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00:00:17to deal with terrorism
00:00:19had a disagreement over it.
00:03:27the Pakistani state. Then when it is said
00:03:31Look, the thing is
00:03:32war, then obviously
00:03:56their weapons
00:04:08Time is changing and the angle
00:04:12of news also
00:04:15every topic will be commented
00:04:19on every aspect in a new style
00:04:22with Pakistan's most
00:04:25credible and powerful comments Governor Raj has also been imposed,
00:06:12exactly when this decision was made, a while ago, Sohail Afridi Sahab had tweeted,
00:06:16in which he said that we have no other option
00:06:20but to accept our demands, doing such acts without declaring
00:06:23emergency or Governor Raj comes under rebellion, gather courage
00:06:27and declare, so the government has also declared
00:06:31emergency and Governor Raj has also been imposed, from this tweet it seems
00:06:35that Sohail Afridi probably wanted political suicide,
00:06:38is that the case?
00:06:41No, it's not about political suicide, these are people's assumptions.
00:06:44Obviously, he is a young man, and the
00:06:47leadership of the street movement was entrusted
00:06:51to him by his leader. You expect that in such a situation,
00:06:54when five ministers are holding press conferences
00:06:58at different times and threatening him,
00:07:02as a political activist, such a reaction
00:07:06is natural. This was the natural reaction, what else was there? What
00:07:09would he say? He would tweet this.
00:08:12So terrorism is a cancer for the economy, for this country, for this state,
00:08:16fighting it, ending it, that is better
00:08:19for the economy and the state, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has never said
00:08:23that we are with terrorists, we will not let terrorism fight,
00:08:27no, that's not true, when you started the operation, internally displaced
00:08:31people happened, the Khyber operation happened, so who paid
00:08:34the 5 billion rupee cost of their displacement? Sohail
00:08:37Afridi's first cabinet meeting approved the money,
00:08:41and he gave those funds. After that,
00:08:44the operations in Kurram and other districts
00:08:48had 20 billion rupees allocated for internally temporarily
00:08:52displaced people in that budget. We increased the police budget.
00:08:56You didn't give any money. Regarding compensation, you were supposed to give your money,
00:08:59you didn't. Regarding weapons, you were supposed to give money, you didn't
00:09:02give. So the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government did everything from its own pocket.
00:09:06Separate funds were allocated for martyrs. Among the four provinces, Shehzad
00:09:10Bhai. Only one province.
00:10:12Does a provincial government ever take confidence like that? They were saying that they should sit together and make
00:10:16a joint strategy, consult,
00:10:19our voter is the one who voted against these things.
00:10:23If you keep killing people over there,
00:10:27where there will be collateral damage, and fewer terrorists
00:10:29will be killed and more innocent people will be killed, and ultimately people will blame
00:10:33us that you are getting our civilians killed, you are getting our people killed, so
00:10:37now let's sit together, the method
00:10:44It could have been discussed but they said it couldn't be discussed.
00:10:48This was before the committee meeting, because for a long time
00:10:51it was being said that brother, you should police. We will talk about
00:11:25this. There is a legal way. The other way that Sohail Afridi
00:11:29Sahab was repeatedly telling, as I said, even today he said, "If you have the guts,
00:11:33then do it." This was about the public coming out on the streets. But you must have
00:11:36seen, I think, even on social media, that no such large public
00:11:40has come out, even though Shazad Khatak and Shafiullah Jan are repeatedly asking people
00:11:43to come out from the tribal areas, people from Peshawar have come out. Why haven't
00:11:47people come out? Look, so much fear
00:11:50has been spread. When MNAs were picked up,
00:11:54you and when they were abducted, they didn't even go to the MPAs, they just left.
00:11:57Then what happened last night?
00:12:01What happened during the day today? How
00:12:04were containers placed? So the same thing happened here
00:12:07that has been happening in Punjab for the last three years. An atmosphere of fear
00:12:11has been created, and that atmosphere of fear, they say, Imran Khan's PTI
00:12:15is a stronghold, the situation in KP is very different from Punjab. So if even there
00:12:18today people didn't come out, then how will the people who were doing long march, long march, saying that they will come to Islamabad,
00:12:22how will they come to Islamabad?
