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00:00:16hello and good morning, it's eight o'clock now, we have a news
00:00:18update, this morning it was cleared for publication that two
00:00:21IDF soldiers from the paratrooper brigade, 55, Major
00:00:25(res.) Harel Biran Stock, company commander.
00:00:29Harel, who was 34 years old from Nokdim
00:00:32and advanced staff sergeant (res.) Tamir Vaknin, 33 years old
00:00:35from Eilat. Notice was delivered to their families. May their memory be blessed.
00:00:39In that incident, four reserve soldiers were severely wounded.
00:00:42The incident occurred yesterday around 12 PM
00:00:46in the village of Machdal Zun, within the Israeli security
00:00:50strip. Reserve paratroopers were securing
00:00:53engineering works and entered a building that turned out
00:00:56to be booby-trapped and were injured by an
00:01:00explosion. The IDF says this is a violation of the ceasefire.
00:01:04The Lebanese Al-Mayadeen network, which is identified with Hezbollah, reported
00:01:07that Air Force fighter jets attacked tonight in the Tyre area in southern
00:01:11Lebanon. According to the report, three attacks were also carried out using
00:01:14drones, and rescue forces evacuated several
00:01:18wounded from the scene. It was also noted that the IDF fired artillery shells
00:01:21towards the Al-Hassaliter area in the south of the country. American
00:01:24and Israeli officials confirmed to CNN that negotiations
00:01:28between Israel and Lebanon are expected to resume
00:01:32today. A Lebanese source added that significant developments
00:01:35on the ground may prevent the return to negotiations.
00:01:39Now for the tensions in the Persian
00:01:42Gulf, US President Donald
00:01:44Trump reiterates that Iran must not have nuclear
00:01:47weapons, and yet he prefers to reach a deal with Tehran
00:01:51because he doesn't like to kill people, as he put it. Here are things that
00:01:54'. "I'd rather make
00:01:58deal because I
00:02:02don't want to kill people, I do not want to kill people, but at some
00:02:05point we're going to, we had, we were, we were set for the
00:02:08biggest attack of any
00:02:12attack, and we've hit them very hard for the last few months, but we were, we
00:02:16were all set for the biggest attack since World War II, and they
00:02:19called me, and they said, please don't do it, let's talk, and then they don't,
00:02:23they said, we never said that."
00:02:27Yes, so against the backdrop of the crisis in the Persian
00:02:30Gulf, talks between the United States and Iran continue. Nathan
00:02:34Gutman, our correspondent in the United States, with the report. The United States
00:02:38hopes to reach an agreement with Iran on opening the Strait of Hormuz as early as today or
00:02:42tomorrow. The talks in Oman are proceeding at a slower pace than expected
00:02:46in Washington. The waiting is for the Iranian side
00:02:48and the Supreme Leader to approve the understandings that have already been reached.
00:02:51Yesterday, a ship passing through the Strait of Hormuz reported hearing explosions, but
00:02:55beyond that, the relative calm in the Strait has been maintained for
00:02:59several days. President Trump said yesterday that he prefers to make a deal
00:03:02rather than return to war, because he doesn't want to kill
00:03:06people, according to him. Trump stated that he is still waiting to see what the outcome
00:03:09of the negotiations with the Iranians will be. The intention of the United
00:03:13States is to return to direct talks with Iran on the green issue immediately
00:03:16after an agreement is reached regarding the Strait
00:03:20of Hormuz.
00:03:22הורמוז.
00:03:25The murder of lawyer Harel Feldman in Rishon LeZion. The police obtained
00:03:29a new recording of a conversation between Feldman and the murder suspect,
00:03:32Ahmed Al-Rajoub. Ada Greenberg, our correspondent, we're coming to you with
00:03:36the new details.
00:03:39Yes, hello Jonathan. This murder suspect maintains his silence during
00:03:43the investigation. The only thing he tells the investigators is "I am mentally ill,"
00:03:47and two days ago, even after his arrest, he was indeed transferred to a psychiatric
00:03:50hospital for mental patients in Be'er
00:03:54Yaakov. During the psychiatric examination he tells the psychiatrist
00:03:58the following things:
00:04:00"I wanted to reach white walls. If you put me with someone
00:04:04in detention, I will murder him." It must be said that regarding
00:04:07the police investigation, there is
00:04:11a recording of a conversation that took place two weeks ago, very close
00:04:15to the murder, between Ahmed Al-Rajoub, the murder suspect, and lawyer
00:04:19Feldman, in which recording
00:04:22the content of the financial dispute
00:04:25that was the motive for the murder according to the police
00:04:29investigation is heard. Let's listen to the recording between Al-Rajoub
00:04:32and lawyer Feldman, may he
00:04:34rest in peace.
00:04:38Three years of waiting, what
00:04:40is this?
00:04:44Come on, I've been waiting three years, this fucking
00:04:47old man, I think they'll write this, and I
00:04:50need, I'm not waiting for anything, you told me clearly, in court,
00:04:53thirty,
00:04:56you told me, send me your bill, you told me, send me your bill.
00:05:14And that's all for our news update for this hour. Immediately after us, Chen
00:05:17Lieberman and Gili Cohen in Kan News on Channel B. Our next update
00:05:20will be at 9. Have a good and quiet morning. See
00:05:24you soon.
00:05:33We wanted to lull you, but this is a morning that reminds us that
00:05:37the fronts are open, the reservists are
00:05:40in the field. Ah.
00:05:44And the war continues and two of them paid
00:05:47today the very
00:05:50heavy price. Major Harel Biranstock, Major
00:05:54(res.), and Sergeant Major Tamir
00:05:56Vaknin.
00:05:59Ah, yes, two soldiers from the Spearhead Brigade, Brigade 55, reserve
00:06:02soldiers who are in August in reserve in southern
00:06:06Lebanon, ah, an incident whose details are still
00:06:09being clarified, ah, entered a house. Meanwhile,
00:06:14during the ceasefire, before the ceasefire, what exactly happened
00:06:17there? Ah,
00:06:19and now
00:06:21we say hello to Matan Biran
00:06:25Stock, brother of Major (res.) Harel.
00:06:28Hello, good morning. Listen, the very
00:06:31fact that you are talking to us at such a difficult
00:06:33time I assume it is most
00:06:37important to talk about Harel
00:06:40for a moment and tell us
00:06:43about him.
00:06:46Yes, absolutely. This is not, this is the
00:06:50man, a very
00:06:52amazing man, whom every, every household in Israel should
00:06:56protect, because of the things he did, and how much he gave for
00:07:00the state, how much he loved the state,
00:07:03that he walked among us, what a round of reserve duty this was
00:07:06for him, wow, what a very very difficult question, I can't
00:07:10say, but he was also there.
00:07:35And this was, this was a very , very significant component of his
00:07:39life, both in terms of the amount of time
00:07:42and resources he invested in it, and also his heart was
00:07:46placed there alongside his other
00:07:50fathers, so his heart was certainly torn between
00:07:53reserve duty and family, absolutely
00:07:57absolutely, absolutely, Harel was a
00:08:00very, very family-oriented person, with unusual
00:08:04life forces, he loved life very, very much, he loved his
00:08:08family, he loved
00:08:10to have fun, he loved to run.
00:08:24His family also had a child born during
00:08:26the war.
00:08:30Against the army. How old is the youngest child?
00:08:34The child is one year,
00:08:37and a half. Yes, even more, one
00:08:41and eight months. Born, born
00:08:43after, after January 24th, after
00:08:46the first deployment
00:08:48in Lebanon.
00:08:51Did he share with you the difficulty of being away
00:08:54from home and the dilemmas?
00:08:57Um, of course, yes, it's
00:09:01always there, it's always the question, it's always, ah,
00:09:04always, always hovering over this whole event.
00:09:08Um, and absolutely, absolutely,
00:09:11it was not, it was not. Something very, very, very complex, but
00:09:15ah, with the help of his strong wife,
00:09:18ah, and the support he received from her, and the support
00:09:22he received from his amazing children, and the family
00:09:24support that ah,
00:09:27both the family
00:09:30support that was given for this
00:09:33event, without, without, without such support, it's impossible, and when he
00:09:37sets it in motion, it's impossible to follow him. When was the last time
00:09:40you spoke, Matan? Ah, we spoke. Two days ago, I think.
00:09:43publicly supports was at home. Ah,
00:09:47two days ago he was at home. He said he came back just the day before. No,
00:09:51yes, he came back. He came back, not two days ago,
00:09:54three days ago we spoke. He came back two days ago. He went
00:09:58north. He managed to stop at my grandmother's house, who lives
00:10:02in Kiryat Hata for lunch.
00:10:06My mom's name is, ah, yes, I last spoke to him three days
00:10:09ago. I spoke to him. He was wearing the football shirt
00:10:13I bought him, ah.
00:10:16He seemed happy, yes, he went,
00:10:19came back, entered Lebanon, exited Lebanon, no, all the, all
00:10:23the, all the event of this round,
00:10:35go and we come back and we fight and everything is fine, we continue our
00:10:39routine.
00:10:42We can continue to manage this routine.
00:10:44Nathan, what a
00:10:48time to say, how is this happening
00:10:52now? Tamir Vaknin was also killed,
00:10:55his partner. Do you know him? I don't know him,
00:10:59Harel had a partner, a partner who accompanied him throughout
00:11:03the war until, I don't remember exactly, until maybe a year
00:11:07ago, he had one partner who was with him. I don't know this guy, I don't
00:11:11know him. He had one partner who was
00:11:14with him, who also lives in the Gush, a guy we know
00:11:17from here.
00:11:19מפה,
00:11:21I don't know Amir and his family, and I of course.
00:11:25Ah, I send, ah, I send my condolences
00:11:28to the family. And if you go back
00:11:31for a moment to your last conversation three
00:11:35days ago, you said he stopped at your grandparents'
00:11:38house. Do you remember what he said to you
00:11:41before he went back
00:11:44in? I said, I don't, there's no
00:11:48way I can remember that, just like there's no way I can remember
00:11:51the other conversations we had, ah,
00:11:58what are
00:12:01you eating now? That's it, there was no fear at all,
00:12:04of course, a lot, a lot of dedication to the mission and to what needs to be
00:12:06done. Ah, not really, not at all, things
00:12:10that you know I say to myself, wow, what
00:12:13a last conversation I had with my heroic brother.
00:12:16Of course, because you didn't know it was the last conversation.
00:12:20Ah, certainly, yes, Matan, what is important for you that
00:12:24we remember? That we talk about him today, about
00:12:27Harel?
00:12:31It's important for me that the people
00:12:33of Israel know what a powerful person he
00:12:36was, how much he was devoted
00:12:40to life, to his family, and how
00:12:43he managed to combine that with many, many, many other missions he had,
00:12:46whether in the army, whether at work, whether
00:12:50projects he took upon himself, and there was truly a person who
00:12:53succeeded. To touch everything, zero compromises,
00:12:57a very, very, very high standard,
00:13:00from himself. I can tell a story, I think it's a very, very telling
00:13:04story, but Harel ran after
00:13:07the maneuver in Lebanon in November
00:13:0924. He had, he was registered
00:13:13for the New York Marathon on behalf of the Shalva association, which was
00:13:16part of a fundraising project.
