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00:00:00Story of
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00:00:23of Good evening, it's 6 o'clock,
00:00:27I'm Katie Bowen in the
00:00:28of GB News room. Donald Trump has announced an energy cease fire in
00:00:32the war between Ukraine and Russia, meaning both countries have agreed
00:00:36to hold strikes on
00:00:38a all energy infrastructure, including oil refineries. It's as
00:00:41defense secretary were streating said earlier that the UK stands with
00:00:45president Zelensky following Donald Trump's calls for him to go after
00:00:49he criticized the US diesel deal with Russia. The
00:00:53Ukrainian president warned that new deal to release millions of tons of
00:00:57Russian diesel into the US would provide more. go with money to
00:01:01continue its war on Ukraine. Defense Secretary Wieting told
00:01:04GB News that Britain
00:01:06of doesn't of agree with the deal. It's not the first time
00:01:10we've seen a disagreement between Washington and Keith, between President Trump and
00:01:13President
00:01:14of Zelenski, and in these situations, it's our responsibility to try and bring our
00:01:18friends back together.
00:01:20of Uh, we we do stand full square with
00:01:22of Ukraine. We don't support the US decision on on diesel. Uh,
00:01:26and as for President Zelensky, I just say two things, firstly,
00:01:30"It is for Ukraine to choose their leadership, not for anyone
00:01:33else. And secondly, I mean, I've had the the privilege of meeting President
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00:01:38of Zelenski. I think Ukraine is fortunate to have had someone of that
00:01:41courage. Elsewhere, Yemen's hooties have warned
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00:01:46of passengers against using Saudi airports and airspace
00:01:49of after of deadly attack on the international airport in Riyad. 12
00:01:53people were killed and
00:01:54of more than 300
00:01:55of injured, of including a US national, with Donald Trump now
00:01:59of considering..." Saudi strikes on the hooties. Mr. Trump
00:02:03spoke to reporters last night and gave his
00:02:06of reaction. I think it's
00:02:08terrible. Well, you're going
00:02:10of to find out, see, but I think
00:02:12of it's
00:02:15in terrible. Well, they're able to defend. Look, the saudis are good
00:02:19fighters, but I think the attack was terrible
00:02:23thing. Another news, the
00:02:25of pope will undergo surgery after doctors detected a small growth on his
00:02:29lung during. recent health check. 71-year-old pope Leo
00:02:32told pilgrims gathered in St. Peters Square for his weekly Sunday
00:02:36prayer that the growth
00:02:38of was well contained and caught at an early
00:02:41in stage. The Vatican press office said the pope's recovery from surgery is expected to
00:02:45take around a week. And Yorkshire Wildlife Park
00:02:49remained closed
00:02:50of today after man climbed into a
00:02:51in tiger enclosure and was fatally attacked by the animal. Emergency services
00:02:55were contacted after the man
00:02:57of entered the enclosure and was set upon by the Tiger. shortly after
00:03:001:30 yesterday afternoon. Despite the efforts of medical
00:03:04personnel, the man was pronounced dead at the scene and his family have since been
00:03:07informed. The park says the Tiger will not be euthanized following the
00:03:11incident and is safe and well.
00:03:15Those are your latest GB News headlines. Now it's time for the Camilla Tomon show recorded
00:03:19earlier today. Take the GB
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00:03:42of joining me now as the secretary of state for defense where
00:03:45streating, lovely to
00:03:47of see you this morning,
00:03:47a mr. streeting, on time bright as a button as ever,
00:03:51now
00:03:52of last time we spoke, you said this and hope you get to hear this
00:03:55clip, let's see if we can play it, so your predecessor
00:03:59John Healey res because the treasury didn't stump up enough defense spending, if John
00:04:03Healey
00:04:04of now as chancellor doesn't stump up enough defense spending, will you
00:04:08resign uh, absolutely, because I believe that we
00:04:12need to invest more in our defense, but I also know that the
00:04:15chancer and the
00:04:16of prime minister um share that commitment too, now I
00:04:20put you, I put this
00:04:21a to you, Mr. Streating, because you're not
00:04:23of going to get to 3% of
00:04:24of GDP, are you? In fact, the government's
00:04:26of own figures suggests you will only get to 2.7%.
00:04:30percent by the end of this parliament, so where's your
00:04:33P-45? well, last last
00:04:37time we had that exchange, we generated
00:04:40of between us a whole bunch of front
00:04:42of pagesuh threatening my resignation, which wasn't quite how I
00:04:46expected to get off to a great
00:04:48of start as defense secretary, but let me just reassure you and
00:04:52your viewers that this government is increasing
00:04:55defense spending, we've already seen it increasing at the highest sustainable.
00:05:00level since the end
00:05:00of the cold war, there will be more to do at the budget
00:05:04of and more to come at the spending review, so um, so
00:05:07hold off that
00:05:09of drafting that
00:05:10of p45 for me for now, camilla, will
00:05:14provide what we
00:05:15need to keep our country safe. well, hang a minute, two points on
00:05:18that. first of all, the prime minister himself said that you could now
00:05:22only get to 3% by 2035. he said that at
00:05:26PMQs and I was watching. so you've actually moved away
00:05:30from the 2030 target all together, which is why John Healey resigned, so
00:05:34on that basis you should probably also resign. second of all, we're now reading,
00:05:38according to the Times, that the defense spending review has been
00:05:41postponed. from next spring to next
00:05:44autumn, so I say two things on on each of those points, Camilla,
00:05:48firstly, the 3.5% of GDP
00:05:52commitment is a NATO commitment for 2035,
00:05:56what John Healey has committed to do is to set out the path to
00:06:003.5%, including when we will hit
00:06:033% in next year's spending review. Now, I saw the same
00:06:07reports that you did suggesting the spending review was delayed, I'm
00:06:11not sure how it can have been.
