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00:00:15each other's interests.
00:00:22we do
00:00:30The Prime Minister will visit Saudi Arabia. He will meet with Saudi Waleed to discuss the
00:00:33regional situation and strengthening bilateral partnership. will be
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00:00:42Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi says that there are indications
00:00:46that the US is ready to act on its promises again. The issue of the toll in the Strait of Hormuz
00:00:50will depend on Iranian decisions and American behavior. The agreement for a new arrangement between Iran
00:00:54and Oman on the Strait of Hormuz is nearing its final stage.
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00:01:32also need provinces, so we have said
00:01:41that you
00:02:46That's why people also have some compulsions
00:03:17The conspiracy failed.
00:03:19But primarily, we have said Now the of a traditional funeral. It's a public is ready for the marathon.
00:03:22The marathon
00:03:25that parties are accusing each other run is about to begin, God willing.
00:03:32On August 7, at 4 pm, the entire
00:03:35the increase in petroleum products is so Pakistan will be on the streets against the petroleum levy and against this economic
00:03:38terrorism. In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:03:42Welcome to Capital Talk. Pakistan
00:03:45Tehreek-e-Insaf has once again announced
00:03:48a long march. But the
00:03:52date given is quite a few days later. They have announced
00:03:56a long march on September 27. Yesterday, there was a rally in Peshawar.
00:04:00The rally
00:04:02Who should conduct the dialogue? On what terms should the dialogue was attended by the Chairman of Tehreek-e-Insaf, Barrister Gohar Khan
00:04:05Sahib, Chief Minister Sohail Afridi Sahib, and
00:04:08the leadership of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf appeared united on one stage
00:04:12after a long time, and there was a very large crowd
00:04:16force that we must first in front of them,
00:04:19The IMF tells you many other things, and they announced a long march on September 27. In what words did they do it?
00:04:21Listen. That leader who is in Adiala Jail
00:04:25always used to say that
00:04:28This is something my youth, my youth.
00:04:44On September 27, they will turn towards Islam.
00:04:47What is the reaction of Imran Khan's sister, Alia Khan
00:04:51Sahiba, to this? Please listen to that as well. The date of September 27
00:04:54was given. What will Imran Khan say at that time?
00:04:57Wait.
00:05:12And he was asked if he was discussed, he said, "No, we don't discuss." So perhaps he thinks that
00:05:16September 27 is a very far-off date.
00:05:20Anyway, whatever the matters are, if there is a long march on September 27,
00:05:24it will be towards D-Chowk in Islamabad or towards Adiala Jail.
00:05:28There are many questions. To discuss this, today we have with us the Chairman of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
00:05:32Mr. Barrister Gohar Khan Sahib. Thank you very much, Barrister Sahib.
00:05:35First of all, the impression emerging from Alia Khan
00:05:39Sahiba's conversation is that September 27 is
00:05:42a very far-off date. So why was the date of September 27
00:05:46chosen? Mr. Amir, the
00:05:49fact is that for us,
00:05:52which date it is, we are not so concerned about the
00:05:56reasons why we announced it and why we announced it on the
00:06:0027th. We announced it on the 27th because we wanted
00:06:03to prepare for it. We also needed to mobilize people,
00:06:07and some arrangements were also needed. But obviously, we never
00:06:11met Alia Khan Sahiba or
00:06:24understand that Khan Sahib is unjustly imprisoned, it is politically motivated, and in the same way,
00:06:27Bushra Bibi is also unjustly imprisoned, and all these are politically
00:06:31motivated cases, and not a single one of us wants Khan Sahib
00:06:35to remain in jail for even a day, so she is talking in that context that
00:06:39Khan Sahib should be released even yesterday or the day before.
