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00:00:00tried, but the statute of limitations has expired. It is very grave that a deputy's immunity
00:00:03has been lifted, and the indictment
00:00:07that has not yet come
00:00:09has been disclosed. HDP Group Deputy Chairman Sezai
00:00:13Temelli said, "In the eyes of the prosecutors, it's as if we are an organized crime group.
00:00:17This understanding is an interference with politics, and serving indictments
00:00:20and making character assassination is not acceptable." Look,
00:00:24this is a,
00:00:27isn't it very interesting? All parties in the parliament. All party group
00:00:31deputies said that this
00:00:34was wrong, even the AKP said that this
00:00:37was wrong. Now, let's ask Gamze Taşçıer about this.
00:00:41How do you evaluate this, that all parties
00:00:45with a group oppose this? And also, what
00:00:49is it here, what is the violation of confidentiality,
00:00:52what is the staining of the presumption of innocence, what is the act of serving?
00:00:55Who could be responsible for this, and how
00:00:58can it be revealed?
00:01:01"First of all, let me state that
00:01:05we hear about an indictment
00:01:08against any deputy or us
00:01:11from the public, and we say, 'There has been an indictment
00:01:14against this deputy for this many things.' However,
00:01:18in order for us to learn what topic
00:01:21the indictment is about, that deputy goes to the chairman of the constitutional
00:01:24commission or learns about the indictment through a petition
00:01:28if" an indictment's content
00:01:32is served to the public even before
00:01:35it reaches the parliament, the issue here is not
00:01:38about Özgür Özel's misfortune. In fact, the common will
00:01:42that all political parties have shown today,
00:01:45that is, the will they have shown regarding the wrongness of this process,
00:01:49is important, because the purpose of an indictment is to initiate
00:01:52a constitutional process
00:01:55regarding whether a deputy's immunity will be lifted or not.
00:01:59If you... at the initial stage,
00:02:02you turn it into a perception of conviction
00:02:05in the public eye, this is not compatible
00:02:09with the rule of law principle and the traditions that have existed until today.
00:02:12Of course, we do not see this issue as
00:02:15solely Özgür Özel's problem. Politics is sometimes understood
00:02:19not by individual events, but by the pattern
00:02:22that events create. Look, especially when
00:02:26we put the developments of the recent months side by side, we see
00:02:30a systematic picture emerging. Operations against our Mayors
00:02:33since March 19,
00:02:36followed by indictments
00:02:38gate. That cheer being prepared one after another against opposition deputies,
00:02:41and our esteemed General Chairman has nearly 60 indictments,
00:02:45and he is the General Chairman of the Main Opposition Party,
00:02:48this needs to be emphasized. We see that the indictment
00:02:51against him
00:02:54was shared with the public without the parliamentary
00:02:57process being followed. Therefore, when we evaluate
00:03:01all of them within the same time
00:03:04frame, it is possible to say that we are facing
00:03:08a method related to the reorganization of the political
00:03:12sphere in Turkey. In democratic regimes,
00:03:15the judiciary is not a rival of politics.
00:03:18The moment the opponent referee becomes a party to the game,
00:03:21that is, if the judiciary leaves its refereeing
00:03:24duty during the process and becomes a party, then
00:03:27we should be worried. "It is a process
00:03:30that each of us, regardless of which political
00:03:34party we belong to, should be concerned about. Look,
00:03:37I must state this,
00:03:40the opposition should be able to speak freely.
00:03:43This is not independent of all the processes
00:03:46we just mentioned. Mayors should be able
00:03:50to carry out their duties without pressure.
00:03:53Deputies, look, in this country,
00:03:57there are even deputies who have indictments
00:04:00prepared against them just for the dissenting opinion they wrote.
00:04:04So, what we call parliamentary immunity is not
00:04:07just a speech we make in the general assembly.
00:04:10The speech our general chairman makes on a bus
00:04:13or on a chair in the street is also
00:04:17parliamentary immunity. Or expressing our opinion
00:04:20in these programs, expressing our party's views
00:04:24is also parliamentary immunity.
00:04:27However, in this country, only...
