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00:01:28then tea grows, there is a saying in the book. Is there such a saying
00:01:32in Rize that both politics and tea grow? Yes, yes, it is very common.
00:01:35First politicians, then tea grows. Rize's
00:01:38influence on political life, its contribution, the traces
00:01:42of revolutionary Rize and the
00:02:11came about because when I was the deputy general chairman
00:02:15of the ÖDP, I was with Mr. Ufuk.
00:02:19At that time, Hayri was the chairman, Ufuk wasn't there at that time.
00:02:22Now, we were holding a tea rally
00:02:25in Rize. I was calling the people of Rize
00:02:29in Istanbul, saying, "Friends,
00:02:32our party has a tea rally in Rize. Call your friends and relatives
00:02:36there so they can attend the tea rally." I swear,
00:02:39if I talked to 100 people, 95
00:02:42of them, or 90 of them,
00:02:46the dialogue between us was exactly like this:
00:02:49"Hasan, how are you? I'm fine, thank you, Hasan. How are you? All good, Hasan. There's a rally
00:02:53in Rize. Which Rize? Is it Bizum Rize?"
00:02:57What does "Bizum Rize" mean? All of it? "That's how
00:03:01our people reacted. I mean, there's a rally in Rize. Is it
00:03:05our Rize? You said there's Rize,
00:03:08but the name of
00:03:19trial, Ekrem Başkan called out to them,
00:03:23"Pick comar flowers for me." Now I tell all
00:03:27my loved ones."
00:03:43not only revolutionaries come
00:04:06we just gave the poll results, Sonar's latest poll.
00:04:10The new party is at 34%, the AKP is at 30%
00:04:13in that poll, the CHP is at 5%. On the one hand,
00:04:17there's the immunity move against Özgür Özel,
00:04:20the dossier, the dossier.
00:04:23There were already 61 dossiers, this is the 62nd. If you
00:04:27look at it from this perspective, you might wonder what's going on.
00:04:32But there's something else there. Information is being disclosed that is not
00:04:35substantiated, not known. Oh, things like bribery,
00:04:38corruption, etc., a series of whatever. And this is being
00:04:42announced to the public. So, there's a point here:
00:04:46Is there an attempt to cut off the wind of the new party
00:04:49already? I mean, in this sense: The agenda is not what
00:04:53the new party will do, the new party's program, how the new party will fix
00:04:56this and that. Instead, it's about, "Look, there's an investigation
00:05:00about the new party, look, there's a dossier, etc." Is it
00:05:04meant to draw attention to this? Also, Fethi
00:05:08Yıldız, made a statement:
00:05:12national solidarity and social integration
00:05:15was submitted to the Parliament with the signatures of 360 deputies. It is expected
00:05:19that the bill will be enacted with over 430 votes
00:05:22in the Grand National Assembly early next week." Now, these
00:05:26numbers, 360, over 400. These
00:05:30are also constitutional numbers, aren't they? Or, to
00:05:33be able to decide on early elections, it's 360.
00:05:37360 is already enough. Yes, that's such a decision. After
00:05:40that, if it's over 400, the majority to amend the constitution
00:05:44without a referendum, etc. Is this also a rehearsal
00:05:48for the constitution, for constitutional alliances,
00:05:51with 430 signatures?
00:06:17Now, when I talk a little about the novel, we will all recognize
00:06:21the name of the novel. What the novel basically tells
00:06:24is about authoritarianism, how power develops
00:06:27a style and form of governance over society and the economy,
00:06:31and how it sets the agenda. The novel
00:06:34says this: Power, authority,
00:06:37sets the agenda at various levels and stages
00:06:40of economic and social life. How does it
00:06:44set it? It shapes your way of thinking and
00:06:47form, presents you with points of discussion.
