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00:00:007 people were arrested. After all They brought this, the Turkish Football
00:00:03Federation Board of Directors convened an extraordinary election
00:00:06meeting.
00:00:10Seven names wanted to continue in office. Five names expressed
00:00:13their opinion that elections should be held. The critical
00:00:16meeting did not result in an election decision. The Turkish
00:00:19Football Federation Board of Directors decided to continue in office.
00:00:23Five directors, including Mecnun Otyakmaz, who wanted an
00:00:26election, resigned after the decision.
00:00:29There were friends who wanted a general assembly, this
00:00:33offer of ours was not accepted, we thought there was
00:00:36no point in continuing, we decided to resign. The critical summit
00:00:40also decided to part ways with Montella. The Italian
00:00:43coach of the national team was dismissed.
00:00:47Following the investigations and arrests of the central
00:00:51referee board and referees, resignations also came from
00:00:54the Turkish Football Federation Board of Directors. The TFF
00:00:58made new appointments instead
00:01:18of Secretary General Abdullah Ayaz. It's been about half
00:01:21an hour, dear Gamze Altunay, dear Semih Çalışkan, the
00:01:244th round is being held at
00:01:27of these families, and so on. Eyüpsultan Municipality, a 3rd round where the balances
00:01:30changed had passed, now whoever gets one more vote
00:01:33will probably be elected deputy mayor, of course
00:01:37these are just one of the deputy mayoral elections we
00:01:41frequently experience and witness, what's the latest situation,
00:01:44is the voting still ongoing
00:01:46in the past half hour, has
00:01:50it moved to vote tabulation, can you explain, dear Gamze?
00:01:54Yes, Sinan Fıstıkoğlu, let's say that the voting is still
00:01:57ongoing at this very moment, there is a very critical
00:02:10wait here, a huge crowd is slowly gathering. This
00:02:13was an election where votes were cast, so it was thought
00:02:17that the votes of the Republican People's Party and the New
00:02:21Party group would remain the same, but the CHP candidate,
00:02:24who received 21 votes in the first two rounds, dropped to
00:02:2818 votes in the 3rd round and was tied with the AKP
00:02:32candidate, one vote was declared invalid. Let's also mention
00:02:35who these names are for the AKP and MHP candidate. The
00:02:39AKP MHP candidate is Muhammet Çakı, and the CHP New Party
00:02:42candidate is Cafer Parlak. These names are currently
00:02:45in the fourth round of voting. As you just said, if the
00:02:4818-18 tie does not continue, the person who gets 19 votes
00:02:52will be elected deputy mayor. But if the tie continues,
00:02:56and there is an objection to the votes, as a result
00:02:59of the tie, they will go to the 5th round, and in the
00:03:025th round, the deputy mayor will be determined by drawing
00:03:05lots. The mayor of Eyüpsultan Municipality was arrested
00:03:09in recent weeks. The election was held at Ataşehir Municipality
00:03:12this morning, and now the Eyüpsultan Municipality deputy
00:03:16mayor election, which started at 2 PM, is continuing.
00:03:19Let's also say that the voting is still continuing at this
00:03:22very moment. In the coming minutes, it is expected that
00:03:26the voting of 37 council members will be completed,
00:03:29and then the counting will begin. There too... we will
00:03:32learn the answer to that critical question, first
00:03:36Ataşehir went to the AKP today, will Eyüpsultan Municipality
00:03:39also go to the AKP today? Will it go to the 4th round
00:03:43or the 5th round for the determination of the deputy
00:04:01you will have the priority to speak again, let's also
00:04:04mention that. Now, of course, he was one of the mayors
00:04:08who chose to join the AK Party ranks by using his
00:04:12right of transfer or transition before. The mayor of Çiğili.
00:04:14What was the gentleman's name? Let me check quickly.
00:04:18Uh, Onur Emrah Yıldız. Water bottles were flying
00:04:21in the air even in the first council meeting held.
00:04:25There were harsh protests against him. Today, he had
00:04:28a visitor. Minister of National
00:05:00Education Yusuf Tekin was around. Minister of National
00:05:03Education Yusuf Tekin was in İzmir for a series of
00:05:06events. He attended activities such as school openings,
00:05:10the National Youth Climate
00:05:15Workshop, and Erzurum Promotion Days. He also visited
00:05:18Çiğli Mayor Onur Emrah Yıldız, who resigned from
00:05:22the CHP and joined the AKP. İzmir Governor, AKP İzmir
00:05:26MPs, AKP İzmir Provincial Chairman, Erzurum Metropolitan
00:05:30Municipality Mayor Mehmet Sekmen, and Menderes Municipality
00:05:33Deputy Mayor Ağsuman Şen also attended the visit.
00:05:37AKP İzmir Provincial Chairman Bilal Saygılı shared photos
00:05:40of the visit. He said, "A new era is starting for
00:05:44Çiğli." After the visit, AKP Mayor Onur Emrah Yıldız
00:05:48also made a post on his social media account. Yıldız,
00:05:51who thanked the minister for the visit, stated that they
00:05:54presented their youth and
00:06:01education projects and conveyed their requests. In Istanbul's
00:06:04Maltepe district a few days ago, five of our citizens
00:06:07who were trapped under the rubble when a 7-story
00:06:11building partially collapsed lost their lives. The funerals
00:06:15slowly started to be received from the Forensic Medicine
00:06:18Institute, the siblings were buried. Zeynep and Ahmet
00:06:22İnan siblings, who lost their lives, were buried
00:06:25today. Let's extend our condolences to their families
00:06:28once again. In the meantime, to imply this. I mean,
00:06:31within the scope of the
00:06:38investigation. Artificial intelligence found many
00:06:40geometric deficiencies in the building. It classified
00:06:44the building as very high risk category at 95%.
00:06:47On Thursday, October 8, a tragedy occurred in Maltepe.
00:06:50The first three floors of the 7-story building collapsed
00:06:54in the early morning. Five people, including one child,
00:06:58lost their lives in the tragedy. The bodies began
00:07:01to be recovered from the Forensic Medicine Institute.
00:07:05Doesn't Ahmet, at 22 years old, have dreams? Doesn't
00:07:08Ahmet have dreams? Ahmet just bought a new car.
00:07:11God didn't grant him to drive it. 10 people were
00:07:15rescued alive from the rubble. A cat was found
00:07:18under concrete pieces, and was rescued alive from the
00:07:21rubble hours later. Ahmet
00:07:22remained in the rubble,
00:07:26you know, and then it came to this. Ahmet is my everything.
00:07:304 out of 7 floors of the building were illegal. It
00:07:34was revealed that a demolition decision was made for the
00:07:38illegal floors of the 39-year-old building, but it was not
00:07:41demolished despite the municipal
00:07:51decision. In the expert's preliminary report, the architect,
00:07:55owners, and contractors of the building were found
00:07:58to be at fault. Concrete remnants. A funeral ceremony
00:08:02was held at Mimarsinan Mosque
00:08:03for Ahmet and Zeynep İnan
00:08:09siblings, who lost their lives under the rubble.
00:08:12The two siblings were buried in Sancaktepe Ortadağ Cemetery
00:08:15after the ceremony. In Ankara, at midnight, of course,
00:08:19a kindergarten that had been closed for minutes was
00:08:23subjected to an armed attack.
00:08:26The moment of the attack was reflected instant by
00:08:29instant in the security cameras on record, and
00:08:32five suspects were detained. In Etimesgut district of
00:08:35Ankara, the silence of the
00:08:38night was broken by successive gunshots. An armed attack
00:08:41was carried out on a kindergarten at night. The attack occurred
00:08:45on October 6, around 2:45 AM, in Eti Meskut Şeker
00:08:48neighborhood. The attackers opened fire on a private
00:08:52kindergarten repeatedly. The situation was reported to
00:08:55the police when employees who came to the school
00:08:58in the morning noticed that
00:09:02four bullets had hit the entrance door. Two empty
00:09:05shell casings were found at the scene. Within the
00:09:08scope of the operation, a total of five suspects,
00:09:11including the suspect who fired the gun, the person
00:09:15driving the vehicle, those in the vehicle, and two
00:09:19people believed to have incited the attack, were detained.
00:09:21The handgun used in the attack was found on the
00:09:24roof of a house. After
00:09:29their interrogations at the police station, the suspects
00:09:32were referred to the courthouse and were arrested by the
00:09:35court and sent to prison. Another child worker
00:09:38lost his life today in a work accident. It's
00:09:42hard to call these incidents accidents. Kadir
00:09:44Sevilgen, 15 years old,
00:09:48lost his life as a result of being crushed by a construction
00:09:51machine. The incident occurred in Gazipaşa district of
00:09:54Antalya. The construction machine operated by MK crushed
00:09:5815-year-old Kadir Sevilgen. Sevilgen was severely injured
00:10:01in the head. It was claimed that the 15-year-old child
00:10:05was working as an oiler on the machine. Kadir Sevilgen,
00:10:08who was taken to the hospital, fought for his life for
00:10:113 days but could not be saved. Following the incident,
00:10:15the owner of the construction machine, Ry, and the operator,
00:10:18MK, were arrested by the court. According to the
00:10:21report of the Workers' Health and Work Safety Council,
00:10:25covering the dates of September 2025 to August
00:10:282026, at least 95 children lost
00:10:31their lives in child
00:10:37labor deaths. An elderly couple
00:10:39went to Pamukkale for a thermal treatment,
00:10:42but were found dead
00:10:44in the guesthouse
00:10:49where they were staying. The elderly couple, who
00:10:52settled in a guesthouse in Denizli for thermal treatment, were not heard from for
00:10:56two days. They were found dead in the bathroom
00:11:00in the room. The incident occurred in Pamukkale.
00:11:03Tahsin and Yaşariye Ünver couple had returned to their
00:11:06hometown Uşak in June from Denmark, where they
00:11:09had lived for many years. For thermal treatment, they
00:11:13settled in a guesthouse in Karahayıt, Pamukkale, Denizli
00:11:16on October 6. However, the elderly couple did not
00:11:20leave their rooms for two
00:11:22days. The guesthouse owner,
00:11:25suspicious of the situation, checked their rooms. He
00:11:29found the couple motionless in the bathroom. Upon the
00:11:32notification, gendarmerie and health teams were dispatched
00:11:35to the scene. Health teams determined that the Ünver
00:11:39couple had lost their lives. It was evaluated
00:11:42that the couple may have died due to sulfur gas
00:11:46poisoning. Their lifeless bodies were taken to the
00:11:49Denizli Forensic Medicine
00:11:50Institute Morgue for determination
00:12:03of the exact cause of death. After the autopsy, their
00:12:06bodies were taken to their hometown Uşak. If you
00:12:09secretly read your spouse's messages and
00:12:13if you have an intention to divorce, this
00:12:16news concerns you very billion.
00:12:19214 individuals decision has been made.
00:12:23earned 187.6 billion.
00:12:26214 real and legal
00:12:29persons
00:12:32who profited from 3 funds
00:12:36obtained 287 billion 653 million.
00:12:39made a precedent-setting decision by finding the
00:12:42husband, who secretly followed his wife's WhatsApp correspondence
00:12:46in a divorce case, to be
00:12:49severely at fault. The high court ruled that evidence
00:12:53obtained through unlawful means will not be considered
00:12:57valid. The incident occurred in Kayseri. A woman who
00:13:01had domestic problems with her husband filed a lawsuit
00:13:03against him. While alleging that her husband had an
00:13:07affair with another woman, she also claimed that he
00:13:10subjected her to economic and physical violence, insulted
00:13:14her, and failed to fulfill the requirements of the
00:13:17marriage union. The male defendant, on the other
00:13:20hand, filed a counterclaim alleging that his wife
00:13:24violated her duty of loyalty. However, the WhatsApp correspondence
00:13:28presented by the man as evidence caused controversy.
00:13:32It was revealed that the correspondence was obtained
00:13:35from the woman's phone and work computer without
00:13:39her knowledge and consent. The first instance court
00:13:42found the man to be severely at fault, stating that
00:13:44his wife's computer was accessed and the correspondence
00:13:48was obtained in this way without her knowledge and
00:13:51consent. Kayseri 2nd Family Court also found the woman
00:13:55slightly at fault and decided to divorce them. Upon
00:13:59appeal, the Supreme Court ruled that for evidence
00:14:02to be considered legally valid, it must be obtained
00:14:06through methods permitted
00:14:11by law. It granted custody of the joint child to
00:14:15the mother. The chamber ruled for 1,300,000 Turkish
00:14:19Liras in material and moral compensation in favor of
00:14:22the woman, and also decided
00:14:27on alimony for the joint child. "Our goods remained
00:14:31on the branches, all the sieves in the neighborhoods
00:14:34will be closed, olive picking is forbidden until
00:14:37Friday. A strike in Zeytinliova, Akhisar, Manisa, and a
00:14:41rebellion in Karacasu district of Aydın. We died as
00:14:44farmers, this could even lead to cutting down
00:14:48trees. Olive growers are in trouble, the reason
00:14:50is rising production costs, low purchase prices. The
00:14:54biggest problem right now
00:14:57is that the costs are not covered. This olive
00:15:00comes from diesel, these tractors run on diesel.
00:15:04I sold the olives for far below their cost.
00:15:07I mean, 100-150 kg of olives are collected, and
00:15:11that's already 3 billion lira. And 2 billion of
00:15:14that already goes to labor costs. When fertilizer,
00:15:17diesel, water are added, the producer's profit melts
00:15:21away. So, to cultivate 25 acres of olives,
00:15:24we spend 7000 lira. In return for 40,000 kg
00:15:27of produce, we get 200,000 lira. How long can we continue
00:15:31this job if we can't cover our costs? They write
00:15:3440-50 lira for this olive in the market, but when
00:15:38you enter, it says 400 lira. We are the producers.
00:15:42For two days, purchases have been stopped by the
00:15:46buyers. The sieve operators and farmers, who gathered
00:15:50in Zeytinliova, Akhisar, closed the sieves against
00:15:53high expenses and low purchase prices. Olive harvesting and
00:15:56purchasing were stopped. Due to the very low olive prices, our
00:16:00brokers have closed their sieves as of tonight.
00:16:03The producer's demand is to abandon import-based
00:16:06policies. We expect the
00:16:08government's support, especially
00:16:12in trade and export. Our fate is bad, may God bring a good end
00:16:16to us. We said "exemplary" on our label today.
00:16:19Messages are pouring in from our viewers. Fuat
00:16:23Özhan says, "It is exemplary to tell success stories
00:16:27while poverty grows, it is exemplary to ignore
00:16:30unanswered questions while fund allegations are discussed,
00:16:33it is exemplary to make citizens tighten their
00:16:37belts and forget about accountability for those
00:16:40in power." Fuat Bey wrote his observations,
00:16:44thank you very much. Halil Şehidoğlu says, "To
00:16:47violate human rights is a matter for the afterlife,
00:16:51municipal operations are abhorrent, political transfers
00:16:54are shameless, successive price hikes are astonishing,
00:16:58if you say the scandal of the century, it's exemplary."
00:17:01Yaşar Arslanpay says, "Calendar pages are full
00:17:05of exemplary events, some good, some very,
00:17:08very painful times, they keep tearing off and don't
00:17:12end." Someone said my surname is very sweet.
00:17:15Thank you, let's continue then, let's see what's
00:17:18happening outside the borders. Now, a very big
00:17:22earthquake happened in Panama, it was shaken
00:17:26by a 7.7 magnitude earthquake at midnight,
00:17:29but the feared did not happen, despite this
00:17:33high-magnitude earthquake, there is no information
00:17:35yet about any loss of
00:17:44life. Of course, let's say get well soon, but
00:17:48I don't know whether to envy or emulate the fact
00:17:51that not even a single person lost their life.
00:17:55This time, the earthquake hit Central America. A
00:17:587.7 magnitude earthquake occurred in Panama on Friday.
00:18:02The U.S. Geological Survey announced that the earthquake,
00:18:05which occurred near the southern tip of Panama
00:18:09in the afternoon, was recorded
00:18:14at a depth of approximately 10 kilometers. Following
00:18:18the earthquake felt in the capital Panama City,
00:18:20a tsunami warning was
00:18:27issued for the region bordering the Eastern Pacific.
00:18:30It was stated that more than 100 aftershocks occurred
00:18:34after the earthquake, the largest of which was measured
00:18:37as 6.6.
00:18:43The fact that the earthquake occurred in a sparsely
00:18:47populated rural area prevented a major disaster. There
00:18:50is no information about any loss of life in
00:18:53the first reports from
00:18:57the country. It was reported that 15
00:19:01of the students caught in the earthquake at a
00:19:04school were slightly injured. After the earthquake, the
00:19:08situation of the Panama Canal, a critical waterway,
00:19:11also became a matter of curiosity. However, the
00:19:14Panamanian authorities announced that there was no damage
00:19:17to the canal and that
00:19:23operations continued normally. It was also announced that
00:19:27flights, which were stopped for a short time after
00:19:31the earthquake, have resumed. The exact situation regarding
00:19:34human and property losses in the country is expected
00:19:37to be determined in a short time after damage
00:19:41assessment studies. We continue with the protests that
00:19:44have been going on for days in France. Students
00:19:48have started to get the first concessions, but
00:19:51they don't seem to have any intention of backing
00:19:54down. Now, France is actually a country very
00:19:57accustomed to protests. "A country accustomed to
00:20:01strikes, but this time,
00:20:02both the crowd is different,
00:20:15and the fact that students are participating
00:20:18in these protests in very high numbers has
00:20:21left the government in a difficult situation. It
00:20:25seems like a compromise will be reached, but
00:20:28students said, 'We will not give up until we
00:20:32get exactly what we want.' They also called for a
00:20:36larger mass protest. France has been in turmoil for
00:20:39days with high school students' demonstrations. For
00:20:42the first time, the French government signaled a step
00:20:45back in the face of
00:21:20the demonstrations. Education Minister Edward Ceffrey
00:21:23promised that students' demands would be taken
00:21:26into account when preparing the 2027 budget in the
00:21:30coming days. He also stated that 300 substitute
00:21:34teachers would be directed to 500 high schools determined
00:21:37to have the most need.
00:21:38Minister Ceffrey also
00:21:45stated that more funds would be provided for teachers
00:21:48who want to work overtime. According to the report,
00:21:52since the end of September, when the protests started,
00:21:55close to 7,000 people, 86% of whom were minors,
00:21:59have been detained. While a total of 21 people,
00:22:02including 6 minors, were arrested, nearly 1900 people
00:22:06were subjected to various judicial control measures.
00:22:09More than a thousand people were injured in the incidents
00:22:12that occurred during the demonstrations. The breaking
00:22:16news appeared on the screen. The vote counting process
00:22:20of the tense fourth round has also come to an
00:22:24end, objections have been received, and as a result
00:22:27of the objections, Eyüpsultan Municipality remained with the Republican People's Party.
00:22:31Let me repeat, they had entered with a tie at
00:22:34the very end. The New
00:22:36Party Istanbul Provincial
00:22:39Chairman Özgür Çelik is speaking, let's listen. He
00:22:41is a very valuable person. Unfortunately, he was unjustly
00:22:44and unlawfully arrested
00:23:20and taken to Ankara from here. Today, a deputy
00:23:23mayor election was held here. We encountered a familiar
00:23:27scene again here. There were some proposals to the
00:23:31municipal council members, some attempts to seize
00:23:34the will of the people of Eyüpsultan. On March
00:23:3831st, there was a 24 to 23, 23 to 14
00:23:41table. With that, 23 council members were elected
00:23:45from our lists. 14 council members were elected from
00:23:49the Cumhurittifakı lists. "Mr. Özgür, Mr. Özgür,
00:23:52can I ask this, at the same time, because the
00:23:56speeches are still ongoing, a conversation like this
00:24:00happened just now, we actually won in the third
00:24:03round, that's why we will submit an objection, a
00:24:06situation like in Üsküdar, will the same scenario
00:24:09happen? So, we don't know what kind of scenario
00:24:13we will encounter, because until today, we have
00:24:16won all the first deputy mayoral elections we entered,
00:24:20look, we also won in Üsküdar, they canceled
00:24:23us through illegal means in the judiciary. We
00:24:27won in Ataşehir, they canceled us through illegal
00:24:31means in the judiciary, we also won in Adalar,
00:24:34we also won in Bayrampaşa, we didn't lose any real
00:24:38election we entered, we won, then they canceled
00:24:41us with illegal matters. Here, a calculation is
00:24:45made based on simple majority, of course,
00:24:48simple majority here is 20, because 37
00:24:52municipal council members were elected here, with
00:24:54Mithat Bülent Özmen, the number is 38, when you
00:24:58divide by two, simple majority is one more
00:25:02than half, when you divide by two, it is
00:25:0519, one more than 19 is 20, so they
00:25:07couldn't even reach 19 in the 3rd round,
00:25:10one of their votes was declared invalid in the
00:25:143rd round, they got 18 votes in the 3rd
00:25:17round, so they can object as much as they want
00:25:20based on this justification, it cannot be a reason
00:25:23to cancel the election. They are citing the Yüceer
00:25:26decision as an example, even with that decision,
00:25:3019 is already required, but there are already
00:25:34decisions from higher courts above that decision.
00:25:38In this regard, in the 3rd round,
00:25:42any... a candidate needed to have received 20
00:25:45votes to win the election. The candidate of the People's
00:25:48Alliance received 18 votes. In the third round, our
00:25:51candidate received 18 votes. Therefore, a process cannot
00:25:55be carried out based on this. I would like to
00:25:59underline one more thing. And that is this: Now, for example, in
00:26:03these elections, some citizens naturally have questions
00:26:06in their minds about why the municipality is
00:26:10changing hands. I emphasize once again. We did
00:26:13not lose any of the real elections we entered.
00:26:16Look, we did not lose the Islands, we won
00:26:20the first election, we
00:26:29we did not lose Ataşehir, we won the first election,
00:26:33and after winning, these operations are carried out
00:26:37through the judiciary based on fabricated issues.
00:26:40So, think about it, they arrested two municipal
00:26:44council members in Üsküdar to get the number, they
00:26:47held the election this way, and after the election
00:26:50was over, they released them. Now, in municipalities,
00:26:54for example, in the Islands, they took one municipal
00:26:58council member with a midnight operation to a bureaucratic
00:27:01building, to a bureaucrat's apartment. They lifted the
00:27:04suspension letter, they allowed them to vote in exchange
00:27:07for their votes. But in Ataşehir, Livangür was
00:27:10acquitted, despite being acquitted, we write to the governorship,
00:27:13we get opinions from the ministry, our candidate is
00:27:16not returning. Therefore, everyone should know this
00:27:20very well, these elections are not an election between
00:27:23political parties.
00:27:26We are, unfortunately, I regret to say,
00:27:30conducting a process
00:27:32against the judiciary. So, who is this election
00:27:36between? Who are we competing with? First, we are
00:27:39competing with the judiciary, with the judiciary that detains and arrests municipal
00:27:43council members. Second, we are competing with the
00:27:47governor of Istanbul, who the members of parliament of the previous term, that is,
00:27:50those who took office during the previous administration, let's look at it from the perspective of
00:27:54the mayors in Istanbul, the deputy mayor of
00:27:57Ataşehir Municipality in Çekmeköy for 10 years, in the previous term before us, people are talking about
00:28:01he was trusted.
00:28:10In Şile, during the Deniz Baykal era, and in the subsequent period,
00:28:14someone who had served as district chairman for 50 years and has been in the party
00:28:17for a long time, in Beykoz, during the previous
00:28:21administration, he was the deputy chairman of the Youth Branch, then a district executive. We didn't find
00:28:24these people from outer space, our General Chairman, Mr.
00:28:28Özgür Özel, was elected in November
00:28:312024, at the congress in November 2024,
00:28:34at the congress in 2023, the candidacy process started a month later, in Ataşehir, five of
00:28:38he immediately found the candidacy process in his lap, so within a short period,
00:28:41people who had served in the party during the previous administration's term
00:28:45were nominated, and in this regard, we present people were made council
00:28:48such a process to the information of the Turkish public. We thank all of you,
00:28:52thank you.
00:28:56In Eyüpsultan, CHP won, AK Party lost,
00:28:59New Party Istanbul Provincial Chairman Özgür Çelik spoke, we are taking a break.
00:29:36Halk TV was first on 30 out of 30 days
00:29:40in September.
00:29:43Halk TV is again at the top among news channels,
00:29:47and it is clearly first again in September. In the all-day viewer
00:29:51category, Halk TV was first throughout September.
00:29:55In the ABC group, it was first
00:29:58on 30 out of 30 days,
00:30:00in the AB category.
00:30:05Good evening, I am Gökmen Karada.
00:30:26Welcome to Açıkça, dear viewers. The Justice and Development
00:30:29Party, you know, that issue that could be called
00:30:32a victory without an election box, from their own perspective,
00:30:36that is, taking over a district they couldn't win in the election
00:30:39in another way, well, they added another one to them.
00:30:42Ataşehir went to the Justice and Development Party.
00:30:46How did it happen, what happened, we will talk about it. In Eyüpsultan, there was an election
00:30:49today, the election of the acting mayor. The election
00:30:53in Eyüpsultan also went head-to-head in the third round or something.