00:06:12or spring laid when the date has never been announced and won't be
00:06:15announced just yet, so I don't think
00:06:20characterized next John it going Healey's to choices be in that way, those and you're going to hear
00:06:24a lot from government ministers on this in the next few weeks head the
00:06:27budget, those are choices for the chancellor to make, and given
00:06:31I'm asking quite a lot the chancellor, I know where my bread's buttered and I'm not going to get
00:06:35ahead of him by suggesting when he should hold his spending review, can
00:06:39I just pick you up on something though, when uh Andy Burnham appeared? of his very
00:06:43early PMQs, he did say that the
00:06:463% commitment, not 3.5, 3% was
00:06:50only going to be met by 2035, not 2030, he
00:06:54said that himself, so you're not getting to 3.5% by
00:06:582035 if you're only getting to 3% by then,
00:07:02it's is 3.5% in 2035, that
00:07:06is the position the prime minister, it's not
00:07:09in terms of in terms of 20. the chancellor
00:07:13will set out the path to 3 and a half percent
00:07:17including the buse that's got to be a credible path so that
00:07:20include when we get to 3% at the spending review and just to be
00:07:24clear with your viewers as to why that is um that when the
00:07:28chancellor makes spending commitments he also needs to show where the money is coming from
00:07:32and if he makes a pledge a commitment on
00:07:353% without showing where the money comes
00:07:38from all that happens is the market pricing that
00:07:42risk, borrowing costs go up and the one in 10
00:07:46pounds that we are already spending of taxpayers money on just
00:07:50on servicing debt interest that becomes more expensive and makes the job
00:07:54on defense spending and everything else harder, so
00:07:56it is worth honestly is worth me taking a few a few difficult
00:08:00media rounds like this where you ask me to set
00:08:03out far rather
00:08:07do that than increase the cost of borrowing okay but
00:08:10listen at the moment the government's current published
00:08:14figures show that NATO defense spending of 2.6% of
00:08:18GDP will happen this year, rising to
00:08:202.7% over the next three years, so you're
00:08:24only getting to 2.7% by 2030 right now, that's
00:08:28the truth of this situation that you don't seem to want to accept, which then begs the
00:08:32question, why did John Healey resign? John Healey resigned because you wouldn't
00:08:36get to 3% by 2030, and now he's a chancellor
00:08:40presiding over 2.7%. well hang a second
00:08:43because we when we came in defense spending was at
00:08:462.3%, by next year as you said it will be
00:08:492.7%, so we're making quite a lot of progress
00:08:52quickly, and then beyond 2027, those are
00:08:56the choices that that those are absolutely it's got to go
00:09:00up higher, but the chancellor will set out increased
00:09:04defense spending at both the budget, but also next year's spending
00:09:08review, so we're not going to get to 2%, 2.7%.
00:09:12then stop the stop stop the defense spending increases, we're
00:09:16going to have sustained increase in defense spending, you can judge us now by our
00:09:20actions, not just by our words, there is obviously more to
00:09:24do, okay so thank you for admitting that John Healey resigned because the
00:09:27government wouldn't go to 3% by 2030, and you're saying that
00:09:31you probably won't get to 3% by 2030, now he's chancellor, because at the moment
00:09:35it's only 2.7, I did not, I did not sounds like that to
00:09:39me, let's move on,
00:09:41say that Camilla, let's move on. That's not what I said at all, there will there
00:09:45will be more to come at the budget and the spending review, all I'm
00:09:48saying is I'm not going to be able to set out this morning ahead the
00:09:52budget and ahead of next year's spending review uh the path
00:09:56to 3.5%, that is something John Heilias said he will set out on next
00:10:00year's spending review, so before you before you before you
00:10:04write off getting to 3% or
00:10:063.5% uh wait for the spending review
00:10:10and just bear in mind defense. has already gone from
00:10:142.3% when we came in to 2.7% next
00:10:17year, so we are well on our way to 3% and we have a credible
00:10:21path ahead of us to three
00:10:23and a half. the spending review, we've been waiting for it
00:10:27for quite some time and it looks like we're going to be waiting for
00:10:29it for even longer we're streating, but what we be waiting as long for early general
00:10:33election? lots of rumors doing the round, how would you feel if
00:10:37your voters in Illford north where you have majority of just
00:10:41528, we're able to turn up at polling booths without
00:10:45showing any photo ID. well, that was the
00:10:48longstanding uh practice in in elections and
00:10:52we're obviously um debating at the moment, got the... bill going through
00:10:56parliament, how we make our elections
00:10:59fairer uh, and that's about the cost of
00:11:02elections, donations and all of those sorts of issues, but
00:11:06also how we make sure that people can participate, and we've now
00:11:10had um photo ID introduced in UK
00:11:13elections for the first time, gives us a chance to see how it's
00:11:17gone, were there any unintended consequences of legitimate
00:11:21voters being disenfranchised, so that that's... debate
00:11:25that parliament will have ahead of it. um, let's talk about Trump on
00:11:29both Putin, diesel and Zelensky. how does the
00:11:33UK now handle the special relationship? well, look, it's not the
00:11:37first time we've seen a disagreement between Washington and Keep, between president Trump
00:11:41and President Zelensky, and in these situations, it's our
00:11:44responsibility to try and bring our friends back together. that's the leadership
00:11:48you can expect from Andy Burnham, from Ed Miller Band and I as we
00:11:52seek to do that. we we do stand for. where with Ukraine we
00:11:56have done since the outbreak of this war, in fact to Boris Johnson's
00:12:00credit, he was sending support for Ukraine ahead of war
00:12:03breaking out, because we could see uh where Russia was
00:12:07going, and that support has been rock solid across different
00:12:11conservative and labour prime ministers and that that will continue
00:12:15for as long as it takes until Ukraine secures their
00:12:18freedom, is Donald Trump wrong to do the deal on diesel and
00:12:22is he wrong to suggest that Zelensky needs to... and we're
00:12:25streating, well we we don't support the US decision on on
00:12:29diesel - and as for president Zelensky, I just say
00:12:33two things: firstly, it is for Ukraine to choose their leadership,
00:12:37not for anyone else, and secondly, I mean, I've had the the privilege
00:12:41of meeting President Zelensky, I think Ukraine is fortunate to have had
00:12:44someone of that courage and integrity and resolve
00:12:48leading Ukraine through what is an existential fight for their freedom,
00:12:52and having been to Keive and seen firsth the... that Russia is
00:12:56is taking on the Ukrainian people, I'm glad that we've got a
00:12:59strong leader in president Zelensky
00:13:01to to get behind and and last night our support for
00:13:05President Zelensky, is Donald Trump
00:13:09wrong, yes or no, yeah, I don't, I
00:13:13don't agree with President Trump and President, no, um, is the Cheegos
00:13:17deal dead, yes or no, uh, we're working with the US and the
00:13:21mauritians to find a way forward that everyone can live with.