00:06:51You know how to discuss because it is brought to you from the top,
00:06:55from above. The agenda is completely determined by the power,
00:06:58and within which concepts you will speak
00:07:02is also determined by the power, by that supreme
00:07:05authority. The contents of the concept are not
00:07:22about many concepts here: democracy, human rights,
00:07:25peace, justice, law, judiciary. Are these
00:07:28concepts really understood and discussed by everyone
00:07:31in the same way today? Is the word "peace"
00:07:35understood by everyone in the same way? Does the same
00:07:39concept come to mind when we say "law"? This, I think, is a concept
00:07:43that needs to be answered with a big question mark. The novel
00:07:46also explains this, it says that power changes this concept.
00:07:50Power fills the contents of these concepts
00:07:53with what it wants, within its own desire. Those past
00:07:57concepts you knew before are abstracted in a different
00:08:01way, and reality is created by power.
00:08:04In fact, you seem to be talking
00:08:07about the same concepts, you think so, but you are not
00:08:10talking about the same concepts. History. "The past is emptied,
00:08:14history, the past is rebuilt by the government.
00:08:17When you look at the past, you interpret
00:08:21today in a different way.
00:08:23Clothing, thoughts, the way of thinking is completely
00:08:27determined by the government. The jacket society wears,
00:08:30a beard, a mustache, words, the way of greeting
00:08:34are directly determined by the government. In fact,
00:08:38all of these reveal to us a single way of thinking, a single
00:08:42formal structure, and at the same time a single habit. It is actually a very
00:08:45famous novel, George Orwell's novel 1984,
00:08:49which completely describes how the agenda is set,
00:08:53by whom it is shaped, how the concepts are
00:08:56filled. Today, unfortunately, when we talk about
00:08:59certain concepts, we are talking about the terrorist Turkey process,
00:09:03we are talking about the framework law. Even a
00:09:06framework law concept was discussed by Deniz Hoca,
00:09:10asking if such a definition could exist. I suddenly
00:09:13went back to 2002, to 2003.
00:09:17In 2003, the AKP prepared a law, the Public Administration
00:09:21Basic Law. Now, the name of the law.
00:09:24Again, in law, there is no such thing as a Public Administration
00:09:28Basic Law. When this law was prepared in 2002 and 2003,
00:09:32we objected a lot. We said that there is no text above
00:09:35laws called a basic law. The norm above
00:09:39these laws is directly the constitution. No, I said.
00:09:42For different reasons, this objection was
00:09:46realized. From 2002 to 2026,
00:09:49in terms of language, I guess not much
00:09:52is changing from basic law to framework law. The main thing here
00:09:55is that there is a clear intention to create a certain way of thinking
00:09:58and set an agenda. This also appears
00:10:02in today's polls and this created
00:10:06reality manifests itself to us in different
00:10:10ways. Now, what is the main real agenda of society? We always
00:10:13say it's economic, that is, directly
00:10:16the situation of young people, the situation of women,
00:10:20an unemployment problem, the problem of capital in Turkey.
00:10:23The data mainly shows a huge problem
00:10:26in these areas. The current poll,
00:10:30I actually want to say this: Even though the new
00:10:32party has 35%, and the AK Party has 30%
00:10:36in the polls right now,
00:10:39at this point in time, I'm not sure how
00:10:42realistic the polls are, because so many important
00:10:46things are being discussed in Turkey right now.
00:10:50These important things are both to hide and cover
00:10:53certain things, but also a process that is being discussed
00:10:57to create a new social and ecological ground. We can probably talk
00:11:01about the polls more clearly in October
00:11:03and November. The proposals that emerge today,
00:11:07the laws, what will be discussed in the Grand National Assembly of Turkey,
00:11:11how political parties will determine their preferences.
00:11:15At the same time, these will be used as a big tool
00:11:19to convince the public within the framework
00:11:22of determining and guiding these polls we are talking about.
00:11:25Young people currently have incredible problems.
00:11:28Now, when renting a house, both the landlord is unhappy
00:11:32and the tenant is unhappy, so there is a problem on both sides.
00:11:35Farmers are unhappy, their products don't sell for money.
00:11:39We have to pay a huge amount of money to buy
00:11:42the same product. Now, again,
00:11:46it came to my mind with the novel, concepts are changed
00:11:49in the novel 1984. It says this:
00:11:52The concepts you use today manifest themselves with different
00:11:55concepts. For example, an increase in price.