00:07:12I am not just talking about PTI, but for any political party, giving this call to the public
00:07:16to come out for their demands and for their rights, to adopt a path
00:07:20and go towards a long march, this is a very tough
00:07:23and serious matter. You don't call for a long march on every
00:07:26issue, and this is the first time
00:07:30since November 2024 that
00:07:34and we have considered its pros and cons
00:07:37extensively. We were left with nothing. We were left with no option but to
00:07:41go for it. And the reason for this is that Hameed Mir Sahib, forget the previous
00:07:45things, that our seats were also gone, our mandate was also stolen,
00:07:48and our leadership was also convicted. Today, it's almost a year since Omar Ayub Khan Sahib and our
00:07:52other leaders were convicted. They were convicted on July 31, and on August 6,
00:07:56Omar Sahib was de-notified
00:07:59as the leader of the opposition from the National Assembly. We tolerated all this.
00:08:03Now it's been 295 days since we haven't met Khan Sahib.
00:08:07Doctors don't have access, no communication with children, no family access.
00:08:10No. The leadership has not met since February 2025.
00:08:14No meetings with the leadership are taking place. What have
00:08:18we done after all? This is his right. Forget his status as a big
00:08:21leader, forget his status as prime minister. There are court orders, an order from three judges,
00:08:25according to the rules, according to the SOP.
00:08:29The order that is in our favor is not implemented. We went to the courts
00:08:3225 times to the High Court, 15 times to the Supreme Court
00:08:36in Islamabad. We raised our voice in the assembly, requested the Prime Minister, requested the Speaker
00:08:40Sahib, the influential circles, the way we could deliver the
00:08:44message, we delivered the message. But every single
00:08:47time it was ignored, and no action was taken on it.
00:08:51We kept saying this, despite our people being shot, martyred,
00:08:54injured. We said, "Dialogue." Then later,
00:08:58a committee was also formed, then nothing happened. But today, Amir Dogar Sahib
00:09:02had a meeting today. Mirza, look,
00:09:06there should be a political solution to political problems,
00:09:09but where should the discussion take place? What should the dialogue be about?
00:09:14take place? What is
00:09:18needed for this is serious and sincere efforts.
00:09:21That didn't happen. And when 2025
00:09:24came, we said with full
00:09:28stand with Pakistan, with the state.
00:09:31But when the leadership came from outside Pakistan, we welcomed them
00:09:35and all our matters were discussed. Amir Dogar Sahib met with the Speaker of the National Assembly.
00:09:39So, is there any chance that talks between PTI and the government
00:09:43can resume? Look, the government doesn't
00:09:46take concrete steps. It's just limited to a meeting, and I would
00:09:50say that who should we negotiate with?
00:09:54On what terms? When? Who has this authority?
00:09:57It would have been better if the government had made serious efforts
00:10:00on this. We haven't seen that till today. It's just
00:10:04an offer. Otherwise, the Prime Minister didn't even shake hands
00:10:08with Achakzai Sahib. Achakzai Sahib himself walked towards him, but
00:10:11the government's stance still hasn't changed towards us. So that's why we had no other
00:10:15option but to tell the nation that if we hadn't
00:10:19done it, the nation would have gone on its own, because by and large,
00:10:22Mirza, the whole world believes that if Pakistan has
00:10:2670 percent of the people, then they are followers of Khan Sahib, followers.
00:10:30A lot of effort was made, this is true. You are
00:10:33right. But if the government is not
00:10:37facilitating you, not talking to you, perhaps the reason is that you announce rallies
00:10:41but cannot hold them. Just yesterday, you held a rally in Peshawar after a long time.
00:10:45Then there are many internal differences in your party. Alia Khan
00:10:48Sahiba says something, the party says something else.
00:10:52Is the government not benefiting from all these things? Look, some things have happened,
00:10:56but by and large, if you look at it, this was our tenth
00:11:00rally. We have held 10 rallies and we also brought out rallies and
00:11:03protests and everything, and the way Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has
00:11:07mobilized people by and large, especially yesterday, the way people came out
00:11:11all over Pakistan and protested against Khan Sahib's three years
00:11:15of unjust imprisonment and oppression, I commend them greatly and
00:11:18salute them for raising their voices for themselves. So this is
00:11:22one thing, but we don't have any forward bloc. All the people are united
00:11:26for Khan Sahib. You also saw yesterday that there is one thing
00:11:29in the entire leadership. Khan Sahib and Bushra Bibi, no compromise.
