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00:00:16of Hello, good evening, it's me, Jacob on
00:00:19in state
00:00:19of the nation. Tonight, Britain's national debt has reached
00:00:22a record 3 trillion pounds equating to nearly
00:00:25a 100%
00:00:26of the whole economy. How has the nation ended up in such dar economic straights?
00:00:30how do we get control
00:00:30of the national debt? all say tonight. the
00:00:34metropolitan police is accused of press censorship for
00:00:38of investigating a journalist who tried to expose a Cambridge professor who's alleged to
00:00:41committed plagiarism. inside we shouldn't have done that. so big organization will make
00:00:45the mistake. his
00:00:47of accountability racist. the Cambridge professor who has resigned after plagiarism
00:00:51in revelations of has said the backglash he is facing is motivated by his race.
00:00:55of with many claiming the same level of scrutiny would not have been impayed a white person. are
00:00:59there? questions about institutional racism to be
00:01:01of answered, or is it attempt to avoid
00:01:03of taking responsibility? plus, two men have been arrested
00:01:07after police officers were injured during second night of anti-immigration
00:01:10protests outside suspected migrant hotel in Thatford in
00:01:14Norfolk, while Thugger can
00:01:16of never of be justified, will this keep happening while the bats keep coming,
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00:01:23AI, do you use AI, absolutely, you
00:01:29in use Chechibt, I love in chechibt. Can artificial intelligence be trusted? Two
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00:01:33of AI of models have reportedly tried to hack users during a UK government
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00:01:42in we plow ahead regardless? State
00:01:47of of of the nation starts now.
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00:02:01I'll also be joined by my most
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00:02:03a prognosticating panel, the assistant editor and parliamentary sketchwriter, the spectator
00:02:07Madeline Grant and the former labour advisor Matthew Lazar. As always,
00:02:11a let me know what you think, mail at gnews.com, but now it's your favorite time
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00:02:26Jacob, thank you very much, I'll take that as a compliment though. I probably
00:02:30will
00:02:30need to borrow your dictionary after the bulletin. Andy Burnham has offered
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00:02:35in urgent review into whether grooming gang offenders could be freed early from prison under the
00:02:38government's release scheme. The prime minister has asked the ministry of justice to
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00:02:46warned that some child sex offenders could leave jail before the end
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00:02:55of be covered by the exclusion list, but number 10 says Andy Burnham's now
00:02:58personally intervened. to make sure what he described
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00:03:04deserve. the row comes
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00:03:08of petition urging the prime
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00:03:15of of Andrew Harper's killers has now passed half million signatures. Albert Bowers and Jessie Cole were jailed after the officer was killed in
00:03:192019 when he was dragged behind a car during a quadbike
00:03:22theft. Andrew Harper's family say their release would be utter
00:03:26betrayal.
00:03:33"Well, smoke has been
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00:03:42of airport. of Pictures you can see here
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00:04:00of "passengers are being warned to expect delays
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00:04:22in rescheduled. Reform UK says company bosses should face jail if they
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00:04:3010% of global revenues targeting delivery and gig economy companies
00:04:34that it claims are profiting from illegal workers, but the government
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00:04:39a record crackdown. two men have been
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00:04:44of were taken to hospital last night during another night of disorder in
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00:04:50a crowd gathered after an anti-immigration protest before officers were called to reports
00:04:54people were trying to get into a home. One officer was hit with rock,
00:04:58another seriously bitten. the third was spat
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00:05:06in a baller clava near his Sanderingham home. The former duke of York
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00:05:1539-year-old Alex Jenkinson denies using threatening, abusive or
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00:05:23former Prince Andrew is due to give evidence by video link at the trial in
00:05:26December. That is the news on
00:05:30GB News, Jacob. I'm not sure I quite lived up to Sacradotal, but I hope there
00:05:34was at least a modist amount of vo, what did I put down here?
00:05:37prognostication? I think that makes
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00:05:59Welcome back to State the Nation, three
00:06:02trillion pounds. Did you know that we're jointly and
00:06:06severally liable for it? It's the debt the nation.
00:06:10The government doesn't have any real existence beyond the people and the thing that
00:06:13guarantees the debt is what we pay taxes
00:06:17and the taxes have to go up to pay the debt in the
00:06:21end, so we all share in responsibility for this
00:06:24three trillion pounds, but unfortunately it's worse than
00:06:28that, because the government has deficit every year that
00:06:32is running at over 5% of GDP, when
00:06:35nominal growth is only about 4% of
00:06:39GDP, that is the...
