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00:00:00I thank the home secretary for advance sight of her statement. The whole
00:00:04house supports the security services and the police for their
00:00:07work. I pay tribute to the brave men and women
00:00:11of who serve our country in that way. On
00:00:14RF Fairford, firstly, seven suspects were arrested,
00:00:18one, a duel UK Iranian
00:00:22in national. These men were all released
00:00:27of a quickly on bail, and senior US officials have expressed surprise about this. "can the home secretary tell the
00:00:31house if she thinks it was reasonable to release these men so
00:00:35quickly and if she believes they posse any
00:00:37risk. will the
00:00:39of home secretary also tell the house, if the government was aware in
00:00:43advance of any threat to
00:00:46in RAFford, and if so what action they took? as the prime
00:00:50in minister and just now the home secretary have both said, it is highly likely the
00:00:55a Iranian state directed this. it is not
00:00:58acceptable for a state like..." Iran to organize
00:01:01hostile activity
00:01:03on our soil. After the
00:01:05of Salsbury attacks by Russia, then Prime Minister Teresa
00:01:08May expelled 23 Russian
00:01:12a
00:01:12of diplomats. So will the government now take similar action
00:01:16and expell Iranian diplomats, especially
00:01:20those thought to be involved in hostile activity
00:01:23or in espionage. And does she agree in
00:01:27these
00:01:28of
00:01:29in circumstances, it was... wise
00:01:34in of the foreign secretary to publicly shake hands with the Iranian foreign minister on September 24th in contravention of
00:01:38longstanding foreign office policy. I note,
00:01:42Mr. Speaker that on the 4th of October
00:01:44of the U.S. withdrew all of its B1 bombers from Raf Fairford, and
00:01:48both the US president and vice president
00:01:51a ascribed this to security concerns. Will the home secretary confirm
00:01:55that is indeed why the B1's left, and does the home secretary have any
00:01:59concerns? about the safety of US military assets
00:02:02here, because shortly after the RAF incident, two
00:02:06Latvian men were arrested inside RAF Mullsworth,
00:02:10which also hosts US forces. Can the home
00:02:13of secretary of comment on whether
00:02:15of any foreign state may also have been involved
00:02:18of in that incident too? Mr. Speaker,
00:02:22I thank the home secretary for her update on the police response to the
00:02:26terrible murder of Ann Whidicam. The whole house.
00:02:30mornser and those who know Anne, of course will
00:02:33miss her, and this comes on the heels
00:02:37of of the tragic murders of our dear colleagues, Joe Cox and
00:02:40of David Amis, not that long ago. The threat
00:02:44against current and former members of Parliament is
00:02:48clearly
00:02:49in very real one. Joshua Carry, the accused of
00:02:52murdering and is said by prosecutors to have an extreme
00:02:56left-wing mindset, suggesting this was a politically motivator.
00:03:00murder, he's also accused of conducting online
00:03:04reconnaissance on over 100 public figures and
00:03:08a trying to break into the home
00:03:09me of the
00:03:09a honorable member for
00:03:10in Clacton last year. It has been reported that despite
00:03:14recovering substantial amounts of CCTV, that case was
00:03:18closed. It was then reopened in
00:03:22all sorry, just very careful
00:03:23of about how we're going, motivation, we're creeping into
00:03:26a what a court might deciding were not the court. Please we can just...
00:03:30tear a little bit away, because we all want prosecution, I want nothing
00:03:34to risk this case cuz she was a french
00:03:37of of war. thank you, Mr. Speaker, I was quoting what the prosecutor said, but of course
00:03:40I'll um take
00:03:42of your advice um, as always, um, I was going to go to ask,
00:03:46whether the home secretary shares my concern, which she alluded to
00:03:48a in her statement, that the cancellation
00:03:51of the earlier investigation may have meant opportunities to
00:03:55prevent the later tragedy might have been
00:03:58missed. I understand, and number of current and
00:04:02former MPs have very recently
00:04:04of been contacted to be told that they appeared a list made by
00:04:08Kerry. Kerry was arrested on the 11th of
00:04:11July, but
00:04:12of it was not until last week, nearly three months
00:04:15of later that some of those on that list, colleagues of ours here and other former
00:04:18MPs
00:04:19a were notified. can the home secretary tell the house when she
00:04:23knew about that list, and to she agree it would be wrong if
00:04:27those listed on it had the information with held from them for a
00:04:31period of time, potentially as long as three months.
00:04:35threats to democratically elected representatives are
00:04:41of a threats to democracy. well, hello there, I'm Michelle Jubery, you're just listening in to the House of Commons there, where we've just seen
00:04:45our home secretary,
00:04:47of Shabana Mahmoud, she was addressing the house there,
00:04:50of announcing essentially a root and branch review of
00:04:54security for those in public office,
00:04:58of um, aside
00:04:58from additional to, the police support for MPs. She
00:05:02was
00:05:03in also announcing sir, Stephen Lovegrove will conduct that
00:05:06review, that review will report back in six months time. She
00:05:10also then announced a inquiry into the
00:05:14heatenpack synagogue attacks. welcome
00:05:17to jubes and cur, there are so many things we need to talk about tonight,
00:05:21ladies and gents alongside me to respond to that and
00:05:25more. i've got Paulster academic and gb news presenter matt
00:05:29goodwin. i've also as well alongside him
00:05:32got uh journalist dan Hodges. gents, i
00:05:36shall pick up on that story actually uh live, you just been hearing it on
00:05:40fold there, you've also just been hearing as well. um
00:05:43the shadow home secretary Chris Philp responding
00:05:46directly to that. What were your thoughts listening in? Well, there's
00:05:50a lot to uh think about there, Michelle. I mean, the
00:05:53couple of things that stand out to me: firstly, it is now crystal clear,
00:05:57I think that the police did not take the original
00:06:01um plot against Nigel Farage anywhere near as
00:06:05seriously as they should have done. Nigel has gone on record saying he thinks had
00:06:08they done so then Ann Widdeckham, our friend would still be... with
00:06:12us today uh that needs to be investigated uh
00:06:16fully uh the second thing is raf
00:06:20fairford and this sort of absurdity of where we
00:06:24are now, because on the one hand we
00:06:27know, we know that the small boats have been bringing in convicted
00:06:31terrorists from Iraq, Kuwait, from Egypt, um,
00:06:34people have been convicted of terrorist offenses in Germany, and
00:06:38at the same time we've got a labour government that's refusing to stop the...
