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00:00:30Iran cannot have nuclear weapons. Iran's
00:00:32Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Garibabadi has said
00:00:38that the understanding between Iran and Oman on the Strait of Hormuz is in its
00:00:41final stages. A significant portion of the shipping route will pass
00:00:45through Iranian waters. The new model will be different
00:00:49So do we want from the arrangement that has been in place for the past 60 years.
00:00:52The Iran-Oman understanding does not mean that the Strait of Hormuz will be completely opened.
00:00:55There are indications from America that it is ready to act again on its promises.
00:01:00The issue of transit fees from ships will depend
00:01:03in the protest of Tehreek-e-Insaf, on the decisions of the Iranian leadership and American attitude.
00:01:05Iran's President Masoud Pezeshkian has said that America thought that through war
00:01:09and sanctions,
00:01:12At that time, it was Mr. Bappy's like Syria, the government in Iran would also be overthrown,
00:01:16but it failed. The new Supreme Leader has made
00:01:20and besides them, Iran united and strong. Contact with the suspected Khamenei is very
00:01:23difficult, but his presence is a source
00:01:27of extraordinary strength for the Iranian people. Federal Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi has said
00:01:30that the government will complete its five years.
00:01:34Shehbaz Sharif will remain Prime Minister for five years.
00:01:34Whatever people do,
00:01:39they will complete their term. In an interview with Geo News, he said
00:01:43that he still stands by his statement that the system has been destroyed.
00:01:47I said that the system has been destroyed for 80 years.
00:01:50If the Prime Minister had got a good system,
00:01:54he would have taken this country forward very quickly.
00:01:58We will advise the Prime Minister to review the performance
00:02:02of all federal cabinet ministers. Get the performance checked
00:02:05by a third party. Today, the price of petrol has been increased
00:02:08by 4 rupees and 45 paisa per liter.
00:02:12The new price of petrol has been fixed
00:02:22Maulana Fazlur Rehman Sahib at 333 rupees and one paisa per liter.
00:02:25Meteorology says that
00:02:28weak.
00:02:43whether he made this statement
00:03:08Auzubillahiminashaitanirrajeem BismillahirRahmanirRahim. is not able to do anything.
00:03:20of a Hazara province,
00:03:26We do not know the number of people arrested,
00:03:41in Punjab,
00:04:07including MNAs and MPAs. Call a meeting of the entire opposition
00:04:10at the national level
00:04:11to remedy these crises.
00:04:15We are here. On August 7, Inshallah,
00:04:18all major highways of Pakistan
00:04:20will be closed.
00:04:23In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
00:04:27Assalam-o-Alaikum. Today, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
00:04:32had announced protests across the country because three years have passed since
00:04:35the arrest of its founding chairman Imran Khan.
00:04:39There was a rally in Peshawar. There were also protests
00:04:41in various cities including Lahore and Karachi.
00:04:44There were also arrests. But one of the most important
00:04:47things we have noted is that
00:04:50just as the Punjab Police in Lahore,
00:04:54that is, the government of PML-N,
00:04:57There are debates on it. took Tehreek-e-Insaf to task, similarly,
00:05:00the Sindh Police in Karachi, that is, the PPP government,
00:05:03also took Tehreek-e-Insaf workers to task in Karachi,
00:05:07and one incident that also happened
00:05:10was that while arresting the lawyers
00:05:14in Lahore, the Lahore Police also thrashed
00:05:17the journalists. So today,
00:05:21in various cities of Pakistan, we saw that
00:05:25tear gas shells were also being fired, journalists were being beaten,
00:05:28and the debate on new provinces was quite active today.
00:05:31But obviously, there is still discussion on it,
00:05:35and Jamaat-e-Islami has announced to block all roads
00:05:38of Pakistan on August 7. Transporters have called for
00:05:44a strike across the country on August 8. So where are these matters going?
00:05:48To discuss this, we have with us Rana Sanaullah Sahib, Advisor to the Prime Minister
00:05:51for Political Affairs. We have Senator Palwasha Khan
00:05:55representing Pakistan People's Party in the studio, and Mr. Senator Awais Bappy
00:05:59Sahib is representing Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:06:02So Rana Sanaullah Sahib, my question to you is
00:06:06that in the debate on new provinces, it seemed that
00:06:10there were quite a few differences between PPP and PML-N,
00:06:13but today,
00:06:15whether it was in Lahore or Karachi
00:06:19or anywhere else, PML-N and PPP
00:06:23seemed quite united in suppressing Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:06:26Both provincial governments took Tehreek-e-Insaf to task quite harshly.
