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00:00:00But now, it seems to me, everything is much more serious, everything is much
00:00:04more serious in the sense that with such
00:00:07actions, essentially not to
00:00:10increase sanctions on Russia, well Donald Trump, and not only him, again,
00:00:13I say, the Ministry of Finance, Besen, others,
00:00:16they did not impose any sanctions on Russia during this period, and
00:00:20now they have started a bunch of initiatives to lift sanctions from
00:00:24Russia, that's one. This may be followed by
00:00:27threats, well, the media writes that... they have already followed, well, I don't know,
00:00:31the media writes this, but it's logical, and
00:00:33regarding the cessation
00:00:36of providing any space
00:00:39data, well, what is space intelligence data? This is a really
00:00:42regime, Mr. Ambassador, I actually wanted to dwell on this
00:00:46in a little more detail, look, well, we
00:00:49understand, we don't even fully realize how harshly
00:00:52the current American administration can play, especially when we
00:00:56talk about Ukraine, right? About our...
00:01:00your life, so, well, but
00:01:02intelligence data
00:01:04on transferring
00:01:07weapons to Ukraine bought with European
00:01:10money, right? Well, but which are manufactured or
00:01:14licensed by the United States, this is currently an assumption, but if
00:01:18we talk about the probability of such a thing, well, because the tandem
00:01:21of Elon Musk with the American president,
00:01:24it is alarming, and they demonstrate their
00:01:28readiness to press us, not the president, not even
00:01:32Volodymyr Zelenskyy, specifically to press us,
00:01:35Ukraine, here I will
00:01:38argue with you, you are wrong, everything
00:01:41rests on the decision of President Zelenskyy,
00:01:45you are wrong, this is really so, they think that Ukrainians,
00:01:49the Ukrainian people, who suffered, it
00:01:52is really terrible. Trump, by the way, not the first time I see him, when
00:01:56he is really affected.
00:02:00by the scale, the number of deaths during COVID, it was the
00:02:03same, but he is not a person with some, you know,
00:02:07empathy or such compassion, no, he
00:02:11considers it only in
00:02:13parameters that he does not understand, because he
00:02:16would have always retreated in such a
00:02:19situation, well, as it has actually happened
00:02:23more than once, if he saw that the goals take up a lot
00:02:27of resources and do not bring...
00:02:30profit, but Ukrainians do it differently, and
00:02:34I believe that in Washington, as
00:02:36it was, so it remains, a misunderstanding
00:02:39of the specifics of exercising power in
00:02:42Ukraine, well, or, let's say, not power, but let's say
00:02:45making important strategic decisions for the country, they
00:02:49still do not understand, as in Moscow, why it
00:02:52happens that if the President
00:02:55of Ukraine, well, there signed some agreement, well, that
00:02:58Putin wants, then it... would become a law
00:03:00for Ukraine, because it is an international
00:03:04treaty, but we don't have it that way, this is us, if this agreement and
00:03:07the president signs an agreement that contradicts national
00:03:11interests, well, in this case, one can talk about
00:03:14capitulation, non-capitulation, well, at least now it is necessary to sign an agreement with
00:03:18Russia on changing the state border of Ukraine, so, if
00:03:21simply put, I'm not even talking about reducing the armed forces, about
00:03:25neutrality, just changing the state border, and
00:03:28President Trump does such things, you see,
00:03:31he goes for things that Congress does not
00:03:34support, even now it is visible, there is a law in Congress
00:03:37that prohibits
00:03:41receiving, importing Russian oil products, but
00:03:44President Trump does otherwise, and the White
00:03:48House lawyers are now trying to defend all this with
00:03:51their arguments, relying on
00:03:54another legislative act, and he does not know that in Ukraine
00:03:57the President of Ukraine cannot sign anything,
00:04:01in Russia Putin can sign anything, Trump
00:04:05can sign anything, not in Ukraine,
00:04:08in democratic countries, and, and I
00:04:11believe that, unfortunately, America is currently in a difficult
00:04:14political situation, they have authoritarian tendencies,
00:04:17and very often this branch of government,
00:04:20the presidential one, it puts pressure on
00:04:24many rules, norms, established in America, and this is not
00:04:28the first year, the first term.