00:30:56While wondering what was happening, in the fourth
00:31:00round, the municipality remained with CHP. But of course,
00:31:03we don't know if they will object to this result, if some decisions
00:31:07will come out of the court, or not, if there will be a new election
00:31:10there, or not, we don't know, some things. We have seen
00:31:14so far, will we see them again,
00:31:17we will address and discuss these here. Meanwhile,
00:31:21a prominent figure from the Justice and Development Party, Hasan
00:31:24Basri Yalçın, said in a broadcast,
00:31:28"Another metropolitan municipality is coming to us," he said, "Another metropolitan municipality is coming to us."
00:31:31After that, we wondered what was happening, you know, sometimes rumors
00:31:34about Mansur Yavaş come out, Mansur
00:31:37Yavaş had to make a statement once again
00:31:41today, who knows for the umpteenth time, denying these allegations. But
00:31:45he can't get rid of his name being mentioned in these allegations,
00:31:48he just can't get rid of it. Of course, we haven't forgotten the fund scandal either,
00:31:52dear viewers, look, the statement made in the fund scandal,
00:31:55how many people in total, how many
00:31:59billions of liras were swindled, very important data
00:32:02regarding this issue was announced, but those people
00:32:05are not being announced, they are just not being announced. The right to not be stained
00:32:09is being talked about, well, it's good, but the SPK
00:32:12used to announce the names of the people it had penalized
00:32:16due to irregularities one by one, there are many
00:32:20examples of this, we will show them on the broadcast tonight,
00:32:23so why is there such a cover-up here when there wasn't one there,
00:32:27why are the names not being disclosed, is this the right to not be stained,
00:32:31and also
00:32:34regarding Fatma Betül Sayankaya,
00:32:36look, such interesting allegations were made by a writer
00:32:40for Türkiye Gazetesi,
00:32:43such things are said to be in the file, such HTS records,
00:32:46and such statements are mentioned that we will also talk about them.
00:32:49The SPK report has also been prepared
00:32:52regarding Fatma Betül Sayankaya, what does the report contain,
00:32:56when will the report be made public? We will address all of these.
00:32:59With whom, of course, let me first say hello to my broadcast partner.
00:33:03Fikret Bila. Fikret abi, hello. Hello
00:33:06Gökmen, I wish you a good broadcast. I send my greetings and
00:33:10love to our guests and viewers. Thanks.
00:33:13With a remote connection.
00:33:20Hello, good evening, I wish you a good broadcast. Thank you.
00:33:24Dear viewers, soon the IYI Party Deputy Chairman Erhan
00:33:28Usta will be with us via remote connection. In the studio,
00:33:31former Minister of State Professor Doctor Ağat Andican Baraat, welcome, hocam.
00:33:35Welcome, I wish you a good broadcast.
00:33:36diliyorum.
00:33:40Welcome, good broadcast. Starting at 22:00,
00:33:43the lawyer.
00:33:49Now, please also write, by the way, let me mention an important issue
00:33:52before I start, this Ataşehir and Eyüpsultan
00:33:55agenda. The annulment administration targeted
00:33:58Halk TV. Kılıçdaroğlu, in a broadcast he participated in,
00:34:02in a speech, even though he did not mention
00:34:05Halk TV by name, it was very clear that he was referring to Halk TV.
00:34:09He said, "Why
00:34:12regarding these things, 'we
00:34:15applied to RTÜK, we sent our friends,
00:34:18they didn't do anything,'" he virtually
00:34:21called for censorship, he virtually seemed to want something bad to happen to the channel.
00:34:25Now, how does this happen, why is
00:34:29Kılıçdaroğlu targeting it,
00:34:32and what are the underlying reasons? Halk TV Board Chairman Cafer
00:34:36Mahiroğlu, what kind of response did he give to this,
00:34:39we will also discuss these tonight. Now, I will first ask my friends
00:34:43for numbers 9 and 10, because there are the results of today's
00:34:47acting mayor election in Ataşehir and Eyüp.
00:34:51Let's see
00:34:54how Ataşehir went to AKP,
00:34:57and how Eyüpsultan remained with CHP. Now let's look at Eyüpsultan Municipality first.
00:35:01The acting mayor was determined in 4 rounds,
00:35:05look, in the first 3 rounds, in the 3rd round, the numbers were equalized for a while,
00:35:08even though in Eyüpsultan municipal
00:35:11council, the New Party and CHP members are in the majority, the Republican Alliance
00:35:15is in the minority, was it 13 or 14? Despite this,
00:35:18in the 3rd round, there was an 18-18 situation, how did that happen? But
00:35:36members voted for AKP.
00:35:39Because looking at the numbers, there is an interesting situation.
00:35:43Now let's look at the other one, in Ataşehir. What happened in Ataşehir?
00:35:46AKP entered alone,
00:35:50because it said, "Enough is enough," and CHP and the New Party did not nominate candidates there,
00:35:54because in Ataşehir, as you know, dear viewers, Onursal
00:35:57Adıgüzel was arrested, right, İsmail Bey? After that, an acting mayor election
00:36:01was held, it was held, the brother was also arrested, that's right. After that, he
00:36:04also got an operation, this has no end, a single candidate
00:36:07entered in Ataşehir. The candidate of the People's Alliance, Serdar
00:36:11Orhan, got 18 votes in the first three rounds, for the first three rounds.
00:36:14Well, of course, that kind of arithmetic
00:36:18is needed. Two members who left CHP and remained independent cast blank votes.
00:36:21In the election, which most of the CHP Municipal Council members did not attend, Orhan
00:36:24was elected acting mayor
00:36:27in the 4th round. And how he declares victory, dear viewers, how he declares victory,
00:36:31he says, "I was elected mayor with the votes of the municipal council members
00:36:34elected by our nation,"
00:36:37and so on, "I was elected acting mayor." There is such a situation.
00:36:40In these places, what came out of the ballot box in the 2024 local
00:36:43elections, we will show that in a moment, but as it is,
00:36:47let's ask Gizem Özcan, Ms. Gizem,
00:36:50in the Ataşehir elections,
00:36:53CHP and the New Party did not nominate candidates. The New Party members.
00:36:57"CHP council members went to the district election board,
00:37:00they even had difficulty entering the district election board, there was even a scuffle there.
00:37:04Their purpose was this: they hung their certificates
00:37:08on the wall, on the wall of the district election board building, they hung their certificates.
00:37:11That is, they were trying to say, 'Friend, why did you give us this certificate in 2024?
00:37:15Here, we are hanging it on your wall.'
00:37:17Ms. Gizem, what was
00:37:20the purpose of this action, what was the message
00:37:23it conveyed, how did Ataşehir come to this state?
00:37:26What happened in the voting in Sultan,
00:37:28could you evaluate it for us from the perspective of the New Party?
00:37:32Yes, Mr. Gökmen, you actually
00:37:35summarized what happened, really.
00:37:38The situation in Ataşehir was an example of this.
00:37:42The hanging of the certificates was very valuable, because in Turkey,
00:37:45election law has been turned upside down. Why is there
00:37:48a Supreme Election Council, why are certificates given? Why
00:37:52are those periods final? Because all elections held in Turkey
00:37:55must be finalized, objected to within the appropriate time,
00:37:58and subsequently, those who take office
00:38:02should complete their duties during their term, but unfortunately,
00:38:05the situation has evolved into one where
00:38:08through various operations, not through the hand of law, but through a structure
00:38:11where politics is designed, where municipalities are managed
00:38:15by those without certificates, where there is a management approach
00:38:19in the country. So, you have actually defined the phrase
00:38:22"victories without ballot boxes" very correctly.
00:38:26"When you look today, the will of the voter that emerged from the ballot box
00:38:29is not prioritized, and in fact,
00:38:33it's not even about a small difference, look,
00:38:36if you were to put a ballot box in the same place today, if you were to go to the voter again,
00:38:40the outcome would not be different from the previous one,
00:38:43and we even experienced this very clearly in Istanbul before,
00:38:46with a difference of 13,600, when it was said
00:38:50that those managing Istanbul would not be allowed to manage it,
00:38:52this time when the election was renewed, the voter said, 'Okay, then,
00:38:56I will let them manage it with a difference of 806,000.'
00:38:59They had received a very clear answer to this before.
00:39:02However, in the situation we are experiencing today, we literally see
00:39:06that great victories have been achieved, as if what happened was legal,
00:39:09or rather, pretending it was legal, in a way,
00:39:13we are witnessing that municipalities were truly won,
00:39:17and that the will of the citizens there was not recognized
00:39:20with an understanding that a government
00:39:23was taken over. This is now an indicator of this.
00:39:26In Istanbul, Ataşehir, we experienced
00:39:30an example of this. The real certificate holders, the truly
00:39:34elected ones, those who reflect the will of the people,
00:39:37those who hold the power of representation, said, 'Then
00:39:40why did you give us these certificates?' And the citizens in the streets are asking
00:39:43the same thing. Now, it has come to a point, if you will,
00:39:46when you explained today's flow a little while ago,
00:39:50I thought about that. A deputy chairman of a political
00:39:53party makes a statement...
00:40:05we are forced to witness things being done, it's like in football, you know,
00:40:09there's a transfer season, it opens, that period is followed,
00:40:13what will happen, they have now moved
00:40:16politics away from the fact that it should be done by the elected,
00:40:20however, unfortunately, these actions
00:40:23do not benefit the country, and they also harm
00:40:26the administration there. And most importantly,
00:40:29they harm the tradition of democracy in this country, the principle of the rule of law,
00:40:33legal certainty, and the trust placed in election law.
00:40:37We, as the New Party, are fighting with all our might
00:40:41to preserve this. For example, in recent days,
00:40:44a process was experienced in İzmir, we all witnessed it.
00:40:48When you look today, has İzmir's will changed? That is,
00:40:51when a badge on a lapel changes, does the will of the people of İzmir,
00:40:55of the voters in İzmir, change?
00:40:59It has evolved to such a point that a mayor changing parties
00:41:02somehow creates the perception that it changes the vote
00:41:06given by the voters, but the anger in İzmir
00:41:09actually clearly shows this. Furthermore,
00:41:13they have evolved into an understanding that accepts
00:41:16a management approach that they severely criticized, that is, with words
00:41:20that I would refrain from uttering here,
00:41:23and even heavily criticized, and even, in quotation marks,
00:41:26called "incompetent," as legitimate
00:41:29and reputable by later putting a badge on it.
00:41:33Actually, at this point, it is clear that this
00:41:50cannot be governed by such
00:41:53structures and methods where the will of the ballot box
00:41:55is not recognized. As I said a little while ago,
00:41:58just as the people gave a clearer answer
00:42:02in the second election when they put the ballot box in Istanbul,
00:42:05they will give a much clearer answer when the ballot box comes again.
00:42:09IYI Party Deputy Chairman Erhan Usta
00:42:12is also with us via connection,
00:42:16via remote connection. Welcome, Erhan Bey. Welcome.
00:42:19Good broadcast, Mr. Gökmen, thank you. The Justice and
00:42:23Development Party continues to somehow
00:42:25incorporate countless districts,
00:42:29even metropolitan municipalities,
00:42:32that it could not win in the 2024 local elections.
00:42:35One of the examples was experienced today.
00:42:39a significant figure
00:42:46finally said, "Wait," he said, "another metropolitan municipality is coming."
00:42:49So, as Ms. Gizem
00:42:51said a little while ago, you know, during the transfer
00:42:54season, news like this comes out about clubs,
00:42:58"Oh, we're getting a really good player," and so on, has it come to this?
00:43:01Does the Justice and Development
00:43:04Party no longer feel any discomfort about this?
00:43:08How did it come to this? What will this
00:43:10bring?
00:43:15Erhan Bey, I asked you.
00:43:17Yes. I mean, this is something that cannot be accepted, to be honest,
00:43:21this is a great disrespect to the will of the voters.
00:43:24By using the law a little, from its edges and corners,
00:43:28Turkey has actually become a regime of forcibly
00:43:31taking what people did not give, what they did not choose.
00:43:34For example, in the past, when such things were discussed,
00:43:37a little.
00:43:49it's treated as if it's very normal, just as you said, as if they are transferring football players.
00:43:53We don't know what kind of treatment they are applying to mayors anymore,
00:43:57whether they are being threatened or what, whether people are being intimidated.
00:44:00Such transfers are being made, and everywhere they take over,
00:44:04they shout victory cries.
00:44:07"These are truly unacceptable,
00:44:10Turkish democracy does not deserve this,
00:44:14and I think the nation will eventually punish
00:44:17this, or rather, it should. I mean, it really shouldn't happen,
00:44:21my nation must protect its own will,
00:44:25and I hope it will do so in the next election,
00:44:28it will protect this will, because
00:44:32it has really started to become very, very disturbing. Well, we have been disturbed from the beginning,
00:44:36but I see that even ordinary citizens are saying, 'This is too much,'
00:44:39so let's see what happens,
00:44:42but now, the balance is lost everywhere
00:44:46in Turkey, Mr. Gökmen, the balance is lost.
00:44:49Everything that is abnormal
00:44:52has started to become normal in Turkey, because, of course,
00:44:55all institutions have been taken over, and by institutions,
00:44:59I don't mean public institutions, I mean from the media
00:45:02to NGOs, parliament has become ineffective,
00:45:05there is no judiciary, no security. "That is, security units have become ineffective,
00:45:09and right now, the one-man regime is
00:45:13not just as a one-man or
00:45:17with the people around him, but we are facing a situation
00:45:20that normalizes everything. For example, we will talk about
00:45:23the fund issue in a bit, we see the same thing here.
00:45:27I mean, do you see them having any reservations or anything?
00:45:30We don't. I mean, people should be a little ashamed, embarrassed. I mean,
00:45:34because on the political side, there are AK Party members,
00:45:38on the bureaucracy side, there are AK Party members." "In the private sector, there are AK Party members,
00:45:42so many of them, and robbing the nation, what they are doing
00:45:45is forming an organized crime group and robbing the nation, but no one is even
00:45:49hesitant about it, they act very brazenly, as if nothing is happening, so
00:45:52Turkey does not deserve
00:45:56these things. I hope the nation will see this and
00:45:59teach them a lesson in the first election,
00:46:02I think, I want to think so. Okay, friends, let's bring up visual number 7.
00:46:06So, this time, Ataşehir
00:46:10went to the party. Well, there was a local election in 2024,
00:46:13ballot boxes were set up, people voted, Ataşehir residents
00:46:17also voted, what was the result there? Onursal
00:46:20Adıgüzel, the CHP candidate, received over 56%
00:46:23of the votes, 56.38% of the votes
00:46:26in the mayoral election. The Justice and Development
00:46:30Party candidate received around 35% of the votes, so there is a 20-point difference,
00:46:33over 20% difference.
00:46:37What happened to the votes of hundreds of thousands of Ataşehir residents?
00:46:41Now, in Ataşehir,
00:46:44in the council election results, the situation was like this: CHP again
00:46:47got 53.92%, meaning Onursal Adıgüzel himself
00:46:50got 56.38%. CHP itself also got
00:46:5353.92%, meaning 54%. The Justice and Development
00:46:57Party got over 34%
00:46:59of the votes. What happened? Now Ataşehir
00:47:03went to the Justice and Development Party. Eyüpsultan, look, Eyüpsultan
00:47:07was won by CHP there after a long time.
00:47:10Bülent Özmen received over 48%
00:47:13of the votes. The Justice and Development Party candidate
00:47:16received over 41% of the votes. In the council
00:47:19election, CHP got 47.4%. The Justice and
00:47:22Development Party got 33% of the votes. So, Eyüpsultan
00:47:26remained with CHP, but we don't know, we don't know.
00:47:30Before, Üsküdar too, right, İsmail Emritelci?
00:47:34In Üsküdar, there was such a situation, then they went,
00:47:37they objected, was a stay of execution given? Actually, a new election decision
00:47:41was not given there either, I guess. It was like this: first a stay of execution
00:47:44was given, uh-huh. And then,
00:47:48immediately, an election decision was made.
00:47:51That is, they didn't allow it to be managed any longer, that's what I'm trying to say.
00:47:55For example, in Bayrampaşa, there was an annulment before, you remember,
00:47:59a stay of execution decision was not given there, but now,
00:48:02because they have no tolerance for even losing a minute,
00:48:05here too, they gave a stay of execution
00:48:08decision, and immediately after that, they also set
00:48:12the election and immediately held the election, yes.
00:48:15Özgür Çelik, Istanbul Provincial Chairman Özgür Çelik, announced names today.
00:48:18That is, Fatih Evliya.
00:48:39the two independent members also participated in the election today so that the election could be held,
00:48:42because if there was no simple majority, the election could not be held.
00:48:46They participated in the election
00:49:02And it was also very correct,
00:49:06because this illegitimate structure, these illegitimate
00:49:10acts should not have been recognized,
00:49:13and we did not recognize them. But the elected acting mayor
00:49:17also came to the podium and made such an absurd speech,
00:49:21"We took authority from the will of the nation, we took authority from them," something like that.
00:49:24Good luck to him, we wish him success,
00:49:27but what is done with these illegitimate election methods, illegitimate
00:49:31methods, illegal methods,
00:49:34everything is recorded, noted,
00:49:37because why? I mean, one must say this: first of all,
00:49:41none of these actions are legal. Now I understand that
00:49:44they want to set up a ballot box, they are in search of legitimacy,
00:49:46because they know it doesn't exist,
00:49:49they know it doesn't exist. They say, "We somehow
00:49:52persuade municipal council members and somehow
00:49:56get them to join our ranks and vote for us." They are so ashamed of
00:50:00what they do, so shameful is it
00:50:03that in all these districts, in the voting that took place,
00:50:07these people don't even show their colors in the first two rounds,
00:50:11look, they don't even show their colors. This is what we experienced in Eyüpsultan today.
00:50:15Remember the previous district elections, the same thing happened
00:50:18in Üsküdar in the first election, they didn't show their colors at all in the first two rounds,
00:50:22they voted in the third round. They showed their colors and voted. May I interject and remind
00:50:25you in which round how many in Sultan?
00:50:28In the first round, 37 members vote, yes.
00:50:32The candidate of the CHP New
00:50:36Party gets 21 votes.
00:50:39The candidate of the AKP MHP gets 15 votes,
00:50:41Çakır. Then in the second round, Çakır gets 16 votes.
00:50:45Cafer Parlak gets 21.
00:50:49In the third round, yes, they both get 18-18 votes.
00:50:52So, Cafer Parlak and Muhammet Çakır suddenly get equal votes. How does that happen?
00:50:56I mean, it means someone inside was
00:50:59agreed with. I'll get to that at the very end. And they were
00:51:03told, "Don't ever show your colors in the first two rounds." Actually, if you ask me, this is a bit of a
00:51:07psychopathic attitude. I mean, if you
00:51:10have the power in the election, you can show it in the first round.
00:51:14There's no need to be shy about it. I don't understand if they enjoy this, anyway,
00:51:18in the third round, but suddenly you see 18-18.
00:51:21Now, of course, this is an interesting case, but I want to get to the point
00:51:24I mentioned at the beginning, look, these are illegal acts, do you know why?
00:51:28Because in such elections, what is essential, especially in these
00:51:31municipal council elections, like for deputy mayor,
00:51:35secret ballot, I mean, your vote, that is, individual, not indicative,
00:51:38where your vote is supposed to be secret, in those votes,
00:51:41free will and not being under pressure
00:51:44are absolute. Now, you say
00:51:48very clearly, for example, suddenly,
00:51:513 members, 4 from somewhere, change sides. I mean, for example, is there something
00:51:55these friends are afraid of? Why don't
00:51:58they openly state their votes? Look, for example, in the incidents
00:52:02in Ataşehir, at least
00:52:50"They will ruin me, I have a disabled daughter,
00:52:54how will my wife take care of her?" He made a statement openly.
00:52:57Özgür Çelik also openly said this,
00:53:01so we even have 50 witnesses that this
00:53:04person said these things. I know this because I personally gave a statement.
00:53:08I personally gave a statement, and we told the prosecutor that we have 50 witnesses. For example,
00:53:11it is clear that there was pressure here, that pressure was applied.
00:53:15Now, how will we talk about this being a legal process?
00:53:18None of these are legal processes. In particular,
00:53:21today, the same situation happened in Eyüpsultan. People who hid themselves in the first two rounds
00:53:25suddenly say in the third round, "We decided to vote for the AKP."
00:53:29This is clearly not normal,
00:53:33not legal.
00:53:35It is clear that these people are somehow under pressure,
00:53:39that they did not vote with their free will.
00:53:42Now, after this work has reached this stage,
00:53:46we cannot legitimize these,
00:53:48we cannot normalize them. And in Ataşehir, by going
00:53:52to the district election board and pasting the election certificates on that wall,
00:53:56I think the real meaning of this is, "Nothing will come of the certificates you have given."
00:53:59It is said that fair elections in this country
00:54:03no longer have any meaning. "Yes, yes, fair elections here have no
00:54:07meaning. The ballot box has become
00:54:10meaningless. What will happen if you vote 90%
00:54:14at the ballot box? The elected person, the elected
00:54:17person, in a way, and I am using "in a way" specifically,
00:54:21after being convinced in a way, what is the point of going
00:54:24to the election, what is the point of giving these certificates,
00:54:27therefore, citizens should know
00:54:30that the era of fair and free elections in Turkey
00:54:33is over. "If it continues like this,
00:54:37it is over. It is over, the ballot box has no
00:54:40meaning. The aim of the government is for citizens to participate
00:54:44in those ballot boxes
00:54:46that are placed formally, to participate in a way
00:54:50and vote. What the citizen
00:54:53chooses has no importance, because in previous
00:54:56events we experienced,
00:54:59these came out very clearly. Yes, for example, Hasan Muttu came out and said
00:55:03that it was announced. The general chairman announced, the provincial chairman
00:55:06announced, and said, "If I don't pass, they will arrest me."
00:55:10He didn't pass, he was arrested. The same thing happened to Sinem Dedetaş in Üsküdar.
00:55:13In Ataşehir, the same thing happened to Murat Güneş.
00:55:17Didn't they tell Murat Güneş that a message wasn't sent?
00:55:20"If you don't choose your side, an operation will come against you."
00:55:24The child, I apologize for saying child, but it's just a
00:55:27figure of speech. The Deputy Chairman made an open statement.
00:55:31What did he say? "Sovereignty unconditionally belongs to the nation."
00:55:35And so on, these statements were not made in vain, and
00:55:38indeed, the expected end came, the operation was carried out,
00:55:41it was carried out for very funny reasons, Murat Biniş was arrested with a secret
00:55:45witness statement, and a new election was held. Now, in Turkey,
00:55:48every kind of action is being taken to prevent us from believing in
00:55:52fair and free elections, to prevent us from participating
00:55:55in fair and free elections. We need to stand against this. Yes, let's not forget
00:55:59Fatma Kaplan Hürriyet. Of course, it's the same thing, we have
00:56:03so many examples.
00:56:08This woman bravely accepted to go to prison
00:56:11in politics. I'm very sorry, professor, professor, I'm very sorry.
00:56:15Examples are always given, these rotten apples are given as examples,
00:56:19those who change sides, etc. We have dozens of our comrades
00:56:22who are honorably in prison. We need to highlight them. I need to say that,
00:56:26Professor Ahat, well, now
00:56:29it's gone to Ataşehir, I don't know if they will object to Eyüpsultan tomorrow or not.
00:56:33There are some additional transfers or some
00:56:37arrests, but it's like, you know,
00:56:40derler ya gözün parmağına sokar gibi artık yani çok
00:56:43açık değil mi çok açık yapılmıyor mu bundan hiç mi imtina
00:56:47edilmiyor hasan basrıyalçın diyor ki bekleyin diyor ya müjde veriyorum
00:56:51diyor der gibi adeta bir bir büyükşehir daha gelecek
00:56:54diyor sevgili Gökmen Karadağ bu
00:56:57Ataşehir olayı ve Eüp olayı bugün
00:57:01geçen günlerde Üsküdar daha önce Adalar vesaire İstanbul.
00:57:05özelinde söylüyorum ama İzmir vesaire gibi bir
00:57:08büyük şehir de dahil olmak üzere Adalet ve Kalkınma
00:57:11Partisi saflarına transfer edilmesi meselesi. Bu
00:57:15mesele aslında bir eee. Adalet ve kalkınma partisi
00:57:18yani iktidar tarafından uygulanan
00:57:22büyük bir stratejinin parçaları, bunlar taktik
00:57:25hamleler, taktik hamleler
00:57:28ama asıl bir strateji var, nedir
00:57:31o? 2019 seçimlerinde işte
00:57:35İstanbul'u vesaire, Ankara'yı vesaireyi kaybetmiş
00:57:38olmayı bir yol kazası olarak tanımlamıştı o
00:57:41dönemde Sayın Cumhurbaşkanı, yani
00:57:44normalde olmayacak bir şey yol kazası. Bunu önümüzdeki
00:57:48seçimlerde nasusa alacağız şeklinde bir
00:57:51eee deklarasyonda bulundu. Daha sonra
00:57:54yapılan seçimlerde, yani 2023 eee
00:57:57seçimlerinde milli irade milli irade diye biliyorsunuz
00:58:01çok üzerinde dururlar. Milli irade
00:58:04sonuçta Cumhur İttifakı'na yani
00:58:08Adalet ve Kalkınma Partisi'ne iktidarı verdi.
