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00:00:00I haven't seen any energy truce from the Russian side in the last 48 hours. And so he
00:00:04always said things very clearly, and President Trump himself presented it as such, saying: "I obtained a truce on both sides,
00:00:07the facts are there that say the Russians
00:00:11continued to bomb energy infrastructure in the last
00:00:14hours." So obviously,
00:00:18the French president said: this is what Finland
00:00:22promised ammunition today to the Ukrainians in the coming days to arm
00:00:26the F16s, your analysis. On the reaction of the Europeans,
00:00:30we will also come back to that of Donald Tusk, who also commented,
00:00:34who reacted, we must see that the Europeans
00:00:37are not simply looking to exist, that is to say that the strategic depth
00:00:40of Ukraine is Europe, and the Europeans
00:00:44for the past 2 years have substituted for the Americans
00:00:47in terms of supply, in terms of financial
00:00:51and also military support, and we must also remember
00:00:54that the first supplier and producer of weapons
00:00:57for Ukraine
00:01:00are the Ukrainians themselves, that is to say that there has been
00:01:04a form of transfer, but on the differentiating
00:01:06capabilities and what is truly needed
00:01:10to protect the Ukrainian sky, well, it must be noted,
00:01:14only the Americans have the means that are cruelly needed,
00:01:18namely these Patriot missiles,
00:01:21but also others, which they practically no longer have due to the
00:01:25war in fact. But
00:01:28to put it quite bluntly, perhaps much more than he wanted
00:01:31in the Middle East, and in the end,
00:01:35is that it is first and foremost when you are in an economy that is not a war economy,
00:01:38and this is also the difference with Russia,
00:01:41of willingness to draw these famous red lines. well, you have to see that building, designing,
00:01:45approaching, and has Zelensky manufacturing, and then sending
00:01:48these missiles here or there where they are needed
00:01:51is not off-the-rack, it's handmade,
00:01:55it's human sewn, it's artistic, a missile
00:01:59takes about between 24 and 36 months to be designed,
00:02:03that is to say that what has been sent, what has been destroyed,
00:02:06what has been used, will not allow stocks
00:02:10to be replenished before probably 2,
00:02:133, 4
00:02:16we must reread or 5 years, and since the priority for the Americans
00:02:19is themselves, then Israel, then potentially
00:02:22Taiwan and Ukraine, well, the Ukrainians must find solutions,
00:02:26and for now there is no palliative. So you mentioned
00:02:30the Norwegians, what do the Norwegians do?
00:02:33Well, they give ammunition to Finland, I saw, who promises ammunition,
00:02:37but then we're going to use planes
00:02:40to shoot down drones or missiles, again, it's extremely dangerous.
00:02:44I would remind you that 15 days ago some Ukrainian aces
00:02:48lost pilots again because a drone exploded next to them,
00:02:52must show Russia so these are extremely tough combat missions,
00:02:55and the effort, even if it is vigorous
00:02:59and even if it is formidable, it gets exhausted because
00:03:02in the end, it's a question of men, and here you have men and women
00:03:06who have been engaged on all fronts for 5 years.
00:03:09Virginie, on the ground, do the Ukrainians think that the Europeans
00:03:13can ultimately compensate for this lack of US support? This is what they hope,
00:03:17and I remember very well, 2 years ago, at the time of Donald Trump's election,
00:03:20I was in Ukraine and I was very surprised,
00:03:24I imagined before arriving that the Ukrainians would be for continuity
00:03:29And for the rest, and obviously support, rather a candidacy like Kamala Harris's,
00:03:32in the direct line of Joe Biden, and when I arrived, they told me no,
00:03:36not at all, we are for Donald Trump despite his statements,
00:03:40because they wanted him to shake things up, they told me, we are not for the status quo,
00:03:43we want things to change, and with Donald Trump, whatever
00:03:48to see the various member states panic. the person, it will change, in particular to the language of
00:03:51converging on the fact and we will move forward because he had promised, remember, to end the war in 24 hours. They are very disappointed,
00:03:55and when I was there, imagine after all that has happened, all these back and forths, and these highs and lows,
00:03:58and when I was there, he had already cut, it lasted 3 days,
00:04:02and I think the Ukrainians at that moment really held their breath,
00:04:05he had cut American intelligence, which he threatens to do again,
00:04:09and without that, the Ukrainians who are currently carrying out strikes in Russia
00:04:13will have a very hard time
00:04:15that the Allies have, carrying out these strikes because they obviously use American intelligence,
00:04:18so you can imagine that on that,
00:04:21interests me, especially with this artist from the Ukrainians were terribly disappointed and betrayed,
00:04:25that he wants to bear witness to we don't even know how many times, despite French and British intelligence.