00:04:30he somehow still tried to listen to serious
00:04:33professional advisors, he didn't like all these explanations that it
00:04:37is against the law, the second term, he decided for himself not to pay
00:04:41attention to this, so what he does, I understand,
00:04:45he doesn't think about Ukraine at all, because
00:04:49he has his own goals and he justifies this with the interests
00:04:52of the American people, that's all, but why did it happen
00:04:56that he started transmitting narratives...
00:05:00Russian ones, so I also have
00:05:03an assumption that he may simply further, not
00:05:07trusting his, even his entourage, he
00:05:11always distrusts... many people, he
00:05:14may trust Putin's words, and
00:05:18if Putin, and this is already clear, insisted that
00:05:21Ukraine must stop hitting
00:05:24oil refineries, then Trump did
00:05:28as Putin asked, Ukraine must stop hitting
00:05:31oil refineries. Well, one can joke about this,
00:05:34ironize, one can tell Ukraine not to hit
00:05:37strategic Russian bombers that
00:05:41kill Ukrainians, but this, well, this is what
00:05:44we think, that he lives in a paradigm of values, some kind
00:05:48of legislation, warfare, nothing of the sort, he
00:05:52lives in a paradigm of pure interests,
00:05:55that,
00:05:57well, what was in the 19th century, when aggressive countries
00:06:01were allowed to occupy other territories, it's
00:06:05simpler for him, in his system of coordinates, it's a simpler
00:06:08world, and he really likes more
00:06:12what... Putin does, what even the North
00:06:14Korean president does, well, this
00:06:18dictator, Kim Jong Un, well, these are the realities, and we need to learn to
00:06:21live with them, why, and now the most important thing, we can discuss as much as we want
00:06:25what else Trump will do, he has already
00:06:29done this, and the 45th President
00:06:31Trump did all these things, only there were mechanisms
00:06:35of control over these actions, they still exist, for example, he cannot
00:06:39just stop supplying us with some
00:06:42intelligence data, he cannot, all this is done not
00:06:46only by him, there is also intelligence counter-terrorism, there is the Pentagon,
00:06:50he cannot stop all this like that, he cannot
00:06:52stop the sale of weapons, because these are contracts, these are
00:06:56the interests of the military-industrial or
00:06:59defense-industrial complex of the USA, well, since they already have
00:07:02a Ministry of War, then probably the military-industrial complex, that is,
00:07:06much has changed, this is not the same Trump, by the way, he
00:07:09today, so that you understand what is happening,
00:07:12he today criticized the agreement,
00:07:15harshly, said who signed this stupid agreement,
00:07:19he signed it in 2018,
00:07:22so one could say, these are two different presidents, and this
00:07:25is largely true, so we need to
00:07:28learn to live with what we have, and what we have is that until the first
00:07:32of January next
00:07:35year, there will still be such a configuration, there most
00:07:38likely Trump will no longer have such opportunities as now, I...
00:07:42that he still wants to have time before when most
00:07:46likely he will lose the opportunity in the House
00:07:49of Representatives to pass his budget decisions, or perhaps
00:07:52also in the Senate to pass his simply there
00:07:55candidates. The probability of impeachment starting
00:07:59the procedure is 85%, that is, this will be the third time.
00:08:02The probability of impeachment ending with the removal
00:08:06of the US President from power, for the first time in these
00:08:09years it appeared, because if the Senate is behind...
