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00:00:03controls everything. No, I am
00:00:14war against
00:00:18great commitment, terrorism with great courage,
00:00:24of the provincial government
00:00:30The fault is
00:01:00them on drones. They say kept trying. Last night till 11:45 PM, I was in contact with the PTI leaders. If they had agreed,
00:01:03the decisions that were made today would not
00:01:06have happened.
00:01:12The spokesperson said that the news of the Governor's rule and
00:01:16emergency could be for an indefinite period. While talking in the program, Rana Sana also
00:01:21not ready said that there would be no major operation. No one would be displaced. Intelligence-based operations will continue.
00:01:24Watch the detailed interview a little later, only on Geo News.
00:01:29two years, and especially
00:01:39They talk directly
00:01:48wage a direct conventional
00:01:54Viewers, let's take a short break,
00:02:59and this government,
00:03:08to you by the center
00:03:30The air is rare.
00:03:33to bring you reliable news
00:03:38Okay, but then there's
00:03:48with them, or as they
00:03:51In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. Peace be upon you. Viewers,
00:03:55the fear that was being expressed
00:03:58so they fled to Afghanistan. in the Jirga for the last two three weeks
00:04:00has finally come true. Governor's rule
00:04:04and emergency have been imposed in Khyber
00:04:08Pakhtunkhwa. And before moving
00:04:11forward, let me show you what Governor Khyber
00:04:15said two weeks ago when
00:04:18we had our conversation in the Jirga. Okay,
00:04:22Governor Sahab, if I have to interview you again next
00:04:25week. So will I have to call you just Governor?
00:04:30Or along with that, will I have to call you Chief
00:04:33Executive of the Province? That's
00:04:38with Shahzad Iqbal. let the time come. I can't tell you about tomorrow next week, whether we will be in this world or not. But the thing is,
00:04:42when the time comes, then we will interview
00:04:46the next one and then we will see what was
00:04:49supposed to happen has happened.
00:04:52Look, there are two things: What we were expecting
00:04:53the government, or our friendly countries have told them, or what we were fearing has happened.
00:04:57Today, Faisal Karim Kundi
00:05:01Sahab has become the Chief Executive of Khyber
00:05:04Pakhtunkhwa as Governor.
00:05:07The federal government made all these decisions.
00:05:11The federation dismissed the government of Sohail
00:05:14Afridi and his
00:05:17cabinet through the imposition of emergency and Governor's rule.
00:05:21Why did the federal government make this
00:05:24decision and why was
00:05:28a government that came through
00:05:32a public mandate dismissed?
00:05:36And
00:05:39what are the reasons for the step taken
00:05:42by the federal government and what
00:05:45will be the results of it?
00:05:48To know the answers to all these questions,
00:05:52we have with us Mr. Rana Sanaullah
00:05:56Khan Sahab, who is the Federal Minister for Inter-Provincial Coordination and Political Affairs.
00:05:59Thank you very much, Rana Sahab. Thank you. And
00:06:03first of all, it's against you. October 12th
00:06:07had happened once. Why did
00:06:10you people do October 11th to the PTI government?
00:06:13Look, we did not
00:06:16want to do October 11th in any case.
00:06:20And
00:06:23when such circumstances were created,
00:06:25despite that,
00:06:28the PTI government was
00:06:31also tried to be explained and they were also given
00:06:34a chance that they should
00:06:37change their attitude
00:06:41and not
00:06:43prioritize their political agenda
00:06:47over the national agenda. They should do
00:06:50politics and also
00:06:54advance their political demands. If they
00:06:58also have to protest, they should follow the democratic
00:07:01ways of protesting. Attacking
00:07:05the capital, Islamabad, or
00:07:09invading it. This
00:07:12is not a democratic way of protesting.
00:07:15And
00:07:17a national security agenda
00:07:21that is about the unity of Pakistan
00:07:25and the existence of Pakistan,
00:07:29a personal or political
00:07:32agenda cannot be prioritized
00:07:36over it. At this time, Pakistan
00:07:40is facing
00:07:43an external aggression, a foreign
00:07:47aggression. Their
00:07:51کا جو
00:07:54anti-Pakistan
00:07:57agenda or their
00:08:01narrative against Pakistan
00:08:04is very clear.
