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00:00:37Today is Thursday, August 6th. Welcome to From Cause to Effect on Halk TV
00:00:41screens. We are with Mehmet Teskan. Good morning, Mehmet Teskan. Good morning.
00:00:44Good morning. We started another busy day with a busy agenda. Our friends are ready at many
00:00:48live broadcast points. They will convey the developments. Of course,
00:00:51we will return to the Grand National Assembly of Turkey in the upcoming minutes. The framework
00:00:54law traffic continues there. Today is also an important day.
00:00:58is expected today, the details
00:01:08that will echo from Trabzon
00:01:38are with you.
00:01:44Thanks, Bilge. In Güvenpark, relatives of martyr soldiers
00:01:47and veteran soldiers have been fighting
00:01:50for more than 3 weeks in Güvenpark, Ankara, in the middle of Kızılay.
00:01:53They are fighting for their personal rights.
00:01:56questions, etc. We have They have been on hunger strike for 5 days. Actually, they
00:02:00started their strike, and while it was expected whether there would be a result
00:02:03in that struggle that lasted for 5 days, a law proposal was submitted to the parliament last
00:02:07week, but the demands of the veteran soldiers and the relatives of martyr
00:02:10soldiers were not included in that law proposal, there was
00:02:14no situation that went beyond just a salary increase,
00:02:18and while eyes were on the parliament for the framework law,
00:02:23time the PKK in response to the demands of the relatives of martyr soldiers and veteran
00:02:27soldiers, the law proposal
00:02:30in the parliament that only
00:02:32foresaw a salary increase was accepted
00:02:36by the commission in the parliament as of last night.
00:02:40The protestors, veterans, relatives of martyrs are here and they
00:02:43say they will continue to fight for their personal rights. The new
00:02:47Party Chairman Özgür Özel eee actually, as the new
00:02:50Party Chairman, for the first time, but he
00:02:54also met with veterans and relatives of martyrs
00:02:57on July 14th. Veterans
00:03:13and relatives of martyrs are greeting
00:03:15him and we expect Özgür Özel to give a message
00:03:19about their demands and the framework law shortly.
00:03:23This is the first group
00:03:25meeting he held as the new chairman of the party.
00:03:29"Let's not
00:03:41be ashamed of our martyr relatives, our veterans, let's solve
00:03:44their demands, their problems before the parliament closes."
00:03:48he said, he had made such a call in the group
00:03:51meeting, today again he will make
00:03:53that call in front of the martyr relatives and
00:03:57veterans, actually."
00:04:30He will make a call, and there is one last
00:04:33chance to add these demands to the
00:04:36law proposal that passed the commission. The General
00:04:40Assembly is expected to complete its discussions this
00:04:43week. Will it be added? Will it be added? Will an
00:04:46amendment be made? We don't know, but the veterans, the relatives
00:04:50of martyrs are angry, they want equal rights, they want
00:04:53their personal rights, salaries, we don't want
00:04:57salaries. Our...
00:05:12I'm trying to talk in the middle of the crowd. Özgür Özel greets
00:05:15the martyr relatives and veterans one by one.
00:05:18He will then make a speech
00:05:22here shortly.
00:05:25As you said, Özgür Özel
00:05:29came here on July 14th
00:05:32as the CHP chairman, as the CHP leader,
00:05:36to Güvenpark for a support visit.
00:05:39We are waiting
00:06:26for the statement, our cameraman friend Güven Dinçmen conveyed the details to us. Dear viewers, these images
00:06:30from Güvenpark are reflected live on your screens. Sibel also underlined
00:06:34just now that Özgür Özel had visited as the CHP chairman two
00:06:38weeks ago. Two weeks later,
00:06:41this time he is again in Güvenpark
00:06:44as the new chairman, as the new party leader,
00:06:48to support the hunger strike and rights struggle
00:06:51carried out by the relatives of martyr soldiers
00:06:54and veterans in Güvenpark. A statement will be made shortly. Now,
00:06:58this visit is important, Mehmet Teskan, it is also important
00:07:01in terms of timing. Now, what do you say
00:07:04about the timing of this visit while the framework law is being discussed in the parliament?
00:07:08Well, now, actually,
00:07:11a situation might arise
00:07:20in public opinion as if it is gathered around the framework law.
00:07:24They were there before and they have some rights demands.
00:07:28They wanted those rights demands to come to the parliament.
00:07:31Özgür Özel also supported them when he was the CHP chairman,
00:07:34saying that your personal rights
00:07:37should also be provided in the parliament.
00:07:41Now he is giving this support. The day
00:07:45is a bit meaningful, undoubtedly. He might
00:07:49not open the topic of the framework law at all, I don't know, but
00:07:52he will say a couple of sentences anyway. He has already said
00:07:56that we support it in principle.
00:07:59When we look at some of
00:08:03the articles carefully, there are some issues
00:08:06that need to be discussed. Even those
00:08:09who prepared this draft
00:08:13agree. It will be discussed in the Justice Committee
00:08:16on Friday, right? I guess the new
00:08:20party, the CHP, the others,
00:08:23the DEMs will convey
00:08:26some of their demands there. Because there
00:08:30are undefined elements there. For example, let me tell you one.
00:08:33We will probably come to the topic as well. For example,
00:08:36KCK. Now, disarmament, okay,
00:08:40after they say they have disarmed, it will be approved
00:08:42and the process will begin. This process
00:08:46does not begin on the day this law passes.
00:08:49So, when you say KCK, there is PJAK
00:08:52in it, that is, there is the formation in Iran.
00:08:55They are Iranian citizens, Kurds but Iranian
00:08:58citizens. Now, when you say KJK,
00:09:01you say superstructure. And there are PYD,
00:09:05YPG in Syria. Well, they joined the Syrian Army
00:09:08as a division, even yesterday
00:09:11Mazlum was
00:09:13with the article. They rescued them in the palace,
00:09:16they talked, mutually,
00:09:19about how they would draw a roadmap. Now, within them
00:09:22is that structure, they are also
00:09:25Syrians. It is said that there are close
00:09:28to 1500 Turks among them,
00:09:31that is, PKK members, who joined them with the Syrian
00:09:35civil war. What will happen to them?
00:09:37Now, there is an expression of KJK and PKK and
00:09:41KJK. Now, if the PKK lays down
00:09:43arms, and KJK, now I'm confused there.
00:09:46Does this framework law to be enacted cover
00:09:50those in Syria? Does it cover those in Iran?
00:09:53Because they are also elements of KJK.
00:09:56Now, if it covers them, then will we also wait for
00:09:59those in Iran to lay down arms or
00:10:03those in Syria to all lay down arms?
00:10:06Well, most of them are Syrian citizens, there is no issue that concerns
00:10:10us. There is an issue that concerns Ahmet,
00:10:14Ahmet Eşara, if it didn't concern
00:10:16him, he wouldn't have met yesterday. I watched yesterday or the day before yesterday,
00:10:20there was a meeting in the palace. They probably
00:10:23have a logic, an explanation for why they put
00:10:26the word KCK. Because, look,
00:10:30at first, after Abdullah Öcalan said
00:10:33the PKK should lay down arms,
00:10:36this KCK issue was debated a lot, even the DEMs
00:10:39came out and said it does not cover KCK.
00:10:43Even the late Sırrı Süreyya Önder
00:10:45eee in which television he appeared on a television program and said
00:10:49in an interview that it was excluded.
00:10:52Most of the DEMs also said it was excluded,
00:11:04Now, what will happen when this passes? I have a question mark in my mind.
00:11:08This needs to be clarified in the
00:11:11meetings of the Justice Committee. We are also talking
00:11:14about something now. We are looking at the text. Now,
00:11:18when a law text is being prepared,
00:11:21the justification and spirit of the law are also conveyed
00:11:25with reasoned decisions, so that we know
00:11:28that the legislator prepared this law with this in mind. Especially
00:11:32yesterday, Özgür Özel will speak soon, eee
00:11:35until yesterday afternoon, we were in complete uncertainty. Just as we were about to go off
00:11:39air, it was sent to the parties, and after that,
00:11:42what was in the content of the law
00:11:43yes
00:11:47there are 300 top managers, they are excluded. What
00:11:51will happen to them? It's not
00:11:54here. Will they deal with it later? I mean, will
00:11:57this precede their situation? Let the process
00:12:01progress. Let it get back on track, let the
00:12:05weapons be laid down, but will those 300 people say
00:12:09if we become unarmed, it won't work?
00:12:12Or they say those who got involved before 2005
00:12:16are excluded. How many people were there before 2005?
00:12:19MIT probably has this file.
00:12:22Those who did not participate in intentional killing
00:12:25are not pardoned, that is, they are not covered by this.
00:12:29Is there a very detailed list of who
00:12:32participated and who didn't? For example,
00:12:36there are village raids, clashes. Those
00:12:38who participated in those clashes, who killed our soldiers, here
00:12:42or in Iraq, our soldiers died in Iraq,
00:12:45we gave martyrs in Syria. They probably have a list of who participated
00:12:49and who didn't. Ali, Veli, Hüseyin
00:12:53participated in this... or these did not participate.
00:12:56So, there are some question marks
00:12:59that we cannot solve, but what I focus on the most
00:13:03is what will happen to this KCK? What will
00:13:05happen to KCK? Until today, it wasn't there.
00:13:09We were going PKK, PKK, PKK. When you say
00:13:13PKK and KCK, you are talking about
00:13:16something that covers Syria,
00:13:19Iraq, Iran and Turkey. We are talking about a disarmament
00:13:23initiative.
00:13:25This is a question mark.
00:13:28Now, we will continue to discuss those question marks. On the other hand,
00:13:32live images are coming to your screens. We also expect
00:13:35Özgür Özel to make a statement shortly. Now, let's also talk
00:13:38about this process, eee to our esteemed viewers,
00:13:42eee since July 13th, in Güvenpark, Ankara,
00:13:45the veterans and relatives of martyr soldiers,
00:13:49and the veterans with the status of private and corporal,
00:13:51are continuing their protests. What do they want?
00:13:55Let's also explain that, what do they demand?
00:13:57Equal personal rights without regard to rank.
00:14:01This is actually a very just demand, isn't it?
00:14:05A veteran is a veteran, a veteran is a veteran, isn't he? A martyr is a
00:14:08martyr. There is no such thing as a major being a martyr
00:14:12and a private being a martyr, or a veteran. It's the
00:14:15same in the hearts of the people anyway. You say that for these lands, someone
00:14:19has lost an arm, lost a leg, regardless of their rank, once
00:14:23they become a veteran, they have reached the highest rank. Of course, eee they came
00:14:27to Ankara from all 81 provinces of Turkey.
00:14:30They are trying to explain this for a long time,
00:14:33for example, about prosthesis support, they state that they are
00:14:37experiencing a problem here. They want veterans with private and corporal
00:14:41status to benefit from the same rights as other military
00:14:43personnel. So, these are their demands, and as
00:14:47we stated earlier, they have been continuing their protests
00:14:50there since July 13th. They started a hunger strike. Özgür Özel is also
00:14:54there, as you can see. They are bringing up their serious
00:14:58grievances. The statement has started, let's listen.
00:15:01May those whose hands I could not shake forgive me. I greet
00:15:05everyone once again with respect. Today,
00:15:08here, after 25 days, yes, we are together
00:15:12once again. On the first day of the protest,
00:15:15as the elected chairman of the Republican People's Party,
00:15:19this is my last visit on my
00:15:22behalf. I made the first visit
00:15:33here. As the chairman, with our deputies and vice chairmen,
00:15:35we are here with you.
00:15:39You expressed your determination that day,
00:15:41all together, and you stated that you would not
00:15:45leave here. For 25 days,
00:15:48you fulfilled the requirements of that determination.