00:06:42illegal migration flows and is putting the British people
00:06:46and our allies at risk. Nigel Farage this morning said he
00:06:50thinks we are facing national state of
00:06:53emergency. I agree with him, uh, we need to control
00:06:57our borders, we need to clamp down on the terrorists that are being able now.
00:07:01They are able to enter, stream into our country at will,
00:07:04and we're losing our allies. I mean, I never thought I'd see the day
00:07:08where we'd have a government sucking up to Iran to...
00:07:13and Hamas while clamping down on Israel and alienating the United States of
00:07:17America, but here we are. yeah, I mean, I
00:07:21think obviously, as Mata said,
00:07:24very wide range of very serious issues there, obviously we heard
00:07:28the, the statement firstly in relation to to MPs, as Matt said,
00:07:32obviously, as we're aware, there has been a specific
00:07:35threat um in relation to Nigel Farage
00:07:39identified, but I mean also, there has... been a
00:07:42specific threat my understanding, it's been, it's a matter
00:07:45of public
00:07:46record now, specific threat to over 100
00:07:50MPs um from from all parties, including Kemy
00:07:53Badnock, um, and indeed, my understanding is
00:07:57Rosie Duffield who is a former labor MP,
00:08:01so a sense there's not you, there's not a hierarchy of of threat in
00:08:05relation to this, all all our public servants sadly
00:08:09are facing this in relation to
00:08:12'RAF Fairford, um, again, I think I said it at the time when the
00:08:16incident first occurred, and that was
00:08:19Matt's Matt's response at the time, we had discussion about it on Twitter, I mean,
00:08:23I, I have to say I'm find it surprising that when Britain
00:08:27uh, is subject to some form attack by a foreign
00:08:31state, hostile state, Matt's initial reaction is to turn inward
00:08:34and attack the British government, I mean, I'm I'm
00:08:38I'm particularly surprised to see him still banging the sort of'
00:08:42the drum on on on the small boats given he and number of
00:08:46his colleagues in the immediate aftermath the incident were
00:08:50run running around saying that the it seem clear the people
00:08:53involved um were Iranian nationals who
00:08:57arrived on small boats you know they were attacking and are still attacking in
00:09:01certain instances the security services um for in their view not
00:09:05being top of this instant we've had a we've had had more of
00:09:08you know those attacks on the authorities today
00:09:11and and and and obviously
00:09:13that that as far as the information we have uh, none of that turned out to be
00:09:17true. well, just briefly on that, here's
00:09:21what I can't get my head around. 10 years ago, 11 years ago, the European
00:09:25Commission was warned, the European Commission was warned that terrorists
00:09:29would use illegal migration to funnel
00:09:33terrorists into western nations. the next year, 2016,
00:09:37Frontex, the agency that monitors Europe's borders,
00:09:41said the terrorist. we're using illegal migration to flood
00:09:44Europe, to flood western nations with terrorists after the Paris attacks in
00:09:482015, two of those individuals had entered France
00:09:51illegally, we know already in this country we have got convicted
00:09:55terrorists arriving through illegal migration from Iraq, Kuwait, Germany, Egypt and
00:09:59elsewhere, we know that, that's all on the public record, irrespective of whether or not
00:10:03these particular individuals are connected to the small
00:10:07boats, it is nonetheless utterly absurd that Shaban
00:10:11and
00:10:12Mahmoud, let me finish. and utterly absurd that Shabbaana Mahmoud stands there talking about national
00:10:16security, well tonight, tomorrow, the next day and the next
00:10:19day and the next day, anybody can enter this country at will, no matter where they're
00:10:23from, what they believe, why? they're here and historians
00:10:26in the years to come will have to explain this how a state, a
00:10:30supposedly serious state like the United Kingdom has
00:10:33allowed this level of threat to enter at
00:10:37will, but I'm sorry and I think you know that that that of party
00:10:40political broadcast on on behalf of reform and underlines
00:10:44the problem, I mean these are very, very, very
00:10:48serious national security issues that we're talking about, now you and your
00:10:51colleagues, you're now saying, oh well, maybe these specific... people w that
00:10:55doesn't matter at the time it did matter to you and and as
00:10:59I said in relate your immediate response and the response of your
00:11:02colleagues to major national security
00:11:05threat was to attempt to politicize the incident
00:11:09and you got your facts in the incident we
00:11:13know the Iranians have sent agents and operatives in what we know
00:11:16that
00:11:18with respect you ask me you ask me to let me finish so you
00:11:21please let me finish now you still
00:11:25aspire, I understand to government, your
00:11:28colleagues - aspire to government. I mean, I don't
00:11:32think that, I don't think that is, is how things are going
00:11:36to play out, but one the things you're going to have to
00:11:39understand and learn is if you do genuinely aspire to
00:11:43govern the United Kingdom at the highest office, you are going to have to learn
00:11:47to respond to these very serious
00:11:50threats, national security threats a
00:11:54way. that is much more mature than you're doing, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I just want to come back
00:11:58on this, we talk about mature response stand, we are living under labor government
00:12:02that has gone to shake hands with the very state that is
00:12:05seeking to destroy our civilization, Ed Miller Band
00:12:09went over, shook hands with the Iranians, we've got a labor government that is
00:12:13cosing up to Hamas, has been praised by Hamas twice in as
00:12:17many years because it is selling out our foreign policy in order
00:12:20to essentially reward Islamists while punishing Israel and we are...