00:58:11Cumhurbaşkanına da o partinin genel başkanı, cumhurbaşkanı
00:58:15seçildi. Ama yerel. yönetimlerde
00:58:18ise halkın teveccü ve
00:58:21yaklaşımı o yol kazası diye
00:58:24tanımlanarak küçümsenmeye çalışılan hadisenin
00:58:27aslında öyle olmadığı, yol kazası
00:58:30olmadığı, aksine ona doğru inşa
00:58:33edilen halk tarafından, millet tarafından geniş
00:58:36bir yol olduğu ortaya çıktı ve eee yerel
00:58:40yönetimlerde iktidar bir anlamda eee
00:58:44cumhuriyet halk partisi'ne, muhalefete daha doğrusu verildi.
00:58:47"muhalefete verildi, şimdi yine her zaman
00:58:51söylüyoruz, hatırlatıyoruz, daha doğrusu Sayın cumhurbaşkanının
00:58:54bu belediyeleri silkeleyin
00:58:57ifadesiyle beraber başlayan bir strateji var, bu
00:59:00stratejinin demin söylediğim gibi parçalarıyla şahit
00:59:04oluyoruz, ben şimdi şu görüşe katılmıyorum,
00:59:07yani bundan bir eee
00:59:11böyle meşruiyet arayışındalar,
00:59:13bundan utanıyorlar gizli gizli filan, böyle bir şey yok."
00:59:18"Bu tamamen makiyalist bir yaklaşım, amaca
00:59:22giden her yol mübahtır, yeter
00:59:24ki amaç gerçekleştirilebilsin
00:59:28ve amaca ulaşılabilsin, daha doğrusu, şu anda uygulanan
00:59:32strateji bu ve her bölgeye göre
00:59:35o bölgenin özelinde belediye
00:59:38meclis üyeleri üzerinden, belediye eee başkanı üzerinden,
00:59:42belediye başkan vekilleri üzerinden eğer başkan bir şekilde
00:59:45uzaklaştırılmışsa vesaire."
00:59:48ciddi bir şey politikası uygulanıyor ve bu
00:59:51belediye meclis tabii belediye meclis üyelerinin
00:59:55üzerine uygulanan politikanın baskı
00:59:57politikalarının bu kadar başarılı olmasını da bir anlamda
01:00:01butlan politikasıyla butlan
01:00:04eee yani Türk dünya hukukunda
01:00:07Türk hukukunda olmayan eee Butlan uygulamasıyla
01:00:11cumhuriyet Halk Partisi'ni geçmiş dönemin Cumhuriyet Halk Partisi'ni yerel
01:00:15yönetimlerde başarılı olmuş. i
01:00:18ikiye bölmek suretiyle bir anlamda ve
01:00:21bu belediye meclis üyelerinde de benzer bir
01:00:25süreci yaşatmak sonucu şimdi
01:00:28rahatlıkla transfer etme sürecini
01:00:31yaşatabiliyorlar
01:00:33uygulayabiliyorlar ve bunlarda bundan bir rahatsızlık falan
01:00:37duymadıklarından kesinlikle eminim çünkü bir
01:00:40meşruiyet arayışı olsa bir rahatsızlık olsa eee Üsküdar'daki
01:00:44hadiseyi hatırlayın yani neyle açık?
01:00:47Ebilirsiniz. Tutukluyorsunuz.
01:00:50Oylamadan sonra serbest bırakıyorsunuz. Demek ki bunlar suçlu
01:00:54değildi. Bunlar aslında o iddia
01:00:57edildiği gibi, yargının eee ifade
01:01:00etmeye çalıştığı gibi. Bu tutukladıkları şahıslar,
01:01:04bir hanımefendi, bir eee beyefendi arkadaş,
01:01:07bunlar şey değildi, suçlu falan değildi. Herhangi bir şeyleri de
01:01:10yoktu. Ama sırf seçimlerde oy
01:01:13kullanamasınlar diye gözaltına
01:01:16aldılar. da serbest bıraktılar, bundan daha büyük
01:01:19bir eee nasıl söyleyeyim,
01:01:23meşruiyet arayışı olmadığını
01:01:26gösteren hı hı bir şey olabilir mi? yani yargı bir
01:01:29anlamda artık Türkiye'de yerel yönetimlerde de
01:01:33belki önümüzde genel yönetim, genel eee seçimlerde
01:01:36de artık siyaset yargının
01:01:39çerçevelediği alan içerisinde yürüyor, iktidarın
01:01:43gösterdiği, iktidarın işaret ettiği ama
01:01:46yargının şekillendirdiği alan
01:01:49içerisinde devam ediyor maalesef, maalesef ve
01:01:52giderek de artacak. Şimdi bu olaylar bu büyük stratejinin bir
01:01:56parçasıdır dedim. O strateji tabii büyük şehirleri almayı
01:02:00amaçlıyor, büyük şehirleri almayı
01:02:02amaçlıyor. İzmir'de başarılı oldu.
01:02:06Burada da daha önce de konuşmuştuk burada, haftalar önce, belki aylar
01:02:10önce konuşmuştuk. IBB'nin asıl hedef olduğu söyleniyor. IBB'ni asıl hedef olduğu
01:02:13söl hedefin IBB olduğunu ve IBB'yi almak
01:02:17için. bu girişimlerin yapıldığını
01:02:20söylemiştim, aynı görüşüm, görüşteyim ve
01:02:23ona devam ediyor, bunlar tek tek başlarına alındıklarında
01:02:27işte Ataşehir diye tartışılabilir. diye
01:02:30tartışılabilir ama asıl amaç eee
01:02:33IBB'yi almak şimdi bir an için düşünün
01:02:36IBB'yi almış İzmir İstanbul'a almış yani İzmir'i almış
01:02:40belki gelecekte Adana'yı almış bilmem Mersin'e almış
01:02:43falan yani böyle bir iktidar
01:02:47diyorsunuz ki veya elden tabii elden başka bir şey
01:02:51de gelmiyor bunu ifade etmekten başka yani
01:02:54orada yönetimlerin daha doğrusu belediyelerin Adalet ve
01:02:57kalkınma partisi'ne geçmesiyle. ilk
01:03:00seçimde
01:03:05çok daha farklı bir şey verebilecek ama
01:03:08o ara dönemde ara dönemde birkaç şey
01:03:12gerçekleştirilebilecek: bir bu büyükşehirlerin ciddi
01:03:15manada potansiyeli, ciddi
01:03:18manada birikimi, ciddi manada işte vergisinden
01:03:22tutun bilmem neyine kadar, her şey, her şey bir anlamda
01:03:25iktidara hizmet edecek yöne çevrilecek, bu
01:03:28bir ikinci. isi bu uygulamalar bu uygulamalar
01:03:32biraz önce İsmail eee kardeşimin söylediği gibi
01:03:36vatandaşta yahu biz
01:03:39yani ona oy versek de istediğimizi seçsek
01:03:42de bunlar hiç önemli
01:03:45değil yani sandığa giden
01:03:48sandıktan bir şekilde bir şeyler bekleyen değişimi sandıkta
01:03:52bekleyen ve buna potansiyalize olan buna
01:03:55kendini hazırlayan vatandaşların da büyük bölümünü
01:03:58sandıktan uzaklaştır. ama imkanını ve şansını
01:04:02yakalıyor iktidar böylece. bir başka boyutu da şu,
01:04:06daha önce de burada ifade etmiştim, bu şekilde
01:04:09belediyeleri hiçbir, yani
01:04:12çoğu yerde herhangi bir suçlama Bahapsarde olduğu
01:04:16gibi, yani ortada somut bir suçlama dahi
01:04:19yok, suçlama dahi yok, ama
01:04:22rahatlıkla onu gözaltına alıp tutuklayabiliyorsunuz,
01:04:26bu diğer muhalefet belediyeleri için de
01:04:29sadece... eee cumhuriyet halk yeni parti veya cumhuriyet halk partisi belediyeleri için
01:04:33değil diğer eee partilerin de belediyeleri için şöyle
01:04:37bir korku oluşturuyor, yarın bir gün bana da sıra
01:04:40gelir mi? sonuçta ufak
01:04:43bir sorunu olan yani yönetiminde bir
01:04:47eee yani
01:04:50belki usul hatası olan belediye başkanları
01:04:53bile imkan bulursa AKP'ye
01:04:56geçmek için yollar aramaya başlıyorlar ki nitekim şahit.
01:05:08çalışma var, yani parlamento aritmetiğini kendi
01:05:11istedikleri, biraz önce söylediğim makeevelist
01:05:14yöntemlerle kendi istedikleri amaca ulaşmak açısından
01:05:17işte anayasa değişikliğinden tutun da
01:05:20yeniden seçimde cumhurbaşkanının aday olabilmesine
01:05:24varıncaya kadar bunlara da imkan sağlama
01:05:27arayışı var yani bu süreçte. yani genel seçime de bu
01:05:31süreç devam edecek, genel seçime bu belediyeleri ele geçirmiş bir
01:05:35şekilde eee gidecek, o imkanları
01:05:39belediyeleri ele geçirmiş durumda olacak, ama
01:05:42ele geçirmediği belediyelerde de bir anlamda paralize
01:05:45ettiği yani dondurduğu, çalışmalarını
01:05:48büyük ölçüde eee durdurduğu belediyelerde
01:05:52de böyle bir eee olumsuz halka karşı daha
01:05:56doğrusu halkta böyle ya beklentilerimizi de eee
01:05:59karşılayamıyor. falan diye böyle bir soğuma, böyle bir
01:06:03olumsuz algı, istenilen ve araştırılan şeyler
01:06:06bunlar gibi görünüyor, bu strateji maalesef seçimlere
01:06:10kadar da devam edecek gibi görünüyor, evet eee
01:06:13bir eee son dakika gelişmesi olarak verdiğimiz bir haber
01:06:17var, sayın seyirciler, İstanbul'da Koşuyolu yüksek ihtisas
01:06:21Eğitim ve araştırma Hastanesi'nde yangın çıktı, hastalar
01:06:24tahliye ediliyor eee
01:06:27ve eee ihbar üzerine olay yerine itfaiye. ekipleri sevk
01:06:30edildi eee yangına müdahalesi sürüyor
01:06:34ekiplerin eee çok bilinen bir hastane burası
01:06:38İstanbul'da eee hastalar tahliye ediliyor e bununla
01:06:41ilgili bir yandan son dakika bilgisi olarak
01:06:44arkadaşlarımız o bilgiyi verdi ekranın altından şu anda da
01:06:48görüntüleri görüyorsunuz yangına müdahale eee
01:06:51görüntülerini görüyorsunuz İstanbul'da Koşuyolu yüksek ihtisas
01:06:55Eğitim ve araştırma Hastanesinde yangın
01:06:57çıktı eee önemli de eee bir yer büyükte bir yer hastalar
01:07:01tahliye ediliyor bir son dakika gelişmesi olarak
01:07:04duyuruyoruz yan tarafı da hasta hani Lütfi Kırdır hastanesi
01:07:08bayağı büyük bir kompleks orası büyük bir alan yani
01:07:12görebildiğimiz bu bunun ötesinde herhangi
01:07:14bir sahip olmadığımız ayrıntı bilgi
01:07:17aktarmak da istemiyoruz şu an aktarabileceklerimiz sadece
01:07:20these are the only things we can convey. The fire intervention continues,
01:07:24patients are being evacuated. We will convey new developments
01:07:27and information to you, dear viewers.
01:07:30Will you say something? Can I make an addition so there's no
01:07:33misunderstanding? Now, the professor said they are not legitimate. I said
01:07:37that for this reason, professor: now, the person
01:07:41elected as the deputy mayor of Ataşehir made a statement and said,
01:07:44"We were elected by those who have authority from Ataşehir."
01:07:48But there is a need for a justification somewhere. We know that they didn't
01:07:51elect you there, Erdoğan elected you there. If you're going to thank
01:07:54someone, go thank Erdoğan. They have no say. I was trying
01:07:58there is a group
01:08:02trying to play at being pro-ballot-box and pro-democracy.
01:08:05I wanted to point out that this is not the case. Now, Fikret
01:08:09brother. First, I have a question about Mansur Yavaş,
01:08:12but I will ask for your comment on Kılıçdaroğlu's targeting of Hak TV.
01:08:16The reason I'm keeping the Mansur Yavaş part short is this, dear viewers:
01:08:19Mansur Yavaş is tired of denying things, he's tired.
01:08:23I mean, this time too, Hasan Basri Yalçın,
01:08:26when he participated in a television program, said,
01:08:30"Another metropolitan municipality is coming." He said, "Another metropolitan
01:08:33municipality is coming." "What exactly did the AKP deputy chairman
01:08:36say? He said, "Let's not name names, but there is
01:08:39a metropolitan municipality in line. We hope to see it very soon.
01:08:43Our President also said the door is open.
01:08:46He said, "We are waiting." Now,
01:08:49some people probably wondered if this was about Mansur Yavaş,
01:08:52so Mansur Yavaş had to make another denial.
01:08:56Yes, yes, Gökben, now when the news was made that
01:08:59another metropolitan mayor would join the AK Party,
01:09:03these comments that the Mayor of Ankara Metropolitan
01:09:07Municipality, Mansur Yavaş, was being referred to,
01:09:10became widespread.
01:09:12Since Mansur Yavaş resigned from the CHP a short while ago,
01:09:16there was a perception that the person
01:09:19who would join the AK Party was Mansur Yavaş.
01:09:23So, Mr. Mansur Yavaş, as he had done before,
01:09:26thinking that he was being targeted and indicated,
01:09:30made another statement and denied it.
01:09:34I mean, he again said that
01:09:37he would not join the AK Party, and that he had previously considered
01:09:41joining another party.
01:09:54First, Mr. Mansur Yavaş being a politician with MHP roots,
01:09:58coming from MHP to CHP, he is a name
01:10:00who came to CHP from the right wing. Second,
01:10:03why did he resign from CHP?
01:10:06Did he resign to join the AK Party?
01:10:09Such comments are being made, because Mr. Mansur Yavaş
01:10:13did not join the new party either. Usually, those who leave
01:10:17CHP joined the new party,
01:10:20the mayors, but since Mr. Mansur Yavaş
01:10:24did not join the new party, comments increased about whether
01:10:28he would go to the AK Party. When these comments became widespread,
01:10:32Mr. Mansur Yavaş had to make another statement,
01:10:36and he again said, "I will not join the AK Party,"
01:10:39even though he had previously considered joining another party.
01:10:45Which metropolitan area did he mean? Is such a thing being discussed
01:10:49in Ankara's political circles? Yes, I haven't heard of another
01:10:53metropolitan mayor in Ankara being mentioned. This news was always attributed
01:10:56to Mansur Yavaş. I haven't read or heard the name
01:10:59of another metropolitan CHP mayor. We can say this very easily.
01:11:03Well, dear viewers, soon
01:11:06we will move on to the issue of the fund fraud.
01:11:09He prepared and sent a report about it.
01:11:17What is in the report? Turkey Newspaper writer himself
01:11:20wrote, "The prosecutor has a lot more
01:11:23on Fatma Betül Sayankaya," he said. "HTS records,
01:11:26this and that." What are those?
01:11:30We will talk about them. Akıngürlek made a statement,
01:11:33"How many people in total, how many billion Turkish Lira in total
01:11:36gained from this?" He is waiting for it to be announced
01:11:40in the new party. What will happen? Will it be announced?
01:11:43Who are those people? How much money have they earned?
01:11:47We will talk about all these, but
01:11:49all these facts about Turkey's agenda,
01:11:53Halk TV, which you watch with great appreciation,
01:11:57this screen, this screen,
01:11:59Kılıçdaroğlu targeted
01:12:02this screen. Kılıçdaroğlu targeted
01:12:05Halk TV, and with what words?
01:12:08Look, I'll give you those words, and then, friends, I'll ask for
01:12:12visual number two from you. Cafer Mahiroğlu's
01:12:16share. Now he says this:
01:12:19Kılıçdaroğlu says, "Why doesn't the owner of Halk
01:12:23TV come to Turkey? In which country
01:12:25in the world is there a television channel whose owner is in a foreign country
01:12:29and broadcasts in his own country? It broadcasts fake news 24 hours
01:12:32a day. You will give correct
01:12:35news." First, Cafer Mahiroğlu
01:12:38has repeatedly explained this to the public.
01:12:42Due to an accusation that ended up in the file,
01:12:46his name was implicated, and he is abroad.
01:12:49Moreover, it's not just for this reason, he spent a significant
01:12:53and long period of his business life in England.
01:12:56Now he says, "You broadcast fake news 24 hours a day,
01:13:00you will give correct news." Dear viewers,
01:13:03for God's sake, among news channels, most of the time,
01:13:07both throughout the day and in the most watched time slot, Halk TV
01:13:11often, sometimes for a whole month, comes first,
01:13:14it comes first in viewership ratings.
01:13:17For God's sake, write, I mean, do you watch us because
01:13:21we broadcast fake news 24 hours a day? Why do you watch us? Look, Kılıçdaroğlu
01:13:25says this. Butlan management, our friends
01:13:28reported this as a lie to RTÜK. Look, this is even more critical,
01:13:31because here, who exactly went, who went?
01:13:35Who are your friends? What did they go and
01:13:38say? Did they request something about Halk TV?
01:13:42RTÜK also wrote a letter saying it's not
01:13:45within our area of responsibility. This is clearly
01:13:49targeting, this is clearly targeting, and it is an open call
01:13:52to the public for some institutions to take advantage of the situation.
01:13:56Excuse me, what do you want them to do, Mr. Kılıçdaroğlu?
01:14:00What should they do?
01:14:03Should they shut it down? Should they revoke its license?
01:14:07Should they darken this screen?
01:14:09So, what about the millions of viewers who watch us every
01:14:13day, every evening, and who often, and sometimes for a whole month,
01:14:16put us in first place among news channels? What will they think
01:14:20about your call? "If something happens to this channel,
01:14:24if something happens to this screen, how will you account
01:14:27to those millions of viewers? What will you tell
01:14:30them?" The Chairman of the Board,
01:14:33Cafer Mahiroğlu, shared a tweet about this. "Mr. Butlan
01:14:37Kılıçdaroğlu has again targeted Halk TV and me personally.
01:14:40The situation of a person who sat in Atatürk's chair for 13 years,
01:14:43lost an election in a democratic congress, is nearly 80 years
01:14:47old, and served as the Chairman of a deeply rooted Republican institution
01:14:50like the CHP is a lesson. In a way unprecedented
01:15:10and trolls in his office, where it's unknown who pays his rent
01:15:13and from where, has the audacity to target
01:15:16me and Halk TV. Today, I will only say one thing:
01:15:19you are the most unfortunate event
01:15:22to ever happen to Turkish politics." Cafer
01:15:26Mahiroğlu made this post.
01:15:28Fikret brother, you know,
01:15:32yesterday or the day before yesterday, the MHP deputy chairman
01:15:36said, "The licenses of Sözcü
01:15:38and HKTV should be reviewed." Now,
01:15:41now Kılıçdaroğlu also says this.
01:15:44Isn't this a request for censorship?
01:15:46Isn't this a request
01:15:49to silence a channel? This social
01:15:52democrat? These are very unfair criticisms. I have been
01:16:02making programs on Halk TV for many years
01:16:06and writing articles, and I am a frequent contributor.
01:16:10It needs to be reminded to Mr. Kılıçdaroğlu
01:16:14that when he was the chairman of the CHP, in the old CHP,
01:16:16Halk TV was one of the channels that reported the most accurate
01:16:20and most news about the CHP. Halk TV
01:16:23itself, because it does real journalism
01:16:27and does not publish under the guidance of the government
01:16:30or the opposition. target, meaning
01:16:34heavy fines are imposed on Halk TV at every opportunity. You know
01:16:37Halk TV is really
01:16:40providing the best example of objective
01:16:43journalism and objective news reporting. It's providing the best example,
01:16:47which is why it's the most watched news channel almost
01:16:51every day, every hour. This is the reality in Turkey
01:16:54anyway. There are only one or two televisions, one or two newspapers
01:16:57left that are not under the control of the government, and
01:17:01Halk TV is at the top of these televisions. It's the most watched channel, Halk TV,
01:17:04and Halk TV also produces the most
01:17:08special news. It's worth remembering again.
01:17:11That is, while other media, televisions, and
01:17:14newspapers made no news or
01:17:18constantly negative news about CHP, the main opposition
01:17:21party leader Kılıçdaroğlu, Halk
01:17:25TV, in a period when it made news, with a real journalistic
01:17:28approach, often interviewed Mr. Kılıçdaroğlu,
01:17:31and I also did many of them. We announced them to the public
01:17:35both on screens and as articles on halktv.com.
01:17:38So, Halk TV has been the one that
01:17:41has made the voice of CHP and Kılıçdaroğlu heard the most.
01:17:44As I said, it did this with real journalistic
01:17:48value. So, when there was a development
01:17:52about the government that was newsworthy, we also heard and watched
01:17:55it as news on Halk TV, and we made comments about it.
01:17:58In this regard, I believe Mr. Kılıçdaroğlu is being unfair,
01:18:01because if you look back at his broadcasts, articles,
01:18:05and news, it will be very clear
01:18:08that Halk TV genuinely practices objective journalism and
01:18:11that Halk TV is again the channel that gives the most space to opposition
01:18:15parties. This reality
01:18:18will emerge. This reality
01:18:22cannot be changed because it has already gone down in history with its broadcasts.
01:18:26Halk TV will continue to maintain this broadcasting approach, Ms. Gizem.
01:18:29What do you say? Kılıçdaroğlu targeted
01:18:32AKTV. Yes, first of all, I would like to
01:18:35start my words by thanking you once again for implementing
01:18:39the principles of independent and impartial broadcasting and
01:18:43for defending the public's right to information. Because as long as there are
01:18:46independent organizations that defend the public's right to information
01:18:50in this sense, media organs, they are the breathing tube of
01:18:54democracy, and if there is democracy in a country, there must be
01:18:58impartial and independent media organizations. In fact,
01:19:01there is something like this at the core of the statement, he says, 'In which country does this exist?'
01:19:05This is exactly the question that needs to be asked... In fact,
01:19:08why in this country does the manager of a media
01:19:12organization established in accordance with the principles of independent
01:19:15and impartial broadcasting have to reside
01:19:18abroad? Isn't that actually the main question and issue?
01:19:22This means that what happened to tele1 in Turkey today
01:19:25is evident, what happened to journalists today
01:19:28is evident. Many people have been detained and arrested
01:19:32so far for defending the public's right to information. It's not over, there are
01:19:35still journalists in prison. You will defend these on the one hand,
01:19:39and on the other hand, you will make such a statement. These two
01:19:43contain a great contradiction within themselves. Also,
01:19:46it is necessary to draw this line:
01:19:50you said that one or two
01:19:53politicians made statements in this regard. A deputy from the Nationalist
01:19:56Movement Party also made a statement to this effect.
01:19:59In Turkey, will politicians decide
01:20:02what kind of broadcasting a broadcasting organization
01:20:06will do within which principles and ethical rules? Isn't
01:20:10this exactly what we are objecting
01:20:51So, it's an explanation
01:20:54that we really can't make sense of, and we are also against
01:20:57Halk TV, the spokesperson, and media organizations
01:21:00being targeted in this way. Yes, look, Mustafa
01:21:03Balcı, they were arrested. They were arrested.
01:21:07Murat Ağral, İsmail Saymaz, first judicial control, signature, etc.
01:21:11was given, travel ban abroad. The prosecutor's office objected
01:21:15this time, and in the fourth court,
01:21:18come on, house arrest, friend, what's happening? Soon.
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01:22:35Clearly continues. Dear viewers.
01:22:45He will have a reminder for us, let's take that, then let's move on to the fund issue.
01:22:49Now, in that file, the
01:22:52allegation directed at Cafer Mayıroğlu is about
01:22:56a structure he bought in the Bosphorus Development Directorate
01:22:59area, where was being carried out in Beykoz
01:23:02This is a matter brought up by the effective
01:23:05repentant Yakup Öner. Yes, by Yakup Öner, this was
01:23:09cross-examined in court about a week ago.
01:23:11This issue came to light there.
01:23:15The accusation directed at Cafer
01:23:17Mayıroğlu here is that he made
01:23:21illegal constructions and tried to prevent
01:23:24their demolition. There is such a thing.
01:23:28Now, during his cross-examination, we always
01:23:32say this, the presiding judge first
01:23:35asks all effective repenters, "Do you stand by your statements
01:23:39to the prosecutor?" They say, "Yes, I do."
01:23:42Right? So, it's accepted as if they reiterated their
01:23:45claims in court. That's not how it works. There's what happens
01:23:495 minutes later, and it's the same situation in all of them,
01:23:52without exception. Yakup Öner asked Murat Onu. He said,
01:23:56"Did I make a statement to you that would prevent
01:23:59these from being demolished?" He said, "No." "Were they demolished?"