00:06:43cycle, because it means that your debt every
00:06:46year is getting bigger. you've got the 100% level,
00:06:50every year, it's getting worse, because we're not just
00:06:54borrowing more than we're receiving in income through tax receipts
00:06:58and so on. we're borrowing more than the economy is growing by
00:07:02even including inflation, and historically that has been a
00:07:06very dangerous position for country to be in, and the
00:07:09deeps problem is that we are spending. too much, if you look
00:07:13at tax receipts in this country, look it in the post war
00:07:17period, they tend never to get higher than
00:07:2038% of GDP, when they do, we change our
00:07:24behavior and they fall back again, so when tax rates were at
00:07:2738 at 98%, tax receipts were
00:07:31actually lower than they were when they came down to
00:07:3440%, people change their behavior once tax gets too
00:07:38enerous, but we are spending 44 to 45
00:07:425% of GDP year and we have gone
00:07:46through two crises that we have funded, the global financial crisis
00:07:50in 2008, the COVID crisis, we spent money like
00:07:54drunken sailor, and then we haven't done
00:07:57enough to bring things back into order, and some
00:08:00expenditures that were covid emergency expenditures, particularly in
00:08:04welfare, are continuing willy nilly, and
00:08:08debt has reached three trillion pounds. now the
00:08:12main isn't actually the total sum,
00:08:15the main problem is the relationship to GDP, and if it
00:08:19is affordable. In our history, we do not
00:08:23go to 100% of GDP in peace time, yes we did it to defeat
00:08:27Napoleon, yes we did it defeat the Kaiser, yes we did it to defeat
00:08:30Hitler and more, but to do it in peace time is not
00:08:34a normal situation to be in, it is risk, and I would
00:08:38expect that we will see emergency cuts and expenditure within the
00:08:42next... few years if we continue on this route. We are
00:08:46teatering on the edge of bankruptcy and you and
00:08:49I are jointly and severally liable. As always, let
00:08:53me know what you think, mailmnews.com, but now I'm delighted to be joined by
00:08:57the economist and CEO the Great British Business Council and friend
00:09:01the program, Katherine McBride, and my panel, Madeline Grant and Matthew
00:09:05Lazar. Katherine, thank you for coming in. It's getting serious, isn't
00:09:08it? Well, it is. Um, unfortunately, uh, we've...
00:09:12got something like the interest payments on the debt are about 8%
00:09:16of all government spending at the moment, so one in every 12 pounds spent by
00:09:20the government is just going to pay the interest on the
00:09:23debt, and what's worse, not only has it
00:09:26hit 3 trillion pounds, but that's not including
00:09:30lot the new spending which Andy burnum our new prime minister has
00:09:34talked about, and which our new chancellor who did resign from
00:09:38the defense ministry because they weren't putting enough money into defense.
00:09:43assuming he's going to now find that money, it means that the 3
00:09:47trillion will soon be 3 trillion and 20
00:09:50billion, and and in terms of that extra expenditure, I
00:09:54think the conservatives calculated that if he did everything he's promised,
00:09:58it's nearly another 3% of GDP, so the
00:10:02debt gets even higher, and the interest payments you
00:10:05mention, with interest rates on tenia debt around
00:10:085%, as our debt expires and gets renewed,
00:10:12You're talking about getting to 150 billion pounds a
00:10:16year of interest payments? Yes, quite possibly. Um, the
00:10:20good news at the moment is that right now international investors are still
00:10:24interested in our. uh they take about a third of it, there was
00:10:27a a auction two days ago, it was three
00:10:31and a half times subscribed, so that that means three
00:10:35times more people wanted to buy it than um they had debt out
00:10:39there, and it was
00:10:40it was about four over four billion issuence, so but it
00:10:44was quite short,
00:10:45it was only about seven years, it's paying quite a good interest rate, so right
00:10:49now we're quite popular with debt investors, well we're
00:10:53popular because the interest rate has gone up. because we're paying a higher interest
00:10:57rate than pretty much any developed nation uh, including the US
00:11:01and um almost all the European nations,
00:11:04so uh,
00:11:05you know, what's not to like, we're we're going to, and but when you
00:11:09go back next year and ask for them to by the next
00:11:13tranch, there will be point when people will go, well we we're
00:11:17pretty exposed to the uh the pound, we might
00:11:20spread our our investments into other currencies,
00:11:23thanks, "the deeper economic problem
00:11:26becomes that one the ways of getting out
00:11:29of this debt is inflation, which international investors hate, demands an
00:11:33even higher interest rate, and then you get into this type of
00:11:37spiral that we got into in the 1970s, well that could easily
00:11:40happen, yeah uh, the other way to get out of this debt is to grow the
00:11:44economy, in fact it's the best way, you talked earlier about
00:11:48how the um borrowing is at
00:11:515% and the economy is growing at 4% or..." that the
00:11:55exact yeah, something like that, so you
00:11:59reverse those, you try and get the economy growing at
00:12:035% and the debt growing at 4%, and you know, like Mr.
00:12:06McCorber, um,
00:12:07you know, that's everything's fine, you, it is, but it's quite difficult to get from here to that,
00:12:11because you can't currently cut, cut
00:12:14cut taxes because we don't have enough income to meet our expenditure,
00:12:18yes, cutting expenditure is in the short term deflationary for the
00:12:22economy, said that's difficult, yeah, and this is... a deregulating
00:12:26government, it is ideologically regulating government as we've
00:12:30seen with the employment rights act, and therefore how do
00:12:34you get growth with those constraints? it's going to be very difficult, there
00:12:38are some things that I think are just waiting to happen, we
00:12:41could do lot of things to increase decrease the cost of our
00:12:45energy, the first thing I would have done, the moment Andy Burnam
00:12:48arrived was was liberate the the
00:12:52three wells in the... see that are waiting to happen, that's
00:12:56jackdoor, rosebank and um the cambo
00:13:00site, they could all be up and running, that would be
00:13:03great, bring more money into tax, but also lower the cost of
00:13:07gas in the country, you there's that would be my first
00:13:11thing to do to grow the economy, obviously the
00:13:14um the employment rights bill seems crazy and andy
00:13:18burnham seems to have taken um, he's enjoying that
00:13:22because he's only been there for two weeks, he's already taken
00:13:24two weeks.