00:12:25now alienating even the United States of America who are removing
00:12:29their military capabilities from the United Kingdom because,
00:12:32and they've said this quite openly, they do not trust us to
00:12:36manage our own national security,
00:12:39that is not politicizing the point, that is simply saying that we are no
00:12:43longer serious country when it comes to national security, and Nigel
00:12:47Farage said that this morning
00:12:48and I agree with him, there's a couple couple of things there, I mean firstly
00:12:51in in in you know relation to the United States, I think we've all had a graphic example of...
00:12:55the last 24 hours about how nobody should be taking
00:12:58lectures from the United States on international or national security, but
00:13:02again you've perfectly illustrated my point, I mean again, you
00:13:06know, global international diplomacy is
00:13:10very, very complex, it's very, very complex when you're dealing with
00:13:14issues of sort of international
00:13:17terrorism, it's very, very complex when you're dealing with the issues we're currently seeing in the
00:13:21Middle East, and your exers, your focus..."
00:13:25is my handshake, that's just not, it's just not serious,
00:13:28sorry, dad, as you know, as you know, symbolism in geopolitics matters a
00:13:32great deal, so can you explain the complexity that led the labour
00:13:36government, that led the left in this country to essentially
00:13:39reward Hamas by recognizing a state while we still had
00:13:43Jews in tunnels being held hostage, can you explain the
00:13:47complexity that led to Ed Millerband to endorse and legitim
00:13:51legitimize the Iranian state that is actively plotting
00:13:55terror attacks against our people, I don't think that's complex. I think there's a line, which
00:13:59is we don't deal with those people, they're trying to kill us, we don't deal with those people,
00:14:03they just murdered 1,200 Jews, and we stand uh with British
00:14:07Jews on that issue, and we support the United States of America, because guess what, they've been
00:14:10providing our security in this country since the second world war, I
00:14:14don't think it is that complex, I mean I'm just curious buse you haven't real, that's absolutely
00:14:18right, you don't think it's complex, you think it's all
00:14:22very, very simple, I'm just explaining. point rais just just for my
00:14:26just so like understand your position, even if these
00:14:30Iranians didn't come in on the small boats, can you explain to me
00:14:33why
00:14:34it is the labour government despite knowing that we are
00:14:37importing and we have imported convicted terrorists from Iran,
00:14:41from Egypt and elsewhere, why it is the labor government will not
00:14:45as a matter of principle control our borders, I'm not politicizing
00:14:49it, I'm just asking you a question, why why
00:14:52you want to answer the question, I'll answer the question again because...
00:14:56as as everyone is aware, the issue of stopping the
00:14:59small bones is again a complex issue. If it was simple
00:15:03issue, then your colleagues Suella Bravman and Robert Genrick would have
00:15:07solved the solved the issue when they were in charge of
00:15:10immigration and when that when Suela Bravman
00:15:14was was home secretary, and of course they didn't, did
00:15:18they? it's it is, I find it absolutely, no, but they didn't, did they?
00:15:22you're not disputing not that, disputing
00:15:23you're party, the tory party... No, but your
00:15:25colleague, I'm
00:15:27your question, the tory party refused to solve the issue, which is why
00:15:31Suwella and Robert resigned in discussed at what the tory party was
00:15:34doing, that is why they left
00:15:36the government reality. It's not, but that is that is
00:15:40what happened, why they resigned is is is matter of record, neither and the resigned,
00:15:44they resigned because they did not believe the tory party was acting in the
00:15:47interests the nation, but not in relation to small bones, in relation to
00:15:51immigration, absolutely, which is
00:15:54in fact both Suella Bravman and Robert Genrick stood at the
00:15:57election a conservative manifesto which
00:16:01had similar policy on this rather than go look, they've said why they've left the touri
00:16:05party, don't dispute, this
00:16:09is important, no, no, no, this
00:16:10is important, no, because you were just blame, you you're blaming
00:16:13labor and theory party, I'm just saying,
00:16:17is it not a matter of fact that your current colleague,
00:16:20sir, was home secretary at the time, small, a
00:16:24tory party that refused to leave the European convention on human rights,
00:16:28a tory party that refused to repeal the human rights act in
00:16:32a tory party that refused to derogate from the refugee convention, reform
00:16:36uk this morning. every single one of those things which you
00:16:39need to
00:16:39do to stop the boats, you say it's complex, it really is not that complex
00:16:43stand, we could stop the boats within a matter of weeks and as I said Matthew, you just again
00:16:47European it, everything's simple in your world, I'm just saying
00:16:51your colleague suela Bravman who was home secretary didn't find it that
00:16:55simple, and your
00:16:56colleague Robert Generic who was immigration minister, but the people watching the
00:17:00showdown, they're not idiots, they know it was the tory party, not an individual
00:17:04that refused to leave the ECHR and deal with.
00:17:10you're sitting there saying it was really really simple, really really simple, you know
00:17:14and everybody knows it was the tory party as Rishi Sunak himself said on
00:17:18Sunday that refused to leave the EC they were they were
00:17:22senior ministers in that government, well you are all watching at
00:17:26home, you are not idiots - not indeed, who do you blame for this and do you
00:17:30actually think that the current government uh will be able to get a grip of it, if
00:17:34you are just tuning in uh you're listening and watching to jubes and just been
00:17:38talking about Raf Farford there um our prime minister, he gave a
00:17:41statement on that today, and what he was saying, and I
00:17:45quote,
00:17:46I can confirm our our assessment that it is highly
00:17:49likely that uh that potential terror flot plot,
00:17:52sorry, had been coordinated in Iran, almost certainly
00:17:56directed by Iran's Islamic revolutionary guard, he went
00:18:00to say we will not tolerate those threats on our soil, we will crack down on
00:18:03Iran's use of criminal networks using our full range of powers to target.