00:06:30Will it be the same in the future? Yes,
00:06:34exactly. If someone
00:06:38creates a law and order situation, then the provincial governments,
00:06:41because they are responsible for law and order, should deal with such people
00:06:45who interfere in maintaining peace
00:06:48and order, according to the law. I don't say
00:06:51that they should be taken to task or how,
00:06:55but they should be dealt with according to the law and rules.
00:06:58Alright, Palwasha Khan Sahiba,
00:07:02differences aside, in the Azad Kashmir elections,
00:07:05PPP and PML-N made strong statements against each other.
00:07:09Today, they seem united against Tehreek-e-Insaf. No, look, there is no
00:07:13alliance. This is a situation.
00:07:17A situation arose in both places, and if
00:07:20there were clashes with the police,
00:07:24that is also a part of protests these days. But anyway, there was no
00:07:28talk of uniting. Our internal differences,
00:07:32whether it's elections or any other matter,
00:07:35they are still there. They have nothing to do
00:07:39with any protest of Tehreek-e-Insaf at this time. So they are standing on their own. Alright, so there was no
00:07:43rhetoric today, anyway. Alright, so Awais Bappy Sahib,
00:07:47what do you think? Tehreek-e-Insaf had called for protests today.
00:07:51How successful were you? And many people ask this question
00:07:55that Tehreek-e-Insaf, despite having a government
00:07:58in one province, is unable to stage a big protest,
00:08:01whereas in Azad Kashmir, people have been protesting
00:08:05for many months. They don't have any government behind them,
00:08:08nothing. They have been at it for so many months,
00:08:12but Tehreek-e-Insaf
00:08:16What is the reason for this?
00:08:20Mir Sahib, one thing is at least confirmed that it has been proven
00:08:24that what Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib had stated that this is a product
00:08:27of Form 47, what Rana Sanaullah Sahib and Khawaja Asif Sahib
00:08:31had stated that if you want to find corruption of billions,
00:08:34you should point towards PPP and said
00:08:36that find it from them, but at least both parties agree
00:08:40that if anyone protests in Punjab,
00:08:44they will be dealt with harshly. They agree on this,
00:08:47that alright, we might be thieves, some might be vote thieves,
00:08:51some might be money thieves, but at least Tehreek-e-Insaf,
00:08:55if it is not allowed,
00:08:59because this is probably against human rights and it is
00:09:02a terrorist organization. As far as Kashmir is concerned,
00:09:06Mir Sahib, the comparison is a bit different. When it comes to Kashmir,
00:09:10perhaps these May 9th incidents are not there yet. We have been treated
00:09:20the way PTI has been treated for three years.
00:09:24This has never happened to any political party in the history of Pakistan.
00:09:27We have been labeled as terrorists,
00:09:31and any kind of excuse me,
00:09:35even today, if we want to hold a rally at Minar-e-Pakistan in Lahore,
00:09:39we cannot get permission, because we are not even a party.
00:09:42We don't have a bat symbol, we are not registered with the Election Commission,
00:09:46and when Imran Khan's name is taken in the Senate and National Assembly,
00:09:50it is also beeped out. So for a party that does not have
00:09:53so much freedom, it is hard to compare.
00:09:57The second thing you said, how was the protest today?
00:10:01I think perhaps there could not have been
00:10:05better protests than this. You see,
00:10:08the way PTI has resisted in three years
00:10:12in this country, where we were not given
00:10:16even a bit of political space by the powers that be.
00:10:20If you look back at history, when PML-N faced hard times,
00:10:24in some form or another,
00:10:32in some way or another, this entire system is facing
00:10:36it. Even now, if the system is fighting and quarreling somewhere,
00:10:40in the form of opposition, they have only one system challenge,
00:10:43and that is Imran Khan. And one last question,
00:10:47Mir Sahib, I ask a question. We have spent three years.
00:10:51Khan Sahib has spent three years in jail. Today's protest was not
00:10:55because he has been kept in solitary confinement for three years.
00:10:58The suffering of solitary confinement, perhaps no ordinary person can explain it.