01:24:03He said, "Yes." "So, what's the problem?" Then it turned to, "I didn't
01:24:06explain it that way." It turned to, "I didn't explain it that way."
01:24:10Yes. So, that's how that issue is. But it's clear
01:24:13that it's brought up politically. Uh,
01:24:17a target. Targeting. Also, I will address
01:24:20this issue: Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu is not doing
01:24:23this for the first time. I immediately remembered, looked at my phone,
01:24:27immediately took note. On February 7, 2025, he again
01:24:30went on KRT and this time made
01:24:34his famous congress and betrayal speech. He made this
01:24:37last targeting in an interview on KRT yesterday, yes. He also
01:24:41did this on KRT. So, he has a speech on February 7, 2025.
01:24:45Look, immediately a month after, operations
01:24:49were carried out against the Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality and other mayors.
01:24:52I remember very well the dates when he made this speech, because
01:24:56I went to the Beykoz operation. As a lawyer, an operation
01:24:59against Alaattin Köselire and others, and he came out and
01:25:03did this exactly at that time, and the reason
01:25:05for doing it was essentially to divide the masses and
01:25:09open a path. Indeed, a month later, on March
01:25:1219, this operation was carried out in Istanbul Metropolitan.
01:25:16As far as I can see, he has again taken on a mission here.
01:25:20Therefore, it is necessary to be careful
01:25:23in this regard. I just explained the legal situation.
01:25:38A great responsibility falls on the viewers. Of course,
01:25:41let's give the new party an opportunity to make a statement
01:25:45on this matter, because Deputy Chairman Erhan Usta
01:25:48is with us in our broadcast. Mr. Erhan, if you would like to say something
01:25:51about Halk TV being targeted,
01:25:53we can take it.
01:25:56Of course, in such a time, in a place
01:25:59where there is so much pressure, if you are not on the side
01:26:03of the government, if you criticize them, it is extremely
01:26:06difficult to do journalism and television broadcasting.
01:26:10Of course, I don't have much opportunity
01:26:14to watch television. I don't know on what basis Mr. Kılıçdaroğlu
01:26:17said this, but whatever the basis, he should
01:26:20clearly state it. But no matter what,
01:26:23he may not have liked a broadcast of a television
01:26:27channel, but even if he didn't like it,
01:26:30he should refrain from words that could imply censorship
01:26:34or a request for censorship, or a request for blackout.
01:26:37But of course, Mr. Kılıçdaroğlu continues to surprise
01:26:40us. I'll just say that. Yes, dear
01:26:44viewers, this situation is like this, this job
01:26:47is already difficult. Let me just finish
01:26:50this chapter by repeating my words.
01:26:54If this were a channel that broadcast fake news 24 hours a day,
01:26:57as Kılıçdaroğlu claims, millions of people would never
01:27:01watch it. This channel would not be the most
01:27:04watched channel among news channels. Therefore, there is a contradiction
01:27:08in this part of the matter. He says, "I sent my friends
01:27:11to RTÜK." Whom did you send? What did you request from RTÜK?
01:27:15We will continue to follow these. Now let's come
01:27:18to the fund issue, the fund scam. Look, today is Saturday,
01:27:22Monday, if the new party is going to protect
01:27:25the deadline it announced before, its decision and
01:27:29promise on that matter, and if that list
01:27:32is not announced until and including Monday,
01:27:36the list that the new
01:28:04these names, they have the right to be unblemished." We will see
01:28:08if this right to be unblemished applies in Turkey, when it applies
01:28:11to whom, and when it doesn't. Look, what did Özgür Özel say
01:28:15in his last statement on this matter? Friends, 4a and
01:28:184b, this visual.
01:28:24I will ask you. This issue was on Özgür Özel's agenda, and let's see what he said. Will Özgür Özel's
01:28:27new party finally announce this list on Monday? If it does,
01:28:31Özgür Özel's statement is very noteworthy and requires attention
01:28:34before that. He says, "The government's chemistry
01:28:38has been disrupted regarding the fund crisis. You must have
01:28:41watched Ömer Çelik. You saw his panic, his body language, his tension,
01:28:44the haste of the guilty. They said, 'From now on,
01:28:48we are in the highest position of legal and political
01:28:52struggle and alarm.' After he said that,
01:28:55four journalists were deprived of their freedom. Our
01:28:58friend Mustafa from Sözcü newspaper shared a
01:29:01concert photo from Ömer Çelik's vacation with Nacar
01:29:05in Bodrum. The event is real,
01:29:08the news is real, the photo is real,
01:29:11but it's not those who defraud the nation, but those who
01:29:14expose it who are put in prison. They opened
01:29:17an account, and Mrs. Fatma deposited the principal
01:29:20with interest, and the remaining part she graciously
01:29:24gave. Is there such a thing
01:29:27as a door of repentance in democracy, in a state
01:29:30of law?
01:29:33They say, "We opened an account called the repentance
01:29:37account, those who follow their desires should put the money
01:29:40here, we will not go after them."
01:29:43Let's continue with his statements.
01:29:46He says the fund crisis is a state crisis.
01:29:50If Erdoğan did this, he should resign immediately
01:29:53and be held accountable. If his ministers, deputy chairmen,
01:29:57bureaucrats, and those he
01:30:01appointed did it,
01:30:04he has lost his ability to govern. Elections
01:30:08should be held immediately. The list of names
01:30:11should be published as soon as possible. If the
01:30:14new party members had done 1% of this work,
01:30:18at 6 in the morning, the entire list of 270 people
01:30:22and all their close relatives would have
01:30:25been taken into custody and would now be on trial
01:30:28in custody. They would be on trial
01:30:31in custody. But now, regarding whether those
01:30:35names will be announced or not, things like the right to be unblemished
01:30:39and the presumption of innocence are being mentioned. Now,
01:30:42let's first ask Gizem Özcan, Deputy Chairperson of the new party.
01:30:46Ms. Gizem, if this list
01:30:48is not announced on Monday,
01:30:52or if, I don't know, I won't say anything, I won't
01:30:55make a distinction by saying important names, but if this list
01:30:59is not shared with the public generally, the new party will announce it.
01:31:04"Yes, we shouldn't separate them as important names. There is a very
01:31:07big, really, scam here.
01:31:11We should see this clearly. There are similar cases in the world,
01:31:15yes, there have been various corruptions in this sense,
01:31:18but there is no other example in the world where so many
01:31:22political figures and bureaucrats are mentioned. Frankly,
01:31:25the process that society particularly seeks answers for, that is,
01:31:28waits for answers to questions, that it wants to be carried out
01:31:31with transparency, is actually exactly this. Our stance
01:31:35as the new party is clear. As our esteemed chairman Özgür
01:31:38Özel also stated, we say the list should be announced
01:31:42as soon as possible. Who says there is a list? In his statement,
01:31:46Minister Akın Gürlek says that
01:31:48in the fund scam, 214 people and companies
01:31:52earned 187 billion liras, and
01:31:56these need to be clearly revealed. Why do they
01:31:59need to be revealed? Actually,
01:32:03as long as you don't announce this and reveal it
01:32:05and don't conduct the process transparently, you are fueling
01:32:09speculation every day, and in this sense,
01:32:12society's suspicions that it is not being conducted transparently
01:32:16are growing. Also, as the list
01:32:18is hidden, information, whether true
01:32:22or false, about other names is revealed,
01:32:26and people are unfairly accused. If the presumption of innocence
01:32:30is really going to be established, then here
01:32:34these should be shared transparently with the public. Our
01:32:36hope here or what we want
01:32:39to do is not to create a political discussion,
01:32:43but to know and feel that there is a process
01:32:46that is effective in its application of law and institutions,
01:32:50and is transparently shared with the public,
01:32:53which is society's biggest desire right now.
01:32:56And you will also look at it from this perspective: Ms. Minister
01:33:00Mayur can control this,
01:33:04but the public, those who are truly
01:33:07victims of this in the country, because it's a very large
01:33:10number, we're talking about 450,000,
01:33:1355,000 unique individuals. They will be able
01:33:16to see these, regarding their control, but the citizen,
01:33:20the Turkish Grand National Assembly will not be able to see this.
01:33:24Look, during the week, all research proposals in parliament,
01:33:27all of the opposition's political parties'
01:33:30research proposals, in this sense, the establishment
01:33:34of a research commission, and of course, the legal part
01:33:38will proceed separately, to see a process
01:33:41here and to create the impact that society expects,
01:33:45and for transparency to be realized,
01:33:48we requested the establishment of a research commission
01:33:51under the roof of the Turkish Grand National Assembly
01:33:54to take this responsibility
01:34:05has already emerged, so many people have been victimized,
01:34:09such a large amount is being discussed. Look,
01:34:12186 billion. Now, it happens like this when you
01:35:05liras in your account, and every day, without exception,
01:35:08every day, without exception, imagine that
01:35:11you wake up and there is 1 million in your account,
01:35:15but this money should be deposited into your account for exactly
01:35:18514 years, not one year, not 10 years.
01:35:21Let me express it with another example.
01:35:25How many of our citizens can do this today? It's impossible
01:35:29in Turkey, but let's assume they save 100,000 liras
01:35:32every month. They don't eat, they don't drink, they put 100,000 liras aside.
01:35:36Very few people can do this, but if they deposit
01:35:39100,000 liras every month without touching a single
01:35:42penny, for this, more than 150,056
01:35:46thousand years, 100,000 liras must be deposited every month.
01:35:49That is, we are talking about such a large amount of money,
01:35:53such a big scam. So, when this is the case,
01:35:56when such a large amount of money is at stake,
01:36:00which presumption of innocence, which right to be unblemished?
01:36:03Is that right to be unblemished only valid for politicians,
01:36:07or bureaucrats, or for privileges that need to be protected?
01:36:11Didn't our mayors, their families, spouses, children,
01:36:16fathers, mothers have the same right to be unblemished?
01:36:20I'm not saying that some people should be executed without trial,
01:36:23punished in advance. I would never say such a thing.
01:36:26But truly, the rules of law
01:36:30and law must be applied equally and fairly to all
01:36:33citizens, and you, as the government's duty,
01:36:37after this process has emerged, must make
01:36:40the inhabitants of this country,
01:36:43every citizen of the Republic of Turkey,
01:36:46feel that the process is transparently conducted
01:36:50and applied equally and fairly to everyone.
01:36:53Otherwise, you cannot sit in those seats.
01:36:56Today, you must not create the feeling
01:36:59that privileges are given to some. There is a magic
01:37:03sentence: whenever something happens, whenever there is a problem,
01:37:06they immediately come out, and the first thing done is this:
01:37:10arrest, prison, morning operation.
01:37:13These don't happen here, they don't work, or we,
01:37:16as citizens, as inhabitants of this country,
01:37:19cannot encounter the reality that
01:37:22a sense of responsibility is taken, such as the resignation
01:37:26of those responsible. But there is a magic sentence
01:37:29that appears whenever such a problem occurs: "It will be pursued
01:37:33to the end." Believe me, when I hear this, I truly
01:37:36become more anxious, that is, will it really be like this?
01:37:40Because whenever a problem arises, whenever we encounter
01:37:43a problematic situation, this magic sentence is uttered,
01:37:47whereas what we want to hear is not this sentence, but to see
01:37:50these things done concretely. Look, a bill will come to
01:37:53the Planning and Budget Commission on October 14. What is
01:37:56intended by this? That is, the aim here is not
01:38:00to truly identify those responsible and remedy the grievances.
01:38:03We see this as an operation to whitewash certain individuals
01:38:06by establishing a parallel legal system
01:38:10and deviating from existing legal rules and practices.
01:38:14That is, look, Article 107/3 of the Capital
01:38:17Markets Board (CMB) is very clear: it says that if effective
01:38:20remorse is to be mentioned, here, twice the amount must
01:38:24be paid to the treasury. But here, even
01:38:28though there is such an article, we see that a bill is brought
01:38:30before us in the opposite way, leaving it to the will
01:38:34of the party on a voluntary basis. On the other
01:38:37hand, when citizens are truly
01:38:41so victimized, it's easy to tell people
01:38:44to be careful, but there are people
01:38:47who trusted the state's institutions and rules,
01:38:49and in this sense, went and invested their savings,
01:38:53money they saved from their teeth and nails.
01:38:56"There are many of our citizens, many
01:38:59people who are victims, and small investors are
01:39:02actually a reflection of the economic conditions
01:39:06in Turkey. Today, when you look, people cannot buy a house,
01:39:10cannot buy a car, cannot save, and to protect
01:39:13their small savings from being crushed under inflation,
01:39:16they engage in certain actions and transactions.
01:39:20Moreover, all these are not only not working
01:39:23because the control mechanisms are not working, but also
01:39:27with certain advertisements and reliable people acting
01:39:30as intermediaries here, and perhaps this also
01:39:33needs to be explained, it is put forward
01:39:37as an allegation, of course, but did the presence
01:39:40of certain bureaucratic names there create
01:39:43this sense of trust in society and cause the grievance
01:39:46to grow so much? Of course, these
01:39:50need to be investigated and revealed in all
01:39:53their aspects. There is no escaping this, let's
01:39:56say it clearly. As the new party,
01:40:00we also say this: as the list
01:40:03is kept secret, these processes will become
01:40:06more open to speculation, and the feeling that this
01:40:10is being tried to be covered up will be created more
01:40:13in society. This should be announced as soon as possible,
01:40:17it should be shown that this process is transparently
01:40:19conducted, a research commission should be established in parliament,
01:40:23and it should be done by truly giving content to that
01:40:26word, no matter where it goes, but it should
01:40:30be done in a way that the law applies equally
01:40:32to everyone. What do you do with the allegations? The names
01:40:36at the center of the allegations are called. If it were us,
01:40:39okay, the application should be like this, it is correct
01:40:42I wish our mayors applied this to all
01:40:46politicians in Turkey who have no suspicion
01:40:48of fleeing, who are here and have a permanent
01:40:52residence. Or today, you see
01:40:55the owner of the claim cannot answer, but
01:40:59the journalist who made the claim
01:41:02olabilir mi? madem siz bir iddia ortaya atıldıysa
01:41:06çıkarsınız, yalanlarsınız, bununla ilgili işlemleri yaparsınız,
01:41:09delil ve belgeleriyle ortaya koyarsınız,
01:41:12ama hoşumuza giden haberleri yapan gazeteciler
01:41:16dışarıda olabilir ama hoşuma gitmeyen haberi yapan
01:41:19kişiden yolu cezaevidir diyen bir anlayışla bir
01:41:23ülke yönetilemez maalesef. peki şimdi arkadaşlar 8 numaralı
01:41:26görseli... görsel,
01:41:32sonra da 11, 12, 13 numaralı görsel, ondan sonra da
01:41:35yine bu işlerle çok ilgili bir isim, yeni parti genel başkan
01:41:38yardımcısı Erhan Usta'nın yorumunu alacağım bu konuda,
01:41:42is arrested. Can there be such a structure?
01:41:45If a claim is made, you come out,
01:41:49deny it, take action
01:41:52with evidence and documents.
01:41:55But journalists who report news
01:41:59that we like can be out,
01:42:02but the path for those who report news
01:42:04we don't like is prison.
01:42:08Unfortunately, a country cannot be governed with such an understanding.
01:42:12Well, now, friends, image number
01:42:158... then images
01:42:1811, 12, 13, and then
01:42:22I will get the comment of Erhan Usta,
01:42:25a name very much involved in these matters,
01:42:29vice-chairman, on this issue.
01:42:32Look, IYI Party, I apologize,
01:42:35I am very sorry, IYI Party general vice-chairman.
01:42:38Now, is Kemal Bey right
01:42:41or not? Well,
01:42:45now, look, under the title
01:42:48"Pump and Dump Explanation," the following information
01:42:52is available: 214 individuals
01:42:55and companies earned 187.6
01:42:59yapanların fonlardan önceden
01:43:02and companies
01:43:06eee bilgiler doğrultusunda çıkış yaptıkları saptandı
01:43:09diyor, saptandı,
01:43:11dolayısıyla çok böyle somut birtakım
01:43:15olguları anlatıyor adalet bakanı. Şimdi bir numaralı
01:43:18141 real persons who made profits
01:43:22over 100 million liras.
01:43:2573 legal entities were identified.
01:43:29The names of those who made
01:43:32profits were reported to TMSF.
01:43:35Why are they reported?
01:43:39TMSF started making official notifications
01:43:42to the persons on the list
01:43:46regarding the refund of the money.
01:43:49What will happen to the money?
01:43:52The money will be collected in accounts
01:43:56created for the victims.
01:43:59Those who exited the funds
01:44:02between September 13-16
01:44:06are under scrutiny. It says that these
01:44:10individuals exited the funds
01:44:13with prior knowledge and
01:44:16based on the information
01:44:20given to them. Therefore,
01:44:22the Minister of Justice is explaining
01:44:26very concrete facts. Now let's
01:44:29look at visual number one.
01:44:32From which fund, how many people
01:44:36earned how much money? For example, from
01:44:40the funds of Tera Group,
01:44:43102 real persons
01:44:46earned 28 billion
01:44:49liras. 38 legal
01:44:53entities earned 62 billion
01:44:567 million. In total,
01:44:5990 billion 77 million
01:45:02liras were earned.
01:45:06From Pusula's funds, 19
01:45:10real persons earned
01:45:1369 billion 700 million.
01:45:1720 legal entities
01:45:20earned 10 billion liras.
01:45:24In total, 79 billion 700 million
01:45:28were earned. In Hedef's
01:45:31funds, 20 people earned
01:45:352.976 million liras.
01:45:3815 companies earned 14
01:45:42billion 900 million liras.
01:45:45Total 17 billion 876 million
01:45:49liras. In total,
01:45:52esteemed viewers, according to the
01:45:56statement, 141 real
01:45:59persons earned 100 billion
01:46:03676 million TL. 73 companies
01:46:06earned 86 billion 977 million
01:46:10TL. The total
01:46:13profit earned is 187 billion
01:46:16653 million liras.
01:46:19Now, they say, "Oh, they
01:46:22have the right to be free from defamation,
01:46:26the presumption of innocence." So it's not right to
01:46:30announce these names. Well, think
01:46:33about this: when the Capital
01:46:37Markets Law sees an irregular transaction,
01:46:40does it not announce it when it
01:46:44gives administrative fines or bans
01:46:47someone from trading?
01:46:51No, it does. There are many
01:46:53examples of this, friends.
01:46:57It's in visuals 11, 12, and 13.
01:47:01The names are announced in all
01:47:04of them. We found these names on
01:47:08various dates. For example,
01:47:12it says Peker Gayrimenkul at
01:47:15one time. As a result of the
01:47:19examination regarding the transactions carried out,
01:47:22it was decided to apply the administrative
01:47:26fines listed in the table below.
01:47:29There are individual names there.
01:47:33The CMB announces this. It shares
01:47:37it with the public, with the market.
01:47:41There are names here. Only
01:47:44the first two and last digits
01:47:47of their TR ID numbers are shown.
01:47:51After that, the action that
01:47:55led to the administrative fine,
01:47:58then what does it say?
01:48:02It says actions carried out in
01:48:06the PKG share market.
01:48:09It writes the regulation,
01:48:12the article that the action violates,
01:48:16and the amounts of the administrative
01:48:20fines imposed. Here, for
01:48:24Ray Sigorta A.Ş.,
01:48:27regarding the persons listed in the table
01:48:30below who are responsible for
01:48:34the transactions in the share market,
01:48:37it says that a criminal complaint
01:48:41has been filed against them in
01:48:45accordance with Article 107,
01:48:48paragraph 1, of the Capital Markets
01:48:51Law no. (unclear number),
01:48:55etc. etc. Here are the names.
01:48:59It says "persons against whom a
01:49:02criminal complaint has been filed."
01:49:06These names are here. Their
01:49:12TR ID numbers are naturally
01:49:16obscured. There is a central
01:49:19registration agency registration number,
01:49:23an action that caused the criminal complaint,
01:49:26and the article of the law
01:49:30that the action violates.
01:49:34There are many such decisions
01:49:37and it shares them with the public.
01:49:40It doesn't wait for the right to
01:49:43be free from defamation because the CMB
01:49:46is the court for this matter.
01:49:50It detects something and transfers
01:49:53it. Just like in the
01:49:57Turkish Football Federation, when a footballer
01:50:01is given a disciplinary penalty, do they
01:50:04say, "Oh, he has the right to
01:50:08be free from defamation, let's
01:50:10do that after the judicial
01:50:14process is over"? Let's move
01:50:18on to the next visual. There
01:50:22are countless, we've only taken
01:50:25a very small part here.
01:50:29Here too, such a decision
01:50:33was made regarding Ergaz.
01:50:36It said "action that caused administrative
01:50:39fine." And so, the action that
01:50:43constituted a violation was
01:50:47the administrative fine imposed.
01:50:50Here, a similar decision was
01:50:53given for A1 Kapital Yatırım Menkul.
01:50:57Let's give the other visual.
01:51:00This will be the last one.
01:51:04The one we will give now is
01:51:07the most recent. It's been about
01:51:113 months, isn'="t it? So,
01:51:15a 6-month trading ban
01:51:18for Hidropar management from the CMB.
01:51:23Here is the person's name, etc.
01:51:26So, these are being shared
01:51:30so far. But now they are
01:51:33being shared on their official websites,
01:51:37meaning they are not hidden
01:51:40on the state's website. Let's
01:51:44ask Erhan Usta. Erhan Hoca,
01:51:46did we look at this matter
01:51:49incorrectly, or are we looking
01:52:00at it correctly? "Why should these
01:52:04names not be announced? Actually, there
01:52:08is no reason why these names
01:52:11should not be announced. I think
01:52:15it was the day after the
01:52:18liquidation decision was made.
01:52:22I asked these exact questions
01:52:26with a parliamentary question. I said
01:52:29these names should be announced. Of
01:52:33course, they immediately brush it off,
01:52:36saying, 'Are we going to announce
01:52:40the names of 455 people?' Nobody is asking
01:52:44you to do that. What is
01:52:48asked is clear: the amounts above
01:52:51a certain large amount. And
01:52:54you can already do this
01:52:58immediately with artificial intelligence,
01:53:00with a small algorithm.
01:53:04So what is requested is that.
01:53:08I also said immediately, so
01:53:11that they don't object to it,
01:53:15that you cannot avoid announcing
01:53:18them by saying 'investor privacy'
01:53:22and so on. This is a
01:53:26matter that concerns the entire nation.
01:53:30Therefore, you have to announce
01:53:33these names. We said this
01:53:37on the second day. Of course,
01:53:40they delayed it, delayed it. Now that a crime
01:53:44has emerged, they are hiding
01:53:48behind things like 'right
01:53:51to be free from
01:53:55defamation' or 'presumption of innocence.'
01:53:58This time, these words, these
01:54:01phrases do not suit
01:54:04the AK Party members. These are people
01:54:08who don't care about people's
01:54:11innocence or respect the
01:54:15presumption of innocence. All their actions
01:54:18so far show this.
01:54:21For example, we went through
01:54:25July 15, didn't we?
01:54:28From that night on,
01:54:32we condemn
01:54:35the coup, but we saw
01:54:38each and every one of those
01:54:42who attempted the July 15
01:54:45coup on television. This is also
01:54:49a coup, a financial coup.
01:54:53Because why are we talking
01:54:57about this so much today? Because
01:55:00a very large segment of citizens
01:55:03is being affected. And what
01:55:06I always say here is that
01:55:09this is truly an organized
01:55:13robbery, there is qualified
01:55:16fraud involved. It has three
01:55:19legs. One is the bureaucracy
01:55:23leg, and there, the bureaucrats
01:55:26have already stopped being civil
01:55:30servants and have become civil servants
01:55:33of the AK Party. There, they
01:55:37always see AK Party members. If
01:55:40the AK Party wants it,
01:55:44if the government wants it,
01:55:48it will do it. We see unquestioning
01:55:52bureaucrats. Otherwise,
01:55:55I also came from the bureaucracy.
01:55:59But unfortunately, there is no
01:56:02such bureaucracy now. There's
01:56:07the bureaucracy leg of the
01:56:09matter, there's the political
01:56:13leg. In the political leg,
01:56:17there are only AK Party members.
01:56:20There's the private sector leg,
01:56:23and there are AK Party members
01:56:27there too. You see people
01:56:30who have served as municipal
01:56:33council members for the AK
01:56:37Party, who have been candidates
01:56:40or candidate candidates. Actually, there
01:56:43is something that has been
01:56:47put forward within it. A few
01:56:50names have come out.
01:56:54Right now, for example, all
01:56:57AK Party members... want it.
01:57:01This would be very wrong.
01:57:05We shouldn't get stuck
01:57:09here. It's a is following
01:57:13this. So, all these
01:57:15things that were done were known,
01:57:19right? I mean,
01:57:2310 months ago, it's
01:57:2711 months now, 10 months
01:57:31before the intervention, Mehmet Şimşek
01:57:34already announced that there was manipulation. But
01:57:38if there hadn't been a Morgan
01:57:42Stanley report, this would still
01:57:45not have been intervened in,
01:57:48even though it was known.