00:13:31how worried are you as labor supporter that labor is repeating the
00:13:35mistakes the 1970s?
00:13:36i don't think labor is going to repeat the mistakes the 1970s because i agree with Katherine
00:13:40um that we we need to be conscious
00:13:42as a country of how much we're paying in debt interest, there is nothing progressive about
00:13:46paying debt interest, mean you ultimately it's money that you're that you could be
00:13:50spending if you'd balance the books uh on the services uh that we
00:13:55will enjoy or indeed on tax uh that might boost the economy, so I think the key thing is
00:13:59is that Andy Burnham uh has made clear that he's going to resist those
00:14:02siren calls from people perhaps on the left the party
00:14:06or to the left the party like the greens who just say borrow borrow borrow
00:14:10and who think that there is a uh an unending uh
00:14:13possibility to to borrow as as much as you just think of figure and you can
00:14:17borrow it yes our
00:14:18that at the moment we can sell it but that will become a point where it becomes with the interest rate we have to
00:14:22offer is so high that it becomes even sustainable, so I think if the
00:14:26government sticks to the fiscal rules um, which is to try and just to balance the
00:14:30budget on day-to-day uh spending uh, which is over
00:14:34over several years, then that's okay, but you can't borrow, borrow, borrow, but
00:14:38Madeline, they're already talking about tweaking the fiscal rules aren't there, and there's an extra 9 billion, they
00:14:42seem to have found behind the sofa, yes, actually the tendency is to
00:14:45spend more, they want to reclassify infrastructure
00:14:49spending, um, so that it doesn't become part the same calculation, and to me it's
00:14:53it is a little bit of fiddling the book.
00:14:55and the fact that that is their first instinct and not to grapple with the
00:14:59really unpleasant and alarming truth that Catherine outlined, you the
00:15:03fact that debt servicing is now such a big ticket item of
00:15:07government expenditure, when um collectively it adds up to more than
00:15:10the education and defense budgets combined, the misallocation of
00:15:14resources just spent doing that one thing is utterly ludicrous, but I
00:15:18don't see a great deal of recognition on the labor benches, in fact I think quite a few
00:15:22people voted out Kier Starmer and bought in Burnham. with the expectation that he would be
00:15:26willing to spend more on welfare and spend more on social
00:15:29services, and it's very hard to see rapid decrease in interest
00:15:33rates, particularly at the longer end because the weakness the economy. so it's
00:15:37a trap really isn't it
00:15:39that you can't grow the economy because um interest rates remain
00:15:43high but you can't get out of your debt and therefore gray the economy
00:15:46because you've got more freedom to cut tax and so on for exactly the same reason and there are things that you
00:15:50could do without having to really spend much money kathorin mentioned energy
00:15:54there was supply side reforms that you could do there's some liberalization of planning that could
00:15:58be done but this is actually doesn't appear to be the direction of travel either we've heard
00:16:02lot about house building but they've been at pains to say that it's going to be overwhelmingly council house
00:16:06building which... is something that costs the government lot of money
00:16:10and um you may not get the private sector involved in in precisely the same
00:16:13way, so it's not that kind of liberating energy that I would want to
00:16:17see if you were going for growth. Katherine, I want you to explain one thing for
00:16:21our viewers before we move on, which is you said that the price of gas
00:16:25would be lower. This is always denied by Edmillaban,
00:16:29I know you're right, tell my viewers why the price of gas would be lower.
00:16:33Gas doesn't travel well, gas basically uh needs.
00:16:37pipeline and all the gas in the north sea, the
00:16:41UK side of it any rate, comes in pipeline to the
00:16:45UK, even if Japan promised to pay
00:16:48us five times the international price of gas, we can't
00:16:52get it there, buse we don't have the liquid natural gas
00:16:56terminal to convert gas into a liquid and send it to
00:17:00Japan, so all of this idea that we have to fight with that, there is
00:17:04no international gas price, gas is so cheap a... america since they
00:17:08started fracking that they can actually frack it, which is
00:17:12expensive, pipe it down to the terminals
00:17:15in
00:17:16the the gulf of america, freeze it, put it a
00:17:20boat that specially designed, very expensive, they only made in South
00:17:24Korea, send it across the Atlantic and regasify it here, and it's
00:17:28still actually undercutting our own gas, there you go,
00:17:31thank you very much, I think it's very important to understand that, anyway, a spokesman
00:17:35from his majest. said fiscal discipline is the
00:17:39bedrock of economic stability and national security, the chancellor and prime
00:17:43minister are in lock step with the that the government will meet the fiscal rules
00:17:47and that that includes getting debt down. coming up in
00:17:51just moment, is accountability racist? the Cambridge professor, who was
00:17:54resigned after plagiarism revelations, has said the backlash he
00:17:58is facing is motivated by his race. are there questions about
00:18:02institutional racism to be answered or is it attempt to avoid
00:18:06taking responsibility?