00:15:52Even for 5 days, with a hunger strike
00:15:55that started, you raised
00:15:59your protest to the highest level.
00:16:03As I said on the first day,
00:16:05today I want to say
00:16:09that we will be with you until
00:16:13you get results, until your rights are given,
00:16:17until everyone says "I am satisfied
00:16:20with these regulations." We are with you and behind you. First and foremost,
00:16:24I express
00:16:25this support.
00:16:30Now, with me is Admiral Yankı Bağcıoğlu,
00:16:33whom you constantly mentioned when I was
00:16:39not here. He served as Vice Chairman
00:16:43and he was our Shadow Minister
00:16:46of National Defense
00:16:49gelmez
00:16:52He constantly contacted
00:16:54both the families of martyrs
00:16:57and veterans
00:16:59who formed organized structures
00:17:02in Turkey, and the families of
00:17:06martyrs. He brought us together many
00:17:09times. He visited
00:17:13over 250 associations in Turkey.
00:17:16He organized a workshop in Istanbul.
00:17:20I was there on the last day, all of you were there.
00:17:23All associations, all foundations, all
00:17:27structures. And a comprehensive
00:17:31preparation, we all left that hall saying it would
00:17:34be like this. In total,
00:17:38net 19 demands
00:17:41and a total of 18 changes in laws.
00:17:44If this is done,
00:17:48everyone would say "my problem is solved." We prepared such a proposal,
00:17:52I personally signed it, and
00:17:55this week, as the new party chairman and deputies,
00:17:59we also signed it. That day, we were at the head
00:18:02of the Republican People's Party, and the proposal
00:18:05went to the relevant
00:18:08commission and commissions you mentioned earlier,
00:18:11and has been waiting there for two years. If that proposal
00:18:14became law, no martyr's family
00:18:18or veteran in Turkey would have
00:18:22any more expectations or unresolved
00:18:25demands. It is such a proposal, and
00:18:28everyone agrees, you also agree,
00:18:31all associations, all families agree. So, as you
00:18:35mentioned earlier, the solution to all
00:18:39problems is in the parliament.
00:18:4325 days ago, we were at a worse
00:18:46point, in this regard, your created
00:18:49awareness and struggle contributed to this.
00:18:52From those 19 articles,
00:18:55a proposal concerning three
00:18:58of them was prepared by the AK Party,
00:19:00as if all problems
00:19:03were being solved. It was submitted
00:19:066 hours after
00:19:08our comprehensive proposal, and they are communicating
00:19:11about this. We need to sit
00:19:14crooked and talk straight. The submitted
00:19:17proposal is certainly
00:19:20better than nothing. What happens?
00:19:23It solves some problems. What does it solve? Let me tell
00:19:27you, Commander, if I miss anything, you will complete
00:19:31it. First, there was something we always
00:19:35said. We were saying that
00:19:38when we lose a veteran's
00:19:41family or a martyred private,
00:19:45when we have a martyred
00:19:48officer, the family of a martyred soldier
00:19:51receives the same
00:19:54salary as if their contemporary
00:19:57gets promoted, gets a rank, up to colonelcy.
00:20:00However, here, not only is there no such
00:20:03thing, but their salaries
00:20:07are extremely low, you stated it, we were ashamed,
00:20:118,000 lira, 10,000 lira, 22,000 lira. Our basic
00:20:14approach at this point
00:20:17was that if a private was martyred, his family
00:20:21should be given a salary equivalent to a specialized
00:20:24sergeant. In the law, they wrote
00:20:28"up to a minimum wage."
00:20:30It's lower than the expectation
00:20:33of the past. Secondly,
00:20:36"You just said that in the regulation,
00:20:39we were proposing an honor
00:20:43pension for those who were not considered
00:20:46veterans. In our regulation, they themselves
00:20:52have included something like a 17,000 additional indicator.
00:20:54It's better than nothing,
00:20:57but far below
00:20:59expectations.
00:21:01On the other
00:21:03hand,
00:21:06we had regulations regarding
00:21:10those who were wounded but not considered
00:21:13disabled. In this regard,
00:21:17there is also a regulation
00:21:20far below expectations.
00:21:23Now, these are better than nothing,
00:21:26but they certainly do not meet
00:21:29expectations. It is important to improve these,
00:21:32but there is an opportunity ahead of us for the other 16
00:21:35articles. As you said earlier,
00:21:39there is a framework law.
00:21:42The parties who signed it yesterday
00:21:45proposed it. We met with lawyers,
00:21:49and we will work today. In the commission too...
00:21:52Our basic approach is this:
00:21:56we advocate for the complete silencing of weapons,
00:22:00for not a single weapon to remain in the hands of the domestic
00:22:02terrorist organization, for permanent
00:22:06disarmament, and for all regulations
00:22:09to be made on a democratic basis so that no more blood
00:22:13is shed in Turkey. This has been our thousand-year-old
00:22:16idea, and we advocate for it to be discussed
00:22:20in parliament." At the same
00:22:22time,
00:22:25we find it insincere to create
00:22:28an impression as if the problems
00:22:31of veterans and martyr families are being solved.
00:22:34The 19-article law is there. We will defend
00:22:37every stage of it, and I want
00:22:41everyone to know once again
00:22:45that the expectations of veteran soldiers
00:22:48or the families of early martyrs have not been met in any way,
00:22:52and that we will follow this matter
00:22:55to the very end. We are going
00:22:59through difficult times.
00:23:01While we were elected
00:23:05in the Republican People's Party, we were
00:23:09removed from the management of our party by a coup,
00:23:12our party was taken away, our presidential
00:23:15candidate was kept in prison, brilliant, very young
00:23:19mayors... Some of those
00:23:22who were kept in prison and threatened with prison
00:23:26changed parties, even the women's provincial
00:23:29chairperson of my own province in Manisa was taken
00:23:33away, and now they brought her back. Our party
00:23:36is being subjected to great oppression. Under these
00:23:40circumstances,
00:23:41under your objections,
00:23:44in Turkey, we are in a very difficult
00:23:48situation in a process where it is stated
00:23:51and reported in state institutions
00:23:54that the cessation of terrorism in Syria, Iraq,
00:23:58Iran, and Turkey would be important
00:24:01for Turkey's national interests and security.
00:24:05While we are experiencing
00:24:07the pains and seeing the difficulties
00:24:11that make us say, "damn everything
00:24:14you've done and everything
00:24:17you will do," Turkey is rotting
00:24:20for a while. Under these conditions,
00:24:23believe me,
00:24:27we are following the issue as carefully
00:24:30as you are. We are following all sensitivities carefully.
00:24:33Just as we were in a sensitive position on the first
00:24:37day, we are at the same point today. I have always
00:24:40said that we would never be involved
00:24:43in things that would make us unable
00:24:46to face the families of martyrs
00:24:50and veterans. From the perspective of Turkey's
00:24:53future, the end of terrorism, and to prevent
00:24:56more veterans and martyrs, we are approaching
00:24:59the cessation of terrorism and democratic issues
00:25:03from the right place.
00:25:06Let me state this once again, it is the most
00:25:09important issue.
00:25:11We are talking about 5500 people here, 5,500
00:25:14people. Since there
00:25:18will be no terrorism from now on,
00:25:22since there will be no terrorism
00:25:25from now on, since
00:25:28there will be no more bloodshed
00:25:31and no more
00:25:33clashes from now on,
00:25:37since military service is no longer
00:25:40like it was during the period when our 33
00:25:43martyrs died, and we lost our surviving veteran, may God have mercy on him,
00:25:47and since our 18-year-old
00:25:51children, whose hands were hennaed
00:25:54and sent off,
00:25:58are no longer losing their lives in compulsory military
00:26:00service, and now,
00:26:04almost all of those involved in the fight against terrorism
00:26:08are at the level of a professional army, since
00:26:11there will be no more veterans and martyrs,
00:26:14well, in such an important process,
00:26:17those who have lost an arm, a leg, an eye,
00:26:20their lives. This problem must
00:26:24now be solved for their families or themselves. For heaven's sake,
00:26:275500 people, families,
00:26:31close ones.
00:27:03If not, we will do this. I won't put it at the very top.
00:27:06Let's put it here. Let's not take away the honor
00:27:10of the first signatory. I'll put it at the bottom
00:27:13of the first page. Okay, sir. Also, since
00:27:17it is about us since the establishment
00:27:20of your new party,
00:27:22thank you very much. Say it if you want.
00:27:26Mr. Chairman, the first law
00:27:29proposal of your new party,
00:27:33of our party, being about the families of martyrs
00:27:37and veterans is very valuable
00:27:41to us. Thank you very
00:27:42much, sir.
00:27:49I will say one sentence. Dear members
00:27:52of the press, I know your agenda
00:27:55is full, there are many
00:27:59a rule, we did it last time, and it went very well.
00:28:02We don't talk about anything else here, so this can be news.
00:28:06Now, while I'm going to the parliament, you write this news,
00:28:09let the demands be news, let what you said be news. I'm going to the parliament.
00:28:13I'll be in the parliament all day. After our meetings
00:28:17in the parliament, when I leave,
00:28:20I will answer your questions regarding the other
00:28:22agenda items in the parliament. So that no other agenda item overshadows
00:28:26the demands of our martyr families,
00:28:30our veteran soldiers, and their families,
00:28:32we are leaving without discussing
00:28:34any other topic than this.
00:28:44I said we didn't sign it. Don't sign
00:28:46the framework law, we didn't sign it. But
00:28:50something else. We are the social media
00:28:54manager here. He wanted a badge.
00:28:56Can our veterans
00:29:03ask the people of Ankara for support
00:29:06very briefly? Okay, we've always
00:29:10done it, but...
00:29:17Yes, the images came live on your screens. The new Party
00:29:21Chairman Özgür Özel met with the relatives of martyr soldiers and veterans
00:29:25in Güvenpark. He made a visit to support
00:29:28their rights struggle. The hunger strike continues on the other hand.
00:30:02The first law proposal given by the party
00:30:05was about veterans and martyr relatives. Meanwhile,
00:30:09another breaking news on your screens. The meeting
00:30:12between President Erdoğan and MHP leader Bahçeli will be held today at 2 PM.
00:30:16Eee President Erdoğan will receive Bahçeli
00:30:19at Beştepe. Erdoğan and Bahçeli. will meet today. What do you think
00:30:23they will talk about? Bahçeli will probably
00:30:26bring up whether the trustees should be removed
00:30:29or not.
00:30:34I don't know if he will bring up issues like Selahattin Demirtaş's home,
00:30:38but he says these things and yet
00:30:41he hasn't insisted on them. I think he's making a statement. Let's listen
00:30:44to him briefly. We learned that even those who are very sick
00:30:47are on hunger strike during this process.
00:30:50We believe that the purpose
00:30:53has been achieved and the voice has been heard.
00:30:57I am sharing our thoughts with you
00:31:00regarding the need for
00:31:02those with illnesses to stop these actions
00:31:06without jeopardizing their health. See you."
00:31:09There are signature campaigns
00:31:13regarding the problems
00:31:23and personal rights we mentioned here.
00:31:27They have collected many signatures
00:31:29and the number continues to grow. They have collected
00:31:33tens of thousands of signatures.
00:31:36I also supported them by signing.
00:31:40I invite the people of Ankara to come here
00:31:43and support this campaign.
00:32:15Özgür Özel also signed at the bottom of the page. Of course,
00:32:18what he said about the hunger strike was also important. Now,
00:32:22we had talked about the timing of this
00:32:25visit, this support visit. We said that this visit
00:32:28was important in the midst of this traffic,
00:32:31especially since the framework law had just come to the parliament.
00:32:34We have always advocated for these regulations to be made
00:32:38in the parliament and we will continue to advocate
00:32:42for them, said Özgür Özel. In previous
00:32:45processes, they were done outside the parliament, and they
00:32:49were
00:32:51not completed, they were left unfinished, and we can say
00:32:54that some factors intervened and prevented them.
