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00:00:50tell Melina a football match that you
00:00:54attended and in which the football was a Russian
00:00:57soldier's skull, and that's one of your ghosts with whom uh you
00:01:00live and that you came back, yes, and and paradoxically, uh
00:01:04that's something that I hadn't told in my
00:01:08report for France 24 we were in Kupyansk and there was
00:01:11a body that had finally
00:01:14literally melted under the
00:01:16Despite his efforts, several sections of snow after weeks and weeks without the
00:01:20Russians wanting to retrieve it because we also have to explain the context and
00:01:24that a body that comes back that is
00:01:27despairing of retrieved by Russian soldiers is a dead person who at the same time... enters into
00:01:30statistics and can also give rise to
00:01:33bonuses for the women or the
00:01:36mothers, well, or the family, so the bodies were often
00:01:39abandoned on the front and after a while there were
00:01:43some Ukrainians who retrieved the bodies to be able to exchange them with the bodies of their own
00:01:47soldiers and then there were some who remained like that in the snow and
00:01:51so it was no longer a body, in fact it was no longer than a skeleton, but
00:01:55when they started playing, uh laughing
00:01:57moreover, it's really me, it's
00:02:00laughter, that's what comes to mind, uh I didn't tell myself these people are
00:02:03horrible they are monsters, in fact
00:02:07they also lost their humanity in the midst of this war
00:02:29is... that of reporters on the ground, is that the
00:02:33reality of this war in Ukraine, is
00:02:36the offensive launched by Russia contrary to what Russia
00:02:39would like to establish as a
00:02:42narrative that launched the large-scale offensive in February 2022, it's
00:02:454 and a half years old, but you're not
00:02:48driving and non-compliance with the there to sell the narrative of anyone,
00:02:51including Ukraine, a nation under attack, you're not
00:02:54doing communications for the Ukrainian army, and there
00:02:58you also have to find that fair.
00:04:18the way I delved back into archives because I
00:04:21was following a Chechen
00:04:24the MEP largely won the primary of battalion fighting alongside the Ukrainians, it was in 2023
00:04:28and I said to myself, well, I'm going to delve back into the archives of
00:04:32Chechnya, because it's also another country that was
00:04:35invaded by Russia, there were two Chechen wars, and I
00:04:39saw how my colleagues, some of whom still exist,
00:04:42covered Grozny in particular, and I was able to draw a
00:04:45parallel with the way we talked about it, because
00:04:48the survivors of the the question arises, what do we show, where does it become voyeurism
00:04:51where does it become indecent, where does
00:04:54the information stop, what do we do with it, are we there to shock
00:04:58people or are we there to? mask the reality, the reality that
00:05:02it can turn anyone into a monster, even if I don't like that word,
00:05:05and I saw that things that
00:05:08we showed in the past
00:05:11society destroy itself from are today but... but it's a paradox, we are saturated
00:05:14with abominable images on social networks, we see what's happening in
00:05:18Gaza live, we see people dying live on our phones,
00:05:22but when you're a journalist and you work for television, radio,
00:05:25sometimes you say to yourself: but can
00:05:28I show this, this is so horrible, and when I saw the
00:05:31way wars were covered years ago, I really
00:05:35asked myself that question and I don't have the answer by the way, we showed
00:05:39more things, we showed a lot more things, we weren't going to blur... there have
00:05:42been many debates among colleagues, among peers, among friends, what
00:05:46do we show, what do we blur? There's decency, of
00:05:49course, there are charters, there's our ethics, there's our
00:05:53morality, there are also our personal limits, and the question
00:05:56arises, what do I show to also make sure that people
00:06:00see and become aware of what
00:06:56country, there's well, and that doesn't mean that all
00:06:59Ukrainians are good
00:07:02victims, I put a lot of inverted commas around that expression, they all behave in
00:07:06a way, there are rights, there are possibilities to
00:07:09qualify certain things and we must not also. that the word
00:07:13uh or the battle of the word uh
00:07:16for certain things when the battle of the word becomes too
00:07:19important that it masks reality so we must at some
00:07:24says show
00:07:27reality face to face, so afterwards there are many ways to say it and I
00:07:31will talk about a report that was awarded at Prix Bayeux last year about the
00:07:35reality of rape of women in Kyiv, so what do we
00:07:38do, we hear testimonies from women as we already hear them.
00:07:42it doesn't move us at all anymore because we've heard them so much that we
00:07:46almost consider them almost as a
00:07:49fatality, what do we do because we put statistics, the statistics are
00:07:52phenomenal, they don't follow and well, this report showed
00:07:56or you show a war rape, this report
00:07:59showed nurses who were talking and on a table
00:08:03there was a small piece of dirty paper
00:08:06uh a razor blade
00:08:09uh rusty nails, there was a box.