00:11:02I was watching the wife who was arrested
00:11:06in Vietnam, in Myanmar. I was watching that the UN people
00:11:09went to meet her, human rights people were going to meet her,
00:11:13and the world expressed sorrow that, see, she was kept alone.
00:11:17Alright, I would request Rana Sanaullah Sahib
00:11:20to please tell me,
00:11:22Rana Sahib, if you don't mind, have you ever been in solitary confinement?
00:11:26What is solitary confinement like? Do you have any experience?
00:11:28Yes, exactly. I have been in solitary confinement.
00:11:32I stayed in Camp Jail for almost seven months.
00:11:37government, and apart from my family,
00:11:40that is, my wife, daughter, son,
00:11:45no one could meet me in seven months,
00:11:49and even among them, there used to be a gap
00:11:52of 15-15 days, 20-20 days.
00:11:56So we have tasted all these eras,
00:11:59all these flavors, but we never
00:12:02sat in jail and compromised
00:12:06the institutions or the security of the country,
00:12:09or conspired against it.
00:12:12Alright, the situation
00:12:16that the founder of PTI is facing,
00:12:20also see what he was doing in jail.
00:12:24What kind of things he was doing
00:12:27against the country and against the country's institutions.
00:12:31So on that basis, the ban was imposed,
00:12:35and even now, if they want,
00:12:38the matter can be resolved. Alright,
00:12:41now Palwasha Khan Sahiba, let's talk about new provinces.
00:12:47has very good relations with the People's Party,
00:12:50and Bilawal Sahib and Mohsin Naqvi Sahib as well.
00:12:54He made a very interesting statement. Please listen.
00:12:57Mr. Naqvi is our protégé,
00:13:00but he has matured
00:13:03a bit too soon. Now it is not known
00:13:08in his personal capacity, but how is it possible
00:13:11to make a statement in a personal capacity when he is currently a member
00:13:15of the cabinet? Creating provinces is not a bad thing,
00:13:18except for the fact that it distracts people
00:13:22from the problems and difficulties that the public
00:13:25is facing, and the unrest
00:13:29that is making life difficult. Every day a new issue is raised,
00:13:32and then there is a discussion on it. This has happened many times before.
00:13:36Alright, now my question to you is that the People's Party
00:13:40supports the creation of a South Punjab province and also supports the creation
00:13:45but when MQM says
00:13:47to create provinces in Sindh as well, it opposes it.
00:13:51So what is your policy now? Look, as far as
00:13:55this South Punjab province is concerned, as far as I remember,
00:13:59their assembly passed the resolution, which is the method written in the constitution.
00:14:02So, when a method is prescribed for something,
00:14:05if we try to impose something by bypassing that method
00:14:09on any unit, there is a great danger
00:14:13of chaos, and not only will there be chaos,
00:14:16but then all your enemies who want to ignite a fire
00:14:20in our remaining peaceful provinces
00:14:23will play their part in fueling that fire.
00:14:27Therefore, we need to think that when the people of a province
00:14:30do not want it, how can you sit here and impose
00:14:33your will on that province based on one person's logic,
00:14:36one person's desire, one person's logic,
00:14:39or the logic of a few people who sat together,
00:14:43or a poll being conducted on TV? Do you think these things
00:14:47can replace the will of the people? Alright.
00:14:50Therefore, if they feel that a province should be formed,
00:14:54their assembly passes it. That is the constitutional way.
00:14:57What other way is there? Alright, Awais Bappy Sahib,
00:15:01what do you think? Should new provinces be formed?
00:15:05Look, Mirza, with all due respect, both my colleagues are senior senators.
00:15:08The biggest problem for both these parties in grey areas
00:15:12has always been that they can never speak clearly.
00:15:16If you ask PML-N for their entire narrative, they will say,
00:15:19"Look, a province cannot be formed in Punjab because things are being managed
00:15:23very well here.
00:15:26However, a province can be formed in Sindh because of mismanagement
00:15:29and corruption, and people there are very poor."
00:15:33When you ask the People's Party, they say,
00:15:37"Because a resolution has been passed in Punjab,
00:15:41a South Punjab province can be formed there. However, it is difficult in Sindh because
00:15:44Sindh is our motherland, and this division will happen over our dead bodies."
