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00:00:00Kan's new summer 11
00:00:02soon. Okay, Kave, what's that called, lessons,
00:00:19hello and good morning. Now, we're with the news
00:00:22update. The funeral dates of two IDF soldiers
00:00:26who fell yesterday in a bomb explosion in southern Lebanon were published. Major in the
00:00:34Spearhead formation, 34 years old, from Nukedim
00:00:37Yuval Noach, at 12:00 PM at the military cemetery
00:00:40in Arcel. Staff Sergeant (res.) Tamir Vaknin,
00:00:44also a combat soldier in Battalion 2855, Spearhead
00:00:47formation, 33 years old, from Eilat, Yuval with
00:00:51Noach, at 7:20 PM tonight at the military
00:00:54cemetery in Eilat. May their memory be blessed.
00:00:58In the incident where Harel and Tamir fell, four reserve
00:01:01soldiers were seriously injured. The incident occurred yesterday at around
00:01:0512:00 PM in the village of Machdalzun, which is located inside
00:01:09the Israeli security strip. Reserve
00:01:12paratroopers, guarding engineering works, entered a building
00:01:16that turned out to be booby-trapped and were hit
00:01:18by a bomb explosion. The IDF has controlled the area where the incident
00:01:22occurred for a long time, and the army says that Hezbollah violated
00:01:25the agreements on the ceasefire, although it is not clear when the bomb was placed.
00:01:29המטען.
00:01:31The body of a missing person was found this morning in the area of Miklaf Yarkon during
00:01:35the search for the missing Eldar Dean Dayan, a 23-year-old resident of Dimona,
00:01:39was last seen in the Petach Tikva area 19
00:01:42days ago. Adas Greenberg, our reporter, joins us now.
00:01:45The police are not saying that it is Dayan. What are they saying
00:01:48now? Right. First of all, we need to be very careful.
00:01:52Yonatan, they still don't know whose body was found here
00:01:55in the area, at the scene near Petach Tikva. There were searches
00:01:59this morning. It's a difficult scene. Yes, a body
00:02:02in an advanced state of decomposition. The findings were collected just a few
00:02:05moments ago. They finished the work here at the scene,
00:02:08and as mentioned, the body is being sent to the Institute for Forensic Medicine
00:02:11in Abu Kabir to perform the identification
00:02:15of the body. Eldar Dean's mother is here
00:02:18and arrived at the scene after she saw the morning searches, and the family was not
00:02:22informed by the police that there was any body found in the Petach
00:02:26Tikva area. She screamed at the police officers
00:02:29when she was asked to enter the scene.
00:02:33She screamed at the police officers, telling them, "Give me my child."
00:02:36The family is still
00:02:39gathered here, as you can understand, in a very difficult and sensitive situation
00:02:43they are in. We have been without him for over two and a half
00:02:47weeks, missing. The bottom line is that at the moment,
00:02:49the operations at the scene
00:02:53have ended, and when the identity of
00:02:56that body is known, we will, of course,
00:03:01it's the second murder in the Arab community within
00:03:0412 hours.
00:03:07In Muqibileh, Aiman Gama, 20 years old, was murdered.
00:03:10An unknown assailant shot him at his doorstep, apparently
00:03:13due to an ongoing conflict between families in the village
00:03:17of Emek Yizrael. Last night, Abu Bazid
00:03:20from Sarah, a 57-year-old resident of Tira, was shot to death
00:03:24in his car. His wife was murdered about a year ago.
00:03:27Since the beginning of the year, 160 people in the Arab
00:03:31community have been murdered. Now to the zigzag of the Ministry
00:03:34of Education, where it was discovered that millions of shekels transferred to daycare centers in the ultra-Orthodox
00:03:38sector did not reach the people. After the discovery,
00:03:41the Ministry decided to deduct the budgets, but now
00:03:44they are retracting. Liran Khodinoff, our education correspondent,
00:03:48is here with the details. Hello, Yonatan. Two years ago,
00:03:51during your audit, the Ministry of Education discovered that dozens of supervised ultra-Orthodox
00:03:55daycare centers did not pay the retention grant that the state
00:03:58gave them. And the money apparently went
00:04:02to the daycare center's coffers. The state is now demanding to deduct millions
00:04:06of shekels from those daycare centers that did not pay their assistants, but the Director General
00:04:09of the Ministry of Education, Meir Shimoni, is now asking the state
00:04:13to waive the fees for those ultra-Orthodox daycare centers due to fears
00:04:16that they will collapse. The early childhood sector is already collapsing, and ironically,
00:04:20daycare centers that did pay the money, like WIZO and Na'amat
00:04:23and Emunah, are not in the picture because they did pay
00:04:26their assistants. So what are they saying about this at the Ministry of Education?
00:04:38Thank you, Liran.
00:04:41And that's it, that's our news update for this hour. Now, with Yigal Goota
00:04:44and Sharon Dudovich, here's the news on Channel B'. Our next update
00:04:48is at 11
00:06:39Depressing because two reserve soldiers fell yesterday.
00:06:52We also need to remember them, because they are now starting, I don't know the extent
00:06:55of the injury, but whoever was seriously injured is also starting
00:06:59a new life in this sense. And you
00:07:02know,
00:07:04thank God, for quite a few days there hasn't been such a thing
00:07:07and there haven't been casualties in Lebanon.
00:07:11To our great sorrow.
00:07:16No, but to our great sorrow, we said when they talked about a peace agreement with Lebanon, we said that same
00:07:20day, we didn't understand that peace agreements are made with enemies or
00:07:24with someone you have nothing to do with. But where is the solution for
00:07:26Hezbollah? Nothing came out and you will see that in a short time
00:07:30something will emerge here, there will be no peace, just like there was never peace.
00:07:34And now, to our sorrow, it is attacking us
00:07:37again. And whoever truly lives this, and the truth
00:07:41is that for a few weeks, in this sense, we didn't talk to him because it was quiet,
00:07:45and we also enjoyed the quiet. That's our correspondent in the North,
00:07:48and even when we talked to him, we talked to him about the recovery of
00:07:51the guest houses in the North. What's happening? Are people hiking or not hiking?
00:07:54Right. So here we are calling him
00:07:58back to the flag. Good morning to our correspondent in the North, Rubi Amar
00:08:01Shaleg. Hello, friends. So you,
00:08:04geographically, live relatively
00:08:07far from, of course, everything in terms of the North, but relatively far
00:08:11from the incident that happened yesterday, because it happened in the Western Galilee,
00:08:15I understand, and you live
00:08:18much further east from there, right?
00:08:21And everyone who lives in the area of the confrontation line hears
00:08:24the explosions and the shooting. There's daily activity. Even
00:08:28the IDF Spokesperson issues statements about the destruction of infrastructure and
00:08:32attacks. These things happen on a daily basis, so it doesn't
00:08:35really matter. The specific incident at the end
00:08:38of the week was the destruction of the complex in
00:08:42Beaufort. Those who live in the eastern area felt it
00:08:45more. Yesterday, a guided missile was also fired by mistake in the Western Galilee.
00:08:49That is to say, there are always events, always explosions that remind
00:08:53us that peace has not broken out in our lives. On the other hand, we live
00:08:56a full routine, there are no special instructions for residents.
00:09:00Yesterday evening, very large events were held
00:09:04in Kiryat Shmona and the area.
00:09:07There is a long list of events throughout August in the communities along the
00:09:10confrontation line, in an attempt to bring in as many hikers as possible
00:09:14from outside. You can define this as strengthening, but for me, it's
00:09:18coming to enjoy the North. So there's a certain tension
00:09:21between explosions and fighting on one side, beyond
00:09:25the border, something that is heard well here, and on the other hand,
00:09:29an attempt to really maintain some routine of life
00:09:31and normalcy and sanity, as much as possible. And on the third side, every
00:09:35such escalation causes
00:09:38people to be on edge again.
00:09:42Yes. And I think one of the things that causes a lot
00:09:45of concerns is that it will, of course, affect the economy. We
00:09:49are in a period between seasons, a period when
00:09:52mainly the Haredi public goes out to hike, goes out
00:09:55to vacation, and this really drives the economy in the Upper
00:09:59Galilee and the Western Galilee. And every
00:10:02such news, of course, can stop the visitors
00:10:05from coming to vacation in these areas.