00:04:28Guillaume Lasconjarias, who is supposed to compensate for this absence
00:04:32of American intelligence if Trump decides
00:04:34to disconnect,
00:04:37assassination attempts it's something that is always very difficult because the question of intelligence
00:04:39is what do we agree to share or not?
00:04:43In reality, the allies globally, other than the United States,
00:04:48that it has already begun. can try to make available, but the means they have are also much more limited
00:04:51than those of the Americans. The Starling galaxy
00:04:55does not compensate, not quite, not quite,
00:04:59because in fact, it's more than an intelligence network,
00:05:02it's first a galaxy, a constellation
00:05:04that allows communications, identifications, to fly drones,
00:05:09war on us, to identify missiles, etcetera, etcetera, and no other country
00:05:12has as much, well, maybe the Chinese,
00:05:16but the Chinese probably won't share their intelligence
00:05:20or their galaxy or their constellation. We don't ask them to,
00:05:23anyway, no, because I think that in any case,
00:05:26if there was, maybe, I speak under the control
00:05:29of Siby Berman, but if there was a country that benefited from this support,
00:05:33it would probably be Russia more than Ukraine.
00:05:36Yes, it's an ally of the Russians, well, an ally, no,
00:05:40because China doesn't consider itself to have allies,
00:05:44but in any case, it's clear that
00:05:48it rather supports Russia. Having said that, by exporting components
00:05:52used or exported to Ukraine too, drones come from China for Ukrainians
00:05:55and for Russians as well. Well, besides,
00:05:59it supplies components. So what is also concerning
00:06:03for the Ukrainians is that the Russians are developing their own
00:06:06Starlink system, Rasviet, and so
00:06:09they will indeed have information
00:06:13that they lost when the Ukrainians had asked
00:06:17Elon Musk to stop providing Starlink for Russia,
00:06:20and when they were disconnected at that moment,
00:06:23it had direct consequences on the front, it considerably disorganized
00:06:27the Russian forces along the front line because they obviously used it a lot for their drones.
00:06:30Would that still be the case today because that was at the very beginning of the war?
00:06:34Would the impact be as great in terms of disorganization?
00:06:38In war, and especially on the front line, the most essential thing
00:06:41is communication. Without communication,
00:06:45without what we call C2, command and control,
00:06:48you don't know where your troops are, you don't know where your enemy's troops are,
00:06:51you don't know how you're going to organize yourself, in short, you can't do anything.
00:06:55So in fact, if you don't have communication, you are in what we call a degraded mode,
00:06:58and in reality, you can neither attack,
00:07:02you can barely defend yourself, and above all, you are totally
00:07:05deaf, dumb, and blind. That's a lot of difficulty
00:07:09to fight in an environment that is extremely lethal.
00:07:13This shows independence from the United States,
00:07:17a little bit everywhere. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk,
00:07:20who called on all of the West to be firmer with Russia,
00:07:23let's listen to Donald Tusk. Ukraine will give in
00:07:27neither to force nor to intimidation.
00:07:30Poland will give in neither to force
00:07:32nor to intimidation. Europe, NATO,
00:07:36and the entire free world will not give in.
00:07:40This is the message that must be sent today
00:07:44from all capitals, from Warsaw to Washington.
00:07:48From Warsaw to Washington, it's interesting to see the language
00:07:51used by Donald Tusk, so he maintains this Atlanticism
00:07:55that the Poles love. They are still on the front line
00:07:58with Russia. Of course, the Poles are very Atlantist,
00:08:01and in any case, they don't want to directly attack
00:08:05Donald Trump. He also expresses
00:08:08a... but he doesn't say,
00:08:11we're done with the Americans, and we Europeans
00:08:14are still calling on the Americans, so because he has no other choice. Absolutely.
00:08:18The head of German internal intelligence has at least judged
00:08:21that Russia's aggressiveness towards Europe and Germany
00:08:25is lasting and independent of the duration of the war in Ukraine,
00:08:29with Moscow wanting to redraw geopolitics in Europe.
00:08:33So we are really in a dimension that goes beyond Ukraine,
00:08:36Guillaume Conjaria, this is truly a statement
00:08:40from today from the head of German internal intelligence, that is, Ukraine or not Ukraine,
00:08:44Russia is waging this hybrid war against Europe,
00:08:47which includes Ukraine but goes beyond it, quite right.