00:18:07them and their funding streams and you went to say uh that he was
00:18:11announcing further sanctions and also at the top the program if you
00:18:15just tuned in you will have missed perhaps our home secretary giving announcement
00:18:19there when it comes safety in public officer police
00:18:23protection will now be expanded to people
00:18:26beyond just serving MPs there will also be a public
00:18:29inquiry into the heaten park uh attack there at
00:18:33that synagogue and of course you mentioned David Amos as well do "It
00:18:37was half decade, this week, as it happens, uh, that
00:18:41David Ammis was murdered. Uh, we've got that review as well,
00:18:45Robert Buckland, he was commissioned in March to commence that
00:18:49review. I do find myself uh, wondering how many
00:18:52reviews, how many root and branch uh, investigations do
00:18:56we need on these kind of things? Uh, the announcement today
00:19:00that there will be uh, Sir Stephen Lovegrove, he will be conducting
00:19:04review, that one set to report back in six months." What
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00:22:50Hello everyone, welcome back, Jub's Ancer, Michelle Jubery, Mack Goodwin, Dan
00:22:53Hodges with you until 7 o'clock tonight, uh, so we've just been
00:22:57hearing then the home secretary talking about national security
00:23:01and security in public office, I'll tell you someone else that was talking about
00:23:05national security as well today, that was reform UK, they - did a press
00:23:09conference making announcement today that if they got into uh
00:23:13office, what they would essentially do is they'll call it shut down,
00:23:17press pause on the asylum system for a parliament. term:
00:23:21let's just have a little listen to Nigel Farage: all we're asking
00:23:24here is for normality, all we're asking here is
00:23:28for normal service to be resumed,
00:23:32and so yes, we will end the asylum system
00:23:36for up to five years, and why are we going to do that? because we're
00:23:40in the most terrible mess as a country, we literally have
00:23:44no idea who is here, and we
00:23:47frankly can't afford...
00:23:50to take the risk, well given your allegiance with reform, I'll start
00:23:54with you, um, your thoughts today, well I agree that absolutely
00:23:58everything Nigel Farage said this morning, I think we are a state of
00:24:01national emergency, we don't know who's coming into the country, we don't control our
00:24:05borders, even the BBC and Home Office whistleblowers has
00:24:09reported in the Times newspaper say the system is in
00:24:13complete chaos, we had that revelation only two weeks ago from somebody who's
00:24:17working asylum claims that only one in every
00:24:20100 is legitimate, the BBC has revealed that
00:24:24lawyers are gaming the system, telling asylum seekers and illegal
00:24:28migrants, how to basically exploit the generosity the
00:24:32British people, and all of this is costing, everybody out there
00:24:36watching this show, billions and billions of pounds that should be
00:24:40going into our schools, our hospitals, building prisons
00:24:44and our infrastructure, I think Nigel Farage is absolutely right, I think we've
00:24:48done an enormous amount for Ukrainians, 'we've done an enormous amount for Hong
00:24:51Kongers, we've done an enormous amount for people from other parts the world, but it is
00:24:55time now to put the British people where they belong, which is
00:24:59first and Rogers, yeah, I mean we saw uh
00:25:03Nigel there saying
00:25:04you know this is about the the crisis in the the the immigration system and the
00:25:08asylum system is not really it, it's actually about the
00:25:11crisis that is currently facing reform and the
00:25:15ongoing collapse in reforms poll rating in
00:25:19general and in specifically the political
00:25:22threat that that Nigel Farage and Matthew and others
00:25:26see from restore who are currently eating
00:25:29into what's left of of reforms pole
00:25:33rating, so this is just the latest sort of iteration
00:25:37their policy, I mean I think last time I was in this studio we had a big launch
00:25:41of what was it, what was it called, it had the big glossy thing
00:25:44operation something or other and you had a big aircraft carrier on the front the
00:25:48brochure and that was going to solve the problem. and obviously that didn't have any
00:25:51effect on on on on reforms pull rating, so we've got this, so we've got
00:25:55this policy here which now involves, and I think it's important
00:25:59to stress this, not.
00:26:02targeting people who are trying to abuse the asylum
00:26:05system, but the first time I've heard this from any sort of political
00:26:09party other than maybe the national front or the BMP,
00:26:13sending back to oppressive regimes to murder and
00:26:17torture people are genuine, that's not
00:26:21true, that is your policy, no it's not, if the countries are deemed
00:26:24not safe, yeah, they were very clear this morning, our document is very clear, they
00:26:28will be sent to third country processing,
00:26:32why are all these third countries going to accept that? what we're back to third countries. it's
00:26:36it's interesting how dismissive you are of this idea. do you know who else is backing that idea?