00:10:09Uh, you know, first of all, of course, to wish health
00:10:13and security to IDF soldiers, but every
00:10:17such thing really has an impact on many people. And you know, I have to
00:10:20say in one sentence, I travel a lot in other areas of the country, Tel Aviv.
00:10:27And it's amazing, this gap, how much they don't understand this
00:10:30reality. We are not in a daily war, as
00:10:34it was until a few weeks ago, but we receive
00:10:37daily reminders, and I am happy to see that in other places in the country
00:10:40there is no trace of it. Yes, and on the other hand, you
00:10:44are not really happy that we don't really understand what
00:10:48is happening and that we need to explain it again and again. When you meet soldiers, both
00:10:51reserve soldiers and regular soldiers, I imagine that they go in and out.
00:10:55And you try to understand from them what is happening there. What do they tell
00:10:58you?
00:11:01From what we understand, they are mainly busy
00:11:05with fortification. There are not too many offensive
00:11:08initiatives. Here and there, they go out to destroy infrastructure, which is also what
00:11:11happened yesterday, as I understand, in the very, very difficult incident
00:11:15in which two reserve soldiers fell. Most
00:11:18of the activity is to establish themselves in the yellow line area, to ensure
00:11:22that Hezbollah terrorists do not return, regroup,
00:11:26and in many cases, the hands of IDF soldiers are tied. And in this context,
00:11:30I must, it is impossible to ignore the very serious incident
00:11:33that happened yesterday in the area of the village of Rajar, when 15
00:11:36young people, mainly girls from the movement that calls
00:11:39itself "Ori Tzafon", at a time when the IDF is at the height of its defense
00:11:43and attacks in southern Lebanon, although in a slightly different sector in the area
00:11:46of Rajar, they decided that this was the best time to
00:11:50cut the border fence and cross into Lebanon
00:11:53to encourage Jewish return to Lebanon. And this is something
00:11:56that greatly occupies the IDF and the security forces. And the law enforcement
00:12:00system is unable to stop it, neither
00:12:03at the Lebanese border nor in the Golan Heights, where there is the "Pioneers of the Bashan"
00:12:07organization. This is a phenomenon that repeats itself. You can
00:12:10agree with them or not agree with them, but this activity is contrary
00:12:14to the law. Correct. It's important that you mentioned that. We just talked about
00:12:17it this morning with one of the security system officials
00:12:21whom we invited to speak on the program. He talked about this and about
00:12:25the fact that this is really, really the worst time
00:12:28to do such a thing. Ruby Amarsheleg, thank you very, very much.
00:12:32Thank you, friends. And we say good morning
00:12:35to Lieutenant Colonel (res.) Nadav Kaminer.
00:12:38Allan, good morning. Kibbutz Hanita member and security consultant,
00:12:42so the incident, Nadav, that happened yesterday
00:12:45calls? How far from
00:12:47you?
00:12:50It's indeed in the Western Galilee or in the western part of
00:12:53Lebanon, but it's several good kilometers
00:12:57away. Uh, but unfortunately, the guys
00:13:00who were killed were in the company that held
00:13:04the line in our sector until a week ago.
00:13:06Uh, so from here I also want to say
00:13:10to the families, my condolences and also recovery
00:13:13to the injured. A difficult
00:13:15incident that illustrates that we still
00:13:19need to do work there,
00:13:22and on the other hand, these guys protect the civilians.
00:13:26In the confrontation line. When you say "holding the line in our
00:13:29sector," how is that, how is that connected
00:13:32to you, to the residents, to the civilians? So,
00:13:36first of all, they are present. That is, we have an outpost that is located right
00:13:40above the kibbutz, and there are outposts located nearby,
00:13:43very close and on the way to the kibbutz.
00:13:47They are physically with us. You really see the forces also moving around inside
00:13:51the kibbutz. We also, I am a member of the emergency squad, so our security officer,
00:13:56we conduct joint drills with them for an event, in case
00:13:59there is a security event that requires us to join forces
00:14:03with each other. They conduct patrols with us in the kibbutz. We see them on
00:14:06the line, on the fence itself, moving around,
00:14:08patrolling. Uh, there is close cooperation, there are
00:14:12good friendly relations and very close cooperation with these forces. Did you get
00:14:16to know Harel Bernstein and Tamir Vaknin personally? Not
00:14:20on a personal level, because they rotate once a month. Our security officer
00:14:24is in more frequent contact, almost daily. We,
00:14:28the team members themselves and the kibbutz residents, less often meet
00:14:31with them daily, every time it's a different
00:14:35force that arrives. So I didn't get to meet them personally, but they were
00:14:38in the kibbutz quite a few times, and when you talk to these reservists
00:14:41who also defend you directly, of course, and also
00:14:45us who are in the center
00:14:48indirectly, uh, who are these
00:14:51people? What do you feel about their motivation?
00:14:55About their hardships? First
00:14:58of all, I feel that they don't really
00:15:00let us feel their hardships. They mostly, to us residents and also
00:15:04as friends, because in the end we also do reserve duty as an emergency squad. I also do reserve duty in the navy,
00:15:08and in the end, you feel that they come with a kind
00:15:11of mission with a lot of motivation to do and to help
00:15:15and to be there for us. But
00:15:18uh, between
00:15:21the lines, you understand the difficulty of the burden there is.
00:15:26Such a number of reserve days, and they already
00:15:29know that they will be facing more hardship in a few months.
00:15:33And that makes it very difficult. Some of them are family people with businesses. So
00:15:37you understand this difficulty, but they don't make you feel uncomfortable. That is,
00:15:41they tell you, "Listen, we are here really, really to
00:15:44protect you residents, and we will do everything to keep you
00:15:47safe." But you see the hardship between the lines, you see
00:15:50the burden that falls on them. Listen, they have been for three years,
00:15:54listen, there are people with 700 reserve days in the last three years. That means that just because they don't tell you
00:15:58that they are in distress, it doesn't mean that they are not in distress.
00:16:02Correct. For Zev, yes, what, what
00:16:05do you know about yesterday's incident?
00:16:08There are no details beyond what was published. We have no details.
00:16:12Ah, but I understand,
00:16:15like I think what was published, we kind of went through some kind of sweep
00:16:18here. I understand that they were on a patrol
00:16:21for the purpose of clearing and neutralizing
00:16:25buildings, or you know, to clear them,
00:16:28and there was some kind of explosive device there. I, like everyone else sees
00:16:32in the publications, it's unclear if it's something that was installed there
00:16:36or placed there after the ceasefire or before
00:16:39the ceasefire. I assume that when the IDF finishes investigating,
00:16:43then it will be published. Are you witnesses
00:16:45to such a thing? Can you hear explosions?
00:16:49Do you immediately understand, do you immediately understand that something happened in your
00:16:52sector? Look, there are several indications for that. First of all, there are always
00:16:56explosions, because the IDF is working very hard, blowing up tunnels and infrastructure there, and when it
00:17:00does that in the western area, in the western sector, then you
00:17:04hear it very well. Sometimes there are explosions that literally shake the windows.
00:17:08And the situation is very loud
00:17:12even. Uh, when there is an incident, there are other indications
00:17:15of evacuations, of helicopters. You immediately receive some
00:17:19responses and indications over the radio that something
00:17:22more complex probably happened. But there is always noise. That means the army
00:17:26is working very hard there and dealing with the infrastructure
00:17:28there, and you hear it, you hear it also
00:17:31here.
00:17:33And how, we just spoke with Rubi Amar Shaleg, our correspondent in the North, about
00:17:36the routine of life, how it looks for the people
00:17:40of the North compared to what is happening here. How
00:17:43does it look now that we already know, Guata and I felt
00:17:47that it's been relatively quiet for a few weeks, from what
00:17:50we can do in our daily lives? Is it a bit
00:17:54harder for you, or do you not do it at all? No, we, I
00:17:58want to tell you that we are forcing ourselves
00:18:01to return to a full routine.
00:18:04And in this full routine, we are...