01:57:52Look, for example, I'm saying
01:57:56this as an example:
01:57:59Tera Investment Bank was given
01:58:02permission to issue private
01:58:06an interim injunction was
01:58:10issued against Mr. Hayati
01:58:13Yazıcı's son and their team.
01:58:16The interim injunction was
01:58:20The sector is completely known.
01:58:24Even at a time when everything
01:58:28is being discussed, today, permission
01:58:31mistake he made. But
01:58:34there's another name,
01:58:37also a candidate from the AK
01:58:41Party, whom we know
01:58:44has very close ties with
01:58:47Ömer Çelik. He is taking
01:58:5110 times that amount,
01:58:54or financial coup
01:58:58against the nation, and whoever is
01:59:02responsible for this coup must
01:59:05be brought to light.
01:59:09You are already saying
01:59:12they are suspects, so announce
01:59:16them! lifted within
01:59:18an hour. So, this
01:59:22is not understandable. This means that,
01:59:25well, not "means that" but
01:59:28these things are done very easily
01:59:31in this country. There is interference
01:59:37Now, can you imagine a government
01:59:40that acts this way announcing
01:59:44these names? Even if they
01:59:48do, they will announce a wrong
01:59:52or incomplete list,
01:59:55because they don't want to
01:59:59harm their own people politically
02:00:02here. Or there is a
02:00:06possibility that very close
02:00:09names will come out.
02:00:13There is also a possibility that
02:00:16names very close to
02:00:20very powerful on Tefas
02:00:23(for those who don't know,
02:00:27Tefas is an electronic system
02:00:31where these records are
02:00:35kept and operated) without its
02:00:38permission on the same day
02:00:40is a matter of one hour,
02:00:44or even less than
02:00:47an hour. This is a
02:00:50situation that should raise
02:00:53an alarm immediately. However, it
02:00:57took the CMB a full 11
02:01:01months to make this detection.
02:01:04Now do you see the
02:01:07institutions? Takasbank, a state
02:01:11institution, is example,
02:01:14the Central Bank comes.
02:01:18It was said that the
02:01:22Central Bank comes at
02:01:25most twice a year.
02:01:29It comes twice. That was also
02:01:32due to our insistence.
02:01:36It used to come
02:01:39once, we made
02:01:43that provision in the law
02:01:46three times. But the
02:01:49others, look,
02:01:52they haven't come at all.
02:01:55If they had been able
02:01:58to come, if they
02:02:01had come, they would
02:02:05have seen that these
02:02:08questions would be asked
02:02:11to them, and they would
02:02:15not have dared
02:02:18to act so recklessly.
02:02:21Now everyone has seen the
02:02:25example of Taşkesenlioğlu.
02:02:28You know Taşkesenlioğlu,
02:02:31right? His sister
02:02:35was also an AK Party
02:02:38MP. I'm talking
02:02:41about Taşkesenlioğlu, who was the
02:02:45chairman of the CMB.
02:02:49I can't remember his
02:02:52name right now.
02:02:55So, he also
02:02:58worked at Bank Asya,
02:03:02which was the bank of
02:03:05these FETÖ members.
02:03:09He has 15 years
02:03:12of experience
02:03:14there. I mean,
02:03:26even those who just
02:03:29walked past the bank were
02:03:32thrown in jail.
02:03:35and the someone who
02:03:39worked as a appointed, these relationships have always been
02:03:43established. Look, with the laws that came in the last 2 years, all of these
02:03:47were completely abolished. There is no experience requirement, no
02:03:50school requirement, no, uh,
02:03:54requirement to have worked in that profession for so many years. They abolished all of these. Many people
02:03:57who often don't know the job,
02:04:00and are a bit greedy for money, and so on, were brought here. I'm not saying this for
02:04:03all of them, of course, people were brought here and these
02:04:07institutions became dysfunctional. Erhan, Mr. Erhan, yes,
02:04:10in these boards you mentioned, there are no resignations
02:04:13right now. I mean, whether it's the SDIF
02:04:16or BIST. Whether it's BIST 100 or the CMB, I don't
02:04:20know. Turkey is in turmoil. What will happen?
02:04:23Will everyone stay in their seats? There is nothing left
02:04:26to resign from in Turkey. Look, in bureaucracy and so on, there's nothing left. But
02:04:30all of them should be removed from office. I've been saying
02:04:33this since day one. If this is done correctly, my sentences
02:04:37might have been cut short when I mentioned the board earlier. I mean, nothing
02:04:40will come out of a board where these people are. Even if there is something,
02:04:44they will try to cover it up because their own periods, their own actions,
02:04:47would they want their actions to be questioned?
02:04:50Of course not. So, for the sake of the
02:04:54business, there are very honest people in this country who can manage these
02:04:57institutions. So, these 5-6
02:05:01institutions that we can say are currently responsible, all of their
02:05:04high-level managers should actually be removed
02:05:08from office. You will set them aside, and then regarding
02:05:11their situation, look, they either had malicious intent, which is a punishable
02:05:15offense, or if they had negligence or fault, it's also a punishable
02:05:18offense. If they didn't see it, then they don't deserve that position. Can there be something they didn't
02:05:21see? I mean, they should have seen it. I even explained it in the parliament last time,
02:05:25if you'll allow me, I'll explain it very briefly here. Uh, let me explain.
02:05:28Uh, in one of the series called "Police", there's
02:05:32this thing: A murder
02:05:35investigation is solved because the detective realizes
02:05:38the watch dog didn't bark, and he says, "Ah,
02:05:41the killer is someone familiar," because the watch dog didn't bark. Now,
02:05:45these institutions, these regulatory authorities, I'm not saying this to belittle
02:05:48them in English terms, these are very distinguished institutions of ours. They call
02:05:52them "watch dogs," meaning guard dogs, these institutions.
02:05:56Now, look, while these events were happening, even if nothing
02:05:59else happened, after Mehmet Şimşek's statements 10 or 11 months ago,
02:06:03did we see anyone object, saying that
02:06:06these things are happening and something is wrong?
02:06:09Did we see any regulatory authority?
02:06:12No, we didn't. So, that means the thief is familiar, the thief
02:06:16is inside. Therefore, you cannot do this with these
02:06:19people. They should be removed from office. But right now,
02:06:23on the contrary, the board tasked with solving this problem,
02:06:26uh, the person in charge of these institutions, look, I'm not saying this
02:06:30to blame all of them, but this is what should happen in a normal
02:06:33country. But unfortunately, this is not being done. Therefore, it's not about
02:06:36solving the problem, but managing it. They will give
02:06:40a few people so as not to harm the AK Party.
02:06:43They will probably give them forcibly, and now they themselves
02:06:47have started to criticize them. Now, I'm surprised, for example, the AK
02:06:50Party members are actually the ones criticizing Fatma Betül Sayankaya
02:06:54the most, and they are making us get stuck on that. We shouldn't get
02:06:57stuck there. There are much bigger names involved in this.
02:07:01So, now, you know how this calculation was made,
02:07:05it was said, "How many more Fatma Betül Sayankaya
02:07:08are there?" If we do a very rough average calculation, I mean, she took
02:07:12over 2 billion, with her husband, with her
02:07:15husband. The minister announces
02:07:18that 214 people took 187 billion.
02:07:22It's a rough calculation, meaning there should be more than
02:07:2690 Fatma Betül Sayankaya. But it's also
02:07:28possible that some of them might have taken
02:07:32not 2 billion, but 10 billion, 20 billion, 30 billion.
02:07:35These are huge amounts of money. How can these not
02:07:38be explained? Uh, now I will ask both
02:07:41Ahat Hodja and Fikret Abi, and you too, İsmail Bey,
02:07:44in the same way, I will say goodbye to my guests in this segment. I will get
02:07:48your comments on this at the beginning of the next segment. Ahat Hodja, because
02:07:52let's also turn to Gizem Özcan, she definitely has things to say. Let's
02:07:55hear her words and then say goodbye. Please, Ms. Gizem. Yes, I mentioned
02:07:59it a little while ago. Mr. Gökmen, you know how big
02:08:03a scam this is. In this sense, we tried to imagine
02:08:07187 billion. But you asked how many Fatma Betül
02:08:10Sayankaya there are. At that point, there is a scam
02:08:14of 2 billion being talked about, and in relation
02:08:17to this, when we talk about these
02:08:20numbers on the street, our citizens understand, but
02:08:24I really want this to be emphasized. I want
02:08:27to give another example. I mean, look... Today,
02:08:30on average, I am a deputy from Muğla. A house in Muğla costs
02:08:33around 5 million or 6 million liras, and a
02:08:37civil servant, an employee, cannot even save up and buy
02:08:40this under these conditions. But this is an amount equivalent
02:08:44to approximately 400 to 500 houses
02:08:47in this sense. Now, we have a very clear
02:08:50demand here. It needs to be investigated in all its aspects, and the main
02:08:54issue here is the movement of money. I also stated this in my parliamentary
02:08:58speech. Without tracing the money,
02:09:01you cannot fully shed light on this
02:09:04incident or investigate it. If such an event has occurred and
02:09:07the measures mentioned by Mr. Usta earlier were not taken
02:09:11before it happened, then from this point on, you have
02:09:15to trace the money to shed light on this incident. And
02:09:18it's not just about the movement of money, but also the relationship
02:09:22between the public power and the financial gain
02:09:25here needs to be clearly established. Because,
02:09:29as I said, there have been many examples in the world. There have been
02:09:32examples of such manipulations, but there has
02:09:35never been another situation
02:09:38where so many political names, so many bureaucrats' names,
02:09:41were claimed to be involved. That's why
02:09:44this needs to be clarified urgently. And this can only
02:09:48be done not by covering up this matter, by pretending
02:09:51to do something, or by creating the impression that something is being done,
02:09:54but by truly, fairly, transparently, and openly
02:09:58applying the rules of law.
02:10:00At the same time, I want to emphasize once again that the Grand National
02:10:04Assembly of Turkey also has a political responsibility.
02:10:07Absolutely. An investigation committee should be established under the
02:10:10roof of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey, and "these
02:10:14processes should be followed up, and the public should be
02:10:17transparently informed. Of course, everyone's presumption
02:10:21of innocence should apply to everyone. Of course,
02:10:24everyone has the right not to be stained, but the truth must
02:10:27be revealed here, and the public's grievances
02:10:30must be addressed, because there is no roadmap
02:10:34on how to address the grievances. Ms. Gizem, I don't understand
02:10:37this. The CMB, it's clear that this information somehow
02:10:40reached the prosecutor's office." It is said that so many people,
02:10:44187 billion, and these people's, uh, that is,
02:10:47it has been determined that they earned this profit. Is there a situation
02:10:50where the public should not know the names of those who earned
02:10:53billions in such high amounts, with the right to not be stained?
02:10:56Will the public not know this? Absolutely not.
02:11:00Absolutely not. While so many people have been victimized,
02:11:04this should be shared. After it is shared, individuals can
02:11:08then present their statements regarding it. I mean,
02:11:11there's a situation like this. "A journalist is arrested
02:11:14and thrown in jail for asking why they made the claim.
02:11:18They say, 'If you share this, you'll be in jail.' It's unbelievable,
02:11:21but the claimants, that is,
02:11:24the direct addressees, do not make a statement about this.
02:11:28You come out and say, 'This is how it is.' If you have
02:11:31information, documents, data regarding this, if
02:11:35a truly contrary statement has been made, you come out and explain
02:11:38it. But in an incident that has caused the victimization
02:11:42of so many people, 455 individual people, there cannot be such
02:11:45a thing as 'I won't be stained,' or a certain group
02:11:48will be protected. Moreover, the politicians themselves
02:11:52have stated that there is such a scam.
02:11:55The esteemed Minister has confirmed it. From this point on,
02:11:59this is a public matter, and it must
02:12:01be shared with the public transparently in all its
02:12:05aspects, and presented to the appreciation of the
02:12:08nation. Otherwise, all allegations and those
02:12:12under suspicion."
02:12:20Gizem Özcan, Vice President of the New Party, thank you very much
02:12:24for your contribution, Ms. Gizem. Thank you very much, good broadcast, good
02:12:27evening. Erhan Usta, Vice President of the party. Mr. Erhan, thank
02:12:31you very much for your contribution.
02:12:34I will discuss this issue with my other commentators and guests
02:12:38shortly. Also, we will cover what HTS records
02:12:41the investigators have regarding Fatma Betül Sayankaya,
02:12:45and whose testimonies given previously are claimed
02:12:49to create a situation against these people.
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02:13:47"continues openly, dear viewers. In this
02:13:51segment of our broadcast, we have another guest in the studio, lawyer Tuğçe Çalık.
02:13:54Welcome, Ms. Tuğçe, thank you very much, I wish you a good broadcast. Nesrin
02:13:58Nas, politician and economist, will join us via
02:14:02remote connection shortly. But in the previous segment,
02:14:05we were discussing a topic in light of the information
02:14:08provided by Akın Gürlek, which
02:14:11uh, totaled" 114 people,
02:14:14187 people and companies, I apologize, not just 214
02:14:18real people, 214 real people and
02:14:21legal entities, meaning companies.
02:14:24187.6 billion. We say 187 billion,
02:14:27but we also throw away 600 million, we shouldn't throw that away either. Even 600 million
02:14:31is a huge amount on its own. Uh, this
02:14:34much was earned. So, we talked about Fatma Betül Sayankaya,
02:14:38over 2 billion, and we will continue to talk about it because it's very
02:14:42interesting. "A writer from Türkiye Gazetesi wrote directly about it. He said
02:14:46there are HTS records, he said there are these, there are those. Of course,
02:14:50we will always present this to you as an allegation,
02:14:53uh, but we also want to know who these 214
02:14:56people are. Who are these people? These people
02:15:00who earned so much money. I mean, not in the sense
02:15:03of declaring them guilty or innocent, but who are they? Hundreds of thousands
02:15:06of victims, uh, millions of people affected
02:15:10by this situation. In this country, there are millions of people
02:15:13living on the lowest pension, millions of people earning minimum wage.
02:15:17I mean, there are millions of people who work hard
02:15:21in very difficult conditions to earn 20,000, 25,000, 30,000 liras
02:15:25a month. They are wondering, who are these
02:15:28214 people? They talk about the right to not be stained, etc. Let's see
02:15:32if the New Party will announce this on Monday or not. But
02:15:35let's start with Professor Ahat. Professor Ahat, isn't
02:15:39it our right to know these people? Uh, how do
02:15:42you evaluate the fact that these names are not announced
02:15:45with the right to not be stained? Yes, uh, this is,
02:15:48of course,
02:15:51part of the program or strategy being implemented. That's why
02:15:55I think we need to see the general atmosphere. But
02:15:58this fund incident, uh,
02:16:01is actually a financial,
02:16:05legal, bureaucratic, and political
02:16:08dimension of a
02:16:10fraud and
02:16:13corruption ecosystem.
02:16:16It's not just an incident where so much money was taken
02:16:20abroad, or so much money
02:16:22was embezzled by so many people,
02:16:25or attempted to be embezzled. This incident is the biggest
02:16:29fraud and corruption ecosystem
02:16:33in the history of the Republic of Turkey.
02:16:35This ecosystem was created with the parts I mentioned
02:16:38earlier, and if you pay
02:16:41attention, now I will come to that interesting question
02:16:44at the end. When we look at the incident chronologically
02:16:48from the beginning, is it not such a big
02:16:51incident? It covers 450 thousand
02:16:56people with their families and so on, 2 million, of course, more.
02:16:59Additionally, there are 6.5 to 7
02:17:03million people who trade on the stock market. The incident
02:17:07is not limited to
02:17:10people who lost money in those funds,
02:17:14because after that incident came to light, there was
02:17:17also a huge loss in the stock market and a drop in normal
02:17:21stocks. Therefore, 6-7 million people were also harmed individually.
02:17:25"Individual, of course, if you include funds, etc., and
02:17:28those participation home things, etc.,
02:17:32then perhaps, as I said, it will probably
02:17:36turn out to be the biggest corruption and biggest
02:17:40fraud in the history of the Republic of Turkey.
02:17:42Now, the government needs to look at
02:17:45how it views this incident and
02:17:48whether this matter should be limited to the names
02:17:52on this list. That is, we need to seek
02:17:55answers to the question. I personally look at it that way. Now,
02:17:59when the incident first started, remember,
02:18:03the manager of Tera, who was at the center
02:18:07of this, was not taken
02:18:09into custody. Many things
02:18:13happened. Later, after what was written
02:18:16on social media, etc., we saw
02:18:19the arrests. Second, with this incident,
02:18:23Fatma Betül Sayankaya, who came to the public's
02:18:27attention and has now become
02:18:29a symbolic figure.
02:18:31Regarding this, I mean, now
02:18:35even people who have nothing to do with the Stock Market
02:18:38can easily say that this is
02:18:42what is called insider trading,
02:18:45which is a crime according to our laws, and in fact,
02:18:48in the whole world, it is a crime in Turkey too.
02:18:51While it was obvious that such a large
02:18:55amount could not be earned and an advantage could not be gained
02:18:59without this,
02:19:01the CMB did not take any action
02:19:05regarding Fatma Betül Sayankaya until
02:19:08she filed a criminal complaint. Now let's recall these
02:19:12things in order. Subsequently,
02:19:15Hayati Yazıcı's son's
02:19:18company, the one he owned,
02:19:22was a partner in, etc. All
02:19:26the managers of those companies, including himself, right?
02:19:29To be taken into custody,
02:19:32or rather, to have a precautionary
02:19:35measure placed on their assets, right?
02:19:38What happened an hour later? An
02:19:42hour later, exactly as I remember
02:19:45it, as a sentence, uh, as a result of the
02:19:49examinations and evaluations,
02:19:52the documents obtained... "the precautionary
02:19:56measure was lifted within an hour or 1.5
02:19:59hours. Now we need to line
02:20:03up these events side by side. If we don't line
02:20:06up these events side by side, we cannot
02:20:09understand what kind of outcomes might emerge and what
02:20:13our expectations should be. Then we continue with Mehmet
02:20:16Şimşek coming out and saying that this incident is
02:20:19only 4% of the 2000-plus
02:20:22funds in Turkey, etc." Remember
02:20:25his speech where he tried to downplay
02:20:29the incident, making it seem like its impact on the economy would be almost
02:20:32zero, perhaps even stimulating the economy,
02:20:36I mean, I'm joking, turning
02:20:39it into a single event. Hm hm.
02:20:42Remember his speech.
02:20:45The President's first speech on this
02:20:48matter was probably around that time,
02:20:52his statement. Look, when the opposition
02:20:56party's
02:20:59Istanbul provincial building, CHP
02:21:02Istanbul, was acquired, those famous 30-40
02:21:06million, whatever, cash towers. This
02:21:09is how the pro-government
02:21:12media popularized
02:21:15it. The statement of the President, I am saying
02:21:18what I remember, he says, by
02:21:22challenging the opposition, he says, "You
02:21:26first account for those cash towers." So
02:21:29these events, this magnitude
02:21:32of incident is being tried to be dragged
02:21:35down and trivialized by being associated
02:21:38with cash towers. This is expressed by
02:21:41the most authorized mouth. You continue,
02:21:45initially, initially,
02:21:48both in the
02:21:52media and in the political
02:21:55arenas, when the ruling party
02:21:57representatives were asked for their opinions, they said,
02:22:01"Yes, this issue should be investigated by the parliament," etc.
02:22:05But after "the parliament
02:22:08opened, the ruling party and
02:22:12its presidential partner, that is, the People's
02:22:15Alliance, tried everything
02:22:19to prevent an investigation committee from being established.
02:22:23They called for a quorum, but by not forming
02:22:26a numerical majority, they somehow blocked this
02:22:30matter. And then quite openly, they
02:22:33reached the point where they said there was
02:22:36no need for an investigation committee.
02:22:40Now, this chain continues
02:22:43in this way. Finally, as shown in the slide
02:22:46or, uh, in the visual, Mr.
02:22:50Minister of Justice says
02:22:54that within
02:22:563 days,
02:22:58between September 13-16, September 13-16,
02:23:02so many people withdrew so many
02:23:05billions from the system.
02:23:08"Well, this issue
02:23:11from 2021-2022 onwards, because
02:23:14this is the result, the incident that happened
02:23:18on September 12, or September 17, whatever,
02:23:22is a result. Where is the groundwork that prepared
02:23:25this result? The beginning of the groundwork
02:23:27is from 2020-2021 onwards, with licenses
02:23:31given and supported,
02:23:34and their actions ignored by the bureaucracy.
02:23:37etc. and in those closed funds,
02:23:40value increases, etc. These events,
02:23:43ignored, these
02:23:45events,
02:23:47during these periods, these
02:23:49fund managers buying each other's shares,
02:23:53selling each other's shares, doing this, doing that,
02:23:56setting up something in Nigeria, establishing centers in Europe,
02:24:00they have names, they have signs, but what
02:24:03they do is unclear, perhaps they don't do any work at all.
02:24:08establishing companies and large money
02:24:10transfers. What will happen
02:24:13to these?
02:24:16Here, in the statement of the Minister of Justice,
02:24:19that is, in the text he wrote,
02:24:23we don't see these
02:24:25things. We don't see
02:24:27these things. So, what is understood
02:24:30from this? It is understood
02:24:33that what can be presented to the public,
02:24:37"is that so many people, and what are these people
02:24:41called? Bring these people,
02:24:44what you took, that is, judge yourselves
02:24:47in a way and bring it, saying you made
02:24:51an exorbitant profit, and uh, hand it over.
02:24:54If you hand it over, we will deal with
02:24:57this matter later, we will solve it. So, an atmosphere is being
02:25:01created that you will not be harmed by this.
02:25:05Now, when you put all these things together," what is
02:25:08the picture that emerges? The picture is this:
02:25:11the government is trying to minimize
02:25:14an incident of this magnitude,
02:25:18that is, a clear fraud incident, a clear,
02:25:22let's say, corruption,
02:25:25by pushing
02:25:27it aside,
02:25:29hmm hmm, not the main issue, that is, who
02:25:32did the insider trading there, these
02:25:35things... What kind of relationships
02:25:39were established with which bureaucrats in the bureaucracy,
02:25:42and thus ignored? Which
02:25:45politicians did this and that
02:25:49in this regard? Let me give an example. Let me give
02:25:51an example. In the midst of all the information,
02:25:55we forget and don't pay attention. The prosecutor
02:25:58asks the Tera manager, the Tera
02:26:02manager,
02:26:04"Why did you want to buy Pusula Holding,
02:26:08Pusula, almost on the last day,
02:26:11on the last day?" That's the question.
02:26:15"Why did you want to buy it?" The answer of the Tera
02:26:18manager, "A senior state
02:26:22official suggested
02:26:25it, recommended it,
02:26:28requested it, or said so." Now, what does
02:26:31this mean? Even this alone, look,
02:26:35even this alone shows how big
02:26:38the political leg of this matter is.
02:26:41We always forget, this alone should drag
02:26:45this investigation to completely different places, that's what I'm trying to explain. I mean,
02:26:49even just this. "I mean, there are many
02:26:52similar examples, which can be recalled, mentioned.
02:26:56Uh, the two bureaucrats mentioned by Abdülkadir Selvi
02:26:59who said that Tera's resources, Tera's system,
02:27:03or rather its structure, was not sufficient, and therefore a license
02:27:07should not be given, and put a reservation,
02:27:10signed it, and then those two bureaucrats were removed
02:27:14from office within two months, and then
02:27:17Tera was given permission. Well, "
02:27:21"what is it that caused those bureaucrats to be removed
02:27:24from office and new people to be appointed
02:27:28in their place? Now, I mean,
02:27:31there is definitely a political leg,
02:27:34and a bureaucratic leg. It's impossible for it to happen
02:27:38without a bureaucratic leg. A little while ago,
02:27:41dear Erhan Usta
02:27:44reminded us, and we all repeated it
02:27:46many times, what is it? A fund manager?"
02:27:50You are making a fund manager a member
02:27:54of the board of directors of the central decision-making
02:27:57and registration board, which can be considered the core
02:28:01of the system. Can such a thing be?
02:28:04Now, I mean, this is the work done.
02:28:07This is the work done.
02:28:11through whom was the appointment
02:28:14made? Who made the appointment?
02:28:17Look, if you don't question
02:28:20these things, we won't have the chance to
02:28:24reveal the ecosystem I mentioned at the beginning
02:28:28of this issue. You'll collect
02:28:31money, of course. Now,
02:28:35the Minister of Justice has written to these people, and these people
02:28:38will probably come there
02:28:41for a sum of money. If it's 187
02:28:44billion, maybe 130-140 billion will be done.
02:28:47They will present this as a great success
02:28:50to the public. By distributing
02:28:54these funds to small investors,
02:28:57they will, in a sense, partially
02:29:00correct the negative situation
02:29:03that could arise politically.
02:29:06A perception will be created that as a party, "we went all the way with this."
02:29:10But nothing will be done
02:29:13regarding the founding pillars
02:29:17of the ecosystem. What Erhan Usun said is very true.