00:26:40who else is backing that did? greece, Denmark,
00:26:44Germany, Italy, something that lot of reforms
00:26:47critics now ignore is that many EU member states now
00:26:51guess where they want to send illegal migrants down to Rwanda, so
00:26:55wait second, so wait second, but just to be clear on the policy,
00:26:58if the third, these magical third countries
00:27:02are going to absorb these migrants that we don't want, don't
00:27:06want them, then you will have to return to their countries of
00:27:09origin,
00:27:11right? no, we will send them to third country pr,
00:27:14i just said, i just said there were going to be lots of countries down, we had we just almost had an
00:27:18agreement with one, we just almost had an agreement with an agreement,
00:27:22rwanda, we almost had an agreement, you haven't got an agreement, you're actually saying
00:27:25that, wait second, no, no, no, this is interesting, you're
00:27:29actually sitting there now and you're telling people watching this program that
00:27:33your solution is to send them to Rwanda, the person who sat
00:27:37here, well you did, you just said Rwanda, no, I didn't say that, listen to me, okay, so what's the
00:27:41country, listen to me carefully, I am listening, I'm listening very questioning
00:27:45the pre, you're questioning the premise that we cannot
00:27:48send illegal, that we can send illegal migrants and asylums to
00:27:52third countries, reminder if I can finish my point please, please do,
00:27:56Greece is doing it, Denmark is doing it, Italy is doing it, Germany is doing it, the
00:28:00European Union is doing it, in which case? Hodges, if we cannot
00:28:04actually send illegal migrants and asylum seekers who are costing us
00:28:08billions of pounds to third countries, you better tell all of Europe,
00:28:12because they are currently planning on doing so, including you want to name countries,
00:28:16Uganda and Rwanda, and why did the tori party not
00:28:20not be able to pursue with Rwanda, because we were still in the European
00:28:23convention on human rights and what is reform going to do, leave the
00:28:27European convention on human right, you just announced the policy and you've
00:28:30said fundamental part. the policy is sending them to
00:28:34third - sort of third party, well ideally sending them
00:28:38back to the countries they came from, but if those countries are deemed unsafe, they will
00:28:42have to go to a third country center, third country for processing,
00:28:46right? so which third country have you got an agreement with? well, wel strike agreements
00:28:50with those countries, like much of so you haven't got any agreements, like much of
00:28:54Europe is currently negotiating the same agreements down, you're being
00:28:57fesitous, you
00:28:58know,
00:29:03I'm sorry,
00:29:03I'm not going
00:29:03to have, I'm not going to have a whole debate about a mythical,
00:29:06hypothetical third country, I thought you wouldn't want to, the
00:29:10debate down, I'm sorry, this,
00:29:12it's a mythical third country, in which case, in which case I suggest going to Brussels and
00:29:16Strasburg and having exactly the same conversation with Germany,
00:29:19Italy, Greece, much of Europe is now coming to the same point that
00:29:23Nigel Farage was making five years ago, which is that we
00:29:26need safe countries where we can send illegal
00:29:30migrants so they are not put into the...
00:29:34at the moment, your word, not mine, at the moment it's a mythical third
00:29:38country, is that correct? you haven't actually gotten agreement about the third country you're going to send these
00:29:42people, dan we will strike agreements with countries, you haven't, you haven't today
00:29:46is what i'm saying, well they're not in power, which countries are going to be
00:29:49striking,
00:29:57hang on, respond, yes, but i also want to
00:30:01bring it into... day as well, because we're currently talking about third
00:30:05countries and people that are not yet in power, what's wrong with sending people
00:30:09back to their country of origin? what is wrong with sending
00:30:13genuine asylum seekers back to their country of origin? yes, well,
00:30:17because they'll be murdered and tortured, michelle, not always, so hold on then, because I want to
00:30:20explore this thought, so you must be livided with the current labor government then,
00:30:24because Shaban Mahmoud, there's a case going through at the moment where
00:30:28you've got a guy from Syria who is a plastic surgeon.
00:30:32'who came into this country multiple years ago with his wife and his children, they're all
00:30:36settled here, and the UK government have now uh announced that
00:30:39he's having his refugee
00:30:41pr protection removed and he's got to go back to Syria, well that's presumably
00:30:45because he's it's been deemed he's not a genuine refugee,
00:30:49but policy hold on,
00:30:52this
00:30:53is this is very important because what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get away from the
00:30:57party political fighting and I'm trying to focus on
00:31:00specifics of what is going on'. here, so Syria, when you look
00:31:04at Syria,
00:31:05the the foreign office say
00:31:06that you shouldn't travel to Syria, we shouldn't travel to Syria because of volatile
00:31:10security situations, the UN refugee body um
00:31:13says it's basically very... unsafe and all the rest of it, but there is case going through the courts right now, it's
00:31:17a Syrian guy, is a plastic surgeon in this country, he arrived in
00:31:21the UK in 2016, he lives in London with his wife and six children, and
00:31:25he's received a letter from the home office saying his refugee
00:31:28protection has been cancelled, and what they're basically
00:31:32saying um is that now the Assad regime has fallen,
00:31:36it should be saved for this Japanese family to go back, this has been
00:31:40widely reported in places like the Guardian and all the rest of it,
00:31:44so what would... you say to that then? well, i've just said it,
00:31:47that the point is that the assad regime, ye, he was
00:31:50fleeing, has fallen, so obviously the sad
00:31:54regime and no longer a threat to him, what Matthew's party's
00:31:58policy is, as I said, and he's admitted it, I haven't
00:32:01add anything done, well no, you have, well this point, should people go back to
00:32:05Syria, should we send asylum seekers and refugees in
00:32:08Britain back to Syria, it's simple question, yes or
00:32:11no, uh, should should people be sent back?