00:18:15in the evening, do you go out normally? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Not Organ Ha'Arieh.
00:18:19In Hanita too there is a coffee shop, and in Hanita
00:18:22there is a visitors' center for a distillery, and there are activities on Friday
00:18:26afternoons. That's for the adults. How is the situation regarding
00:18:29the children? Normal, completely normal.
00:18:32Look, I won't tell you that we returned to some kind of euphoria and everything
00:18:35is rosy. We understand that we are in
00:18:37a sensitive situation, but we also trust the IDF immensely.
00:18:41In the end, the IDF is a buffer between us and the enemy. Yes, but
00:18:45we also trusted the IDF before and yet the situation was not good. I
00:18:48think, I think no, I agree
00:18:51with you. I think that everyone understood after the mistakes made three
00:18:55years ago and the failures that occurred in the South.
00:18:57I think the army completely changed its approach. I speak
00:19:01and meet the Battalion Commander who comes here and the Brigade Commander who comes
00:19:04here. We all, and you hear the
00:19:07pain they have that is not related to them personally, regarding what happened
00:19:11in the South. You hear the pain as military personnel
00:19:15and you see that they will do everything to prevent this from happening, simply everything.
00:19:18And I really trust them. Now, someone could try to infiltrate the tail
00:19:22of the forces, to try to infiltrate. For that, there is an emergency squad. For that, there is a full
00:19:25security or defense system of the IDF and emergency
00:19:29squads on the border. And we don't let that disturb our daily
00:19:32lives. We really, I tell people, come and visit, come
00:19:36to the bed and breakfasts, come to the cafes, And every now and then you hear explosions. I know it's
00:19:40not ideal, it's not Switzerland, but
00:19:42this is the State of Israel in a situation where you can enjoy
00:19:46the North. On the other hand, as a child born in Kiryat Shmona,
00:19:50you must not forget the children. And you know what, there are also adults. I have
00:19:53two sisters for whom this simply affected their lives,
00:19:57that even the explosions at night wake them up
00:20:00in Baalbek, and it's very difficult to return to a routine
00:20:03and very difficult to return to life, and there are children for whom these explosions truly
00:20:07truly affect their lives. And it's not
00:20:11pleasant, neither for the children nor for the parents. I mean, I don't
00:20:15like to say, most have gotten used to it, and indeed there are those for whom it affects
00:20:18them. There are those, by the way, who haven't returned. There are those who decided that they don't want this
00:20:22fear and this waiting and to see what will happen, who decided that it's less
00:20:26suitable. I totally understand them. We decided
00:20:28not to. And unfortunately, we have somewhat
00:20:31gotten used to this. Now, what do I mean by unfortunately? It's good that we got used to it, because otherwise you can't
00:20:35continue to be there. Uh, and the children have, yes, but just
00:20:39to, just to see the
00:20:42matter from a much harder
00:20:45angle, sometimes you can't get used to it because your child doesn't
00:20:48get used to it, right?
00:20:52Now, I'll say something else, I'm inserting praise here because I
00:20:56think that people who do things need to be told that they are doing good, not just to complain
00:20:59to them. Also, KKL, the KKL chairman,
00:21:03and also Dudovitch, the chairman of the council of the confrontation
00:21:06line communities, they bring shows
00:21:09and activities for the residents of the North, for all the confrontation
00:21:13line. We go to shows here in our sector. They have
00:21:16markets here, and every
00:21:20almost every there is something here, and you see
00:21:23that there are indeed bodies in the state. You can argue whether it's a government or not,
00:21:27but there are bodies. These are not state bodies, these are more ironic bodies, in my
00:21:31opinion. Local
00:21:33and here in our council, I take my hat off to him. Three years ago,
00:21:36when the war started, there were many complaints. Very good. Listen, he learned the lessons.
00:21:40He raised the council, all
00:21:43of the confrontation line communities. And KKL also gives money and also
00:21:46a goal here. And I tell you, they made it fun for us in the North. And
00:21:52since we can't just praise, because we Jews always like to have some criticism, I think the government
00:21:56should have been a little more in the North, that the government should have
00:22:00brought activities and shows and whatever was needed
00:22:03for the children. There is money, some money is allocated, it just doesn't
00:22:07always arrive or arrives too late
00:22:27General (res.) Oren Avman. Good
00:22:29morning. Former division commander and head of the doctrine and combat department
00:22:33in the ground forces, doctrine of combat in the ground
00:22:36forces. Ah, it should be said
00:22:38that, in your biography, it can also be said that you
00:22:42were called to the flag to command the most
00:22:45sensitive and dangerous outpost, the Beaufort outpost, near
00:22:48the withdrawal, and you also managed the last gate with the evacuation of forces
00:22:52from southern Lebanon in 2000. When you hear about such an incident
00:22:55yesterday, another difficult incident after a period of calm,
00:22:59you think, what?
00:23:01Uh, first of all, with your permission, I extend my condolences to the families of Harel
00:23:04Bateman, the commanders and fighters, my condolences also in regular service and also
00:23:08in the reserves. Not as a figure of speech but as a practical
00:23:12matter, especially since October 7th, it is much
00:23:15more than the silver platter for the entire Israeli
00:23:17society.
00:23:20Uh, you know, I heard a bit of the conversation with
00:23:23Nadav from Hanita, and I'm just struck by the optimism
00:23:27and the half-full glass that exists
00:23:30here in the North. I am also a resident of the North and I am connected to this
00:23:33place, but here the government of
00:23:36Israel is in a strategy of putting out fires, and what is happening
00:23:40in Lebanon, I fear that we are going to return
00:23:44to the reality we had in the 90s, the older ones remember
00:23:47this.
00:24:20Of course, we'll talk about the incident soon, because it causes decision-makers
00:24:23not to make decisions, and in the end they create an improvised
00:24:27reality in a kind of security
00:24:30strip
00:24:33in Lebanon, and they are trying to create the reality of
00:24:36that yellow line in an area that is 120
00:24:39kilometers. The security strip is 15 kilometers, 45
00:24:42kilometers north of it. It is 120 kilometers of difficult
00:24:45mountainous terrain. But Brigadier General Oren Avman, the deceptive
00:24:49calm that you are talking about is actually again the mentioned
00:24:52containment that we experienced in the last 20 years. So what, what
00:24:56lessons did we learn from October 7th? So that's exactly
00:25:00the point. The point is that first of all, the strategy that should guide
00:25:03the actions of Israel
00:25:06and consequently, of course, all the combat sectors, is
00:25:10that October 7th should be before our eyes as a huge
00:25:13inscription. We do not transfer responsibility to anyone, regarding what is happening
00:25:17in the South. We must not
00:25:20ignore the capability
00:25:23that develops two and a half meters from Kibbutz Hanita or from Metulla or from Kiryat
00:25:27Shmona, where you grew up. And there is
00:25:31no situation in which we will privatize the responsibility of the IDF
00:25:35and allow the enemy any capability to reach such a situation, because if
00:25:38on October 7th there was an incident
00:25:41similar to what happened in the South, our situation would have been
00:25:45very, very bad, and in my humble opinion, I don't know
00:25:48if it's luck.
00:25:51The privilege to be a partner, that within less than 24 hours there will be 60,000
00:25:55people in the northern region. But on the morning of October 7th,
00:25:58a different reality could have developed here. So it's not related.
00:26:32Tell me, what else can be done? You
00:26:34know, we also carried out operations that were
00:26:38intelligence operations,
00:26:41warning operations, like the pager operation, other
00:26:44operations. We entered on foot, we bombed
00:26:48from the air. What else can be done? It's possible
00:26:51that this is a reality that is imposed on us. If we want the enemy not to approach
00:26:55the border line, we need to be there for such
00:26:59a stay. Naturally, there is a price for that. Just like you
00:27:03in the 90s, we thought it was over, but it's not. What else can be done? We just made a mistake
00:27:07by not continuing the first round, when they were really, really on the ropes, and everyone
00:27:11said they were really flat, and we stopped, and now we let them
00:27:15reorganize. Yes, so let's try to analyze. We can
00:27:19also discuss the last three years and also history, but let's talk about the reality
00:27:22in August 2026, the strategic reality of the State of Israel.