00:08:51In fact, it must be understood that most European countries
00:08:54have in recent months published what are called white papers,
00:08:58in fact, analyses of the security environment which are all finally
00:09:03that Ukraine is only a symptom of a much wider war
00:09:07and that even if there is an open war
00:09:10in Ukraine, it is simmering elsewhere
00:09:13and we have seen to what extent the Europeans
00:09:16in recent months have not stopped being tested. This has been done
00:09:20with drone flights, with Russian aircraft overflights,
00:09:24with the way they deliberately or not,
00:09:27but sometimes more deliberately than others,
00:09:30cut submarine cables, in short, with these stories
00:09:34of espionage, with an increasing escalation
00:09:38that goes as far as, for example, the case of Leipzig
00:09:41where you could have had an attack
00:09:44on a civilian airport and then with perhaps even
00:09:49on industry executives, this was the case of the head of KNDS
00:09:52I think or, pardon me, of Rheinmetall. So in fact, this hybrid war
00:09:56is a war below the threshold, but below the threshold means
00:10:00But since we are not able to attribute it,
00:10:04to officially name the culprit, we don't dare,
00:10:08except that on the other side, they know they are at war with us.
00:10:11Read the book, to promote Séline Marranger,
00:10:15"The War of Europe Has Already Begun." In fact, Russia has declared
00:10:21we refuse to be in the camp of those who believe
00:10:25that they must face such an aggressive attacker,
00:10:28but in fact, not defending oneself
00:10:32is also a weakness and that leads your aggressor
00:10:36to be always more aggressive, to always want
00:10:39to test you more and more. The more we retreat,
00:10:43the more we are considered weak, and the Ukrainians
00:10:47obviously evoke this hybrid war, in fact they say
00:10:51that they are in fact a kind of rampart
00:10:55against Russia striking the Baltic countries,
00:10:58so other European Union countries. So they are first
00:11:02the physical rampart of the war
00:11:05that could reach our doors, but obviously on informational warfare,
00:11:09they know how Russia works, and those who are very up to date
00:11:12on the subject are the Baltic countries.
00:11:15Uh, they experienced in Estonia
00:11:19the first very important hybrid attack,
00:11:23it was in 2007, an hybrid attack
00:11:27carried out by Russia on all the major institutions
00:11:31of the country, on the parliament, on the banks,
00:11:34on ministries. So the Baltic countries
00:11:38know very well what we are talking about and often tell us Europeans further west,
00:11:42we could say, who do not have this same culture
00:11:46and who have not had to deal with these attacks before,
00:11:49in any case, they are intensifying, that we have perhaps
00:11:52not sufficiently taken this threat seriously enough,
00:11:56but it is a threat when we talk about hybrid war,
00:12:00obviously it is difficult to know where it stands,
00:12:04to have weapons against it, it is extremely complicated.
00:12:07So precisely, the Baltic countries belong
00:12:11to NATO, does NATO adapt
00:12:15its defense plans to this hybrid war?
00:12:19Today, in any case, Alexus Grenkewich presented
00:12:22his theory of victory, that is, a better way
00:12:26to defeat Russia. He is in fact
00:12:29the head of NATO, and it was in Warsaw,
00:12:33Poland, precisely,
00:12:35because a security conference
00:12:38is currently being held in Warsaw, let's listen to him.
00:12:42We have no project,
00:12:43no intentions,
00:12:47no ambition other than the protection of our people.
00:12:50No one should confuse our defensive posture with weakness.
00:12:54However, if anyone were so imprudent as to attack us,
00:12:57we would fight and prevent them from achieving their goals.
00:13:02I want to make one essential point clear: I do not believe that a conflict is imminent or inevitable.
00:13:06To reassure, the Supreme Commander of NATO Forces in Europe,
00:13:10Sylvie Bermann, but in fact what he says
00:13:14is that NATO member countries
00:13:17where the red lines are in case of a hybrid attack,
00:13:20but it's not easy to define a red line,
00:13:25we remember that in diplomacy it's not simple.
00:13:29Uh no, because if in fact
00:13:32we don't respect our own red lines and they are crossed,
00:13:35then that's an admission of weakness. And what happened
00:13:39in Syria and in other cases also,
00:13:42uh the problem is that NATO can certainly help member states,
00:13:45we can do a minimum of things, but it's rather the member states
00:13:49who are responsible for the... against these hybrid attacks.
00:13:54he says, well, Russia is not ready to attack, which is interesting, is that the Baltic countries also say it,
00:13:58because there are very alarmist speeches. Remember that the German Defense Minister
00:14:02said last summer that it was in the summer of 2025
00:14:05that it might be the last summer in peace. And so the Baltic states say stop,
00:14:08because in fact, it gives Putin a reason
00:14:13So the answer is extremely difficult because of that, you have to find the right threshold.