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00:21:32As you know today is the feast of um saint Sixtus II,
00:21:35so all across the country, GB News is celebrating the United
00:21:39Kingdom and the deceased pope, so joining me live from Essex is the
00:21:43one named Patrick
00:21:44Christies,
00:21:49hello Jake. Yes, absolutely, so we are here, in
00:21:53case you didn't realize to celebrate Britain, and if you just
00:21:57pam around, people have been coming in in their droves, there's plenty of people still
00:22:01at the bar, we've even brought the famous red sofas with us
00:22:04from the studio, we've got a whole host of GB News fan favorites with us,
00:22:08Adam Brooks, Michelle Duby, Beb Turner, Andrew Pierce, Martin
00:22:12Dorbney, Miriam Kates, Nanraquer, you name it, they are all
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00:22:19had. over the last five years in Britain, we're also going to be talking about how far
00:22:23the country's come, you got to remember when we first launched we were in and out and in and
00:22:27out and in and out of all of those lockdowns weren't we, so the country itself has
00:22:31come heck of a long way, we'll be discussing that and the big issues
00:22:34the day, we're going to be looking at reforms, new illegal immigration
00:22:38crackdown, we're going to be having a look about the state the country's finances, about three
00:22:42trillion quids worth of debt, mean at what point does it get so big, you just have to stop caring,
00:22:46we're going to be talking about that, the old nutty Cambridge professor. you name
00:22:50it, we're going to be dealing with it here, we're going to have a couple of good trips to the bar, we've even got a
00:22:54couple of musical interludes, it's going to be absolutely fantastic here to
00:22:58celebrate Britain and celebrate five years of GB News, and it's a privilege
00:23:02to be able to do it with so many GB News viewers and listeners, should be a
00:23:06great night, Jacob. excellent,
00:23:10well start putting the Bollinger ice, you can celebrate Britain from 9
00:23:13o'clock, you can celebrate the whole the United Kingdom, but only on GB News, other
00:23:17channels don't celebrate our great country cuz the... sour faced
00:23:20anyway, is accountability racist? the
00:23:24Cambridge professor who resigned following plagerism allegations says the banklash
00:23:28against him has been driven by his race, with simily minded people
00:23:32arguing a white academic wouldn't have faced the same scrutiny. it's also been revealed
00:23:36that the journalist investigated Mr. Arday faced a Scotland Yard
00:23:39investigation being told to stop contacting him because his mental health had
00:23:43been affected by scrutiny. the Metropolitan police commissioner, the head
00:23:47Rozza, Mark Roley has apologized for investigation earlier
00:23:51today, police is accused of press censorship for investigating a
00:23:55journalist who tried to expose a Cambridge professor who's alleged to committed
00:23:58plagorism, Jack Grove, report the Times higher education,
00:24:02four-month investigation, why was that necessary, commissioner? um, we drop the ball on that
00:24:06one, it should have been screened out earlier on as not requiring investigation, screened out, it should have been
00:24:10one phone call, yeah, no further action, nothing, nothing requiring police
00:24:14action, it's sat on officers workload and he made a couple of phone calls, which in hindsight, we shouldn't have done
00:24:18that, so big organization
00:24:20make the old mistake, apology to the reporter involved, yeah, we should have made that call to him and
00:24:24said that, actually hats off to rary for
00:24:27that, I think that was a really proper way of doing
00:24:31it, it's so rare that you get sincere apologies from
00:24:35ground framges in bureaucracies, so I'm I'm very
00:24:39impressed, um, but moving on, there are serious questions about institutional
00:24:42racism to be asked, are there or is race yes again being used to
00:24:46deflect from legitimate questions, over to my panel, Madelin Grant. and
00:24:50Matthew Lazer um, Matthew, let me come to you,
00:24:53because it seems to me that there are real problems
00:24:57with this man's track record with the work that he's done,
00:25:01with the honor professorships that he claims, with some of his sporting
00:25:04achievements, and it's fair, isn't it, to hold him to account?
00:25:08Yeah, look, I think ultimately he has
00:25:10to take his responsibility for what seems to be um, having
00:25:14a odd relationship with the actualité
00:25:16to put it mildly, I'm being careful in what I in what I say, but clearly...
00:25:20already several things that he's claimed have been proven not to be the case, mean the most
00:25:24ridiculous one of which claim you've been in the seven-up tv series which started decades
00:25:27before he was born, so ultimately if you if you
00:25:31telefib and you get caught out you can only blame yourself, is there a question
00:25:35though, would has the spotlight gone to him because he
00:25:39was tall poppy and tall poppy of color as it were, as
00:25:43as a black academic, suspect that probably if he hadn't been atal
00:25:47poppy, if he hadn't been so outspoken uh that they probably wouldn't the focus wouldn't have
00:25:50gone on him, but whether or not that's because of his race directly, I think is more
00:25:54of a question, the two may be linked because he obviously been very outspoken issues
00:25:58around race, so that's why I think it is, and I think it's darf as Polansky people to say it's not.