00:11:59Something we never use today. Instead, what is used is price update
00:12:03or price adjustment. The novel 1984
00:12:06actually explains this exactly. Does the system we are
00:12:10in bring us pieces of that novel,
00:12:12glimpses of that novel? That's why these polls today
00:12:16need to be evaluated and read in this context.
00:12:20We need to put aside how realistic they are, but
00:12:23it is very clear that there is a great resistance
00:12:27in society, both economically and socially,
00:12:30and a great weariness, a great exhaustion syndrome.
00:12:34That's why, especially among young people
00:12:38and women, when we look at the segment that supports
00:12:40the new party the most, young people appear, and
00:12:43there is also a great interest from women.
00:12:47This was also very clearly seen in Özgür Özel's
00:12:50rallies, street walks in Anatolia, and marches.
00:12:53Women were in the front and there was always
00:12:57a woman on his left and right. A woman said, "We will buy
00:13:01you a bus." A woman also said, "We will give you
00:13:04a general headquarters building." That's why women
00:13:08see the fire in the streets, the fire in the bazaar,
00:13:12the fire in the market more clearly, because they have to organize
00:13:15and support their homes. Similarly, there is
00:13:19a huge despair and uncertainty among young people.
00:13:22There is a concern for the future. That's why people are opening
00:13:26up to novelty, to something new, to hope.
00:13:30But this is a huge advantage for the opposition,
00:13:33but as much as it is an advantage, it also creates a very difficult
00:13:37disadvantageous process, because this needs to be controlled
00:13:40very well. This social rise needs to be
00:13:43very well planned and programmed by the opposition,
00:13:46because there will be elections within a year.
00:13:49Elections are very close. We can see many signs
00:13:53of this. Perhaps even today's
00:13:55law work, even the law work that came to the Grand National Assembly
00:13:59of Turkey, needs to be evaluated in this context to some extent.
00:14:01That's why the opposition needs to control this process
00:14:05very well. There is a huge wind behind it.
00:14:09It needs to control this wind very well.
00:14:12Because uncontrolled power is not power.
00:14:15It can drag you to completely different places. You need
00:14:18to control that power very well. But right now,
00:14:22there is a huge desire for change in society. It's very clear.
00:14:25This is also reflected in these polls. Naturally,
00:14:28others also read and evaluate this process, and
00:14:32certain mechanisms emerge to prevent
00:14:36this. We can talk about immunities
00:14:38in this context, we can talk about detentions
00:14:42and arrests in this context, we can talk about municipal
00:14:45operations in this context. The rise of the new party,
00:14:48the rise of the opposition, is also directly observed
00:14:52and evaluated by the government.
00:14:55And the government currently has a huge dilemma. It cannot offer
00:14:58anything new to society, it cannot offer hope to society,
00:15:02it can only discuss what already exists.
00:15:06That's why the opposition should not fall into this mistake.
00:15:09I will refer to the law again, the framework law.
00:15:12Today, an MHP, an AKP,
00:15:16which had different discourses before, are putting forward a framework law,
00:15:19but they are not making any effort to convince
00:15:23their own base, their core base. The perception is that
00:15:27the opposition should fall apart, the opposition should
00:15:30be confined to two discourses. That's why any word
00:15:33that comes out of your mouth can place you somewhere.
00:15:37"A word you say can place you in the context
00:15:41of racism or defending a terrorist organization, or in the context
00:15:44of opposition to peace. When you say human rights,
00:15:48when you say justice, when you say stop the arms,
00:15:51society
00:15:52evaluates
00:15:55this differently through the guidance of the actors
00:15:59who empower the government in this direction.
00:16:01But right now, the data you brought to the screen,
00:16:05I think it's even more. Right now, 60%
00:16:09to 65% of society, because
00:16:12in these figures in the polls, how much can society trust
00:16:15the polls and how well can it express
00:16:19itself? Now, to whom were these questions asked?
