00:21:50it. That is, digging in is the
00:21:53idea, that is, there is a simple choice, either
00:21:57to fight back, or to disappear, fighting back does not absolutely mean victory
00:22:00over Russia, uh-huh, as
00:22:03many believe, we must end the war with victory over
00:22:07Russia, you are a party of war that
00:22:10wants to defeat Russia. I always say that you will not defeat Russia, Russia is one of the most
00:22:14serious states in the modern world, yes, it doesn't have enough army, it doesn't
00:22:17have enough money, but it has a large...
00:22:20a large demographic potential, it has, most importantly, its people
00:22:23have an absolute instinct for imperial offensive, that's why Russia is
00:22:26Russia, that's why we were part of Russia, and not vice versa, if it were
00:22:30vice versa, there would be a Ukrainian empire, not a Russian one, these are such people, this is such
00:22:33a nation, an imperial nation ready to sacrifice millions
00:22:37of people, on both sides of the war,
00:22:40for greatness,
00:22:43and the only way for us to win in this situation is to
00:22:47stop them, not to win, not to think how
00:22:50Russia will collapse,
00:22:54Putin will be judged in The Hague, no, Russia can
00:22:57remain on our borders as it is, changing
00:23:01its paradigm, we don't
00:23:02know that,
00:23:05but we can become either a country,
00:23:08which
00:23:12will be outside
00:23:15Russia, a conditional Outer
00:23:17Mongolia, in relation to China or Inner
00:23:21Mongolia, or there, or
00:23:23here.
00:23:26There is no other way in its nature. If they
00:23:30see that we are not easy for them, they will
00:23:32calm down for a certain time. Uh-huh. And they can even
00:23:36invent a story that we are not Russians. Just like they
00:23:39invented that we are Russians. Well, they are trying to get the Finns and Poles back now.
00:23:43And they wanted, they certainly wanted, and always wanted. In
00:23:47the 19th century, brochures were still published, where,
00:23:50in St. Petersburg, they printed explanations of why the Polish language is not really a language,
00:23:53a dialect, and that it is one people, only Catholic, I
00:23:57read with my own eyes that Russians and Poles are one people, I read
00:24:01this, and well, it's just that there are
00:24:04Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians, and there are Poles who just
00:24:08converted to Catholicism, but it's the same
00:24:09people.
00:24:12That is, we are actually where Poles were more than
00:24:15150 years ago, and the question is not about us,
00:24:19the question is that... Russians develop very
00:24:22slowly, look, sir, well, in principle, the builder
00:24:26of our state, you somehow, it seems, said something like that about
00:24:28Kuchma, he, in principle, tried to build
00:24:32the main message to
00:24:35Moscow, that Ukraine is not Russia, but
00:24:38he tried to somehow build
00:24:40multi-vector foreign policy, that is, to try
00:24:43to maintain a balance between Ukraine and
00:24:47Western civilization. The Western
00:24:50and Russian Russian empire. You understand, Kuchma came to
00:24:54the conclusion, which was probably very radical for him, that Ukraine
00:24:58is not Russia, and we need to come to the conclusion that Ukraine
00:25:02is Ukraine. Because this idea that Ukraine is not
00:25:06Russia, it is generally inherent in the Ukrainian national
00:25:09spirit, that we must react to what Russia
00:25:13does.
00:25:15If Russia is bad towards us, we will be bad. Good,
00:25:19well, good.
00:25:21And this is because we are not Russia,
00:25:24and look, all our state decisions, all of them
00:25:28are dictated by Russia. You say that Kuchma is the builder of our state, but
00:25:31the builder of our state is Putin, he
00:25:34is the real builder, well, actually, I am saying a blasphemous
00:25:37thought now, but to a certain extent, the
00:25:41fact that Bandera became one of our
00:25:44cornerstones, which modern identity is now
00:25:48built on, this is also... to a large extent such a merit
00:25:52in the hatred, the hatred of Russians towards Bandera, the hatred, yes, that is,
00:25:55we, as it was previously towards Petliura, and before that it was
00:25:59towards Mazepa, that is, it was not Bulbachan, but Petliura, hypothetically. How did
00:26:10Ukrainians call themselves? They called themselves Petliurites.
00:26:13And before Petliura, how did they call themselves?
00:26:15Mazepians.