00:04:31the defense of this immunity or this right is not
00:04:34for the opposition, but for parliamentary
00:04:37democracy's minimum guarantee. If a deputy,
00:04:41when they take the floor, faces an investigation
00:04:44the next day for what they said,
00:04:47then the parliament's oversight function weakens,
00:04:51and this harms democracy the most.
00:04:54Tomorrow, for the general chairman of the ruling party,
00:04:58if they are in opposition, the first election will be this,
00:05:02we advocate that they should also be able to express
00:05:05their opinions freely. Look, Turkey's need
00:05:08is not a political system where the opposition is suppressed
00:05:11by the judiciary. Turkey's need
00:05:14is a democratic republic where both the ruling party
00:05:18and the opposition can stand before the nation on equal terms,
00:05:22compete, and the judiciary is
00:05:25not a party to this competition, but its guarantor.
00:05:27Therefore, I consider the objection
00:05:31of all political parties with a group, the deputy group chairmen,
00:05:35important today, but it should not
00:05:38just stay like this. This is also a matter of the national
00:05:41will, the parliament's reputation.
00:05:45The Minister of Justice must immediately implement
00:05:48an internal audit mechanism regarding this issue
00:05:52and investigate who served
00:05:55this to the public and take the necessary
00:05:58punitive actions. If the members
00:06:02of the People's Alliance are sincere in the statements
00:06:04of the deputy group chairmen you just read today.
00:06:08Yes, now, of course, on the one hand,
00:06:11the new party's Manisa provincial chairman
00:06:15faced an action. He was taken
00:06:17to Ankara, yes. Now there's this,
00:06:21isn't it? The new party seems to have caught
00:06:25a tailwind in the polls. Is this
00:06:28related to the Uşak case, or is it about the Manisa provincial
00:06:31chairman? It seems like there's nothing like that. I haven't looked into the details,
00:06:34dear professor, but it was the first action
00:06:38against a provincial chairman from the new party.
00:06:41Now, on the one hand, polls have been published for about 10-15 days,
00:06:44dear viewers, as you can see. In a significant portion of these polls,
00:06:48the new party is seen to have caught a significant tailwind.
00:06:51Is this being done to cut this tailwind,
00:06:55to make the new party only deal with such
00:06:58things? For example, there is
00:07:01a poll by Sonar. It doesn't serve us,
00:07:05it sends it to its subscribers, but
00:07:08somehow we get
00:07:11results from there. We are informed. 2005 people
00:07:15were interviewed. A CATI application was used,
00:07:19computer-assisted telephone interviews, conducted in July in 28 provinces.
00:07:23Friends, in Sonar's poll, let's look at the part about "If there was an election
00:07:26this Sunday." Let's look at the part about "If there was an election this Sunday,"
00:07:30that is, visual number 3. Let's see how much
00:07:33Sonar measured the new party's support.
00:07:37Yes, it has arrived. Now, without distributing the undecideds,
00:07:41if there was a general election this Sunday, which political
00:07:45party would you vote for? New Party
00:07:4724.1%. AK Party
00:07:5121.2%. HDP
00:07:546%. Good Party 4.9%.
00:07:58MHP 3.6%. CHP
00:08:013.5%. Key Party 1.8%. Victory Party
00:08:051.6%. New Welfare 1.1%. Great Union
00:08:09Party says 0.9. Those who say they would cast invalid
00:08:12votes are 2.7%. Those who say they are undecided
00:08:15are 13.5%. Those who say they would not go to the polls
00:08:18are 7.7%. Those who say they have no opinion
00:08:21are 5.9%. The total of this
00:08:24is 30%, 29.8%, so
00:08:2730%. Now, when
00:08:29you distribute these, the table looks
00:08:33like this: New Party 34.3%,
00:08:36AK Party 30.2%, HDP
00:08:408.5%,
00:08:42Good Party 7%, MHP 5.1%,
00:08:46CHP 5%, Key Party 2.6%,
00:08:49Victory Party 2.3%, New Welfare 1.6%, Great
00:08:53Union 1.3%. 34.3%,
00:08:5630%. So, despite being a newly established
00:09:00party, the new party comes out first
00:09:03in Sonar's poll, just like in some
00:09:07other polls. There is a 4-point difference, and still
00:09:10those who say they would vote for CHP
00:09:13are at 5%.