00:13:56that what people apparently consider a loss
00:14:00in politics, ultimately proves to be your capital.
00:14:03When Imran Khan Sahib came out
00:14:07and was removed from the government, and all that
00:14:10happened, people thought that we were left with PTI.
00:14:13When elections were held for 14 seats
00:14:16in Punjab, we won all 14. You must remember, Imran Khan Sahib himself
00:14:20fought on how many seats, he won all of them, despite
00:14:24such hostility.
00:15:38Now, the first thing is that they will challenge it in court.
00:15:42They will raise their voice in this regard,
00:15:45and the forum available to us. Do you have expectations
00:15:49from the constitutional court? We have always, despite
00:15:53so much injustice and cruelty, expected from the courts after Allah.
00:15:56And I left the most important question for the end. Sohail
00:16:00Afridi and Junaid Akbar's arrest reports came. I just asked Talal Sahib,
00:16:04he said we have detained some people, he didn't take names. What information do you have?
00:16:10Absolutely, Sohail Afridi
00:16:13and Junaid Akbar Sahab, we have reports of their arrest.
00:16:17We have lost contact with some
00:16:20people. We don't know if they have been detained
00:16:23or not. So we are unable
00:16:27to say anything accurate. Meaning, there is no news about Shazia Khattak,
00:16:31whether he has been arrested or not, because he tweeted an hour or two ago,
00:16:35but after that, our contact with him was lost.
00:16:39There is no news about Shafiullah Jan, whether he has been arrested or not, his tweets are also coming. So
00:16:43because in many places, the internet is also shut down, Shehzad Bhai,
00:16:46so there are no contacts. Then you have no idea
00:16:50what kind of chaos they have created in KP.
00:16:54People are running here and there, some are running here, some are running there, some are
00:16:57hiding, it's a difficult situation for you. And
00:17:01many people used to make speculations about you too, that you are also
00:17:05in the Chief Minister's House, and giving interviews from there, but today's interview with you
00:17:09must have made people realize that you are not in the CM House, because if you were there,
00:17:12perhaps you would have also been arrested, or at least, as many mouths, so many words. Since my
00:17:16younger brother, Azizullah, may Allah bless him with a long life, Sohail Afridi became Chief Minister,
00:17:20I didn't get a single day to go to Peshawar
00:17:24other than press conferences.
00:17:28I neither went to the Chief Minister's House for a single day,
00:17:31nor to any other government residence, nor
00:17:35to any of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's
00:20:57Yesterday I watched your program, Jirga, in which you, Mr. Tipu, and other people told us how much terrorism
00:21:01is increasing, and the report submitted to the cabinet today
00:21:04stated that in two and a half years, attacks have increased by 195%.
00:21:07After that, the decision to implement Articles 232 and
00:21:11234. Do you think this decision is correct
00:21:15in the sense that if terrorism is to be controlled,
00:21:19there was no other option? First, we should
00:21:22see why terrorism increased. The main
00:21:25reason for this was the return of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
00:21:29And TTA and TT P, we students
00:21:32considered them one from day one.
00:21:36But the Pakistani state was making a distinction between them.
00:21:39So when the Afghan Taliban came there. Now look,
00:21:43the day the Taliban took over and broke the jails, four and a half
00:21:47thousand TTP people were released that day.
00:21:50So in Pakistan,
00:21:54in the tribal districts or the adjoining districts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
00:21:57terrorism started increasing
00:22:01with the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan.
00:22:04And in yesterday's program, we also discussed
00:22:08that there were some other reasons too. For example, one
00:22:12reason was this: Mufti Noor Wali Mehsud again became
00:22:16a tribal Amir of TTP.
00:22:20And he is educated and a great strategist. He re-united
00:22:23people again and got many
00:22:26new groups to join TTP.
00:22:30So because of this, they got
00:22:34a boost and an
00:22:37influential power. The problem
00:22:40then was with PTI and
00:22:43the establishment
00:22:47and the federation. These
00:22:50things are politics,
00:22:53that they are the B team of TTP and such things.
00:22:56Today it was also said that they are facilitators, they have a soft corner, they are assisting them.