00:26:18Well, it's clear, so who are all these people? These are supporters
00:26:21of the national-state project,
00:26:24and a figure is chosen that seems
00:26:26radical, Mazepa is perceived as the most
00:26:30radical of the hetmans, Petliura... more radical
00:26:34of the figures of the Ukrainian People's Republic. of the republic, Bandera is simply
00:26:37perceived as the most radical of the figures of the organization of Ukrainian
00:26:40nationalists,
00:26:42they could have chosen someone else, yes, but Bandera
00:26:46seemed very bright even because, you know, why else?
00:26:49Because it was always possible to combine one's own hatred with the hatred
00:26:53of some other people and or to create the hatred of this
00:26:57people, and therefore to prove the justice of their
00:27:00claims, so it was with Petliura, whom they accused
00:27:02of Jewish pogroms. Petliura, who was essentially a Judeophile, who had
00:27:06a ministry of Jewish affairs,
00:27:08who appealed with a demand
00:27:12to the troops that they not commit Jewish pogroms, his officers,
00:27:15among whom was Colonel Melnyk, shot people for Jewish
00:27:19pogroms, but the pogroms happened, they were terrible, they were massive, they were
00:27:23bloody, cities were destroyed to the last
00:27:26person,
00:27:28the leaders of the Ukrainian People's Republic simply did not have real control over
00:27:32their own army in this situation after the revolutionary
00:27:35chaos, and so they took advantage of this, created
00:27:39this story of the murder of Petliura
00:27:42by Shvartsbard, a trial where people come
00:27:45who talk about pogroms, they are not lying, they just connect them with
00:27:49the name of Petliura himself, and so
00:27:53not just a Russian, but a Russian-Jewish myth about
00:27:56Petliura is created,
00:27:59or a Polish... a Russian myth about
00:28:03Bandera, uh-huh, also, it's not with him, the Russians, it's
00:28:07the Poles, they hate him, what, and
00:28:10the Russians just confirm, yes, he is a radical figure, in fact, the
00:28:13Russians have no particular questions about Bandera, as with other Ukrainian nationalists, they know everything about
00:28:17these Nazis, look at the
00:28:19Poles,
00:28:24well, that's it, that is, they work
00:28:26masterfully, Mazepa was supposed
00:28:30to be an enemy... not just of the Russian state, but also of the church,
00:28:34it was necessary to declare anathema to him, remember,
00:28:37that the church, this church of the UOC of the Moscow
00:28:40Patriarchate, it achieved the renaming of this part
00:28:44of the street, uh-huh, where there was, where there is
00:28:47a Lavra, well, now it has returned back, to
00:28:50Lavrska street from Mazepa street, yes, well,
00:28:53that is, they always need some other
00:28:57cornerstone that they will use other
00:29:01peoples or institutions.
00:29:07In essence, the most important thing for Russia is to maintain this connection,
00:29:11this connection, it can be interpreted differently, you can somewhere there, I don't know, from
00:29:15the angle of post-colonial studies, that is, this is
00:29:19relations with, conventionally speaking, Creoles
00:29:23and the metropolis and so on,
00:29:26but it seems to me that it is productive here to simply think about how we
00:29:30can, well, just move away from that and simply
00:29:33say that we are not interested in what the Russians think about it, it seems to me that this is actually
00:29:37the wisest thought, we simply don't care what
00:29:40the Russians think about this or that, yes, we don't care anymore,
00:29:44we always saw what he says, we need to take their
00:29:48opinion into account, otherwise they will fight, well, in fact, even
00:29:51President Zelensky says, we will respond symmetrically to
00:29:54what Russia
00:29:56will do, this is a strange
00:29:59statement, well, this is also a question. either we
00:30:03respond symmetrically to them, they respond symmetrically to us, in fact, our
00:30:06task is to make sure that they don't attack us, we don't
00:30:10need to respond to them symmetrically or non-symmetrically, we need to find such
00:30:14vulnerable points in them that will not allow them to continue fighting, that is, to bring their
00:30:18economy to its knees, their state to its knees, and do it so that they don't
00:30:21get up, for as long as possible, so that they crawl
00:30:24on these knees, and then maybe they will leave us alone, because
00:30:28there are no other chances to believe that they will leave us alone in some...
00:30:33really in the future, there are no such chances, well, they don't
00:30:36exist, well, and therefore again, we return to
00:30:39the birthday boy, the birthday boy is simply an expression of all
00:30:42these, I would say.