00:13:20And the maneuver in Lebanon began in October, and he trained
00:13:23very, very hard for the marathon, of course, this is his
00:13:27third marathon, I think. Ah,
00:13:30and he and the team didn't finish, and he
00:13:33after a month, maybe he didn't train at all, he did
00:13:37train during the assembly areas, because he said that
00:13:40he managed to run in the Hula Valley and do
00:13:43runs there. You understand how crazy this thing
00:13:47is, that in the midst of all the missions in the assembly area, everyone
00:13:50who knows what an assembly area means knows what that
00:13:54means. The pressure.
00:13:58The missions and the things that need to be done, especially for commanders,
00:14:02and he managed to find the time to really train
00:14:04and dedicate a lot, a lot of time to it.
00:14:07Ah, and in the end he went to the marathon and ran it like
00:14:11a pro, and it was an immense experience
00:14:15that he had, and as his brother, it was really crazy to see
00:14:18that you came out of Lebanon a moment ago as a commander,
00:14:21you were loaded with responsibilities, and you still managed somehow to run a marathon.
00:14:25As part of this fundraising journey, when you have children
00:14:28at home, it's really absolutely, yes, no, I'm saying
00:14:31that all his
00:14:35combination between
00:14:37the army and his other missions, it would not
00:14:41have been possible without Elia and without his four
00:14:45amazing children. The immense
00:14:49immense, immense support he received at home. Ah,
00:14:52of course.
00:14:55Matan, look, we're talking to you right now, and it sounds
00:14:58like you have the strength
00:15:01to support the family,
00:15:04the children.
00:15:07So thank you for that, and we will release
00:15:10you, to many more conversations,
00:15:13for sure, that you will have about Harel,
00:15:17Harel Biranstock, may his memory be blessed, thank you, thank you, Matan, thank
00:15:20you Matan.
00:15:23Now, ah,
00:15:29I think one of the most amazing things about this story
00:15:32is to see reservists
00:15:35who generally give. too much
00:15:38to reserve duty during the year and try to continue living their lives
00:15:42as if reserve duty isn't happening. Yes, he measured. Yes, he
00:15:45completed a maneuver in Lebanon and he trained
00:15:48for a marathon and he ran a marathon after a month of fighting in Lebanon
00:15:52and moving between houses and conquering
00:15:55Hezbollah's strongholds. Anyone who knew quite a few such reservists
00:15:59will be Yair Golan, Air Democrats.
00:16:03Hello, hello, good morning. I want
00:16:06to join in the heavy grief over the fall
00:16:09of Harel Bernstock and the fall of Tamir
00:16:12Vaknin, the paratrooper soldiers who paid
00:16:15with their lives for the security of
00:16:18Israel.
00:16:21My condolences to the families. Yes, absolutely. You were the commander
00:16:25of the Northern Command. I assume you knew this sector. Is it
00:16:28in your opinion something that will impose a ceasefire, ah,
00:16:32when forces are in the field with certain restrictions on activity
00:16:35and on the other hand they are also
00:16:38identifying targets and operating in southern
00:16:41Lebanon?
00:16:43Look, the most dangerous thing for Israel right now is
00:16:47to sink back into the quagmire of a security zone,
00:16:51the famous Lebanese mud. This will not
00:16:54contribute to Israel's security, and we already have experience
00:16:57with this. Therefore, we must not repeat past mistakes. What does
00:17:01that mean? And that means that Israel needs to lead
00:17:04a process in Lebanon under which
00:17:08there will be a massive deployment of the Lebanese army and not in some three
00:17:11enclaves. We need to establish an international force
00:17:14in Lebanon, not UNIFIL, a real force with enforcement powers
00:17:18on the ground, which together with the Lebanese army will ensure that there is no Hezbollah
00:17:21descent to the border area,
00:17:25and start doing it quickly. When we
00:17:27drag our feet and everything moves very, very slowly, then in the end
00:17:31Hezbollah exploits the vacuum
00:17:34that is created on the ground, planting bombs
00:17:38in the area, and in the end soldiers pay for it
00:17:41with their lives. We must, on all fronts,
00:17:44not just in Lebanon, have an Israeli initiative,
00:17:47and the Israeli initiative must be in Gaza, because the situation in Gaza requires
00:17:51the establishment of an alternative government to Hamas. The situation
00:17:55with Iran requires an initiative in which Israel influences
00:17:58Americans and is not outside the discussion table. But look
00:18:02at Lebanon right now, there are negotiations with the Lebanese government right
00:18:05now.
00:18:24The names of the fallen have been published. We have already seen the military response. We
00:18:27have already seen this movie. This will not change the picture fundamentally.
00:18:30And whoever thinks this will create some deterrence for Hezbollah for all
00:18:33eternity, that will not happen. So you think that the IDF should not have responded? No,
00:18:37no, it is imperative to respond, it is imperative to respond. The IDF is doing its job. I don't think there is
00:18:41any need for the IDF to have too many recommendations. It knows what it needs
00:18:45to do. According to what was said, Yair,
00:18:49the IDF's recommendation was to attack more, and the political echelon
00:18:52blocked a more aggressive attack, because there are negotiations.
00:18:56This is a natural thing. There are constraints.
00:19:00Not always do the political constraints,
00:19:03as they are called, affect the army in the same way. This is a reasonable
00:19:06and normal thing. But I want to say something much stronger
00:19:10than that. There must be a political initiative. The agreement
00:19:14that was created in Lebanon was ultimately an American imposition on
00:19:17Israel. What exists in Gaza is an American imposition on Israel. What
00:19:21is happening with Iran is actually an American initiative, and Israel is not
00:19:24in the picture at all. Only if there is a new government
00:19:27in Israel will we succeed in regaining the political-security
00:19:31or security-political initiative, so that Israel will
00:19:34serve, with the help of political agreements, its
00:19:38security interests. Currently,
00:19:41Israel's security interests on all fronts are being
00:19:44severely harmed, because there is no government capable of understanding
00:19:48this eternal unity between security
00:19:51action and political action. We must
00:19:54regain the political initiative, because
00:19:57the political initiative is what will translate military achievements into long-term
00:20:01security. When Gadi Eisenkot says that there are
00:20:04more experienced people than you for the position of Minister of Defense, how do you
00:20:08respond to him? I don't respond to that. I think that right now we
00:20:11need to focus all our efforts on forming
00:20:15a united opposition that works
00:20:17in coordination, without backbiting each other, without
00:20:21falling for the traps of the poison machine, without responding at all
00:20:24to the poison machine, to go our own way, for each
00:20:28of the parties, several years
00:20:31in politics, but without backbiting and without that,
00:20:34this is contrary to the fundamental principles of politics.
00:20:38I think we are in such a special situation, so critical
00:20:42to the fate of Israel, that we need to do extraordinary
00:20:45things. The future coalition will naturally
00:20:49be a party from across the political spectrum.
00:20:52Therefore, everyone needs to focus on their role.
00:20:56Lieberman's role and Bennett's role, and perhaps also Eisenkot's
00:21:00role, is to bring votes from the right. Our
00:21:03role as Democrats is to establish an ideological
00:21:06and principled alternative to the right-wing
00:21:09government that has truly brought us to an unprecedented
00:21:12national disaster. But what Lieberman and others say is that in fact
00:21:16you are preventing them from doing their job, which is to bring in the votes.
00:21:20The picture of the mandates is clear, ah,
00:21:23mostly, there is no, generally, in recent months there has been no
00:21:27movement. This is not related to my statement, one
00:21:30way or another. Therefore, everyone must fulfill their role.
00:21:34They will bring the votes from the right, I will establish an ideological
00:21:37and ethical alternative that will serve Israel
00:21:40as a liberal, democratic, progressive, prosperous country. This is the only
00:21:44possible future for the State of Israel. But are you preparing for the fact
00:21:47that if the opposition loses in these elections, they will blame
00:21:50you? I want to tell you, there's no way we'll lose
00:21:54these elections, simply no way. I've entered many
00:21:58battles in my life, I've never said what would happen if I
00:22:02failed. We will not fail, we are going to win, we are going to win
00:22:05big. And therefore, I suggest to all of us to lift
00:22:09our heads, to fight for our principles, each
00:22:12one will do it in their sector, ah,
00:22:14to ignore the poison machine, because all the dirt and what runs
00:22:18on social media is from the house of shame. And a dream, don't get excited about it, don't
00:22:22pay attention to it, present to the Israeli public an optimistic
00:22:26alternative, an alternative that has real
00:22:29hope, and we will do it and we will win. So you don't think you're serving
00:22:33Netanyahu's campaign?
00:22:35I must not, not only do I not do that, I think
00:22:39I represent a public that is fighting against Netanyahu,
00:22:42his government, I am fighting against Netanyahu, his government
00:22:46simply in a different way. I represent a public that went out
00:22:50into the streets after Yariv Levin's speech on January 4,
00:22:5423. I represent the public that went out
00:22:57to fight for the release of the abductees
00:23:00and ultimately brought about the release of all of them. This
00:23:04public is the democratic liberal public in Israel that understands
00:23:08very well that there is no other future for Israel than as a progressive
00:23:11liberal democracy. Yes, it's also a public that, we'll continue the sentence, believes
00:23:15that a Palestinian state should be established or at least some beginning of a process
00:23:18of separation from the Palestinians.
00:23:21This is the public that understands very well that a conflict is not managed,
00:23:24a conflict is resolved, and we need to resolve the conflict with
00:23:28the Palestinians. Yes, it's just that the method of solution that you are talking
00:23:31about and your voters is completely different from Lieberman's.
00:23:35I am happy for the opportunity, I am happy
00:23:38for the opportunity and I tell you that even with Lieberman and even with Bennett, we will
00:23:42find common ground. He is a de facto
00:23:46annexation of millions of Palestinians into the State of Israel.
00:23:49They understand this very well. Therefore, we need to focus the question. It's not whether there will
00:23:53be a Palestinian state or not. The real debate is whether
00:23:57we are headed for annexation or separation from the Palestinians. Annexation of
00:24:00millions of Palestinians into our midst is the end of the Zionist enterprise, and therefore
00:24:04we must separate from them. How will we do it? We will talk
00:24:07about that later, we will discuss that later. There are
00:24:11all sorts of ways to annex and there are all sorts of ways to separate. We will find the right
00:24:15method. Let's talk for a moment about what happened this week on the
00:24:18Patriots program. Israel's security, Katz, when he
00:24:22talks about the head of the Central Command, Avi Bluth, after
00:24:25that there's a debate whether he fired him or not, but he's already talking about his replacement,
00:24:29it's clear that this is not the way to talk about a general,
00:24:33but what do you think about the performance of the head of the Central Command, Avi
00:24:37Bluth?
00:24:39I don't want to comment, publicly, on my opinion on the performance
00:24:43of this or that general, regardless of Avi Bluth. I think the shocking
00:24:45thing here is not, it's not...
