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00:00:57American President Donald Trump announced an energy
00:01:00truce between Ukraine and Russia, by the way, he is not doing this for the
00:01:03first time, but now, as the American press wrote,
00:01:07an energy truce in the understanding of the head of the White House means that
00:01:10Russia and Ukraine cease attacks
00:01:13only on each other's oil refineries, Ukraine has only
00:01:17one refinery, and it is not operating at full capacity, unlike Russia, there are dozens of them,
00:01:20this is Svoboda Live, I am Vlasta Lazur, today we are talking about Trump's and Putin's diesel
00:01:24deal, what remained behind the scenes and what
00:01:27consequences Ukraine should prepare for.
00:01:34Now, but if Russia wants us to stop our long-range
00:01:37strikes on its oil refineries and oil exports,
00:01:40then Russia must stop its strikes on our
00:01:44energy system and critical infrastructure, and
00:01:48also stop killing our people, this
00:01:50is fair.
00:01:57This is Volodymyr Zelensky's response to Donald Trump's statements about an energy
00:02:00truce, which he announced the day before, after
00:02:04advising Ukraine to choose a new leader and complaining about Ukrainian strikes on
00:02:08Russian refineries. Volodymyr Zelensky, well, judging by this statement, clearly
00:02:11made it clear that an energy truce in his understanding and Trump's understanding are
00:02:15different things. Well, then, in the relations between Donald Trump and Volodymyr
00:02:18Zelensky, there is a crisis again, perhaps the biggest since their quarrel in
00:02:22the White House, which was in February that year? The consequence of deteriorating
00:02:25relations may be the blocking of arms supplies to Ukraine and
00:02:28the cessation of intelligence exchange. Kyiv fears this the most, writes the Western
00:02:32press. Over the weekend, dozens of statements
00:02:36and frames were made, so chronologically, I will probably remind you about
00:02:39the main ones. So, last Friday, October 9, late
00:02:42in the evening Kyiv time, Donald Trump announced an agreement with Vladimir
00:02:45Putin on the supply of Russian diesel fuel to American and other
00:02:49markets. With this news, Trump announced lower fuel
00:02:52prices for Americans. He said, I made a deal, and now fuel prices
00:02:56will be record low. Zelensky reacted to... The next day,
00:03:00October 10, in a comment for the American publication Axios, he called Trump's and
00:03:04Putin's deal unfair and unjust.
00:03:07It seems that for the Ukrainian side, this deal came as a complete surprise. The thing
00:03:11is that a day before the deal, Zelensky announced another round of negotiations in
00:03:14the USA. The delegation went to Miami. Its members included
00:03:18MP and head of the Servant of the People faction Davyd Arakhamia, head of the foreign intelligence
00:03:22service Rustem Umierov, head of the president's office Kyrylo Budanov
00:03:26and his deputy Serhiy Kyslytsia. From the American side were
00:03:29to be. Whitkov and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner. Let me remind you, two
00:03:32weeks ago they visited Kyiv. It was expected that the parties
00:03:36would continue negotiations, and prepare some groundwork for
00:03:39a trilateral meeting. That is, nothing foreshadowed trouble.
00:03:42And so to speak, it turns out that at the same time, when the Ukrainian
00:03:46negotiating team was already in Miami, at the same time in
00:03:49Washington, Donald Trump announced the achieved diesel deal with
00:03:53Vladimir Putin. Eventually, the negotiations in Miami ended prematurely, and
00:03:56Vladimir Zelensky stated that the USA used the meeting in Miami
00:04:00to cover up its agreements with Putin. In
00:04:03response, Donald Trump stated that Ukraine needs to find a new
00:04:07president who, he said, will be able to make a deal. Well, and
00:04:10of course, and this is the main thing, he criticized Zelensky for the strikes on
00:04:14Russian refineries. They, he said, led to the fuel
00:04:17crisis.
