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00:00:00we will talk to our guest, former Minister of Defense of
00:00:03Lithuania Dovilė Šakalėne, but while we
00:00:05are waiting for connection with our guest, we continue
00:00:09to follow the events that are taking place at the Warsoal security
00:00:13forum, and the statements of Volodymyr Zelensky, the President of Ukraine, he
00:00:16says that Ukraine is ready
00:00:19to sign guarantees for an energy truce, but
00:00:22Russia must demonstrate that it agrees to it. Zelensky
00:00:26announced this during his address at the Warsaw
00:00:30Security Forum, he said that Ukraine is waiting for
00:00:33details of negotiations between Americans and
00:00:36Russians, and we can already continue our conversation with our
00:00:40guest, Šakalytė Davile, our guest,
00:00:43former Minister of Defense of
00:00:45Lithuania.
00:00:48Good day, we welcome you, we welcome
00:00:50you.
00:00:55Good day. And how do
00:00:58Lithuania assess the decision of the US President, who
00:01:02allows Russia to sell oil, with which it, by the way,
00:01:05finances the war, because Lithuania is also
00:01:08the state that looks with concern to the
00:01:12east.
00:01:20Of course, there are two
00:01:23such different reasons why this
00:01:26decision is simply terrible, both for us.
00:01:34First of all, this is not a solution to the problem, because
00:01:38the figures that Russia presents
00:01:42are so small, so small, that they will not have any
00:01:45impact on the global market. The second
00:01:48problem is that Russia cannot
00:01:52actually solve this problem, because the real reason
00:01:56is the situation in the strait.
00:02:01Strait of Hormuz, and therefore, this
00:02:04whole complication, this conflict is
00:02:08the reason for what is happening. In
00:02:10addition, we are now talking about NATO security, and of course,
00:02:14everything that helps the Russian economy,
00:02:17anything that accelerates its preparation for
00:02:21the next stages of the war, is a direct threat to NATO, to
00:02:24the entire alliance, and to
00:02:27our.
00:02:30According to our estimates, intelligence data of the defense, which have already
00:02:34been published, it is clearly stated that if
00:02:37Russia, if sanctions against Russia
00:02:40are removed, if Russia
00:02:43can actually accelerate
00:02:47the use of such a window of opportunities for Russia,
00:02:50they can already attack NATO
00:02:53within 12 months, and this means that
00:02:57we ourselves, in our alliance. reports that Washington threatens
00:03:00to block
00:03:08the mechanism for purchasing American weapons for Ukraine and to stop
00:03:12the transfer of intelligence data, if this happens, in your
00:03:16opinion, is Europe capable of compensating for the loss
00:03:18of American weapons, and most importantly
00:03:20intelligence data?
00:03:28We all agree that.
00:03:30there is currently no alternative to
00:03:33American capabilities, especially if we are talking about
00:03:36strategic resources, about certain intelligence
00:03:40aspects, and of course, this would be
00:03:42a devastating loss, because
00:03:46Europe can actually compensate for everything only
00:03:50based on its capabilities, we cannot
00:03:53provide Ukraine with something
00:03:57that we don't have, that is, we are developing,
00:04:00we have our strategic potential, but this takes
00:04:03time, and if this provision
00:04:06of intelligence data completely stops, it will not
00:04:09only be a devastating
00:04:13thing for Ukraine, but it will also destroy
00:04:17our security, we all see
00:04:21that this Russian military reform
00:04:24is aimed not only at Ukraine,
00:04:27they are actually building their...
00:05:18First of all, of course, we are talking to our
00:05:22partners, these discussions, dialogues
00:05:26with the USA, are extremely critically
00:05:29important, we need to be
00:05:32on the same page here, so to speak,
00:05:36and this will have the greatest
00:05:40effects for the future situation. speaking about
00:05:43the practical dimension, of course, our joint
00:05:46projects with Ukraine in the defense sector, because
00:05:50your technologies, your, your experience is
00:05:53extraordinary, and we are trying to use
00:05:56them in the best way, but
00:05:59at the same time accelerating our
00:06:01production, accelerating our development of our potential, our
00:06:05capabilities, so that we are together in this,
00:06:08so that we can support you, but at the same time build
00:06:12capabilities that do not exist yet, this is
00:06:16what we can do, of course, we will not talk about technical
00:06:20things here, thank you very much for this
00:06:23conversation and for your comments, I remind you that we spoke with Dovilesha
00:06:27Kalijene, former Minister of Defense of
00:06:30Lithuania.
00:06:38The European Union has imposed sanctions against almost 1600
00:06:41people related to the military industry of Russia.