00:23:00Is this accusation, which is a political accusation of the government, or is there any truth in it? I don't believe
00:23:04there can be a soft corner, but if they
00:23:08had to adopt the same narrative against TTP,
00:23:11if PTI had adopted
00:23:14the narrative that the establishment
00:23:18or the federation was demanding from them, then they would have met the same fate
00:23:22as the Awami National Party did during their government.
00:23:25So this is not an easy task,
00:23:28and I think that is why they
00:23:32did not adopt the narrative that was being demanded
00:23:35from them. So the problem here was that on one
00:23:39side, during this
00:23:42period, the Pakistani state had closed
00:23:46all paths of negotiations
00:23:50and jirgas, and they had reached the conclusion that T
00:23:54TA and TT P are two sides
00:23:57of the same coin, and only force should be used
00:24:00against them. And on the other side, the PTI
00:24:04government or PTI as a party
00:24:08was not ready to adopt that narrative
00:24:11that was the narrative of the establishment or
00:24:17that this is a war for dollars, or this is a self-made
00:24:22it is considered here as
00:24:25rubbing salt on their wounds, and its
00:24:28logical consequence has emerged in this form. So Ehsanullah, please tell us
00:24:31that you discussed yesterday that the capacity building of the police and CTD
00:24:35has not been done in this way. The federation also makes this accusation, but PTI's stance
00:24:39is the opposite. Their Finance Minister or advisor, Muzammil Aslam Sahab, says
00:24:43that the budget for the police and
00:24:46has been increased to 14.5 billion rupees.
00:24:50But now the government has taken this responsibility into its own hands,
00:24:54of governance and security and law and order. What do you think is going to be different,
00:24:58especially when we say that emergency has been imposed at 12,000? What will
00:25:01happen next? I also said yesterday, that I discussed
00:25:05this issue, that on the other side, there is a very well-organized
00:25:08insurgency or groups. So the police,
00:25:12even if you build their capacity, they cannot be as effective
00:25:15as the security forces. Anywhere in the world,
00:25:19if you take Iraq, anywhere, there are regular
00:25:23security forces, the army, who have been fighting
00:25:26against such groups. So the TTP should not be seen only from Pakistan's
00:25:30angle. Their connections are also with the jihadists
00:25:33in Africa, and with those in the Middle East. Afghanistan has become their
00:25:37base. So I don't think the police will be able to fight them.
00:25:41The police are meant for civil law enforcement,
00:25:44crime control. Bringing them to the front is a mistake, in my opinion.
00:25:48That's why the police are the ones suffering the most. In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
00:25:51with the capability that the TTP has, I don't think that
00:25:55in a very short period, the federal government
00:25:59or the setup that has come there through emergency will be able to contain them.
00:26:04But the local people, the local population, their patience has completely
00:26:08run out. If you go there and talk to anyone,
00:26:11they are completely... especially, Rania Sanahullah said in our program
00:26:14that there will be no IDP-like situation, IOs will continue. So if emergency
00:26:18has been imposed, is it for IOs or for some other purpose?
00:26:22Right now, there is talk of deploying more forces there,
00:26:25and secondly, IOs are happening
00:26:29daily in dozens. But still you will have
00:26:33to go. There is another issue this time that the TTP
00:26:37does not have permanent bases this time, unlike in the past,
00:26:40operations in North Waziristan or Swat etc. So they move from one place
00:26:44for a week to another place for another week. I think
00:26:48if there is too much pressure, these people will shift to Afghanistan. Thank you very much,
00:26:51Salim Safi Sahab and Ehsanullah Tipu were with us, dear viewers, that's all
00:26:55for today's program. Please excuse the show. Allah
00:26:58Hafiz.
00:30:19In these circumstances, water has gone over the head.
00:30:23What else? Do you want to play
00:30:27this game again and again and completely paralyze and destroy Pakistan?
00:30:31This will not happen. The law will take its course.
00:30:34Emergency and
00:30:41Governor's rule imposed in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. President Asif
00:30:44Zardari issued the decree. Prime Minister Shehbaz
00:30:47Sharif never. Water has gone above the head. It's decision time.
00:30:51To confront the terrorists.