00:14:17Has he reassured you, Guillaume Lasconjarias,
00:14:20the famous Commander-in-Chief of NATO, Alexus Grenkewich,
00:14:23when he has this type of discourse? For me, I would first specify,
00:14:26he is not the Commander-in-Chief of NATO, he is the boss,
00:14:30ultimately, he is the head of, not of the Military Committee,
00:14:33he is the head of Shape, in short, of the Allied Forces Command,
00:14:36that is to say, he is the most important military commander
00:14:40but what is interesting is that he has a dual role,
00:14:43he is also the head of the American forces in Europe,
00:14:46and so this dual role puts him in a particularly complicated
00:14:49situation right now, because he must
00:14:53both give a form of goodwill pledge
00:14:57on behalf of the other 31 allies, the United States plus the 31 others,
00:15:00and at the same time respect the instructions given
00:15:03to him by his chain of command, that is, ultimately,
00:15:07Trump, and when we listen to him, he is ultimately,
00:15:10I found him on a rather narrow line,
00:15:13but on which he only reiterates what has been said for several years,
00:15:16namely that NATO is first and foremost
00:15:19a defensive alliance, and that is the first thing,
00:15:23and that we must indeed
00:15:25set red lines, but what do these red lines mean?
00:15:29He doesn't really specify. Is it necessary to be able to shoot down drones
00:15:32over such and such a territory without giving more details?
00:15:35Well, we've already done it, so it's not new either,
00:15:39and against hybrid attacks, again, it's extremely complicated.
00:15:43NATO has difficulty against hybrid attacks
00:15:46because it's primarily the prerogative of nations
00:15:49to be resilient and prepared. So we systematically return
00:15:53to the difference between a characterized aggression
00:15:57to which we can respond by Article 5,
00:16:00a bit like the Musketeers' article, one for all and all for one,
00:16:04and Article 4, which is the consultation article,
00:16:08that is... what happens when you have drones
00:16:11intervening in your airspace or a hybrid attack,
00:16:15and then you're going to call your comrades around the table,
00:16:18you're going to say, what are we going to do?
00:16:22And in fact, we all ask ourselves the question,
00:16:25"Does it hold up?" We're not sure
00:16:29Article 4, Article 5, given the power dynamic with the United States of Trump,
00:16:33will hold up. Well, in fact, the real question
00:16:36is, could we, as Europeans, also wake up a bit?
00:16:40There is something in the European Constitutional Treaty called Article 42.7,
00:16:44which is actually a slightly boosted Article 5,
00:16:48but will the Europeans have the courage to use it? Because in the end,
00:16:52that's it, within NATO, Guillaume Lasconjarias,
00:16:56or within the European Union, but we can have a reply,
00:16:59that is, 23 of the 32 countries of the Atlantic Alliance
00:17:03are also members of the European Union, so we must also be able to say
00:17:06that the Europeans are not totally helpless.
00:17:10The second thing
00:17:13a question of will, of political will,
00:17:18The problem is that we are always caught
00:17:21between two tides, if we were to use nautical vocabulary,
00:17:25first a kind of eschatological anguish at the idea
00:17:28of not offending Russia, so in fact we are not able
00:17:32to tell them the full truth, and then on the other hand,
00:17:35the idea, always present among some,
00:17:38who say, but finally one day we will wake up,
00:17:41Putin will pass, Trump will pass,
00:17:45and things will return to how they were before.
00:17:49The problem is that this change of atmosphere...
00:17:54the strategic documents, let's go back to the text,
00:17:58it's for a long time, and in fact,
00:18:01yesterday's time will not come back, yesterday's time will not come back,
00:18:05you agree, Madam Ambassador, yesterday's time will not come back,
00:18:09so it's more unstable, it's more,
00:18:12there are more alliances, well, everything is more complex,
00:18:16it's a bit like the law of the strongest, that of empires,
00:18:20international law is completely weakened,
00:18:22if not non-existent, the Security Council
00:18:26which embodied the law, international,
00:18:29no longer works. Yes, so
00:18:32we may not yet be in the world of tomorrow, but we are in a transitional world,
00:18:36and yesterday's world will not return,
00:18:39and many countries don't want it to return either, if we think of the countries of the global south,
00:18:42because they think that yesterday's world was a world dominated
00:18:46by American and European Westerners, and this is what Peskov
00:18:50said, in response to Zelensky's comments
00:18:53on this truce. Let's listen to the Kremlin spokesman.
00:18:57The Europeans evidently do not belong
00:19:00to the camp of peace, that is to say,
00:19:04the one that seeks a path towards a peaceful resolution.