00:26:02legitimate uh scrutiny, of course all scrutiny of public figures,
00:26:06and he made himself a public figure. remember he wasn't sitting in the ivory tower, he was appearing on question
00:26:10time, and is this more the fault of Cambridge or of him,
00:26:14because Cambridge seemed to be very pleased to have somebody who
00:26:18ticked number their boxes, the advertisement for the
00:26:22job that he filled, asked for people from minorities with
00:26:25disabilities and so on and so forth, he had disability, he came
00:26:29from a minority race, Cambridge was looking for that, made him,
00:26:33they built him up without doing the
00:26:36re reasonable checks, i think Cambridge is just as culpable,
00:26:40if not more so than he is. i think certainly had a duty of care
00:26:43um - over the person they're employing, and if basically uh,
00:26:47a, they didn't do the proper checks or be the way they recruited,
00:26:51encourage people to let a bit thick
00:26:55in terms of their qualifications to meet those
00:26:59special requirements, those minority requirements,
00:27:02then yes, i think came just certainly also, can i just say the way in
00:27:06contrast to mark roly, the way that it it defended him up to the
00:27:10hills until he could could no more, it's certainly made fool of itself over the
00:27:14last two weeks rather than saying we'll step back and we investigate this, but basically um
00:27:18assuming that everyb that everybody who was questioning him came from a bad
00:27:22place um uh was pretty outrageous, the police have apologized for that, i actually think
00:27:26Cambridge may have to apologize for that, shouldn't Cambridge apologize for its whole
00:27:29d DI scam because this
00:27:32has surely discredited DI, yeah, it's it's really, really
00:27:36embarrassing for it to be clear that there is, illustrious seat of
00:27:40learning where normal standards just not,
00:27:43well, on paper, illustrious seat of
00:27:46learning where you know they they were also going out their way to
00:27:50publicize him, and I think to Matthew's point about um, he was tall poppy,
00:27:54I mean, I think that doors clearly open for him a massive way because of
00:27:58who he claimed to be in his compelling life story, and I think some dei
00:28:01aspects. as well, the fact that he was given the opportunity to edit
00:28:05the today program and so forth, and you can see how Cambridge um,
00:28:09used him very publicly in the output that they were doing far more than they would,
00:28:13perhaps for regular professor, and I think that's absolutely right that it comes back to bite them,
00:28:17so when he's been exposed, the defense has been, it's because
00:28:21he's black, but is it fair also to say that
00:28:24actually he edited the today program, because he was black, and that this
00:28:28is the consequence of positive discrimination.
00:28:32"and that positive discrimination ends up harming the
00:28:36people it seeks to help because
00:28:38it devalues other people by association, it's thought they've only got
00:28:42somewhere because of positive discrimination. it's certainly very offensive and
00:28:46insulting to talented ethnic minority academics who deserve
00:28:50to be there, who will now be looked on with suspicion, and that's that's not okay,
00:28:54that's not good. it devalues everything as well, because now there's a whole
00:28:57discipline which I know very little about educational sociology, I
00:29:01can't say I had fantastic..." opinion of it before this scandal, but most people would take
00:29:05even dimmer view, it was possible there may be some worth in it, but that has been pretty
00:29:09thoroughly debunked. i also just find this relentless
00:29:12speak discussion even now after so much has been proved
00:29:16against this man, still playing the victimhood card when we know that he
00:29:20didn't just try to set the police on journalists who asked
00:29:23questions, but also fellow academics who had very
00:29:27reasonable and politely put queries about his academic record, and they
00:29:31were also met with of that's harassment, that's bullying, I mean you can't
00:29:35really be a massive bully in one second and then play
00:29:38the victim the next, there is lot of playing the victim, isn't
00:29:42that? yeah, absolutely, and that does nobody any
00:29:45favors, especially people who, because it's the boy you cried
00:29:49wolf, the professor who cried wolf, and that and ultimately as we
00:29:52know uh, that means that when you when it really is fire um and people have got
00:29:56legitimately to to raise concerns that may have been caused by racial issue, the fact that
00:30:00the the waters have been have been muddied. by uh completely outrageous cries
00:30:04that it's all about race as well, look, on
00:30:07his side, I'd say on terms of positive discrimination, you know,
00:30:11most people edit today program in its history, I think every one them has been
00:30:14white um terms
00:30:15in the program editor rather than the guest editor, so it's having guest
00:30:19editors and looking around for figures who are more who represent different parts of British
00:30:22society, yes, but on the other hand, you need to be, you can't be somebody who's puts
00:30:26yourself out there and doesn't tell the truth, exactly, their equalities effort, they had the duke of
00:30:30susics as guest editor once, I'm not. all they're doing
00:30:33necessarily part of british society
00:30:37and i want
00:30:37to ask you one final point and that is should we simply get
00:30:41to a world where everyone is equal under the law and all
00:30:45discrimination is illegal and that actually the laws we pass in the
00:30:481960s of undermined society and undermined integration and a thoroughly
00:30:52malig. i would i would like to see that world very much. i thought it was quite funny
00:30:56recently that Harriet Harman was calling for men from
00:31:00to to be banned from ever from running - believe the next time around
00:31:04when the equality act which she brought in
00:31:07explicitly for the great baroness harman at about the same time
00:31:11also said that the one politician she wouldn't like to meet on holiday is
00:31:15me, which I must confess I took a great bad, my dear old, if I
00:31:19ever do bump into you on holiday, most unlikely you have to be in Somerset, I
00:31:23promise I won't tell you about the Kangaroo court you had against Boris, I would drop the subject
00:31:26tagfully, so GB news has contacted professor Arday
00:31:30for comment, but he has previously denied allegations of platerism, a statement
00:31:34released by the good law project, Arde said the relentless
00:31:38accusation, speculation and public commentary have taken a profound toll
00:31:42on me and those I love, he had previously told the... times that he
00:31:45lacked adequate supervision during his PhD because of his autism and learning
00:31:49disabilities, he said he was accountable for mistakes, but that what I am
00:31:53not is liar. In just moment, what
00:31:56are we going to be talking about? well, two men have been arrested after police officers were
00:32:00injured during second night of anti-immigration protests outside
00:32:03suspected migrant hotel in Thatford in Norfolk, while
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00:36:14Two men have been. arrested after police officers were injured during second night of
00:36:17anti-immigration protest a town in Norfoak. Norfolk police said significant
00:36:21police resources were deployed to Thirdford on Wednesday night to maintain public
00:36:25safety after a large group of people gathered. outside house is rumor to be used
00:36:29by asylum seekers, one officer was reportedly hit with rock while female
00:36:33officer was bitten. i'm joined now by the local reform counselor scott
00:36:36hussey. um, counselor, thank you very much for joining me.