00:27:26One, after Hizbollah, we will look at the half-full glass.
00:27:29Hizbollah is not in the place it was on October 7th,
00:27:332023. It is an organization that the IDF
00:27:36and other security forces severely damaged.
00:27:39But it has become a terrorist organization with
00:27:43medium-range capabilities that has. And by the way,
00:27:46that's a question that will be asked if one day a state inquiry
00:27:50commission is established here. We must not focus only on the South. We need
00:27:53to ask what happened here. Let's talk about what happened from 2006 to
00:27:562026. How did we create this reality
00:28:00we have.
00:28:12And everything you said about the two shifts that took place in 2020 and late
00:28:152023, also 2024. These shifts
00:28:18created a completely different reality. But now we need to develop a security
00:28:21concept. In a security concept, there are many components. One, how
00:28:25does the border line look? Two, what is the meaning of the security zone? Do
00:28:29we need the stay in 200'.
00:28:3226, similar to, for example, 2000 or 99, a physical
00:28:36stay in various fortified outposts in the area
00:28:39physically, or will we create intelligence dominance? If today they have drones
00:28:43and missiles and many other things, and if there is intelligence, we
00:28:46will also carry out commando raids or other operations. And therefore, we can
00:28:50create the security zone, not the security strip, a very, very
00:28:53effective security zone in combat
00:28:56intelligence, in observation, in raids, in closing
00:28:59fire circles. Now, what will happen if not? What will happen
00:29:03The reality begins to dictate things and slowly we will reach
00:29:07an event like yesterday, an event like 10
00:29:10days ago, and two more helicopters arriving at Rambam and so on.
00:29:14And in the end, someone else will make the decision. So why is the IDF struggling to stay
00:29:17in the field? You, Ro'em, are saying that it is possible to control this area intelligently, even
00:29:21this area. Today there are means, you know, they
00:29:24don't end regarding control over an area from a distance. Why are we insisting
00:29:28on returning to the same situation of the 80s and 90s and staying in the field?
00:29:33I think and I'm saying
00:29:36this, I'm a bit cynical about
00:29:39this. I think that the IDF is not insisting on
00:29:42this, but rather they are creating
00:29:45some kind of spin, like you know, Susbi and Abofor
00:29:49and the conquest of Abofor. Exactly, you have already in the past argued that a tactical
00:29:52conquest of an area like Abofor sometimes, you know, covered up a much wider
00:29:56strategic lack of options. Exactly, there is no
00:29:59strategic answer that we are debating.
00:30:11He really is amazing, but we need to stand and salute him every minute. Given amazing soldiers,
00:30:14an amazing army, but decision-makers no, no, no, I'm talking about
00:30:17the second part of the sentence, he's stretched to his limits
00:30:20in terms of strategy. You see, everyone who lived through
00:30:23the reserves, the reserve hall, now I'm living it myself, and
00:30:27I'm not a child anymore, and I'm living it through four children,
00:30:31and I tell you.
00:31:03There's something incredible here, when I say at the end, the outburst, it's
00:31:06like a complete , complete
00:31:09disregard for the situation. Now we can talk, let's conquer all the way
00:31:13to Lebanon, let's conquer Syria.
00:31:17The tip of this spear called Israel's security,
00:31:20this tip, is already starting to be, it's still sharp,
00:31:24it's strong, but it's starting to be very dark. But wait, in
00:31:27my opinion, we have a much harder problem than before. We keep
00:31:30saying, are we going back to the situation of October 7th
00:31:34and the stories, when
00:31:37in the past
00:31:39we might have contained more, contained less, but we could still
00:31:43make decisions. Today we're not even making decisions
00:31:47in this area. Right, so exactly, that's exactly the point, you're
00:31:50holding the bull by its horns, because what am I saying? There's a reality
00:31:54now that strategically the government brought it about, but let's not talk politics
00:31:58at all here, let's talk facts now, it doesn't matter who's from the left, who's from the right, all these manipulations
00:32:02of an election year. In this strategy, we're not making
00:32:05decisions, and when decisions aren't made, the one who pays the price
00:32:09is the Manaf and the obligation that enters an area for a scan
00:32:123,828 of them there. And therefore we have exhausted
00:32:16the maneuver, we have exhausted the destruction of the infrastructure. And what is happening
00:32:19to you, by the way, and you were a soldier in these
00:32:22situations, not just an officer, and also a young
00:32:26officer, what happens to the
00:32:28field level in such a situation? I'll tell you what happens, let's
00:32:32talk on the national level, on a personal level, I wanted to
00:32:35ask, I'm saying, no, what influences the personal level? I'm saying,
00:32:39but there are two parallel universes here. In the first
00:32:42universe, a person gets up, puts on his uniform, kisses his four
00:32:45children, leaves his workplace, goes for 90
00:32:48days to a dangerous place and serves this country, and he has
00:32:52tremendous responsibility to his soldiers in an insane
00:32:55way. In this universe, this is the universe that holds the State of Israel, in the parallel
00:32:59universe, there are all sorts of bored people who go to the border
00:33:03to cut a fence with pliers and make some kind of "Hasamba" of
00:33:06bored people, Haredim who block the road every quarter
00:33:10hour and shout "Nazis" at soldiers. How do you think this
00:33:13affects the...?
00:33:21In 2000 there was no internet yet. Today everyone with their
00:33:24device reads the push notifications, looks at Twitter, sees what's happening everywhere,
00:33:28and he says, listen, what is going on here?
00:33:32We are here risking our lives at a very,
00:33:35very heavy personal and family price, and in the meantime
00:33:39they are giving money to them and distributing
00:33:42and generally
00:33:44this. Strategic vertigo,
00:34:07Why? Let's go back a bit, 50 years ago, the Yom
00:34:10Kippur War, October '73,
00:34:13a tragedy, what they did was crazy. to us and all
00:34:16the systems
00:34:19operate again and try to say it won't happen
00:34:22again and it will happen again and we'll do this and we'll do that. A few months
00:34:25later in April '74, a terrorist
00:34:28infiltration in Kiryat Shmona, they murder a whole
00:34:31building and no one understands how this happened. This was
00:34:35a few months, you understand, from October to April, half
00:34:38a year, and they shouted then, how did they not learn a lesson? How did they not learn a lesson
00:34:42half a year ago it was Yom Kippur and I think that. Unfortunately,
00:34:46we suffer from the disease of forgetfulness.
00:34:49I, I, I and the fighters and the commanders of the current generation, I
00:34:53don't think that the October 7th , that terrible day,
00:34:56no one, anyone who has ever, and you
00:34:59among them, worn on his left chest, the
00:35:03shirt that says "Israel Defense Forces", the Israel Defense Forces
00:35:06failed on October 7th. They took our citizens, children,
00:35:10women from their beds, and abducted them to Gaza,
00:35:13and over 20 people were killed.
00:35:16We must never forget this event, and there are those who try to make us forget
00:35:20it. This is, to my sorrow, that I say, we didn't investigate it,
00:35:23three years later we didn't investigate this event, this
00:35:27is our failure, because we have so much to learn
00:35:30strategically, systemically, tactically, how to build the IDF now a generation
00:35:34ahead, what is the meaning of the reserve army, this army is too
00:35:37small for its missions, how do we maintain this monster
00:35:41with 40,000 permanent staff, something in 30 seconds because we really don't have
00:35:50time you know
00:35:53in fact these soldiers
00:35:56from the paratroopers basically entered a built-up area, this is the operation they
00:35:59carried out, and in the end you go into a built-up area,
00:36:02you understand that it's booby-trapped, so
00:36:06how do we end up falling into something like this? How does this happen? It's not fair to say this
00:36:10to them, I'm not, no, no, no, I'm not claiming all
00:36:13the houses there are booby-trapped. I 'm just saying in 30 seconds I'll say one
00:36:16thing, ah, I need
00:36:20to conduct a real strategic assessment,
00:36:24clean, that also includes the enemy, also the ground, and also the.
00:36:28And make decisions. What is the defense concept? Not yet
00:36:32security, God forbid, I'm not asking, not high-level matters. What is the defense concept
00:36:36on our borders? What is the defense concept in Judea and Samaria?