00:13:25"it is important because the diego, well um, the
00:13:29deal, the deal as it stands can't go forward without US support, I've been
00:13:32clear about that previously, so we're working with the U.S. and
00:13:36Mauritian and Mauritius to see whether there are some changes we can make
00:13:40that everyone can live with, and the reason we're doing that is
00:13:43because at our base in Diego Garcia we have
00:13:47capability, which is absolutely vital to the
00:13:50UK's national security and is also highly..."
00:13:55valuable to the United States of America, so we work really closely with the US on
00:13:59this. It is not in anyone's interest to have level of
00:14:02risk and uncertainty hanging over that base and our ability to
00:14:06operate there. That is why conservative as well as labor
00:14:10governments have sort to negotiate a deal, that work is now
00:14:14ongoing. Okay, why is the prime minister seeking
00:14:18to rejoin the EU, when we've just heard from a senior MEP
00:14:21saying that would mean we'd have to ditch the pound? I'm not sure. "it passes the
00:14:25makerfield test, does it, west streating? well, it's also not quite what Andy
00:14:29Burnham has said, what he has said, and I think lots of people, including many
00:14:33people voted leave would agree with, is that Brexit has come a
00:14:37great cost, it's not been a great success, as
00:14:41as many the people who voted for it hoped it would be, and plenty of
00:14:45politicians promised it would be, but in terms the future
00:14:49relationship with the European Union, there are lots of different choices and tradeoffs,
00:14:52it's extremely nuance, so let me just tell you..." in
00:14:56favor of remaining in the European Union, it's not an on and off switch, so I don't think we
00:15:00can simply rejoin the European Union, there are lots of choices and
00:15:04tradeoffs that would come with closer relationships, and
00:15:07that's that's the discussion wants to have, not just with
00:15:11Brussels, but with the British people, hang on, there's
00:15:14a paradox here, isn't there in the minds of labor politicians, on one hand
00:15:18you're saying Brexit has irrevably harmed the British
00:15:21economy, and then in the same breath you're saying, we've got... the fastest
00:15:25growth in the euro zone, both can't be true, can they?
00:15:29well, I think they are, I think they are both true, and and let me just tell you
00:15:33that in terms the the cost of leaving the European
00:15:36Union.
00:15:37and the impact it's had on not just on economic cooperation, but
00:15:41also security cooperation, it has been significant,
00:15:45we are where we are, uh, the European Union and membership the
00:15:49EU is not an on and off switch, you can't just leave and then and then just
00:15:53rejoin, and there are lots of ways in which we could work more
00:15:57closely with the European Union without rejoining the European
00:16:00Union, but they would all have to be negotiated and
00:16:04all come with some choices and trade-offs and what the... wants
00:16:08to do is have a grown-up conversation with the country about that as
00:16:12well as negotiating withus to see what we could achieve for closer
00:16:16working relationship, but if it's not in our national interest we won't
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00:19:40"joining me now as the shadow chancellor the exteca, Andrew Griffith. You've
00:19:43applied five tests which you think must apply to John Healey's
00:19:47budget, but why didn't the conservatives ever apply them to their own
00:19:51budgets? Uh, well look, we're under new leadership, uh, I
00:19:55myself is
00:19:56a relatively new MP, um, and we've said very, very clearly,
00:20:00Camilla, last week at party conference, we did not get everything
00:20:04right in government, uh, we strayed away from our principle."
00:20:08that was a failure, we let people down, that's why we lost the last election,
00:20:11we're learning those lessons, we're a new united party, a
00:20:15conservative party uh, the new people standing for the election, for the
00:20:19conservatives the next election will be signed up to a good
00:20:23conservative manifesto, and that includes all the things that I've laid
00:20:27out in my tests for John Healey today, getting serious
00:20:30about funding defense, tackling the deficit, not putting up
00:20:34taxes, tackling the youth jobs emergency. and cutting
00:20:38welfare, well let's take them one by one, because this stop
00:20:42maxing out the nation's credit card, well public
00:20:45sector net debt was 65% in 2010.