00:04:21Zelensky could have ended this war, not once, but many, many
00:04:24times, but he chooses not to. I told him: do
00:04:28what you want, just don't touch the oil refineries, there are countless other
00:04:32targets, don't touch the refineries, he went and hit them. I
00:04:35advise them to choose a new leader, capable of making a deal, because he could have
00:04:39made many deals, but for some reason he is not
00:04:41doing so.
00:04:44And of course, Trump's statement about the need to change the Ukrainian president is, this
00:04:48is certainly a clear sign of a crisis in relations. Zelensky stated that
00:04:51Ukraine is ready to hold elections if Putin agrees to a 60-day
00:04:54truce. On the one hand, it's difficult to understand how Zelensky wants to hold elections
00:04:58in two months, on the other hand. Russia rejected the idea of such a truce,
00:05:02so there is nothing to talk about yet. Well, returning to Trump, his deal with
00:05:05Putin is criticized not only here in Ukraine, but also in the USA, Chuck
00:05:09Schumer, Jeanne Shaheen and Elizabeth Warren, these are senators. Democrats
00:05:12issued a joint statement, in which they called the Trump-Putin deal
00:05:16a betrayal of Ukraine. Another Democratic senator Richard Blumenthal
00:05:20called Trump's act a disgrace, helping
00:05:22Putin's war economy is immoral, said Don
00:05:25Bacon, Republican congressman. Another
00:05:28Republican congressman Michael McCaul said that he understands
00:05:32Trump's desire to lower fuel prices, but he is concerned that
00:05:36now the USA is financing the Kremlin's war machine. At the same time, Elon Musk,
00:05:39the owner of SpaceX, which, I remind you, provides... the Armed Forces with Starlink
00:05:43satellite internet, supported Trump, commenting on the US president's words about
00:05:47Ukraine's strikes on Russian oil refineries. He wrote the following: Zelensky
00:05:51went too far. In his other comment, Musk
00:05:54added that yes, it's time for Ukraine to find a new leader. If we leave elections
00:05:58aside, then as of now, the main requirement, or even
00:06:01an ultimatum condition of the Trump administration is the cessation
00:06:04of Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil refineries. If Kyiv does not stop
00:06:08strikes on oil refineries, the USA threatens to block arms supplies
00:06:11and. intelligence exchange, writes the American press
00:06:14Financial Times, CNN. The cessation of intelligence exchange can,
00:06:18the cessation of intelligence exchange can affect the combat capabilities
00:06:21of the Armed Forces, military observers say, and as for obtaining
00:06:24weapons, let me remind you, the USA indeed supplies weapons to Ukraine, but not
00:06:28for free, European partners will pay for the weapons,
00:06:31whether Trump will agree to refuse to sell
00:06:35weapons, well, that's a separate issue, we will discuss it now, and in general, could this crisis
00:06:38have been avoided somehow, after all, this is really not the first time, what to do
00:06:42now to minimize the consequences, and in fact, if we talk about these
00:06:45consequences, then what can they be? Let's analyze, people's deputies join
00:06:49our broadcast, this is Yehor Cherniv, representative of the Servant of the People
00:06:53and representative of the Committee on National Security, Defense and Intelligence, with us
00:06:56is Oleksiy Honcharenko. Oleksiy, I am still representing you as a representative
00:07:00of European Solidarity, I haven't seen you excluded, and with us
00:07:03is also Ambassador Oleg Shamshur, Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary and Ambassador
00:07:07of Ukraine to the USA in
00:07:15understand what is happening and what
00:07:18to do now with your help. My first question, I understand that history does not tolerate
00:07:21умовного способу, але як ви вважаєте, чи можна було цієї кризи
00:07:25повністю або частково уникнути,
00:07:28Єгоре?