00:16:23With what method was it obtained? How sincere
00:16:27can a response be in a telephone survey? Or when
00:16:30you extend a microphone to someone on the street,
00:16:34how sincere and honest can a response be? Unfortunately,
00:16:37there is a silence and a hiding among people. That's why
00:16:41I expect a much different and even bigger
00:16:44vote in the election process than these polls.
00:16:48We saw this in the Cyprus elections. At that time,
00:16:52a certain margin was seen, meaning the opposition was expected
00:16:56to win, but a very different result,
00:16:59a result that truly exceeded the polls, was encountered. The current silence
00:17:03in society, hiding oneself in the ballot box,
00:17:07waiting, observing, is very clearly seen.
00:17:10That's why I say, how much can polls be trusted?
00:17:14We can see an election where many parties,
00:17:18I'm not just saying one party, many parties fall below
00:17:21the threshold. Turkey can really
00:17:24experience a process where only three parties
00:17:27pass the threshold. Turkey has entered
00:17:31such an election system. In a way, polarization
00:17:34can be evaluated negatively, but in a way,
00:17:37this is also due to the search in society
00:17:40and people positioning themselves in a certain place.
00:17:43That's why the upcoming period, especially the 3-4 month period,
00:17:47is very critical. Both a constitutional amendment,
00:17:51new constitutional discussions, and the fact that
00:17:54economic and social problems in the country can no longer be solved
00:17:57by a very large segment of society will lead Turkey into
00:18:00a different election climate. Ms. Şeref,
00:18:03now it is written and drawn in many places, meaning
00:18:16there are statements and news that this will be put forward
00:18:19and that work will be initiated
00:18:21on this.
00:18:23So, in this situation, should we think this? I mean,
00:18:27the committee report had 7 sections, right? Democratization,
00:18:31let's say the requirements of that 7th section, "Come on,
00:18:34let's solve this issue with this new constitution, at the new constitution table."
00:18:39There is no need for a constitutional amendment for that. You are right, I agree.
00:18:43After all, is there anything restrictive in the current constitution regarding
00:18:47the right to demonstrate and assemble? But we can see, can't we,
00:18:51how politics will flow? That is, how the People's Alliance
00:18:54will steer it into which
00:18:57channel. Is it possible that a new constitution table
00:19:01could be established, and that the DEM Party could be
00:19:04there in this sense? Regarding the 7 sections of the
00:19:07committee report, meaning the issues related to democratization,
00:19:11can a new constitution table be formed by saying, "Come on,
00:19:14we're doing this, what more do you want?" Would you expect this? How do
00:19:17you view this? First of all, let me state that
00:19:21Mr. Barış said something very accurate. We are going through such a sensitive
00:19:24process that we can be judged
00:19:28unfairly for something we say and be placed
00:19:31on different grounds.
00:19:34I mean, the fact that I support
00:19:37disarmament and the end of conflict has led to
00:19:41some critical messages on social media
00:19:44that pull it in another direction.
00:19:47But I am a person who displays a principled
00:19:51stance ideologically and principially. So, no matter what
00:19:54anyone says, my view is fixed.
00:19:58I support non-conflict,
00:20:01the laying down of arms, and that the solution should be
00:20:05on a common legal basis, not through armed conflict."
00:20:08We will discuss the details at length. It should also be underlined that
00:20:12this framework law we are talking about has not yet been approved
00:20:15by the general assembly. There may be changes,
00:20:19improvements. We will be discussing the final
00:20:22version of the law. Moreover, even what we call this framework
00:20:26law gave me a feeling that the government still holds
00:20:29all the strings. It is not something that makes you feel completely
00:20:33safe or that you can say this process can proceed
00:20:37smoothly. The government saw that this wasn't progressing,
00:20:40and a year later, it could break this whole agreement and
00:20:43restart the whole process, as in 2015.
00:20:47We are facing a framework law that allows it to hold
00:20:50these strings. So, yes, I support this
00:20:54peace process. Yes, let the arms be laid down,
00:20:56let there be no conflict. Yes, let's meet on a legal
00:21:00basis. But the reality is that we are facing
00:21:03a draft law where the government holds all the strings
00:21:06and has the ability to disrupt the process
00:21:10whenever it wants. But when you look at it,
00:21:14we are talking about the 6th and 7th articles of the commission.