00:08:07And
00:08:10in this, the real
00:08:13enemies of Pakistan,
00:08:16i.e., India,
00:08:19are involved. The land
00:08:22of Afghanistan and the people
00:08:25of Afghanistan are being used
00:08:29in this aggression, in this war
00:08:32of terrorism that is imposed on Pakistan. So,
00:08:35ہیں
00:08:38we tried to explain
00:08:41to them many times and tried
00:08:45to reach an understanding with them. That
00:08:49Afghanistan should not allow its land to be used
00:08:51for terrorism against Pakistan.
00:08:55And negotiations were held
00:09:00say, a Jirga was held
00:09:04with them, and they were talked to. They were talked
00:09:07to at the last resort.
00:09:10And it wasn't just Pakistan
00:09:14that did it, but also Pakistan's friendly
00:09:17Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia,
00:09:21Qatar, Turkey,
00:09:24and to some extent,
00:09:27China. But they did not agree to anything,
00:09:30and they
00:09:34started escalating
00:09:37this war of terrorism after
00:09:41imposing it.
00:09:44So, its effects are such
00:09:48that almost 12 districts
00:09:51are such that
00:09:54some of them are the
00:09:57former FATA districts and
00:10:00besides that, Lakki Marwat,
00:10:03Karak and Dera Ismail
00:10:06Khan. We are not saying
00:10:09that every person in KP says that
00:10:13the government's writ exists during the day and at night
00:10:17the terrorists have
00:10:21their rule or
00:10:24terrorism
00:10:28Now, the Pakistani armed forces
00:10:31and Pakistan's law enforcement agencies
00:10:35have fought this
00:10:43and patriotism. And
00:10:47how much, no, but sir, what was the fault of PTI in dealing with this war of terrorism?
00:10:51What is the fault of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government?
00:10:55that the sacrifices made
00:10:59by the armed forces and law enforcement agencies
00:11:03in the war against terrorism
00:11:06and the intelligence-based
00:11:09operations that were carried
00:11:13out against terrorists. Now, if law
00:11:17enforcement agencies or the forces
00:11:20clear an area,
00:11:23who is supposed to hold it?
00:11:27The civil administration. The police,
00:11:31the CTD. Where is the police?
00:11:34Where is the CTD? The situation
00:11:38in these 12 districts is such that in five of them,
00:11:42the police don't even have police stations.
00:11:45There is no existence of CTD. And then the provincial government
00:11:49not only in these
00:11:54for the past one and a half years,
00:11:58when the situation with Afghanistan
00:12:02and India started
00:12:05and phase two began, and India
00:12:09saw that it could not
00:12:13war with Pakistan, and the other
00:12:17was out of the question, so now they
00:12:20changed their strategy and started phase two.
00:12:23So from that time, almost,
00:12:26I mean, it's April-May 2025,
00:12:29and after that, when
00:12:33the increase started, and training camps
00:12:37in Afghanistan were fully established,
00:12:40and terrorists were trained there, and after
00:12:44that, terrorist activities started after entering
00:12:47Pakistan, then the national
00:12:51stance against
00:12:55these terrorists was never supported
00:12:58by the provincial government of PTI till today.
00:13:02They never stood with it. Rather,
00:13:06they have always been saying
00:13:09that we are against this operation. But the Chief Minister himself does not fight, his police
00:13:13fight. And his police were making sacrifices. So the police were making
00:13:17sacrifices, but the police were making sacrifices in such a situation. That they had no
00:13:21weapons, nor did they have safe
00:13:25buildings. And when it was said for this purpose that you should
00:13:29spend the funds that are being given
00:13:33on this, there was no
00:13:36positive response.
00:13:39And now the Chief Minister Sahab
00:13:43and even before that, he used to say that this is not
00:13:46our job. Establishing peace
00:13:49and fighting against terrorism is not our job, he says
00:13:53that we are not made Chief Minister for this purpose. I am
00:13:57selected as Chief Minister for love of Ramadan.
00:14:01نہیں مارے جانے کے لیے جو ہے وہ میں
00:14:04elected as Chief Minister, and he says that his agenda
00:14:08is only the release
00:14:10of Imran Khan, so I have no concern with it, nor do I have any
00:14:14concern with the war against terrorism, nor do I have any concern
00:14:18with the national narrative. And then it's not
00:14:22just that he failed
00:14:25to fulfill his responsibility, he did not fulfill his responsibility,
00:14:29rather he was
00:14:33openly vocal
00:14:36against that narrative.