00:20:50'it was 95% in 2024 and it's going up
00:20:54even more now
00:20:55and we're paying record amount of inter debt interest
00:20:59uh but the rate is the highest it's been for 30 years so
00:21:03look let's let's just get this off the table and then we can move on camiller um
00:21:07not everything happened under this labor government but they inherited a
00:21:10challenging fiscal situation and they have made it progressively worse
00:21:14they've adding quarter of a trillion pounds to public
00:21:18debt they've increasing tax burden and likely to
00:21:21increase again following the budget, I've said in the past the conservatives
00:21:25didn't get everything right, we are under fresh leadership, and we are
00:21:29setting out a plan, and you you saw it last week in conference that is
00:21:33very different, it's a discontinuity with the past, but these five tests you
00:21:37failed yourself, stop maxing out the nation's credit card, the
00:21:41tories max out the nation's credit card, properly fund defense,
00:21:44the tories didn't properly fund defense, act on the youth jobs
00:21:48emergency, well we had had a quarter of million more
00:21:52needs between 2021 and 2024, introduce no
00:21:56new taxes. last time i checked you guys put up
00:21:59corporation tax, cut the welfare bill, again that's ballooned
00:22:03on your watch, so you might turn around and say tories have got a bit of
00:22:07a cheek with these five tests. you see my point, mr. griffith,
00:22:11don't you? well, i see your point, and what's more, camilla, i've conceeded your point a
00:22:15number of times now, um, mean i don't think you would have in 19, i don't think
00:22:19in 1970. you would have been sitting here accusing Mrs.
00:22:22Thatcher of being continuity Edward Heath, parties do change,
00:22:26they respond to the challenge the time. People within those
00:22:30parties change, and what I'm doing is setting out the policies, as you
00:22:34saw last week in the conservative party conference, setting out
00:22:37serious plans to tackle the deficit, savings in the public
00:22:41finances, reducing the burden of welfare, properly funding
00:22:45defense and laying out a plan to get our young people into work,
00:22:48tackling the youth jobs. making it cheaper for them to buy a house, get them
00:22:52on the housing letter, reduce stamp duty and reduce inheritance
00:22:56tax so that people can pass on their family home tax- free to the
00:23:00next generation. these are conservative policies, that's what we stand for right
00:23:04now. okay, i appreciate after a conservative party conference in
00:23:08Birmingham, i probably look older than my 48 years. i'll just point out that was only one year
00:23:12old in 1979, but no matter.
00:23:15um, now if the conservatives want
00:23:19to reverse the... the past and actually take back
00:23:22control for want of better expression of both the blob and the bank
00:23:26of England, you're going to have to do something radical, but the
00:23:30trouble is the last tory prime minister that tried that, Liz Truss, got
00:23:34gobbled up and spat out in 49 days. Well, look,
00:23:37let's uh, I think Kemy and I are equal to the task, I spent 25 years in
00:23:41business as finance director balancing the books, the key difference is
00:23:45we are setting out, and I did it last week, every single
00:23:49pound the... "we are going to save and and we're not just recycling that straight
00:23:53into tax cuts, half of that will go directly to
00:23:56tackling the deficit. um, so it's about being transparent,
00:24:00where you're getting the money from, what are the choices? not everyone will agree with those choices,
00:24:04we will have very different approach to welfare from a prime minister that says he's putting
00:24:08social security before national security, so not everyone will agree with
00:24:12those, but but you will have seen, you will have seen the spreadsheet that I
00:24:16laid out, talk journalists through, where the money is coming from, the choices we're making."
00:24:20and yes, some of that quite rightly, because we believe in people keeping more of what they
00:24:24earn, will go back to people in cuts, but others will
00:24:27properly fund our defense and put public finances a
00:24:31better footing. just on welfare, i think the figure that you now want to
00:24:35scrap from the welfare bill is 36 billion, including to your
00:24:39latest spreadsheets that yes i have had look at. having said all that,
00:24:43the welfare bill is set to rise by 30 billion over the next parliament
00:24:46anyway, so you're only cutting a rise, you're only really cut.
00:24:506 billion because it's going up by 30 uh, well that's
00:24:54absolutely right, we are cutting welfare by very significant amount, i think it's
00:24:58not ever reduction in the welfare budget because because
00:25:02it's out of control. now i will continue to do the work camilla
00:25:05to look at where the public finance is where we can make more choices, where
00:25:09we can save more money for taxpayers, but it'll be the most
00:25:13significant reduction in welfare, and unlike other
00:25:16parties, we are being responsible with the public finances. that will go
00:25:20to paying down the debt, reducing the deficit, that will lower the interest
00:25:24bill that's currently running at twice the defense budget, we are
00:25:28borrowing money as a country at the highest rates for 30 years
00:25:31simply to pay the interest on our debt, that's got a change and i would
00:25:35be a chancelor that tackles all of those things, but what what's
00:25:39the top line figure then from Andrew griffitz's
00:25:43spreadsheet on how many in billions of government
00:25:46savings the tories are actually pledging? What's the
00:25:50figure? 71 billion, top of that there's some other areas where we will
00:25:54repure repurpose money, we'll take money away from net zero budgets
00:25:58and put it in defense for example, but 71 billion, which is about four and...
