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00:00:00Maulana Sahib has not seen his conduct yet. He is
00:00:05and in his position. But how long does it take from noon to evening that you had made up your mind
00:00:09and you put Maulana Sahib in the middle to finish the argument? My request is
00:00:12that they keep changing the goalposts. We were assured of this
00:00:16more than once, but ifs and buts were added.
00:00:20It was deliberately created
00:00:23Taliban groups and BLA etc. in Balochistan, an atmosphere where there would be no consensus. What did we want? That you call
00:00:27a terrorist a terrorist. You stand openly with us.
00:00:31The issue we have with Afghanistan.
00:00:35This PTI is similar to it, that neither
00:00:38they openly call a terrorist a terrorist, nor do they stand with you. So the thing
00:00:42time in the morning, then it means is, look, if they had made up their mind, if they had made
00:00:46up their mind, if there was another option,
00:00:48then the funerals of so many martyrs would
00:00:52not have been carried on the shoulders of the Prime Minister and the Army Chief.
00:00:55Shahzad, have you ever seen someone whose wedding was a week ago,
00:00:59or an only son?
00:02:00If one or two people come out, then no such
00:02:03event has come
00:02:12of people in the last election voted for other
00:02:16parties, right? They had popular votes or more votes,
00:02:19so they won. Now after that you say why peace won't
00:02:23come. We have shown peace. There is only
00:02:26one way to peace, in the capability of our security forces.
00:02:30There is no कमी in their fighting. If there
00:02:33is a कमी, then the government, the political forces,
00:02:38rift. So this is one should stand behind it. And look at this, while they were in
00:02:41government, they were neither giving resources
00:02:44to the security forces, nor political leadership.
00:02:48And it was deliberately said that people didn't
00:02:51come out. Information came that Suhail Afridi has been arrested, Junaid Akbar has been
00:02:54arrested. Where are these people?
00:02:58be owned. But
00:03:00about Afridi and Junaid Akbar, have they been detained? No, look, We will ask the federation. Yes. Now look, some people have been detained for law and order
00:03:03situation, so that no such
00:03:07And then when it is said incident happens. Those who are wanted in various
00:03:10cases, they
00:03:12war, then naturally, will be. Please confirm
00:03:15I am talking about the overall situation,
00:03:18on their wounds. okay? And about the rest. No, I am asking specifically. Where did the high-ranking officials who were there till morning
00:03:22go? My request is that some
00:03:25individuals have been detained, and most of those who have no record
00:03:29and are not wanted, will be released. And there will be
00:03:33no did you read that tweet this
00:03:37morning, this tweet about negotiations?
00:03:40Maulana says
00:03:42ہیں
00:03:44Look, if I were sitting there, I
00:03:47would request Maulana Sahib that this tweet is not about negotiations.
00:03:51This tweet is about unconditional
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00:04:52Times are changing and the angle of reporting
00:04:57that you knew that this matter too. Every topic.
00:09:42In the recent 195% decision to implement
00:09:45Articles 232 and
00:09:48234, do you think this decision
00:09:52is correct in terms of controlling terrorism? Was there
00:09:56no other option? See, first we should see
00:09:59why terrorism increased. Its main reason was
00:10:03the return of the Taliban in Afghanistan,
00:10:06and we students understood TTP
00:10:09from the very beginning. But the Pakistani state
00:10:13was differentiating. So when the Afghan
00:10:16Taliban came here. Now look,
00:10:19the day the Taliban took over and broke the jails, four and a half thousand
00:10:23TTP people were released that
00:10:25day. So in Pakistan's
00:10:29tribal districts
00:10:32or the adjoining districts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
00:10:35terrorism increased
00:10:38with the Taliban's takeover
00:10:42in Afghanistan. And in yesterday's
00:10:45program, we also discussed that there were some other reasons. For example,
00:10:49one reason was that Mufti Noor Wali Mehsud
00:10:53again became a tribal
00:10:55Amir of TTP, and he is also educated and a great
00:10:59strategist. He reunited people
00:11:02and several new groups
00:11:05he included in TTP. So because of this,
00:11:09they got a boost
00:11:13and a new power.
00:11:16The problem was then of PTI
00:11:19and
00:11:20اور
00:11:24the federation.
00:11:55The federation was demanding this from it, so it would have met
00:11:58the same fate as the Awami National Party did during
00:12:02its government. So this is not such an easy task.
00:12:05And I think that is why they
00:12:09did not adopt this narrative that was being demanded of them.
00:12:13So the problem arose here that
00:12:17on one side, during
00:12:19this period, the Pakistani state had
00:12:22closed all avenues
00:12:25of negotiations and jirgas, and they had reached
00:12:29the conclusion that TTP
00:12:32and TTP are two sides of the same coin and only
00:12:36force should be used against them. And on the other
00:12:40hand, the PTI government or PTI
00:12:43as a party was not ready to adopt
00:12:47that narrative which was the narrative
00:12:50of the establishment or the Pakistani state. Now
00:12:53on one side, whether it is right or wrong,
00:12:57but intelligence-based operations were happening.