00:24:53So the shocking thing here is another illustration of the fact that Israel
00:24:56has no Minister of Defense. It does not have a Minister of Defense in a very
00:25:00specific way. The person who stands today at the head of the
00:25:03security system, perhaps the most sensitive and most important system
00:25:07in Israel, is a political opportunist who
00:25:10does not understand security, never understood security, and in my opinion, this
00:25:14is a dangerous situation like no other. Another proof that
00:25:17this government needs to be replaced sooner rather than later. I remind
00:25:20everyone that the only reason that Minister Katz was elected
00:25:24to his position was the assumption that there
00:25:27would be a sweeping draft law for Haredim in military service. Perhaps
00:25:30the goal was exactly what we are seeing now.
00:25:33עכשיו
00:25:36This is a disgusting goal, and therefore it needs
00:25:39to be changed. I say again, this is another proof that this government needs to be replaced sooner
00:25:43rather than later. But I think that because the situation
00:25:47in the Patriots program was so grotesque, everyone is talking about
00:25:50it. But maybe we should talk for a moment about what is happening in Judea
00:25:53and Samaria, about the Jewish terror that has been rampant in recent
00:25:57months, and all this on the watch of the weak. Of course, we need
00:26:00to talk about it.
00:26:03When the situation in Judea and Samaria is on the verge
00:26:06of an explosion, and this is another disaster that this government is bringing
00:26:09upon us. I can commit to you on
00:26:13three principles that we will know how to implement on the ground immediately
00:26:17after a new government is formed. First, we will fight
00:26:20terror to the death, all terror, Palestinian
00:26:24terror and Jewish terror. Second,
00:26:27we will restore law and order to the Judea and Samaria area,
00:26:30including the re-establishment of the Shin Bet district. From a practical standpoint, we have ceased
00:26:34to function. And third, we
00:26:37will remove all illegal outposts from the
00:26:40ground, because there is no place in the State of Israel for illegal
00:26:43activity. And you say that, and you say that
00:26:47when in the future coalition, if
00:26:50and when or if you win the elections, someone will sit
00:26:53who lives in a legal settlement, Nokdim, someone who was the secretary
00:26:56of the council, anyone who sits in a legal settlement,
00:27:00I have no interest. to discuss
00:27:03his status right now, and therefore I mentioned three principles.
00:27:07Yes, the question is whether your future coalition partners also support
00:27:10the third principle you mentioned, the evacuation of illegal outposts. I have
00:27:14no doubt that they do. I think that Bennett actually said it himself.
00:27:18Yes, I think that both Bennett and Lieberman
00:27:21certainly Eisenkot understand very well that the moment
00:27:24illegal activity is allowed, and it doesn't matter in what
00:27:28part of Israeli society this happens, the thing is
00:27:31actually. The destruction of Israeli democracy, the destruction
00:27:35of the fabric that actually unites all of us. Therefore, it should not be allowed.
00:27:38I think that every law-abiding citizen should oppose
00:27:42illegal activity. What do you think about Lieberman's demand, his ambition
00:27:45to be Prime Minister?
00:27:49I generally oppose this discussion
00:27:52about who will get which portfolio. I don't refer to these things. I
00:27:56think that right now, anyone who looks at the emerging mandate
00:27:59picture, it seems to me that the highest
00:28:03probability is that the Prime Minister will be Gadi
00:28:05Eisenkot.
00:28:07On another matter, ah, do you understand the criticism within your
00:28:11party about the possibility that you will reserve Einav
00:28:13Gauk?
00:28:16Why are you laughing? I have no intention of discussing reservations publicly.
00:28:20These matters are on my
00:28:23table. I'm also not close to names of who is in, who is
00:28:27not. We'll discuss this later. The main discussion
00:28:30here is between myself and myself, and we will make
00:28:32decisions in the future. Yes, but you are ultimately a democratic party, you
00:28:36lead the Democratic Party, a party with
00:28:39primaries, with a history that has indeed gone through various
00:28:42transformations, but ultimately a party that has a tradition of primaries in both Meretz and Labor,
00:28:46it's not a matter between you and yourself, it's ultimately a matter of
00:28:50the party's institutions.
00:28:52Certainly, but everything I do is, of course, in accordance with the party's
00:28:55constitution. Ah, again, I say I won't go into
00:28:59that. We are very proud to be the only
00:29:03democratic party in the opposition bloc. I think that in general, the correction
00:29:06of Israeli democracy requires
00:29:09the parties to be democratic parties.
00:29:12Democracy is culture, and therefore it must be in all
00:29:16spheres of our public life, from the homeowners association
00:29:19and the neighborhood to, of course, the parties
00:29:22and the Knesset, and therefore we are very proud of the
00:29:25democratic process we carried out, it was a democratic celebration, there were primaries that were truly
00:29:29an unusual celebration, with...
00:29:32Today, more than 115 thousand members of the party,
00:29:36it's truly exceptional. Okay, so I do want to ask
00:29:39in conclusion, after we really saw attacks
00:29:42from within the bloc, from within the change
00:29:45bloc against you, against other people in the Democrats
00:29:48party, whether, alongside
00:29:51the statement that yes, you have an ideology,
00:29:54an alternative, and you stand behind these things, are there still
00:29:58lessons being learned, are there still any
00:30:01limitations that you place on yourself and your
00:30:04party members?
00:30:07Of course there are, we are also people who learn and draw lessons all
00:30:10the time, and there is a lively and open internal discourse within
00:30:13the party, it's an excellent discourse, that's how a party
00:30:16should look. Yes, certainly, we are constantly learning,
00:30:20I hope that the media also learns themselves, and I
00:30:23repeat, we have one task, one in these
00:30:27elections, to expend all our energy
00:30:30against the coalition. The failure and the ruin,
00:30:34and to establish and create an optimistic alternative,
00:30:38a winning alternative so that we truly not only replace
00:30:41the government, we bring about a deep change of direction in the path
00:30:45of the State of Israel, in a way that will strengthen
00:30:49democratic, liberal, progressive, modern Israel, I
00:30:53think this is all our task, this is what we want to do, and I
00:30:56am sure we will know how to do it with what is called a strong hand and an outstretched
00:31:00arm, Yair Golan, Chairman. Of the Democrats party, thank you very much,
00:31:03thank you and have a good day, no problem.
00:31:07נועה,
00:31:11On the way, on the way to Jerusalem-Tel Aviv, traffic jam at the Noam interchange.
00:34:37We're back, and now let's return to the conversation we had
00:34:40about a month ago with Colonel (res.)
00:34:43Moshe. He was a senior intelligence officer at the
00:34:46Hostages Headquarters in the IDF,
00:34:49and we'll do a kind of follow-up segment. With Moshe,
00:34:52we talked about the mental coping and the mental toll on those who
00:34:56participated, took part in this all-important mission, a conversation that resonated
00:35:00with us for weeks after
00:35:03the conversation, what drove us, and let's first say hello,
00:35:06Moshe, good morning. Yes, good morning, Gili, please tell us
00:35:10what has happened since, both in terms of the discourse of the people
00:35:13who worked with you, at headquarters, and generally, it's thousands of people in the end,
00:35:17also about what the system does or doesn't
00:35:20do? Good, so the idea
00:35:23really had an insane
00:35:27ripple effect.
00:35:30We received, not just me, but also others
00:35:33who are involved in this,
00:35:37from former members of the headquarters, many, many, many
00:35:40inquiries, written, verbal,
00:35:43people who
00:35:47waited, I think, for this thing
00:35:50that would allow them to admit, first of all, to themselves
00:35:53that they are in trouble or that they
00:35:57need to deal with something, and suddenly it gave them a voice, and I was very, very
00:36:01surprised by
00:36:02the intensity.
00:36:05Ah, so I think that's the most important thing,
00:36:08that people, first and foremost, allow themselves
00:36:12to express
00:36:14themselves, especially to each other, but
00:36:17others, and it's important for me to convey to those people
00:36:20and also to those who haven't yet reached out, you are not
00:36:23alone, continue to reach out, we will know how to provide you with support,
00:36:27even if the system currently doesn't have the support,
00:36:30we will know how to provide it to you, and you are not alone, so that's regarding
00:36:34that issue. I do want to ask you at this stage, did you understand anything
00:36:37from the responses you received after the interview, did you discover
00:36:41other things about your subordinates that you didn't
00:36:45know about their coping?
00:36:49Um, there wasn't anything that they approached
00:36:53me with that surprised me in terms of
00:36:56the symptoms, for example,
00:36:59that people expressed or
00:37:02shared. Yes, how deeply
00:37:06within the headquarters it reached circles that I didn't necessarily
00:37:10have direct contact
00:37:11with
00:37:14and truly how much it penetrated each
00:37:18and every one who was involved, and truly each
00:37:21one from their own perspective, so maybe that is indeed
00:37:25the scope of the
00:37:28circles it touched and still affects them today, that's a bit
00:37:32yes. I'll just say, Moshe, that I received
00:37:35reactions that the very fact that a senior officer, you are a Colonel,
00:37:38you have three stars on your shoulder,
00:37:41that someone from this genre
00:37:45talks about it, allows many
00:37:48young people to also feel more
00:37:51open. You said that you call on those who hear us
00:37:55and feel that it allows for more engagement with the issue to reach out, so just
00:37:59tell us where to reach out and then we'll also talk about what
00:38:03has happened since at the institutional level.
00:38:06So where to turn? Everyone who served
00:38:10in the unit, there are
00:38:13WhatsApp groups, which I will also upload the contact details to
00:38:17after this interview. You can turn there, you can turn
00:38:20directly to me, um,
00:38:23people know,
00:38:25they know. Just don't be
00:38:29alone with it because you are not alone, and we will know how to
00:38:33provide, even when there is no systemic support, each and every one
00:38:37with what they need. Those who need a group will have
00:38:40a group, and those who need individual support will have individual support, and we will know exactly
00:38:44how to provide the required support to each
00:38:46and every one, even if there is no systemic support right now, and here
00:38:50I will move on to the second part
00:38:54of the first question you asked me, which is
00:38:58regarding the responses
00:39:01in the military system. So indeed, in the week following
00:39:04the interview, there was some optimism.
00:39:08Yes, there were discussions and there was dialogue, and it seemed
00:39:11that indeed this thing gave
00:39:14some push, but this thing
00:39:18already dissipated in the second week,
00:39:21and there is a very, very great frustration
00:39:24among those who are in
00:39:28discussions, that we have returned to the same point of, broadly speaking,
00:39:31stagnation, staff work that was
00:39:35never enough.
00:39:37And here, as I said in the previous interview, the human soul does not
00:39:41wait for staff work.
00:39:43I think, and I said this to several senior officials
00:39:46in the IDF, that this is the time for
00:39:50command decisions,
00:39:53that the command in the IDF will understand what needs to be done and will say to strengthen
00:39:56the staff. What are the interim conclusions? What is needed?
00:40:00Where are the gaps and to make
00:40:01a decision?
00:40:06Not to use staff work as some
00:40:10way to delay. Yes. Ah, look, I'm receiving during
00:40:13the interview now, also reactions and inquiries
00:40:17from people who didn't hear the previous interview and want to understand a little more deeply what
00:40:21it's about. Now it's not easy
00:40:23to go back to descriptions
00:40:27and to the conversation we already had, but if you could still
00:40:30explain to someone who is just
00:40:33learning about it now, what is the unique
00:40:36psychological
00:40:39struggle for people who were involved like you in
00:40:42captives and missing persons?