00:15:48When you ask them about Hazara, both will agree because
00:15:51it's Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Our party, Alhamdulillah,
00:15:55Imran Khan Sahib, if it benefits the public,
00:15:59if having a small administration benefits the people,
00:16:03then I have no objection. Start with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa first.
00:16:06We don't have a problem
00:16:12if you create a separate Hazara province, our government will not fall.
00:16:15Governments, Mir Sahib, are a secondary matter.
00:16:19First, it should be about the welfare and betterment of the people.
00:16:23For us, provinces should be formed in Punjab,
00:16:27Sindh, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan, wherever
00:16:31the formation of provinces benefits the people.
00:16:34So, you can see the narrative of both these political parties
00:16:38regarding division and what their mentality is. It's an old territorial
00:16:41mindset. "We will not allow our division."
00:16:45How can it be that the division of Punjab
00:16:49and our government starts from Attock and ends at Sahiwal?
00:16:53"From Mian Channu to Sadiqabad, how can my territory be excluded?"
00:16:56No, I cannot do this. How can it be that
00:17:00it starts from Hyderabad and our government ends at Ghotki,
00:17:03and Hyderabad-Karachi belongs to someone else? No, we cannot afford this.
00:17:07These people will have to come out of this mentality. People have become very smart.
00:17:11Even today, I talk about Imran Khan Sahib. The biggest claimant for South Punjab
00:17:15is the People's Party. We built a secretariat there
00:17:19for South Punjab in Multan and Bahawalpur. Today, donkeys and horses are tied there.
00:17:22Half of the secretariat is ready. The Additional IG Punjab
00:17:26Lahore has been transferred, the Additional Chief Secretary Lahore has been transferred,
00:17:29or a Deputy Secretary has been made to sit for protocol, because forming a South Punjab province
00:17:33does not suit PML-N at all, and the People's Party makes it a political slogan.
00:17:37So both parties are playing to the gallery. They have no impact, no benefit
00:17:41for the welfare of the people regarding provinces. Alright, but there are differences of opinion on this,
00:17:45but perhaps there will not be a consensus.
00:17:48Although Nawaz Sharif Sahib and Shehbaz Sharif Sahib
00:17:51have also supported Bahawalpur province and South Punjab province
00:17:55in the past, after the suggestion of Mohsin Naqvi Sahib,
00:17:58some members of the federal cabinet have also given statements in his support.
00:18:02Some statements are coming in opposition, and some are coming in support.
00:18:05Let's listen to who gave statements in support.
00:18:09Provinces will be formed, Inshallah, with consensus,
00:18:13in this era. Forming new provinces,
00:18:16it's better to have provinces as administrative units,
00:18:20this is my personal opinion, so that you can effectively
00:18:24improve the governance structure and provide better service delivery
00:18:28to your citizens, to your Pakistanis.
00:18:32The province is also its actual need. In fact, now
00:18:35if the population is 25 crores,
00:18:51all three are from PML-N, so they support new provinces.
00:18:55So what is the official policy of PML-N on this matter?
00:18:59Look, PML-N
00:19:02has not held any meeting on this matter yet
00:19:06to debate it or to form an opinion.
00:19:08And surely, there will be a meeting on this,
00:19:11and PML-N will form its opinion. Before this,
00:19:14PML-N was in government
00:19:18and Mian Shahbaz Sahib was the Chief Minister.
00:19:22As the Law Minister, I myself presented a resolution
00:19:26in which we passed a resolution from the assembly
00:19:29for the creation of a province for Bahawalpur and South Punjab
00:19:33and for the establishment of a National Commission. Similarly,
00:19:36many of our friends have been struggling
00:19:39for a Hazara province for a long time,
00:19:43and their position is that a Hazara province should be formed.
00:19:46Therefore, PML-N is not a victim of any
00:19:50such reservation in this regard.
00:19:53If the proposal that comes forward provides solutions
00:19:56to the common man's problems at his doorstep,
00:20:00then whether it is a local unit,
00:20:04a province, or an empowered
00:20:07local government system, there should be a debate on any such situation,
00:20:11and progress should be made according to what a consensus is reached on.
00:20:15So, Rana, are you saying that if a new province is formed
00:20:18by following the constitutional path for creating a new province,
00:20:22then you have no objection to it? No, Mir Sahib, is there any other
00:20:25way apart from the constitution? People tell
00:20:29other ways apart from the constitution, don't they?