00:11:33We don't want, Amir Sahib, that things should be turned upside down.
00:11:37We tried hard to bring change within the system.
00:11:41That someone should listen to our voice. That there should be a
00:11:44redressal for our grievances. That's why Khan Sahib
00:11:47also repeatedly said that we tried hard, but no one addressed
00:11:51it, nor did anyone take it seriously. But I rather think
00:11:55that all our efforts were considered a weakness, just as you also said
00:11:59that we could not mobilize people and bring them to Islamabad. We brought many people after mobilizing them,
00:12:02but in the civilized world, where is it
00:12:06shoot people? You shell people.
00:12:10The way people were dealt with in D-Chowk, this was not
00:12:14anywhere. You also saw in India that the Congress party people
00:12:17came. They mobilized how many people? They put forward their demands,
00:12:21and there was no lathi charge on them. But whatever the police said,
00:12:25the Supreme Court said to preserve everything on CCTV.
00:12:28This is my question to you. This is my question to you, that Azad
00:12:32Kashmir is a small area. For many weeks, people
00:12:35have been sitting there, protesting at three or four places. There is no political
00:12:39party behind them. You referred to the Congress party.
00:12:43People were mobilized, and the government
00:12:47accepted the people's demands. So if you
00:12:50claim so much popularity,
00:12:54are with Imran Khan, then why can't you gather 50,000, 60,000, one hundred thousand people?
00:12:58Look, we can gather people. We can call them
00:13:01to the party if you see the rallies, etc. But people have seen,
00:13:05Mir Sahib, this time the political atmosphere is not like it used to be.
00:13:11that if they come, they can't face bullets. Nor do we have any
00:13:14guerrilla force. We have ordinary
00:13:17Pakistanis. People from all walks of life are with us. There are women
00:13:21and children and old people. There is no such political party
00:13:25that has such a cadre in all the provinces of Pakistan as
00:13:29we have. At this time, we have representation in all four provinces, and a lot of
00:13:33representation. But why did you boycott the elections in Azad Kashmir? Because
00:13:36people did not want elections in Azad Kashmir. We were saying that first of all,
00:13:40an election atmosphere should be created in Azad Kashmir.
00:13:44An election atmosphere is created then. Look, this is the reason that these two
00:13:49of stealing the election. The truth is,
00:13:53Mir Sahib, that the list there.
00:14:25The second one, where there are 700 votes, 10-10 votes have been pooled. So
00:14:29they themselves have no mandate for themselves, and elections are not held like this.
00:14:33Secondly, what kind of election did you hold in Azad Kashmir? It has almost
00:14:37the same population as Islamabad. It's a small place. You divided
00:14:40it into three portions. First, elections for 13 seats, then
00:14:44for 10-11 seats, then for nine seats. A village council election is never
00:14:48held like this, the way you made it so critical. And especially
00:14:52when a minister comes and makes an irresponsible statement,
00:14:55one says this is not Pakistani, and the other
00:14:59sahib says that his 12 seats are in our pocket. So if you had 12 seats in your pocket,
00:15:03it means you didn't want elections at all. Yesterday, in the speech
00:15:07you gave at the Peshawar rally, you also mentioned, and some other
00:15:11speakers also mentioned, the recent statement of Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi
00:15:14Sahib. So you people think that
00:15:18Mohsin Naqvi's statement is actually a charge sheet against his own government.
00:15:21So after this statement, do you think
00:15:25that the People's Party is also very unhappy with the Muslim League-N?
00:15:29So can you and the People's Party
00:15:32together bring a no-confidence motion? Sahib, this
00:15:36statement is true. The government did not have any mandate
00:15:40from day one, and they had not gained the trust of the people.