00:40:45No problem, I will explain. It caught me a bit
00:40:48off guard. Um, I will also say
00:40:52that I have a reference from
00:40:55combat events, okay, so I know the
00:40:58feelings, and I will say that whoever
00:41:00deals
00:41:03with this field of captives, kidnapped men and women,
00:41:05ah, I used the phrase of
00:41:09a person who signs for a captive, signs a captive, it means he is
00:41:13responsible for him from beginning to end. If he is alive, he is responsible to bring
00:41:17him back home alive,
00:41:20whole, and healthy as much as possible. And if he is
00:41:24fallen, then he is responsible not to lose him.
00:41:29And it's like when you sign out a weapon from the quartermaster's
00:41:33or a uniform, and you have to return them in the end. Here,
00:41:36yes, you are signed to him, and he is yours.
00:41:40And when that is the situation,
00:41:43it penetrates every fiber of your
00:41:46soul, it, it
00:41:49doesn't really allow you to live. People are
00:41:5324/7 around this thing, because you don't allow
00:41:56yourself now to go home, to be
00:41:59at an event,
00:42:02good life, you don't, you don't allow yourself, because there is this
00:42:06person you are signed to who is not here, and is there something now. In the
00:42:10alternative time, you could do something, you are very focused
00:42:13on this thing, and every thing you don't manage to do, that you
00:42:17fail at,
00:42:19in saving him, in protecting
00:42:23his very life, especially the people
00:42:27who lost the captives they were signed to,
00:42:30ah, that's something that scars and it takes a toll, and there are things
00:42:34that happen later, many of the phenomena and many
00:42:38of the psychological awakening occurs precisely after the captives return
00:42:41home, ah, and the person starts
00:42:45to process and digest the experiences he
00:42:48went through, and the stress now
00:42:51dissipates in
00:42:54daily life, and then suddenly things start to
00:42:57surface and erupt, and you can have
00:43:00triggers you never even thought of, it can be
00:43:04the clothing of a person walking in front of you on the street
00:43:07and that clothing reminds you. Of
00:43:10the last image you have of the captive, or of the female captive,
00:43:14ah, it suddenly reminds you
00:43:17of an event, it can be a smell, it can be, it can
00:43:21truly be all the phenomena that we know in the transition from trauma
00:43:24to post-trauma, they occur and happen among the graduates
00:43:28of the unit,
00:43:30and therefore, support is needed, and we are
00:43:34very late in providing that support
00:43:36to people. We will soon
00:43:40be a year after all
00:43:43the captives are home, and that means we are already at least
00:43:47a year behind. Moshe, we, first of all,
00:43:51promise that we will continue to conduct this follow-up until there is
00:43:54a proper solution, yes. And thank you again for the conversation. Even though
00:43:58you said we caught you unprepared to talk about it,
00:44:01your description conveys
00:44:04it chillingly, palpably,
00:44:08and I think everyone who heard
00:44:11what you're going through now. And thank you for the follow-up, it's very,
00:44:15very important, and I'm sure that as long as you
00:44:19continue and adhere and give it a platform, then also
00:44:23people in the Shin Bet, and in military intelligence, and
00:44:25generally in the army who were involved in this, will have a voice and the ability
00:44:29to express themselves, and I am also convinced that the systems will eventually catch up
00:44:33and provide the right support. Thank you very much, thank you Moshe,
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00:45:15We'll be right back with Chen Lieberman and Gili
00:45:18Cohen, here on Kan
00:45:21News.
00:48:06Brodsky. Hello to you. Hello, good morning. Look
00:48:10at the next description. The man who for the first time
00:48:13suffered Iranian missile attacks, an article from the Iranians,
00:48:16still ahead of us. The man who in recent years couldn't give
00:48:20us tips on how to evade
00:48:23Iranian missiles. What do you say about this description? I'm
00:48:27going with it, why not? You are finishing
00:48:30in the coming days, five years in Ukraine, you didn't
00:48:33expect that on your watch a war would break out
00:48:37between Russia and Ukraine and you would find yourself in the middle of a third world war,
00:48:41right? That's right. I arrived
00:48:44in Kyiv exactly five years ago, when no one
00:48:48was talking about the possibility of war, certainly not a war
00:48:51as widespread as what happened
00:48:55later. And gradually, reports began to accumulate
00:48:58in the weeks leading up to it that something was going to happen,
00:49:02and we prepared, we didn't know exactly what to prepare for,
00:49:06but leading up to
00:49:09the outbreak of the war, it was already clear that something was going to happen,
00:49:11and indeed, something happened that hadn't happened in
00:49:15decades, the biggest war in Europe since the Second
00:49:18World War. And suddenly, this arena that you chose to serve in,
00:49:22it became a much more interesting arena. That is, if you think for a moment about
00:49:26the moment you received the appointment to Kyiv,
00:49:29how did you imagine it would look, and how
00:49:32did it change? Ukraine has always been
00:49:36an interesting country, also concerning relations with
00:49:39Israel. They were never quiet relations,
00:49:42on the one hand, on the other hand, very
00:49:46close relations. We are two very close peoples and two very
00:49:49close countries, but of course we didn't expect
00:49:53such a level of action.
00:49:56And indeed, we found ourselves in a new situation,
00:49:59which I believe no Israeli diplomat is
00:50:03accustomed to, and nothing prepares you for such a
00:50:06situation. Meaning, even in terms of preparing
00:50:09the family for what such a term would look like, I
00:50:13assume there were all sorts of changes and things you didn't
00:50:15anticipate. There were many changes, first
00:50:19of all, we already in early February
00:50:222022 sent our families home,
00:50:26evacuated the children and spouses, and then, towards
00:50:29the outbreak of the war, just before the outbreak
00:50:33of the war, three days before that, we evacuated the embassy, all
00:50:36the emissaries to western Ukraine, and we were
00:50:39there for a while when the war began, and then we moved
00:50:42to Poland and set up near the border to help Israelis
00:50:46leave the country. When you sum up five years with
00:50:50many upheavals, disputes, also
00:50:53criticism of Israeli conduct, of Israeli
00:50:56policy towards Ukraine, there was a lot of feeling, Zelensky expressed
00:51:00it explicitly, that Israel is not doing enough. In the end, two
00:51:04countries that are in a state of war, that know what war
00:51:07is, where do you think Israel erred in its
00:51:11policy?
00:51:14Always, one can always do more, and it's never
00:51:17enough for a country that is in a state
00:51:20of survival war. No step or
00:51:24aid is enough. Israel did
00:51:27a lot for Ukraine. Israel
00:51:31took a very clear and principled stand at the beginning
00:51:34of the war. It condemned Russian
00:51:36aggression.
00:51:39We took until they criticized Russian conduct here, and explained
00:51:43to us that it's because Russia is on our heads
00:51:46in Syria and that we have to be on the fence, at least
00:51:50rhetorically. This time we weren't on the fence,
00:51:54we took a very clear
00:51:57step at the beginning of the war, but it's clear
00:52:00that we have limitations and red
00:52:03lines, ah, because we live in a very
00:52:07problematic, very turbulent region, and we need to consider
00:52:10the main actors affecting our situation, because our
00:52:14situation is not a state
00:52:17of peace, far from it. And the Ukrainians at first
00:52:21may have found it difficult to understand this, but they certainly understood it on October
00:52:247th.
00:52:26And since then,
00:52:29many questions simply disappeared, and it was very clear that we
00:52:32ourselves are in a state of war. And
00:52:36you cannot demand from us what the Ukrainians demand,
00:52:39for example, from European countries or from NATO countries. You say the Ukrainians
00:52:43understood, but again, Zelensky said these things bluntly, so you're saying there are
00:52:47things he says publicly, but behind the scenes he did
00:52:50understand? I think that the situation since the beginning
00:52:54of the war, the situation has changed. There is much more
00:52:57understanding of our needs, of our limitations,
00:53:01and we too have come a long way.
00:53:06In our attitude towards Ukraine, and throughout
00:53:09the war, we have provided aid, including an alert
00:53:12system, which is not humanitarian
00:53:15aid, but truly substantial aid
00:53:19to a population in a state of war. So
00:53:23it's clear that one can always do more, and by the way,
00:53:27the Ukrainians have complaints not only against us, but against many
00:53:30countries that do not supply exactly what they
00:53:33need, but countries have interests, and certainly the state
00:53:36of Israel, which is in such a complex situation,
00:53:40has interests and limitations that are, after all, quite
00:53:43clear. You know, we had a bit of fun in the intro about how we present you
00:55:07A children's book on how to raise a diplomat at home, a guide for future ambassadors and their parents.
00:55:11ולהוריהם.
00:55:13How do you teach diplomacy in a world where diplomacy is quite
00:55:17dead? When we see Trump telling Zelensky, commenting on
00:56:05Okay, Gili, we're finishing for this hour, we'll continue in the next
00:56:09hour to talk about the incident in Lebanon, and we'll also
00:56:12broadcast remarks from Yoav Horovitz, former chief of staff to
00:56:16the Prime Minister and CEO of the Prime Minister's Office, Netanyahu, who is moving on, has moved on a bit
00:56:19already, yes, in an interview
00:56:23that will be broadcast on News Friday, we will bring a short excerpt from the interview that teaches
00:56:26quite a bit about what happened in the news
00:56:29rooms.
00:56:41Tomorrow on Sumac, Pepper and Olive Oil, I will host
00:56:45the singer-songwriter and actress Noam
00:56:48Kleinstein. Noam, I put here some
00:56:51subtle, subtle hints about the food you are
00:56:55going to get, very subtle. Here is Persian lemon and another Persian
00:56:59lemon, so to speak. Tomorrow the answer is already
00:57:02inside.
00:57:05Who here feels they love their bank? Is hating it a difficult
00:57:08emotion? They just take money from you. Wow! There's no reason, it can
00:57:12be zero. Not three, not nine shekels,
00:57:15zero for current account. Now, if it doesn't go
00:57:19my way, it's the highway.
00:57:22I'm aware of this, and I blame myself for it. To say I want zero, I want
00:57:26zero, they don't give easily. The competition
00:57:29in banks starts now. One day
00:57:32David Grossman called, introduced himself. At first I didn't
00:57:36believe it was him, but then he convinced me. He said, I have a
00:57:40song that I think would
00:57:42suit you. And it was a really cool song.
00:57:46Like, the breakthrough is so simple. To make a song just from stickers
00:57:49that has all this Israeli content.
00:57:52Teachers, everyone like, this
00:57:55is like the stickers, ah, for the first time in my life I realize there's
00:57:59explosive material here, black gold
00:58:02third
00:58:03at 11
00:58:08Chochmat Tarbut tomorrow, Gil the female transition has become a cultural issue.
00:58:12Lo, the parents of the returned hostage Nimrod Cohen are releasing
00:58:15a new book each. A new book, the prophecy
00:58:19of destruction by one idiot, and Gitit
00:58:22Fisher in a questionnaire tomorrow
00:58:23at four.