00:20:35There was a seminar in Lahore yesterday. No, who tells
00:20:39them? Listen, who tells them and what way do they tell?
00:20:42Please tell us. Yes,
00:20:46just like Dr. Rehman Sahib says that
00:20:50presidential system should be brought in the country,
00:20:54and another gentleman says that there should be 24 provinces.
00:20:58Another gentleman has written a book on new provinces.
00:21:02He is a businessman from Karachi. He has written a book on it that,
00:21:05sir, if there can be more provinces in India,
00:21:09why can't there be in Pakistan? So that's why I also said
00:21:12the same thing as Palwasha Khan Sahiba, that the procedure
00:21:15will be according to the 1973 constitution, won't it?
00:21:20Yes, you are absolutely right about that. Do you agree with it, Rana Sahib?
00:21:23I just told you that what other way is there besides the constitution?
00:21:27If we follow any other way besides the constitution,
00:21:31then as I told you, two of our provinces
00:21:35are already burning in fire.
00:21:39to ignite a fire in the third province as well? Look, this resolution
00:21:42was passed by the Punjab Assembly, but how many years have passed today?
00:21:46No province has been formed on it. Punjab is still in its original form.
00:21:50But if the people of a province do not want it,
00:21:53this is my question. So can you sit here
00:21:57and impose your will on that province that let's divide you?
00:22:00And they don't want it. They are happy in their own state.
00:22:04Who will determine what the people of which province want?
00:22:08If the assembly of that province - you are seeing
00:22:12surveys being conducted on some TV channels. Today I was watching
00:22:15talks of referendums, surveys.
00:22:19In one survey, it was said that
00:22:2297% of Pakistanis are in favor of new provinces,
00:22:25and the survey was conducted on social media.
00:22:29Alright, if it is 97%, then let them show
00:22:32even 7% of them anywhere in Pakistan.
00:22:36Out of 97, 7%.
00:22:38You and PML-N agree that the way is what is written in the constitution.
00:22:42Then in that way, this is the biggest obstacle
00:22:46in the progress of the people of Pakistan. Every single thing
00:23:06that suits the rulers of the time,
00:23:09they bring up the supremacy of the constitution and say that
00:23:13because it is not written in the constitution, your welfare cannot happen.
00:23:17Someone tell me. in the form of a presidential ordinance,
00:23:50your own party's government implemented it.
00:23:54Before that, PML-N brought it as an act in 2016.
00:23:57You made it a presidential ordinance in 2021,
00:24:01and now the assembly has made it even stricter in 2025.
00:24:05So this is a collective achievement of all of you.
00:24:08So if you want to be scared of PECA, keep being scared.
00:24:12We are not scared, Sahib. We are not scared of it.
00:24:16You be scared. At least the final sin
00:24:19came in favor of this government. My only last question was,
00:24:23which constitution at this time allows you to do all those things
00:24:27that serve you, that strengthen you in the system?
00:24:31That is, you had to transfer judges outside Islamabad,
00:24:34and bring judges from outside. You immediately changed the supremacy of the constitution
00:24:38and the constitution itself. Every single thing
00:24:41in which there will be no supremacy of the people, but their supremacy,
00:24:45will suit them. Otherwise, when it comes to the people,
00:24:49they will bring up the constitution and the law. Now will any MPA of the People's Party
00:24:52who has been elected from the Sindh Assembly on their votes ever say that, sir,
00:24:56I want to vote for division? Look, ask any Sindhi in Sindh.
00:25:00Ask any Punjabi in Punjab. Do the people in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
00:25:03want that?
00:25:07Rana Sahib is asking you something. Mir Sahib, one minute.
00:25:11Rana Sahib is asking you something. When the person from Ghotki goes to Karachi,
00:25:15he will feel pain, but because their mind does not accept it,
00:25:18Rana Sahib, what were you asking?
00:25:21Rana Sahib, what were you asking? I said that if Bappy Sahib
00:25:24talks like this, then hundreds of things can be listed
00:25:28that they have also done by disregarding the constitution,
00:25:32but let him say whether he has
00:25:35any other method in mind besides the procedure for the establishment
00:25:38of provinces mentioned in the constitution.
00:25:42Let's discuss that. Yes, I'll take a break here.
00:25:45We'll meet again after the break.
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