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00:00:00Police
00:00:03officers were martyred in dozens, so
00:00:07on the other hand, thousands of police personnel are also
00:00:10making sacrifices. So, let's continue the conversation with our
00:00:14guests. Ehsan, this
00:00:18power and strength of TTP, obviously,
00:00:21after APS, when major operations were launched, after
00:00:25that, for some time, we saw that TTP had almost
00:00:29disappeared from the scene. How did TTP
00:00:32get this new birth? This happened in 2018 when Mullah
00:00:35Fazlullah was killed by an American drone in Kunar, Afghanistan. So, at that
00:00:39time, after that, Noor Ali Mehsud who was there. Who were
00:00:43targets Noor Ali Mehsud. the founding fathers, you can say that TTP, at that time, Mehsud Baitullah was in charge,
00:00:47Mehsud Taliban, so he was with Baitullah Mehsud at that time.
00:00:50So, he became their Emir.
00:00:52or alarming for me, is And so, as soon as he came, the first thing he started
00:00:56doing was to bring back those people or groups who had left them.
00:01:00And he brought them back in large numbers and then,
00:01:03after
00:01:06Hakeemullah Mehsud's death, Noor Ali
00:01:10Mehsud is more educated and a great strategist, and also qualified.
00:01:13That is, ideologically, he is a Mufti and a strategist. This
00:01:17entire operational strategy or the mixture
00:01:21he has created of nationalism and jihad, that
00:01:24often, if you read their literature, it's not just purely about jihad.
00:01:28They say that Pashtuns are being wronged, Pashtuns should rise up
00:01:31just like Baloch are fighting. So, Pashtuns should join
00:01:35us, that is, join us and pick up arms. Nothing happens from these gatherings.
00:01:39He is also very famous for jirgas,
00:01:43And
00:01:46the federal government is alleging another thing is that he is also senior.
00:01:48In the ranks of TTP, if you look, there is Maulvi Azmatullah
00:01:52Mehsud, there are two or three others, Faqir Muhammad
00:01:54is there, so because of that, he has a lot of respect there. And another big
00:01:58achievement of his is that he made
00:02:01So, this is our condition, a very close relationship with the Afghan Taliban. That is, during Hakeemullah
00:02:04Mehsud's time, when we used to report, it was known that
00:02:08he did not get along with the Afghan Taliban in the last two times. Even with Al-Qaeda,
00:02:11he had tensions. Hakeemullah Mehsud did not listen to anyone much,
00:02:15but he has also brought the Afghan Taliban
00:02:18quite close to him, and because of that,
00:02:22the Afghan Taliban are completely
00:02:24when they use quadcopters, supporting him, and they are so ready that Pakistan is regularly launching attacks there,
00:02:28but they are still not abandoning TTP. So, this is his,
00:02:32that is, he should get credit for this. Secondly,
00:02:36a new development that you mentioned about the presence of TTP
00:02:39in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, that we are seeing in Bannu, and my conversations with local
00:02:43people, I talked to them even while coming here, so a new development had happened
00:02:47there in the name of the Police Peace Committee. So,
00:02:50since they started operations, the local police there,
00:02:54it's been almost a month that attacks in Bannu are almost
00:02:57non-existent. Although, the most attacks that have happened are large-scale
00:03:02So, the point is attacks, targeted killings, IEDs, etc., they happened in Bannu.
00:03:05That is, only the Bannu Cantonment, it was attacked multiple times, in which five, six,
00:03:09seven suicide bombers entered together. So, those things have reduced significantly.
00:03:13When we talk to the local people, they want
00:03:16peace here, no matter how. So, they are supporting the police
00:03:20now, and the police are also getting ground intelligence. The Police Peace Committee, and
00:03:24that thing is also proving effective on the ground.
00:03:28So, if this is the situation, So, I think we are seeing a new model regarding militancy in South Khyber
00:03:32Pakhtunkhwa, that area which used to be a stronghold, now we are
00:03:35seeing that the intensity, the number
00:03:40leadership says that we have of people has decreased significantly. Ismael Khan, the situation in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
00:03:46to fight them. Although, you remember in its deterioration or the resurgence of TTP, is there any
00:03:48role of the Taliban coming to power in Afghanistan?