00:26:02half percent the total government spending, now I think we should be
00:26:06more than equal to that task, Camilla, I think any enterprise, any
00:26:09organization, any business has to have the ability at all times to
00:26:13be able to make choices in that or
00:26:16magnitude over the remainder of this
00:26:19parliament, you're already unh, you're already unpopular with the country aren't
00:26:23you, because you're polling behind labor and reform, you're quite
00:26:27happy then to be rebranded the austerity
00:26:30party buse that's what will happen, i
00:26:33appreciate one man's austerity is someone else's efficiency correct,
00:26:37i'm not happy to be branded anything, i'll use my own words, but i am happy that we
00:26:41conservative party are once again a party of low taxes, of fiscal
00:26:45responsibility, of deregulation that's going to get our economy growing
00:26:48again and give a brighter future to our young people, we're also a party
00:26:52that believes in a strong defense, that you get you get peace through
00:26:56strength, also that we're proud proud of our
00:26:59history, but it's an unashamedly blue. offer this,
00:27:03isn't it? you know, scrap iht, scrap stamp
00:27:06duty, oppose the mansion tax, take away that are 100
00:27:10grand cliff edge for child cl claiming of 30 hours a
00:27:14week, you're basically put pitching yourself directly at the middle
00:27:17classes, because presumably you accept that you've lost the red wall and you're
00:27:21never going to win it back. uh, no, I don't think that's right, this is a the
00:27:25proposals that we are making our proposals for the whole country, we want to
00:27:29get the whole country uh growing again if you look at cheaper energy that
00:27:33benefits those industrial businesses in the midlands with our cheap
00:27:37energy plan uh reducing taxes and leaving more money into people's
00:27:41pockets helps everybody, it helps doctors, nurses,
00:27:44policemen um so it's not a country, it's not a strategy for any particular part
00:27:48the country, it's a strategy for the whole country, everybody
00:27:52benefits, if we get our economy growing, everybody
00:27:55benefit
00:27:56lower taxes, it's a strategy for people who own property isn't it, mean you
00:28:00say about helping the young if they're not even on the... why would they vote for the
00:28:04conservatives? uh, well we're going to get them
00:28:05on the ladder, camilla. i talked about how we're going to reduce by cutting all some the red tape, the gold
00:28:09plating, we can reduce the price of new bill properties by
00:28:1350,000 pounds, that will help young people get onto the housing ladder
00:28:17earlier, we're going to speed up the process of houses in this country being
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00:28:24given, um, and look, you know, you're living in the past to be honest, mean this
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00:28:32one in six families because of labor's expansion to
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00:32:06Welcome back to the Camilla Tommy Show on GB News. Reform UKMP for Romford. Andrew
00:32:10Rossendale joins me now. Now let me just take up something that Robert
00:32:14Gen told a press conference on Friday because I just want your perspective on
00:32:18this, so he's accused Keny Beadenock of being a
00:32:21Kensington Kemy, saying that the tories are now for
00:32:24millionaires, not man's field, he says that they are
00:32:28people who are nostalgic for Mayfair clubs that they're
00:32:32responsible for giving bong bungs to Belgravia and
00:32:36so on and so forth, now correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't
00:32:39Nigel Farage belong to quite a nice mafia club, I
00:32:43have seen him, I think at five Hartford Street and Oswald's several
00:32:47times. I do believe that he's got a mate called Posch George, who owns a
00:32:51Balgravia property that he once stayed in, and uh, he
00:32:54also once lived in Kensington himself, didn't he? Well,
00:32:58Camilla, I'm
00:32:59not a member of any these clubs. Well, that's lovely. But, and I represent a
00:33:03constituency called Romford, and it's a seat where you have
00:33:06people that are hard-working entrepreneurs, uh, law
00:33:10abiding, tax-paying people, and they are being taxed to the hilt by the labour
00:33:14government. right and they didn't do terribly well under the conservatives either, so
00:33:18unfortunately what the conservatives, my former party now seem to be
00:33:21doing is looking to places like Kensington instead of
00:33:25looking after places like Rompford and provincial towns
00:33:29across the country, which actually is the bedrock of our
00:33:33nation. We need to look after the working class people of this
00:33:36country who get up early, who who earn an honest living
00:33:40and labor's not doing that and the conservatives aren't you defining working class,
00:33:44because if you're... millionaire and you're working, then you're a worker, right?
00:33:48you're part of alarm clock Britain as Nigel Farage likes to say? anyone that
00:33:52works is part the working class? but this is Jenrik's rhetoric
00:33:56is rather anti thatcheright and I thought you might object to that because I know you're a
00:34:00massive Maggie fan. No, I don't, I don't think Robert is anti
00:34:04Thatrite. I think what he's doing is putting it a modern context.
00:34:08Robert's policy of increasing the tax threshhold to
00:34:1115,000 will benefit 40,000 people across the country.
00:34:15so all working people benefit from what Robert is suggesting, so
00:34:19he's thinking about the whole country, not pockets of Britain at the conservages need
00:34:23to win, okay, but say for instance if you were going to scrap inheritance tax on
00:34:27people's main property, then that obviously benefits those further down the
00:34:31inheritance chain, doesn't it, it helps people's children and grandchildren, we
00:34:35are a crisis now with younger people not able to afford their own homes, I
00:34:39think the average age of home ownership is now towards 30 when it
00:34:43used to be around 23. so that's problematic, I'm just intrigued
00:34:47because in your former conservative guise you would have loved policies
00:34:51like scrap iht, scrap stamp duty, avoid
00:34:54mansion taxes, make sure that working parents can have access to
00:34:58childcare, what's happened? what makes you think I still don't? I want to reduce the size the
00:35:02state, I want to reduce taxes at every level, but the country is
00:35:06bankrupt, and one the reasons we're bankrupt is the conservatives
00:35:10went for these crazy lockdowns which destroyed our economy for two years,
00:35:14that's the real reason. that we're in such debt, so we've got to
00:35:17get to back to living within our means, and Robert setting out very clear
00:35:21agenda, how we get people back to work, how we get rid of labor's
00:35:25jobs tax, how we incentivize people back into work
00:35:28again, and how we reduce public expenditure on things
00:35:32like welfare, which is so out of control, so we have
00:35:36clear plan to put Britain back on the right track, the conservatives,
00:35:40unfortunately, it's all about survival for them, so they're looking at
00:35:44seats like, like Kensington where these sort of
00:35:47policies will potentially mean that they can win those seats on labor
00:35:51Kensington and Chelsea has been previously labor leaning, I mean the former
00:35:54MP there, the suspended labor MP Emma Dent code
00:35:58weirdly is now supporting the greens, but no matter that has switched, I'm
00:36:02just intrigued by this and I think the audience will be intrigued, do you think that reform now is
00:36:06pivoting to become a kind of red wall focus
00:36:10party because you don't think
00:36:12you can win the blue wall and then what does that say about
00:36:16right-wing politics in the UK today? because as you all know from the Boris
00:36:19Johnson election of 2019, you've got to unite those two
00:36:23caucuses, if you look at essecs, we have united both,
00:36:27so the... plenty of blue wall seats, what you would consider blue
00:36:30wall that actually went massively reforming the local
00:36:33elections, there are other seats at more red wall that are also
00:36:37coming reform, so I think that Nigel is appealing to
00:36:41people from both ends and we seeing
00:36:44uh UK reform UK support very strong in all
00:36:48parts the country, okay admittedly you know in some the leafy
00:36:52wealthy suburbs of London and bits of Surry and Hampshire and places like that, it's
00:36:55going to be tougher for reform. I mean home counties, Tory
00:36:59Shires, Essex is a home county, we're doing rather well in Essex, okay,
00:37:03but Essex is kind of kind of unique case, isn't it? Look, it's patchy
00:37:06across the country, there's no doubt about that, but reform is appealing to people
00:37:10the conservatives cannot cannot appeal to, but wouldn't it be better if you wanted to
00:37:14repeat uh the sort of uh magic if you
00:37:18like of 2019 as far as anybody remotely that way
00:37:22at leaning might consider it, doesn't it really lend
00:37:25itself to a conversation properly? about trying to unite the
00:37:29right, because if the tories do manage to soak up more the blue
00:37:33wall and do a bit better, and we see that the liberal democrats are now at each other's
00:37:36throats, is there davy going to survive as leader?