00:08:13bars, then there is a high probability that Trump will not remain in office
00:08:16until the end of his term, but during this entire period he
00:08:20will, at least, be in the position
00:08:22of US President, he can influence
00:08:26barriers, boycotting aid to Ukraine, this is why
00:08:30we will have to deal with him, and whether we want to or not, well, here
00:08:33the main thing, Mr. Ambassador, in what
00:08:36role will Donald Trump act, either as a neutral, so to
00:08:40speak, arbiter? judge, or as
00:08:44a potential ally of Putin, or as a specific ally
00:08:47of Putin, yes, because non-interference in
00:08:50a situation where Putin is preparing, literally, for
00:08:53genocidal acts in
00:08:57Kyiv, well, that already smells, so
00:09:00to speak, not too good. I would like to quote, well, what
00:09:04then, and what will you do with this, what will you do with this, I will tell you more,
00:09:07the probability that he will look even
00:09:11more towards Russia after the elections is
00:09:14obvious, that is, only more
00:09:17controlling mechanisms will appear regarding his
00:09:20actions, but he will remain in the presidential office with all
00:09:24possibilities of influence, it's just that Congress, if both chambers
00:09:27go to the Democrats, there will also
00:09:31be changes in the Supreme Court, he currently has a majority in the Supreme Court, so,
00:09:35if you think that
00:09:38many decisions he introduces will be liked by
00:09:49his actions in memory of Ronald Reagan, that is, half the country
00:09:53harshly, well, if frankly there
00:09:56hate their president, I just don't
00:09:59understand how he was elected a second time, so,
00:10:03you know, if they elect him a second time, it's not that I don't understand, I actually
00:10:06understand, the domestic policy in the USA, which
00:10:10was carried out by Republican Donald. it
00:10:13largely corrected the mistakes that were made before
00:10:16him, he did that, and then he started making a lot
00:10:20of his mistaken steps, well, we
00:10:23get these quite
00:10:27controversial proposals, in the USA he already signs specific
00:10:29decisions on taxes, on
00:10:33how people live, for them it is important whether they can, like for
00:10:37all of us, whether in peacetime, children can
00:10:40study at university, at school, whether their food can be
00:10:43provided, whether the healthcare
00:10:47system is correct, but now he has already, you see,
00:10:51transitioned during the war, he has become
00:10:54different. It is easier for him to find understanding with
00:10:57Putin, and this is obvious, than with
00:11:01Zelenskyy, this is also obvious, but again,
00:11:04Trump is a political animal,
00:11:08let's say, Trump is, well, in the good sense of the word, Trump is
00:11:11a person very profit-oriented, on profit, well,
00:11:15we will have to understand how in these conditions, at least
00:11:19minimize Russian influence, this is the first task,
00:11:22and this influence has increased, this is a victory. Let's
00:11:25admit now that they pushed through Trump,
00:11:28unfortunately, but we can, we have certain levers against this.
00:11:32Well, God grant, if we have
00:11:35levers, I would just like to quote to our viewers
00:11:38the position of the
00:11:41Kremlin, voiced by Putin's spokesman
00:11:44Peskov. So, in Crimea they rejected the idea of
00:11:47a 60-day truce for holding
00:11:50possible elections in Ukraine, but they assumed
00:11:54that they would not strike on the same day,
00:11:57on election day, these are fresh Kremlin
00:12:01statements, well, and Michael Carpenter, with whom
00:12:04I had the honor of speaking a couple of days ago, I know that you treat
00:12:08him respectfully, and he also values you highly,
00:12:12Mr. Ambassador, so Michael Carpenter in
00:12:15a conversation with me noted, I quote him, he is
00:12:19the former US Ambassador at Large to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in
00:12:22Europe, he said that... European
00:12:26leaders must finally realize that the United
00:12:29States has effectively dropped out of the game,
00:12:33so Europe will have to take the initiative
00:12:35itself. We don't know how
00:12:38ready European leaders will be to take military
00:12:42initiative themselves, and whether there is even any point
00:12:45in talking about Europe as a holistic construct, will
00:12:49Germany, France,
00:12:52Poland, the Baltic states, Romania, and so on, be
00:12:55ready to respond with force in case of military provocation,
00:12:59but there is also a request for me to clarify, that Elon
00:13:03Musk calls Donald
00:13:06Trump, or vice versa, Donald Trump calls Musk and says, well,
00:13:10let's not provide Ukraine with everything
00:13:14that Ukraine needs, especially when we
00:13:17are talking about the
00:13:19use of Starlinks and the use of American
00:13:23intelligence information, right? So... because it is used,
00:13:26in particular, for our military
00:13:29needs, Mr. Ambassador, can
00:13:32such a combination happen in the next couple of weeks,
00:13:35a month?