00:13:01On the other hand, TTP's operations were going on with such
00:13:04intensity. Every day
00:13:08someone of the police used to die, or
00:13:11that day I had given its details that TTP
00:13:15used to carry out their operations in September, more than 300 attacks happened. Yes,
00:13:19more than 300 attacks in a month and not less than 10
00:13:22operations daily. Correct. And then
00:13:25the army sometimes carries the bodies of a colonel, sometimes
00:13:29a major, sometimes a captain.
00:13:32that this is a war for dollars or this is a self-made
00:13:37it is considered here
00:13:41as rubbing salt
00:13:43And its logical result came in this form. So,
00:13:47Ehsanullah, please tell us, you discussed yesterday
00:13:51that the capacity building of police and CTD was not done in this way. The federation also
00:13:54made this accusation. The PTI's stance is the opposite. Their Finance Minister
00:13:58or advisor, Muzammil Aslam Sahib, tells us that they have increased
00:14:02the expenses of the police and for the purchase of weapons
00:14:05they have increased it from 35 billion to 45
00:14:09billion rupees. But now the government has taken
00:14:13this responsibility on itself, both of governance
00:14:16and security and order. What do you think is going to be different and
00:14:20especially when we say that emergency has been imposed in 12 districts, what will happen
00:14:23next? Even yesterday, I discussed this
00:14:27issue that on the other side, there are very well-organized
00:14:30insurgency terrorism or groups, so even if you build
00:14:33the capacity of the police, they will not be as effective
00:14:37as security forces. If you check anywhere in the world, in Iraq
00:14:41or anywhere else, the regular security forces, the army,
00:14:44have been fighting against such groups.
00:14:47So TTP should not be viewed only from Pakistan's
00:14:51angle. Their connections are also with terrorists in Africa.
00:15:08This is a mistake, that's why the police are suffering the most in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
00:15:12Here, our other regular security forces
00:15:15are also. This is very interesting because the PTI refers
00:15:19to the fact that they and other parties in the province had prepared
00:15:22a complete draft through a jirga, and its point
00:15:26number four said that the army should leave and the police
00:15:29and CTD will take action. But you are saying that no matter how much you increase their capacity,
00:15:33they cannot fight it. They cannot. This is absolutely true, because the other side,
00:15:37the people I am seeing or who have contacted them or the actions taken
00:15:41by them on the ground, are very sophisticated and
00:15:45advanced. If you look at their technology, if you look at their motivation level, then
00:15:49the police will not be able to do it, they will need them.
00:15:52But at the same time, as Safi Sahib said, this political
00:15:56polarization, the TTP's propaganda, or the other Pakistani
00:16:01exploit them a lot. In terms of revenue, in terms of recruitment,
00:16:05and even now, I feel that the TTP will exploit this entire situation
00:16:08a lot for these two tasks, and the responsibility,
00:16:12which earlier was that the blame
00:16:16used to be divided between the two, now the entire thing will come to the federation.
00:16:20So this is a very big responsibility and given the capability of TTP,
00:16:24I don't think that the federal government
00:16:27or the setup that has come there through emergency
00:16:31will be able to contain them in a very short
00:16:35time. It will take time. But the local people, the local population,
00:17:33if the government succeeds in this, then people's lives will become easier
00:17:37and terrorism will end there. But if the government fails
00:17:40in this, then what will happen? Because you have removed a politically mandated government
00:17:44and put this one in place. But if they also fail
00:17:47to control security matters, then won't the results be very bad,
00:17:51as we are perhaps seeing in Balochistan? No, it is obvious that
00:17:55the federation has taken a very big
00:17:57responsibility and a very big
00:18:01risk. Because you cannot
00:18:04change the situation on the ground
00:18:08overnight. The security forces are also
00:18:12the same. And the police are also
00:18:15the same. You can bring a 19-20
00:18:18difference, you can increase their numbers.
00:18:21They can take some other measures. Or it
00:18:25will be that now the government there, the coordination
00:18:28between that government and the security forces will be better.
00:18:32Or their narrative will
00:18:36even after that, it is obvious that neither
00:18:39will the Taliban's power and strength decrease
00:18:42overnight, nor
00:18:46will the government's power and strength increase
00:18:49overnight. So I think
00:18:53that with increasing responsibility and where
00:18:56politically I think the federal
00:19:00government will suffer and PTI will
00:19:04benefit, along with that,
00:19:08there is also a risk that if the government is not
00:19:10able to complete this task
00:19:13and improve law and order
00:19:17and minimize TTP's activities,
00:19:21then people will also ask why you removed
00:19:25the elected PTI government. What Ehsanullah also said
00:19:28suggests that, Saleem Safi Sahib, this is not a short-term
00:19:32arrangement. People are probably saying that it might continue until the 2029 elections,
00:19:36and given the large cabinet and advisory council that has been formed,
00:19:40I also feel that
00:19:42the federal
00:19:46government, yes, their intention is also not for the short
00:19:50term, and the thing that has been created,
00:19:53law and order, that is also not a short-term
00:19:57task, not a short-term task that you can
00:20:00accomplish in a few weeks or
00:20:04a few months.