00:32:58The Habur entry in 2009 was a disaster.
00:33:01I am reading today that at that time, many articles
00:33:05were written saying that they were entering Habur and that this was over.
00:33:09After that, those who came,
00:33:13courts were set up in tents there, the prosecutor and judge
00:33:17went to the tent, the PKK members who came
00:33:20said they were PKK members, but they were told no, you are not.
00:33:24They kept all their records
00:33:27on buses, calling it a symbolic group,
00:33:30but then when they walked around
00:33:33in their clothes and demonstrated,
00:33:37Turkey became tense. Those who said this was an important
00:33:41step at the time are now calling it the Habur
00:33:45disaster. Why didn't you say that then?
00:33:48At that time, they were shouting at those who called it the Habur
00:33:51disaster, saying, "Are you against this?" Now,
00:33:5510, 16, 17 years
00:33:58have passed since 2009. Today,
00:34:01I am reading that everyone is saying, "Let's not have
00:34:05bir daha bu süreç çok dikkatli olalım diyorlar ama o gün
00:34:08in this process." But there were also journalists
00:34:12who praised it in their headlines at the time. I'm talking
00:34:15about what they wrote in their columns. The same thing happened in 2015.
00:34:18This is going on. A great consensus, monitoring committees,
00:34:22wise people. While they were saying, "Look how," the table was suddenly
00:34:25overturned. Now they are angry about
00:34:27that too. At that time, you were applauding, now you are applauding
00:34:31this too. I hope this will lead to salvation.
00:34:34The path followed by the government
00:34:38in the presidential election campaign was also applauded
00:34:40at that time, and this is also being applauded. That applause continues. No,
00:34:44this time it's different. Look, there are 360 deputies' signatures.
00:34:48The difference from them
00:34:51is that in the Justice Commission, with the participation
00:34:54of parties and deputies, it is now said
00:34:58that this framework law was kept secret from the parties
00:35:01for a long time, even from their own
00:35:05deputies, let alone
00:35:09the opposition parties. Yes, they even wanted
00:35:13us to be kept secret from their own deputies. Some criticized
00:35:16this, it's possible, but I found it somewhat normal
00:35:20because when something is being prepared, a small leak
00:35:23would prevent it
00:35:27or slow down
00:35:30a roadmap or
00:35:33something else would be cherry-picked
00:35:36and the discussion would go in a completely different direction.
00:35:39That's why I think it was kept very secret. 3-4 people
00:35:42working on it knew about it. Then,
00:35:45before it was presented, all party deputies learned about it,
00:35:49and we also learned about it. But did we learn
00:35:52late? It will start
00:35:56at 3 PM on Friday in the Justice Commission.
00:35:59Now, do the opposition parties have time
00:36:03to work on it? Isn't it Thursday
00:36:07today? It was given yesterday. On Friday,
00:36:10do the members of the Justice Commission have time
00:36:14to work on it and develop a strategy? There are 12 articles
00:36:16in the example or what they will propose.
00:36:20There is also a commission
00:36:23they work with, isn't there? National Unity, Brotherhood, and Democracy.
00:36:36The extent to which it is reflected will be discussed in the Justice Commission,
00:36:40and then there will be a general assembly on another platform.
00:36:44So, there is an opportunity to discuss
00:36:47this or to explain to the public
00:36:50what has been overlooked. Starting from Friday,
00:36:54when will this law be, Saturday or Sunday?
00:36:58Will it go to the general assembly on Tuesday next week? It's
00:37:01not clear yet, but there is a platform, so there is a platform.
00:37:05Perhaps our viewers who haven't followed this process throughout the day
00:37:08might be curious about what's in the draft law
00:37:12and how the process will proceed. Today, we will bring
00:37:15Mehmet Teskan's article to the screens shortly. There
00:37:19is an important emphasis that he says they will lay down
00:37:23arms, but this will only come into force after
00:37:26the National Security Council's
00:37:33determination in this regard. The purpose of this law
00:37:36is the detection by security institutions that the PKK KCK
00:37:39terrorist organization and all related formations
00:37:43have ceased to exist. The bill prepared
00:37:46for the process was submitted to the parliament
00:37:49after the publication of the National Security
00:37:53Council decision in the official gazette.
00:37:56Discussions on the proposal, which is named "Strengthening
00:38:00National Solidarity and Social Integration", will begin
00:38:04in the Justice Commission on Friday. Our
00:38:07Justice Commission Chairman will make the necessary invitations
00:38:10for the commission meeting on Friday. The draft law
00:38:13consists of 12 articles. The immediate laying down
00:38:16of arms by members of the organization, the self-dissolution and complete
00:38:19liquidation of the organization, and the integration of
00:38:22its members into society. Those who received aggravated
00:38:26life sentences or committed crimes requiring aggravated
00:38:29life sentences before June 2005
00:38:32will be excluded from the scope of the law,
00:38:36except for those who committed murder, intentional
00:38:39murder, and those who received life
00:38:42imprisonment or aggravated life imprisonment before
00:38:462005 and whose sentences are in the execution stage.
00:38:49For individuals who have received sentences
00:38:52for actions such as being a member of,
00:38:56managing, aiding, abetting, or propagandizing
00:38:59for the organization, there will be a 5-year
00:39:03deferment for sentences up to 15 years,
00:39:06special monitoring, and for those
00:39:09with sentences of over 15 years
00:39:12or life imprisonment, there will be a 10-year
00:39:16deferment and monitoring. AK Party Group Chairman
00:39:20Abdullah Güler stated that there is no article
00:39:23regarding Öcalan's status, but discussions
00:39:26may be held in the future. In subsequent processes,
00:39:30visits by academics and journalists to Imralı
00:39:33can be carried out within administrative regulations
00:39:37with a certain discipline and adherence to rules,
00:39:41but there is no need for a legal regulation
00:39:45or status for this, friends. The execution of sentences
00:39:49for those sentenced to 15 years or more
00:39:52will be deferred for 5 years. For those sentenced
00:39:55to more than 15 years,
00:39:58life imprisonment, or aggravated life imprisonment,
00:40:01the execution of their sentences will be deferred for 10 years.
00:40:04If any crime is committed during
00:40:07the deferment period, the said decision will be revoked,
00:40:11and the investigation and prosecution will continue.
00:40:14I wish them luck. We are forming
00:40:17a committee chaired by our Vice President,
00:40:20consisting of the Ministries of Interior, Justice,
00:40:23Foreign Affairs, National Defense,
00:40:26the General Secretariat of the National Security
00:40:29Council, the Presidency of the National Intelligence Organization,
00:40:33and the General Secretariat of the Presidency. This
00:40:36committee will monitor this process by obtaining
00:40:40all kinds of information and documents from other
00:40:43public institutions and organizations through periodic meetings.
00:40:46The entry into force of the draft law, which
00:40:50is expected to be brought to the General Assembly,
00:40:53will be subject to the determination and confirmation
00:40:55of the National Security Council. Yes, as you can see,
00:40:58Abdullah Güler explained it this way. He said
00:41:02that it will not cover members of the organization
00:41:05who have committed crimes. He said that the entry
00:41:09into force of the law will be subject
00:41:12to the determination of the National Security Council.
00:41:16Now, Mehmet Teskan also wrote about this issue
00:41:19today on halktv.com, and he says
00:41:23it is the key condition of the PKK law. Now,
00:41:27as Abdullah Güler also stated, Mehmet Teskan also starts
00:41:31this way today. There will be no amnesty for those
00:41:35who commit murder and kill our soldiers and police. PKK leaders,
00:41:38including Öcalan, are also excluded. A conditional amnesty
00:41:42will be granted to the rest, but how? Now,
00:41:45there is a condition here, let's look at it.
00:41:48If the PKK completely lays down its arms.
00:41:51This is the condition. This is the key article of the law.
00:41:55This is where the process is difficult, critical,
00:41:58and fragile. Ankara says, "Hey PKK,
00:42:01lay down your arms. Let the National Security Council
00:42:05confirm that you have laid them down. The law will come into force
00:42:09on that day. It will remain in force for 6 months,
00:42:13and the problem will be over." Let me state
00:42:16that the law will not come into force and be implemented
00:42:19as soon as it passes the parliament.
00:42:22As soon as the law passes the parliament, prisons
00:42:26will not be emptied. PKK members who have not committed murder
00:42:30will not come to Turkey freely. The approval
00:42:33of the NSC will be awaited. What has been discussed
00:42:37for a long time was this: Kandil says
00:42:41that Ankara should make the necessary
00:42:45legal arrangements, our legal security
00:42:48should be ensured, and we will burn our weapons.
00:42:51Ankara was saying that the PKK should lay down
00:42:55its arms and evacuate its camps. We will
00:42:58make the legal arrangements. The issue was stuck
00:43:00at this point. Ankara took
00:43:04a half-step and threw the ball
00:43:08to the PKK. The ball is now
00:43:12in Kandil's court. If Kandil acts quickly
00:43:15and genuinely bids farewell to arms by the end
00:43:18of the summer, and if the necessary
00:43:21institutions, including the MIT, confirm this
00:43:24and the NSC verifies it (i.e., if the National
00:43:28Security Council verifies it), the process will succeed. If Kandil
00:43:32drags its feet, saying, "We don't
00:43:35trust Ankara,"
00:43:37and turns laying down arms into a stalling
00:43:40tactic, and if it thinks, "The Middle East is boiling,
00:43:43let's wait a bit longer and see what happens,"
00:43:47Mehmet Teskan says the process will break down.
00:43:51Of course, the continuation of the article
00:43:53is on halktv.com. We should also announce
00:43:57this to our viewers.
00:43:59Now, there is an issue of trust
00:44:03and assurance. We were saying, "Let's leave
00:44:06it, but," the PKK
00:44:10was saying, "We need assurance, legal assurance."
00:44:13And Ankara was saying, "We don't
00:44:16trust you. What if we give you assurances,
00:44:20make legal arrangements, and you don't give up?"
00:44:23This was the issue. Now, a formula
00:44:27has been found, and I guess Öcalan also said yes
00:44:30to this formula, saying, "Let's take a step,
00:44:34the rest will follow." Now, if this
00:44:37law passes the parliament, it provides
00:44:40certain assurances. The law
00:44:43that the Grand National Assembly of Turkey
00:44:46will enact says to the PKK and Kandil,
00:44:50"These are the assurances I will give you today.
00:44:53Now, start laying down your arms.
00:44:56Don't deceive me, don't stall. If
00:45:00it is confirmed that you have laid them down," who will
00:45:04do this? MIT or military intelligence,
00:45:07that is, the people who will follow this
00:45:10up. If they say, "Yes, they have laid them down," then the law
00:45:14will come into force. The National Security Council
00:45:18will do this. Now, the ball is in the PKK's
00:45:21court, as I said.
00:45:22The PKK will now
00:45:25look at those 250-300 high-level leaders
00:45:28I mentioned earlier. I don't know their situation.
00:45:32Will they lay down their arms or will they say, "We
00:45:35won't lay them down, we are outside
00:45:38the law, that is, we are excluded"?
00:45:42Or will a group there, how many people
00:45:46are there from before 2005, I don't know,
00:45:49will they also step aside? But if the majority
00:45:51says yes, and if the majority
00:45:55if they also stepped aside, yes, we are laying down
00:45:58our arms,
00:46:01sarf eden tüm siyasi
00:46:04partilere partimiz adına teşekkür etmek isteriz,
00:46:08yalnızca siyasi partiler değil, "toplumsal dinamikler de
00:46:12süreci bugüne getirdi, aslında geç kalındı, geç
00:46:15kalınmış olsa da bu yeni başlangıç, çok önemli
00:46:19bir başlangıç, tekrar ediyorum, bu adımı eksikleri dolayısıyla
00:46:23küçümsemek, görmezden gelmek veya
00:46:26reddetmek, bunun yerine
00:46:30eksiklerini, toplumsal mücadeleyi büyüterek en
00:46:33geniş siyasal uzlaşı ve kararlılıkla
00:46:37tamamlama çağrısı yapıyoruz." "
00:46:41Bu teklif ortak geleceği birlikte
00:46:43kurabileceğimiz hukuki zeminin ilk
00:46:46taşı. Bundan sonra tarihsel
00:46:49değerinin doğru anlaşılması ve uygulanmas.