00:13:38Well, first, I'm pleased that Mike said that, I also consider
00:13:42him not just an OSCE ambassador, he had worked in the White House before,
00:13:46and he was on the Ukrainian
00:13:49track, he was President Biden's right-hand man,
00:13:52only Biden's, not Trump's. There
00:13:56are nuances in this, so he, of course, did much more for
00:13:59Ukraine. Now, regarding whether
00:14:02Musk can, because Musk has been brought
00:14:05back closer to the White House, they already had
00:14:09a dispute there, because Elon Musk introduced
00:14:12a program that strictly computationally
00:14:15controlled who earned how much in the US
00:14:19bureaucracy system, and thus accidentally came
00:14:21out, well, essentially exposed agents. He
00:14:25started to be interested in salaries that were not
00:14:28reflected in specific job positions, and this was
00:14:32real closed secret information about American
00:14:35agents, and Rubio naturally asked Donald
00:14:39Trump to react to this somehow, it even became
00:14:43public, well, why do I say this so boldly, because I heard it in
00:14:47a public discussion of the US government when Musk was invited to
00:14:50explain the situation, so his little shop
00:14:53was closed, although they created a lot
00:14:56of bad things there, well, but they also exposed the problems of the American
00:15:00bureaucratic system, this Deep State that Trump doesn't like. Then they
00:15:04quarreled, because Musk is also like that, he is very direct in this regard,
00:15:08he quarreled with Trump, but recently there was a meeting
00:15:11of Trump with large companies in Volley, well, this is
00:15:14California, California where IT companies are, and they
00:15:18also Trump earned from their suggestion more than 1.5
00:15:22billion dollars of his own assets, himself. It was
00:15:25precisely on the increase of IT work, well, now he wants
00:15:29artificial intelligence to develop in the USA, actually
00:15:33without any replaying of control, and he wants them to generally
00:15:36forget that there is some... gradation like in China on
00:15:39artificial intelligence and on some universal artificial
00:15:43intelligence, he said, let's call everything
00:15:45superintelligence, whoever doesn't call it that, they are my enemies,
00:15:49and therefore now he has put his stake on this
00:15:52group, which G. W. Bush previously
00:15:55represented as vice president, so he brought Musk
00:15:58closer again, why am I telling such a long story? because even two months
00:16:02ago it would have been possible to talk to Musk through other
00:16:05channels and he would not have... gone for it, now he will fulfill
00:16:09President Donald Trump's request. Remember, there was already
00:16:12a case with Starlinks, they cut off our Starlinks
00:16:15when it was, well, essentially very important
00:16:18for us, but now the situation is more difficult, Russians are making
00:16:22their own system, well, they are launching satellites, the system is being
00:16:26developed for them, let's say, by someone from outside, judging
00:16:29by everything, but they are launching satellites, and soon they can
00:16:33have this, and if then they had it and we had it.
00:16:38Starlink was used, and if they have it after some time, and we
00:16:41don't, this will be a very difficult situation, so potentially, this
00:16:45is a threat to us, and we need to take this into account.
00:16:49Well, this is a serious threat, especially considering that, well,
00:16:53the combination of the American president, it
00:16:56really has a clear Russian flavor, a clear
00:17:00Kremlin smell. Yes, because, well, we understand
00:17:03that there are no oil refineries left in Ukraine, well...