00:07:30I think no, absolutely, because we must
00:07:33understand the reasons for such a crisis and
00:07:37the main positions from the United
00:07:40States, it's not about Ukraine, it's about relations
00:07:44with the Russian Federation, firstly, and secondly,
00:07:47a-a, Trump just wants to accuse
00:07:51Ukraine of high prices on
00:07:55the domestic diesel market. Which
00:07:58absolutely lacks logic or
00:08:01confirmation, because, even if we
00:08:04assume that the Russian Federation, we
00:08:07would, if we hadn't hit these same refineries, and it still
00:08:11sold. diesel for export, then the Russian
00:08:15Federation in its best times had
00:08:1912% of the world,
00:08:23world market and 3% of diesel consumption
00:08:26in the world, that is, it
00:08:30is and it is for
00:08:32the whole world, I emphasize, yes,
00:08:35plus the fact that the Russian Federation
00:08:39offered Trump in the form of. help with
00:08:43this diesel, that is 1.8
00:08:47cumulatively million tons
00:08:50of diesel, and this until April 7,
00:08:53it will not affect domestic prices at all, because consumption
00:08:57there is many
00:09:00times more than, and energy experts say this, but if
00:09:04we talk about the diplomatic side of the issue, do you think that this crisis
00:09:07could not be avoided, I believe it
00:09:11could not. because in principle, from what I
00:09:15see, how Trump behaves in relations with the Russian
00:09:18Federation, he in principle constantly helps
00:09:22Russia not to fall and not to collapse, in this
00:09:25case through such actions
00:09:27regarding the diesel deal.
00:09:30Oleksiy, do you agree with what Yehor says, do you think
00:09:34this crisis could have been avoided?
00:09:37Unfortunately, I don't agree with what Yehor says for a very simple
00:09:41reason. If we had one single problem in
00:09:45Ukraine in foreign policy, and it was with Donald Trump,
00:09:48then I would say that, well, indeed, maybe we should look for the
00:09:52reason here, because, you see, with everyone else everything is fine, but with Donald Trump
00:09:56it's bad. Should I remind you that we are the only country in the world
00:10:00that currently has a conflict with North Korea and with South
00:10:03simultaneously. North simply fights against us together with
00:10:06Russia, but this should have naturally led us to very
00:10:10good and close relations with South Korea, but somehow
00:10:13we managed with them, to America, let's go back to America,
00:10:16with Korea this is an example, you asked, you asked
00:10:20me, so look, do we have, well, what country, with all
00:10:23neighbors it's difficult. Well, I'm not talking about Russia at all, it's clear
00:10:27here that it's an aggressor, but with all others too, and when
00:10:31our president, well, everyone knows, everyone
00:10:34knows that for Donald Trump it's a red
00:10:37flag, it's any
00:10:39public, devaluation
00:10:43of his power,
00:10:52same can be done, at least without the press, when'... constantly commenting
00:10:55on all this to various publications very often, which for Trump
00:10:59look like they are affiliated with his rivals, the Democrats, this
00:11:03is a mistake, this is just a mistake, well, and the last thing, which
00:11:06also, the question is simple, what prevents us from at least having an ambassador in
00:11:10the United States of America, a separate topic in the USA
00:11:13does not exist, well, as a separate one, this is the answer, this is the answer to your
00:11:16question, could this have been avoided, well, in order to
00:11:20avoid this, countries actually have ambassadors, Ambassador Shamshur was once
00:11:23an excellent ambassador of Ukraine. To the United States of America, if at that moment when
00:11:27he worked there, we had no ambassador, then our relations would have been
00:11:31more difficult then too, we just were not at
00:11:34war, such, and now we are in such a war that makes
00:11:38this position even more important, we don't have anyone there at all, I
00:11:42remind you, I remind you, Volodymyr Zelensky made a statement at the end of August
00:11:45that he already has a candidate for ambassador to the USA, but after that we do not
00:11:49see any steps, Mr.
00:11:51Ambassador, for you today, you know, the role of an arbiter. How do you
00:11:55think, who of the deputies is right,
00:11:58could this crisis have been avoided and to what extent? I would
00:12:02say this way, avoiding, not avoiding,
00:12:05maybe not so, important,
00:12:09it is clear that, let's say, some
00:12:12statements were too emotional, but
00:12:16the main thing is that we once again fell into the
00:12:20millstones of American
00:12:22politics, that is, everything... it is necessary to explain
00:12:26the situation that arose primarily
00:12:28due to what is happening in
00:12:32American politics, that is,
00:12:35midterm elections are approaching, Trump, despite his
00:12:38bravado, is aware of how this looks now, and what
00:12:42consequences it may have for him and for his
00:12:45Republican party, the main issue is
00:12:49the issue of the purchasing power
00:12:53of Americans, the main issue is
00:12:56inflation, the issue
00:12:59of fuel prices, and
00:13:02it is clear that everyone associates
00:13:05this with the war with Iran and the situation that
00:13:09has developed, particularly in the Romanian Strait.