00:36:40this sounds very serious and disorder, which however much
00:36:44one doesn't want people coming over on boats shouldn't be
00:36:47happening. good evening Jacob, well of course no
00:36:51one is uh condoning any kind of violence. actually, i was
00:36:55there and i was from about 8 o'clock it started
00:36:59at the local police station and then people moved
00:37:02to the uh to the house
00:37:05itself and when I was there I have to say it was it was
00:37:09peaceful it was quite spirited but I didn't see any violence while I
00:37:13was there okay tell me about the
00:37:16house is the house a residential
00:37:20area is it um a large house or how many
00:37:23people are in there how many illegal migrants are in there - the
00:37:27house is on uh an estate in Thatford, which
00:37:31is a market town in Norfock, um, it's very popular
00:37:35with families, particularly families with young children, and it's right
00:37:39around the corner from a primary school, the
00:37:42neighbor the house in question is an
00:37:46elderly lady who I hear was totally fearful for her life and
00:37:50she was so scared that she's been scared to go out the house for many
00:37:52weeks, what was she scared
00:37:56by, was scared by the occupants the house or by the disorder
00:38:00outside it? um, she was scared because number of
00:38:04men had moved into the house, i understand six men had moved
00:38:08in and they were smoking outside in the porch
00:38:12outside and in the back garden and they were looking into her
00:38:15windows, so she was right, right? so she was
00:38:18understandably fearful, yes,
00:38:22and do we know where these six men were from?
00:38:26um, i have no information about... they were from,
00:38:29although i was a meeting with the home office yesterday,
00:38:33three home office officials in my role at north county council
00:38:37and they did reveal that the they're trying to
00:38:40expand these HMOs in Northford particularly in in
00:38:44Thepford, because there's also the possibility the
00:38:48nearby airbase, I think it is being converted for
00:38:511,200 um asylum seekers,
00:38:55this problem seems
00:38:56to be pretty widees. they're trying to find every type of accommodation that they
00:39:00can, well the reason, well tensions are
00:39:04running very high in thatford and
00:39:05the reason that they're running so high is that the home office is determined to
00:39:09make thatford a dumping ground for illegal immigrants and people
00:39:13are also very frustrated because the home office is just not
00:39:17listening and the local MP, local labor MP, Terry
00:39:21Germy is completely ineffectual, he's actually blaming the residents
00:39:25for protesting and he's he said 'he's scared to go on the streets
00:39:29because he fears for his life, which is just total nonsense uh, the base
00:39:32you're right uh, the base is just outside thetford,
00:39:36actually it's technically in in suff, it's a former REF
00:39:40base, and it's actually been used recently, and currently in
00:39:44fact by the police, ironically for riot police
00:39:47training, so they're going to be left out when immigrants moved
00:39:51in, this space also was pretty famous during the cold war, we
00:39:55had um, it was defending the nation, it had nuclear
00:39:58bombs on on the base, ironically now it's going to be site which
00:40:02is going to be likely to be housing more than
00:40:051,000 young men, and I say that the
00:40:09illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers, we know that the government loves to use the term
00:40:13asylum, yes, on the meeting I had with the home
00:40:16office, I specifically asked them how many them are going to
00:40:20be legal, and how many are going to be illegal, and to my
00:40:24surprise he actually revealed that most them, all them will
00:40:28becoming um had come into the
00:40:31country a small boat, he said
00:40:34that it will be young men, they will not be women, they will not be children.
00:40:38all right, i'd better go over to my panel, but thank you so much for
00:40:42joining me and explaining this very serious situation.
00:40:45um, just come to you, also the local MP would obviously
00:40:49say standing up for local people and all that sort of thing and isn't isn't
00:40:53here, they'd be welcome to come on, the home office is...