00:32:16just about that, I'm just about to answer you, you go through case by case basis, if they
00:32:20have genuine fear of persecution, you don't send them back, if they
00:32:24don't have genuine fear of persecution, no, he has fear of persecution, this guy, this is
00:32:28why it's going through the courts now, but the point is he will have to
00:32:31demonstrate that if he's sent back to Syria he will face ajonion threat
00:32:35of persecution, now if the reason he was here in the first place was he
00:32:38fast persecution from the assad regime and as he said the assad
00:32:42regime no longer exists then that is why i presume his case
00:32:46is now under question, that is separate from what Matt's policy and
00:32:50reforms policy is, which is even people who are
00:32:54proven to have genuine, genuine and
00:32:57existing fear of persecution should be sent
00:33:00back. i think you need to have a conversation with Germany, dam, because
00:33:04they have just decided over the last couple of days. in Germany should i have the conversation
00:33:08with that, because Germany has just decided
00:33:12in the last couple of days to send back, Syrians
00:33:16that have come into Germany since 2015 because Syria is now
00:33:19deemed safe country, in fact Germany
00:33:23is also that's not your policy, in fact
00:33:25Germany, that's not your policy, can I finish, you asked me about
00:33:29sending people back safe countries and sending people back to countries that might have
00:33:33not once upon a time be considered safe, Germany's even sending people back to
00:33:37Afghanistan, party's policy
00:33:40is, your party's policy, no let me let me
00:33:44finish it. people to accept people from all over the world, before you
00:33:48go into the party polical speech, let me just make
00:33:50this point, just because I'm going to
00:33:51have to explain to you what your policy is, before today your party's policy
00:33:55was we will send back people who are not genuine asylum seekers,
00:33:59your party's policy today, we've just had the press conference is you
00:34:02will send back people who are genuine asylum seekers, do you
00:34:06understand the difference, dan you're being deliberately faces, you missed out the key, just literally
00:34:10told you what your policy is, do you generally not know what
00:34:13your own party policy is? 'two
00:34:16countries that are deemed safe, to countries that are deemed safe,
00:34:20do you understand that point, dan do you want me to write it down for you? yeah, there's safe countries, but you're
00:34:24saying
00:34:25you will dep, you're saying you'll deport people from
00:34:28countries that are still not deemed safe, what do you make to all ladies
00:34:32and gen sorry, did you generally not realize that what's you're doing, you're being
00:34:36completely disingenuous and people at home will be able to see what the policy
00:34:40is, we will send people back to countries that are deemed safe, countries that are not deemed safe,
00:34:44those people be sent to third country processing centers, that's not
00:34:48particularly complex, Dan, I know you struggle with big words. Uh, excuse me, we do
00:34:51respectful
00:34:52to bit on this program. Thank you very much, and the respectful debate will
00:34:56continue after the break, there are so many things that we need to discuss, ladies and
00:34:59gents, not least, there's a video of something
00:35:02and I will play it for you after the break, it's really divided opinion, you'll have strong opinions on
00:35:06it yourself, I'll have all of that and more after the
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00:39:05hello
00:39:11everyone, welcome back, i can tell you it's been spicy in this break, ladies
00:39:14and gents, these two have not let up, if you're just tuning in, you're missing
00:39:18- cracking debate tonight, dan hodgis and matt goodwin keeping you
00:39:22company until 7 o'clock tonight, lords we need to get through, let me
00:39:26just show you a little clip that's divided at the internet today, it
00:39:30really annoyed me when i saw it last night, have a little look, it involves
00:39:33footballer, take a
00:39:35watch,
00:39:39please,
00:39:49please, oh, i'm sorry, but as moment to a little boy that broke my heart, you got a little
00:39:53kid uh, encountering his idol, he's got - parma written on the...
00:39:57back of his Chelsea share at Cole Palma that couldn't even be bothered
00:40:01even to say hello, I'm going to try and squeeze few minutes in before the end the program, see what you
00:40:05think to that, but before I do, something else that's really got you all divided, I hate to
00:40:09break it to get it in hats on because it involves the EU. Let's take a
00:40:13listen to what Andy Bernam had to say on recent
00:40:17podcast. I've asked the question myself coming
00:40:20in uh to this role cuz I gave a speech to the UN recently on
00:40:24this very topic, I don't think we knew back then the... extent to which there
00:40:28was state-sponsored interference in the British
00:40:31Democratic process, but I asked the question coming into Downing Street,
00:40:35well was there interference in the 2016
00:40:39referendum from Russia, and I've had the clear answer that yes there
00:40:42was, the sponsored interference from Russia, when it comes to Brexit, then listen to what
00:40:46Andy Bernam said today, I implied no such
00:40:49thing in my comments on the uh Restis politics
00:40:53podcast, I think she should go back and and look...
00:40:57again, it is matter of record, Mr. Speaker, that Russian
00:41:01actors sought to interfere in the
00:41:0429 general election, and we think it is
00:41:08inconceivable that this was the first
00:41:12time, and
00:41:13I do have to say there was only like matter of hours between those two things taking place,
00:41:17the podcast and then
00:41:17that uh so-called clarification statement in the comments uh,
00:41:21really, I mean, where where do we even start with this? first and foremost, Andy
00:41:25Benham did suggest, I mean, I've literally... cleared the clip that there was Russian
00:41:28interference in Brexit, so why then suggest that he didn't?
00:41:32yeah, i we were talking about this off there, i'm surprised
00:41:36he's got himself in such a mess on this one, because mean i i i
00:41:40think the thing is in the clip he said there was Russian interference
00:41:44in Brexit and there was Russian interference in why
00:41:48didn't I said it buse anyone was work said that I think I think
00:41:52the point is we've now moved from was there Russian interference in
00:41:55Brexit to was the interference
00:41:58successful and did the interference
00:42:02effectively and significantly influence or determine the vote and the
00:42:05reality is it didn't I mean I don't think anybody I mean
00:42:09this is the one think that me and Matt would would agree on, um,
00:42:13I don't think anyone really seriously thinks that that the Brexit
00:42:17result was was a was a product of of the Russians, but
00:42:20equally, it's it, it's foolish to deny, we had, we opened the program looking at the
00:42:24threats we're facing from from foreign states, obviously we focused
00:42:28lot, focused lot on Iran, um, but
00:42:32Russia is a threat a major and and direct threat, obviously we had
00:42:36the incident of obviously the fire bomb attacks on Kier Starmer's House.