00:15:44But after this statement, they have obviously lost
00:15:48everything. But Pakistan People's Party and PML protect
00:15:52Don't blame them. It doesn't work like that. You take a principled
00:15:56stand and stick to it. Then
00:15:59that what is in them. However, there are some things,
00:16:03as it has come about the provinces, a discussion has started. So
00:16:16this is that the amendments you made earlier, the 26th and 27th amendments, they were also not right.
00:16:20But if you have to do something about the provinces, then Amir Sahib, the biggest
00:16:24thing is that the Noon and the People's Party, these two will oppose
00:16:28it the most because all their dominance and occupation will
00:16:31end. One has been occupying Sindh and the other has been occupying Punjab.
00:16:35The people of Punjab also, who
00:17:09that these are such sensitive issues that they require
00:17:13a larger consensus. First thing is this, and if we
00:17:17have to do something, then one is that if you are changing the boundaries of a province, then you need
00:17:20a two-thirds majority of that province also. Even if Hazara province
00:17:24is formed in KPK, it will still be with a two-thirds majority, and if Punjab is
00:17:28divided further, then it will also be with a two-thirds majority. We, if
00:17:31we do something, we will not do it without consulting Khan Sahib. If our access
00:17:35etc. is restored and we start talking to him, then we will see
00:17:39what the situation becomes. So the meeting with Imran Khan Sahib
00:17:42is not happening. It's been
00:17:45quite a long time. It's been 295 days
00:17:49that we haven't met. So if you meet
00:17:53after 300 days, you will discuss many things
00:17:56with Khan Sahib. You will also discuss the matter of new provinces. Look,
00:18:00we will discuss all the things, the things of the biggest party. We are concerned about his
00:18:04health. We will discuss all the things.
00:18:37that you also need the majority of the provinces, and even otherwise,
00:18:41beyond constitutional boundaries, this is a public and political
00:18:45issue, and it is very sensitive. It is important for everyone to be on board
00:18:49on this. As far as PTI's stance is concerned, we will give our stance only when
00:18:53we meet Khan Sahib, if such a thing happens.
00:18:56that this kind of legislation and
00:19:00amendment should not be done by a parliament.
00:19:04Well, there is one statement of Mohsin Naqvi Sahib on which you people expressed
00:19:08your views in the rally yesterday. After that, he gave another statement. What did he say in that?
00:19:12Please listen to that as well. People have a great desire and will
00:19:15continue to have it that somehow my relationship with him gets ruined.
00:19:18But the future of the government
00:19:22will definitely complete five years. Shehbaz Sahib will remain Prime Minister for five years,
00:19:25no matter what they do. Take out whatever you want from the statement,
00:19:29do everything, but God willing, the Prime Minister will complete
00:19:33his term of five years. So Mohsin Naqvi Sahib said that no matter
00:19:37what anyone does, Shehbaz Sharif Sahib will complete
00:19:40five years. Now what do you say? I don't think even Shehbaz Sharif Sahib thinks
00:19:44that he will complete five years. Well, he said this for that, I think
00:19:47he doesn't think so either. And when you lose public
00:19:51support, which they never had, I find it very difficult,
00:19:55and why do I find it difficult? It seems almost impossible
00:19:59to me. Why does it seem impossible to me? Look, Mir Sahib, look at the situation right now.
00:20:02Since the regime change, if anyone had even one percent
00:20:06of regard, they would have come forward themselves,
00:20:09with the Prime Minister of Britain, and said,
00:20:12Mir Sahib, your economy has gone into negative.
00:20:16Poverty is below 40 percent. School system is bad, health
00:20:20system is bad, law and order situation is bad.
00:20:23Your entire law and order situation four years ago was not like today's
00:20:27situation, whether you take
00:20:30KPK or Balochistan. Whereas we have always said that against
00:20:34terrorism, everyone should fight with one voice. But they don't have the capacity. They
00:20:38could not deliver. They received all kinds of support, but despite
00:20:41that support, they could not deliver. They could not take
00:20:45any such step that an ordinary Pakistani
00:20:48would feel that they got some relief. And most importantly, they made two amendments. They brought judges.