00:17:07there's one oil refinery working at some third of its capacity,
00:17:11right, but in Russia the situation with
00:17:15oil refining could have become critical for their
00:17:19budget and for the psychological state
00:17:22of their population, right, because we remember how actively they
00:17:26reacted to problems with gasoline, well, and
00:17:28here we have a situation, the enemy continues to hit
00:17:32our cities, our homes, it hit a house in Kyiv
00:17:36now, fragments fell across the capital, and we
00:17:40understand that he will repeat this criminal
00:17:42tactic daily, as much as we can, we will
00:17:46neutralize, well, accordingly, we will strike
00:17:50where we will strike them, especially since Ukraine did not
00:17:54participate in Trump's, so to
00:17:56speak, decisions, right? Trump confused everyone,
00:18:00he only consulted with Putin, they couldn't
00:18:03stop talking, as it was said in official
00:18:06press... well, and now we will strike here and there,
00:18:09wherever it reaches there, well, and it will ignite, accordingly, and
00:18:13after that Trump will say: listen, you
00:18:16see, Ukraine does not
00:18:19want my wonderful proposal, and accordingly
00:18:23will start to pressure, that's what I am afraid of,
00:18:26well, Trump's former representative, General Keith Kellogg stated that
00:18:30Russian oil refineries are legitimate military
00:18:33targets for Ukraine, that's what he quoted, I would burn every
00:18:36damn oil refinery that Russia has today, but
00:18:40Keith Kellogg is retired, he is no longer
00:18:43performing those presidential
00:18:47assignments and tasks, what to do with
00:18:50this attempt by Putin to drive
00:18:53us into Trump's trap, because we cannot not strike,
00:18:57because these are legitimate military targets, and this is confirmed by all
00:19:01communications,
00:19:05well, look, firstly, of course... we need to continue striking, because
00:19:09this is really, we finally understand
00:19:12that it hurts, and it affects both
00:19:16the supply for the Russian army,
00:19:20and, of course, the profits, not what there
00:19:23is diesel, it will not be much in figures, 300 thousand,
00:19:27500 thousand, a million, this will be small, well, I calculated
00:19:31it myself, just roughly, this is about 5
00:19:34billion dollars, all this is not that much money, but
00:19:37the oil that goes, by the way, and that same diesel, it's not certain that it
00:19:41will reach, if, well, it's obvious. What should
00:19:45we do? We should have, and our people responded with a strike
00:19:48on Rostov, it seems, this is the right
00:19:51action, but we should not have called it
00:19:54well, not called it, but fallen for the
00:19:57provocation, so as not to personally offend
00:20:00Trump, you understand, we still have all his personal insults,
00:20:04he thus fuels his internal... decisions,
00:20:08somewhere deep down, he doesn't understand,
00:20:12what he is doing is perfectly clear, so he needs more
00:20:15justification, and you are right that there is such a risk that someone
00:20:19will violate it, Ukraine violated it, well, that's it, this story closed yesterday,
00:20:22now everything has become even more obvious, Russia demanded and
00:20:26demands that we not do this, not hit oil refineries, and
00:20:29they continued to do what they want to do,
00:20:33this is as if they were weak, a weak position, this is really...
00:20:37a decision, just don't say there that Trump is weak, you saw how this
00:20:41was provoked, a planted person, a planted
00:20:44person, broke through with a microphone, a woman,
00:20:48I didn't have time to understand who she represented, but she
00:20:52was shouting, not a question to Trump, she shouted: "Do you know
00:20:56what they said about you, do you know what they said about you, that you are weak?", and he only
00:20:59asked, "Who said?", and she said: "Zelenskyy," he
00:21:03said "Oh," okay, and kept silent,
00:21:06and then, when the Ukrainian journalist, a Ukrainian
00:21:10female journalist asked what would happen to Ukrainians who are
00:21:14in TPS status or U in America,
00:21:17he then delivered this whole tirade.