00:46:53için ardından gelecek demokratik düzenlemelere tabii ki
00:46:57ihtiyacımız var, nitekim buna
00:47:00doğrudan ve açık bir şekilde yasa teklifinin
00:47:03gerekçesinde de biliyorsunuz gönderme
00:47:06yapılıyor. Teklif
00:47:08hakkında son derece haklı
00:47:12kaygılarla çeşitli değerlendirmeler de yapılıyor,
00:47:15kimi pozitif, kimi eleştiriler, eleştirel olması gerektiği
00:47:19gibi. Ancak biz parti olarak. diyoruz ki, içinde
00:47:23bulunduğumuz anda sorulması gereken temel soru,
00:47:26teklifin tek başına bütün beklentileri karşılayıp
00:47:30karşılamadığından ziyade önümüzde açılan
00:47:33tarihsel imkanı
00:47:36nasıl değerlendireceğimiz ve nasıl bir yolu birlikte
00:47:39inşa edeceğimiz?
00:47:42yine teklifin kapsamı çok tartışılıyor, daha da
00:47:46tartışılacak, ama dünden bu yana teklifin kapsamı ile
00:47:49ilgili zaten...
00:47:52açık ortada bazı bilgiler
00:47:55var, yasada, teklif hukuki belirsizliği
00:47:59tabii ki sonsuza kadar sürdürmemeli.
00:48:03Teklif bir yol açıyor, ülkeyeye dönüş yolu
00:48:06açıyor. Ülkeye dönmek,
00:48:09silahlı çatışmadan demokratik hayata
00:48:12geçmek, ilk kez ayrıntılı ve
00:48:16öngörülebilir bir hukuk prosedürüne
00:48:19bağlanıyor. Onlarca yasa yapıldı Türkiye'de. bugüne
00:48:22kadar. Geçmişte çıkarılan düzenlemelerin bir
00:48:26bölümü bireysel kopuş, etkin
00:48:29pişmanlık, itiraf veya bilgi verme anlayışı
00:48:32üzerine kurulmuştu biliyorsunuz. Ve
00:48:34hiçbiri soruna çare olmadı.
00:48:38Aksine çözümsüzlüğü derinleştirdi,
00:48:41aksine acıları arttırdı. Ancak ilk
00:48:44kez bu teklif, örgütün
00:48:47fesi ve silahsızlanması sonrasında ortaya
00:48:51çıkan... kolektif durumu düzenleyen bir yaklaşım
00:48:55içeriyor ve biz bu yaklaşımı önemsiyoruz.
00:48:58Şimdi açıklamalar önemli, süreç itibariyla başlıklara bakacağız. Bu
00:49:01teklif ortak bir geleceğin ilk taşı diyor Ayşe Güldoğan. Eksikleri
00:49:05var ama bu eksikler dolayısıyla küçümsemeyin diye de ekliyor.
00:49:09Bakacağız ayrıntılara. O zaman araya gitmeden önce hızla bir kez daha
00:49:12Ankara'ya gidelim, orada Eda Erdağa bizi
00:49:15bekliyor. Eee, yine bir başka önemli
00:49:17görüşme. Uğur Mumcu'nun
00:49:20of the Den Party, is speaking. Let's listen to her.
00:49:24"This is an inevitable situation by the nature
00:49:27of this process. Of course, different ideas were discussed,
00:49:31all these were debated.
00:49:34As a result,
00:49:35we would like
00:49:41to thank all political parties on behalf of our party
00:49:45for their constructive contributions and efforts
00:49:49regarding the draft law that has emerged
00:49:52and the approach to this proposal.
00:49:55Not only political parties, but also social dynamics
00:49:59have brought the process to this point. In fact,
00:50:03it's late, but even though it's late, this new
00:50:06beginning is a very important beginning. I repeat,
00:50:09we call for not underestimating, ignoring, or
00:50:12rejecting this step due to its shortcomings,
00:50:15but rather for completing its shortcomings by expanding
00:50:19the social struggle with the broadest possible
00:50:22political consensus and determination."
00:50:26This proposal is the first
00:50:29stone of the legal foundation on which we can build
00:50:33a common future. From now on,
00:50:36for its historical value to be correctly
00:50:40understood and implemented, we naturally need
00:50:43democratic regulations to follow. As you know, this is directly
00:50:47and clearly referred to in the justification
00:50:51of the draft law. There are also
00:50:54evaluations made about the proposal
00:50:57with very valid concerns, some positive,
00:51:01some critical, as it should be. However,
00:51:04as a party, we say that the main
00:51:07question that needs to be asked at this moment
00:51:10is not whether the proposal alone meets all
00:51:14expectations, but rather
00:51:17how we will evaluate the historical opportunity
00:51:20that has opened up before
00:51:28us and what kind of path we will build together.
00:51:32Again, the scope of the proposal is much debated
00:51:35and will continue to be debated,
00:51:39but since yesterday, there is already some clear
00:51:43information about the scope of the proposal
00:51:46in the law. The proposal, of course,
00:51:50should not perpetuate legal uncertainty indefinitely.
00:52:05The proposal opens a path, it opens a path
00:52:08for return to the country. Returning to the country,
00:52:12transitioning from armed conflict to democratic
00:52:15life, is for the first time linked to
00:52:19a detailed and predictable legal procedure.
00:52:23Dozens of laws have been made in Turkey so far.
00:52:26A part of the regulations enacted in the past
00:52:29were based on individual secession, effective
00:52:33remorse, confession, or providing information,
00:52:36as you know. And none of them
00:52:39solved the problem.
00:52:58On the contrary, it deepened the lack of solutions,
00:53:01and
00:53:09on the contrary, it increased
00:53:12the pain. However, for the first time,
00:53:15this proposal contains an approach
00:53:29that regulates the collective situation
00:53:32that arises after the dissolution and disarmament
00:53:37of the organization, and we consider
00:53:41this approach important.
00:53:47Now, the statements
00:53:47are important. We will look
00:53:52at the headings in terms of the process. Ayşe Güldoğan
00:53:55says that this proposal
00:53:56is the first stone
00:54:00of a common future.
00:54:02She also adds,
00:54:04"It has shortcomings,
00:54:18but don't underestimate it because of these shortcomings."
00:54:20We will look at the details. Before we go to a break,
00:54:24let's quickly go to Ankara once more. Eda Erdağ
00:54:28is waiting for us there.
00:54:29Another
00:54:32important
00:54:35meeting. Uğur Mumcu's
00:54:38family is visiting the Minister of Justice
00:54:42Akın Gürlek. Previously, Minister Gürlek had met
00:54:46with the family of former Special Operations Chief
00:54:49Behçet Oktay. It will be an important
00:54:52meeting. Details are with Eda Erdağ.
00:54:56Eda. Bilge Yurtta Gülen.
00:54:59As you said, two very important meetings
00:55:03are taking place today at the Ministry of Justice.
00:55:07Minister of Justice Akın Gürlek met with the family
00:55:10of journalist and writer Uğur Mumcu.
00:55:13The meeting started at these minutes.
00:55:17It was announced that the meeting would start around 11:30
00:55:20and Uğur Mumcu's family entered.
00:55:24Akın Gürlek had made important statements
00:55:27regarding unsolved murders in recent days.
00:55:31He had announced that some files
00:55:35would be re-examined to shed light on unsolved
00:56:10murders. Gürlek had said that Uğur Mumcu's
00:56:14file would also be examined within this scope.
00:56:17Uğur Mumcu
00:56:21lost his life in a bomb attack
00:56:24that took place in front of his house
00:56:27in Ankara on January 24, 1993. He died as a result
00:56:31of an assassination. Uğur Mumcu's family had requested a meeting
00:56:35with Justice Minister
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00:57:55The taste of Turkey, Sarıkola presents.
01:00:21We took a break, we're back together. The cause and effect continues. We're
01:00:24with our second hour, Mehmet Teskan is with us.
01:00:28Now, before we move on to Mehmet Teskan's comments, let's
01:00:31go to Ankara once again. Dilan Altürk is waiting for us
01:00:35at the Grand National Assembly of Turkey in Ankara, with Aşkın
01:00:38Özdemir. The Parliament is busy. The framework law traffic
01:00:42continues. In this regard, there are important developments,
01:00:45of course. For example, what will be the attitude of the new
01:00:49party? We just brought Özgür Özel's statements to your screens.
01:00:52That traffic continues. On the other hand, immunities
01:00:55and dossiers are being discussed in Parliament. There is a
01:00:59critical meeting. Deputy Speaker of the Grand National Assembly
01:01:02of Turkey, Tekim Bingöl, will meet with Parliament Speaker Numan
01:01:05Kurtulmuş regarding the dossiers received about the MPs. The
01:01:09dossier regarding Özgür Özel and Veli
01:01:11Ağbaba had arrived, and thus Özgür
01:01:15Özel is the MP with the most dossiers against
01:01:27him, with 61 files. He had also shown his reaction
01:01:30in the general assembly, and yesterday he met with the
01:01:34group deputy speakers regarding the dossiers, because Özgür
01:01:37Özel had stated yesterday in the general assembly that
01:01:39every time he speaks, a new dossier is opened against
01:01:43him, and he indicated today that he would
01:01:46have a meeting with Numan
01:01:56Kurtulmuş on the dossiers. The dossier files that were initiated,
01:02:00and of course, whether these will come to the agenda
01:02:03of the parliament and be discussed in the mixed
01:02:06commission will also be watched. At the same time, there
01:02:10will be activity in the new party today at 13:00.
01:02:13You know, the process law was submitted to the parliament
01:02:16yesterday. The new party had not signed it, and
01:02:20their justification was that they would not sign a
01:02:23draft they did not know or see. However, Özgür
01:02:26Özel will gather his legal staff today and they will
01:02:30hold a meeting at 13:00. Along with the staff,
01:02:33the notes that will come out of there will be important,
01:02:36because the constitution, justice, and the staff of the
01:02:40new party will be in the meeting, and
01:02:43of course, with the result, we will see the
01:02:47clear stance of the new party on this law. Actually,
01:02:50Özgür Özel had stated in his statement yesterday
01:02:54that mistakes were made, but their general attitude
01:02:58is the same. We will learn what kind of reflection
01:03:02those statements will have today in minutes. Of course,
01:03:05the law proposal regarding the strengthening of national
01:03:08solidarity and social integration was submitted yesterday. It
01:03:11consisted of 12 articles. Today, Erdoğan and Bahçeli
01:03:15will have a meeting at Beştepe at 14:00. It
01:03:18will be a critical meeting between Erdoğan and Bahçeli. It will be
01:03:22the third meeting of the year, and in the
01:03:26previous two meetings, the process was on the
01:03:30agenda, and details regarding the process were shared
01:03:33between the two. And today, the two names
01:03:36will make some evaluations regarding the process law.
01:03:39Yesterday, there was an MGK meeting in AK
01:03:42Party, and Erdoğan thanked Bahçeli, who was the
01:03:46first to sign this process. Therefore, it
01:03:50is expected that this law proposal will be
01:03:53on their agenda today. Discussions will start in
01:03:56the Justice Commission on Friday, after 10:15.