00:36:39How is it done? And mainly, who does it? In
00:36:42light of the crazy human limitations of
00:36:46manpower resources, equipment,
00:36:48and inventory.
00:36:51Yes, Major General (res.). One first. Because
00:36:55reality will dictate this to us. Yes. Letter from Major General (res.)
00:36:58Oren Avman, former commander of Dugda and head of the combat doctrine department in the Ground
00:37:02Forces. Thank you very much, and we, I believe, will talk
00:37:04again later. We just want to say that later in the program we have a special
00:37:08interview with the commander of the Paratroopers Brigade.
00:37:12And in the meantime, we also want to tell you that we invite you to listen to "Yad Hakatsa", the new
00:37:16daily current affairs podcast of Kan hosted by Keren Neubach, every day
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00:37:45was a very cool song, like the breakthrough is very simple to make a song
00:37:49only with stickers that will have
00:40:45for the primaries? Thank you, thank you Arie. How are you
00:40:47preparing? I know you have,
00:40:51I visit many voters
00:40:54at weddings, hand out gifts.
00:40:57Britot, I'm the Mohel at Britot, what do you
00:41:01know? Yes, exactly, I wanted to talk about the primaries, because I want to tell
00:41:05you, friends, that I very much understand Benjamin
00:41:07Netanyahu, that in his role as chairman
00:41:11of the Likud movement, that the list in the Knesset, as
00:41:15it represented the Likud in the 25th Knesset, doesn't look
00:41:18good to him, and he wants to bring in other faces,
00:41:21more charismatic
00:41:24for the voters, some of whom probably want to leave the Likud, voting.
00:41:27There are all kinds of parties between Dan Maki
00:41:30parties Yuli Edelstein, meaning
00:41:33Netanyahu understands that the list he had in this
00:41:36Knesset was not optimal and he wants to improve and I.
00:41:40I always remember democracy,
00:41:42elections, there are a lot of businesses and people
00:41:46joining family members and people paying for other people, and there
00:41:50are group leaders there, and they also close all kinds of jobs
00:41:53along the way.
00:41:56Not like that, democracy is not running wild there, and I start
00:41:59remembering that there was once on that historical map of
00:42:03the 50s and 60s, there was one man whose name was Shrag
00:42:07HaNatzar, Shrag HaNatzar was not a Knesset member. His
00:42:11highest official position he reached was chairman of the committee of
00:42:14sanitation workers in the Tel Aviv municipality.
00:42:18However, he was strong, he was very close, he was so strong, the strongest man
00:42:21in Mapai, he was very close to Ben-Gurion. They knew that what Shrag HaNatzar
00:42:25said, he did. This was from the horse's mouth, this was from Ben-Gurion. Now,
00:42:29before elections, Shrag HaNatzar would sit, I think, at Cafe Batya in Tel
00:42:33Aviv and compose the list. He was a one-man organizing committee.
00:42:36He would simply compose the list for Mapai.
00:43:53But in the end, in the end, it could be that I understand
00:43:56Netanyahu when he says I will compile, I will sit, I will compile
00:43:59a list, I know how to choose the people, those who were
00:44:02some of them I don't want to see anymore, we'll bring others. Only
00:44:06one question remains, Arie Golan, you brought the list.
00:44:16No, this time he really wants to arrange it himself, he asked for a lot
00:44:19of reserved spots, he tried to bring people through here,
00:44:23through there, he's trying to change, in this
00:44:26matter, I understand him, in this matter I understand,
00:44:30the list that was there is not the best that the Likud movement, which was really
00:44:34a very glorious movement, could give and present to the public, and I think
00:44:38that in general this is this is due.
00:44:41from three points, first of all we need to talk about one point which is a problem
00:44:44for him, that the reserved spots are not really
00:44:47working out for him, people he wanted to bring don't really want
00:44:50to come. They refuse, yes, they don't want to come, so for now there is no
00:44:53here, this is one, this is how it goes, yes,
00:44:57but but but his great fear is two things
00:45:00actually, one, he wants to go after
00:45:04the disobedient Knesset members, and that way he'll have more control. Who are the disobedient
00:45:08ones, who are the disobedient ones? Danny Lous is no longer there, they
00:45:11resigned, he's out, Lous
00:45:14is out. Exhibiting
00:45:16attitudes, you don't remember him saying at the time about
00:45:20Mizrahim not working and such things, not on
00:45:24us, and in the end he went after him. He's proposing Gadi Eisenkot, he
00:45:28wants to see Eisenkot in Likud, did you hear that?
00:45:32Yes, there's a Moroccan issue here, I think, because
00:45:35David Amsalem is very aware of the
00:45:37religious issue.
00:45:39But
00:45:48but but the main thing is that he wants
00:45:51to take control of the list because he is deathly afraid
00:45:54of defectors after the elections. He has a deathly
00:45:58fear that they will do to him the act of Silman, which is the issue, certainly
00:46:01that too. He understands politics now because Guetta
00:46:05understands politics and was there, how do you get
00:46:08on the list?
00:46:47The editor is already telling us that time is up, but broadly speaking,
00:46:51there is no Council of Sages right now. In Shas, period, there isn't? There isn't,
00:46:54there's no unity, there's nothing, everyone does what's right in their own eyes,
00:46:57yes, in their own eyes they'll also do,
00:47:00I don't know, I didn't say that, but the Council doesn't lead a line and doesn't
00:47:04convene almost at all, it's interesting, because once it did, yes, it
00:56:19the meal,
00:58:16in the morning.
01:00:18Now we have a news update. The funeral dates
01:00:21for the two IDF soldiers who fell yesterday in an explosive device
01:00:24blast in southern Lebanon have been published. Major (res.) Harel Birenstock,
01:00:28company commander in Battalion 2855,
01:00:31Hod Hachanit Formation, 34 years old from Nukadim, will be buried
01:00:34in an hour at the military cemetery on Mount
01:00:37Herzl. Staff Sergeant Major (res.) Tamir Vaknin,
01:00:41fighter in Battalion 2855, Hod
01:00:43Hachanit Formation, 33 years old from Eilat, will be buried.
01:00:47at 7:20 PM tonight at the military cemetery in Eilat.
01:00:51May their memory be blessed. In the incident
01:00:54in which Harel and Tamir fell, four reserve soldiers
01:00:57were seriously injured. The incident occurred yesterday around 12
01:01:01PM in the village of Majdal Zoun which is located within the Israeli
01:01:04security zone in southern Lebanon. Reserve paratroopers
01:01:08who were securing engineering work, entered
01:01:11a building that turned out to be booby-trapped and were injured
01:01:13by an explosive device. The IDF has controlled the area
01:01:17of the incident for a long time, and the army says that Hezbollah violated
01:01:20the ceasefire understandings even though it is unclear when the device
01:01:24was planted.
01:01:27A human body was found this morning in the area of the Yarkon Park near Petah Tikva
01:01:31during searches for the missing Eldar Dean. Dean, a 23-year-old
01:01:34resident of Dimona, was last seen in the Petah Tikva area
01:01:3819 days ago. Ads survey, our reporter at the police
01:01:42doesn't say it's Dean. What are they saying
01:01:45now? Correct, first of all, we need to be very
01:01:48careful, Yonatan. We still don't know who the body found here
01:01:52in the field at the scene near Petah Tikva is. There were indeed
01:01:55searches in the morning hours by Yemar Sharon. Help, yes, a body
01:01:58in an advanced state of decomposition. The findings were collected just a
01:02:02few moments ago. They finished their work here at the scene,
01:02:04and as mentioned, the body is being sent to the Abu Kabir Institute of Forensic
01:02:08Medicine for identification of
01:02:11the body. Eldar Dean's mother is here
01:02:15at the scene after she saw someone. A body
01:02:20in the Petah Tikva area, she
01:02:24yelled at the police officers, so she didn't obey, demanded to enter
01:02:27the scene, ah, shouted.
01:02:33The family is still here grieving, understandably
01:02:37in a very difficult and sensitive situation they are in. It's been more than
01:02:41two and a half weeks since her son disappeared.