00:58:26Hey sisters, no plot, a blue and
00:58:30white vacation will be amazing. It will
00:58:33be fun.
00:58:37What are you, Hanoch Rosen? Move
00:58:39normally. I will kill
00:58:43her.
01:00:17We have the news update. This morning, it was cleared for publication that in southern Lebanon
01:00:21two IDF soldiers from the 55th Paratroopers Brigade
01:00:24fell yesterday. Major (res.) Harel Birnstock,
01:00:28company commander in Battalion 2855,
01:00:31of the Spearhead formation, 34 years old
01:00:34from Nokdim, and Staff Sergeant (res.) Tamir Vaknin,
01:00:3733 years old from Eilat. Notification was given
01:00:40to their families. May their memory be blessed. In the same
01:00:44incident in which the two fell, four reservist soldiers were seriously
01:00:47wounded. The incident occurred yesterday around 12 noon
01:00:51in the village of Majdal Zoun which is within the Israeli
01:00:54security strip. Reservist paratroopers, conducting
01:00:58engineering work, entered a building that turned out to be booby-trapped
01:01:02and were hit by an IED explosion. The IDF has controlled
01:01:05the area where the incident occurred for a long time, and the army says that Hezbollah
01:01:08violated the ceasefire understandings. This, despite
01:01:11it being unclear when the explosive device was planted.
01:01:15The Lebanese al-Mayadeen network, which identifies with Hezbollah, reported that Israeli
01:01:19Air Force fighter jets attacked last night in the Tyre area in southern
01:01:22Lebanon. According to the report, three attacks were also carried out using
01:01:25drones, and rescue forces evacuated several wounded from the scene.
01:01:29Concurrently, it was reported that the IDF fired artillery shells towards
01:01:32the Al-Tahr region in the south of the country.
01:01:36And meanwhile, American and Israeli sources confirmed to CNN
01:01:39that negotiations between Israel and Lebanon are expected
01:01:42to resume today. A Lebanese official added that significant
01:01:46developments on the ground may prevent
01:01:48a return to negotiations.
01:01:52The body of the man was found yesterday in the Yarkon Interchange area during
01:01:56The search for the missing Elder Dean, as announced
01:01:58by the police. Dean, a 23-year-old resident of Dimona, was last
01:02:02seen in the Petah Tikva area 19 days ago.
01:02:05Adas Grinberg, our reporter, is here with the update, with the latest
01:02:09updates, Adas. Right, hello Yonatan. First of all,
01:02:12the body was found this morning, and now
01:02:15let's take half a step back.
01:02:17Yesterday, the investigation into Eldar Dean's disappearance moved from the Negev district
01:02:21to the Sharon district. Today, as part of
01:02:25searches this morning by Sharon police
01:02:28and Mega.
01:02:34In the Petah Tikva area, immediately upon
01:02:38finding that body, they are, of course,
01:02:41collecting evidence from the field and have also sent the body
01:02:45to the Institute of Forensic Medicine for, of course,
01:02:49identification completion. It is important to note that there are no
01:02:52indications at this stage that it is
01:02:55the body of Eldar Dean,
01:02:59but due to the location and, of course, the fact
01:03:02that a body was found in the area, they are, of course,
01:03:05checking its identity at the Institute of Forensic
01:03:08Medicine, and when
01:03:10its identity is confirmed, the police will, of course,
01:03:14update the public. But
01:03:17as of now, according to those in the field,
01:03:19as mentioned, the body itself is in a very difficult state
01:03:23and therefore very difficult to identify in the field,
01:03:26also from evidence there. We will continue
01:03:32after yesterday the new party of Trooper
01:03:35and Hendel was officially launched. Today, Gila
01:03:39Gamliel announced the establishment of his party. Ya'ara Shapira, our political
01:03:41correspondent, has the
01:03:44update. Yes, Erdan and Edelstein
01:03:47arrived in Tel Aviv this evening to finally officially launch
01:03:51their party after all sorts of delays, both technical and those
01:03:54related to the essence of closing the rest of the
01:03:57list. There are still members who will be
01:04:01presented to this list, Aliza Bloch and Hezi Nehama are expected to announce
01:04:04their joining in the coming days, but it seems to me
01:04:07that they want to keep the suspense, and therefore this evening,
01:04:11only Erdan and Edelstein, number one and two
01:04:14in the party, appeared and will present
01:04:16their list. A right-wing party, but one that will not be
01:04:20willing to join a narrow Netanyahu government, but only
01:04:23a broader government that will ensure equality in the burden,
01:04:27which essentially means not with the Haredim but with... elements
01:04:30from the other bloc. Another one of those parties
01:04:34that are in the middle between the blocs. Ya'ara,
01:04:37thank you. Yoav Horovitz, who was Netanyahu's confidant,
01:04:41Director General of the Prime Minister's Office, opens everything tomorrow
01:04:44in the Friday news edition on Kan News. The full interview with
01:04:48our reporter Gili
01:04:48Cohen.
01:04:52I really wanted to work with Netanyahu. And I knew a Netanyahu
01:04:56who I thought was statesmanlike.
01:05:01If I once thought that was true, today I know that it is not
01:05:04true. Power corrupts
01:05:07moral values, but it corrupts the perception
01:05:10of reality.
01:05:13The State of Israel files an indictment
01:05:16a war against the State
01:05:17of Israel.
01:05:21And to conclude the weather forecast, today and tomorrow a slight gradual
01:05:25drop in temperatures in cities and inland areas,
01:05:28temperatures will become normal. In the season on Saturday, a slight
01:05:31rise in expected temperatures, an increase
01:05:34in heat stress in most areas, on Sunday the weather
01:05:38will be similar.
01:05:41And that's it, this is our news update for this hour, now back to Chen
01:05:44Lieberman and Gili Cohen on Kan News on Reshet Bet. Our next update
01:05:47at 10, have a good and quiet morning, goodbye
01:05:50for now.
01:06:00Near Petah Tikva, the body is in a state of decomposition, nothing can be identified
01:06:04from it, it was sent to the Institute of Forensic Medicine,
01:06:07to, of course, complete its identification, but
01:06:11because of the area and the location and following, of course, the investigation
01:06:14into the disappearance of Dar Dean, which, by the way, moved yesterday
01:06:18from the Negev to the Sharon, and following searches this
01:06:21morning by the Sharon district
01:06:24in this mentioned area near Petah Tikva, a wooded
01:06:28area, and the finding of that
01:06:30body. It is being sent at
01:06:34this hour, as mentioned, for identification at the Institute of Forensic Medicine. And after
01:06:37its identification, the picture will, of course, begin to become clear.
01:06:41Is it, God forbid, Eldar Dean or
01:06:44any other person who may have gone missing
01:06:48recently. Police forces are still
01:06:51at the scene, also to collect evidence
01:06:54from the area of the scene as much
01:06:58as possible. We will continue to update,
01:07:02but we need to be careful,
01:07:05this is still not a development, as you say, if you can point
01:07:08to the things we do know in this
01:07:10case, well, this case
01:07:14was divided between
01:07:17two commanders and was very
01:07:20complex in that regard. Eldar Dean, together
01:07:23with Omer Peretz and Maxim Warberman, his two friends,
01:07:27left on the 18th of July from...
01:07:37And they also fight among themselves, Omri
01:07:40and Maxim fight
01:07:43with Eldar and leave the scene, the ones who leave the scene are
01:07:46Maxim and Omri, after some time, while Eldar
01:07:50remains in that park in the Sharon, his friends
01:07:53leave, and there another incident develops,
01:07:56this time,
01:07:58between Eldar's group, Maxim and Omri, and
01:08:02another group that was there
01:08:05in the park, when the three friends
01:08:08from Eldar leave the scene and are discovered.
01:08:12Already when they arrive, Maxim's mother's car,
01:08:16they abandon the car
01:08:18and from there the disappearance essentially begins, it is not
01:08:22clear, there is no sign where Eldar last
01:08:26stepped. Omri and Maxim
01:08:28are arrested, today they will be brought again for the extension
01:08:31of their detention, and we will, of course,
01:08:34continue, let's just say that Eldar's family
01:08:37issued a statement a few minutes ago, criticizing
01:08:40the police's conduct, claiming a lack of humanity, that the police acted
01:08:44with indifference and complete disregard for the family's side, which we all
01:08:48hope, the family states that it is not Eldar and that they do not
01:08:51know if it is him or not, and they will wait
01:08:54for the results, so we all, let's say that no matter what, there is
01:08:57a person who died and his body was found. Good, we will continue this
01:09:01update, now we return to Lebanon with Brigadier General Erez
01:09:05and the head of the Securityists Movement, hello, hello,
01:09:09hello Erez, you hear about this incident that
01:09:12occurred during a ceasefire, two soldiers unfortunately killed, fell
01:09:16in battle in southern Lebanon, another four seriously
01:09:19wounded.
01:09:21You ask yourself what about the presence of
01:09:24IDF forces in southern Lebanon in that expanded security strip during a ceasefire?
01:09:28I tell myself that the service
01:09:32of IDF forces there is important and vital beyond measure, and it seems
01:09:36that we still have a lot of work to do and complete.
01:09:39Now we need to put things in perspective, the ceasefire or agreement
01:09:42is ours against the Lebanese government. Against Hezbollah, we continue
01:09:46to destroy its infrastructure day by day and hour by hour. Even
01:09:50yesterday's activity in the zone was
01:09:53not an activity, it was not some kind of
01:09:56scouts' trip. It was an activity of searches to prevent it.
01:10:00Just yesterday, another tunnel was blown up not far from there with more ammunition
01:10:03and more weapons of Hezbollah. This activity is the same
01:10:07long, Sisyphean, continuous activity. I don't know the
01:10:11details of the event to know what happened and why, yes, it is
01:10:14still being examined and investigated, but look, this is a shadow that says there is a ceasefire
01:10:18and that it was violated by Hezbollah.
01:10:20Look, these are statements that are made to justify
01:10:24our attacks and our activity. What does it mean violated by Hezbollah?
01:10:28Hezbollah is there, it has not disarmed, it has not
01:10:32disclosed the locations of its warehouses and means, therefore, word games,
01:10:35I don't think anyone I have had the opportunity to speak with quite a few
01:10:39soldiers from the brigades, including a member of our movement. He came
01:10:42from that brigade that left a long time ago
01:10:45and talks about the fighting and the daily
01:10:48work, they are not living, they are not delusional, and they do not
01:10:52think they are in some kind of idyll or some kind of ceasefire, but word games
01:10:56in Kadima, meaning we need this excuse to
01:10:59achieve more targets in the target bank, more
01:11:02targets, more targets, more attacks, more action, more
01:11:05explanation to the world, to our American friends
01:11:08and in general, that Hezbollah is still there and as long as it is there,
01:11:12we have something to do there, so we will not leave there in the foreseeable future
01:11:16until we really see a significant change from
01:11:19but Zvinner, that's exactly what they're talking about when
01:11:22there's an incident and when there's additional photography
01:11:26that's exactly what they're talking about in Rome, the representative of the Israeli government, the Israeli
01:11:30ambassador to the United States is sitting at the same table as
01:11:33the Lebanese ambassador and they're talking about the continuation of the
01:11:37withdrawal, meaning Israel doesn't really want it all the way,
01:11:40but but that's what they're talking about. They're not talking about
01:11:43the continuation, they're talking about the continuation of the negotiation process
01:11:47between us and Lebanon, now why am I not worried
01:11:50or less worried? Because this agreement
01:11:54in Lebanon, which is our agreement with the Lebanese government against
01:11:57Hezbollah, I say this and I don't check if I'm hearing
01:12:01myself correctly, it is similar to the achievement we achieved
01:12:04in our agreement in the Gaza Strip, the 20-point
01:12:07agreement, this is the first time since Camp David that the State of Israel signs
01:12:11agreements.