00:06:45EU Foreign Ministers approved sanctions against these
00:06:491600 people associated with
00:06:52the Russian military-industrial complex, more than half of whom are involved in
00:06:56the production of ballistic missiles, said the head of
00:06:59European diplomacy, Kaja Kallas, as reported by European
00:07:03Pravda. She said that foreign ministers
00:07:06approved the expansion of these sanctions and, according
00:07:10to her, the measures are aimed at the Russian
00:07:13military-industrial complex, and more
00:07:17than half of them are related to the ballistic missile production chain, this
00:07:20is the largest expansion of our sanctions list since
00:07:24the beginning of the war by
00:07:26Russia, that is, it looks very good,
00:07:30Donald Trump, actually helps
00:07:33Europeans to make appropriate decisions, we are waiting for
00:07:36more, faster, and we are waiting for
00:07:39more. Well, I see
00:07:43that every patriot in Poland and Europe should
00:07:46think about how to effectively help Ukraine defend itself. These
00:07:50words were said by Polish Prime Minister Donald
00:07:53Tusk during the opening of the Warsaw Security Forum. Ukrainian President Volodymyr
00:07:57Zelensky also spoke online at the opening, emphasizing the
00:08:00importance of continuing to exert pressure on Russia. Our
00:08:04correspondent Natalka Volosatska will tell more, she is live with
00:08:08us.
00:08:12We welcome you, so, what other important statements were made at
00:08:16the forum? Good day.
00:08:19Greetings, colleagues, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, during the opening
00:08:23of the forum, emphasized that Russia bears full responsibility for the war against
00:08:27Ukraine, and weakening support for Kyiv contradicts
00:08:30the security and sovereignty interests of European states. According
00:08:34to him, Russia seeks not only to subjugate Ukraine, but also
00:08:37to change the security architecture in Europe. Tusk called for
00:08:40increasing economic pressure on Moscow and imposing new
00:08:44sanctions. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who joined the forum
00:08:47online, emphasized that Russia continues to attack Ukrainian
00:08:51energy infrastructure, despite statements about a supposed energy
00:08:54truce announced by Donald Trump. Volodymyr Zelensky
00:08:58stressed that to achieve peace, real
00:09:01US pressure on Russia is needed, not a weakening
00:09:04of sanctions or concessions to the Kremlin. Zelensky also called
00:09:08on partners for unity, emphasizing that a ceasefire must
00:09:11provide for...
00:09:35I know, I am convinced that they are among our stocks, in our
00:09:38orders and in the stocks of our partners. Ukraine needs...
00:10:04So my request is this: please, do not finance state terror
00:10:05of Russia.
00:10:12Now is not the time to soften sanctions, now is not the time to give Russia more
00:10:16money, when we are trying to find funds and resources for
00:10:19Ukraine, this creates a terrible, just terrible example to
00:10:23follow.
00:10:29Ukraine's great friend Katarzyna Pisarska called on
00:10:32European partners to support Ukraine for as long as it is
00:10:36needed.
00:10:38Natalka Volosatska from the Warsaw Security Forum. Thank you,
00:16:09we have, we have the decisions that are necessary for
00:16:12the country, we must make them for the country, I understand
00:16:15that some in the hall need to speak out,
00:16:19engage in PR and adhere to those peaceful
00:16:22procedures that are currently unavailable to us, but in this
00:16:26regard, I ask the Conciliation Council, I do not want to put
00:16:29this to a vote now, but I ask the Conciliation Council
00:16:33to consider tomorrow the possibility of considering issues for
00:16:37exhausting the agenda items, if someone
00:16:41wants to speak, we will listen, but we will not disperse until
00:16:44all decisions are made, moreover, I would
00:16:48like the Verkhovna Rada to publish those
00:16:51deputies who are present in the hall when making those decisions,
00:16:54and those who are absent as well, so that we understand who in these
00:16:58difficult times works for the country, who pretends to work,
00:17:02thank you, thank you, that's true, please, dear
00:17:05colleagues, well, please, let's still spend
00:17:09this time somehow more for Ukraine,
00:17:12okay? Artur Volodymyrovych, please,
00:17:15ласка,
00:17:18dear colleagues, dear Ukrainians, I am very surprised to hear from
00:17:21the mono-majority that we should work until the agenda is exhausted,
00:17:25of course, European solidarity is supported and will
00:17:28work, but I want to remind you that you made a decision to go to
00:17:32Bukovel for all sessions, you made a decision not to
00:17:35work in the plenary for three weeks. what
00:17:42international issues he was involved in, okay,
00:17:44thank you,
00:17:47dear colleagues, Razumkov, please, finalize the procedure
00:17:51and let's move to voting,
00:17:54please, I was in Kyiv, so there are no questions, second,
00:17:58last week, when there was an hour of questions to the government,
00:18:01why wasn't the government here, please give an answer, Ruslan Oleksiyovych, and
00:18:05the third question, why did you disperse for three weeks, I personally
00:18:09addressed you to hold a meeting last and the week before
00:18:12last, there is no such desire, there was no desire, it is mostly,
00:18:16today it appeared, put to a vote
00:18:18the proposal to work today until
00:18:22the consideration of all agenda items that are
00:18:25proposed today, and we will see, please put it, and so we will
00:18:29work until the consideration of agenda items until the end, dear
00:18:32colleagues, that's all, period, dear colleagues, in accordance with
00:18:36Article 28.