01:04:00It is expected to come to the General Assembly
01:04:03on Sunday. It consists of 12 articles, and
01:04:07of course, all AK Party members signed this
01:04:10draft law, but in the MGK meeting held
01:04:14yesterday, we saw in the corridors that some
01:04:18AK Party members expressed concerns about whether they
01:04:22would get into trouble later, even though they
01:04:25signed it. We can state that some deputies expressed
01:04:28such concerns today. However,
01:04:30there is a detail in the 10th article of this
01:04:33law proposal. It states that there will be
01:04:36no criminal liability for the names involved in
01:04:40this law proposal for future processes. Of course, this
01:04:44concern of AK Party members stems from the
01:04:47previous solution process. Sırrı Süreyya Önder, one of
01:04:51the actors of the previous solution process,
01:04:54was tried. We can state that the deputies who
01:04:57signed this process draft also have similar concerns.
01:05:00It is expected that the new party's decision
01:05:04will be finalized today, because it will come
01:05:07to the Justice Commission tomorrow, and the deputies
01:05:10in the Justice Commission will discuss the 12
01:05:13articles again. Of course, Özgür Özel had stated
01:05:16yesterday that our deputies will be able to present
01:05:20their criticisms and suggestions in the commission. Perhaps
01:05:23tomorrow, when the draft comes to the agenda
01:05:26of the Justice Commission, we will see the new
01:05:35party's clear stance. Erdoğan will preside over the MGK at 15:30
01:05:39this time. This is expected to be the
01:05:434th MGK meeting of the year. In previous
01:05:46meetings, the process was again on the
01:05:49agenda. The Ministry of National Defense, MIT, and
01:05:53the Ministries of Internal and Foreign Affairs had
01:05:56prepared field reports, and those reports came to
01:06:00the agenda in those MGK meetings. And this
01:06:03process, actually, the law proposal prepared for the
01:06:07process, also refers to the MGK. Yes, it
01:06:10will become law after passing the General Assembly,
01:06:14but its entry into force will be subject
01:06:17to the decision of the MGK. It is expected that reports related
01:06:21to this process will also be on the
01:06:24agenda in today's MGK meeting. Critical meetings will
01:06:28be held today, both
01:06:51regarding the process and the dossiers. We expect
01:06:55it to come to the Justice Commission and
01:06:59then to the General Assembly on Sunday. Meanwhile,
01:07:02another hot development: The Ministry of National Defense
01:07:06also made a statement regarding this process just
01:07:10moments ago. It says "Terror-free Turkey is a
01:07:13strategic vision. All measures will be taken for
01:07:17a permanent security environment." In its statement made
01:07:20moments ago, the Ministry of National Defense says
01:07:23that "In line with the vision of a
01:07:27terror-free Turkey, completely and permanently removing terror
01:07:30from the agenda will provide significant contributions
01:07:33to the stability of our region, not just
01:07:37our country. In this respect, a terror-free Turkey
01:07:40is a strategic vision
01:07:44that strengthens national security and contributes to
01:07:47regional stability." It is stated that "The Turkish
01:07:51Armed Forces will continue to fulfill its duties
01:07:54and responsibilities in this process with determination,
01:07:58as it has until now." This is an
01:08:02important development. Yes. Now, should we
01:08:06take the headline of Cumhuriyet newspaper? Let the
01:08:09headline of Cumhuriyet come. And from there, let's
01:08:12see what Mehmet Teskan would add to the
01:08:15title "Process full of uncertainties." Cumhuriyet Newspaper
01:08:19says today: The framework law prepared
01:08:22with the partnership of AKP and MHP was
01:08:26submitted to the Parliament with the signatures of
01:08:29360 deputies. Cumhuriyet Newspaper says there is no
01:08:31clear answer to the questions of who will
01:08:35lay down arms and how. It emphasizes that
01:08:38no date has been given regarding the calendar.
01:08:42This process will proceed according to the decision
01:08:46of the National Security Council that PKK has
01:08:49laid down its arms, which is subject to
01:08:53its publication in the Official Gazette. In this sense, Cumhuriyet Newspaper
01:08:57interprets it as an uncertainty. And a question,
01:09:01of course, a question on everyone's mind. Is
01:09:05a disguised amnesty coming? It is noted that
01:09:08the sentences of those who have not been
01:09:11involved in armed actions, but have been investigated
01:09:14or convicted for membership in a terrorist organization,
01:09:18aiding, or propaganda crimes, will be postponed for
01:09:215 to 10 years. What do you say?
01:09:25Now, there is an uncertainty here, yes, Cumhuriyet
01:09:28newspaper also underlined it. Now, the law
01:09:32has been passed. The law says that if
01:09:35it is determined that the PKK has laid
01:09:39down its arms, this will be reported
01:09:42to the security council. If it is confirmed,
01:09:45the law will be published in the Official
01:09:48Gazette and enter into force immediately. Those
01:09:51who apply within 6 months will benefit from
01:09:54these rights. Prisons will probably start to
01:09:57be emptied after that date.
01:10:00Now, there is no information on how much
01:10:05has been given. I mean, if the PKK
01:10:08says "I'm leaving", will it leave within
01:10:12a year, in 3 months, or in
01:10:15a month? In 45 days or 2
01:10:19months? Now there is no such time
01:10:22limit. I mean, if the PKK leaves
01:10:25its arms within 2 months or by
01:10:29the end of summer, it is now
01:10:32open-ended. If the PKK leaves slowly,
01:10:36then the law will be suspended.
01:10:40Now, the ball is
01:10:42this framework. The in the PKK's court, that's what I mean.
01:10:45Now, the faster the PKK acts,
01:10:48the more PKK members will benefit from
01:10:52PKK members will quickly benefit from
01:10:56it. I mean, sentences will be
01:10:59postponed for 10 years, 5 years.
01:11:03Those whose sentences are postponed for 5
01:11:07years will be able to engage in politics
01:11:10after 2 years, and those with
01:11:1410 years will be able to engage
01:11:18in politics after 3 years. Those
01:11:21in Europe will come here after
01:11:232 years and engage in politics.
01:11:27Everything depends on the PKK's next
01:11:31step. The faster the PKK acts,
01:11:34this law will then come into
01:11:38effect. I mean, those who were sentenced
01:11:41to 15 years, 20 years, or
01:11:44life imprisonment for organizational membership
01:11:47or other reasons, who were not
01:11:50involved in crime, are also waiting
01:11:53for you. Perhaps there is a
01:11:57framework law that foresees the creation
01:12:00of pressure from below to the
01:12:04top leadership. It says that there
01:12:07are 2500-3000 people who are being
01:12:10pressured. Let's say
01:12:12500 people refused to leave, but
01:12:16the remaining almost 2,000 people say
01:12:19their sentences are postponed. If they don't get involved
01:12:23in terrorism within 5 years, it
01:12:27disappears. There is definitely a group
01:12:30who say "I'll return to Turkey
01:12:34and look after myself," because living in
01:12:37the mountains is not easy. You
01:12:41are under threat at any moment.
01:12:44Now they will say that he
01:12:47withdrew to Qandil, fine, but there
01:12:50is a non-conflict process. But if
01:12:54this does not happen tomorrow or
01:12:57the day after, what kind of
01:13:00change will there be? Even the
01:13:04Iraqi Kurdish Regional Government can say
01:13:07"enough is enough" to the PKK.
01:13:10But on the other hand, the
01:13:13citizens are asking, wasn't the PKK
01:13:16completely finished? Didn't Interior Minister Süleyman
01:13:20Soylu tell us that? Well, in
01:13:24Turkish territories, there was a
01:13:27state of inaction, there were no
01:13:30actions. The last decision that came
01:13:33from Turkey regarding Öcalan actually led
01:13:37to a withdrawal, and the Zap
01:13:41camp and other camps on the
01:13:44border were emptied. Now, there are
01:13:48almost 10,000 people in Makhmour
01:13:51Camp. What will happen to them?
01:13:54They are probably waiting for this
01:13:57law. There are people who say
01:14:00"We never took up arms, we
01:14:04didn't commit any crimes, we escaped
01:14:06and came here. Let's return to
01:14:10Turkey now." They will put pressure
01:14:14on the top management of the
01:14:16PKK. But I think Öcalan will
01:14:20put the biggest pressure on the
01:14:23top management, because
01:14:25Öcalan said "start it." Will they
01:14:28resist him a little, or will
01:14:32they not resist him? They might
01:14:34find it insufficient or want more
01:14:38guarantees. Now, after this happens,
01:14:41as far as I understand, what
01:14:44does Fethi Bey, the MHP's legal deputy chairman,
01:14:48say? He says that the Political
01:14:51Parties Law will come, some changes in elections, and
01:14:58the Enforcement Law will come. That
01:15:01gelecek partisi kapatıldı zaten
01:15:04bilmiyoruz diğerleri katılır mı kimseyi böylece 400
01:15:08rakamına da ulaşılmış oluyor şimdi 400 rakamına işte onu diyeceğim acaba
01:15:12o bu çerçevenin bu bitti 6 ay sonra
01:15:16hadi o zaman gelin demokratikleşme falan
01:15:19deniyor ya hepsi şimdi bu 6 ay
01:15:21bitince bir süre diyelim ki 2 ayda bırak. 2
01:15:25ay üzerine bir 6 ay daha koyduk mu
01:15:282027'ye geldik acaba 2028'in
01:15:32şeyinde seçim eee Nisanında
01:15:36Mehmet Şimşek'e göre de Mehmet Uçum'a göre
01:15:38de sarayın başdanışmanı
01:15:42o zaman bir anayasa değişikliği mi koyacaklar önümüze bu ekip
01:15:46yani yine önümüze gelecek bir anayasa taslağı AK Parti
01:15:49MHP ve dem imzalı
01:15:53olabilir mi? bir ihtimal var, 400'ü
01:15:57bulunuyor, daha buna, bu
01:15:59desteğe bazı koşullarda
01:16:02CHP'nin o 20 milletvekili, 25 milletvekili de katılır veya
01:16:06katılmasa bile bir bir şey sağlandı, bak bir 400
01:16:10rakamına ulaşma, bağımsızlar
01:16:12var, şimdi bağımsızlar da herhangi bir
01:16:16şekilde bir parti kapılarını açarak gelin anayasaya
01:16:20katılım, siz de listemizde yer alalım
01:16:23deyip veya... işte gelecekten devadan da
01:16:27katılacaklar olabilir AK Parti saflarına yani bir 400'ü
01:16:30bulma konusundaki şeyi sıkıntıyı
01:16:34ben iktidar partisi aşağı yukarı aşmış gibi
01:16:37görüyorum dünkü ya demle
01:16:40MHP ve AK Parti'nin yan yana
01:16:43imza atması bu yasa için demek ki bunlar yan yana
01:16:47e bundan sonra bir anayasa değişikliği de lazım
01:16:51birkaç deme hoşuna gidecek madde ama iktidarın...
01:16:55veya iktidarın kalıcılığını sağlayacak birkaç maddede olabilir
01:16:59mi soru işareti olur veya olmaz
01:17:02ama öyle bir ihtimal göz önünde
01:17:05bulunduruluyor dünkü bu gelişmeyle
01:17:07birlikte peki eee bir gün gazetesinin manşetini
01:17:11gösterelim mi dersu biraz gazeteler nasıl görmüş onlara da bakalım eee bir
01:17:15günün manşeti gelsin sürecin ilk aşaması af demiş bir gün
01:17:18gazetesi eee o kanun teklifi
01:17:21meclisin kapısından içeri girdi diyor üstbaş.