00:13:12Trump needs to explain this somehow,
00:13:16it is clear that he cannot explain it a priori
00:13:19through mistakes, his
00:13:22political mistakes, this absolutely unnecessary and senseless
00:13:26war with Iran, and
00:13:28therefore he is looking for a way to explain this,
00:13:31such an explanation, strikes
00:13:34on oil refineries, Russian by Ukraine, I
00:13:38absolutely do not exclude that this idea could have been given to him
00:13:41by the Russians, or by those who, well, let's say,
00:13:45are close to both Trump and the Russians, and
00:13:48in this way he decided to choose
00:13:52Ukraine as a scapegoat. At the same time, I would like to
00:13:55emphasize that I absolutely do not exclude that
00:13:58he really believes that prices are affected
00:14:02by Ukrainian strikes on
00:14:05Russian oil refineries, this is typical Trump. And in
00:14:09principle, the situation that has developed
00:14:13can certainly have very bad consequences, and you
00:14:16have already spoken about arms supplies,
00:14:19and about intelligence data
00:14:23supplies. But I also
00:14:26see that in the long run the relations between Trump and
00:14:29Zelensky will be even worse, this could have been,
00:14:33well, a priori, again, survived, if it wasn't for
00:14:37Trump, who is inclined to look at bilateral
00:14:40relations, in any variant, through the prism of his attitude towards
00:14:44this or that foreign leader, in
00:14:47this case we are dealing with
00:14:51a negative, such a negative attitude towards the president.
00:14:55of Ukraine, that's how the situation looks, and I
00:14:58think, that the election results will affect
00:15:02it, if they are bad
00:15:06for Trump, then Ukraine and Zelensky will again be appointed
00:15:09as the main responsible for bad results. Then I have
00:15:12a question for Yehor Cherniv, you represent the defense intelligence committee, we are now
00:15:16talking about the risk that Ukraine will stop intelligence exchange, I understand
00:15:20that it is not so much an exchange as
00:15:23the USA literally provides this intelligence to Ukraine, it's about the supply
00:15:27of American weapons, yes, which are bought, but nevertheless, they are supplied
00:15:30from the United States, how seriously do you take these warnings
00:15:34that all this can stop against the background of this crisis?
00:15:39we have already been through this, and unfortunately, it is
00:15:42possible, but we have certain safeguards,
00:15:46we learned lessons after the first
00:15:50such case, when we were
00:15:53cut off, they stopped sharing intelligence with us,
00:15:57firstly, we, found
00:16:00alternatives with our European colleagues,
00:16:03yes, they are not in such a volume as we need, as they provide
00:16:08the United States, firstly,
00:16:10secondly, our friends in Congress, in particular
00:16:14through our requests, to introduce an amendment to one of
00:16:17the laws, in which, which sounds something like this,
00:16:21that before making a decision, the Pentagon or
00:16:24the CIA, regarding
00:16:28the suspension of intelligence data provision, must
00:16:31consult with the relevant intelligence committee
00:16:35of Congress.