00:19:19214 in favor, nine against, three abstained, 77
00:19:22did not vote, dear colleagues, the list of issues approved by the Conciliation Council has been provided to you,
00:19:26let's move to its consideration, you
00:19:28have, now I will announce, we are at
00:19:31issue 10147, this is
00:19:34a draft law on occupational safety and health. This is the second
00:19:37reading, and we agreed, why Yulia Volodymyrivna Tymoshenko
00:19:41submitted it first, she will put five amendments
00:19:45for confirmation, asks for three to four minutes for substantiation, please, Yulia
00:19:49Volodymyrivna, up to four minutes and then you will put them in order,
00:20:03please, up to 5 minutes, Yulia Volodymyrivna, and then we will vote, but try to keep it short.
00:20:12Yulia Tymoshenko, Batkivshchyna faction.
00:20:15Dear colleagues, draft law 10147
00:20:19is called on occupational safety and health. Today,
00:20:22as part of the labor
00:20:26code, this
00:20:28practically all issues, this is resolved in full
00:20:31harmony with employers, with
00:20:34trade unions, with the government, what works today.
00:20:37Draft law 10147, which
00:20:40is called on occupational safety and health, actually
00:20:43cancels all
00:20:46guarantees for employees regarding
00:20:50the protection of their health at the workplace,
00:20:54I can tell you that this is one
00:20:57of the draft laws that turns
00:21:00working people into a disenfranchised,
00:21:04absolutely unprotected by the state, slave
00:21:07force. Imagine that this
00:21:11law cancels all
00:21:13key benefits and guarantees for those
00:21:17employees who work in harmful
00:21:20jobs in conditions of increased
00:21:23danger. In particular, this is everything
00:21:26that concerns preferential pension
00:21:29provision, increased wages, this
00:21:33is a reduction in working
00:21:36hours, additional paid
00:21:39vacations, everything is canceled,
00:21:42even free medical treatment is canceled for
00:21:45those who were injured at work. In
00:21:48addition, the responsibility of employers for
00:21:51creating safe working conditions is
00:21:55removed, in fact, this
00:21:58draft law openly tells you that
00:22:02powerful international, global corporations
00:22:05are going to enter here, and
00:22:09before they enter, our working
00:22:12people must be turned into disenfranchised slaves, and
00:22:16this is one of the first laws that
00:22:19does this. I can tell you that this is a complete
00:22:22deception, that this is a European
00:22:26draft law, this is a lie, because
00:22:29this draft law directly contradicts
00:22:32Council Directive
00:22:3389/391 of
00:22:3712.06.89,
00:22:40where it clearly states that
00:22:43it is prohibited, unacceptable
00:22:46by any laws regarding employees
00:22:49to worsen their working conditions,
00:22:52this contradicts European practice and European
00:22:56directives. Also, we have
00:22:59an Association Agreement with the European
00:23:03Union, Article 296
00:23:06of the Association Agreement,
00:23:08explicitly prohibits weakening or
00:23:12lowering the level of labor protection. This law
00:23:16contradicts our Association
00:23:18Agreement. Now, if you vote for this
00:23:22draft law, you hit miners,
00:23:25metallurgists,
00:23:28chemists, those who work in the pharmaceutical
00:23:31industry, many, many workers of our
00:23:35country. I want to ask, what did
00:23:38they deserve this for, that you are taking away
00:23:41their last guarantees. In
00:23:45addition, 14 Ukrainian vocal
00:23:48professional unions opposed this draft
00:23:51law, they sent their
00:23:55appeals to the heads of factions, to the head
00:23:58of the Verkhovna Rada, to the relevant committees, and
00:24:02asked every deputy not to vote for this
00:24:06law. The International Labor Organization
00:24:09appealed and said that this does not comply with
00:24:13the conventions adopted by the International
00:24:16Labor Organization. I want to ask, who is
00:24:20the initiator of turning our working people into
00:24:24slaves, who is for this
00:24:26colonization, if you decide, then
00:24:30go by name to your voters and
00:24:32call on them to support this
00:24:35genocide of the Ukrainian people. I urge you
00:24:39to vote against, not to give a single
00:24:42vote, because this is unacceptable for
00:24:46a European country. In
00:24:48addition, against this, the global
00:24:52system of trade unions Industrial, which
00:24:54includes 52 million workers worldwide,
00:24:58appealed to the Speaker
00:25:01of the Verkhovna Rada not to put this law to
00:25:04a vote, I ask you not to support it, our team
00:25:08votes against and supports working
00:25:10people, please, Halyna Mykolaivna, if I
00:25:14ask, please answer, you are the rapporteur on this, up to
00:25:18two minutes, Halyna Mykolaivna, then vote.