01:02:44Bottom line, as of now,
01:02:45operations at the scene
01:02:49have concluded. And when there is
01:02:52an identity of that body, we will of course
01:02:55update through the police, Ads.
01:02:58Thank you and so we will hear. of Eldar Dean when he arrived at the scene.
01:03:15And in the Arab community, the second murder in only about 12
01:03:18hours. In Muqeibla in the Jezreel Valley, Eyad Hayman
01:03:22Gormah, about 20 years old, was murdered. An unknown assailant shot him at his doorstep,
01:03:26most likely due to an ongoing conflict between families in Ash.
01:03:37His wife was murdered about a year ago. Since the beginning of the year,
01:03:40160 people have been murdered in the Arab
01:03:43community. Now to the zigzag of the Ministry
01:03:46dozens of supervised daycare centers of shekels were transferred to daycares.
01:03:49In the ultra-Orthodox sector, they didn't arrive at their homes. After
01:03:53the discovery in the office, they were allowed to deduct the budgets, but
01:03:56now they are retracting. Miran Hodeshinu, our correspondent for your matter.
01:04:02Hello, Yonatan, two years ago, in your audit of the Ministry of Education, it was discovered that
01:04:05for ultra-Orthodox did not pay
01:04:09the persistence grant given by the state to assistants
01:04:12and took the money, apparently, to the daycare's
01:04:14coffers. The state is now demanding to deduct millions of shekels
01:04:18from those daycare centers that did not pay the assistants, but the CEO
01:04:21of the Ministry of Education, Meir Shimoni, is asking the state
01:04:25to waive the fees for those ultra-Orthodox daycare centers due to fear
01:04:28that they will collapse. The early childhood sector is already collapsing. And precisely
01:04:31daycare centers that did pay the money, like WIZO and Na'amat
01:04:34and Emunah, are not in the picture because they did pay
01:04:38their assistants. So what do they say about this at the Ministry of Education? The CEO's
01:04:41construction was done in full cooperation with the professional bodies in the ministry and was intended to promote
01:04:45a framework that prevents real harm to the continuity of the evening daycare system's
01:04:48activities and the opening of the school year. Thank you,
01:04:52Liran. Yoav Horovitz, who was Netanyahu's confidant, CEO
01:04:56of the Prime Minister's Office, opens everything. Tomorrow in court.
01:05:00Friday news on Kan News, the full interview with our reporter Gili
01:05:03Cohen.
01:05:06I really wanted to work with Netanyahu,
01:05:09and I knew Netanyahu who I thought
01:05:12was statesmanlike.
01:05:16If I once thought that was true, today I know it's not
01:05:18true. Power corrupts
01:05:22even moral virtues, but it corrupts the perception
01:05:25of reality.
01:05:28The State of Israel is filing an indictment.
01:05:31He goes to war against the State
01:05:32of Israel.
01:05:36And that's all for our news update for this hour. Now Yigal Guetta
01:05:39and Omri Assenheim on Kan News on Reshet B. Our next update at 12.
01:05:43Have a good and quiet morning. Goodbye
01:05:46for now.
01:06:05will now go to the material, to people who, yes, these are people
01:06:08who truly protect us, unequivocally. And we say,
01:06:12good morning to Colonel
01:06:15Roy. Hello, good morning, good morning, same to you,
01:06:18right, commander of the Paratroopers Brigade.
01:06:22Hello, hello, and this is a special day for you, because today there's
01:06:26recruitment for the brigade. Yes, we are fortunate to receive. A line
01:06:30of the brigade, hundreds more recruits who join, uh,
01:06:34the legacy of generations, join the Paratroopers Brigade, and this
01:06:37is, like in previous years, is it more, is it
01:06:40less? I have to say that since
01:06:43forever, the Paratroopers Brigade has had a great
01:06:47response, and many excellent guys join
01:06:50our ranks. There's no doubt that when
01:06:53our country is still at war
01:06:56and significantly, then this wonderful youth answers
01:07:00the call, and we see even more people trying
01:07:04to join the ranks of the brigade, and the motivation is very
01:07:07high. We are, you know, in a difficult
01:07:11day. Two IDF soldiers, Harel Birnstock and Tamir
01:07:15Vaknin were killed
01:07:17yesterday in Lebanon.
01:07:20And you, you know, you know the sector well.
01:07:24When you hear about such an incident, it's not your brigade, it's a reserve
01:07:28brigade, but...
01:07:30Is there even a way to deal with the existing situation in this new
01:07:34sector, in this new security sector, or is this
01:07:37currently the best we can do, to defend from
01:07:40the outposts, from the homes?
01:07:44A, and you know, and to pay this price. First
01:07:48of all, paratroopers, paratroopers, paratrooper, reserve paratroopers
01:07:51who fell. And dear people
01:07:55who did very important
01:07:57work. And the entire Paratroopers Brigade
01:08:00was saddened to hear these difficult tidings.
01:08:04It's important for me to say here to also send a strong hug
01:08:07to the families.
01:08:10And I want to say that
01:08:12the regular paratroopers who are currently in the south and also the other
01:08:16paratrooper brigades in the reserves, some of which
01:08:20are also in the north, are doing their best. I think that in the face of
01:08:23existing challenges which are great, the work I do is optimal
01:08:27work, and we are in a dangerous
01:08:30profession, and our job is to protect the State of Israel. You know,
01:08:34Goi, and I are civilians, and when we,
01:08:37when I heard this news and received it,
01:08:40of course, like all journalists. A little earlier, so it
01:08:44really makes, it truly makes a very, very big pang
01:08:47in the heart. What is it for you as the commander of the Paratroopers Brigade
01:08:51to hear, to receive the news of such
01:08:53an event?
01:08:56I'll tell you this, besides being a commander of the Paratroopers Brigade, I'm
01:08:59also a citizen of the State of Israel, and a father
01:09:03and a son, like every citizen of the State of Israel, it
01:09:07pains me, and as their colleague,
01:09:10as a paratrooper like them.
01:09:13It pains me greatly.
01:09:17And I tell you that we also opened, we knew about it a little before
01:09:21it was published, and we talked about it
01:09:23here in the brigade with the commanders,
01:09:27and we mentioned the eight, we mentioned the tremendous
01:09:29sacrifice. Uh, it's hard for all of us. There's
01:09:33no way to make it easier.
01:09:37The experience of loss is a difficult experience. You know, Omri, Omri asked how it
01:09:41affects you, and I want to ask how it affects your soldiers,
01:09:44such an event, on the new
01:09:47recruits?
01:09:49I think that everyone who enlists
01:09:53knows that they are enlisting, uh, for
01:09:56a very important cause, to protect our people, to protect our
01:10:00land. And I say,
01:10:03these events, and every time a soldier falls, it's
01:10:07hard. I have no way to say it in any other way, it's very, very hard.
01:10:11But this is our faith, our absolute righteousness,
01:10:14and the importance of the action we are taking. We are not defending
01:10:18borders of things, we are not defending, defending
01:10:22the people of Israel, we are defending our land,
01:10:25and everyone is aware of our purpose and mission. I
01:10:29say that despite the great personal
01:10:31pain, the great collective
01:10:34pain, it does not weaken our hands in any way. I
01:10:38tell both the young guys and the veteran paratroopers, it might even give
01:10:41more. I don't think
01:10:45we can talk about motivation here.
01:10:48Every loss of a paratrooper and indeed of a commander
01:10:52in the IDF is an event that is difficult
01:10:55for all of us, but I say it does not weaken
01:10:58our hands in our ability. The fact that it's difficult, it's difficult
01:11:02for the soldiers, that's clear. The question, and the fact that it doesn't weaken your hands, that's clear.
01:11:05The question is whether to a certain
01:11:06extent
01:11:09unfortunately it proves that
01:11:14we must continue on this path. What
01:11:18it proves is that we must be a protective
01:11:21layer for the people of Israel, for the civilians. That's what's
01:11:25important. We need to be there. The fighters and commanders need to be
01:11:28there, and behind us are yeshiva students. That's what it proves, and that's
01:11:32what's important. Look, we are almost, Colonel Roy,
01:11:35we are almost three years after the October session.