00:16:38Now Congress is practically no longer working, now
00:16:41it is preparing for new
00:16:44elections, so yes, they can violate,
00:16:47well, theoretically they can violate,
00:16:50but the responsibility
00:16:53of both the Pentagon and the CIA before
00:16:56Congress does not disappear,
00:16:59so in short, can
00:17:02they do it, they can, but now we are more prepared than
00:17:06we were. when it happened the first time, meaning you are ready for
00:17:10intelligence sharing to stop and arms supplies too, are you
00:17:13ready for arms supplies from the United States to stop? With
00:17:16weapons it's more complicated, because a certain number of Patriot
00:17:20missiles we still receive under the Pell program,
00:17:23and here it is necessary, this is when Europeans pay, it means,
00:17:27yes, Europeans pay, and
00:17:30Europeans still, even despite these small
00:17:33batches. find in their
00:17:36own warehouses
00:17:39what they can allocate, even despite the fact that they
00:17:43reduce their defense capability below the critical level,
00:17:46in particular this is the same Germany,
00:17:49in European countries there are approximately another
00:17:53600 Patriot missiles available
00:17:57for that, well, in their warehouses, how many
00:18:01they will be able to transfer to us, negotiations are currently underway and
00:18:04gradually some. are provided to us, this
00:18:08is the most critical part of what is purchased in the United
00:18:12States, besides this there are
00:18:15spare parts for this equipment that we use,
00:18:19well, and some other nomenclature,
00:18:21but it is not as critical as the missiles for
00:18:25Patriot. Oleksiy, a question for you, you
00:18:28criticized the diplomatic side of the coin,
00:18:31mentioned that there is no ambassador, and what
00:18:34to do now to minimize the consequences, I can even give your example, you
00:18:37recently proposed your peace plan, you say let's involve third
00:18:41countries, you saw today an example, Donald Trump announced
00:18:44an energy truce, and
00:18:47Russia and that elections should be held
00:18:51there, Russia is generally not ready to accept anything
00:18:54that Donald Trump says, and here is an example for you, when Russia is really not
00:18:57ready for peace,
00:18:59миру,
00:19:02definitely not ready for peace, there is no doubt about that, but that does not mean
00:19:06that one cannot conduct. talks and persuade them to this peace, it is precisely
00:19:10my peace plan, as you called it, that proposed
00:19:13expanding the circle of countries through which we work, I just spoke about
00:19:17the fact that working exclusively through the USA is a mistake, and that
00:19:21it is necessary to break it down into tracks, involve other countries. Secondly,
00:19:24it is obvious that Trump's statement or his post on
00:19:27social networks, there Truth Social, well, this is such
00:19:30diplomacy, when I spoke about diplomacy, it is still real
00:19:34negotiations, and I just, you asked, what should
00:19:37be done, I will tell you what should be done, well,
00:19:41firstly, there are banal things, such as, for example, appointing at least an ambassador and
00:19:44appointing preferably such an ambassador who will not be suspected
00:19:48of corruption after some time, as it was with the previous ambassador,
00:19:51but there is also
00:19:54recognizing reality and acting accordingly, what do I mean, it was not
00:19:57a secret, and not only this concerns the USA, now we are talking about
00:20:01the USA and Diesel, and remember the recent decision
00:20:04of the Europeans to lift sanctions from Usmanov and Fridman. Remember
00:20:07the recent decision of Great Britain, our close friend, to lift
00:20:11sanctions from Russian kerosene, when they needed it, and remember the recent
00:20:15decision of Estonia, well, it seems, the closest country, on certain
00:20:19Russian companies where they need and benefit from it, so
00:20:22it is obvious that there is a certain erosion of sanctions, and it is obvious
00:20:26that we cannot influence this, because they may simply not ask us, no one will
00:20:30ask us, but will do as they see fit, so let's,
00:20:34and we knew that for the USA this is a question, and we... knew about
00:20:38this and it was just necessary to involve
00:20:41our interest in this, what we would be ready for, let's say, if we
00:20:45still cannot stop it, let Russian diesel go to world
00:20:49markets, but... along with it, Ukrainian grain also goes to world markets, and
00:20:52for this, the blockade of ports, attacks on ships that
00:20:56go to Ukrainian ports, and so on and so forth must stop. Politics and