00:25:21I ask the people's deputies to take their
00:25:23seats.
00:25:25Now Halyna Mykolaivna will briefly report on those
00:25:28comments, I will put these amendments in order and
00:25:31then the law as a whole. Dear
00:25:34colleagues, the law on labor protection, which is in force in Ukraine, on the one hand,
00:25:38even the name does not correspond to the European one, because in Europe
00:25:41it is safety and health at work, but this
00:25:44law over the years of Ukraine's independence
00:25:47has led to the fact that the number of
00:25:50killed and disabled in enterprises, although we
00:25:54are losing industrial sectors,
00:25:57is increasing, this means that the law on labor
00:26:00protection does not protect anyone,
00:26:03injuries, deaths and disabilities
00:26:07continue, if we do not change
00:26:10the mechanism that is European.
00:26:14Regarding the accusations that this draft law does not comply with
00:26:17the European ILO conventions and European directives.
00:26:21This is not true. On the website of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, you
00:26:24can see on 194
00:26:27pages the compliance of the Acquis and the compliance
00:26:30of the ILO conventions. The information that is being disseminated
00:26:34today about the alleged non-compliance of the ILO,
00:26:37it concerns the first reading
00:26:41of this law. The ILO has not even translated
00:26:44the draft law that has been on the website of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine since
00:26:48May 26, 25.
00:26:52A year and a half the draft law has been on
00:26:55the website, only now they remembered about the life and
00:26:58death of employees and people who work
00:27:02there. We are walking on very thin ice,
00:27:05the compliance with the Acquis
00:27:06is clear,
00:27:09but in addition, this is part of the Ukraine Facility. This
00:27:12means that if we do not receive funding for our
00:27:16account, our thin ice of funding in November
00:27:19for the army will also be in question, and this
00:27:22is part of the Ukraine Facility tranche. This is an additional
00:27:25argument, but it cannot be ignored. I have
00:27:29a request to support this draft law. Thank you.
00:27:32Thank you, dear colleagues, I ask the people's deputies to take their
00:27:35seats, please.
00:27:37ласка,
00:27:40Dear colleagues, people's deputies, please take your
00:27:43seats, I will now
00:27:45sequentially,
00:27:48dear
00:27:51from the procedure, Yulia Volodymyrivna, you have already spoken for 5 minutes,
00:27:55let's vote on these amendments first, only from
00:27:59the procedure, Yulia Volodymyrivna, people's deputies, please take your seats.
00:28:03Tymoshenko, from the procedure only Yulia Volodymyrivna. Yes, Mr.
00:28:05Chairman, to you, 14 Ukrainian
00:28:08sectoral trade unions officially appealed that this
00:28:12law should not be supported. Why not announce now to the entire
00:28:16parliament team that all trade unions of Ukraine
00:28:19are categorically against this law. Please, this is not
00:28:22from the procedure. This is not from the procedure. Secondly, you said it several times from
00:28:26the tribune. Everyone heard. Dear colleagues,
00:28:29I am now putting these amendments sequentially. I am putting. amendments,
00:28:32which are taken into account, they are put for confirmation, after that
00:28:36I will put the law as a whole, and so amendment number four:
00:28:40I ask the people's deputies, please take your
00:28:42seats. Davyd Georgievych,
00:28:45please release Pasqua, please,
00:28:49please take your seats, please,
00:28:53this is for support, for confirmation, the fourth
00:28:56amendment, it is taken into account, People's Deputy Tymoshenko asks
00:29:00to put it for confirmation. I put
00:29:03the fourth amendment for confirmation,
00:29:24with 227 votes, the decision is adopted, the amendment remains taken into account,
00:29:27the eighth amendment, I put it to a vote, I put it to
00:29:31a vote, please for... confirmation as well, please,
00:29:34dear colleagues, just as you voted, you voted well, please vote
00:29:37further, please vote, dear colleagues, faster, only,
00:29:55with 212 votes, the decision is not adopted, the next amendment is
00:29:59426, taken into account, put to confirmation.
00:30:03Please, I ask the people's deputies to vote, faster,
00:30:06colleagues, please, I ask you to vote,
00:30:20with 221 votes, the decision is not adopted, amendment 846,
00:30:24I ask the people's deputies to vote, it was taken into account
00:30:27by the committee, dear colleagues, please
00:30:29vote.
00:30:44with 213 votes, the decision is not adopted and the final
00:30:47954 and then we will vote for the law as a whole
00:30:50954 taken into account by the committee is put to confirmation please
00:30:54vote.