00:21:20what he wanted to say, you understand that he was provoked, I believe that
00:21:24it was, it was a classic Russian special operation, I
00:21:27saw how Russians do it, they, they agree with
00:21:31other journalists from other countries, and they do it that way,
00:21:34it was a pure provocation,
00:21:38and we need to, once again, I really ask our
00:21:41officials not to give such
00:21:45assessments personally to the US President,
00:21:49he is the President of the USA, I mean, I see, well, I will tell
00:21:52you honestly, even on my Facebook, when there are insults
00:21:56of various kinds, I remove all of it, because these are not
00:21:59jokes, he really, not just gets offended
00:22:03by such things, when he says that he was not given the Nobel Prize, this
00:22:06is a very internal wound of his, it
00:22:09really affects him, when he says that they said
00:22:12he is weak, so that you understand, if he had acted
00:22:15differently, perhaps, then he will not
00:22:19act differently now. So we need to be careful with this, he is such
00:22:22a person, so it's better to keep quiet, inflict more strikes
00:22:26on oil refineries, and not listen, and I believe that in this
00:22:29case there are things that are higher
00:22:32than, even, well, whatever
00:22:36it was, trust is undermined, not by us, it is undermined
00:22:40by the Americans, well, Trump, his entourage,
00:22:43and it may, it will never equalize, never
00:22:46between, by the way, I will tell you... well, between
00:22:50President Zelenskyy and I think
00:22:54between anyone who would be in this position now,
00:22:58there would be no chemistry with Donald Trump
00:23:01of this 47th vintage, there would be no chemistry, but we cannot
00:23:05lose these contacts, these
00:23:07opportunities, we need to do what
00:23:10the Europeans did correctly when he started,
00:23:14well, you saw what serious information
00:23:17attacks were on European countries. And he
00:23:20said so many things about Norway, now he is offended by it, because there is the Nobel
00:23:24Committee, about Canada, what did he say? They initially
00:23:27reacted emotionally, and then they
00:23:30spat on it, because they listened to their intelligence services, psychologists, and
00:23:33simply started doing what needed to be done for their
00:23:37national security. If now, for our national
00:23:41security, in the war, it
00:23:44obviously now helps us to bring peace closer, we need to strike
00:23:48oil refineries, then any statement by Trump, meaning, to stop
00:23:51striking, must be, well, so that we are
00:23:54prepared for this, the consequence must be an increase
00:23:57in strikes, until there is a whole list
00:24:01of proposals from Russia, regarding which not to strike, let them
00:24:04send to Trump, not to us, let Putin send
00:24:08to Trump, these are the targets in Russia that exist so
00:24:11that they are not struck, and we in our turn, Ukraine
00:24:15will send its list of what not to strike from us, and then this
00:24:19is a serious conversation. And so this was, this was such
00:24:22a way, you know, Trump's, by the way, not bad, actually,
00:24:25it just didn't work,
00:24:28it didn't work, and it won't work further, if we do
00:24:32our job, but not call Trump various
00:24:35names, no, no, no, you absolutely correctly
00:24:38outlined, well, the norms of our
00:24:41wise diplomatic behavior, I remind our viewers that
00:24:45Ukrainian political and state figure, Ukrainian diplomat
00:24:48Valeriy Chaly worked for them now. Head
00:24:52of the Ukrainian Crisis Media Center, Extraordinary and
00:24:55Plenipotentiary Ambassador of Ukraine - this is a diplomatic rank. Well, I
00:24:59thank everyone who watched our broadcast and
00:25:02who joined our Espresso poll. So,
00:25:06the question was quite simple. Who, in your opinion, dear
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00:25:15Klitschko - 27%.
00:25:18Kyiv City Military... administration 41%,
00:25:22Cabinet of Ministers - 9%, President's Office -
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00:30:19figure, head of the board of the charitable foundation Fundacja Polki Mogam
00:30:22Shistko in the Europeans project. Children from Ukraine often say, we
00:30:26already know how hard it is to dream, plan and lose
00:30:29it. Tuesday, October 6 at 5:00 PM. with a repeat on
00:30:33Sunday, October 11. It's very hard to believe that those
00:30:37people who hosted people from Ukraine in their homes
00:30:40have now changed 180°.
00:30:43Europeans with Lesya Vakulyuk on Espresso.
00:30:57American President Donald Trump announced...
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