00:21:00diplomacy is the art of the possible, you are talking
00:21:03about exchange, you are talking about exchange, unfortunately,
00:21:06yes, yes, I am saying that we are, unfortunately, chasing
00:21:10the impossible, losing
00:21:13opportunities, excuse the tautology, to achieve the possible, that's
00:21:17what I mean, and this is the problem. And we repeat
00:21:21this mistake again and again, so in my
00:21:24opinion, we need to act this way, and I repeat, turn on
00:21:27first of all the mode of no comments, no criticism
00:21:30of Trump, it adds nothing to us, as my colleague said,
00:21:34well, we will live without intelligence data, and without their weapons, well,
00:21:38excuse me, but what does that mean we will live, not everyone will live without
00:21:41it, we will pay for this, we will pay
00:21:44the highest possible price for this, more new lost Ukrainian
00:21:47military personnel, civilians and so on. We must not allow this, for
00:21:51this someone just needs to shut their mouth publicly, for this
00:21:55it is necessary to form a team that is capable of achieving
00:21:58results, because if the same people go to the same
00:22:01places with the same task, and they always have the same
00:22:05result, namely zero, then something needs to
00:22:07be changed, Mr. Ambassador, I will give you the floor now,
00:22:11excuse me, I want Yehor to react, how much do you agree with
00:22:14what your colleague says, could we really exchange
00:22:18not striking oil refineries for something? use,
00:22:21використати,
00:22:24I agree 0%, because it is
00:22:28very
00:22:30easy to comment on this whole story when you are not
00:22:34inside the perimeter and do not understand
00:22:37how, what is the logic of events
00:22:41in the Kremlin, in
00:22:44the United States, then you can say that well,
00:22:47nothing was done, and the fact that... that
00:22:50any truce options were proposed,
00:22:54starting from a truce in the Black Sea, a grain truce,
00:22:58an energy truce, an air truce, a naval
00:23:02truce, a complete truce,
00:23:05stopping the war, and so on, and so on, and so on, and
00:23:09none of these options was ever supported by the Russian
00:23:13Federation, through the United States,
00:23:16through Europe, through third, through fifth. through
00:23:20ten countries, through the Middle East, I remind you,
00:23:23that we worked through all possible countries that can
00:23:27reach the Kremlin, but here it is necessary to
00:23:31understand inside our
00:23:34country that the issue is not with Ukraine and not with
00:23:37the United States, the issue is exclusively with
00:23:40Russia, which does not want to stop,
00:23:44and does not want any truce, and this whole
00:23:47story about us, let's take some... small
00:23:50steps to reach real
00:23:53peace, would work great, if the Russian
00:23:57Federation made some
00:24:00compromises, everything else is a farce, and these proposals
00:24:04that it can work, all
00:24:08possible options
00:24:10for
00:24:20him, so... life does not confirm what my colleague says, in
00:24:222022 we agreement on the grain
00:24:25corridor, three months ago ships went to Ukrainian
00:24:29ports, not in 2022, but three months
00:24:33ago ships went, this means that it is
00:24:36possible to negotiate, concrete fact, this
00:24:40is not theorizing, not slogans, about which nothing
00:24:43is possible, this is a fact that was, this is a fact that can be
00:24:47achieved again if you work on it. And if you just
00:24:50say that nothing is possible, well, of course, then nothing will happen,
00:24:54if the Armed Forces of Ukraine said, nothing is possible,
00:24:57to stop such a country and the Russian army, then there would be no
00:25:01Ukraine. Excuse me, Mr.
00:25:04Ambassador, what do you think about how to minimize
00:25:08the consequences now, and is it possible to minimize them at all, and to
00:25:11what extent? Well, first of all, I would like to say that I
00:25:15believe that the cessation of intelligence
00:25:18data supply and
00:25:21the provision of weapons, including through the PUR, this is quite
00:25:25real. The fact that American lawmakers
00:25:28morally and
00:25:31ethically approved it may be pleasant, but it is unlikely to
00:25:34affect Trump. Secondly, I
00:25:38believed and still believe, it may be very simple,
00:25:42but until Putin is stopped,
00:25:45that is, until the situation
00:25:49on the front is stabilized, and until
00:25:52the sanctions regime is
00:25:56tightened, he will not stop, and
00:25:59any negotiations with him, and the expectation of a positive
00:26:03outcome of these negotiations is an absolute
00:26:05illusion. Third, answering your
00:26:09question, what can be done now?