00:08:13a box and this nurse said this is what we found in the
00:08:17vagina of a woman who came to see us uh this word
00:08:21that said we will exterminate you to the last of
00:08:24you that was put with rusty nails and all that and well
00:08:27that where we don't show the abominable but
00:08:31where we say the abominable well for me was much more
00:08:34powerful and I know it all the more because we did a show about this film
00:08:38and this scene is engraved uh in my memory and I...
00:08:42think of all those who saw this film Claude, indeed
00:08:46is it because the the the purpose
00:08:49of your book also Melina and it's a question we ask both of you
00:08:53I think when you come back from Ukraine or from well rather
00:08:56from Ukraine which concerns us Europeans in the first place
00:09:00is war at our doorstep, will this war that you saw
00:09:033 hours flight from Paris arrive,
00:09:06is there today in the speech of the Ukrainians you speak to or
00:09:10with whom you are in contact a kind of warning to us
00:09:14so I would say that in any case on the Ukrainian side but not
00:09:17only in Lebanon I was also told
00:09:19that there's really this thing
00:09:23of you don't realize Claude you
00:09:26said in your book the sound of boots, war at our
00:09:30doorstep, everyone's anxiety, and in fact I wanted to bounce back on war
00:09:33at our doorstep because we often use this term to talk about Ukraine, war
00:09:37is already here, in fact it's also what I want to explain in my
00:09:41essay, my essay because it's called Against War, but the subtitle is to be
00:09:45clear-headed, understand, act, we must clearly
00:09:48understand that today the
00:09:51notion, the boundary between peace and war,
00:09:55has considerably uh narrowed,
00:09:58blurred, it's very porous, we may not be in an
00:10:01open conflict today with weapons, but there is
00:10:05war that has seeped once again into all the interstices of our
00:10:07society, in fact we are in a hybrid conflict
00:10:11uh and... it's easier, that's what I explain in,
00:10:14I explain in my book, it's easier for a man like Putin,
00:10:18but not only to stay in his office thousands of kilometers away, to see a
00:10:24within. by its extreme polarization which is
00:10:27then exploited via interference, disinformation,
00:10:31everything we call hybrid warfare, which is a bit of a catch-all but which is a
00:10:34reality, than to put charts
00:10:38at the door of our borders, so I echo the sound of boots, war at our
00:10:42doorstep, everyone's anxiety that you wrote Claude, in fact war
00:10:45already has one foot in our doors, and now the question is
00:10:49what do we do, do we close this door by agreeing to see what
00:10:53is hanging over us or do we
00:11:24now. we need to be aware of it to be able to avoid it, do
00:11:27we remind what war does
00:11:30uh what it does what it does to living things, uh you
00:11:34tell this child in Lebanon Melina who knows how to recognize, he's 7 years old
00:11:38uh the sound of a rocket, to make a difference between the sound of a rocket and an
00:11:41Israeli bombing you ask yourself Claude what will become of the
00:11:45soldiers afterwards, uh
00:12:28which explains well the difficulty of making that hold in
00:12:31contracts, I wanted to, during
00:12:34the last anniversary of the war in Ukraine, I wanted to see the war from the perspective
00:12:38of children and grandchildren, because the war in Ukraine didn't start
00:12:42there, it started back in 2014 with the invasion of the
00:12:45Donbas and the annexation of Crimea, but for young
00:12:48children, what does it mean to live with sirens
00:14:50be fatalistic, it's just to be very realistic, peace
00:14:53is almost an anomaly... in fact in the history of humanity, we have this chance
00:14:57to have grown up, lived for the vast majority of us
00:15:01for 80 years on our metropolitan soil anyway,
00:15:04we must specify, in a country at peace, and have
00:15:08forgotten what that was like, even look, all
00:15:13Shoah are disappearing one after
00:15:17another, and we are in such an era of post-truth that
00:15:20sometimes people tell us that it never
00:15:23existed and... I think what's important, and that's
00:15:27what's happening in my opinion, is that there's an awareness that it can happen to anyone, at
00:15:31any time, and it shouldn't paralyze us, it should lead
00:15:34us to prepare for it to...
00:15:37avoid it, not because it's a naive and
00:15:41pacifist and stupid injunction, but because it's what will
00:15:44preserve us from the pain that all the people we met on our
00:15:48path with Claude and with others have
00:15:52been through, thank you very much to both of you for coming this morning to this set, the
00:15:55documentary film we were talking about earlier is called Tigray Rape, the Silent Weapon
00:15:59by Naba and Marianne Getti, your two
00:16:01books Against War at Payot Melina Huette To be
00:16:05Clear-headed, Understand and Act, Claude what
00:16:13tell us about the state of the world, we'll be back in about fifteen minutes for the rest of Let's Talk, see you later,
00:16:32it's the densest urban network in the country,
00:16:3532,000 km of roads used by 15 million
00:16:38vehicles, in Delhi, traffic never
00:16:42stops,
00:16:45cars, trucks, motorcycles, rickshaws, buses and bicycles must coexist
00:16:49in the chaos. Managing this traffic
00:16:52is a challenge for the traffic police.