01:11:39How does the Paratroopers Brigade look today
01:11:42compared to the eve of October 7th, October
01:11:466th, 2023?
01:11:49I don't think you can compare the operational
01:11:51experience of the commanders and fighters
01:11:55in the brigade to what it was
01:11:58before. The brigade has been fighting
01:12:01continuously for almost three years,
01:12:05and in fact, in every sector, we were in the north, in the south,
01:12:08in Judea and Samaria, in all places in Syria.
01:12:13In all the significant places where the fighting took place,
01:12:16and the fighters and commanders gained a lot of
01:12:19operational knowledge and operational experience. The brigade itself
01:12:22has improved greatly in terms of equipment and capabilities. I think
01:12:26that the brigade is always, you know, it's a brigade with a tremendous
01:12:30heritage of decades that participated in all of Israel's
01:12:33wars. But when I meet, also the
01:12:37paratroopers of the past, our veterans, and talk to them
01:12:40and present to them the brigade's activities in the last three years,
01:12:44it's no less than awe. How worn out
01:12:47are your soldiers? I remember that during the Swords of Iron
01:12:51war, there were strong complaints from officers against who was then the commander.
01:12:58Abusive treatment of subordinates. This was a matter of very, very
01:13:02great fatigue among the soldiers. What did you learn and how are you
01:13:05now? I have to say, my predecessor
01:13:09in the role led the brigade in a complex and difficult
01:13:12operational situation and led it in an excellent way.
01:13:16That's one thing. Second, I say, we are a regular
01:13:20brigade. The cycles change.
01:13:23Uh, and we receive some new
01:13:26fighters
01:13:29into our ranks. And the brigade, not only is it not worn out, it's hungry for action.
01:15:51Katz and with this semi-dismissal of Avi Blot from Central
01:15:55Command, and there was talk that you are already carrying the burden
01:15:59and serving and dedicating your lives to the army. You are now a Colonel,
01:16:02commander of the Paratroopers
01:16:05Brigade. Once it was a very, very clear path forward.
01:16:08How do you see your future?
01:16:11I see my future in the most important place
01:16:15they want to put me in the IDF. That's what's important.
01:16:18In the place I am in now, commander of the Paratroopers Brigade, we are currently
01:16:22looking at what we are doing. I am in the most important place
01:16:25I can be, to lead the Paratroopers Brigade in the war
01:16:28to defend our people. There is no more important place. I'm not thinking about anything
01:16:32beyond. Will you continue in the army?
01:16:35I will continue in the army, yes.
01:16:38Excellent. Commander of the Paratroopers Brigade, Colonel Roy, recruitment
01:16:41day for new soldiers
01:16:43for the brigade. Good luck. We salute them,
01:16:47and may everyone return safely, including you. Thank you very much, thank you very
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01:17:01B.
01:17:10Three, four, and action!
01:17:13He gave his all
01:17:17He dreamed big Hallelujah
01:17:21He Wow!
01:18:10One day David Grossman called me, introduced himself,
01:18:13at first I didn't believe it was him, then he convinced me, he said, "I have
01:18:17a song that I think would suit
01:18:19you."
01:18:22And it was a very cool song, like the breakthrough is very simple,
01:18:25to make a song only from stickers that would have all this Israeli
01:18:29essence, hot teachers, like, uh, these are like
01:18:33the stickers, for the first time in my life I understand that there are
01:18:36materials here.
01:19:07Blue and white will be amazing It will be
01:19:11fun
01:19:15What are you, Hanoch Hozan, move
01:19:17on, Norman! I will murder
01:19:21her.
01:19:30Simple. Two after, come eat with me
01:19:34on Kan 11 and Kan Box. Who here
01:19:37feels they love their bank? To hate is a difficult emotion.
01:19:41They just take your money. Wow, no reason. It can be zero,
01:19:44not three shekels, not nine shekels.
01:19:47Zero for a transfer. If it doesn't
01:19:50go my way, it's the
01:19:54this, to say, I want zero, I want
01:19:58zero. They don't give in easily. Competition in banks
01:20:02begins
01:20:02now.
01:20:17Seniority 2026 here
01:20:19news on Reshet B. All the way to the ballot
01:20:22box. A little
01:20:26politics. We haven't touched on politics until now, Yigal, almost
01:20:29at all. Also that is a blessed development.
01:20:33Right, which, if we to be honest, we're pushing
01:20:36politics aside. This week, for
01:20:39bad reasons, due to the
01:20:42fall of the two soldiers, but we want
01:20:44to say about this to someone
01:20:48for whom the coming week, the coming two weeks, are very critical: Knesset member
01:20:51Tali Gottlieb. Good morning. Hello, hello. Nothing
01:20:55is critical for me. And let's just remember, we won't call them two soldiers. Let's remember
01:20:58Harel Birnstock, may God avenge his blood, the hero and the combat medic
01:21:02Tamir Vaknin, may God avenge his blood. And let's send
01:21:05blessings, God willing. Complete healing
01:21:09to our wounded. I don't like to say, to say
01:21:12the names.
01:21:18Everything is fine. I'm with you, and nothing is critical. I don't work
01:21:21in primaries one day. From the moment I entered
01:21:24the Knesset, I swore to myself and obligated myself
01:21:27to be worthy of public trust every day. Nothing
01:21:31is mine, nothing is guaranteed to me. Books don't interest me.
01:21:34The only thing that interests me is the people. It was critical for me. But still, in the end,
01:21:38in the end, to get elected, you have to make some deals. No, no, you can't
01:21:42make deals if you have nothing to make deals with. I don't have Likud members, so it's not
01:21:46relevant. This is indeed very disturbing to many
01:21:49people from the left and from the right, maybe even you,
01:21:53Tali Gottlieb, what will happen with her, what will we do with her?
01:21:56I actually heard some leftist who told me, "I wish Tali Gottlieb
01:22:00would be elected." Why? I don't know what left is. I don't know what a leftist
01:22:03is to you. Not what you call leftists, you call them leftists.
01:22:07People who are connected, say, to Democrats, yes? Democrats
01:22:11are not leftists, they are enemies of the land
01:22:12of Israel.
01:22:19On a day when two soldiers are killed, let's leave that, let's
01:22:22leave that for a moment. Excuse me, did you forget that Yair Golan said that we
01:22:26send soldiers to murder babies as a syntactical structure? He didn't say, he said
01:22:29that a strong country doesn't send, that's exactly what he
01:22:32said. Look also, look also at what's happening at pro-Hamas demonstrations around the world with
01:22:36Yair Golan's picture.
01:22:43I'll just explain to you what he told me, he told me, "Listen, I want Tali Gottlieb to be elected."
01:22:46Tali Gottlieb, I asked him why. He says, "The moment she's
01:22:50on the list, the Likud will lose mandates." So very good, so
01:22:53tell your leftist friend that he's also weak, because for the simple
01:22:56reason, it's our luck. But I also heard people in the Likud
01:23:00say that, that it's bad luck for the Prime Minister, to tell him that
01:23:03you must make sure she's not there, because if she is, we will go down.
01:23:07So what a fluke that the Prime Minister, unlike you and unlike your leftist
01:23:11friend, is a very smart man, and he listens to the public, and he knows
01:23:15that the public is a right-wing
01:23:16public.