00:03:52This is a very big
00:03:55factor. Let me tell you that if I
00:03:58have
00:04:02and all the people inside are martyred.
00:04:41is becoming its target,
00:05:00how easy it is to do, how they operate. Logistically, they have
00:05:03weapons. You are right, what he
00:05:06said and
00:05:08if there is governance, they fix it in 100 days. the statistics you mentioned, we can talk about that.
00:06:13And in this, we have had
00:06:16almost 82 martyrs,
00:06:19and besides that,
00:06:22there has been quite almost, you can say,
00:06:25a double increase in the attacks, in the helicopter attacks
00:06:29of the Taliban, in the helicopter attacks. Okay, what is the issue?
00:06:32The issue is that this is a separate debate, and I think it should be discussed
00:06:36that our political government here,
00:06:40the PTI government,
00:06:42they say that all drone attacks
00:06:46should be stopped, and they have also run a big campaign
00:06:50against them. When Imran Khan was not in power,
00:06:54since then, he has made a big push. I remember,
00:06:58he even held a sit-in against drone attacks at that time.
00:07:02American drone attacks used to happen. Okay, now
00:07:05they say that whenever a drone attack happens,
00:07:08and suspected drone attacks where civilian casualties
00:07:12occur, they say that
00:07:14our security forces did it. But the
00:07:17attacks,
00:07:20the helicopter attacks that happen, in which the Taliban
00:07:23themselves admit that they carried out so many attacks,
00:07:26in which there are police casualties,
00:07:30there are also casualties of our law enforcement. There are about 50-52
00:07:33civilians in this one year alone. When Sohail Afridi
00:07:37Sahib, who
00:07:40came in mid-October 2025, and until now. He says that drone attacks
00:07:43should be stopped. So, if this demand is being made on one side, it should also be made on the other side
00:07:47that drone attacks should not happen at all, but attacks
00:07:50are happening. When you build a one-sided
00:07:54narrative that it is happening from here and not from there,
00:07:58now the figures I have, in that the 52 civilian casualties are
00:08:01those in which the Taliban's helicopter
00:08:05attacks happened. Then I told you that there are also police, and other law enforcement
00:08:09casualties are also included in that.
00:08:15that not only has their network expanded, as Teepo said,
00:08:18but also another thing,
00:08:22one is the TTP's very big
00:08:25factor, but the way
00:08:28Hafiz Gul Bahadur's group expanded, then they made their
00:08:32alliances, the way it branched out. Before that, it was a very
00:08:36limited area for them in North Waziristan. It used to operate in that,
00:08:40but then after that, the way it expanded its network,
00:09:12we talk a lot about the National Action Plan. I think there is a big difference
00:09:16between the National Action Plan and counter-terror or
00:09:20counter-insurgency, whatever you call it. Both are
00:09:24very different. One is a long-term thing, like you
00:09:27have to de-radicalize,
00:09:31eliminate extremism, eliminate other root causes.
00:09:34That is a long-term plan. Our politicians also,
00:09:38when they get together, they say that action is not happening in NAB, so because
00:09:42of that,
00:10:21Whatever happens, they say that in 100 days we will fix it for you.
00:11:36What will they do? How will it end? After that, things become silent. So, I think they have
00:11:40oversimplified many things and presented
00:11:43a formula, saying that this will happen, and that will happen.
00:11:47I think this should be discussed. Okay,
00:11:51Arshad Aziz Malik Sahib, Ismael Khan Sahib mentioned
00:11:55that at this time, the militants
00:11:58have a lot of American weapons in their hands.
00:12:01They also have weapons like quadcopters,
00:12:05laser guns. In response,
00:12:11that Khyber Pakhtunkhwa police was not equipped
00:12:15in the way it should have been. How much
00:12:18truth is there in the federal government's allegation,
00:12:22and what is the capacity of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
00:12:25police against those people?
00:12:28Safi Sahib, first of all, I would say
00:12:30that this war on terror did not start today.
00:12:34The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf government has been in power for the last 13
00:12:37years. They know that these are the challenges, so we should have
00:12:40equipped our police well. I completely agree
00:12:44with your point that when they use lasers,
00:12:49when they use drones, we don't have a counter to that.