00:37:40you'd want to team up with them because they can reach the parts that faraj can,
00:37:44and faraj can re the part, reach the parts that badenock can't. i
00:37:48went personally to visit chemy while was a conservative mp after the
00:37:52party conference, and i appealed to her,
00:37:54i said, look, our country is more important than any political... party,
00:37:58we need to try to bring all these sides together to get rid of
00:38:02this dreadful labor government, and we need to put country
00:38:06first, and that means you need to talk to Nigel, you need to try and align on
00:38:10policy, treat them as potential allies, not enemies and
00:38:14she said to me, I've never spoken to that man and I will not speak to him, well he
00:38:18has said he wants the end the conservative party, you've Zayup doesn't
00:38:22seem the got who even to like some conservatives now in his own party, the conservative party let us down so
00:38:26badly, don't forget.
00:38:27moderate,
00:38:31you
00:38:34much you did more stood down left-wing, serve all under of his candidates in however
00:38:36did, you 2019, want to describe it, liberal democrat leaning uh leaders the
00:38:40touri party than kemmynock, didn't you? you were happy to serve under David Cameron, you're
00:38:44happy to serve under Theresa May, you're happy to serve under Rishi Sunat, you're happy to serve under
00:38:47Boris Johnson, but not Badenock, even you must view her as being more
00:38:51right-wing and than any the F4 mentioned leaders, you said I was happy to serve under
00:38:55them, well you did for 25 years. assumption there, you
00:38:59conservative party for a long time, conservative party was the only credible
00:39:03right of center party to govern the country at the time, yes, I'm a Margaret thatcher
00:39:07person, ever since Margaret thatcher was pushed out by
00:39:11the party establishment all those years ago, the party never really recovered,
00:39:14and we we went a downward spiral gradually becoming more of a
00:39:18technocratic party, more liberal uh, allowing
00:39:22the Blaire it agenda to take hold, and we didn't reverse any of it, David
00:39:26Cameron, air to Blair, that stuff, I sat there with gritted
00:39:29teeth, but I was a rebellious backbencher and I always made my
00:39:33case very clear, and I voted and rebelled when I felt it was necessary, are
00:39:37you going to mount a rebellion about your esteemed leader's
00:39:41relationship with Donald Trump now that the US president has done
00:39:45a diesel deal with Putin and is suggesting that Zelensky
00:39:49should stand down, and I ask you this because I know you've done a lot of work behind the scenes on
00:39:52Ukraine, Andrew Rossandell, this is awkward isn't it, so it's
00:39:56up to Ukraine who... have as their president, it's up to them to have an election at some
00:40:00point, I think they do need an election, it's difficult during wartime,
00:40:04but there needs to be some democratic mandate if Zelenski is going to
00:40:08stay in power, as for Nigel, he's good friends of Donald Trump, but he doesn't
00:40:12agree with Donald Trump on everything, at all uh, Donald Trump is
00:40:15doing lot of things over the years which we have sympathy with, on other things we
00:40:19don't, doesn't mean we have to agree on everything, but what do you think of this diesel deal with
00:40:23Putin, I mean most people who are supportive of Ukraine would think it's
00:40:26despicable? 'I have no time for Putin at all,
00:40:30however it's up to the United States to do what what the United
00:40:33States wants to do in its own interests and whether whatever we think of Donald
00:40:37Trump, he will always do what he thinks is best for America and that's up to him. I know, but
00:40:41it's not good for the world is it to have the US president cosing up to a Russian
00:40:44dictator. I don't think anyone by this if you're a
00:40:48fight, you must be absolut, I have no time for Vladimir
00:40:52Putin, I think what's happened in Ukraine is despicable, I
00:40:56think the harm it's done to the people'. of Ukraine and of course the Russian people to have
00:40:59suffered, I think the whole thing is appalling and it needs to end, but
00:41:03ultimately
00:41:04it is up to America decide its own policies, not up to me to tell
00:41:08Donald Trump what to do, would even try, what he should
00:41:11probably give him a ring and say is this the right
00:41:13idea, wouldn't reform voters look
00:41:17at this and think it there's something a bit rum about I actually think reform voters are more concerned about what's
00:41:21going on in this country, we've got many challenges here and that's what our focus has
00:41:25to be, very quickly on that, do you think there is going to be early general election as
00:41:29is being reported widely across all the newspapers today. i
00:41:32think that Burnham is capable of doing anything, he is
00:41:36desperate for labor to stay in power, even if it means...