01:17:252005 sonrası işlenen ağır suçlar
01:17:28dışında tüm eylemleri kapsıyor diye de
01:17:32eee haberin spotunda ayrıntılara yer vermiş bu 2005
01:17:35yılı sizce neden önemli o türkiye TCK'daki
01:17:38değişiklik evet TCK'daki değişiklikten
01:17:41sonrası sonraki süreci kapsıyor
01:17:45bu arada den parti eş genel başkanı Tuncer Bakırhan diyor ki
01:17:49eksiklere rağmen ilk adımı büyüteceğiz az önce Ayşe güldoğan da
01:17:52benzer bir açıklama yapmıştı eksikleri var ama'.
01:17:56var diye küçümsemeyn demişti, den parti'nin demek ki eksik bulduğu bir şey mi var e
01:18:00den parti da Öcalığın da içine katılması, statü
01:18:03verilmesi, umut hakkının verilmesi gibi bir takım şeyleri de istiyor. bilgilere
01:18:19göre acele etmeyin yavaş yavaş demiş tamam
01:18:23olabilir onlar ilade düzeltilir o adım bir atılsın
01:18:26dedikten sonra dem heyeti gelip imzaları attığı
01:18:29söyleniyor ondan önce biz karşıyız demişler bu kadar
01:18:33olmaz çünkü içinde Öcalan yok şey de
01:18:36yok'. e onlar bir direnç gösterir mi
01:18:40göstermez mi kandil'den daha ses yok
01:18:43evet ama belki yasanın çıkmasını bekliyorlardır
01:18:46pazartesiden sonra bütün şeyler kandil'de
01:18:50olacak bir şey daha var ki şimdi orada diyor ki şeyde Öcalanla
01:18:53görüşme Öcelanla görüşme eee talep
01:18:57edilirse
01:19:00izne bağlı şimdi izne bağlı sıkı bir izin
01:19:03şeyi var avukatlar arada sırada bu heyet gidip.
01:19:07geliyordu, şimdi artık kimi gazetecilerin gideceği ifade ediyor,
01:19:11ifade edilmeye başlandı, yani o şeyde dünkü basın
01:19:14toplantısında o izne bağlı o hani gevşetilebilir gibi
01:19:18bir hava vardı, yani bir grup gazeteci
01:19:21seçerler, başvurur, adalet bakanı şey
01:19:25verir, izin verir, işte Mudanya'dan koster
01:19:28kalkar, bir gün Öcelan'na geçirler,
01:19:31röportajlar, resimler falan olabilir, bir
01:19:34başka hafta akademisyenler gidip. gelebilir, yani
01:19:38Öcalan'ın
01:19:41statü konusunda ne diye istiyordu,
01:19:44statü, diyordu ki, bana statü
01:19:46verirseniz, ve umut hakkında beni biraz dışarı
01:19:50çıkartırsanız, ben PKK'ya daha
01:19:53rahat kontrol ederim, bana gelip gidişler olur, emeçlerimi
01:19:57veya taleplerimi hem Avrupa'ya, hem Kandil'e,
01:20:00hem Suriye'ye rahat iletirim, hı hı, akademisyenler ve
01:20:04gazeteciler veya kendi çevremden yani... siyasi
01:20:08çevresinden demlilerden bahsediyor gelip
01:20:11gidenler olursa eee
01:20:13ben onlara bu işi daha kolay kotarırım
01:20:17diyordu Bahçeli'nin de bütün
01:20:19ısrarı bu değil miydi Öcalan'a statü
01:20:23verelim ki hatta koordinatörü yapalım
01:20:25ki eee kardeşlik ve galiba demokrasi
01:20:29koordinatörü falan yapalım ki iş yürüsün diyordu
01:20:32Bahçeli şimdi o kalktı ortadan
01:20:35dünkü basın toplantısı. anladığım kadar o kalktı ama
01:20:39Öcalan'a dediler ki, ya biz izinleri gevşeteceğiz, gidiş
01:20:42gelişlere izin vereceğiz, sen bu statü şeyinen
01:20:46ısrarından vazgeç ki bu iş yürüsün veya
01:20:50galiba böyle ikna ettiler, bunu ne zaman doğru mu diyeyim
01:20:53ya bu bir şey
01:20:56öngörü veya o cümle arasındaki sözlerden bir
01:20:59cımbızlayarak yaptığım bir tahmin ne zaman belli
01:21:03olacak göreceğiz bunu bu yasa çıkacak PKK'nın adımlarını
01:21:06göreceğiz o ondan sonra acaba bir grup gazeteci
01:21:10Öcalan'a gidecek mi gitmeyecek mi? bir grup akademisyen gidip
01:21:14gitmeyeceğin de o zaman belli ol göreceğiz şimdi
01:21:17yani gazeteler nasıl görmüş diye bakıyoruz ya bir yandan da iktidar
01:21:21medyası nasıl görmüş ona da bakalım mesela sabah gazetesi var mı
01:21:24dersu elinde sabahı da gösterelim kardeşlik
01:21:27mutabakatı demiş mesela bu böyle bir manşetle çıkmış ne
01:21:31diyor 50 yıllık terör belasını bitirecek
01:21:34annelerin gözyaşını dindirecek yasa teklifi meclise. sunuldu
01:21:37diyor ve ayrıntılara yer vermiş, bunu da tarihi bir adım olarak
01:21:41nitelendiriyor, böyle bir manşet atmış, şimdi hürriyeti de gösterelim, dersodan rica
01:21:45edelim, hürriyette de eee Türkiye
01:21:47başaracak manşeti atılmış, eee
01:21:51güçlendirilmeyi daha doğrusu toplumsal bütünleşmenin, milli
01:21:54dayanışmanın güçlendirilmesine dair kanun teklifi dün geniş bir uzlaşmayla
01:21:58Meclis Başkanlığına sunuldu diyor, az önce ifade ettik, 360 milletvekili
01:22:02imzaladı, şöyle söylüyor Mehmet Deskan Hürriyet Gazetesi'nden
01:22:05okuyorum. eee cumhur ittifakından
01:22:09milletvekillerin tamamıyla den parti, CHP, yeni
01:22:13yol partisi, Hüdapar ve
01:22:15bağımsızlardan 360 milletvekili teklife imza attı
01:22:19diyor, böyle bir eee
01:22:21ifade kullanmış, yani yeni cumhur ittifakı, geleceğin Cumhur ittifakını
01:22:25mı acaba tarif ediyor, çok eleri bir okumam oltililerdir, yeni partililer
01:22:29de var, yeni yol partisi, yeni yol grubu, yani yeni yol grubu
01:22:32olabilir, yeni yol grubu için bir dağıldı, gelecek partisi ama
01:22:36yeni yol grubu yazmadı. anlaşırlarsa
01:22:47onlar başka bir parti olacaklar peki şimdi bir yandan
01:22:50da dili dili de anlamaya çalışıyoruz mesela Öcalan kapsam dışında
01:22:54tutuldu deniyor anlatılmış ayrıntılara yer verilmiş eee Türkiye'de
01:22:58ölüm cezası az önce ben Mehmet Teskan'a da sordum 2004 2005
01:23:02yılı neden önemli diye sordu 2005 sonrası geçerli ya şimdi bu
01:23:06TCK'daki değişiklik. 2004'te Türkiye'de
01:23:09ölüm cezası kaldırıldığı için bu tarih milat kabul edildi
01:23:12deniyor ve cümle şöyle devam ediyor: PKK Elebaşı
01:23:16Abdullah Öcalan'ın cezası da bu tarihten önce kesinlik.
01:23:28is, after these are done, will
01:23:31Öcalan be released with the Enforcement
01:23:34Law at the end of this
01:23:386 months? Or will these top
01:23:42Of course, on the one hand, I also look at this difference in language within the
01:23:46pro-government media, and I couldn't find it in the Yenişafak newspaper.
01:23:49I couldn't find it on the front page, they gave it a small
01:23:52headline. Why do you think that is? I mean, on the front page
01:23:56of Yenişafak Newspaper, let me show it, Şafak
01:23:59is a bit busy with the university preparing something, right?
01:24:0360 pages, I guess. Alright, now we are
01:24:07of course discussing it in all its
01:24:09aspects. Is there no empty side of the glass, I wonder? Let me
01:24:13ask Mehmet Teskan that as well, because today in Karar newspaper,
01:24:17İbrahim Kiras is on the empty side of the glass.
01:24:28"Since there are plenty of optimistic and hopeful articles about the future of the
01:24:31process, let's also look at the empty side of the glass, because it's beneficial
01:24:35to talk about the risks of the issue rather than just expressing our wishes,
01:24:39because we are going through a process that cannot tolerate mistakes.
01:24:42The reason for one side of the bay being empty is primarily
01:24:46a lack of transparency. Secondly,
01:24:49the problem is not being solved by acting with legal consciousness and a sense of democracy,
01:24:52there is no will, intention, or even expectation
01:24:56for this. We are expecting the problem to be solved through negotiations between
01:25:00a political power that has a quite problematic relationship with the concepts of democracy,
01:25:04law, judiciary, and justice, and a violent movement
01:25:07that demands privilege instead of equality.
01:25:10Furthermore, we don't fully know
01:25:14what is being negotiated. In Turkey,
01:25:17before the 2010 constitutional referendum, the 2009 Kurdish
01:25:20opening was initiated. Turkey
01:25:23initiated it. And before the 2015 general
01:25:27election, the second solution process was started, he says.
01:25:30Erdoğan, in a speech he made at the time, said, 'Let's make the June 7
01:25:33elections a milestone in our country's history with New
01:25:36Turkey, a new constitution, the Presidential
01:25:40system, and the solution process.' He says that today's
01:25:43third attempt at a solution coming at a time when
01:25:47Erdoğan needs the votes of the HDP in parliament
01:25:50to be a candidate for the fourth time is a problem area
01:25:54that could prevent obtaining healthy results.
01:25:57So, he draws attention to this timing. In summary,
01:26:00as Mehmet Teskan stated earlier,
01:26:04when we look at the process, this
01:26:08process came when Erdoğan's candidacy for the fourth
01:26:11time was on the agenda. İbrahim Kiras makes such a
01:26:15comment regarding this timing. What
01:26:17do you say?
01:26:20Of course, there are some things that İbrahim Kiras
01:26:23brings up, the issue of citizenship,
01:26:26that is, we need to agree on a definition
01:26:30of citizenship. These shortcomings will
01:26:33continue in the future. There is ethnic identity and
01:26:36there is constitutional identity. He underlines the importance
01:26:40of building on constitutional identity on a solid foundation.
01:26:43There are also many people who find shortcomings
01:26:46in other matters. Uh, I guess
01:26:51I'm saying this on Friday, the empty
01:26:54side of the glass will be brought up by the İyi Party or
01:26:57some deputies in that commission,
01:27:00I guess. Should we do these things too? Maybe
01:27:04they will say later that we have them on our agenda,
01:27:07let's do this for the second stage or the third
01:27:10stage, I don't know, but what
01:27:13they say is true. Uh, we brought
01:27:17Özgür Özel's statement today about visiting veterans and
01:27:20martyr families to the screens. Today, he said, "I will answer
01:27:24your questions in parliament." So, he said, "I don't want to
01:27:27change the agenda here, I will answer in parliament." The journalists
01:27:31had questions yesterday. In his statements to Yetkin Report,
01:27:34Özgür Özel had again underlined a truth.
01:27:38He says, "Our stance is the same, there is no change in our previous
01:27:42stance, but a mistake has been made." Özgür Özel now
01:27:46says this: "There is no change in our political approach,
01:27:49however, it is an extremely wrong
01:27:53act in terms of method and style. To keep the text of the proposal
01:27:57a secret, get signatures on blank
01:28:00papers, and then deliver it to the Parliament Speaker's Office
01:28:04half an hour after sending it to other political parties is against the spirit of
01:28:07the matter," he says. There were parts 6 and 7 of
01:28:11the commission report we are in, regarding the process. This proposal
01:28:14is about part 6. These things, the 6th and 7th,
01:28:18should proceed not consecutively, but intertwined. Now, 6 is about the criminal
01:28:21law, and 7 is about democratization.