00:40:57this isn't it? well, this the problem is a bit like prisons actually,
00:41:01because we obviously we heard earlier in the week with the early release how can we
00:41:05all out to buy prisons? bizarrely i saw that
00:41:09leading the local news inlestershire on the very same day was the fact that
00:41:13nobody wants to prison in there about in the literal backyard and the problem is we want to
00:41:17close the hotels um obviously we all want overall to get the numbers down
00:41:21and thankfully although let's see if it carries on the number of people arriving on boats is
00:41:25falling fairly dramatically uh because 'I think of various factors like the
00:41:29EU, getting few people to
00:41:30come in, so hopefully the flow of people will will go down, we don't want hotels,
00:41:34we have to put people somewhere and ex-army bases are the better option, so therefore
00:41:38I can understand people don't want it.' in their backyard, but it's better than the
00:41:42hotel in the high street being used, and crucial and and
00:41:45crucially,
00:41:46I think people need to protest a way,
00:41:48that is peaceful um - and that doesn't make people feel uncomfortable on the streets, we
00:41:52agree with that, we don't want rights, but we've just get these people out the country, haven't we, they got to go to
00:41:55france, Rwanda, I don't know where they go, they've just el salvador, they've just got to be
00:41:59gone, oh yeah, I completely agree, I think it's really important to say that there is the
00:42:03Northfort constably reported that this was a largely peaceful protest,
00:42:07and then at the
00:42:08end there were these there were series of... and attacks on please, which is completely
00:42:11inexcusable. um, but i agree completely that the point
00:42:15is that yes,
00:42:16the numbers come down from a particularly high peak, but it's still extremely
00:42:20high, and also, what about those who are here already? i think there
00:42:24seems to be this idea that, we can simply filter them out into the
00:42:27community, put them in HMO, no one will notice. i think this shows very clearly that that strategy the
00:42:31governments is actually not going to work, people are not stupid, and they notice the changes in their
00:42:35communities, and people are angry about it, and the people aren't normally
00:42:39angry wherever. very placid, easy-going nation, people are
00:42:43very angry about this, well I think the problem here is that there's a real crisis
00:42:47of democratic accountability, at every opportunity the public has voted
00:42:50against these sorts of numbers and they have made it very clear as best they
00:42:54can, um, they have complain to their mps, they've done what you can
00:42:58to express their discontent at these venues opening up near them, but they
00:43:02haven't been listend to, and I'm often struck by when you when there is new
00:43:05asylum location that opens in a
00:43:09community. 'It is often not announced with any notice whatsoever,
00:43:13near my parents there was a hotel that opened and I think there would something like 24 hours notice
00:43:16given to the even to the local MP who had no idea what was happening and to the local
00:43:20community, I mean this is not party political buse time when we were in
00:43:24office but the home office is pretty deceatful about this sort of
00:43:28thing yeah I think there has been a track record as you say of of communities not being kept informed and if
00:43:32you
00:43:32can get communities informed they're going to a get angry and b uh
00:43:36the the sort of wilder fringes of conspiracy theories etc are going to spin around which is
00:43:40sometimes what just pushes peaceful protest over the edge, so
00:43:43um, sunlight is the best disinfect and in communication is the best
00:43:47way to if not bring communities along, at least keep communities aware of
00:43:51what's really going on and not what they suspect is going on, well thanks my panel, we don't have time to
00:43:55discuss leaving the European convention on human rights, but that's something we should consider. anyway,
00:43:59in regards to the hotels, a home office spokesman said this government
00:44:03is removing the incentives drawing illegal migrants to Britain and ramping up removals of
00:44:06those with their right to be here, that is why we're closing every asylum. hotel and moving
00:44:10asylum seekers into basic accommodation, including x military sites, they
00:44:14don't mention HMOs or private houses or any of that, they just gloss
00:44:18over the fact that they had six um illegal asylum
00:44:22seekers in a private residence, never mind, typical home office coming
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00:48:05should we trust artificial intelligence? two the world's top AI models have
00:48:09reportedly tried to hack users during a UK government safety test
00:48:12creating fake online identities and even sending malware emails and attempt to
00:48:16complete their task. the government says the tests were conducted under usual conditions,
00:48:20but is this a sign that we need to embrace? ai revolution and take the lead, or should
00:48:24we be approaching it with far more caution? well, my panel are here,
00:48:28the spectators Madeline Grant and Labor's Matthew Lazar. um,
00:48:32Madeline, let me come to you, AI is wonderful and exciting, isn't it, and we
00:48:36should make the most of it and try and be a world leader. It scares the
00:48:39hell out of me, but I also think that it's not something we can afford to
00:48:43ignore and hope that, the problems associated with it will just
00:48:47go away, if we're not getting involved in AI and using it to our advantage, you could be damn
00:48:51sure that... adversaries around the world will be absolutely looking for ways to
00:48:55use it as best they can, so I think it's because it i fear it, that's
00:48:59why I would like us to be a world leader in it, yeah, indeed, and we don't want the Chinese to
00:49:03be ahead of us and if it can do this clubber staff and can try and overtake
00:49:07other computers, we want to be patriotic and seeing rul Britannia when it
00:49:11does it, don't we, we do, but it does tell us an important lesson, which I think a lot of people assume that AI