02:29:21During the Taşkesenlioğlu era,
02:29:23the CMB really came to light.
02:29:27Their right, let's say,
02:29:30companies with a value of 100 million,
02:29:3310 million, 20 million were listed on the stock exchange for billions
02:29:37of dollars,
02:29:40and thus money was collected
02:29:42from the public, from investors.
02:29:45And then it was revealed
02:29:48that Taşkesenlioğlu's sister's
02:29:52husband, Zehra's husband,
02:29:54Ünsalban... So many things came out,
02:29:58right? Even her investments in Africa, that Zehra
02:30:01Taşkesenlioğlu. When nothing is done about these,
02:30:05where does the courage come from? I mean, when you don't
02:30:08do anything to a minister who sells
02:30:11goods from his company, who sells goods to his ministry,
02:30:14then people
02:30:18in politics and bureaucracy
02:30:21think, "No one is doing anything anyway,
02:30:25so let's make the most of it while we can."
02:30:28That's what they do. Now, Yahşihan,
02:30:32what was it, a municipality, 1000-plus
02:30:36people... 1600
02:30:39or something, a large district, passed over to 5 people's names.
02:30:42Real estate thing, yes. Look at the extent
02:30:46of the corruption. That's the extent of the corruption.
02:30:50Therefore, the issue is not just
02:30:53paying the money, but rather
02:30:56three scapegoats being convicted,
02:30:59let's say, three scapegoats and so on.
02:31:03"When this is deemed sufficient,
02:31:07Turkey, unfortunately, in the coming years,
02:31:10these financial markets are developing
02:31:12so rapidly. New methods are emerging
02:31:15that people like me, who are not economists,
02:31:19cannot understand, and even economists cannot understand
02:31:23their dimensions. And there is no chance
02:31:26to fight these methods.
02:31:30When you put incompetent and unskilled people..."
02:31:38in charge, what more can we say? There's not much left to say. Well, there are still things to say, we'll get to them in later segments. Professor Ahat, friends,
02:31:42by the way, Fatma,
02:31:45uh, politician, economist Nesin Nasta is with us
02:31:48via remote connection. Ms. Nesin, welcome.
02:31:51Hello, good evening.
02:31:55Good evening to all participants. Thank you.
02:31:58Uh, the article written by
02:32:01the Turkey Newspaper
02:32:02writer.
02:32:06I couldn't find it here now, dear friends, the visual number.
02:32:10If you found it, did it come? Okay, let's see, because
02:32:13Fatma Betül Sayankaya went and gave a statement. By the way,
02:32:1712 days after the incident.
02:32:21Her image while going to give a statement was not
02:32:25reflected in the press. She went with her husband.
02:32:28It is said that the total of two statements lasted 55 minutes.
02:32:33"When we go to the prosecutor for something, we stay there longer,
02:32:36that is, when we go with a single accusation,
02:32:40now, regarding this, Kubilay Gülbek, the writer
02:32:43for Türkiye Newspaper, claimed the following:
02:32:46"The prosecutor's office has very important
02:32:49information and documents, because she and her husband said,
02:32:53'We did not receive any insider information,
02:32:57that is, we did not receive any information from within, there was no guidance,
02:33:01we carried out all transactions
02:33:03entirely on our own decision.'
02:33:06he said. The Prosecutor's Office has very important information and documents. HTS
02:33:10records, statements given by those arrested
02:33:13for fraud, and most importantly, the system
02:33:16applied by Kaya and her husband when exiting the fund,
02:33:19which caused many grievances.
02:33:22According to this information and documents, it is quite clear
02:33:26and evident that Kaya and her husband committed
02:33:29insider trading on the stock market."
02:33:40It is openly seen in the statements
02:33:44that the Kaya couple, who are accused
02:33:47of manipulating the stock market
02:33:50by using undisclosed internal information of a company
02:33:53that could affect its share price, established a relationship with the fund fraudsters.
02:33:56Clearly visible.
02:33:59When looking at
02:34:01HTS records, face-to-face meetings with these individuals,
02:34:05and meetings in public areas have been
02:34:09entered into the file as evidence. Now, this is
02:34:12Kubilay Gülbek's statement.
02:34:15Uh, Fatma Betül Sayan
02:34:18Kaya, who decided to leave the fund in September
02:34:212026, was in for a surprise.
02:34:24Because her
02:34:27shares had to be put up for sale
02:34:31through TEFAS, the Turkish Electronic Fund System.
02:34:34And who would buy them
02:34:37and when could prolong
02:34:41the sales process. In other words, as you understand,
02:34:45selling fund papers
02:34:47was harder than buying them, says Kubilay
02:34:51Gülmen. But according
02:34:54to the information in the prosecutor's statements,
02:34:58the fund fraudsters also came
02:35:01to Kaya's aid here. "According to the claim,
02:35:03the value of the securities held by Kaya's
02:35:07family was deliberately understated
02:35:10and offered for sale.
02:35:13Buyers were made to believe that the fund papers would rise
02:35:17in value in a short time and were being sold
02:35:20below the official price, thereby
02:35:24creating the perception
02:35:27that thousands of lots of shares belonging to the shipping company
02:35:31were instantly transferred to the accounts of new
02:35:33victims. In fact, with this scheme,
02:35:37small investors were defrauded for the second time."
02:35:40Now, of course, we don't know, we
02:35:44are not aware of these details, dear viewers, we don't have such information.
02:35:48The Turkey Newspaper writer wrote it.
02:35:51He says these are in the file. This is very striking. We will see.
02:35:55So, will the statements given by Fatma Betül
02:35:58Sayankaya herself be sufficient? Or will the investigation
02:36:02be deepened by evaluating these additional
02:36:06pieces of evidence and findings,
02:36:09which are claimed to be in the file? We'll see. But let's ask
02:36:12Ms. Nesrin. Ms. Nesrin, now a certain Akın
02:36:16Gürlek, 100 214 individuals
02:36:19and legal entities, 184
02:36:23187.6
02:36:26billion made profit. We identified this,
02:36:30but regarding the disclosure
02:36:32of the names, important AKP figures say, "Oh, the right to not be stigmatized,"
02:36:36etc. But the CMB used to announce
02:36:40the names of those it fined very openly.
02:36:44We showed it here. So, should these names be disclosed
02:36:47or not? Will they be disclosed? What do you say about this? Secondly,
02:36:51what do these file information,
02:36:54written by the Turkey Newspaper writer regarding
02:36:58Fatma Betül Sayankaya, mean to you?
02:37:01Yes, now, uh, Mr. Gökmen,
02:37:05the 214
02:37:09people announced by the Minister
02:37:12of Justice, I guess
02:37:15it covers the period between September 13 and September 16,
02:37:19that is, it is based on sales made during that period.
02:37:22However, the main
02:37:24sales and rapid exits began on the stock exchange
02:37:28after August 28. Uh,
02:37:31on August 28, a very rapid exit began
02:37:35with the Capital Markets Board's
02:37:38regulation, which Mehmet Şimşek
02:37:41had previously mentioned. Uh, I mean,
02:37:45"by taking September 13-16, they have already significantly
02:37:48narrowed the scope of the matter.
02:37:51The real period to look at
02:37:54is after August 28. There's a mistake here.
02:37:58Secondly, now,
02:38:01this 187 billion liras...
02:38:05We are talking roughly about this without knowing
02:38:08who invested how much, how much they sold it for,
02:38:12what individuals did, what institutional investors did,
02:38:15all of this. This is not right.
02:38:18It needs to be explained very transparently.
02:38:22Uh, so, these names
02:38:25will eventually come out.
02:38:28Some of these names will be punished
02:38:32by the Capital Markets Board, some
02:38:34will be directly accused of fraud
02:38:38and punished.
02:38:41These names will eventually come out.
02:38:44But here,
02:38:46they want to hide it as much as possible,
02:38:50to cover it up, and prevent people
02:38:54from talking about this issue
02:38:57and asking questions due to weariness.
02:39:00Another aspect, as you know, is the arrest
02:39:04of journalists, the closure of social media
02:39:07accounts, the closure
02:39:10of an 17-year-old platform
02:39:14like T24, an internet newspaper.
02:39:17The other aspect is this. Here now,
02:39:20the fundamental point is this:
02:39:23you
02:39:25published the article
02:39:29in Türkiye Newspaper. Now, Fatma Betül
02:39:31Sayan invested in a stock,
02:39:35she is not a fund investor. See, these two get mixed up.
02:39:38She invested in a single stock, Özata Shipping, yes.
02:39:42Now, with a single stock,
02:39:45it is very easy to detect whether there was manipulation
02:39:49or not, and they probably detected it,
02:39:52given that she gave a statement to the prosecutor.
02:39:55Now, manipulation is a crime.
02:39:58So, even if nothing else is done,
02:40:02she should be punished for manipulation.
02:40:05Another thing is this: if you sell
02:40:092 billion
02:40:12of a company's shares in one go
02:40:15or at short intervals, you will bankrupt
02:40:19that company. So, such a transaction
02:40:23cannot be done without an agreement. That is,
02:40:26probably,
02:40:30Fatma Betül, Fatma Betül Hanım, her name is very long, forgive me, Fatma
02:40:33Betül Hanım's intention to sell these shares
02:40:37was also known by Özata,
02:40:40and it was pre-arranged that Tera would buy
02:40:43these shares. And here, such a game
02:40:46was played. That is, Fatma Betül Hanım
02:40:49sells at a lower price. Tera buys
02:40:52it at a higher price. The shares suddenly
02:40:56become attractive again. And therefore,
02:40:59new investors come to the shares.
02:41:02So, here, as you just said, an investor
02:41:05was unfortunately defrauded twice
02:41:08here. Now, there's something else here.
02:41:12Uh, another fraud is that if you look at the period
02:41:15between September 9 and September 16,
02:41:19the same thing happens after Pusula.
02:41:22With the news that the owner of Pusula, or
02:41:25whatever, its founder,
02:41:28"fled abroad, a panic suddenly
02:41:31starts regarding Pusula, regarding the fund
02:41:35in Pusula. Hera comes out and says,
02:41:37'I'm buying it,' and after he says
02:41:41'I'm buying it,' 'Oh, Tera is already the biggest,'
02:41:44uh,
02:41:48people start re-entering the system because Tera
02:41:51is buying. In the meantime, more than 50,000
02:41:55people again," give, that is, they
02:41:59lure them in, and then
02:42:02Tera gives up buying. That is,
02:42:05after September 9, until September 16,
02:42:09more than 50,000 new
02:42:12investors enter. Now,
02:42:14can they also be called new victims, inspired by this situation?
02:42:18Of course, they are all victims, because those who did this,
02:42:21those who put it up for sale, those who bought it,
02:42:24each of them is
02:42:38Two things are very influential here. On one side, there's such a negative
02:42:42real interest rate for deposits, so people
02:42:45are looking for a new place to invest their savings,
02:42:48however small, due to that loss. On the other side,
02:42:52the TEFAS platform and licensed portfolio
02:42:55management companies are given this permission by institutions,
02:42:59the stock exchange, the Capital Markets
02:43:02Board, and here investors are invited
02:43:05by building trust.
02:43:09Now, a very fundamental
02:43:11problem
02:43:14for us is the serious erosion
02:43:17of institutions after the presidential government
02:43:21system that came into effect
02:43:25in 2018.
02:43:28Now, let's start with the Central Bank. MASAK,
02:43:31the Central Bank, the Capital Markets Board, the Stock Exchange,
02:43:35that is, the Stock Exchange, uh, institutions
02:43:38like the Banking Regulation and Supervision Board
02:43:42these
02:43:45institutions, when acting as supervisory
02:43:48and regulatory bodies, must do so
02:43:52by considering the public interest.
02:43:55Their reason for existence is to protect the public interest.
02:43:59Therefore, the foundation of modern financial
02:44:03regulation is for the regulatory
02:44:06and supervisory authority to maintain
02:44:09a very distant institutional distance from the political
02:44:12system, the political structure, and also from the sector it supervises.
02:44:16This is a fundamental criterion. This criterion has been completely
02:44:20removed, eroded. As Professor Ahat
02:44:24also said earlier, someone on the management
02:44:27of the stock exchange is the head of the State
02:44:31Supervisory Board, and
02:44:34the CEO of Terra is also
02:44:37a board member of the Central Registry
02:44:40Agency. They are very intertwined. That is, the distance
02:44:43between politics and
02:44:47these regulatory and supervisory institutions
02:44:50has been completely closed,
02:44:54no distance has been left, and these
02:44:58institutions, instead of protecting
02:45:01public interests, have started to act
02:45:05in line with political goals.
02:45:08We see this in the establishment of these funds.
02:45:11That is, what I focus on more than the names
02:45:15is this. Closed funds are being established, right?
02:45:18These funds are initially established as closed.
02:45:21How much money are they established with? Where does that money
02:45:25come from? What is its source? I mean, MASAK
02:45:28should be involved there, but we don't know if MASAK
02:45:31has done anything like that. Then, these funds
02:45:35grow for a while, take on new names,
02:45:39and when they reach 150, 160 people, they go
02:45:43and these funds make public offerings.
02:45:46How does the Capital Markets Board
02:45:50give permission for these offerings?
02:45:53That is, by looking into these...
02:46:03It gives permission, and that's not enough. They are taken into TEFAS.
02:46:06Taking them into TEFAS means putting them in a showcase.
02:46:11that's not enough. Some of them Now,
02:46:16are taken into BIST 30. Now,
02:46:21BIST 30 means putting the product you're going to sell in a showcase. Now, completely, the small investor,
02:46:24trusting the connections,
02:46:28thinks, "Nothing will happen, my money is safe here."
02:46:31And also, hundreds of thousands
02:46:33of people who want to protect
02:46:36their money from inflation have invested
02:46:40all their savings here. So,
02:46:43this is what the state should be protecting.
02:46:47This is not happening. We look
02:46:49at what Professor Ahat
02:46:53did, but this regulatory and supervisory bureaucracy
02:46:56has shortened its distance from politics, but
02:47:00on the other hand, there is no meritocracy.
02:47:03There is really no meritocracy.
02:47:06On the other hand, at the second step, you look at these...
02:47:10"companies, funds, fund founders,
02:47:12there is a very serious nepotistic
02:47:15network of relationships and family ties.
02:47:18That is, within
02:47:21the government, close to it,
02:47:24at its very center, there are serious
02:47:27nepotistic networks where
02:47:30families are involved. So, if there are such
02:47:33networks, it is not possible
02:47:37to talk about public benefit.
02:47:40Thirdly, a revolving door
02:47:43has been created between the regulator
02:47:46and the supervisor, as I mentioned earlier.
02:47:49The regulator, you see, moves to a company,
02:47:53from the company becomes a supervisor, and the supervisor
02:47:56again enters a company's
02:47:59position. Former bureaucrats become
02:48:02founders of new funds, or partners with one
02:48:07That is, these companies also have organic political
02:48:11connections. These also need to be investigated.
02:48:14Now, such investigations
02:48:17are conducted transparently.
02:48:20It needs to be extremely transparent. That is,
02:48:24who, when, and on what date you entered
02:48:27is very important. And on what date
02:48:29you exited is also important.
02:48:33Now, this damage
02:48:36is not limited to these funds,
02:48:39to those who lost in this fund. "The distrust created
02:48:42here has engulfed the entire stock market, as you know. Turkey's
02:48:46very valuable companies are plummeting
02:48:50on the stock exchange.
02:48:52Now, it's not easy for this to recover.
02:48:56That is, we are still at the beginning of this crisis.
02:48:59We are still discussing the investigation, discussing the matter,
02:49:02'How will this happen?
02:49:06Will we learn about it or not? Where will this money
02:49:10be found?' We are discussing these,
02:49:13but this will spread in waves,
02:49:16because financial crises are contagious,
02:49:20Mr. Gökmen. I especially want to emphasize this.
02:49:23They are contagious. To prevent this contagion,
02:49:27you need to act very quickly. Now,
02:49:31you are acting so slowly regarding this Ms. Fatma Betül
02:49:34that right now, what we know is
02:49:38only these 214 people. Will this be disclosed
02:49:42or not? It doesn't matter
02:49:45whether these are disclosed or not. These things should have been
02:49:48done by now. The management of the stock exchange,
02:49:52the Capital Markets Board and its chairman,
02:49:55the members of the BDDK board and its chairman,
02:49:58the members of MASAK, uh,
02:50:01that is, they should have been dismissed
02:50:05immediately. Those people are still
02:50:08sitting there. And don't forget, when we came here,
02:50:11this didn't suddenly explode in 2026.
02:50:15Yes, before this,
02:50:18in previous years, there was a huge
02:50:21IPO frenzy, remember? That is, companies were going
02:50:25public one after another,
02:50:28uh, they were opening
02:50:30up.
02:50:33Uh, and among them,
02:50:37I look, I look because I'm interested.
02:50:45A company that is losing money is allowed to go public. I was watching this
02:50:48in horror. I really want to elaborate
02:50:52on that part next time, Ms. Hanım, let's elaborate on that part next time.
02:50:56So, these are my words, Mr. Gökmen. No, we'll come back again,
02:50:59Ms. Nesrin. There are still
02:51:03many important issues we need to discuss about this.
02:51:07The CMB has just prepared a report about Fatma Betül Sayan Kaya.
02:51:10"We are curious to know what
02:51:14is in the report. Let's give the floor to Ms. Turça.
02:51:18Ms. Turça, lists are like this,
02:51:21undisclosed situations. On the one hand, what the writer of Türkiye Gazetesi said about Fatma Betül Sayankaya,
02:51:25we don't know if they are really in the file or not. We announce them as claims, because in the relevant publication,
02:51:29in the IMM investigations, those claims were always presented
02:51:32as if they were true, exactly as if they had happened. We will not act like them;
02:51:36we will still view them as claims and follow up on them."
02:51:40Uh, what do you say? Mr. Gökmen,
02:51:43I would like to make small additions, actually.
02:51:47Our professors discussed it in great detail, but
02:51:50we see this very clearly. I want to state very clearly
02:51:54that the AK Party's dark regime has now been exposed
02:51:57to the entire global public with this fund crisis.
02:52:00Uh, of course, we have actually been trying
02:52:04to explain and shout this for years.
02:52:06We are also talking about this dark regime with documents
02:52:10in hand, but the AK Party's regime
02:52:13has been like this from the very beginning. That is, the system
02:52:16was built on the wealth produced by citizens, the wealth produced by the public,
02:52:20being divided and distributed by a group of companies
02:52:23closer to the AKP, or by cronies.
02:52:26Unfortunately, there was such a system, and this caused
02:52:30the citizens to become so poor during these 20-plus years.
02:52:33That's why we have so many victims now.
02:52:37If we also look at this aspect,
02:52:40it's because our citizens are now aware
02:52:44that they cannot own a house or a car
02:52:47by working day and night, and that the small amount
02:52:51of money they earn is melting away against inflation. They have financial
02:52:55problems. What has the victimized citizen done? He thinks, "Let my one be two."
02:52:58You divided everything among yourselves. Now that there's nothing left to divide and distribute,
02:53:02we see that they have started to defraud
02:53:05each other in inverted commas, actually, with this
02:53:09fund crisis. Now, I, yes,
02:53:12the Minister of Justice gave a number, and
02:53:16the General Chairman also made a statement today, but as a citizen of the Republic of Turkey,
02:53:19I would like all records numbers, not certain dates,
02:53:23but to the extent that it is quite possible. I demand
02:53:27to be disclosed, not just certain the disclosure of all records,
02:53:31and this has nothing to do with the presumption of innocence, Gökmen Bey.
02:53:35Moreover, the presumption of innocence
02:53:39is unfortunately a very important principle that cannot
02:53:42be played with by AKP bureaucrats.
02:53:45I would like to emphasize this as a lawyer. Now, what have we been dealing with for almost
02:53:48two years? We have repeatedly
02:53:51tried to express it in your programs, and my colleague, master,
02:53:54Telci, often came
02:53:58to the point of shouting here about the presumption
02:54:00of innocence, but no one cared about
02:54:04the presumption of innocence while our municipal
02:54:07operations were continuing. Now, there is such a big crisis of trust,
02:54:11Gökmen Bey. As a citizen of the Republic of Turkey,
02:54:14I would like to say very clearly that the announced names
02:54:18have not been changed. "Some of the announced names
02:54:20have not been protected,
02:54:24because three weeks have passed, and Mr. Ramazan Başak said,
02:54:28"Everything is so digital and so easy to access that
02:54:30if desired, all of these lists
02:54:34can be shared with the public within 10 minutes by pressing
02:54:38two buttons." If they are not shared
02:54:41and three weeks have passed,
02:54:44and this issue is reduced to only certain dates
02:54:48and certain names, then frankly, I
02:54:51would be seriously those closer in line,
02:54:54or perhaps the high-level executives of AKP bureaucrats
02:54:58are being protected. concerned about whether
02:55:02their own supporters, Now,
02:55:05there is no error in the simile; it's like "the gods demand sacrifices,"
02:55:08throwing out a name and constantly revolving
02:55:12this issue around Ms. Fatma Betül.
02:55:15I think this is beneficial for the government.
02:55:18I think Türkiye Gazetesi is also not
02:55:22writing this article by chance or just
02:55:25to have written it; it is drawing attention to something. Of course,
02:55:29we are in a digital age, and there are dozens
02:55:32of ways to protect the presumption of innocence when disclosing
02:55:34these documents and names, to protect the presumption
02:55:38of innocence. You may not disclose the TR ID
02:55:40numbers, but as we see,
02:55:43when an allegation was made about
02:55:47Ms. Mahinur, I apologize, like Professor Nur, I got stuck
02:55:51on a difficult name, Ms. Mahinur's father, we see that
02:55:55TR ID numbers are actually in a state where they can be learned
02:55:58very quickly, almost immediately. This means that all
02:56:02these records are in the hands of the bureaucracy, in the hands of the
02:56:06state administration. Disclose all of them, not just a certain
02:56:09number of people. Let the people who have been involved
02:56:13in these funds from the very beginning be seen. Let it be
02:56:15seen how much they have enriched themselves. The money they invested
02:56:19before September, and where they found
02:56:23this money, should be disclosed. Now, is it like this: you brought the money,
02:56:26unfortunately, you succumbed to your desires,
02:56:30then you came to the SPK and paid that money,
02:56:34and you used its interest, but it's not even clear under what conditions
02:56:37you paid it. You came and paid it. What did you become? You became a penitent.
02:56:40Therefore, we will find a way to save
02:56:44you from this crime. Then, Gökmen Bey, I ask, why are our comrades
02:56:47who were elected with millions of votes
02:56:51rotting in Silivri dungeons
02:56:54for months, without any evidence?
02:56:57Now, I would like to briefly say this and conclude.
02:57:00In these cases of defrauding
02:57:03their own base, we also see
02:57:06cases of money being smuggled abroad.
02:57:10So, can we say this: there is no error in the simile;
02:57:13they say "rats first leave a sinking ship."
02:57:17You know, so I interpret this as the palace circles
02:57:21have seen that this government is approaching its end,
02:57:24that it has no future, and that even the possibility
02:57:28of this coming out, all political risks
02:57:31have been taken by these people,
02:57:35to build a new life for themselves. This is also
02:57:38very important: look, nobody comes
02:57:41out and says, "You will apologize to this citizen;
02:57:45you caused this citizen to lose
02:57:48what they had in their hands through manipulations."
02:57:52Nobody says you will apologize to this citizen. They generally
02:57:55say, "Oh no, how can this
02:57:59be done to the Chief? How can this be done to our President?"
02:58:02or similar statements, or statements trying to keep
02:58:06this out of it, as if he has no knowledge.
02:58:09This is such a dangerous situation. If
02:58:13he is aware
02:58:16of it, we are talking about a system
02:58:19in which high-level staff of the party he is the general
02:58:23chairman of, and ministers of the current government, are involved.
02:58:26We are talking about a system where the victim
02:58:29is also a citizen. If Mr. Erdoğan is aware of this,
02:58:33it is very bitter. If he is not aware of this, it is even more bitter.
02:58:37I read something yesterday. I am not one to believe in
02:58:41scenarios, fictional conspiracies, and so on,
02:58:44but there is a situation where the pro-government media says,
02:58:47"Oh, this is being done by Mossad, this situation is being manipulated
02:58:51by external powers." Good heavens,
02:58:55a system has been established that involves your closest colleagues,
02:58:58right in front of your eyes, right in your home,
02:59:02and you don't see it. Who governs
02:59:07this state, or has our
02:59:11state now let go and is rolling
02:59:14down a cliff? Is it that whatever
02:59:17happens to the citizen is not important, even if they starve to death?
02:59:21They voted, so I will take their vote; that's not important.
02:59:24A honorable civil servant, a retired police officer, says,
02:59:28"for my honor," and takes his own life; that's not important.
02:59:32But we see that the protection of those who succumb to their desires
02:59:35is more important than everything. It's a shame. Thank you very much.
02:59:38I will come back in the next round. Okay.
02:59:42Abdullah Güler also made such a statement, saying, "If anyone thinks
02:59:45they have made a high profit, let them do their own accounting."