00:14:39He was against it. He was
00:14:43against the martyrs
00:14:46of our armed forces. Now, I think
00:14:50he went to one or two places when
00:14:53there was a lot of objection against him. Otherwise,
00:14:57he never bothered to go to the funerals
00:15:00of the martyrs. So will peace come to Khyber
00:15:04Pakhtunkhwa after the imposition
00:15:08of Governor's rule, and will terrorism end?
00:15:11Look, if it increases, what will you people do?
00:15:17the war against terrorism
00:15:21that has been fought with such commitment
00:15:25and bravery, it is not possible that its
00:15:28positive and successful
00:15:32results will not come out, and they should
00:15:35have come out by now. The only reason
00:15:39for their not coming out is that the role
00:15:43of the provincial government is missing there. Now, if there is no
00:15:46civil administration there, and the provincial
00:15:49government, which is responsible
00:15:52for law and order and has funds,
00:15:56you can see how much
00:16:00increase there has been in martyrdoms
00:16:03during this period. Similarly, the incidents
00:16:07of terrorism, which were in hundreds
00:16:10in the first year and a half, are now in thousands. This state
00:16:14worked very hard, made great efforts,
00:16:17and brought the Taliban to power
00:16:20in Afghanistan. The Pakistani state did this,
00:16:24so because of this, when the Taliban
00:16:27government came, the morale of the Taliban in Pakistan
00:16:31also had to be boosted, and they gained strength.
00:16:35Look, that was not the mistake of PTI. Look, in any case,
00:16:38there is a mistake of PTI in this. You know
00:16:42that when
00:16:45the APS incident happened,
00:16:49the Army Public School incident,
00:16:52then when the operation
00:16:55against them
00:16:58started in North Waziristan,
00:17:02Darpa Azab, then as a result
00:17:06of the APS incident, the whole nation came on one page,
00:17:10and at that time, Mian Nawaz Sharif called those people
00:17:13who had been standing outside for 126
00:17:16days, abusing the Prime Minister's House and saying
00:17:20that we will drag you out by your collar, he called
00:17:24them himself for the sake
00:17:27of the country, for a national cause,
00:17:30that this is the form of terrorism,
00:17:34come, let's sit together and make
00:17:37a policy on it. A national policy was made,
00:17:41the whole nation agreed, and after
00:17:44that, this terrorism was eradicated.
00:17:47It was eradicated
00:17:51to such an extent that then such
00:17:54rare incidents would happen, otherwise, Pakistan
00:17:58had come out of terrorism.
00:18:01After that, who made this policy
00:18:04that they should be brought
00:18:07back? You also know that, and even
00:18:11now, they still say that we should negotiate
00:18:15with them, we should sit with them in a Jirga. Whose slogan
00:18:19is this? This is the slogan of PTI. The current
00:18:22Chief, no, that is a difference in strategy.
00:18:25You will say to fight them, I will say to hold a Jirga with them.
00:18:28No, in this, has this government not negotiated
00:18:32with TTP before? The MP government
00:18:35in Swat.
00:18:37Your Governor did not
00:18:41negotiate with them in North
00:18:44Waziristan. No, look,
00:18:47look, they had a stance
00:18:51when PTI was in government,
00:18:55Imran Khan was Prime Minister, he officially
00:18:59rejected the idea that these
00:19:03terrorists should not be allowed to return.
00:19:07The people there who were
00:19:10representatives at that time, all of them
00:19:13unanimously opposed in that briefing that was held in the National Assembly
00:19:17that you should not do this, you should not
00:19:21allow them to return, they will do the same thing again
00:19:24that they were doing here before, and
00:19:28they were then
00:19:32operated against here,
00:19:36But despite that, they said that no, they will come with weapons,
00:19:39they will live here under the constitution,
00:19:43under the law. So you think Imran Khan brought
00:19:47them back? Yes, look, the policy
00:19:51that was made at that time, as a result of that policy,
00:19:55some people got a chance to return.
00:19:58Some people came back through the proper channel,
00:20:02and some people also came back
00:20:06in such circumstances. Now, when those people came and started the same thing again,
00:20:09look, the negotiations or the
00:20:12talks that Pakistan has had,
00:20:16or the current political and military leadership
00:20:20of Pakistan has had, or our friendly countries have had,
00:20:23there is a big difference between those negotiations and what they are saying.