01:12:21Israel signed the 20-point agreement. There is
01:12:24a signature of the Israeli government on the agreement, which of course was put
01:12:28on the table by the US President, but it was signed, he signed
01:12:32the protocol of Sharm
01:12:34Now you're getting into a details that I assume none
01:12:37of our listeners
01:12:40So here, here, here, my job is not to...
01:12:55recognize that this is the aspiration of the Palestinian people. If the Israeli government had
01:12:58signed this, it seems to me that you would be speaking somewhat differently.
01:13:02That's part of the story. It didn't sign the 20 points, it only
01:13:06and tries to have its cake and eat it
01:13:09too. So just tell me if you want to move
01:13:12on to discuss the 20-point agreement and Gaza, because if so, I have an answer, we
01:13:16are here, we are discussing it, this is the moment. So
01:13:20the 20-point agreement regarding Gaza,
01:13:23ah, was an agreement. that stemmed from our very, very
01:13:27good understanding, both of the reality of what we know how to achieve, what we managed to achieve militarily,
01:13:31unfortunately, mainly because the security establishment did not deliver the
01:13:34result for almost two years,
01:13:37and also because we
01:13:40knew what the enemy would do in this context, I just
01:13:44want to stop you, when you say the security establishment did not deliver the result
01:13:47for two years, what was the desired result that it did not deliver, and why?
01:13:51Ah, the destruction of one article in the IDF's war goals,
01:13:55Hamas military and political, the overthrow of Hamas rule. And why do you think the establishment
01:13:59did not deliver this result? Because, and here I
01:14:02say this not as a commentator but as someone who was the commander of the Southern Command's planning cell
01:14:06for 12 years, including a year and a half into this
01:14:09war, and as someone who put on the table a plan
01:14:13that was eventually called "Gideon's Chariots B," but in July
01:14:1624 years earlier under a different name, "Five Stones," he put it on
01:14:20the table as a plan that, in my professional opinion, would have brought
01:14:24an end to the war under more or less the same conditions and results that we eventually
01:14:28managed to achieve. And there was resistance from the system for all
01:14:32sorts of reasons, some reasons more
01:14:34objective,
01:14:36ammunition shortages, manpower shortages, some less objective reasons, correct
01:14:40and incorrect management, correct and incorrect management, but as
01:14:43Gili says, maybe it's related to the hostages and the danger
01:14:47they face from the plan, no, on the contrary, the danger they faced was
01:14:51from them sitting another year with the terrorists. I
01:14:55believed, and reality also proved throughout, that I was probably
01:14:59right. I myself am too strong,
01:15:02that only our effective, aggressive,
01:15:05and excessive military activity is what will bring the hostages, and that's what brought the first
01:15:09agreement, that's what brought the second agreement, the operation in Jabaliya,
01:15:12and that's what eventually brought the third agreement that brought all our hostages back alive
01:15:16and as casualties, but there were also those who died in captivity
01:15:19and sometimes
01:15:21due to IDF fire. There were also soldiers who were killed as a result of...
01:15:31No, no, war is a complex matter, Hamas kidnapped our citizens, Hamas murdered the Bibas family
01:15:34and others regardless of IDF activity, murdered because
01:15:38they murdered, in the case of the Bibas family you are probably right, but there are
01:15:41hostages who were killed due to military pressure, right, and there are
01:15:44also soldiers who were killed due to an operation in the Gaza Strip, and there are also soldiers
01:15:48who were killed because we were sometimes overly careful not
01:15:52to harm the hostages, this is a war, an ugly business. Something I want to understand
01:15:55from you, when you talk about the destruction of Hamas rule, do you think there was a way to do it without
01:15:59also creating a governing alternative to Hamas?
01:16:03I am convinced that there was a way to do it, and the reason that
01:16:06whoever is supposed to take command in Gaza, so I will
01:16:10say for a second, I will finish, the reason that for many, many years, and I
01:16:13have been dealing with the Gaza Strip from the "Mofet Mitzuka"
01:16:17to the current war
01:16:19from 2008-9 to
01:16:232024, ah. Or 25,
01:16:26sorry, this, the reason that all those
01:16:30years we told ourselves, we don't have anyone else instead of Hamas, and therefore let's
01:16:33put up with it, and you certainly remember a weakened Hamas, a restrained
01:16:37Hamas, or Hamas is an asset, of course I remember all these
01:16:41things, and what October 7th brought us
01:16:43to understand, that Hamas no,
01:16:47this paralysis of until we don't find the perfect
01:16:50Zionist ruling entity, the embracing one that will hold
01:17:00The initiative should have been what we did in Iron Swords, but
01:17:04much earlier, and not after they massacred us and murdered and killed and tried
01:17:081200 of our citizens, Erez,
01:17:11in the end, a decision was made
01:17:15at the Southern Command headquarters by the Prime Minister on October 1st
01:17:18to continue the series of negotiations with Hamas, meaning your opinion,
01:17:21perhaps, was not accepted. Before the war, right,
01:17:25and even during the war, not just on October 1st,
01:17:29I was not involved on October 1st because I am a reservist and not a regular soldier, but my opinion
01:17:33from 2014 and 2016 and 2018
01:17:37and 2021, right, my opinion was not accepted, and my opinion was not always
01:17:40like that, I also personally went through a process and a change,
01:17:44but I'm talking about the war right now, if you ask me who should replace
01:17:47Hamas, I tell you that the real solution for the Gaza Strip is only
01:17:50one professional solution, that is emigration, as long as the problem
01:17:53remains there of a million-something Palestinians who are in
01:17:56the Gaza Strip, ah, with an education
01:18:00system that is entirely incitement and hatred towards us for decades,
01:18:03and it continues even today, as long as it continues like this, even if we continue.
01:18:31it states that anyone who wishes to leave will be allowed to leave.
01:18:35The compromise on the word "emigration" was President Trump's compromise to bring
01:18:39the negotiations to the table in order to eventually bring back the hostages, in order to, in order to,
01:18:42and yes, I agree with you that the emigration plan
01:18:46that Trump spoke about in January a year earlier, we could have
01:18:49promoted and pushed a little harder. What was was what we needed to see now
01:18:53what's next, okay, a question about a question about the Peace Council's
01:18:57initiative plan. I tweeted this week that as part of the plan to dismantle
01:19:01Hamas, the Peace Council intends
01:19:03to offer to purchase, to buy,
01:19:06to pay. To those who deposit Kalashnikovs as part of
01:19:10the attempt to disarm the, to demilitarize
01:19:12the Gaza Strip, ah, on condition
01:19:15of a commitment not to return to terrorism
01:19:18and in fact to do a kind of rehabilitation process
01:19:22for terrorists, and then you see it. Yes, I
01:19:25am very familiar with the UN Peace Council plan, not from articles
01:19:29and media briefings, but
01:19:31from within, ah, and I say that if we succeed in implementing
01:19:35the UN Peace Council plan.
01:19:37Wait, it's not, it's not the UN's, it's the Peace Council's, but how do you know them from within, sorry, Trump's
01:19:41Peace Council, right, one of the biggest and best things that happened to us is that it
01:19:45no longer belongs to the UN, it belongs to the Peace Council.
01:19:49How do you know this from within, did they consult with you, did the council members talk to you,
01:19:52what is the background? There is no
01:19:54background, I'm saying that I know the plan well, and I think the plan is
01:19:58an excellent plan, and if we succeed in implementing
01:20:02it as written and not give up halfway, as sometimes happens
01:20:05to us, and not turn a blind eye halfway. And not say, well, they didn't
01:20:08do exactly, so and we continue with the next steps,
01:20:12then our situation will not be good if we continue to be so meticulous as we are now and don't
01:20:15give an inch as long as they don't implement
01:20:19the plan. Wait, but we'll still get there even if we implement
01:20:22this plan and we stick to it, we'll still get
01:20:25to a situation where there isn't the solution that you propose as the only solution, according to you,
01:20:29which is emigration. Right, I didn't say that the plan is perfect, I said that the plan
01:20:33was a last resort, and I started by saying that our need was that the plan was a last
01:20:37resort. Between what we managed to achieve militarily, and the desire
01:20:40to resolve the difficult and painful issue of the hostages for Israeli
01:20:43society, and our need to also deal with other
01:20:47fronts, such as Iran, which was a hotbed of incitement,
01:20:51and maximizing these constraints, this
01:20:54plan was the most feasible option, and I say again, if
01:20:57we implement it exactly as written, and for now it seems that we are adhering to it, and even
01:21:01this week, which was a bit rough and people said, "Here they are retreating and so on," Landau
01:21:04came out and said that Israel will not
01:21:08retreat before there is complete demilitarization and dismantling, complete demilitarization and dismantling includes
01:21:11everything from everything, and not just what they tried to imply that they would not give
01:21:15and were given and how they would give. Good, and the other clauses, I tell
01:21:18you, I'll just say in conclusion that I think it might be worth considering
01:21:22a more realistic plan than emigration if we really want
01:21:25to see a solution, two million people in the end, two million people,
01:21:29two million people, let me, let me also say my sentence,
01:21:32to explain, there are no two million people there, there are many fewer, if
01:21:35you want, I'll explain to you exactly how many and why,
01:21:38and second, I didn't say that emigration is the only solution, I said that emigration is the perfect
01:21:41solution, the interim solution is the dismantling and demilitarization of Hamas,
01:21:45denazification in the format that was done in the united emirates in other
01:21:49places,
01:21:51and the issue of the emirates model
01:21:54of Yushi, which can operate in the clan model
01:21:57in Gaza, we don't need there certainly not the Authority that we
01:22:00need to dismantle in Judea and Samaria regardless, we need something
01:22:04else there, not perfect.
01:22:07But we have other topics for this hour, so thank you very much, Brigadier General
01:22:11(res.) Have a good day, thank you.
01:22:15Now let's move on to the interview you conducted with Yoav
01:22:18Horovitz, former Chief of Staff and Director General of the Prime Minister's Office
01:22:21under Netanyahu, a man who for a long
01:22:25time has not spoken, he is part
01:22:27of the founders of the party of Yair Lapid.