00:12:53That is, they were attacking with drones, and we
00:12:57didn't even have anti-drone guns. So, we are quite
00:13:00behind them. They are quite ahead. Now, if
00:13:04we look at this allegation,
00:13:08I asked the police today, I said,
00:13:11"What was your demand in the budget
00:13:14that came out for 2026-27?" So, they said that with great difficulty,
00:13:18they said, "Sir, please tell us the minimum budget."
00:13:21So, we said
00:13:25that we need
00:13:2833 billion rupees for reforms.
00:13:31Then there is also an operational budget.
00:13:34So, you know that they cut it and approved 17 billion
00:13:38in total, saying that you have to get everything
00:13:41in 17 billion. You have to buy bulletproof cars, weapons, whatever you want to do, do it.
00:13:45Okay, then I asked them, "It's the fourth month now, so how much money has been received?"
00:13:49So, they say, "Not a single penny has been received."
00:13:53that July has passed,
00:13:55August has also passed, September has also passed, October has come, and you
00:13:58have not released a single rupee. That is, you made 33 into 17,
00:14:02but then you have not released it from the budget yet. Then they said, "There is an operational budget
00:14:06of 14 billion rupees. Not a single rupee
00:14:10of that has been released yet." Then the infrastructure,
00:14:13Safi Sahib, there are buildings of police stations
00:14:17and outposts, especially in the South and
00:14:20merged areas, that they will fall with the wind. So, when a car comes
00:14:24and hits them, the entire building collapses
00:14:27For this, they said that they need 60 crore rupees
00:14:31so that they can strengthen them, make their walls bulletproof,
00:14:35put up fences in front of them. They say that they have not received
00:14:38money for that yet, and only 16 crore has been released out of
00:14:4260 crore. So, this is our condition. We have
00:14:45135,000 police personnel here.
00:14:49Our total capacity here is
00:14:52135,000 sanctioned posts. It is now being said
00:14:56that there is a shortage of 15,000. Okay, if there is a shortage of 15,000, then
00:15:00recruit them. Okay, they are not even recruiting them.
00:15:03Then, along with that, these are approximately
00:15:0714,000, 13,500 slightly more police
00:15:11personnel who are deployed for the security of our bureaucrats, our politicians,
00:15:14our judges. So, you see, when you lose
00:15:1815,000, 15,000 will provide good security duty. Okay,
00:15:22then the provincial government says that we have
00:15:32the major portion of it is all salaries.
00:15:35That is, every year, when the salary increases by 15%,
00:15:39your salary budget automatically increases by two, three, four billion.
00:15:43Then pensions also come into that. Then your other expenses,
00:15:47petrol has gone to a very high price. So, actually,
00:15:51neither CTD has been strengthened. If
00:15:55this was your condition last year that 175 personnel were martyred,
00:15:58this year, so far, 230 personnel have been martyred.
00:16:01There are still three months left. So, shouldn't the police have been
00:16:05organized? Last year, the police asked for 50 billion.
00:16:09They reluctantly gave them 15-20 billion rupees. Some federal government gave it.
00:16:13This way, it will not work that you run the police on an ad-hoc basis, that you keep
00:16:17getting martyred. Now, look, you leave your police personnel
00:16:20in such places where they don't have
00:16:24any modern technology, and they cannot protect
00:16:27themselves there. And when they are attacked, they don't
00:16:31have cars, bulletproof cars, to go there. About six, eight months ago,
00:16:35I asked the IG Sahib how many bulletproof cars there are. He said there is only one
00:16:39with him. Now, imagine in such a province
00:16:42where there are no bulletproof cars. Okay,
00:16:46now CTD has a total of 17 cars.
00:16:50Tell me, will they conduct operations or will our other police personnel
00:16:54go somewhere? If you don't have a car, when firing happens,
00:16:58they get martyred. So, for IEDs, they didn't have jammers.
00:17:01So, the need was
00:17:05that if you cannot fulfill your requirements, then ask the federal government.