00:09:16So, Gamze Hanım, it is being commented
00:09:20that these actions are attempts to break this tailwind.
00:09:24Do you have any evaluation on this
00:09:27matter? Without a doubt,
00:09:31because whenever
00:09:32we wake up one morning to a new operation,
00:09:36a new illegality, an anti-democratic practice,
00:09:40then there's a poll result and
00:09:44the new party's votes increasing,
00:09:47the nation's favor. I want to add
00:09:50this to these polls: look, in addition
00:09:54to these, the rate of those who want early elections
00:09:57was 60% in the latest polls.
00:10:00In fact, this shows us that a significant
00:10:04portion of society believes that the government
00:10:07has lost its capacity to solve Turkey's problems.
00:10:10Look, people... "They don't ask for
00:10:13early elections for fun. They are aware
00:10:17that problems will no longer be solved with the current political
00:10:20government. So what do these
00:10:23people want? I mean, today, pensioners work
00:10:26for a lifetime. Today, since
00:10:292019, the number of working retirees over 60 has almost
00:10:33doubled. The lowest pension is 23,500 liras,
00:10:36and minimum wage earners receive 28,000 liras,
00:10:40which is far below the hunger threshold. More
00:10:42than half of registered employees receive the minimum wage.
00:10:46Young people are not looking for jobs, they cannot find jobs
00:10:50where they can receive their pensions. Today,
00:10:53nearly 400,000 children are employed
00:10:57in Turkey. When we look at all these,
00:11:00we need to interpret the demand for early elections
00:11:03and the public's turn towards a new political
00:11:07party exactly in this framework. Look, almost
00:11:1090% of society is aware
00:11:13of the new party, despite its very recent
00:11:17establishment. More than 50%
00:11:20of them find the establishment of the new party positive.
00:11:24The new party has shown great favor. As in the previous
00:11:28poll, 34.3% is a very significant
00:11:32vote, a percentage.
00:11:35Of course, we do not consider this a victory,
00:11:39but these polls show
00:11:42us that a new glimmer of hope has emerged,
00:11:46that the nation is trying to entrust us with hope,
00:11:50and that this is a heavy responsibility. We will never
00:11:53become complacent by looking at these.
00:11:56On the contrary, we will continue to address
00:12:00the real problems of society, aware of the heavier
00:12:03responsibility on our shoulders, and express our
00:12:07solution proposals for them. And you will see
00:12:10that in your future broadcasts, we will experience
00:12:14all of this together. Look, our current 34%
00:12:18vote, in the future stages of these surveys,
00:12:21will increase further, because the new
00:12:25party is a party established by the people.
00:12:28The donations made show that the people
00:12:32are taking ownership of the trust, and it has become a hope
00:12:35in politics. Of course, a single poll
00:12:39result is not enough, but
00:12:42when we consider it together with the street,
00:12:45the favor shown to our general chairman,
00:12:48and the demand to become a member of our party
00:12:51as soon as possible, it has become
00:12:55a concrete indicator that a new hope has emerged
00:12:58for the nation, that the belief
00:13:01that this government can change has been revitalized
00:13:04with the new party. The question about early elections
00:13:08was also asked here. It's in visual number 1, friends,
00:13:12let me remind you of those, since Gamze
00:13:14Hanım mentioned it. Do you think an early general election
00:13:18should be held? To the question,
00:13:20in Sonar's poll, 59.4% said yes, early elections should be held.
00:13:26"Those who said no, it should not be done were 32.9%, no opinion, no answer,
00:13:297.7%. Now, here,
00:13:33for this question, the results of the May poll,
00:13:36June poll, and July poll are placed side by side.
00:13:40Yes, those who said it should be done
00:13:42were 53.1% in June, and in July, in this latest poll,
00:13:46it increased to 59.4%. It has risen.
00:13:4959.4%. Another question
00:13:52it asked was "Are the audits
00:13:55and investigations into the municipalities belonging to the government and opposition
00:13:59conducted in a fair and equitable manner?" Visual number
00:14:032? There it says that 23.3% of the people
00:14:06surveyed said yes, the audits and investigations are conducted
00:14:10in a fair and equitable manner. Very
00:14:12low. No, 63.2% said
00:14:16that they are conducted in a biased manner.