01:22:30You know, if we zoom out,
01:22:34on a person who was the confidant of a politician who was in power for many
01:22:38years, he was with him for many years,
01:22:41I don't know if "admired" is the word, but he looked up
01:22:44to him, and their paths diverge,
01:22:47and he crosses the lines, he is now preparing
01:22:51Gadi Eisenkot to replace and succeed Netanyahu. Ah,
01:22:55this story itself is a big story, beyond the fact that Horovitz was
01:22:59in closed rooms during many processes that happened here in recent years, including
01:23:02in slightly less pleasant events, yes, and I think he was also there
01:23:06for a moment. Before the change, just before, during the period
01:23:09when the Prime Minister's Office, the Prime Minister's Office, still had
01:23:13people who came to serve the kingdom and not
01:23:16the king, he was still at that point, and that's exactly what he's talking about
01:23:20in the interview and also, I think, about the turning point that is associated
01:23:23with the filing of the indictment against Prime Minister Netanyahu.
01:23:27And let's hear a clip where he specifically refers to this.
01:23:30Everything is allowed. The struggle that the State of Israel is filing an indictment against
01:23:34Benjamin Netanyahu, a war against the State of Israel. The justice system,
01:23:38the enforcement system, people who dared
01:23:42to be part of this thing. What happened to the investigators in the police,
01:23:45investigators who investigated the Prime Minister, who are in danger
01:23:48of falling. They were told to investigate him. Each one
01:23:52of them was thrown out of the police force, I allow
01:23:55myself to say in my words, in shame, they were simply sent away and to this day
01:23:59people are hunted there, yes, he
01:24:02is preparing for the poison machine. I think he already knows the poison machine.
01:24:06I also asked him about that.
01:24:10I also asked him about that in the interview. No, no,
01:24:13I don't think he can be surprised, but I think that sentence from the moment the State
01:24:17of Israel against Benjamin Netanyahu it became Benjamin Netanyahu against the State
01:24:20of Israel, ah, it's a very, very strong sentence
01:24:23that resonates, ah,
01:24:25and tells, again, in the eyes of Yoav Horovitz,
01:24:29what happened and what he wants to happen.
01:24:33Let's say two things, I reached out for a response
01:24:36to the Prime Minister's political spokesperson, and I was very
01:24:39surprised by the handling, by the fact that he didn't really want to give
01:24:43a response, because according to him, we don't interview
01:24:45bluntly enough, strongly enough, I don't know, something
01:24:49like that. Now, but he didn't see, they didn't see the interview, how do they know
01:24:52how he was interviewed? That's exactly the point, that's exactly
01:24:55the point. Okay, that's one thing, and let's remember, the interview
01:24:59will be broadcast on Friday news at 10 to 8, on Kan
01:25:0211, and about that
01:25:06and about many other things. In our commentators' corner, we have more
01:25:09elections.
01:25:13Elections 2026, here
01:25:16news on Reshet Bet all the way to the polls.
01:25:22All the way to the polls, Yoram Marciano, former Knesset member and chairman
01:25:26of the Labor faction, hello to you, good morning, soon
01:25:30also Osnat, hello, Gili, good morning, with whom are we? With
01:25:33my dear Osnat, we are waiting for her
01:25:36to stop. I'm not
01:25:38responsible for current affairs in the Likud,
01:25:42the phones are currently busy. Tell me, how do you see it, both
01:25:46the criticism of the State of Israel against Benjamin Netanyahu, Benjamin Netanyahu against the State of Israel?
01:25:50And also the very move of, ah, ah, crossing the
01:25:54lines, it seems to me,
01:25:57I didn't understand, what do you mean? You may not have listened to us when you were waiting on
01:26:01the line? We were talking about Yoav Horovitz, they really threw me off.
01:26:04We need to explain, so we need
01:26:07to explain again, Yoav Horovitz was the Chief of Staff of Benjamin Netanyahu, his confidant
01:26:11for many years, he crossed the lines, one of the founders of Yair Lapid's
01:26:15party, the man who is preparing Gadi Eisenkot to be the next Prime Minister.
01:26:19Ah, he was interviewed. And the interview will be broadcast tomorrow
01:26:23and says that from Netanyahu's perspective, there is no power
01:26:26limit, that power corrupts and that from the moment
01:26:29the indictment of the State of Israel was filed against Benjamin Netanyahu, it became Benjamin Netanyahu
01:26:33against the State of Israel. First of all, I want to say something to all those
01:26:37former officials, I am not with Netanyahu, that's clear, but I
01:26:40really don't like those who worked with someone and the day after cross the lines,
01:26:44I'm very afraid of those people, I'm saying this as sincerely and honestly as possible, if you do
01:26:48it not, you'll do it tomorrow with someone else. In my opinion, loyalty
01:26:51in politics is a very, very important thing, I don't mean you should be a donkey and not change your
01:26:55mind, but but from here to slandering and reaching
01:26:59places of
01:27:00slander,
01:27:06No, no, but I want to clarify something for a moment, because I think that Yoav Horovitz
01:27:10for many years refrained from being the one
01:27:14who leaves the Prime Minister's Office and then starts slandering, but you would agree
01:27:17with us, Yoram, that there comes a point in time
01:27:21when you can no longer remain silent, and then you also have a responsibility, because in the end you came
01:27:23to the public, you have a responsibility throughout the years, I
01:27:27am not referring now to an election campaign, so he is now joining Gadi Eisenkot,
01:27:31and that's fine, and until today that's allowed, where was the criticism all these years?
01:27:34Allowed, slandering not said, I will never, I will never
01:27:38work with someone whom tomorrow I will leave, I will cross over, and believe
01:27:41me, I worked with Shimon Peres and I worked with Amir Peretz and I worked with
01:27:45senior people in the Labor Party and I was close to them.
01:27:49I will never slander a person I worked with behind
01:27:52his back or immediately after I
01:27:55leave. Okay? Apropos, apropos
01:27:59slandering, let's talk for a moment about what's happening in the opposition bloc.
01:28:02We again, but I want to say something else apropos this matter, I think something much
01:28:06bigger happened than Mr. Horovitz,
01:28:09who was interviewed yesterday, and tomorrow
01:28:13it will be published, I think yesterday was an interview that anyone
01:28:16who heard it understands that actually one of the senior
01:28:24Likud ministers says it's a shame he's not in the Likud, he's our
01:28:28DNA, part of us, he could lead. Meaning, yesterday whoever
01:28:32received the legitimacy for this
01:28:35prime ministership actually received it from within the Likud from one of the seniors, from Dudi
01:28:39Amsalem, and I think that was definitely a statement that yesterday I saw
01:28:43all the Likud mouthpieces squirming, talking,
01:28:46and that was a statement that it's related to the location of
01:28:50DodimSalem in the primaries polls. You see, there haven't been primaries yet. I suggest
01:28:53not to write off DodimSalem. DodimSalem is a very very strong person within the Likud. He is an opinionated
01:28:57person. I don't always agree with him, but he has something that...
01:29:00He is Moroccan, but he is not Mizrahi. You read about this by
01:29:28chance, really nonsense. Why are we getting into this? The first Mizrahi prime minister, so maybe
01:29:39it's possible
01:29:41that it will happen. Try to explain to us what
01:29:45they are trying to tell us here. I want to tell you something. This discourse
01:29:49of Moroccan Ashkenazi from a high age.
01:29:52At 62, when I have granddaughters and grandsons and I have children,
01:29:56I thought it disappeared. My father immigrated in 1948
01:30:00to Israel. I was a Knesset member in the Labor Party.
01:30:03Mizrahi Moroccan who received votes in kibbutzim
01:30:06and development towns and in neighborhoods and in the
01:30:10selected areas, and they didn't care if I was Marciano or if I was
01:30:13Marcianovich. They voted for me. Come on, guys, stop this discourse.
01:30:17This discourse is not... But this discourse exists, whether we want it or not. Osnat Mark
01:30:21is joining us now. Osnat, where have you been? We were waiting
01:30:24for you. I'm just in places where I'm driving and I'm
01:30:28in a place with not much reception.
01:30:39So, look, in this ethnic discourse, when they come and try to explain to us why Gadi Eizenkot is right,
01:30:43he is Moroccan but he doesn't represent, and he is not Mizrahi. I don't
01:30:47know. Again, this is a song of unrequited love, yes, that he is not warm
01:30:50and caressing, yes, yes, or that the public he represents is not
01:30:54Mizrahi. You manage to understand what they are trying to say
01:30:57here? I don't want to even touch
01:31:00the issue of Mizrahi or not Mizrahi. But I can say
01:31:04that in the end, Gadi Eizenkot doesn't really represent what I
01:31:08represent, which is I grew up, I grew up
01:31:11in the periphery, and I don't, I don't
01:31:14accept, I grew up in the periphery and I don't accept
01:31:17this discourse
01:31:20of, yes, there was
01:31:24discrimination, there was no discrimination. Let's put things on the table.
01:31:27When my parents arrived from Morocco, there was
01:31:30discrimination. Period. I don't know, I didn't
01:31:34hear what he said in the last few minutes. But I
01:31:37personally can tell you that many times, many times, even
01:31:41in these years, even in the years that I was a Knesset
01:31:44member, many times they excluded me from all sorts of places,
01:31:48on a basic level. So let's start now
01:31:52to caress her. Wait a second,
01:31:55I didn't hear you. I'm saying, who excluded you within the Likud? They excluded
01:31:59you. They didn't exclude me within the Likud, but rather outside the Likud.
01:32:12I can tell you that we,
01:32:14as Sephardim, many times were excluded
01:32:18from many places, from positions. And I will remind
01:32:21you, also from the position of CEO
01:32:24of the Ministry of Science. No, no, no. They didn't like
01:32:28the idea that Osnat Mark Adri, who came from Ofakim, would be
01:32:31CEO.
01:33:32this state, how he will manage it, what his ideology
01:33:35will be, what his clear doctrine will be
01:33:39in security, in economy, in the essential matters for the state
01:33:43of Israel. But these are precisely people in the Likud.
01:35:54No one in the civil service disqualified me. I withdrew my
01:35:58candidacy. Why? Because I understood that I had
01:36:01no chance to pass the committee with them. Who are "them"?
01:36:05This is the whole junta,
01:36:08that arranged the choir. Now we will talk about
01:36:11other things you want to talk about.
01:36:15is launching a party today. Do you, Osnat, see this as successful? What
01:36:19can I tell you? He won't pass the electoral threshold.
01:36:21I think Gilad is making a mistake.