00:17:08Let me tell you that last year it happened that the federal government gave
00:17:1214 billion rupees in AIP, which is a fund related
00:17:16to our FATA. You can work in FATA with that.
00:17:20A press release was issued in which the IG Sahib thanked
00:17:23the federal government. You know, the CM Sahib
00:17:27was so angry about it. He reprimanded the IG Sahib
00:17:31for thanking the federal government. So, he said
00:17:35that since they gave money, he thanked them.
00:17:38that we cannot tolerate if we take something for the police
00:17:42from the federal government. They sent three cars.
00:17:45They were told that they were old cars, so send them
00:17:49back. So, our attitude, our way
00:17:53of talking has become such that we cannot
00:17:56tolerate it. It gets noticed on social media. So, whatever comes to mind, they say it.
00:18:00So, my own
00:18:04the TTP Swat chapter, when negotiations were happening,
00:18:08General Faiz and company were told that you always come
00:18:11here for negotiations, so give us a chance too. Our relatives
00:18:15are there. We will meet them. And to meet them,
00:18:19those people came, including the peacekeepers. They came here. Then a famous
00:18:22battle also happened, in which they attacked security forces. Their families
00:18:26were also with them. My information is that those male militants
00:18:29came more. And no, how many were they?
00:18:32That is, around 300-400.
00:18:36Okay, such people came. It's not just Swat, some other people from Malakand
00:18:39Division also
00:18:42came, and some such people in Waziristan also came to meet their families
00:18:46for weddings and funerals. It's been a long time,
00:18:50years have passed. So, this is a tradition, so we should be given a chance. And at that time,
00:18:54a ceasefire was also in effect from TTP's side for a month,
00:18:58then for three months, and from the Pakistani government's side
00:19:01also. So, those things started during PTI's time,
00:19:05and the architect was General Faiz Sahib. And General Faiz Sahib
00:19:09was not doing it in isolation, that he was just an individual.
00:19:12So, our institutions also had their full support. Bajwa Sahib was the Army Chief
00:19:15at that time. When he became the Corps Commander, he continued those things.
00:19:19He had a very close relationship with the Haqqanis. And
00:19:23when we talk to TTP people, they often say that
00:19:26yes, we used to meet them too. When they came to Afghanistan, I think they mention
00:19:30Khost. Later, those things completely ended.
00:19:34But the thing was that these things started during PTI's time. But here, when
00:19:38the PDM government came, in the three meetings of the National Security Committee,
00:19:42all the political parties, as Ismael Khan Sahib also mentioned,
00:19:45their heads were there. So, they got endorsement that yes,
00:19:49this process should be continued. So,
00:19:52this was it. Secondly, I want to add one thing regarding the police.
00:19:56We misunderstand the police. The police are never
00:20:00trained to fight a very well-organized, well-trained, highly
00:20:03radicalized insurgency or militancy or
00:20:06terrorists, if you call them. That is, in Afghanistan, the NATO
00:20:10forces, American forces, could not fight the Taliban.
00:20:14So, how will the poor police here fight them? Secondly, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa's
00:20:18border is not like America, which came from across the sea. Our police
00:20:21are from our own country. No, I am saying that there was also Ashraf Ghani's
00:20:25very well-trained army there, very well-equipped. NATO itself had trained them.
00:20:29Their special forces were trained by Americans and others.
00:20:32But they also could not fight. So, the police here,
00:20:36their training is not for this. Their investigation
00:20:40is their job. Civil law enforcement and crime control.
00:20:43At this time, okay, Daesh Khorasan, for example, Maulana
00:20:46Idrees Sahib was martyred. The responsibility for this
00:21:04and openly, the Afghan Taliban, who suffered the most losses since they came to power,
00:21:08were inflicted by Daesh Khorasan. Khalil Haqqani, their Refugee
00:21:11Minister, their Governor of Herat, the Police Chief of Badakhshan, many of their
00:21:15people were killed by them. And even now, when we talk to the Afghan Taliban, the most
00:21:18who blame themselves are from Daesh Khorasan.