00:21:17I have been thinking this from the beginning, sir:
00:21:21I support the peace process, but we should not say
00:21:25that democratization should happen in return for the peace
00:21:28process. That is, democratization
00:21:31should not be a condition for the peace process.
00:21:34There is no democracy without peace and no peace without democracy.
00:21:38So, let's say the arms are not laid down,
00:21:41let's say the conflict continues. What will we say then?
00:21:45Will we say that the Constitutional Court's decisions
00:21:48should not be implemented?
00:21:53Let's say it continued. So, what will we say then? In the 7th article of the commission, it was said that the decisions
00:21:56of the Constitutional Court and the European Court of Human Rights
00:22:00should be followed, but the conflict continues, so
00:22:03should we continue not to follow them? This is already a shameful
00:22:07situation. In the 7th report
00:22:10of the commission in the Grand National Assembly of Turkey,
00:22:14it was recorded that the decisions of the Constitution
00:22:18and the European Court of Human Rights were not followed.
00:22:22Let me give you an example: Today is Vera's birthday. Greetings
00:22:25to the hero. Yes, Vera has been away
00:22:28from her father for 4 years, 4 months. Now, yes,
00:22:32I support the peace process, I support the non-conflict process,
00:22:35but on the one hand, I am also looking for the answer to this
00:22:39question: Why are the Constitutional Court's decisions not implemented?
00:22:42Why are the European Court of Human Rights' decisions not implemented?
00:22:46We don't need the peace process to be active for these to be implemented.
00:22:50They should have been implemented anyway. On the contrary,
00:22:54if you advance the peace process and this framework law,
00:22:57which I also support, defined by some
00:23:00as the root law, if this process becomes
00:23:03active and then you do not implement the decisions
00:23:07of the Constitutional Court and the European Court of Human Rights,
00:23:10if you do not return to the principles of law, to the principles
00:23:13of a state of law, you cannot popularize this process.
00:23:17On the contrary, you will alienate
00:23:21even more. Today, many people tell me, "Your father
00:23:25was also unfairly arrested in these municipal
00:23:28operations, a trustee was appointed in his place.
00:23:30Why are you in this process?" Peace is bigger
00:23:34than all of us. Peace is not
00:23:37about a person's personal ambition. If no coffins
00:23:40have entered homes in this country for two years, this should be
00:23:44something we support. But on the other hand,
00:23:47of course, this fetishism of arrest should not continue.
00:23:50This trustee regime
00:23:59that whenever the issue of lifting immunities is discussed,
00:24:02you know what I say: I think that even discussing
00:24:05the possibility of lifting
00:24:08Özgür Özel's immunity has a negative impact
00:24:11and provides a legitimate ground for this area.
00:24:15This possibility should be considered
00:24:18null and void in our eyes,
00:24:21it should not be legitimized. I understand, and
00:24:24there is great support in the Grand National Assembly of Turkey
00:24:42you are also right, but I think I am also right because discussing
00:24:46the possibility of lifting Özgür Özen's
00:24:49immunity gives legitimacy to this matter,
00:24:53this takes this country to a completely different place,
00:24:56lifting the immunity of Özgür Özel or anyone
00:25:00in the parliament with immunity in this process,
00:25:02and the progress of this peace process
00:25:06will not progress together. You
00:25:09imprisoned Selahattin Demirtaş 10 years ago
00:25:12by lifting his immunity, and after 10 years,
00:25:16you will free him with a framework law, but today
00:25:19you will use the same method to imprison Özgür Özel,
00:25:21this will not work, this will not happen, the Kurdish people will not accept this,
00:25:25because we need to look at the issue from a principled
00:25:29perspective, also regarding the constitutional amendment, frankly,
00:25:33today we can only speak based on guesses,
00:25:36but you know, when the process first
00:25:40started, there was a great uneasiness about this
00:25:43and it was heavily asked to the DEM Party members,
00:25:47"Are you going to make the president a candidate for another
00:26:02if they take an opposing
00:26:05stance today, if they are
00:26:08in an opposing position today, it will be the DEM
00:26:11Party's own institutional decision, but I think it will not find
00:26:15a response among the DEM Party's base, we should not forget this,
00:26:19today we say peace process, we say let this process
00:26:34in this country, there are thousands
00:26:37of people who have no connection with the organization but are imprisoned
00:26:40for organization membership, who created this system?