00:16:55circulation.
00:16:58Some drivers violate the traffic code. They should have stopped
00:17:02there, but they continued to move here. As a result, they block
00:17:06traffic from the other direction. and I have to deal with these violations, it takes
00:17:10time to ticket everyone while continuing to regulate
00:17:12traffic.
00:17:15the Indian capital holds a sad record, with 5,000
00:17:19accidents and nearly 1,500 deaths on average per year, the roads of
00:17:23Delhi are among the most deadly in the country. We
00:17:26will drive through Delhi for 2 hours to find out what really
00:17:30puts people's lives in danger.
00:17:33Quickly, we see that the most basic rules are not respected.
00:18:12Every day, road accidents occupy a significant place in television
00:18:16news.
00:18:22Deaths often linked to reckless
00:18:26traffic code. Even the simplest measures, like seat belts,
00:18:29are often ignored. It was only
00:18:32in 2022 that the Indian government made wearing seat belts in the
00:18:36back mandatory. after the death of a billionaire in a
00:18:39collision while he was not
00:18:41buckled up.
00:18:46In 2023, two-wheeler drivers accounted for half
00:18:49of the 17,000 people killed on Indian roads.
00:18:53The absence of helmet use or the use of cheap helmets
00:18:57sold for a few euros and not compliant is regularly pointed
00:19:00out. In Mumbai, Karan Desai is
00:19:03a road safety trainer. He warns new
00:19:07drivers. against these poor quality
00:19:09equipment, there are different types of helmets on
00:19:13the Indian market,
00:19:15look at this low-end helmet, when a car runs over it, it breaks
00:19:19completely, however, a good quality helmet, as you can
00:19:23see, absorbs the weight of the car,
00:19:27Karan primarily addresses young people, for him, their lack
00:19:30of driving experience makes them the most vulnerable group to accidents,
00:19:34most road deaths, most accidents... concern
00:19:3818-35 year olds, so if we target them and they retain what we teach them
00:19:41during this training, it will clearly help them once on the road to feel
00:19:45safer, and it can also protect other
00:19:48users. The idea is really to instill in them a
00:19:51culture of safety from the start. Prevention
00:19:55campaigns may be multiplying, but another scourge
00:19:58continues to claim lives on Indian roads. Very often,
00:20:01emergency response is too late.
00:20:04Swarnendubos lost his best friend in a road
00:20:08accident in 2023. Pillouch, 30 years old,
00:20:11was riding his motorcycle when another driver hit him from behind.
00:20:15Seriously injured in the head, he lay on the ground for 30 minutes
00:20:19without anyone coming to his rescue.
00:20:22The ambulance never
00:20:23arrived.
00:20:27Nobody stopped to help him. Nobody took even a few moments for my
00:20:30friend, not even 5 minutes. They could have at least called the
00:20:33police. A life is clearly worth nothing on Indian roads today.
00:20:38We really need to show more
00:20:39empathy,
00:20:43in the last 10 years, the Indian government has made road
00:20:47safety one of its priorities,
00:20:50particularly by modernizing its infrastructure. The
00:20:53highway network has grown from 9,000 to 140,000
00:20:57km. But several projects quickly showed construction
00:21:00defects, turning some roads into deadly
00:21:04traps. This is what Chatania
00:21:06Patil observed. This 29-year-old engineer has made it his
00:21:10mission to identify the multiple obstacles that can endanger
00:21:14the lives of
00:21:14motorists.
00:21:20You see, this barrier was hit by a vehicle and there are no more
00:21:24reflective elements. So
00:21:26if it stays on the ground, other drivers risk not seeing the
00:21:29diversion. That's why when I come across them during my
00:21:32journeys,
00:21:35I put them back in place. Last year, Chatanya
00:21:39traveled more than 500 km on foot along the highway connecting
00:21:42the city of Mumbai to the region of Goa. Documenting on
00:21:46social media, every pothole, every poorly designed section.
00:21:50or in a state of
00:21:50disrepair,
00:21:57the goal is to raise public awareness of the state of the
00:22:00road network and push authorities to
00:22:02act.
00:22:06the highway have still not been
00:22:08repaired.
00:22:14But this section has not been renovated. If a motorist
00:22:17arrives at high speed on this lane, imagine. what that will
00:22:20cause, the vehicle will fall into this gap, this situation must stop, that's
00:22:24why I keep calling on the authorities, they must intervene and repair this,
00:22:28it's their duty. The government has set itself the goal
00:22:32of halving the number of deaths on the roads by
00:22:352030, by relying on artificial intelligence,
00:22:38but without detailing concrete measures, a colossal
00:22:41challenge, on average, one person dies every
00:22:443 minutes on Indian
00:22:46roads.
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