00:20:52Amir Sahib, before the 26th amendment, there were only 90
00:20:56judges in the High Courts, and after the 26th amendment, they appointed
00:20:59an additional 93 judges. But people's trust in the judiciary
00:21:03has ended. Justice has been denied.
00:21:06That's why the three organs that used to exist, those three organs
00:21:10have practically become one organ, and these people have also put the media in dormant mode
00:21:14because there is the PICA Act or some other things. These people are probably counting
00:21:17their days in power.
00:21:20Okay, finally, tell us that we have seen that the various
00:21:24opposition parties, when they have to protest, each party announces a separate protest.
00:21:27They have identified locations where they will block roads.
00:21:31Jamaat-e-Islami has made such a big announcement. Will you support Jamaat-e-Islami?
00:21:35Mirza, there is one thing in Pakistan. This is
00:21:39against inflation, but even if our stance is against
00:21:42Israel, if they unite for Palestine, then all the people, as you saw
00:21:46in Europe, all the people come out together in one place.
00:21:49It's a public gathering. Our different parties do it according
00:21:53to their own ways. Hafiz Naeem Sahib has put forward a very good idea,
00:21:57and it's a good thing, and it should be supported. But our wish
00:22:01is that it should not be just party-based, but there should also be meetings of a joint
00:22:04opposition, and they should also be related to public
00:22:08issues like inflation. Is there any hope of a grand
00:22:12joint opposition being formed?
00:22:15There should be, and this is the time to do it.
00:22:19There should be a joint one that focuses
00:22:21on public interest matters
00:22:24on a minimum agenda. But Barrister Gohar Sahib,
00:22:28we see that the Tehreek-e-Tahafuz-e-Ain that you have formed,
00:22:32it has one line, and Tehreek-e-Insaf
00:22:35is following another line. No, some of our demands are such that, for example, for the fifth,
00:22:39we are also a party and we are a part of that alliance, but there are some things
00:22:43minimum, for instance, we say give relief to the public, reduce these prices,
00:22:47reduce petroleum prices amidst inflation.
00:28:52Welcome to Capital Talk. Hafiz Naeem-ur-Rehman, the Amir of Jamaat-e-Islami,
00:28:56has announced on August 7,
00:28:59i.e., yesterday, to block roads across Pakistan.
00:29:02So what is the reason for this announcement? What are
00:29:06its objectives? Let's talk to him about it. Thank you very much, Hafiz Naeem-ur-Rehman
00:29:09Sahib. Would you like to tell us why you announced
00:29:13that you will block roads across Pakistan?
00:29:17And for what reason are you blocking roads?
00:29:20Is Jamaat-e-Islami capable of blocking roads across Pakistan?
00:29:24Look, the fundamental issue right now is
00:29:28there is extreme inflation, and a very big reason for this is now
00:29:31petroleum products, and
00:29:37high that its effect is being felt on everything in life. Just three
00:29:41days ago, there was a report that 27 more items have become expensive due to the increase in petroleum
00:29:44prices. Now, these petroleum products, the government says
00:29:47that, sir, since there was a war, we increased prices because of the war.
00:29:51Okay, you increased prices because of the war, but what is the connection of this levy
00:29:54with those prices, this extortion tax and protection money that they have to collect
00:29:58from us? And 1900 billion rupees they are taking from students,
00:30:02from common people, from laborers, farmers, whose income is not taxable,
00:30:06they are paying so much money in the form of petroleum levy.
00:30:10They also impose it on diesel, which makes public transport and goods transfer
00:30:13all difficult. They are not ready to accept it.
00:30:17They say there is pressure from the IMF.
00:30:21like reduce your luxuries, reduce your expenses. You don't do that. A CM sahib
00:30:25bought a plane worth 11 billion rupees. A Chairman Senate bought a car worth 90 million.
00:30:30that the public