01:36:25He grew up within the Likud. I think he should have stayed
01:36:29within the Likud. I think these are votes that are really
01:36:33hurting the right-wing bloc. And I am sure
01:36:36that Gilad
01:36:38will eventually understand that there is no chance that such a
01:36:42party will pass the electoral threshold. And therefore, I
01:36:45think Gilad should have stayed within the Likud and not
01:36:48hindered the right-wing bloc right now, and he will understand this
01:36:51in the end. Do you think he should be reserved
01:36:54in the Likud? No. So,
01:36:57that's it. So, the taste of the elections, from the Likud's perspective, no, no, I'll tell
01:37:01you why. I'll tell you why he doesn't need to be reserved. Whoever is confident
01:37:05in his actions and whoever is confident in his abilities
01:37:07should do a primary and compete. But
01:37:10Prime Minister Netanyahu wants to reserve. And others,
01:37:14he is reserving other people who are not,
01:37:17Oh, now, people who were not
01:37:20within, people who were never within the Likud,
01:37:24and not people who we, that Gilad Erdan has many
01:37:27merits, he was in, he was as ambassador
01:37:31to the UN, did an excellent job, was a minister in several governments,
01:37:34I think Gilad Erdan could
01:37:37have added to the Likud, but
01:37:41once you go and establish a party, which in the end, you, that's what they
01:37:45say, that they are not going to boycott Netanyahu and so on, so if
01:37:48you are not going to boycott Netanyahu, and you know
01:37:51that these votes will not bring you to a situation of passing
01:37:55the electoral threshold, it's a shame, it hurts the right-wing
01:37:58bloc. Okay, Yoram is back
01:38:01with us. I want to talk about
01:38:05the opposition for a moment. We hear Liberman telling Yair Golan that he needs
01:38:07to shut up a bit, because he is harming efforts to move people
01:38:11from the right to the center. What do you think about
01:38:15this conduct of the opposition bloc that is starting to badmouth
01:38:18too much from within? First of all, I really suggest listening
01:38:22to Avigdor Liberman. Avigdor Liberman is a very experienced man. I think he is the only
01:38:26one who has gone through all the positions, from CEO
01:38:29of the Prime Minister's Office to Minister of Finance, Minister of Defense,
01:38:33Minister of Foreign Affairs. There is no position he hasn't held in the government, a Knesset member. He knows
01:38:37Israeli politics. I definitely tend to agree with him, and I
01:38:40think that Avigdor Liberman is really doing
01:38:44something crazy here. I see the people joining him.
01:38:47This morning, Knesset member Dan Illouz from the Likud announced that he is joining
01:38:51him. Yesterday, Lilli Ben Ami, who founded the Sala Forum,
01:38:54a social activist, who is doing a wonderful job. And I see
01:38:58that more and more people are joining
01:39:00Liberman, and I think that the question is whether it's not smarter, friends,
01:39:04Yoram, the question is why
01:39:07shut up? Why is he telling him to shut up? Why is he telling him
01:39:10to shut up? What, so the public won't know who Yair Golan is? Let the public
01:39:14know who Yair Golan is. Listen, I want to tell you
01:39:17something. The public knows who Yair Golan is, and the public will eventually
01:39:21go vote, and he will decide if he knows Yair Golan or
01:39:24not. Liberman says in election
01:39:28campaigns, sometimes it's better, you know, my father always used to say, a closed
01:39:32mouth no flies enter. It's often
01:39:35better, even in politics,
01:39:38and Mrs. Osnat Mark knows this from Likud campaigns, that not once are they called and told,
01:39:42"Guys, shut up, you're hurting us."
01:39:46Right now. Okay.
01:39:48Friends,
01:39:51thank you very much, we'll talk next
01:39:53week.
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01:40:32We'll be right back with Chen Liberman and Gili
01:40:36Cohen here on Channel 2
01:40:39News.
01:43:47here, Gili, and right now, the Jerusalem District Court
01:43:51is holding a hearing on the appeal against
01:43:54the decision of the military court of appeals in Judea and Samaria
01:43:57regarding the administrative detainee, Tal Inon Dardik, which is actually
01:44:01the event at the base of the dispute between Major General
01:44:05of the Central Command Avi Blot and Defense Minister Israel,
01:44:08supposedly part. A force that devolved
01:44:11into this semi-dismissal
01:44:14live on air on Patriots on Channel
01:44:1614, but what we want to understand is what are
01:44:20the suspicions, what is the event
01:44:23in which that same Tal Inon Dardik is allegedly
01:44:26involved, and therefore Elior
01:44:30Levy is joining us now. Hello.
01:44:32Hello, friends, here. So we are talking about a big
01:44:36and significant event that mainly created a lot of noise in Israel, less so
01:44:40in the Palestinian Authority, about
01:44:43that attack that is allegedly attributed
01:44:46to Inon Dardik,
01:44:49in the village of Humsa, which is a village located
01:44:53in Judea and Samaria, more or less in the Neria area, for those
01:44:57who know. And we spoke with Suhaib
01:45:00Abu Al-Hashash from Khirbet Humsa,
01:45:04which is, ah, it's not even a village, it's a ruin
01:45:07located between the
01:45:11hills there. Many shacks, a very
01:45:14poor population. He talks about a large family of
01:45:1745 people, from children to
01:45:21elderly, and he describes to me
01:45:24the events of that night. Let's
01:45:25listen.
01:45:40of settlers arrived, there were dozens of them, they were armed
01:45:43with knives and pepper
01:45:46spray. And he tells me, the first thing they did was to break
01:45:50the solar energy system that produces electricity and the cameras
01:46:06all of us to one tent and we were tied up, the children and the women.
01:46:16He says here, they left all of us in one tent, gathered us while we were tied up, there were children and women there, and some of us were left
01:46:19tied up with no clothes on at all, completely naked.
01:46:23I ask him what he means by completely naked, and then he tells me about
01:46:27that severe sexual assault he suffered,
01:46:53And then they tied his penis with a plastic
01:46:57zip tie. At the same time, there were also two foreign
01:47:01female volunteers who came to visit the community. They also caught them,
01:47:04tied them up, and attacked them,
01:47:08so says Suhaib.
01:47:12These are truly difficult things.
01:47:14And by the way, I ask him in conclusion, Chen, you asked me to ask him
01:47:18if he received any compensation, so he tells me that no
01:47:21authority, no Israeli or Palestinian body came
01:47:25to us and offered us compensation for the damages
01:47:28and the livestock that was taken from us. He talks about 400
01:47:31head of livestock that disappeared, and to this day he has no idea
01:47:35where they are. And let's say that the reason that we are now
01:47:38listening to this man and talking about this terrible event
01:47:42is also because of the uproar that developed
01:47:45between the Commander of the Central Command, Avi Blot, and Defense Minister
01:47:49Katz, even though this is a shocking event that I really think should have
01:47:53been paid attention to a long time ago. But that's the dynamic of
01:47:56things. Thank you very much, Elior. Thank you,
01:48:00Gili. If you wanted to add something, just to say that Tal Inon Dardik is under
01:48:03house arrest. He is not in detention because there are no administrative detentions. This is
01:48:07administrative house arrest, and this is the dispute now, and that's why he is also
01:48:11on a hunger strike. A dispute that will probably continue. Commercials.
01:48:15We'll be right back with Chen Liberman and Gili
01:48:18Cohen here on Channel 2
01:48:21News. Tomorrow, in garlic, pepper and olive
01:48:25oil, the singer-songwriter and actress Noam
01:48:28Kleinstain will be my guest.
01:48:31Noam, I put some subtle hints
01:48:34here for the food you're going to get. Very
01:48:38subtle. Here's a lemon. Yes, what
01:48:42is called, tomorrow the answer is already
01:48:44inside.
01:48:46Who here feels like they love their bank? Hating is a tough
01:48:50emotion. They just take money from you. Wow, there's no reason. It could
01:48:53be zero. Not three shekels, not nine shekels.
01:48:57Zeros on current and savings accounts. If it doesn't
01:49:00go my way, it's the highway.
01:49:04I am aware of this and I blame myself for it. To say, I want zero, I want
01:49:08zero. They don't give easily. The competition in the banks
01:49:11starts
01:49:12now.
01:49:53Good, the best.
01:50:09The gardens, imagine, it's going to be honey.
01:50:12The new summer of 11
01:50:59Matan is here with us, hello. The thought that Yair Golan will be the next Defense Minister
01:51:03is an imaginary thought. It's not going to happen.
01:51:06And if that's the last thing they have left to do, to say that Yair Golan will be Defense Minister, that shows
01:51:10how little they have to say real things. Let them deal with the thought
01:51:14that Bennett is going to be Defense Minister or
01:51:17or that Lieberman is going to be Defense Minister. These are serious
01:51:20things. Gili,
01:51:31we are approaching the end, but I
01:51:44want
01:51:47to talk about a historic event in the Baltic Sea, a Polish swimmer who managed to cross
01:51:50from Sweden to Poland non-stop. And I identified with
01:51:54this story both because I am Polish and because I love swimming in the sea, but my maximum
01:51:58was two kilometers and that's not the story here. We will talk with
01:52:01Anastasia Gorbenko, an Olympic swimmer and world runner-up. Hello,
01:52:05hello, good morning. How are you? We are
01:52:08fine. How is the Polish swimmer
01:52:12Bartłomiej Kubkowski? You see him coming out
01:52:15of the Baltic Sea after swimming for 55
01:52:19hours. Explain to us what is required of a person
01:52:22to do something like this? I
01:52:25wish I knew. I don't think I alone would be able to do something
01:52:29like this. I think it requires a lot of mental strength,
01:52:32a lot of physical strength, obviously, but I think a lot of it is linked
01:52:36to the mind. Because what do you think about for 56
01:52:39hours alone with yourself? When does it end?
01:52:43Yes, I know. If that's the thought, I don't think you can go
01:52:46far. Yes, you think that's really the significant
01:52:49challenge, meaning the thought. Maybe
01:52:53this boredom over time? Yes,
01:52:57it's either that or, for example, I don't know, there are definitely
01:53:00problems along the way, so how does he deal with them, and what
01:53:04is the first thought that comes to his mind, because, like, you can't be negative
01:53:07in my opinion in this situation, and obviously
01:53:10the grueling physical training he has to go through for
01:53:13this, but you mean it's 55 hours that he's
01:53:17swimming non-stop? How
01:53:21does he eat? How does he drink? He can drink
01:53:24along the way. These are things that people don't
01:53:28really understand and don't take into account when they read it, in my opinion.
01:53:32So, we hear between the lines, Anastasia, that you're not planning something
01:53:35like this. No, I don't
01:53:38think so. What do you think about when you're swimming?
01:53:42About all sorts of things, about the things that happened to me during the day, about, like, things
01:53:46I need to do, but I can say that my best workouts are when I don't
01:53:50think and I just think only about
01:53:53the performance itself, and that's also about the competition.
01:53:57The swimmers, and I don't think that for 56 hours you can not
01:54:00think at all, but, but again, take us for a moment to what
01:54:04it's supposed to look like. Meaning, he swims, we said, 160
01:54:07kilometers, 55 hours, he has to keep swimming. At most, he
01:54:11can drink while floating on his back. How, how does he
01:54:15do it? Yes, I think he does it by turning on his back and continuing
01:54:19to swim, and the same thing can be done with gels.
01:59:47Hello everyone and good morning.
02:00:19It's 10 o'clock now. We have a news update.
02:00:23The funeral times have been published for two IDF soldiers who fell yesterday
02:00:26in an explosive device blast in southern Lebanon. Major
02:00:29(res.) Harel Birnstock, a company commander in Battalion 285 of the
02:00:32spearhead formation, 34 years old, from Nokdim.
02:00:35His funeral will be at 12:00 PM
02:00:38at the military cemetery in Beer Etzel.
02:00:42Sergeant Major (res.) Tamir Vaknin, also a soldier in Battalion
02:00:452855. Of the spearhead formation, 33
02:00:49years old, from Eilat. His funeral will be at 7:20 PM
02:00:53this evening at the military cemetery in his city, Eilat.
02:00:56May their memory be blessed. In the incident in which they fell.