01:28:24After this law is enacted,
01:28:28in the period that will pass for the confirmation and determination of the laying down of
01:28:32arms, work needs to be done quickly to prepare
01:28:35part 7. Now, let me underline this again, this part 7
01:28:39is the part about democratization.
01:28:42The name of the commission, what was it, the name of the report,
01:28:46the name of the proposal is strengthening national solidarity and social
01:28:49integration. Therefore, the question of whether there is any democratization
01:28:53is on the agenda.
01:28:56There is no democratization, but there are plenty of indictments.
01:28:59Now, this last indictment was issued.
01:29:03Now it just occurred to me, Mehmet Yakup Yılmaz also wrote about this on T24.
01:29:07Yes, that's it. Now,
01:29:11if there's an indictment, how can there be bribery if it's not a public official?
01:29:14There's also a definition of giving and receiving bribes in the law.
01:29:18Now, a candidate selection or a convention issue.
01:29:22He says receiving and giving bribes.
01:29:26What does he say? He says receiving
01:29:29and giving bribes in a chain how will that be? Take bribes.
01:29:34Now, look at the most important thing in Turkey. Today,
01:29:38Karar Newspaper did something. İzzet Özgenç,
01:29:41isn't he one of Turkey's most respected
01:29:44with Adem Soyar, one of the most important, who also prepared
01:29:48the TCK (Turkish Criminal Code) that we just talked about. Adem Soyuyer.
01:29:52I mentioned him. Both of them are among Turkey's leading
01:29:56professors in criminal law, that is, professors who produce
01:29:59things. Come on, be a professor with a theory. Is it legal
01:30:03philosophy? I mean, why? He says, look,
01:30:06it seemed very important to me.
01:30:10He objected to the indictment on immunity. He says
01:30:13that the allegations in question are related to intra-party candidate
01:30:17selection and convention processes. He drew attention to this and
01:30:20argued that the accusations have no connection with the performance
01:30:24of the duty of a member of parliament.
01:30:28Regardless of whether it's true or not, he says,
01:30:32the alleged money transfer
01:30:36does not constitute the crime of bribery. that is,
01:30:39Öcalan, there if a candidate
01:30:43has given money to a party to be a candidate, hı hı, this
01:30:47claim is not that Özgür Özden took it and put it in his pocket, if he gave money to the CHP,
01:30:50if he gave money, this
01:30:53is not a crime, it is not bribery, he says.
01:30:56When we look at it this way, look, all
01:31:00the MPs, so far all the Mayors and... "All
01:31:03party leaders should put their hand on their heart,
01:31:06does the person they nominate give money to the party
01:31:10for expenses or not? Who among the AK Party has said
01:31:13that we give money for the election
01:31:16campaign? Then, if that person accepts it,
01:31:20are we going to accuse all general presidents
01:31:23of bribery? We nominate someone,
01:31:26and they put money in that pool. Where will they spend it? Let's say
01:31:30in some province, the mayor. You tell the mayor candidate
01:31:34to put 100,000 or 200,000
01:31:37or 1 lira.
01:31:41The amount of the bribe is not important. So, when they put that money,
01:31:44is that person considered to have given a bribe?
01:31:48I mean, if it's a CHP member or a new party member after the
01:31:52new fair division, that's how it's interpreted. But this new party's general
01:31:55president says that you
01:31:58took all that thing.
01:32:02The mayor takes 22 medicines a day,
01:32:06he probably has some mental distress. Why mental distress?
01:32:10What he says doesn't match what he says.
01:32:13An indictment is being prepared based on his allegations.
01:32:16That indictment alleges he took bribes in a chain reaction.
01:32:19He says it should be dropped. Why are they saying this? Because
01:32:23if the charge of bribery is dropped, he will be imprisoned and politically
01:32:26banned. There is such a thing. They say this came because a political
01:32:30ban would not be imposed for the indictments that have come so far, like Hakkari.
01:32:34İzzet Özgenç says that the professor says, "This is not bribery."
01:32:38And I say, then the mayor puts it in the pool.
01:32:41The MP
01:32:43gave this much money. Why are you giving
01:32:46it? Of course, I will give it. My party,
01:32:50my party should get posters, my party should
01:32:53rent a minibus so that we win the election.
01:32:56That's why I gave it, he says. Hı hı. So, is the person who
01:33:00took that money, who spent that money, considered to have taken a bribe?
01:33:04I don't think so.
01:33:06The professor also says that. He says no, he says
01:33:10this because you are a public official. For you to take money
01:33:13from me, I must give you something.
01:33:15I must give you something, a license,
01:33:19I must give you a tender, I must
01:33:23give you something for it to be bribery. If every candidate who puts
01:33:26money into his party is a briber, then
01:33:30the provincial chairman or general chairman who takes and spends
01:33:33that money is also a briber. If this indictment is like this,
01:33:37if the content of this indictment is like this, then send
01:33:40an indictment for all parties. Is there anyone who
01:33:43is a candidate without putting money? Let all the MPs speak out,
01:33:47how many MPs are there in each party? Hı hı.
01:33:50You became a candidate, did you put money
01:33:54in or not? But they will say, "We became candidates
01:33:57and then we put money in." Maybe you became a candidate because
01:34:01you promised to put money in. Who will prove this?
01:34:04I mean, there is no such crime. This is not bribery.
01:34:08For it to be bribery, it must be public. I must have a duty,
01:34:11and in return for this duty, I must use
01:34:15the money I received from you for my own benefit.
01:34:18I must give you something, I must give
01:34:22you a license, I must give you a tender, I must give you something
01:34:25for it to be bribery. The great
01:34:28law professors say so, they say that
01:34:32this does not fit. Even if there is money, we don't know
01:34:35Only "All deputies from
01:34:37the Mayor of Antalya has contradictory statements. First,
01:34:40he said no, then he said he put it there, then he said
01:34:44his son sent it. He said we met there,
01:34:47then of course,
01:34:50some photos, images that appeared in the public,
01:34:53especially regarding his family,
01:34:55uh, his arrest, his daughter-in-law,
01:34:59his son, and so on, he started making up other stories
01:35:02to get out. We saw his statements change day by day.
01:35:06Aşem, why wasn't he released then? When I look at it,
01:35:10were the things he said about the tenders insufficient?
01:35:13Insufficient. He couldn't support it. He says, "I took
01:35:161 million people. They asked me for a bribe. I took it to the CHP,
01:35:20I gave it. To whom did I give it? I don't know, it's like I gave
01:35:231 lira. Is there a record? No. Is there a video? No.
01:35:26How did the money come? In a backpack. Did you come by plane? Yes.
01:35:30How did you pass? No. But there is an indictment.
01:35:33How will it be? Look, the legal
01:35:36professors, I read from them, they say it won't happen.
01:35:39I mean, Mehmet Yakup Yılmaz wrote
01:35:43on T24, "There's no other way, asked Mehmet Teskan
01:35:47why the years 2004-2005 are important.
01:35:51It applies after 2005. Now, this
01:35:53change in the Turkish Penal Code.
01:35:57It is said that this date
01:36:00was accepted as a milestone because
01:36:03the death penalty was abolished in
01:36:07Turkey in 2004. And the sentence
01:36:10continues: "The sentence of PKK leader
01:36:14Abdullah Öcalan was finalized before this
01:36:17date." If this law
01:36:21is implemented after 6 months, if
01:36:25results are obtained, then when new
01:36:28laws come, then everyone says, "What's
01:36:32in it? Let it be released."
01:36:35belediyelerle çalışan bir iş insanı ama CHP'li
01:36:39belediyele çalıştığında
01:36:41suçmişyeler suç örgütür. dolayısıyla
01:37:03oradaki gelişmeleri de ekranlara getireceğiz ibb
01:37:07davasında bugün tutukluluk incelemesi günü
01:37:10şimdi o zaman son olarak şöyle
01:37:12soralım.
01:37:15de yaklaşık 2 trilyon dolardan fazla yük getirdi bu terör
01:37:18belası eee on binlerce yurttaşımızı kaybettik
01:37:2240 yıldır değil mi Türkiye bu terör
01:37:24belasından eee kurtulamadı bir türlü kurtulmayı
01:37:28kim istemez hepimiz ister eee ama tabii bu bazı soruları da
01:37:32sorarak eee bu sürecin ilerlemesi gerekiyor soruları soran herkese vay
01:37:36sen eee bunun karşısında mısın eee
01:37:40sorusunun da sorulmaması lazım mesela benim sorum şu bunu dün
01:37:44sormuştum bugün de soracağım e şimdi bir yandan toplumsal bütünleşme
01:37:47güçlensin diyeceksiniz, diğer yandan Türkiye'nin
01:37:51birinci partisinin genel başkanının 62
01:37:54fezlekesini meclise gönderip
01:37:57ham 30 tane belediye başkanını tutuklayarak
01:38:01diyeceksiniz, bu bir çelişki yaratıyor, bu
01:38:04coşkuyu şey yapıyor, bugün galiba yine şeyde İsmet Berkan
01:38:08yazmış, peki bu kadar büyük bir hamleye niye toplumda
01:38:12coşku yok diyor, bu yüzden yok. Toplumun bir
01:38:16kısmı kırılgan, bir kısmı kendi belediye başkanı
01:38:19seçmişin, tutuklu diyor falan, bu arada
01:38:23eee şimdi Resul Emrahşahan biliyorsunuz tutuklu
01:38:27Şişli belediye başkanı ve ilk
01:38:29olarak kent soruşturması kapsamında kent uzlaşısı
01:38:33kapsamında gözaltına ya o zaman tabii bu terörsüz
01:38:36Türkiye süreci başlamamıştı hatırlayacaksınız o zaman
01:38:39PKK ile işbirliği yapan CHP suçluydu suçluydu ve jet
01:38:42hızıyla eee Şişli belediye.
01:38:57süreç itibariyle bakın şöyle söylüyor:
01:39:00cezaevinde zaman yavaş akıyor,
01:39:03yavaşlık 40 yılın acıları üzerine, derinlemesine
01:39:06düşünme imkanı veriyor. Bugün Meclise sunulan metni okurken
01:39:10aklımdan ilk geçen buydu, evet eksikleri var, kaygı veren yanları
01:39:14var. Türkiye'nin ihtiyaç duyduğu kapsamlı demokratikleşmenin
01:39:17de hayli gerisinde. Ama bu toprağa yıllardır
01:39:21acıya, evleri yasa boğan bir meselede hukukun
01:39:24kapısı ilk kez aralanıyor. Ben o kapın. yeniden
01:39:28kapanmamasından yanayım. Kürt meselesinin çözümü kimsenin
01:39:32lütfu olmamalı. Esas olan hepimizin eşit yurttaşlar
01:39:35olarak ortak bir gelecek kurma iradesidir.
01:39:39Cumhuriyetimizin ikinci yüzyılında bu ülkenin her bir ferdinin hak ettiği
01:39:42eşit yurttaşlığın, adaletin ve demokrasinin yeniden hayat
01:39:46bulduğu bir Türkiye mümkündür. O hedefe
01:39:48ulaşıncaya kadar koşullar ne olursa olsun, hukuksuzluklara da,
01:39:52butlanlara da, haksız tutuklamalara da aynı
01:39:55kararlılıkla itiraz etmeye devam. edeceğiz, hayalini kurduğumuz
01:39:59yeni nesil siyaset de bunun taşıyıcısı olmalı,
01:40:02geçmişin korkularını devralıp büyüten bir siyaset değil,
01:40:06birlikte yaşama cesaretini büyütecek bir siyaset,
01:40:10eksiğiyle fazlasıyla bu bir başlangıç, ortak gelecek
01:40:13için ben başlamaktan yanayım diyor, önemli bir
01:40:16paylaşım ekranlarınıza getirmek istedik, resul
01:40:19emrah şahn eee ki eee artık geçtiğimiz
01:40:23hafta 500 gününü cezaevinde dolduran
01:40:25isimlerden biriyim.