00:20:10It's also very big and it seems that the federal government's intentions are also to
00:20:14drag it out as long as they can. Fazlur Rahman Sahib said today
00:20:17in a press conference that when we talked yesterday, PTI had agreed to end the long march. Their only
00:20:21demand was to meet Imran Khan. He said that Shahbaz Sharif Sahib
00:20:25also said that it's fine, we won't hold a cabinet meeting in the morning, we will call it later. But then
00:20:29the meeting also happened in the morning and it was approved. Now I know
00:20:34is So was it just
00:20:39to finish the argument that talks were held with Fazlur Rahman Sahib,
00:20:43or was there really a possibility that the government could change its mind today?
00:20:47No, in my opinion, if
00:20:50Maulana Sahib is a very well-informed
00:20:53and astute politician,
00:20:55his meetings were also held yesterday with government
00:20:59representatives and PTI representatives.
00:21:03Then there was also the fact that when we
00:21:07were going to bed at night, the government
00:21:10had not postponed the cabinet meeting
00:21:14called for 9 AM in the morning. Yes, so Maulana
00:21:17Sahib certainly understood this and he knew that
00:21:21before this, a meeting of the President and the Prime Minister
00:21:25had taken place and this decision had been made. And if the cabinet
00:21:28meeting is also to be held at the scheduled
00:21:32that the government is moving forward according to its
00:21:36schedule and program. For example, I think these
00:21:39things were estimated two weeks ago. Faisal Karim
00:21:43Kundi Sahib was a guest on my program,
00:21:46and in it, I asked him a question
00:21:50which is on record that if I call
00:21:53you next week, will I call you the Chief Executive or the
00:21:56Governor? Correct. So if I, a student,
00:22:00had this news, then Maulana Fazlur Rahman Sahib
00:22:04certainly also had an idea of what was going
00:22:07to happen and that the government was not going to back down
00:22:11from this task. Ehsanullah Sahib, winning any war, and this is our
00:22:15own experience in Pakistan, is that political and military power being united,
00:22:18showing a united front, having a single narrative,
00:22:50the protest that was done, I don't
00:22:51think
00:22:54much happened in the future either, but the most dangerous thing will be on the narrative
00:22:58front, that the PTI's social media or their support
00:23:01is there, so those people, meaning if in the future
00:23:05there are any such incidents, if a major attack happens there, in which,
00:23:09meaning, damage is caused, then first of
00:23:12all, they will immediately blame the federal
00:23:16government or our security agencies able to control it yourselves.
00:23:20And I think TTP or the other Pakistani Taliban groups
00:23:24will exploit this further
00:23:28issue, that the narrative is the most alarming thing to me,
00:23:31that it will still not be accepted. And on the narrative front, the biggest
00:23:35problem is in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, as Saleem Bhai also said, that there is
00:23:38a dollar war or they are saying that this is a war of resources,
00:23:42our resources here are being forcibly occupied as a result of this war.
00:23:46So these things will further, meaning, in the context of this social narrative, they got support.
00:24:20But actually, perhaps he wants to say that their method is different, so PTI's method was understood
00:24:23because there is a lot of confusion in it. When I used to talk to some people from PTI, they always
00:24:27used to say that it's okay, you are in the driving seat, but at least on the passenger
00:24:31seat, we have to answer to the people. And
00:24:35mostly, Suhail Afridi Sahib himself is from a tribal area, a district,
00:24:39and because of the operation that happened there, the local people suffered a lot.
00:24:42Then there are many other people who are from the South KP districts, so
00:24:46when they themselves used to go to their constituency, people used to start objecting to them.
00:24:52So because of this, they used to say that we should also be taken into confidence. And we have seen
00:24:56this when a police peace committee was formed in Bannu
00:24:59and Lakki Marwat, then the police
00:25:03themselves said that they will not do the work
00:25:07within the security agencies that had become a very big issue
00:25:10there. So these problems were there, and PTI
00:25:14used to say that we are also stakeholders, we should also be taken into confidence regarding
00:25:18any security measures.
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00:30:25In these circumstances, water has gone over
00:30:28the head. And do you want to play
00:30:32your game again and again and completely disable and destroy
00:30:36Pakistan? This will not happen. The law will
00:30:39take its course.
00:30:48Emergency and Governor's Rule imposed in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
00:30:51President Zardari issued the decree. Prime Minister Shehbaz
00:30:54Sharif said, "If not now, then never." Water has gone over the head.