02:59:49What do you say about what we have discussed so far, because I couldn't give Mr. İsmail
02:59:53the floor in the previous segment?
02:59:55Excuse me,
02:59:58of course, there is a very big scandal at hand,
03:00:01and a "look at the juggler" game is being tried to be played.
03:00:05The juggler is being tried to be portrayed as Ms. Fatma Betül,
03:00:09but all these political
03:00:12and legal processes that caused this event
03:00:16are being tried to be swept under the rug. First of all,
03:00:19if you allow me, let me say a few things about what needs
03:00:23to be done. Many observations have
03:00:26already been made. So,
03:00:30legally,
03:00:33we need to resist this. Will this process end
03:00:37for Fatma Betül Hanım just because she returned it to the United
03:00:39Fund Bank account? No, it cannot. So what
03:00:43is intended here? I mean,
03:00:47in some cases, you know, like
03:00:50if you withdraw your complaint, the public lawsuit doesn't
03:00:54drop, but it leads to a reduction in sentence. Is this
03:00:58what is intended? Now, against this,
03:01:01we need to expose these issues.
03:01:05This is what is important in the first place. Secondly,
03:01:09there is the existence of a criminal organization
03:01:12here, and this criminal organization
03:01:15has been revealed from the very beginning. How is it revealed? Now,
03:01:18there is a well-known speech by Mehmet Şimşek on November 4, 2025,
03:01:22saying, "We know that manipulation was done in the funds."
03:01:26From this date, until
03:01:29May 2026, the SPK president is still in office,
03:01:33and no action is taken.
03:01:35In May 2026, the SPK president
03:01:37changes. It is Vecdi Gönül's
03:01:40son. He changes. The person
03:01:43who replaces him is the second president of the SPK
03:01:46in the previous period. The second president
03:01:50continues his activities, and still no measures
03:01:53are taken. In fact, we come to August,
03:01:57and the SPK publishes a guide. After that,
03:02:00some movements begin, but no new measures
03:02:03are taken until the evening of September 16th.
03:02:06On September 17th, we see that everything
03:02:10has exploded. The SPK announces a detailed list
03:02:13of transaction bans, to institutions, that is,
03:02:17all individuals and institutions. And we understand
03:02:20that the Capital Markets Board is aware of all these
03:02:24dealings, but has not taken action.
03:02:26Therefore, there is a situation here.
03:02:29It is not just a punishment system under SPK Article 107.
03:02:33There is clearly Turkish Penal Code Article 220,
03:02:36the formation of a criminal organization, qualified fraud, Article 158,
03:02:40and there are political and administrative responsibilities
03:02:44of the people who caused all these things,
03:02:46such as dereliction of duty. Now, that's already there
03:02:49with dereliction of duty, but how were these things allowed?
03:02:53Dereliction of duty doesn't end it. Those who allowed
03:02:56it are primarily responsible. And the person who allowed
03:03:00it at the very beginning is the person who governs the state.
03:03:03So, it comes down to this. Therefore, what we
03:03:06need to do here is to expose all this political
03:03:10and legal process and take the necessary
03:03:13steps to ensure that this issue is not limited
03:03:16to Fatma Betül Sayankaya. For example, if this lady
03:03:20invested 60 million and earned 90 million,
03:03:23meaning she made a profit of 30 million, and these things still came
03:03:27out, would we have kept silent? Would it have been said, "You made
03:03:31denecekti ya da bunun gibi bütün bu işleri yapan kimseler doğal
03:03:34olarak aklanacak mıydı? hayır, burada
03:03:37sistematik bir durum var, sistematik bir dolandırma vakası
03:03:41var ve kimler dolandırılıyor? bir
03:03:43kısım birbirinden haberdar olan içeride bir örgütten."
03:03:47var ve bunlar aslında insanları dolandırıyor, kimler
03:03:50dolandırılıyor, bazen yol arkadaşları da dolandırılıyor, şimdi
03:03:54biliyoruz bazı bakanlar, onlar da paralarını koymuşlar, belki bu
03:03:58niyetle koydular ama çıkma alarmını
03:04:00duyamamışlar, eyvah yani hayır duyamamışlar,
03:04:04mağdur olmuşlar, mağdur olmuşlar kendileri ve sonra
03:04:07çıkıp spk'nın görevlerini hatırlatan görseller
03:04:10hazırlamışlar ve onları yayınlatmışlar, işte bunlar da var, bunlar da
03:04:14var, demek ki her zaman söylediğimiz şey burada bir bir kere daha
03:04:17gerçekleşmiş, burada partiyi
03:04:21ve seçmeni idare eden bir siyasal parti
03:04:24var ama bir de içeride bürokrasi
03:04:27içerisinde kümelenmiş olan ve bu bürokrasiyi ve bu
03:04:31bürokrasiyi eee nasıl diyeyim bir eee bu tarz
03:04:34işler için yol yapan bir yapılanma var bunu ifşa etmek lazım
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03:06:03İsmail Emretelci, before the break,
03:06:06if you have a few sentences left unsaid, Mr. İsmail,
03:06:10let's hear them, and then I will summarize with your permission. Now,
03:06:13the main reason for these things in Turkey is the existence of a dual legal system.
03:06:17Ms. Nesin also said it, and my teacher also said it. Everyone agrees on this.
03:06:20Now, examples of this are also emerging.
03:06:24For example, yesterday, while journalists
03:06:27were being referred to judicial control,
03:06:31which, as you know, turned into house arrest at night,
03:06:35İsmail Saymaz and two journalist friends, Mustafa Balcı
03:06:39and Şaban Sevinç, were referred for arrest and were arrested.
03:06:41That is, while everything is in plain sight
03:06:45and the whole process is being exposed,
03:06:48we see that even the fact that these people went
03:06:51to give their statements is learned later. So, such a controlled
03:06:55investigation is being carried out that it is not very possible
03:06:58to get a result from it. That is, from that controlled
03:07:01investigation, results will be produced
03:07:04in line with the intentions of those who conduct it.
03:07:07I don't think the legal truth can be reached very much,
03:07:11and it stopped at 120 billion. No, it's not
03:07:14120 billion. When this operation, this scandal, first emerged,
03:07:18you remember, Bloomberg reported a loss of 20
03:07:21billion dollars. In the following days, it was reported
03:07:25that there was a loss of nearly 50 billion dollars
03:07:28in the economy due to stock market transactions and total loss.
03:07:32Therefore, at every stage, at every step,
03:07:35we see that there is an approach that aims to reduce
03:07:38the damage, narrow down the responsible parties,
03:07:40and say, "Oh, it wasn't that bad." And this is slowly
03:07:44being ingrained in Turkish public opinion.
03:07:46In this process, as citizens,
03:07:50we must not give up.
03:07:53There is a systematic corruption,
03:07:56a systematic robbery here. "Those who commit
03:08:00this robbery are people close to the government,
03:08:03in the government's hinterland, and these people
03:08:07have not shown mercy to anyone. The time
03:08:10came, they entered with a certain guarantee,
03:08:13they got information, they left. It's very simple,
03:08:17it's systematic, and those who allowed
03:08:21these are at the top of the state. If they hadn't allowed
03:08:24it, Mehmet Şimşek would have come out after November 9th
03:08:27and said, 'Measures are not being taken against
03:08:31these manipulations; our way is blocked,
03:08:33our hands are tied.' They didn't say that. The members
03:08:37of the Capital Markets Board, its chairman and members, would
03:08:40have been dismissed. They didn't do that. The chairman and board members
03:08:44of the BRSA would have been dismissed. They didn't do that. This is something that is not done
03:08:47knowingly, something that is knowingly prevented, and an incident
03:08:51that is sought to be extinguished in a controlled manner. We must not
03:08:54accept this systematization. We must expose
03:08:57this at every stage. There is one more point I wanted
03:09:00to make. In this
03:09:02matter of money,
03:09:04although the differences in the IBB investigation
03:09:07are always mentioned, we need to say this once
03:09:11again: the evidence here is clear.
03:09:14The money is there. For example,
03:09:17in the IBB investigation or investigations
03:09:20targeting opponents, there is no evidence.
03:09:24Look, there is no evidence. Here, the evidence
03:09:27is before our eyes. Therefore, starting
03:09:30from the evidence, which is normally how it should be,
03:09:34the suspect is reached, the accused is reached; it cannot
03:09:38be otherwise. We need to expose the difference between the system
03:09:41applied to opponents and this system,
03:09:44because the state has now come to a dual legal
03:09:47system. For example, Pamukova, Çorlu, Hendek, Soma.
03:09:51The state is now at a stage where, because the checks and balances
03:09:55have disappeared, they cannot
03:09:58even predict where the next scandal will break out. That's why
03:10:02we say the state system is over; the state cannot intervene
03:10:06in these matters because it has lost control,
03:10:08and an urgent series of reforms needs to be implemented, measures need to be taken,
03:10:12but I absolutely do not think this government
03:10:15can do it; the government needs to change. So, Fikret abi, on Monday,
03:10:19Ümit Özdağ of the New Party
03:10:22said to Erdoğan, "If you disclose it, fine;
03:10:26if you don't, I will disclose the information I have."
03:10:31"He said that the relevant list is on President Erdoğan's desk.
03:10:34Now, what is being discussed most recently in Ankara?
03:10:38Yes, this issue is being discussed, Gökben. That is, regarding the disclosure
03:10:42of this name, the New Party, as the main
03:10:45opposition party, gave the government a deadline, saying, "Disclose
03:10:48it by Monday." However, we do not see such a tendency
03:10:52from the government side. It seems that no statement
03:10:56will be made by the government. Therefore, the disclosure
03:11:00of these names may again fall to the New Party on Monday.
03:11:04We understand that from Mr. Özgür Özel's
03:11:07statements, the New Party has obtained these names.
03:11:11They have a list. In fact,
03:11:14CHP experts, that is,
03:11:17CHP lawyers, finance experts,
03:11:20economy experts, also did a study
03:11:23and listed them by verifying
03:11:26them. I also received such information,
03:11:30that is, they also did a study to check if these were true
03:11:33or not, and we know that they confirmed
03:11:37them. Now, of course, after these names
03:11:40are disclosed, a situation of negligence
03:11:43will also emerge. Why didn't you oversee
03:11:46the artificial increase
03:11:49in stock prices in Borsa
03:11:51Istanbul? The oversight
03:11:55duty primarily belongs to the management of Borsa Istanbul.
03:11:59The management of Borsa Istanbul
03:12:02should have taken into account such a rapid
03:12:06increase in stock prices and conducted an investigation.
03:12:09Why didn't it do that? The management of Borsa
03:12:13Istanbul didn't do this. Then the Capital
03:12:17Markets Board should have intervened.
03:12:20The duty to oversee abnormal increases
03:12:23and decreases in stock prices in the stock
03:12:26market belongs to the Capital Markets Board.
03:12:30Why didn't the Capital Markets Board
03:12:32conduct this oversight? We need to look into this.
03:12:36Also, there is MASAK, the Financial
03:12:40Crimes Investigation Board, which has oversight authority.
03:12:42There is also the BRSA, the Banking
03:12:46Regulation and Supervision Agency. Among these,
03:12:49we know that only the former Deputy Chairman of MASAK
03:12:52last year, Ramazan Başak, conducted an investigation,
03:12:56identified these situations, reported them, and sent
03:13:00these reports to the relevant
03:13:04state institutions. Mr. Başak even said he sent them
03:13:07to opposition parties. Despite this,
03:13:11more than a year has passed, and we
03:13:14see that no action has been taken. Not
03:13:18only has no action been taken, but we also know
03:13:21that Ramazan Başak was detained
03:13:23and removed from duty. Here, there is a significant
03:13:27obstruction. So, in addition to the question of whether
03:13:30there is negligence, we also need to ask
03:13:33whether there is obstruction. That is,
03:13:37was an instruction given to the experts
03:13:40of the authorized institutions who wanted to use their authority
03:13:44not to conduct this audit, or was there an obstruction?
03:13:47The answer to this question needs
03:13:50to be sought. Now, Justice Minister
03:13:53Akın Gürlek announced the numbers.
03:13:56He said 214 real and legal
03:14:00persons and mentioned 187 billion
03:14:04liras. Of these 214 real
03:14:07and legal persons, 141 are real
03:14:10persons and 73 are companies.
03:14:13"If these 214 real and legal persons
03:14:16divided 187 billion equally among themselves,
03:14:20each person and legal entity would receive
03:14:23873 million liras. This amount
03:14:26is already very large, and we understand
03:14:30that much more than a billion, close to a billion,
03:14:33has been earned. This needs to be revealed
03:14:36today. Secondly, there are
03:14:39activities here that constitute a crime."
03:14:43The first is these fund companies
03:14:47artificially inflating their own shares.
03:14:51This is a crime according to our legislation.
03:14:54The second is giving inside
03:14:58information to some individuals and institutions
03:15:02to sell their shares after the price increase
03:15:05has been achieved. This is what is called insider trading,
03:15:08and this is also a crime according to our legislation. Therefore, these
03:15:12214 real and legal persons
03:15:15also need to be investigated and audited in this regard,
03:15:19and if their participation in this crime
03:15:22is proven, they need to be brought
03:15:26to justice, because this is necessary to protect
03:15:29the rights of citizens who have suffered
03:15:31from this, whose money has been taken.
03:15:35Additionally, if a crime has been committed,
03:15:37the perpetrator must be tried
03:15:41according to our criminal law. We should look at
03:15:44these 214 real and legal persons
03:15:48from this perspective. Is there negligence
03:15:52in oversight, is there obstruction
03:15:55of oversight, and is it about
03:15:58the money of other shareholders being targeted
03:16:02by a fraud through inside information?
03:16:06These are not things that cannot be found
03:16:09or information that cannot be found. That is, if the audit
03:16:12authorities truly conduct audits,
03:16:16and if they are not prevented from using their authority,
03:16:20these will come out very quickly. There is also a concern,
03:16:23of course, that needs to be expressed. Now, here,
03:16:26there is also a statement from the Treasury and Finance Minister
03:16:29Mehmet Şimşek that some
03:16:32shares in the stock market were artificially inflated,
03:16:36around November 2025, if I'm not mistaken.
03:16:39At that time, Mehmet Şimşek
03:16:42said that an artificial inflation manipulation was being carried out.
03:16:46we have information, we will do what is necessary
03:16:50he said, but even though a year has passed
03:16:53since then, nothing has been done, so why wasn't it done?
03:16:56This question also needs to be answered
03:16:59by Mr. Şimşek and clarified
03:17:03Gökmen. Turkey really has a very
03:17:06serious audit experience, accumulation
03:17:10since the Ottoman period. There are audit institutions, but
03:17:13during this government's term, the effectiveness of audit
03:17:17institutions has been weakened, which is also a fact,
03:17:21because there is a government that does not like auditing. Many audit
03:17:24institutions were either abolished or transferred to other
03:17:27audit institutions, or their powers
03:17:30were restricted and made ineffective, this
03:17:34was done with the idea that auditing should not hinder governance.
03:17:37The fact that this was a wrong decision, and that auditing
03:17:40should be re-implemented effectively and with authority,
03:17:44became clear with these events, Gökmen. Now, Fikret
03:17:47Abi, in Ümit Özdale's
03:17:49statement,
03:17:51he had given an MKK number. and
03:17:55asked, is this Minister Mahinur
03:17:58Özdemir Göktaş's father, Hasan
03:18:01Özdemir? He said there was such a claim. In response to this,
03:18:05Ms. Mahinur made a statement to the public very quickly,
03:18:09finding the registration
03:18:12number and the TR identity number. She said,
03:18:15"My father's TR identity number's last
03:18:19two digits are this, the last two digits in the record
03:18:23at the relevant institution are this. Therefore, it's not my
03:18:27father." And she accused the new party and Mr. Ümit of slander,
03:18:31filed a criminal complaint, called for resignation, etc., etc. But we are curious
03:18:34about one thing. The new party and
03:18:38Ümit Özdale also admitted to this name similarity
03:18:42incident. But we are curious about who that Hasan Özdemir
03:18:45was. Why isn't this being explained, Fikret abi? Now, I mean,
03:18:48that Hasan Özdemir who came out with 400 something and
03:18:52830 million is also a very
03:18:56curious person. This Hasan Özdemir, I mean.
03:18:59Now, Gökmen, of course, it's not easy to access
03:19:02personal information, and sharing it is not right either. Personal
03:19:06information is protected by law. However,
03:19:10we also need to say that in Ankara,
03:19:13some names are making some claims
03:19:16about who this person is. For example,
03:19:19it is said that he is a businessman from Bartın
03:19:23who earned this money, and
03:19:27he bears the same name as the minister's father. It is understood that Mr.
03:19:30Özlale obtained incorrect information here. He already
03:19:34admitted this, and Mr. Özgür Özel also apologized
03:19:37to the minister's father
03:19:40and said, "I kiss his hands." Therefore, if this matter
03:19:43is not related to the minister,
03:19:46then we should set this aside. It seems that Professor Özlale
03:19:50made a mistake here, or was misinformed.
03:19:53Because the minister's
03:19:57statement said, "This is not my father,"
03:20:00by giving the TC numbers. Mr. Özgür Özel also accepted this.
03:20:04It seems that the new party made a statement
03:20:07without confirming, without being sure of its accuracy,
03:20:10and without documenting it, through Professor Ümit Özlale.
03:20:14It turned out that this was wrong.
03:20:17If there is no kinship, and the Minister says there isn't,
03:20:20then it must be a name similarity and misinformation.
03:20:24It seems that information was used by the new party,
03:20:27by Professor Ümit Özlale, without confirmation,
03:20:31and that this was a mistake. The new party
03:20:34on Thursday, when we were making the statement,
03:20:38in the last segment, if you remember, tweeted
03:20:41and said many things, but also said this:
03:20:44"My advice to you," he said, addressing
03:20:48the minister and AKP in general, "My advice to you
03:20:51is why did such information come to me about you?"
03:20:56He linked it to this, he linked it to this, Gökmen, that there is a conflict
03:21:00within the AK Party. The information about the minister
03:21:04also came to us from within the AK Party. This means that within the AK Party,
03:21:07another group is working against
03:21:11the minister or her group.
03:21:14This implies a conflict, a rivalry within the ruling party.
03:21:17He did not interpret it that way. Even
03:21:20if it came from the AK Party, Professor Özlale
03:21:25should have verified this information. It was wrong to immediately
03:21:28accept it as true just because it came
03:21:31from there. Mr. Özgür Ozar admitted this mistake and apologized
03:21:35to the minister's father and sent a message saying, "I kiss his hands."
03:21:38This matter has thus been clarified.
03:21:42Can I add a small point? Just a very short sentence, I'm sorry.
03:21:45What I wanted to say is exactly this.
03:21:49So, because Ms. Maiunur's father didn't turn out to be this person,
03:21:53is this matter now cleared up? I mean, is the issue being
03:21:56reduced to this? We shouldn't fall for this.
03:22:00As citizens, we need to demand accountability
03:22:04for this in a different way. I mean, I accept that AKP ministers
03:22:08and those close to the government, almost all of them,
03:22:11many people in the bureaucracy are involved in very complex relationships
03:22:14and most of them are involved in this. It's obvious.
03:22:18Even Cevdet Yılmaz's private secretary was found to be involved in this.
03:22:21Cevdet Yılmaz even reacted by saying, "Why didn't you tell me first?"
03:22:25He reacted like that. Now, whether they are involved
03:22:29or not, will the government be cleared of this
03:22:32just because these people didn't turn out to be involved? This is exactly what we should be against.
03:22:36It's not about individuals, what's important is the existence of this system.
03:22:40The system is entirely designed within the government,
03:22:44and like an organizational structure within the government,
03:22:47it has given insider information to people and committed crimes. It's a system.
03:22:51We need to put up resistance here. Yes.
03:22:55"Now, of course, there is also such a situation, that is,
03:22:58due to the name similarity regarding that Hasan Özdemir,
03:23:02the government uses this situation
03:23:06to discredit the new party's entire
03:23:18argument. That's why we are curious whether this "road accident" as we call it,
03:23:21or whatever we call it, will cause a change in the
03:23:24deadline given or not. Will the new party
03:23:28announce this on Monday ? Well, Gökmen,
03:23:31our
03:23:33group deputy chairman, who participated in our previous program,
03:23:37made a statement on this matter. He said, "We receive information,
03:23:41but we investigate and verify it with the suspicion
03:23:44that it might be misleading information.
03:23:48After that, we will announce it." he said.
03:23:51Well, now, friends, Mr. Özlale should
03:23:54have done this too. Professor Özlale should have done this too.
03:23:58Now, this 5a and 5b, well,
03:24:02I don't need to stand up and remind you of the visual again.
03:24:05I'll say it briefly, dear viewers,
03:24:07Kubilay Gülbek, a writer for Türkiye Gazetesi,
03:24:11is essentially trying to say this in his article: Don't mind what Ms. Fatma Betül
03:24:15and her husband said to the prosecutor's office, that "we are innocent,
03:24:18we did not engage in insider trading in any way, we did not receive
03:24:22insider information in any way, there was no manipulation while we
03:24:25were doing these transactions." He says there are HTS
03:24:28records in the file, there are statements given by some
03:24:32names who were previously arrested, etc., etc.
03:24:34Now, if that's the case. If that's the case,
03:24:38Mr. Ahat, in this case,
03:24:42in this file, Ms. Fatma and her husband
03:24:45have a swindle of over 2 billion here. On average,
03:24:49the calculation shows that there are I don't know how many
03:24:51Fatma Kayas. If the figure announced by the Minister of Justice
03:24:55is 187 billion, then
03:24:59something needs to be investigated in the file for the others too, right?
03:25:02Do they also have Hyts records like here or not?
03:25:05Did they meet? He says there's information
03:25:09about face-to-face meetings inside, right? I mean, now,
03:25:13the writer for Türkiye Gazetesi has actually declared the obvious
03:25:16because, if you remember, this Fatma Betül
03:25:20Sayan Kaya,
03:25:24her photograph came out
03:25:27with the manager of her Teraf fund
03:25:30during a program. Bravo, at an event.
03:25:34Already, the organizers of the swindle
03:25:37committed by Fatma Sayankaya and her husband
03:25:40are largely next to her, I mean,
03:25:44there's no need for HTS records or anything,
03:25:47there are photographs. And of course, since these are
03:25:51allegations, it might be difficult to articulate them, but
03:25:54there has been no denial from the prosecutor's office regarding
03:25:58these allegations so far. Well,
03:26:00it doesn't have to be a denial, but that Tera fund manager
03:26:04for a long time, Ms. Fatma wanted
03:26:07to make him her assistant, so she has a history
03:26:11of that. Therefore,
03:26:14she brought a man she wanted to make her assistant
03:26:18to a program that was completely unrelated as if he were her assistant,
03:26:21and they watched the program together.
03:26:24It was a program about Roma people, I mean, something about Roma people,
03:26:27an event organized by the AKP Istanbul
03:26:31provincial organization. So, it means
03:26:34there is a very close partnership. "Now,
03:26:38the HTS records and all that, I mean, that
03:26:42Türkiye Gazetesi writer somehow,
03:26:44I think, as was discussed a little while ago, and
03:26:47I think one should agree with that, by focusing
03:26:51the events on Fatma
03:26:54Betül Sayankaya,
03:26:57by making her the focal point of attention,
03:27:01this issue is individualized
03:27:03and the Justice and Development Party's involvement
03:27:07in this event, which we tried to highlight
03:27:09earlier, is somehow
03:27:13distanced from this, making it only
03:27:17about an individual. This seems like
03:27:20an implementation of such a policy.
03:27:23The statement and writing
03:27:27of that Türkiye Gazetesi writer.
03:27:31I mean, I would also like to say
03:27:35something about the issue we discussed a little while ago.
03:27:38That is, Mr. Ümit
03:27:41Özdale there mentioned the names
03:27:44of three individuals. One of them
03:27:48is the private secretary of Mr. Cevdet,
03:27:51but regarding the other two, regarding the other two,
03:27:54the information was
03:27:57not confirmed, it is clear that
03:28:00the other minister, Ömer Bolat,
03:28:04said his investment here is related to law
03:28:07and so on, and he even
03:28:11stated that it remained there. So if
03:28:15this is the case, bringing this to the agenda
03:28:18as if it were Fatma Betül
03:28:20Sayankaya's case is also not quite right
03:28:23in a way. This is my personal opinion.
03:28:27Secondly, regarding Mahinur Özdemir's
03:28:31father, in Turkey,
03:28:35for example, the surname Yılmaz is the surname of
03:28:37I don't know how many millions of people.
03:28:40Name similarity is such a thing that
03:28:43in such a matter, one needs
03:28:46to go thoroughly into the parents' names,
03:28:50the place of birth, the hometown, and so on.
03:28:54I remember from Mr. Ümit Özarley's speech,
03:28:58from his speech, he said, "information coming from
03:29:01within your party." Information coming from
03:29:05within the party. So, if one of
03:29:08the three pieces of information is correct, and two will cause trouble,
03:29:12then, as was discussed a little while ago,
03:29:16credibility largely disappears. That's what they are
03:29:20trying to do now. That is, the officials
03:29:23and spokespersons of the Justice and Development Party
03:29:26are continuing a propaganda chain
03:29:30that the allegations of the new party's spokespersons are baseless,
03:29:33inconsistent, and lies. One should not fall for this.