00:41:40guarding a big chunk of his labour MPs and doing some sort of
00:41:43far left deal with the liberals and the greens and the you think he doesn't mind a
00:41:47progressive alliance provided he remains prime minister he's he's a bit of a
00:41:51corbin really isn't he burnham he's adopting the type of
00:41:55policies that Corbin would have been happy with look at his policies on
00:41:59Israel or nationalization raising taxes I
00:42:03think that he would uh be prepared to go into a left-wing progressive
00:42:06alliance and that's what Reform UK have to stop and we will.
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00:46:20Welcome back! Green party activist Michael Wakelin Green joins me now.
00:46:24Can I ask you first of all, did you support this Zionism is racism
00:46:28motion? I supported it in its broader context, but I did also vote for the
00:46:31amendments to go to it. In the green party we champion Democracy, which of
00:46:35course is fantastic British value that we should all be championing
00:46:38and um... Yes, so I did support the motion, because I do
00:46:42think the underlying ideology behind
00:46:46what we are seeing in Israel, Gaza, the west bank and the wider expansion
00:46:50the Israeli state into places like Syria.
00:46:56It's about colonialization, it's about displacing people and
00:46:59disenfranchising people. What is your understanding, what
00:47:03is your understanding the word zionism? We're now kind of going into
00:47:06semantics here, and I do kind of agree, it's a complex issue as a lot of
00:47:10RMPs have quite rightly said, what we have though is
00:47:14the reality of Zionism in 2026 with those were
00:47:18leading Israel, also the opposition parties in Israel are saying lot the very similar things
00:47:22that... just define it for me, just define
00:47:25zionism for me, well in my view it's Israel trying to
00:47:29create a greater Israel project and expanding the territory of
00:47:33Israel into currently settle places like Palestine in South
00:47:37Lebanon, again a homeland for Jewish people, but at
00:47:41what expense, who is getting displaced, who is getting killed
00:47:44in this motion,
00:47:48this motion calls for a single democratic state
00:47:52in all of historic Palestine, all of historic
00:47:55Palestine includes Israel, so this motion supports a
00:47:59one state solution for the Middle East, doesn't it, with equal rights and
00:48:03dignity for all who are there, that includes the current Israelis, but it also includes
00:48:07the garzans and people in the west bank, so motion that
00:48:10proposes a one-state solution wants Israel to be wiped
00:48:14from the map, doesn't it? Israel doesn't have a right to exist, the people of
00:48:18Israel do have a right to exist, and those people, those israel
00:48:22"Israelis will live with dignity and respect, right? so historic
00:48:26Palestine, historic Palestine includes a part
00:48:30the Middle East that was once known as Judea. do you
00:48:34understand what the word judea means, Mr. Waklin Greek? I
00:48:37i do indeed, but it's the linguistic root
00:48:41the word Jew, isn't it? it means the Jewish homeland, so when you
00:48:45say that historic Palestine should be the only place that exists and that
00:48:49includes Juda and other areas, 'you effectively
00:48:53calling for Israel to be wiped off the map. what therefore
00:48:57happens to the 10 million Jews that live there? they still live
00:49:01there with dignity and respect as part the society is
00:49:04not. no,
00:49:06no, no, they would have democratic representation, more than the Arab population
00:49:10is having at the moment in Israel, which is uh, as UN is identified as
00:49:14a partide state. right, so you're no, no, no, hang a
00:49:17minute, hang a minute, let's get this very, very clear.
00:49:21somebody in the UN has' suggested that it's an apartite state and we've got question
00:49:25marks over that particular ruling because of some of people on the
00:49:28panel. Israel per say has not been found
00:49:31guilty of genocide any international court has it,
00:49:35mr. wakelin green, so I'm not sure why you think you know better than any
00:49:38international court is under investigation at the moment
00:49:42because not been found guilty of it so why are you going around saying genocide
00:49:46genocide? you can't call somebody
00:49:47a murder unless they've actually been found
00:49:49guilty. international
00:49:53society of genocide scholars is in human rights
00:49:57organization betsalen which is an Israeli human rights organization it's
00:50:00a british red cross or saying it this basically if you
00:50:04look at it 95% of organizations are involved in the area
00:50:08are calling it what it is it's a genocide and you got the Israeli government and basically the
00:50:12us government and our government who are saying it's
00:50:14not the right to exist as a
00:50:18state uh no right no
00:50:21country and "international law has a right to exist as a state, it's
00:50:25people who have a right to exist with dignity and
00:50:28respect, and human rights and that is what we are advocating
00:50:31for. well, you're advocating, you're advocating a one-state
00:50:35solution, which is quite the departure, isn't it? you're now being
00:50:39investigated thanks to referral by the campaign against
00:50:42anti-semitism to the quality and
00:50:46human rights commission, and that's because quite rightly, and your own Jewish leader
00:50:50has said this, that the party now may be..." actively discriminating
00:50:53against Jews, so you have to therefore accept that if the
00:50:57campaign against anti-semitism considered this to be anti-semitic, if it
00:51:01walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,
00:51:03it is a duck, isn't it, Mr. Waklin Greene? uh,
00:51:06no,
00:51:07I don't, I don't agree with that, we have the only Jewish party leader
00:51:11that in this country at this moment in time, and I abhor
00:51:15antisemitism very much, head
00:51:16the the Jewish greens, the head the Jewish Greens thinks it's
00:51:20anti-semitic.