00:21:22And secondly, they also target TTP, especially
00:21:26Noor Ali Mehsud, a lot. Now, in their recent literature,
00:21:30Daesh Khorasan directly
00:21:33No, I am understanding their presence in this region. Their presence
00:21:37is there. Now, the most interesting thing that I want to add,
00:21:42that Daesh Khorasan operates in pockets. They have
00:21:46sleeper cells. Sometimes, there will be two or three people. Their presence
00:21:50is in Bajaur, but that area where the Salafi
00:21:54school of thought is, their presence is there. Burkh
00:21:57Amberkhail, the Khyber area, also has such people. But
00:22:01South Waziristan, which is now called Lower Waziristan, the Wana
00:22:05area, there are continuous attacks from their side, which is completely the stronghold
00:22:09of Deoband, where Salafism is almost non-existent, rather it is
00:22:12not there at all. So, the continuous attacks happening there, senior people of JUI are being killed,
00:22:15local peace committee members are being killed. Okay.
00:22:19Okay.
00:22:42After control, it moves to other districts.
00:22:46And in Punjab or there.
00:22:50Their activities are almost non-existent. So,
00:22:53is this TTP's strategy? Has there been a change
00:22:57in it that they will move forward step by step,
00:23:00or can they not carry out
00:23:04operations in Punjab and other places?
00:23:05Safi Sahib,
00:23:08I would say that they have the ability
00:23:11to carry out operations throughout Pakistan. They can happen. They even did it in Karachi,
00:23:15if you remember. Then in Pindi, you can see in Islamabad.
00:23:19Okay, yes,
00:23:24in that regard, I say that all these organizations, my own
00:23:28opinion is that all organizations have coordination among themselves, but their focus
00:23:31is Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, and now slowly we are seeing that their activities
00:23:35are also increasing in Balochistan. So, if we say here
00:23:38that they want more facilitation, you see,
00:23:42a narrative is created here, right,
00:23:46that this is a dollar war, this is an imposed
00:23:50war, this is the establishment's own war. So, they get
00:23:54more sympathy here. Here, if
00:23:57you look at all the incidents of terrorism that have happened here,
00:24:01you will see that facilitation has been done by our local people.
00:24:05So, in the suicide attacks that have happened, you can also
00:24:08see that 77% of the people were Afghan nationals. Similarly,
00:24:12in all the attacks happening, the majority comes from there,
00:24:16but you will get facilitation here. The reason for this is
00:24:20that we could not create a narrative against them here,
00:24:24and we have confused people's minds.
00:24:27When your political
00:24:30to talk to them, negotiate with them, we don't have
00:24:36that from 2004, the Shakai agreement, the matter starts
00:24:39and until 2008-09, seven major agreements happen in Swat.
00:24:43Dozens of small agreements happened, but after every agreement,
00:24:46there was a violation. Now, in Bajaur, in Kataf,
00:24:50they sent dozens of jirgas, but then they failed.
00:24:53Despite this, it is said that
00:24:57in this area, the operations happening
00:25:00are a kind of conspiracy against us, that the
00:25:04establishment wants to seize minerals here.
00:25:07Sometimes people are told one story, sometimes another. So, I
00:25:11think this has caused more damage, and TTP is benefiting from this
00:25:15because people's minds believe that
00:25:19they are also fighting a war,
00:25:22a war of freedom. So, I think
00:25:26if we look at this in the larger picture, because of this, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
00:25:31that our people are, as Teepo
00:25:34said, and Ismael Sahib said, now there are more reports
00:25:38that more recruitment is being done in TTP from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Children
00:25:42are being taken away. So, if this continues, that there will be unemployment
00:25:46in the province, the economic situation in the province will not be good,
00:25:49then what will these children do? Then, of course, they will be used.
00:25:53And now, the new reports coming are that more young people are being taken
00:25:57from here after recruitment. So, I think this will be very dangerous
00:26:00for the province, and towards this, the government, the federal
00:26:04government, should also pay attention, and the provincial government should also seriously pay attention to this.
00:26:08Thank you very much, Arshad Aziz Malik Sahib, Mr. Ismael Khan
00:26:12Sahib, and Mr. Ehsan Teepoo Sahib for giving us your time.
00:26:15With this prayer that wherever you are, stay in peace,
00:26:19stay happy. I bid farewell from today's Jirga. Allah Hafiz.
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