01:40:28dünyaya bakalım mı biraz bir yansıması var mı acaba biz bunları
01:40:32konuşurken dünya ne konuşuyor ışın ev için siyaset
01:40:35Amerika Birleşik Devletleri'nde güçleniyor diyerek başlıyorum
01:40:39ben burada ben burada araya girip izleyicilerimizden lütfen bu
01:40:42bölümü özellikle dikkatle dinlemelerini tavs yeni
01:40:45nesil siyaset dedik ya evet yeni nesil siyaset önemli
01:40:49şimdi Amerika Birleşik Devletlerinde Michigan'da
01:40:52bir mini devrim oldu diyebiliriz Michigan'da
01:40:56Demokrat Parti. "nin ön seçimleri vardı, hem kasım ayında
01:40:59biliyorsunuz kongre seçimleri var, hem temsilciler meclisi
01:41:03hem senato için adayları, demokrat
01:41:06parti'nin yöneticilerinin destekledikleri
01:41:09değil, hı hı, ilerici kanat demokratik
01:41:13sosyalist kanat kazanmış oldu, şimdi bunlar önemli,
01:41:17aslında eee hepsi sosyal demokrat refah
01:41:20devleti'nin savunuyor, ama Amerika için bu kadar
01:41:24olağanüstü bir şey ki eee tabii." "rakipler,
01:41:28cumhuriyetçiler bunlara komünist, sosyalist
01:41:31ülkeyi, yaşam tarzımızı tehdit ediyorlar
01:41:34diye yaftalıyor, e yalnız şunun altını çizmek
01:41:37isterim, eee biz de artık Amerika'ya benziyoruz, bir
01:41:41sosyal refah devleti olduğumuz tartışılır,
01:41:44dolayısıyla savundukları değerler hepimiz
01:41:46için önemli, onları hatırlatmak istiyorum, işçi
01:41:50hakları, sendikal haklar, herkes için
01:41:53sağlık güvencesi, milyarder,
01:41:56milyarderlerden" daha fazla vergi alınması yani
01:41:59servet vergisi ve İsrail'e Amerika Birleşik
01:42:03Devletleri'nin silah satışının engellenmesi koşulsuz desteğe
01:42:07karşı şimdi onlardan bunu Amerika'da mı Türkiye'de mi söylemiş
01:42:10bunu Türkiye'de savunanlar var daha güçlü savunmak
01:42:14gerekiyor daha güçlü savunmak gerekiyor ama Amerika Birleşik
01:42:17Devletleri için bu anlamda devrim çünkü bu talepler
01:42:21demokrat parti içinde daha geniş bir kitle oluyor bu
01:42:24seçimleri kazanmalarıyla daha
01:42:28Şimdi eee iki tane temsilciler Meclisi adayı kazandı ama
01:42:32asıl büyük eee devrim
01:42:34diyelim ki senato için aday oldu. Doktor Abdüll
01:42:38El Saet 41 yaşında Mısırlı göçmen bir
01:42:42ailenin çocuğu eee tabii o
01:42:45da doktor ve Halk sağlığı uzmanı
01:42:48kampanyasını da aynı değerler üzerine oturttu.
01:42:51Gazze'de olana bitene bir kere açıkça soykırım diyor. Bu
01:42:55Amerika Birleşik Devletleri'nde siyasi.
01:43:06ona karşı yarışan demokrat parti adayını
01:43:09içinde bu İsrail lobisi de dahil olmak üzere
01:43:12destekçileri 60 milyon dolar harcadılar kampanya
01:43:16reklamları şu o nasıl yaptı 5 milyon dolar toplayabildi
01:43:20ama tek tek bireylerden küçük
01:43:23paralar ve gönüllülerle çalıştı bu kısmı da çok.
01:43:34bir kere Amerika'da sandığa gitmeyen gençleri hareketlendirdi, gençlerin oyu çok önemli, eee yöntemlerine
01:43:37biraz bakmak lazım, biraz Zohra Mamdani'yi
01:43:41hatırlıyor, zaten ilk tebrik edenlerden biri de Zohran Mamdani
01:43:44oldu, ve eğer seçilirse senatoya Amerika Birleşik
01:43:47Devletleri'nin ilk Müslüman senatörü olacak, bu da tabii
01:43:51eee rakipler için ve özellikle
01:43:54Trump yönetimi için böyle alarm zilleri demiş.
01:44:10ayet diye geçiyor ama eee bu
01:44:13adını eee kullanarak örneğin JD Vence dedi ki tanrı
01:44:16korusun dedi 3 sene sonra Elsayet isimli bir başkan
01:44:20olabilir yani öyle bir endişeyi dile getiriyor korkutuyor
01:44:23otherwise there won't be such an indictment,"
01:44:26they say. Let's see what happens. The Parliament
01:44:30Speaker can send it back, he can say no. What kind
01:44:33of thing is this? Look what I'm saying, let them hold a vote,
01:44:37"Who among you made a financial contribution to your party?"
01:44:40All the MPs will raise their hands. Are all of them bribers?
01:44:44Will they raise them after this stage? I don't know.
01:44:46Will they say they didn't give it?
01:44:50They proudly say, "I helped my party this much, I gave
01:44:53this much money, I did this, I did that, I bought posters." All of
01:44:56that is bribery then. Even if you give 1 lira, it's bribery.
01:44:59Even if you give 1 million lira, there's no amount of bribery. Now, of course, in the IBB
01:45:03case, we saw very similar things, just like Aziz İhsan
01:45:07Aktaş, right? I mean, a businessman who receives
01:45:10tenders from the public, who works with state institutions,
01:45:14who works with Justice and Development Party municipalities. But when
01:45:17he worked with CHP municipalities,
01:45:21they said he was a criminal. He was a criminal organization. Therefore,
01:45:24we will also bring those developments to the screens. Today is the day of detention
01:45:28review in the IBB case. Now, let's ask one last question.
01:45:32This curse of terrorism has caused a burden of approximately
01:45:35more than 2 trillion dollars. We have lost tens of
01:45:38thousands of our citizens. For 40 years, hasn't Turkey
01:45:41been unable to get rid of this curse of terrorism?
01:45:44Who wouldn't want to get rid of it? We all do.
01:45:48Uh, but of course, this process needs to proceed by asking
01:45:51some questions. For everyone who asks questions, it shouldn't be asked,
01:45:55"Are you against this?" For example, my question is this,
01:45:58I asked this yesterday and I will ask it again today.
01:46:02On the one hand, you will say that social integration should be strengthened,
01:46:06and on the other hand, you will say that by sending 62
01:46:10indictments of the leader of Turkey's leading party to parliament
01:46:13and arresting 30 mayors.
01:46:16This creates a contradiction.
01:46:20This spoils the enthusiasm. This is
01:46:24what he means. Today, I guess İsmet Berkan
01:46:28also wrote, "Why is there no enthusiasm in society for such a
01:46:31big move?" He says, this is why. A part of society
01:46:34is fragile, a part of it has elected
01:46:37its own mayor, and he is
01:46:41arrested, he says. By the way,
01:46:44uh, now, Resul Emrahşahan, as you know, is
01:46:47the arrested Şişli mayor and was initially
01:46:51detained within the scope of the urban investigation, within the scope of urban
01:46:55reconciliation. At that time, of course, the Turkey without
01:46:58terrorism process had not started, you will remember. At that time,
01:47:02the CHP, which collaborated with the PKK, was guilty, was guilty, and at
01:47:05jet speed, uh, the Şişli municipality. In terms of the process, he
01:47:10says this: Time passes slowly in prison.
01:47:13This slowness allows for deep reflection on
01:47:17the pains of 40 years. This was the first thought that came
01:47:20to my mind as I read the text submitted to Parliament today. Yes, it has shortcomings,
01:47:23and there are aspects that cause concern. It is also far behind the comprehensive democratization that Turkey needs.
01:47:27However, for the first time, the door of justice
01:47:31is being opened in an issue that has brought pain to this
01:47:35land and mourning to homes for years. I am in favor of that
01:47:38door not closing again. The solution to the Kurdish issue
01:47:42should not be anyone's favor. What is essential is our
01:47:45will to build a common future as equal citizens.
01:47:48In the second century of our Republic, a Turkey where equal citizenship,
01:47:52justice, and democracy, which every individual of this country
01:47:55deserves, are revived is possible. Until
01:47:58we reach that goal, no matter what the conditions, we will continue
01:48:02to object with the same determination to unlawfulness, invalidities, and unjust
01:48:06arrests. The new generation of politics we dream of
01:48:30should be its bearer, not a politics that takes
01:48:34over and amplifies the fears of reminds, how
01:48:36important it was, so I found it very valuable for us to remember.
01:48:41Thank you very much to Halk TV's foreign news director, he was with
01:48:44us. Saturday, yes, Halk TV
01:48:48viewers will watch this in more detail. We have
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01:57:42In Turkey, citizens are trying to stay afloat with social
01:57:46aid, aid queues are getting longer, according to ministry
01:57:49data, the number of people applying to the state for social aid has increased,
01:57:52reaching 27 million, we asked the public, do you think
01:57:56poverty is increasing in Turkey? It has increased, it is increasing,
01:57:59retirees are also poor now, before my father bought both his car
01:58:03and his house with his retirement salary. with his retirement money and bonus,
01:58:06now he can't even buy a car, maybe he's buying a bracelet for his wife
01:58:10with that money and that's it, he can't do anything
01:58:13else because we're getting poorer and poorer because
01:58:16it's increasing, I mean when you go to the market
01:58:20you can't find what you bought last week at the same price. When this is the case,
01:58:24what does the citizen do? Instead of buying three apples, one kilo of
01:58:27apples, now he buys two, two tomatoes, and I'm one of them,
01:58:31of course it's increasing, and it's increasing well, it's not not increasing, of course
01:58:35it's increasing, I mean, you go to the market, you can't buy anything,
01:58:39you go to the market, you can't buy anything, I mean, today the worst thing is today's
01:58:42fruit, today it's at least 100 lira, the worst fruit
01:58:45is 100 lira, today tomatoes are 50 lira, I mean, what should I do, what
01:58:49should the public do, yes poverty is increasing
01:58:52more and more, people are not getting richer, they are getting poorer and poorer, I have
01:58:56observed it that way, I think so and it is so, I see it in my practical
01:59:00life, I'm working at 70, it's increasing
01:59:02it's increasing a lot, in our youth
01:59:05"it was a little less, 10 years ago it was a little more, I mean
01:59:08this is increasing more and more, of course if this system continues,
01:59:12I'm afraid we'll become like India in 10-15 years. I was just passing
01:59:16this street, it said 'hanging bread', I mean,
01:59:19think about it, in European countries, in other
01:59:21countries, people are planning how to remove bread from their lives,
01:59:25while they are thinking about that, the fact that people
01:59:29here are in need of hanging bread is a very big
01:59:32and for me sad situation.
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02:00:19Hello from Halk Television screens, I am İrem Sansak.
02:00:22Our clock shows 13:00. Until our clock shows 16:00, that is, for exactly 3
02:00:26hours, we will be with you with hot topics from Turkey
02:00:29and the world. We have guests,
02:00:32we will evaluate the agenda, hot topics one by one with
02:00:35our guests. If you have any questions, you can reach us on social
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02:00:41us. My reporter and cameraman friends are completing their preparations,
02:00:44but before that, as always, let's say the headlines
02:00:48of the day and talk about them one by one. The headline of the day was
02:00:51a meeting on April 30th
02:00:54at the presidential palace and today
02:00:56at 14:00. it's a truly important