00:51:22like
00:51:28one person it
00:51:29didn't doesn't mean that other jews this
00:51:33problem perhaps this is the problem the briefing paper
00:51:37that accompanied the motion suggested that the word antisemitism
00:51:41is a quotes miss nomer. do you agree
00:51:45with that? no, i think anti-semitism is
00:51:48incredibly serious, i also supported
00:51:52the... to the motion as weren't well,
00:51:55passed,
00:51:56which so
00:51:57so so thanks to less than one% of green members, we now
00:52:01have a situation where because this amendment wasn't passed, the amendment was meant to
00:52:05protect Jews going to their place of worship, we now have
00:52:08Jews unprotected going to their place of worship, even in the
00:52:12aftermath the killings at Heaton Park, so the greens
00:52:16in all their infinite wisdom have now left Jews
00:52:19unprotected going to synagogues, and you're
00:52:23happy with this, are you, Mr. Wakling Greene? I do
00:52:27want, I did want amendments to the motion, and I think when it comes back into
00:52:31conference, I said we're a very democratic party, I'm sure there will be some amendments that will be put.
00:52:35forward to this motion, there was nothing in the motion that explicitly
00:52:38targeted Jewish people to begin with, it made very clear that anti-semitism and
00:52:42antizion
00:52:45again ideology, there isn't anything in the
00:52:46motion that jews
00:52:50themselves will find the motion racist, do
00:52:54accept that premise because you're meant to be very
00:52:56inclusive
00:52:58some Jewish people will, many Jewish people, including the party
00:53:01leader, again is Jewish, yeah won't think it's racist.
00:53:05well the party leader quite cowardly skipped the
00:53:08vote, didn't he? does he remain as leader the greens, Mr. Waklin green
00:53:12finally, he needs to stand down, doesn't he, this has been utter sham and
00:53:16outrage, no, we've tripled our membership, we won our
00:53:20first by-election early this year again one of your hosts in your
00:53:23show, and we did quite well in the election that happened the other day, we got over
00:53:2630% the vote, stranger, i think we'll
00:53:30come back stronger, especially burnan pivots back to the
00:53:34right, pash: you've been referred to the equality and human rights
00:53:37commission, people are saying that what you've done with this motion is worse
00:53:41than the worst of Jeremy Corbin leading labor, and you think you've had a good
00:53:45week? I think when we see a genocide streamed in
00:53:484K, hundreds of thousand people under the rubble their own
00:53:52houses, I think that's heinous, I think that's subseen and we
00:53:55should think that a party of progressives
00:53:59suggests a one state solution in the Middle East and suggests that the
00:54:02Israeli people and the Jewish people don't have a... right to the homeland is the
00:54:06day frankly progressiveness died, mr. wakelin green, we need to leave it
00:54:10there, thank you to all of my guests
00:54:12today,
00:54:27today clouds overhead, total
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00:54:42cloud over the next 24 hours, some outbreaks of rain and
00:54:46drizzle pushing north and eastwards, but turning increasingly mild,
00:54:49Atlantic weather system slowly pushing in from the
00:54:53west as we move through tonight and into tomorrow, moving away that ridge of
00:54:57high pressure, clearing skies for a time though this evening across northern and
00:55:01eastern parts the UK turning chilly before the cloud and rain
00:55:05arrived from the west here, temperatures rising through the nights
00:55:09in double figures for many here, still single figures towards
00:55:12Monday morning in the far east, but for all of us
00:55:15a frost-free start to Monday morning, gray skies in the west, outbreaks of
00:55:19rain and drizzle, hill fog in places, limited brightness across the
00:55:23east though, best of this will be across northern and eastern Scotland,
00:55:27first thing, temperatures here on the Chile side, across western
00:55:30Scotland cloudy start, outbreaks of rain and jizzle, similar across
00:55:35northan, western parts
00:55:37of England and Wales, few glimmers of brightness down the east coast of England before
00:55:41the cloud thickens as we move through the morning, I breaks of
00:55:44rain and drizzle slowly pushing north and eastwards through the day, we could see one or two
00:55:48heavier bursts but it will generally be light and patchy, the wind's coming in from
00:55:52the south fairly breezy around the coasts and with that breeze
00:55:56it may just help break the cloud up at times in one or two spots to allow
00:56:00few brighter breaks or some sunny spells trying to move
00:56:04through, but most of us It will be cloudy but much mild
00:56:06the temperatures in the high teens for most locally getting to
00:56:1020-21 celsius where we do see any
00:56:13sunshine. Heavy rain in the northwest. Monday night will push slowly
00:56:17southeastwards through Tuesday, turning much brighter behind it with
00:56:21sunshine and blustery showers. Showers most frequent in the
00:56:24northwest here and temperatures again reaching the high teens
00:56:28of dry day on Wednesday before further wet and windy weather arrives
00:56:32as we move into Thursday.
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00:59:55Good evening, this is free speech nation with me, Josh Howie, on the show tonight, is it
00:59:59safe to stand up for British Jews? The police accused of two-tier
01:00:02policing after Jewish counter protesters were removed from Palestine
01:00:06marches this week. British imans telling men
01:00:10to beat their wives have been exposed, but why are police and
01:00:14politicians refusing to crack down on them? We
01:00:18debate the art of disagreeing agreeably, as new research shows
01:00:22too many of us are too afraid to speak our minds and accept the
01:00:25accepted narrative and is anti-zionism,
01:00:29anti-semitism, new report to be tabled in the House of Lords this week, will
01:00:33explore the arguing that being anti-zionist is in itself
01:00:37racism in rebut to the greens and we've got comedians answering some crazy
01:00:41culture condandroms from our live studio audience, but first
01:00:45the news with Katie Bowen
01:00:54Josh, thank you and good evening, your latest news headlines at 7 o'clock, Donald
01:00:58Trump has announced an energy.