03:29:36Especially if it came from within that party.
03:29:40I mean, if it came from impartial sources,
03:29:43then it might be a little more reliable, but if it came
03:29:47from within the party and a party member
03:29:50is doing this, then one needs to think
03:29:54about it 40 times. And
03:29:57after confirming it in every aspect,
03:30:01one needs to present it to the public. Regarding the issue of Monday,
03:30:04it is also useful to say something. That is,
03:30:07such an ambitious political approach,
03:30:11such an ambitious thing, committing oneself,
03:30:15I mean,
03:30:17there's a saying, "procedure comes
03:30:21before substance," from the old legal code.
03:30:25So, if you can't present something substantial
03:30:29on Monday due to various reasons,
03:30:32then what you present later will largely
03:30:35lose its impact, it will lighten.
03:30:39That is, it will become
03:30:41lighter, it will lighten,
03:30:45for that reason, its weight will be lost.
03:30:49Therefore, when stating such things,
03:30:52one should not bind oneself 100%.
03:30:56There's no point in binding the other party by conditioning them.
03:30:59I mean, it's clear they won't state
03:31:01or bring up anything. You say, "Explain it!"
03:31:05Will they explain it or not? You would say, at best,
03:31:09"Look, we have these things
03:31:11in our hands. We will bring
03:31:15them up gradually after making the necessary
03:31:19confirmations in the coming days." "We will announce it."
03:31:21This would be a more moderate, more reasonable,
03:31:25and if you have to delay it for any reason,
03:31:28it would be an approach with higher
03:31:31credibility and weight.
03:31:34I'm saying this because the topic came up,
03:31:37otherwise. Can I say something very briefly about this?
03:31:40If we have time, I'd like to say two sentences. Now,
03:31:44while I agree on the procedure,
03:31:47it's also clear that there's this situation.
03:31:51On the one hand, we're talking about a government
03:31:54that hasn't been compliant, moderate, or
03:31:57transparent enough in any part,
03:32:00and one of the biggest
03:32:03fraud and organized crime activities that the
03:32:06world, not just Turkey, has almost ever seen.
03:32:09And the new party is the main opposition
03:32:13party. Therefore, I watched the statement
03:32:16of Mr. Özerlen many times.
03:32:20It's not actually a statement that directly says this is how it is.
03:32:23It says, "such information came, is there such a thing
03:32:27in this part, explain it." And that also showed
03:32:31us something. This situation also showed us
03:32:34that within 5 minutes, as I mentioned earlier in my
03:32:37own speech, that all the lists
03:32:41that were not disclosed, hiding under the right to be protected
03:32:44from stigma or the presumption of innocence, were in their hands,
03:32:47and that when it came to clearing
03:32:51themselves, they were not afraid to disclose even the citizen's
03:32:55TR ID number. They said the last two digits
03:32:57of the government, but only the last two digits,
03:33:00the name and surname somehow, but almost, as Professor Fikret
03:33:04also said earlier, it was mentioned as an allegation
03:33:07that he was a businessman from Bartın, meaning
03:33:11we are talking about a name that was actually pointed at to distance
03:33:14themselves from him. This shows me
03:33:17that it means that they knew who this person
03:33:21was, including their TR ID number, name, surname, and all their assets.
03:33:25Therefore, are you not going to disclose it until
03:33:28it touches you? Or as the main opposition party,
03:33:31I actually think we are forced to push
03:33:35certain things because the other side never acts transparently
03:33:38and doesn't provide information. The methods can be debated,
03:33:42yes, but it doesn't seem like
03:33:45a very wrong procedure
03:33:47to me either.
03:33:49Dear Tüyçe, I'm not saying why he explained it here.
03:33:53I guess you misunderstood. No,
03:33:57explaining it is absolutely necessary, but one also needs
03:34:00to take certain measures into account.
03:34:04Do you understand what I mean? For example,
03:34:07Emre Yunus Emre's statement,
03:34:10pardon, Zeynel Emre's statement, what was it?
03:34:12Even the number
03:34:15and then it created an earthquake, didn't it?
03:34:19After such a statement, the public expects
03:34:23the statements that follow to be within
03:34:26a similar framework. Right? Do you understand what I mean?
03:34:29When it turns into this,
03:34:33its effect diminishes, it loses its effect.
03:34:36Okay, friends, let's ask for visual number 8.
03:34:40Meanwhile, something
03:34:41very interesting happened.
03:34:45Guaranteed bridges.
03:34:48After guaranteed airlines, are guaranteed bar associations
03:34:52being established? What kind of thing is this? And
03:34:55a statement like a confession came from a name. It came on a live broadcast.
03:34:59We will discuss this a little later. It's
03:35:03a very striking development, but in light of the information provided
03:35:06by Akın Güllek, we will look at this sentence.
03:35:09It says that the names who profited were reported
03:35:13to the TMSF. The TMSF has started sending official
03:35:17notifications to the people on this list
03:35:20regarding the return of the money. I don't know how
03:35:23this official notification will be made, because
03:35:27well, will the investment
03:35:30amount be notified to them?
03:35:33It means that they have the numbers of people's
03:35:36inputs and outputs. There can be
03:35:39no other explanation. SPK can reach them,
03:35:43TMSF can reach them, MASAK can reach them,
03:35:45all of them can reach them. It's important as long as they give authority to someone,
03:35:49that's our complaint. Yes. For example, Fatma
03:35:51Betül Sayankaya,
03:35:55it is understood that the money she would invest
03:35:57was calculated like this: "The money she put in was 160
03:36:00million. If she hadn't bought
03:36:03Özata shares with that money, if that money had remained
03:36:06in interest, the income she would have earned
03:36:10would have been this much. Therefore, add this to
03:36:14160 million, sum these two figures,
03:36:17and then deduct this from her profit, meaning from her 2
03:36:21billion profit. She invested the remaining money.
03:36:25Well, if you had invested it in interest or something else
03:36:29in the last month, Ms. Fatma, you would have received a lot of money from there too, 2 billion is a month's interest."
03:36:32There are claims, right? Or she says she invested it in the Tera fund, for example,
03:36:36and sold some of it in between. So, the TMSF
03:36:40has started sending official notifications
03:36:43to the individuals on the list,
03:36:45for example, 214 people, regarding the return of the money.
03:36:49How will they do it? The money will be collected
03:36:52for the victims. Public resources will not be used.
03:36:55It says those who exited between September 13-16
03:36:58are also under scrutiny. Let's ask Nesin Nas.
03:37:02She is an economist. Ms. Nesin, Abdullah
03:37:06Güler, the AKP group chairman, says,
03:37:09"Well, those who profited should
03:37:13do their accounting." He says, if
03:37:16they don't feel conscientiously
03:37:19comfortable, they should return it. But what kind of
03:37:23measure is this? Whose conscience will be bothered by which money,
03:37:26and which won't? How will this be,
03:37:30I don't know either, Mr. Gökmen. I mean,
03:37:33if someone says, "I conscientiously
03:37:36believe I deserve to take this money,"
03:37:39what will you say? Is that possible? Now
03:37:43they are giving it to the TMSF. The TMSF
03:37:46will probably handle assets
03:37:49and so on. All of those will somehow
03:37:52be transferred to the TMSF. So,
03:37:54what will the TMSF do here? I don't understand.
03:37:57I mean, this kind of thing
03:38:00doesn't happen. The money collected here
03:38:04will be used for the victims. The victims,
03:38:08public resources will not be used. First of all,
03:38:11if 455 of the public resources
03:38:14are victims, there are double accounts and so on,
03:38:17when you consider those, 350-some thousand
03:38:21is impossible. Public resources will definitely
03:38:24be resorted to here. Also,
03:38:27these monies we are talking about,
03:38:30for example, the money Fatma Betül Sayan
03:38:34earned, these are all fictitious profits
03:38:38in the stock market that have no value against them. These
03:38:42can only be converted
03:38:45to cash if there is a buyer
03:38:48in front of them. The shares they hold
03:38:51currently have no value. Those who
03:38:55converted this into money, they are the ones
03:38:58who said there was
03:39:01an exorbitant profit, you know, they called them exorbitant profiteers.
03:39:05Its measure is also not clear.
03:39:07They say, "if your conscience is clear."
03:39:11This is not how a crisis is resolved. This crisis
03:39:15way. They have to be transparent.
03:39:18If they want to make
03:39:21the stock market one of the important
03:39:24institutions of the economy again and
03:39:27make it functional in the economy,
03:39:31they have to be as transparent as possible,
03:39:35and as I said at the beginning,
03:39:38all those who are
03:39:40at the head of these institutions and on the board of directors
03:39:44must resign. Look, Mr. Gökbah,
03:39:47this, what differentiates this from
03:39:50some Ponzi schemes
03:39:53and crises we have experienced before
03:39:56is very important. That is,
03:40:00this was carried out
03:40:03through licensed, registered,
03:40:05publicly supervised portfolio management
03:40:09companies. This is the first
03:40:11time this has happened, I mean, registered,
03:40:15licensed, subject to audit,
03:40:18subject to the audit of various institutions,
03:40:21these are portfolio management companies.
03:40:25and the most important thing here is that these
03:40:29portfolio management companies and hedge funds,
03:40:32hedge funds, shallow assets, meaning these
03:40:36stocks that Fatma Betül Hanım bought, like Özata, or it seems like
03:40:40one day food was born, many similar transactions
03:40:44with almost no trading volume have been
03:40:47very limited.
03:40:50These stocks have been taken into
03:40:53the hedge funds by these portfolio management companies,
03:40:56and they have manipulated
03:40:59this. This is completely a
03:41:03fraud, completely
03:41:05a fraud. Now, İsmail Emre
03:41:08Bey said this while speaking:
03:41:11"Here, the punishment
03:41:15of one person, the return of money by a few people, these are not important,
03:41:18they are really not important. This system, I mean, this is
03:41:22a systemic crisis, this is the crisis of the regime,
03:41:26meaning it is a crisis presented to us by the architecture of the regime,
03:41:29and we have to
03:41:33approach and evaluate it in that way.
03:41:36That is, here, some
03:41:38people, having gained a lot from this
03:41:42manipulation or from
03:41:45insider trading, and saying
03:41:48that they gained a lot, Turkey should not
03:41:51be content with just punishing them,
03:41:55if it wants to make the stock
03:41:57market a functional place again for the economy,
03:42:01as I said, which is very
03:42:04important for the stock market, because the stock market
03:42:07is also a very serious, important and
03:42:10cheap source of financing
03:42:14"You are destroying a very important thing, you are destroying
03:42:17it with your own hands.
03:42:19Therefore, here, this must
03:42:23be handled as organized fraud and
03:42:27punished accordingly. Here, if you
03:42:30go by the capital markets law,
03:42:33that is, two or three
03:42:37years, they won't even give that, I guess.
03:42:41They are trying to gloss over it by saying things like, "he came and invested it himself,
03:42:44blah blah blah," and giving an amnesty.
03:42:47We must constantly emphasize this,
03:42:51because they have established this
03:42:55TEFAS and algorithmic marketing system accordingly.
03:42:58We were formed in the 30s accordingly,
03:43:01everything has been designed accordingly,
03:43:05and the prevention of these
03:43:08audits is in question. Now, look, stock market auditing
03:43:12is daily, Gökmen Bey. It is daily auditing.
03:43:15Ms. Nesrin, the stock that Fatma
03:43:19Betül Sayankaya and her husband bought,
03:43:23Özata, the Özata Stock. Yes, let's put the prior
03:43:26period aside, from what price to what price it came. But
03:43:30this stock starts such a movement from
03:43:33250 liras, and for some reason,
03:43:37the level where Fatma Betül Sayankaya and her husband bought
03:43:40it is there. It goes up to
03:43:434800.
03:43:46And there, these people can sell a stock
03:43:49with such a high amount. Very shortly after they sold
03:43:52it, the stock bursts and
03:43:56starts to fall like a waterfall. Who knows how much it
03:43:59came to, the last price was 900 liras,
03:44:03it's going down day by day. Now,
03:44:07for God's sake, does it require being an expert
03:44:10to see this abnormal rise in this stock and
03:44:13to intervene? No,
03:44:16it doesn't, Gökmen Bey. Look, you are on the stock market.
03:44:20Wouldn't the friend on this chart have to intervene and say,
03:44:23"There's something here, there's a fraud here, how can this be?" "There is an early warning system in the
03:44:28stock market. Now, look, if a stock is constantly going straight up
03:44:32like this, the early warning system
03:44:35gives an alarm, and an investigation
03:44:38in the stock market is done at the end
03:44:42of every day after the transaction is completed. Those stocks
03:44:45that receive an early warning are taken,
03:44:49the financial statements of those companies are checked,
03:44:52and it is sent to the Capital Markets Board,
03:44:55and it is said that there is such
03:44:59and such in this stock, this stock needs to be investigated, there is manipulation
03:45:03or there is something else, there are leveraged transactions,
03:45:07because this is extremely complex. I mean, the fund
03:45:10takes out a loan, it does something, here futures
03:45:14are involved, and leverage constantly
03:45:18increases this even further. Therefore,
03:45:21in order to prevent the risk from growing,
03:45:25from the moment this early warning system
03:45:28kicks in, that stock
03:45:31is put under surveillance. This has not been done at all
03:45:35for these stocks. This has not been done at all. So,
03:45:38have they just looked and slept,
03:45:41or I mean, now when you look at Tera,
03:45:44when you look at support, what is it called,
03:45:48factor, when you look at factor,
03:45:51I mean, when you consider that
03:45:54they included them in BIST 30, you say that these
03:45:58are quite intentional, meaning these were planned
03:46:01from the beginning, the placement of these shallow
03:46:04stocks into the hedge funds, and
03:46:08pushing them upwards with a buy-sell, buy-sell relationship
03:46:12within the hedge funds, all of these
03:46:14have happened, meaning they were
03:46:18planned beforehand. Who would turn a blind eye was also planned.
03:46:22That is why the former MASAK chairman was detained
03:46:24twice due to complaints.
03:46:28So, Mr. Ramazan,
03:46:30it was almost attempted
03:46:32to create a perception that whoever touches these
03:46:36funds will get burned. He complained twice and was detained.
03:46:39Journalists who wrote about this topic were prosecuted.
03:46:42Now, Gökmen Bey, these
03:46:45papers are in front of us due to
03:46:48Fatma Betül Sayan. There are other
03:46:50similar stocks with no depth,
03:46:54and there are many things there.
03:46:58"Such movements have occurred. Now,
03:47:00I mean, is it possible for the stock
03:47:04exchange management, the Capital Markets Board management,
03:47:08and the board members not to see what
03:47:11we see from the outside? I mean, there are various mechanisms
03:47:14in the stock exchange, I mean, there is a surveillance
03:47:18and early warning system, there is a surveillance center,
03:47:21all of these
03:47:23are none of them.
03:47:29It's really unbelievable, but this is a planned
03:47:32movement, and I attribute this to
03:47:36a systemic issue, a systemic issue created
03:47:39by this regime, because, look, all the board members,
03:47:43the chairman of the stock exchange, the Capital Markets Board,
03:47:47the State Supervisory Board, including all board
03:47:50members, including the members of the board of directors,
03:47:54are appointed by one person, and that one person has no
03:47:58accountability. So, when this is the case,
03:48:02all of them, while they should be acting
03:48:05in the public interest, are acting within the framework
03:48:09of one person's political interest.
03:48:12I mean, by one person, I mean
03:48:15of course the fundamental reason for what
03:48:19we are experiencing is this, this system. Okay,
03:48:22Mr. Ahat, I want to add one more sentence.
03:48:26The night Fatma Betül Sayankaya resigned,
03:48:29she was on the program here again, yes, and that night,
03:48:33for the first time, I mentioned
03:48:36that Morgan Stanley had a system
03:48:39for this program, Morgan Stanley Capital
03:48:42Information, which consisted of its initials,
03:48:46and I reminded you that it warned the stock market
03:48:50in Turkey in June,
03:48:53of course, if in some
03:48:56funds, there are movements that are not
03:48:59compatible with the natural flow of life, to use that classic expression,
03:49:03there are excessive valuations, these are not possible,
03:49:06therefore, you need to control these.
03:49:10If you don't control the evaluation regarding these,
03:49:13there is a risk of lowering you to the border.
03:49:16I reminded you that he said that night. I guess
03:49:20Mr. Ahat, that warning didn't
03:49:24work at all. Then he warned again, you know.
03:49:27What I mean is this: he said,
03:49:31I'll take you out of the market, frontier market. The issue is
03:49:34that these institutions, dear Nesrin, the issue is that
03:49:37these institutions don't know the incident.
03:49:41It's not that they don't do anything, I mean, these foreign
03:49:44external organizations present the incident
03:49:47with all its details to them, they already do,
03:49:51but nobody lifts a finger afterwards.
03:49:54What happens then? On August 28th,
03:49:57Mehmet Şimşek and his team
03:50:00only then make the regulation
03:50:04or whatever legal arrangement about this. So the incident
03:50:07is this. "I even specifically said that evening,
03:50:11if there hadn't been this warning,
03:50:15these people wouldn't have made such a regulation,
03:50:18I suppose, and it would have continued like this. Yes, of course,
03:50:22because in August, the second warning came, and a very
03:50:26harsh warning came. So, on August 28th,
03:50:29they made that regulation, and on that day,
03:50:33like a waterfall, what did he say,
03:50:36exits started. İsmail Bey,
03:50:42Mustafa Balcı, yes,
03:50:44the journalist
03:50:47of the new party, had made an allegation. Özgür Özel had said it. Yes,
03:50:50he had asked Ömer Çelik to clarify whether he had
03:50:54recently vacationed in Bodrum with Nacar,
03:50:58who was rumored to have made a profit
03:51:00of around 20 billion. Later, Nacar shared
03:51:04a photo related to it. Nacar, I mean,
03:51:07Mustafa Balcı.
03:51:10"Moreover, he didn't even take the photo himself. The photo was already found
03:51:14from the archives by news agencies. Yes, it's already known
03:51:18that it was taken by news agencies, I mean, let me not say the wrong name,
03:51:21Demirören News Agency or another news agency.
03:51:25Ömer Çelik is sitting in the front row at a concert, and Nacar is sitting
03:51:28in the back row. This is a recent
03:51:32photo. Now, why did they arrest Mustafa Balcı
03:51:36for sharing this photo? For publicly spreading
03:51:39misleading information. Wasn't that the last arrest?
03:51:43Did those who made this arrest state that the photo was a lie?
03:51:46Did they say, "We found that this photo is a lie,
03:51:49a fabrication, a montage, so we are arresting you for
03:51:53publicly spreading misleading information"? I mean, it almost came to that.
03:51:57Generally, in the verdict, or in the request for arrest,
03:52:01such specific issues are not included. It says
03:52:04that as a result of the investigation, there is a possibility of tampering with
03:52:08evidence, etc., etc., but there is no finding regarding
03:52:11whether the matter exists or not. The criminal judge who makes the arrest
03:52:15does not comment on the accuracy or inaccuracy of this finding,
03:52:19he just says, "I arrested him," and moves on. The same thing happened. Let's
03:52:23remember this thing,
03:52:26Mustafa Balcı posted this photo. Do you know what
03:52:29Şaban Sevinç did? No, he
03:52:33quoted it. That tweet said, "This is a very important photo."
03:52:36That's all. That's all, I mean,
03:52:40a very important photo. Where was the public
03:52:42misled? What misleading information?
03:52:46What is false? There is no finding on this issue.
03:52:50Therefore, but one should have expected
03:52:53this. Yesterday, Ömer Çelik had said during the daytime
03:52:57program, "We have reached the first-degree alert level, legally
03:53:00and politically, we have gone to a very high level of alert."
03:53:03Yes, it's very normal for them to be on alert, because this is such a big scandal,
03:53:07the scandal they created, a warning bell
03:53:10for themselves, for their power, is ringing,
03:53:14and in order to suppress the social
03:53:18reaction to this, an action was carried out
03:53:21with such flimsy reasons.
03:53:25I mean, when I look at Turkey's
03:53:27arrest index in the recent period,
03:53:31I see this as normal, not to normalize it, but there is
03:53:35no need for any reason to arrest.
03:53:38For example, at the beginning, it was announced that Mustafa
03:53:42Balcı was only called to give a statement. Mustafa Balcı,
03:53:46İsmail Saymaz, Murat Ağarel, Şaban Sevinç.
03:53:49Now, Murat Ağarel and
03:53:52İsmail Saymaz actually went the next day and gave
03:53:56their statements as summoned, but Mustafa Balcı was
03:53:59detained on one side, and Şaban Sevinç was also detained. Yes,
03:54:02he was detained. I mean, also, the judge told Murat Ağarel
03:54:06and İsmail Saymaz, "Brother, I am releasing them
03:54:10with a travel ban and signing a bail. "Yes,
03:54:14why was it changed to house arrest this time?
03:54:16The reason for the house arrest was that the prosecutor's office objected,
03:54:20whereas the prosecutor's office had already requested judicial control. Therefore, against
03:54:24a decision made by the criminal judge,
03:54:27you should go to the military criminal court after judicial
03:54:30control, and the duty criminal judge should make a decision on this.
03:54:34But as far as I know, the sequential
03:54:38criminal judge following the criminal judge somehow
03:54:41corrected the judicial control. The initial decision was given by number 3,
03:54:45this came from number 4, then this decision.
03:54:48Therefore, their lawyers would have given an explanation
03:54:52of how this process was carried out. But it is already an illegal decision,
03:54:56very clear, very obvious. I mean,
03:54:59the crime of publicly spreading misleading
03:55:02information is a curse for Turkey, but
03:55:05let them not think that it is a curse for the opposition.
03:55:09This is an accusation that has already tied
03:55:13the hands of the government. I mean, as far as I understand,
03:55:17there are no other articles in the Turkish Penal Code.
03:55:20They are making arrests from the most unlikely places. For example,
03:55:23let him say, "insulting state organs."
03:55:27Now it's coming to that. When you make such an accusation
03:55:31against Ömer Çelik, you are insulting state organs.
03:55:34They would be more consistent here, believe me. But what is publicly
03:55:38spreading misleading information, really, it has no
03:55:41logical side.
03:55:44And there's also this situation that in that article,
03:55:48for the crime to occur, there are material
03:55:51and moral elements. It must be done with this
03:55:54intent, with the intent to disrupt public order, with the intent
03:55:58to damage public health, with the intent to do such and
03:56:02such. It must be done with this intent, and its elements must be
03:56:06present. I mean, now Fatih Ergin, the journalist,
03:56:09in his news report about the Kozinoğlu
03:56:12investigation, regarding a person's
03:56:16title, he wrote it like this,
03:56:19but it turned out to be like this. This is a mistake, this is a
03:56:23material error, this is how it's called in journalism.
03:56:26They arrested the man for a material error regarding a title.
03:56:30Fatih Ergin is in prison right now. What will you say now?
03:56:34I received a report. Did the relevant lawyer friend come?
03:56:37Yes, do we have time?
03:56:40I can read the criminal
03:56:43judge's statement here. There's actually not much to read.
03:56:47It only says that the suspect
03:56:51is writing about
03:57:23fund letters. I'm reading it very briefly.
03:57:26His recommendation, a very new claim for
03:57:30Ömer Çelik, that Ömer Çelik gave a fund recommendation, that a video was shared
03:57:34and that they were found to be openly spreading false information.
03:57:37This is all, the criminal judge's
03:57:41statement is this much. I mean, is it like he gave a fund recommendation?
03:57:44Yes, yes, Mr. Şaban probably shared
03:57:48something like this.
03:57:51We don't know that. But the important thing here
03:57:54is this: what we are saying is this: how did you,
03:57:57when bringing this accusation, and when the criminal
03:58:00judge made this arrest, determine that this was
03:58:04false information? Yes, that's the problem.
03:58:08That's the legal problem we are facing. No, if the photo is fake,
03:58:11AKP should explain this first. Ömer Çelik should explain
03:58:14it and say, "Brother, this is a fabrication." Do you see, he should say, "You messed
03:58:18up once again." Isn't that right, İsmail Bey? Yes, so here,
03:58:21"I mean, as far as I understand,
03:58:25the reason was that, taking into account
03:58:28that it was suitable to disrupt public peace,
03:58:31let's go together, then you can add it, okay, Ms. Tuyça, we'll continue after the break.
03:59:36"Good morning, my dear Turkey. Welcome, you brought blessings.
03:59:40You are on Halk TV screens. I am Gökan Kayış.
03:59:44It is October 11, 2026, Sunday morning,
03:59:47at exactly 8 o'clock. Full of greetings
03:59:50and love to all of you from the first minute
03:59:54of the weekend morning show. Don't mind us, we are drawn
03:59:57into politics, we are drawn into the politicians' arguments.
04:00:00I am aware of this, but I am doing
04:00:04everything I can to prevent this." But there are issues we cannot escape,
04:00:07democracy before our very eyes.