00:20:27We have told
00:20:31that this is the evidence, on the basis
00:20:33of this evidence, look, your land
00:20:40you stop this thing. If you don't
00:20:44stop it, then we will neutralize
00:20:47these training centers that you have made,
00:20:51and wherever this activity is happening, we will
00:20:55neutralize it. Khan Sahab, even after a major tragedy like APS,
00:20:58emergency or Governor's rule was not imposed there, so
00:21:02what big disaster had struck
00:21:05that you people took this extreme step?
00:21:08The basis of this is the attitude
00:21:14there, that they are not ready
00:21:18to play their part in this national
00:21:22cause, this aggression against the state,
00:21:25aggression against Pakistan. They are not ready
00:21:28to stand with Pakistan.
00:21:32They say that these drones
00:21:36they say
00:21:38we should not attack them with drones. I mean,
00:21:42if terrorists hit drones there, that's fine. They say
00:21:45that there should be no action against
00:21:50that you should hold a Jirga with them, you should negotiate with them.
00:21:54What kind of negotiations should be held with them?
00:21:57The negotiations that our military and
00:22:00political leadership have held with them,
00:22:03our Foreign Minister also went there, and after that, when talks were held
00:22:07in Istanbul with friendly countries, the Defense Minister also went,
00:22:11the Foreign Minister also went, but they are not ready
00:22:15to agree to anything. What is their
00:22:18demand? Is it a demand for someone's treatment
00:22:22or a meeting with someone or a demand for someone's cases
00:22:25or do they talk about elections?
00:22:29that they say that a large
00:22:33part of KP belongs to them. I mean, they talk
00:22:36about breaking Pakistan, and they say
00:22:40that you should sit with them and talk.
00:22:44we will continue the discussion with Rana Sanamullah Sahab when we return. Stay with
00:22:46us.
00:26:32Welcome
00:26:44once again to the Jirga. Today in the Jirga, we have
00:26:48Mr. Rana Sanam Allah. TTP
00:26:51activities had increased for some time, but
00:26:54until PTI announced the long march, you people did not take
00:26:58any action against them. So what is this?
00:27:15But the main reason
00:27:18was their role that they were not
00:27:22only to play their part
00:27:25in this war against terrorism
00:27:29at any cost, but
00:27:36also had an opposing
00:27:39narrative, meaning a chief minister
00:27:43of a province says that the reason
00:27:46for these incidents of terrorism
00:27:50is the actions
00:27:53of our armed forces.
00:27:57You tell me, after such a statement,
00:28:00will any
00:28:32drug mafia there, there is a mafia
00:28:36that takes cuts from the development
00:28:39work happening there. Some people from here are also involved in this mafia,
00:28:43and some people coming from there are also involved.
00:28:47Now, all these matters, are all these matters
00:28:50to be resolved by the Pakistan Army or the army?
00:28:54These are to be resolved by the civil administration.
00:28:58And the civil administration
00:29:01its own people, its own workers
00:29:05and its own members are involved in these things.
00:29:09Rana Sahab, at the time of FATA merger,
00:29:11perhaps Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, who was the Prime Minister
00:29:14of your party at that time, the Sartaj Aziz Committee
00:29:18also gave this suggestion and it was decided
00:29:21that these areas would be exempt
00:29:25from taxes for this long. How many years
00:29:28was it said for Malakand and FATA?
00:29:33It was said for 10 years, I think. It was said for 10 years.
00:29:37How long has it been since those 10 years were completed?
00:29:40also this, that they also made another promise that 3%
00:29:44of the divisible pool would be given
00:29:48to the merged areas. Did you people give that money for one year?
00:29:51No, that money was given
00:29:54and its calculation is available,
00:29:58almost in that head,
00:30:00the one
00:30:03percent that was kept
00:30:07for terrorism, no, not one percent, it is also mentioned in the book
00:30:10of the report of the Sartaj Aziz Committee, in the printed
00:30:13book. But its reasons
00:30:17were different, and one percent was,
00:30:21I mean, the divisible pool, out of that,
00:30:24which is divided between the provinces and the center,
00:30:28before that division, there are some things, like some backward areas,
00:30:32some terrorism, so this way, one percent, one percent,
00:30:36this way, when this NFC happened
00:30:39in 2010, these things
00:30:43were kept, so out of that,
00:30:46so far, almost
00:30:50700 billion rupees have been given
00:30:54to the KP government only for this.