00:26:44The government itself created it. And Deniz Hodja, let me
00:26:48also say this, I think the government did not
00:26:50promise anyone democracy when starting
00:26:54this process, it can only be the pressure
00:26:57of the opposition that will make this democracy work, therefore,
00:27:00we support this process, but on the other hand,
00:27:04democratic steps, concrete steps should also be taken,
00:27:08in this sense, I think politics, public
00:27:11opinion, the people should create pressure,
00:27:15what will we say, we should not say that we support
00:27:18the peace process for the transition to trial with detention,
00:27:22detention fetishism should already be ended, or today,
00:27:25when you look at the DEM Party's own base,
00:27:28the Kurds have been subjected to so much
00:27:33injustice, the Kurds who think
00:27:36that they have been subjected to injustice, I mean,
00:27:39don't they know that the government
00:27:42is the one that caused this injustice? Therefore,
00:27:46the DEM Party is also criticizing this process today,
00:27:49you are sitting at the same table with the government, but with whom
00:27:52should they sit at the same table?
00:28:03a water problem, the DEM Party also
00:28:07had a problem, today it sat at the table with whoever
00:28:11it needed to sit with to solve this problem, but
00:28:14does this mean that you see this as a process led
00:28:17by the government, or as a process
00:28:21determined by Öcalan? I see this as a state
00:28:24project, that is, a state
00:28:27project, and this process is not about Turkey,
00:28:31it is completely related to the developments
00:28:34in Syria and the Middle East, I think this process
00:28:38is progressing after that, Öcalan's contribution
00:28:41has been that the organization would not have laid down
00:28:45its arms without Öcalan telling them to lay down their arms,
00:28:48but in the end, if we say that this needs to be solved
00:28:52on a common legal basis, then this process
00:28:55was carried out through legally elected
00:28:58members of parliament and people doing legal politics,
00:29:02therefore, the DEM Party is naturally
00:29:05one of the main interlocutors of this process.
00:29:08Fikret abi,
00:29:10is there a possibility that
00:29:14this could turn into a table for a new
00:29:16constitution? Can the AKP, MHP,
00:29:20and DEM Party's joint stance on this framework law or
00:29:23solution process, whatever we call it,
00:29:27evolve into a constitutional table? These
00:29:31numbers that are mentioned, for example, changing
00:29:34the constitution? That's the basis of the question,
00:29:37that's separate, Hanım, what I mean is, in the constitution,
00:29:41this changes, that changes, the story is that a new
00:29:45constitutional work
00:29:47will dominate Turkey's agenda for months,
00:29:51this will create an impact, can it turn into such a thing?
00:29:55Can these 430 figures be a constitutional rehearsal?
00:29:58Yes, it can, Gökmen, now it's worth
00:30:02reminding that there are reports that AK Party
00:30:05and MHP experts have been working
00:30:08on a new constitutional text for more than a year,
00:30:12a new constitutional text is being worked on,
00:30:15the government group is carrying out this work,
00:30:18it has not been announced to the public yet.
00:30:21Now, the most important article of the constitution
00:30:24that concerns the government is Article 101.
00:30:28According to this article, a person cannot be elected
00:30:32president more than twice. Considering this article,
00:30:36for Mr. Erdoğan to be a candidate for the third time, the parliament
00:30:40needs to decide on early elections. In order to decide on early elections,
00:30:43the government needs the votes of the DEM Party
00:30:46deputies. Also, for him to be re-elected
00:30:50in the election, he needs the votes of the DEM Party members. Such
00:30:53a political reality is evident. Therefore,
00:30:57Article 101 can be removed by introducing