00:19:07On the contrary, they embody
00:19:09the camp of war,
00:19:13by continuing to do everything to prevent the conflict
00:19:16from ending. We consider the efforts
00:19:20of American negotiators much more convincing, and we welcome their sustained
00:19:24work in this regard. "It is not a question
00:19:28for us of digging a ditch, but of seeking truly effective
00:19:31measures and responsible decisions,
00:19:35capable of paving the way for a peaceful resolution."
00:19:39Virginie Pironon, he indeed accuses the Europeans
00:19:42of being in favor of war, it's propaganda,
00:19:46with Peskov, as usual, the discourse is completely inverted,
00:19:49they manage to put themselves in a position where they appear
00:19:52on the Russian side, Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin,
00:19:56as the peacemakers, those who wait,
00:19:59and we know very well that this has been Vladimir Putin's strategy
00:20:03from the start, that he is in a war of attrition,
00:20:06that he waited for the Ukrainians to weaken
00:20:10to be able to achieve what he wanted to do,
00:20:13which is to take Ukraine, and today perhaps he will limit
00:20:16himself to taking the Donbas and Crimea. This is the truly traditional
00:20:19rhetoric of the Russians who are waiting and then
00:20:23play the game of saying that they are for peace,
00:20:26unlike the Ukrainians. No truce in sight,
00:20:29Guillaume Gerias, we have a few minutes left, it's going to be very hard this winter
00:20:33for the Ukrainians, can the midterm elections
00:20:36change American policy? If the Democrats win,
00:20:40not really either, that is to say that we may be able
00:20:43to have a Congress that will be more
00:20:47inclined to enforce the measures that had been highlighted
00:20:51in a rather bipartisan way, notably Lindsey Graham
00:20:55who is before and that's it
00:20:58and fervent supporter of the Ukrainians and yes,
00:21:01a tweet from Mike Pence this morning saying that Trump's decision
00:21:05was even against insulting the memory of what Lindsey Graham did,
00:21:08that says a lot about the malaise of some Republicans.
00:21:12Madam Bermann, uh
00:21:16yes, I think, no, but what's interesting,
00:21:19first of all, it depends if the Senate also falls to the Democrats,
00:21:23or the House of Representatives, that's practically a given,
00:21:27and many decisions actually depend on the Senate,
00:21:30and I think that Donald Trump will tend to disregard
00:21:33the decisions made by Congress on laws, by adopting
00:21:37them already with a Republican majority. Here, what are called
00:21:40executive orders, and so I think he will continue
00:21:44more or less to do what he wants, it won't change anything,
00:21:48Virginie, do we talk about these midterm elections
00:21:52on the ground? Everyone talks about them,
00:21:56no? Well, listen,
00:21:59we talked a lot about the American presidential election 2 years ago,
00:22:03now it's the midterms in Ukraine, obviously we talk about it,
00:22:06but you know, when you get closer to the field,
00:22:10the Ukrainian soldiers always answer the same thing:
00:22:13we need weapons, we are in the middle of a war,
00:22:16in reality they don't have time to worry about that,
00:22:20and I think today they tell themselves that the midterms, very
00:22:24concretely, that's not going to change much for Ukraine right now, which is in an
00:22:28extremely difficult situation, especially for
00:22:31civilian populations, as we were saying, with winter
00:22:35regained some popularity, as
00:22:37you said, he is challenged internally, we
00:22:41saw the demonstrations this summer, especially with his Minister of Defense who was
00:22:45dismissed from his functions and called for new elections, as Trump is doing
00:22:48today, but then in... the Ukrainians are holding firm, that is to say they
00:22:52believe that it is not up to the Americans to decide the course of their democracy
00:22:55nor even Russia, and because he was elected in 2019
00:22:59according to a democratic process, he even accepts to organize elections if he has
00:23:02a truce, if he has a ceasefire, and if he manages to organize elections where everyone
00:23:06can participate, that raises other questions, notably with the possible
00:23:10participation of soldiers in an
00:30:14this Tuesday, act 5 of the high school student movement as the
00:30:18budget review begins in the assembly? They assure that they will not
00:30:21give up until the All Saints' Day holidays, you will hear them. Emmanuel Macron, for his part,
00:30:25called for calm. We will
00:30:28also talk about the incomprehension in Aubagne, how and why a 14-year-old
00:30:32student was able to shoot his principal and a teacher with a hunting rifle, the detention
00:30:36of the main suspect and his parents continues, and
00:30:40then we will also be interested in the
00:30:43vulnerability of Saudi Arabia, target of unprecedented attacks in
00:30:47recent days, the Houthi rebels of
00:30:51Yemen have struck again,
00:30:54strong explosions have again shaken.
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