00:26:12Well, the simplest thing is, as already mentioned, the appointment
00:26:16of an ambassador. As I said, this ambassador must
00:26:19be a very skilled, effective communicator,
00:26:23and he can and should lead
00:26:26the process of collecting reliable information. The fact that we
00:26:29found ourselves and were surprised
00:26:34by Trump just indicates that both diplomacy and our
00:26:38intelligence agencies are not collecting enough information.
00:26:41What can be done now, in my opinion, unfortunately, very
00:26:45little. That is, now, I would
00:26:48say two things, well, as we say, two
00:26:52tracks. The external track, this really needs to
00:26:56focus on
00:26:59negotiations, agreements, development
00:27:02plans with our European partners, because
00:27:06a lot depends on them now. Can
00:27:09Trump be influenced? I believe
00:27:12that now it is impossible, we need to
00:27:15wait for the elections
00:27:18to take place, and unfortunately, in
00:27:22any scenario, it also does not look very
00:27:25is the internal track, that is, we definitely need to make
00:27:29changes within the country that
00:27:32we, say, expect, society expects
00:27:36from the government, from the president, and which are not
00:27:39happening. That is, without changing
00:27:42the model of power
00:27:45that we have, that is, both cleansing the government and a more effective
00:27:49model, and not a model when five or six people who
00:27:53are close to the president, but are clearly not the most
00:27:55competent, that is, to count on external factors
00:27:59working without us making
00:28:03radical changes within the country, in my opinion, is also an
00:28:06illusion. Yegor, you raised your hand, but let me ask you a question,
00:28:10maybe you know, what about the ambassador? Look, how long has there been no
00:28:14ambassador? This is the first question, and the second question, it
00:28:17really looks strange that in the delegation there is the head of the foreign
00:28:21intelligence service, and the news about the diesel deal between Putin and
00:28:25Trump somehow caught Ukraine by surprise, or don't you have such
00:28:29questions?
00:28:32Well, I will first
00:28:35comment
00:28:37on the Black Sea and the fact that ships
00:28:40sailed, and ships sailed, in 2022
00:28:44drones did not fly, the war is changing and the goals are changing
00:28:47and the capabilities of both sides are changing, and both sides
00:28:51within
00:28:54their capabilities inflict strikes, and in
00:28:57this case we had
00:29:01an agreement with the Russian Federation and
00:29:03an agreement with the Turks, through
00:29:06the Turks with the Russian Federation about the same corridor. At that time they
00:29:10were ready. Now they are not ready.
00:29:13Again, I will repeat, that this proposal
00:29:17was sent through the United States, through third countries
00:29:20to the Russian Federation, it refused this
00:29:23truce. As for
00:29:26the ambassador, honestly, I don't know, I don't have
00:29:29information about the problem with finding an ambassador, well, probably,
00:29:33that there is no such candidate who
00:29:36would
00:29:38combine all the necessary qualities and
00:29:42experience and good relations with Republicans
00:29:45and Trump, and that she would be there,
00:29:49I know that some
00:29:53quite highly
00:29:55placed
00:29:57and experienced diplomats
00:30:01were offered, but they refused
00:30:04such a proposal. As
00:30:07for the second question, what was it,
00:30:11I was surprised, I expressed surprise that the whole
00:30:14head of the foreign intelligence service, whose family
00:30:17lives in the United States, I don't know how ethical, correct and
00:30:21safe this is, but he went to the United States
00:30:24and didn't know that there would be such a surprise
00:30:27here, also a good
00:30:30question, does this show the qualification
00:30:34of the foreign intelligence service? Probably so,
00:30:37mm-hmm, but honestly, our guru, well, this is
00:30:41my personal perception,
00:30:44works better in principle historically with information
00:30:48gathering, and well, plus we
00:30:51don't conduct intelligence
00:30:54against the United States, no, well,
00:30:58it's just such a...