00:49:15is simply there to help you, which it can be, it can be a great assistant in all sorts of
00:49:19areas, but because AI has you know this phenomenal
00:49:22ability that we can barely even fathem. if you ask it to complete task, it may
00:49:26try to complete the task a rather unorthodox way that involves perhaps
00:49:30unethical things that humans might not consider doing, and I think that's what the test has
00:49:33revealed. we that's where the pope was right in his encyclical, that AI needs
00:49:37to be maintained under human control, so that
00:49:40it is ethically proper, otherwise it could go off down all sorts of
00:49:44rabbit holes. yeah, absolutely. mean, risk the the
00:49:48reas mog effect having rubbed off and being the panelist from the 19th or indeed 18th
00:49:51century. 'I'm very you know anti-AI in the I mean the work that
00:49:55Mady and I do uh with words and indeed obviously you do Jacob
00:49:59um it's going to put it potentially put us out of business but also I think does quite a
00:50:03bad job and the AI slop I think is the curse of our times
00:50:07so it's certainly needs to be kept under human control
00:50:11the problem is is how do we do that because we saw actually with
00:50:15even more basic tech with social media we saw the social media band recently
00:50:19the the tech and the tech companies have run miles ahead'. of
00:50:22governments anywhere in the world of governments and civil society, so
00:50:26you know
00:50:26I don't how you do,
00:50:27I actually think that in Britain we seem to be doing okay with this AI institute which is
00:50:31being which is actually at least being clear uh uh
00:50:34in what should and shouldn't be happening, but
00:50:37the the question is is you know if it makes life easier for people will they care if it does it an
00:50:41unethical way as long as it writes that wedding speech or does your homework
00:50:45for you at the in the
00:50:46but it's hard to see how it could do that unethically maybe be able
00:50:50i suppose well first of all by plajurism, mean to take us back to - to our
00:50:54early discussion, you people are going to be handing things in thinking, oh
00:50:58you know did it on AI, the great thing i experience is when pe when people i work
00:51:01with present something and they sort of say
00:51:03oh but i changed the top and the bottom of it um uh
00:51:07you know and took out the dashes cuz AI gives lot of dashes so they take out the dashes so it
00:51:10appears not to
00:51:11what if it has been direct plajurism but they don't know about it so even a what may
00:51:15seem fairly benine circumstance it could be doing things that are actually wrong i
00:51:19like to think that i can still tell the difference we do sometimes submissions
00:51:23in journalism and I know it's happened to many
00:51:24of my colleagues in other publications as well where there's clearly been some AI involvement, there are
00:51:28these little flourishers and they have these, they're trained on the same models and they often
00:51:32have very repetitive linguistic patterns, and if you know what to look for, if you spend a bit of
00:51:36time talking to one, you know it when you see it, you could say this is AI slop, but I
00:51:40think the tragedy is that you know lot of um writing that people do
00:51:44day-to-day might actually be improved by a little bit of AI, and if it's
00:51:48admin stuff people might not consider it to be plagerism, so I think
00:51:52you have. to be very careful at the point of which it stops helping you
00:51:55and it you starts being a case of i've contracted out my brain and my that's
00:51:59why
00:52:00i won't use it so obviously search engines are now have this sort of AI enhanced
00:52:03thing so it summarizes. documents so you don't have to, that's fine, terms
00:52:07of like actual chat GBT or Claude or any of those, I have literally never
00:52:11used it, if that makes me love chat GPT, I'm with Boris as so often, you're not do the
00:52:15accent
00:52:16I hope, I'm not going to do the accent, but I I did a piece for substack on the pope's
00:52:20encyclical on AI, and then I asked Chat GBT to write a
00:52:23piece in the style of Jacob on the same subject as an
00:52:27expert, it was probably better than
00:52:31we are less modern uh than Jacob, I am the...
00:52:38anyway, some good news: scientists have created gene-edited beagles
00:52:42designed not to trigger dog allergies by switching off the main gene
00:52:46responsible for the protein that makes millions sneeze when
00:52:49around them, so these suff those suffering with the hardships of dog allergy
00:52:53can finally enjoy man's best friend, beguiling beagle.
00:52:57anyway, that's all from me, but now we're celebrating not only pope
00:53:00sixtus's feast day, but Great Britain
00:53:04day. GB News so over to Patrick Chris in
00:53:07S6. Yes,
00:53:10absolutely, thank you very much Jacob, well the stage is set everybody's here,
00:53:14you can hear they're
00:53:16being urged to take their seats, this is the big celebrate Britain event,
00:53:20but also of course five years of GB News, there's lots of
00:53:24very happy, very patriotic people here, we've got a star studied cast of GB
00:53:27News fans favorites, apart from you, Jacob, sadly of course you had to
00:53:31fulfill your duties uh back there in Westminster, it's going to be... absolutely
00:53:35brilliant n of all of your favorite GB News presenters, minus
00:53:39Jacob, of course, setting the world to rights on that stage there and
00:53:42celebrating this great country of
00:53:44ours.
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01:00:07Britain.
01:00:19It's 9 p.m. I'm Patrick Chris. Tonight we are
01:00:23celebrating Britain and five years the people's
01:00:26channel. What five years it's been. It's 9 p.m. I'm Patrick Chrisis
01:00:30and I am live from the epicenter the Calet migrant
01:00:33crisis. Tonight. Okay. It's incredible to think there's
01:00:37so many tents here. I mean I can't even begin to suggest how many there are. I'm at the
01:00:41Northshield's fishing key and it's a beautiful day.
01:00:45I was finding out whether it breaks it. been a plus or
01:00:49negative. This is GB News, Britain's Election Channel. Well, in just
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01:00:59I have spent the...