00:42:40"um, we've obviously had the Sulsbury issue and and other issues, so
00:42:44Russia is is major threat, but as I said, I'm not entirely sure
00:42:47why
00:42:49on the head of a pin over whether he said you know it was, it was
00:42:53interference or whether it it's very strange, it's very
00:42:56strange goings on, um, anyway, your thoughts,
00:42:59just the idea that there was Russian misinformation that led
00:43:03people to vote for Brexit is utterly absurd, as I think everybody knows,
00:43:07people wanted less migration, control their borders, sovereignty." independence, the
00:43:11European Union is not a democratic organization, and as we can see now,
00:43:1410 years on, it's just not working, mass rights and Spain,
00:43:18Belgium, France is on the cusp of major sovereign debt crisis, the
00:43:22EU is divided, it's a declining share the world economy, but what
00:43:26Burnham's doing, and you got to understand what he's doing here is
00:43:29something else, this narrative of Russian misinformation
00:43:33is like catnip to greens, to labour voters, to some
00:43:37Libdem voters, it's true, I just finish. can i just
00:43:41i'm just saying
00:43:42you wouldn't deny that rusformation in the same way that
00:43:46i would also say labor labor parties involved in spreading a lot of
00:43:49misinformation about migration in the borders, but one the things i want one
00:43:53the things one the things i
00:43:55want to get across is what he's doing is he's rolling the
00:43:59pitch, he's going on podcasts like rest his politics and then he went on
00:44:03another prominent left-wing podcast, he's rolling the pitch to
00:44:06get left-wing voters to unify around him, that's why he's saying
00:44:09rejoin the. 'eu, that's why he's being pro Gaza, that's why he's softened immigration
00:44:13restrictions, that's why he's going for proportional representation, so to people on the right of
00:44:17politics watching this show, you got to see the game here that's going on, he's rolling the
00:44:21pitch for early election and he's hoping to exploit the
00:44:25fact that the right is divided right, conservative reform to
00:44:29much much lesser extent restore everybody needs to understand the game that
00:44:32Burnham is playing, the only party in this country that is
00:44:36spreading mass misinformation is the labour government'.
00:44:40which on
00:44:40the one hand is saying don't worry about immigration, but on the other hand we're
00:44:43going to hand out lets to migrants saying please don't hurt people
00:44:46question, we we had discussion before when as i said we were talking
00:44:50about you know foreign threats and misinformation, why do you find
00:44:54it so hard to acknowledge and condemn the
00:44:58the Russia threat and Russia misinformation? I don't, what I struggle with is the way in which
00:45:02people on the left for much the last 10 years
00:45:04have been pedling narratives okay, but you're not you're not doing it, I mean you just said that
00:45:08the work. information misinformation is coming
00:45:11from, listen to me, listen to me, listen to me carefully, can put it in the on
00:45:15lights behind my back, russia spreads misinformation, so does Iran, so
00:45:19does China, but listen to me, this well, listen to me,
00:45:23you know what this labor government is doing, it is lecturing people about misinformation,
00:45:27while not even giving them the information about what is going on in our own country,
00:45:31now I don't want to see a government do that either, it's telling us, don't worry about this
00:45:34stuff going on in the channel, and at the same time giving illegal migrants
00:45:38leat saying please don't rape, attack, murder British people, who's
00:45:42spreading misinformation in here? I find it absolutely astonishing that you're not
00:45:46there going, we should clamp down on misinformation in all of its
00:45:49forms, the labour government should be more transparent, we should be fixing the borders, I
00:45:53want all governments to be transparent, but I do think, as I said, I just think it's
00:45:57surprising that again you get, you present with national
00:46:01security threat and your first instinct
00:46:04government, we know what this
00:46:05Russia misinformation narrative is about, it's about discrediting the Brexit
00:46:09vote. about discrediting patriotism,
00:46:11you just said 10 seconds ago you said you'd put up in nean lights, it
00:46:15wasn't a narrative, it was true, well I can hear many of you at home um, you'll be
00:46:19shooting at your screens, it wasn't the Russians uh that made you do it, it was
00:46:23things like immigration control that made you do it, John says
00:46:26Michelle, um, how come you're not talking about the uh live streaming the
00:46:30death penalty, I after the break, have you seen this plans
00:46:34to live stream a state sponsored
00:46:37execution, what do
00:46:39you think to that? And I do want to talk about that cold palm, I think loads of you getting in touch. I'll see you
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00:49:57hello everyone, welcome back, now you all know that i have very strong opinions on the death
00:50:01penalty, but let ask you this: do you think there should ever be an
00:50:04occasion where the uh death penalty is
00:50:08live streamed for anyone and everyone presumably to be able to
00:50:12access? this is what's been proposed over in America uh,
00:50:16there's
00:50:16one guy, Nidal Hassan, he, you will remember this case, I'm sure it
00:50:20went back years ago, now 2000... nine he killed multiple
00:50:24servicemen and one civilian. anyway, they've now decided he
00:50:28will be executed by firing squad on the 3rd of
00:50:31December, but publicly streamable. what do you think to
00:50:35that? well, mean it's it's it's just disgusting isn't it?
00:50:39mean, but yeah, that's unfortunately the nature of
00:50:42of of you know the the administration we've got in the
00:50:46United States at the moment, mean i saw um who's at
00:50:49Hesgith, you know,
00:50:51you know, announced. in this and he was actually grinning when he when he announced it, mean it's just
00:50:55cuuse they feel very strongly um about this in the uh in
00:50:59America, he was the the perpetrator was a former
00:51:03army uh major, what um people like Marco Rubio
00:51:07would say is that they want the reason that they're proposing this is that they want to send a really harsh
00:51:11message, um you will never do this to our troops
00:51:14and if you do, this is what's coming your way, yeah, but at the same time the
00:51:18last time I remember executions being spread across...