00:14:18Then, let's see, those who said they are conducted in a biased
00:14:21manner, yes, almost 63% said so in May,
00:14:25it dropped to 58% in June, and then rose back to 63% in July.
00:14:28No, brother, these audits
00:14:32and investigations are conducted in a biased manner, 63%.
00:14:35These are large numbers, aren't they, Professor Deniz? Well, of course, 63%
00:14:39is a significant number. I also thought that if
00:14:43this button operation hadn't happened, it
00:14:47means politics is not arithmetic, but it could also be a reaction
00:14:50to the annulment exceeding 40%. I mean, it's said to be 34.5%
00:14:53there. Maybe it's a potential that exceeds
00:14:56that, that's why there's such urgency,
00:15:00and even the announcement of these
00:15:03indictments against Mr. Özgür Özel, or
00:15:06even the almost PR of it, actually
00:15:10shows this urgency and this haste
00:15:13very clearly, I think. I mean,
00:15:16people really want early elections.
00:15:19They want them because of economic problems, because of deep
00:15:23poverty. Since
00:15:32we took it into account, we see that
00:15:35the political spectrum in Turkey
00:15:38has experienced an upheaval. I mean,
00:15:41when you look at the People's Alliance,
00:15:44it's in a framework that doesn't even reach 35%
00:15:47or 36%, especially in this system where 50+1
00:15:51is considered, it seems to need
00:15:54different kinds of, let's say, openings,
00:15:57changes, or similar window dressing.
00:16:01Therefore, the new party needs to use
00:16:04this potential correctly, in my opinion.
00:16:08If used correctly, that 5% figure will
00:16:12also consolidate, and a potential that can geometrically
00:16:15exceed 40% is truly present,
00:16:18I see it clearly, I'm not just saying it to say it. When
00:16:22taken together with these figures, yes, Professor Alpay,
00:16:25could the government have an effort
00:16:27to link this process we just discussed
00:16:31to the elections? Of course, the numbers already
00:16:35indicate that. Now, the processes, as I just said,
00:16:38are parallel. On one hand, there are peace steps
00:16:41with the Kurdish movement, and as I said before,
00:16:44the steps taken towards disarmament must be supported.
00:16:48There should be no hesitation there. However,
00:16:51one must be vigilant about the political background of this matter.
00:16:55That is, the government's intention and goal is naturally to divide
00:16:58and fragment the opposition, to somehow
00:17:01paralyze the opposition, and to win the next
00:17:05election with a divide and conquer strategy. Now,
00:17:09a framework law is being prepared on one side,
00:17:12and on the other side, an indictment
00:17:16for the immunity of Özgür Özel is brought up.
00:17:19Remember, for example, I think it was October 20th, a statement was made, "Öcalan
00:17:23should come to Parliament, the terrorist organization should be dissolved."
00:17:26October 22nd, but then Ahmet Özer was arrested on October
00:17:3030, 2024. That is, these operations
00:17:33did not start on March 19, but on October 30,
00:17:372024. That's what I'm saying, in the end,
00:17:41on one hand, there is a call, and on the other hand,
00:17:44there is a process that started with membership in a terrorist organization.
00:17:48That is, the aim here is clear.
00:17:52Doesn't the Kurdish movement see this? Of course, it does.
00:17:55In the end, they also have a tactic, they also have a strategy,
00:17:58but the government's aim here is really to take
00:18:02the Kurdish movement to its side or to neutralize
00:18:05it in order to win the next election. Can it take the Kurdish
00:18:09movement to its side? I'm not sure about that,
00:18:13because the social base that the Kurdish movement relies on
00:18:16is not a base limited to identity demands only.
00:18:20The urban poor in big cities have very strong
00:18:23class demands and sensitivities
00:18:26regarding democracy. That is, this process
00:18:28cannot easily be that Öcalan, Bahçeli, and
00:18:32Erdoğan agreed, and the Kurdish movement
00:18:35became a part of such a process at the social