00:51:22media and televised and publicized was when ISIS were doing
00:51:26all kinds of absolute atrocities in the Middle East, and
00:51:29I do think that, we we we have to try and hold ourselves
00:51:33to a higher standard than Barbarians like
00:51:37the Deathcult ISIS, and if
00:51:41Americans want to use the death penalty, okay, use
00:51:43the death penalty, but I'm not sure where the public live
00:51:47streaming aspect comes into this, I don't particularly support
00:51:50it, um, I do think that... more broadly, we need to work lot harder to clamp down
00:51:54on Islamism, get Islamists out of western nations, do what the European
00:51:58Parliament has suggested this week, which is ban the Muslim brotherhood, there you go,
00:52:02again ideas that started in Britain are now... influencing the European
00:52:06Parliament, but I'm not sure live execution executions are the way to go. Even for
00:52:10me, I think that live streaming it might be a bit much. You've got so many young people
00:52:14and all the rest of it, you don't want them exposed to extreme violence. When you
00:52:17expose, particularly young impressionable minds to extreme
00:52:20violence, you decentratize uh people against all of those
00:52:24things and I'm not really sure that is the right idea uh to be going down. John says he
00:52:28absolutely doesn't support it and it should never be turned into
00:52:32entertainment uh he says. tell you what's
00:52:35been entertaining many people, that is the debate about this footage, let me show you
00:52:39very quickly, coal palmer, chelsea player
00:52:42watch,
00:52:49please,
00:52:51please,
00:52:55so that's a little boy, he's got cold palmer uh, his palm's name on his share,
00:52:59he encounters cole palma after the game at the weekend, he just wants a bit of
00:53:03paper signing, you know what, um, I just think Cole Pama, you're an
00:53:06absolute douch bag, you seem to be forgetting the kind of people who put you
00:53:10where you are. now, a little boy, you're obviously his hero is
00:53:14wearing your name for goodness sakes, even hello, just simple smile
00:53:18would do, would it not? yeah,
00:53:21so I certainly think some acknowledgement, I mean the one thing I would say is we, we didn't see the first half of
00:53:25that, I don't, he may well have prior to that have stopped to to to
00:53:28deliver autographs and and and the problem is in in in that sort of scenario, if he stopped
00:53:32for somebody then he's going to get 'then he's he's going to get
00:53:36mobbed, I don't where he was going, I mean, I think, you you you know
00:53:40what it's like, I mean it is, you know, there's nice things about being famous and
00:53:44and and sometimes it can be less less
00:53:48nice, I know, but little kids, I mean
00:53:51I think you know just smile or a tap on the shoulder or something would
00:53:55have would hodges and I agree, oh my goodness,
00:53:59goodness, stop this program now, smile and nod is not too
00:54:03much to ask for, particularly when kids are inb'. 'well
00:54:05we got there in the end, Charlotte says Michelle, you've been very unfair on Cole Palma, parents
00:54:09should teach their child to respect people's privacy and not pester
00:54:13people, Christine says too many people selling autographs these days, spoils it for
00:54:17the genuine fans uh, ladies and gents, if you've got a young kid, do
00:54:21everything that you can to try and prevent them from idolizing these
00:54:25over-peared uh young men who are just literally kicking
00:54:29football around, because when I see stuff like that nobody wants to be mobbed, no
00:54:33one wants to be disturbed all the time, but 'if you don't have it in your soul
00:54:36even smile and say hello to a little boy that idolizes
00:54:40you, I pity you, that's all I've got to say, anyway, glad we ended
00:54:44a note of agreement, thanks chaps, have a good night, I'll see you tomorrow and
00:54:47night,
00:54:52expect warm spells with the odd rude
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00:55:04from the'. office here on GB News, very mild tonight, also
00:55:08very windy for some, and the mild blustery weather continues tomorrow, there'll be some
00:55:12sunshine, but there will also be a spell of heavy rain moving through,
00:55:16thanks to this little area of low pressure, it's intensifying, developing as it moves
00:55:20up towards the northwest, that's where the strongest winds will be, getting quite gusty and
00:55:24windy this evening across Northern Ireland with a spell of heavy rain moving
00:55:27through here and turning very windy indeed across the highlands of Scotland and
00:55:31particularly the Western Isles through the early hours, that spell of rainal sweep through. the
00:55:35central belt and eventually turn up in western parts of Wales. So much of England and Wales
00:55:39though, just a dank murky drizzly old night, but very mild temperatures
00:55:43holding up at 14-15 degrees. So it won't be a cold start to Tuesday.
00:55:47Could be quite a wet start, however, the spell of rain edging its way
00:55:50through, generally dry over the midlands, much of eastern England,
00:55:54but there's that area of rain. It could be quite heavy in places, this rain, particularly over
00:55:58parts of Northwest England. The wet and windy weather sweeps through Northern Ireland, but then we're
00:56:02left with showers coming in for Tuesday. morning the rain by the
00:56:06time we get to Russia should be pulling away from the east coast of Scotland so
00:56:10skies brightening pretty rapidly here, but then more showers packing into
00:56:14western Scotland a brisk wind, the winds won't be as strong as they will be
00:56:17overnight, but nevertheless quite noticeable that spell of rain then works its way across
00:56:21east anglia and the southeast, doesn't bring a huge amount of rain, doesn't
00:56:25last all that long, and look at that, the afternoon largely sunny across the south,
00:56:29further north there'll be sunny spells, but there will also be some blustery
00:56:32gusty showers, still mild. which is in the mid to high
00:56:36teens, maybe over 20 celsius across the southeast, taking a
00:56:40little cooler Tuesday night into Wednesday morning,
00:56:43a little bit fresher at first thing,
00:56:44but generally dry fine day across much the south, some early morning mist and
00:56:48fog, but then more wet and very windy weather potentially coming
00:56:52into the northwest, need to keep an eye on that again elsewhere, generally
00:56:56dry and bright and still quite mild with temperatures perhaps up to 20
00:56:59celsius, expect warm
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