01:23:19They crown
01:24:22him. He said in 2019 that we must, but must bring
01:24:26Qatari money to Gaza, because it serves and preserves the administration of
01:24:30Hamas. So don't tell me stories that the prime minister built
01:24:34Hamas. The one who always transferred and approved the
01:24:37concept of Hamas as a deterrent, no, no, the chief of staff does not transfer funds, what
01:24:41you are saying is not true. The one who decides on the transfer of funds is the prime minister, with all due respect, you
01:24:44probably intentionally don't want to understand what I'm saying, but you know that the one
01:24:48who decides on the... By the way,
01:25:00by the way, the change government also transferred Qatari money, but
01:25:03nominally to certain people,
01:25:07not to Hamas, and Hamas took the money and did with it what it wanted. But never mind that
01:25:11now, let's talk for a moment. Don't let, don't let, just a second, don't let facts confuse
01:25:15you, and that's okay. I say again, the political echelon always
01:25:18decides on this matter. Based on the statements and recommendations of the
01:25:22intelligence, military, and intelligence services, this is how they refer to it. This is not what
01:25:25my prime minister, Netanyahu, said. Prime Minister Netanyahu
01:25:29said the political echelon is responsible, and only
01:25:32it, not the army and not... That's what he said during
01:25:35Olmert's time, when Olmert was prime minister, he said
01:25:39that the entire responsibility was on him. Wait, I want to explain
01:25:42something to you. Of course, and you are intentionally, you don't really care what I'm
01:25:45saying. So I want to tell you this again so that your listeners
01:25:49will listen. Okay, the government, the political
01:25:52echelon decides everything. But when I talk to you about bringing Qatari money to Gaza,
01:25:56I'm telling you that the one who recommended this was the military, intelligence,
01:26:00and IDF echelon, the Mossad, the Shin Bet,
01:26:04the National Security Council, all of them unanimously recommended it, and therefore the political echelon did so. And I'm telling
01:26:08you, if I had been in front of the Shin Bet, as I already was in the
01:26:11Security Committee, me and my colleague Shoner Melech were the only ones who opposed the despicable
01:26:15concept of Hamas as a deterrent.
01:26:18To this day, by the way, we are with the same intelligence bodies that we are lying to Axos in this
01:26:22outrageous jump of a seasoned enemy, and an enemy needs quiet, and quiet
01:26:25will be met with quiet. My enemy understands force, force, and only more force.
01:26:29I'm sorry. And why don't we do that in Gaza,
01:26:32for example? We
01:26:34are actually doing it.
01:26:36Excuse me. How are they doing it? Look, they've gone back to their old ways.
01:26:4030,000 terrorists in Gaza.
01:26:44I don't agree with you for the reason that 600 messages every day
01:26:47to Hamas, the same thing, we're back to the same place. No, I don't agree with you,
01:26:51not even a little, because you are belittling the extraordinary
01:26:54activity of our soldiers and our
01:26:55army.
01:26:58Listen, wait, no, no, no, we're not, I'm not, you know, if you make any
01:27:02comment, with respect, of course, but there won't be a comment you make that I won't answer, for the simple
01:27:05reason that, God forbid, someone else in the audience might think that
01:27:09you're seeing something right, because the activity of our army in Gaza, the activity of our
01:27:13army in Gaza is an enormous
01:27:16activity. Just this week, as was reported, there was a number of activities.
01:27:56of the Likud, where you are basically positioned in a place, never mind the armor, that you are
01:28:00positioned in third place, meaning Netanyahu is first, of course, Amir Ohana
01:28:03is second, and you are in third place. I am currently taking out of the picture, you
01:28:07and you are a test case in this story, because you really refrain from going to Bar
01:28:11Mitzvahs, weddings, circumcisions, all these things. No, no, just a minute, I
01:28:14don't refrain, I am a less social person than most
01:28:17people.
01:28:32My other abilities are my ability to advocate, very correct, thank God
01:28:36for her legal-bureaucratic choice that persecutes and disables
01:28:39us, that's it. Anyone who wants me not to be, by the way,
01:28:42anyone who doesn't want me to be high on the list, by the way, I promise you, it's
01:28:46Gali Bar Mi'ara, it's Galimon, it's Yitzhak Amit, it's many Supreme Court justices, it's many people
01:28:50in the judiciary. What will become of me? She still knows what she's
01:28:53saying, she understands the system, she understands what we're doing, she understands our
01:28:57organized conspiracies to disable the government
01:29:01by any means. I see them. That's it, and the public is wise
01:29:04and discerning. Also that. It's enough, it's enough. I say
01:29:07first of all, it's an interesting test case in the Likud. I don't remember anyone,
01:29:11or any Knesset member or primary candidate who behaves
01:29:15in such a way that basically says, "Judge me on
01:29:18my actions. I don't go to such places, to all the
01:29:22flattery."
01:29:24Wait, wait, no, that's not what I said. I don't think going to a Bar Mitzvah or a wedding is
01:29:28flattery. I think there's joy in a person's happiness, that's a great
01:29:31thing.
01:29:46What to do, that's the truth, but in what am I good? We saw that in various circles
01:29:50of dancing, you are very strong. Ah, of course. You know the difference
01:29:53between folk dancing and a social event, not belly dancing
01:29:56at celebrations, at Bar Mitzvahs, at weddings, in dancing.
01:29:59First of all, I wish I knew belly dancing. I know.
01:30:02You hear amazing songs and you just dance and everyone
01:30:15enjoys themselves together, beautiful and good Israel, and therefore even if you
01:30:19are not a social person, you cannot not enjoy it, and in short,
01:30:22we need to recommend to the Central Committee members to do folk dancing
01:30:26for the members.
01:30:30What I suggest, not what I suggest. You, it's not to underestimate. Does it
01:30:44seem to you that 70% of my friends are Likud members?
01:30:46So I have news for you, the excellent Central
01:30:50Committee members and excellent Likud members choose people, not
01:30:53because they come to their Bar Mitzvah. They choose worthy,
01:30:56right-wing, opinionated, articulate people. I agree. So why
01:31:00does everyone invest?
01:31:32Wait, tell me honestly, are you happy with the current Likud list, are you
01:31:36happy? I want to tell you, only,
01:31:40first of all, with me there are no secrets. If you haven't gotten used to it yet and didn't know yet, you're not asking me for any
01:31:44spoiler here. I always say everything openly and in real
01:31:46time. Just
01:46:03for narcissists, especially
01:46:06those who are on the speedy side of the.
01:46:11That they are indeed dangerous and risky,
01:46:14ah, the reason is that these people simply need
01:46:18power and control, they are very
01:46:21attracted to hierarchical systems, where the hierarchy is
01:47:24in the sense that I am more important
01:47:27than the party, and let's say, or that in fact
01:47:31I am the party. What does that mean, I am more important than the party?
01:47:34Think for a moment about the short discussion you had here about the Likud primary, yes,
01:47:38within the context of Tali Gottlieb, but think for a moment about the Likud primary. It's a crazy
01:47:42thing, we're already far beyond the normalization point
01:47:45for this, but think about these primaries and how they operate. No one
01:47:49talks about any kind of professional achievements or any
01:47:52vision or anything he would want to do or anything
01:47:56he managed to do in the past. They talk about the measure being
01:48:00proximity to the leader, loyalty to the leader,
01:48:03the ability to push forward the values
01:48:06of the leader. And if he has, of course
01:48:10he has, just not what you would want, not the values
01:48:13you would want, but he has
01:48:17ah
01:48:19and we'll spray venom outwards, like, at anyone who tries to even get close
01:48:23to us. In normal politics, which is the thing we've already forgotten
01:48:27who he is, what he is, the leader is supposed to be strong,
01:48:30but the party is supposed to be stronger than him. That is, the message the leader is supposed to convey
01:48:34is the Likud is here, the Likud will be here forever.
01:48:38It's possible that it will be me, I will be in power.
01:48:53weird, I'll take a lot of reservations, I'll spread rumors
01:48:56about who I'm reserving, who I'm not reserving, also of course based on completely superficial
01:48:59metrics, and not, not looking for doers, I'm looking for shiny
01:49:03names to decorate my list, and I also
01:49:06decide everything, and I also don't even need to offer a platform.
01:49:10Why do I need a platform? I have myself. Now, wait, wait, Ayelet, I, I'm listening to you
01:49:14attentively, and this whole analysis is fascinating, but I want to ask
01:49:18a question. You said that it's usually power, control,
01:49:21and I'm interested. Is the third thing also related, which is money?
01:49:25Why? Many people tell me, listen, they say that, for example,
01:49:28Netanyahu, if he goes to give lectures around the world today,
01:49:32they pay him crazy amounts for every
01:49:35lecture, and he's not so interested
01:49:37in it.
01:49:40First of all, allow me to raise an eyebrow regarding
01:49:43the amounts and the lectures.
01:49:46Yes, and secondly, you know, it's possible that money is
01:49:49a kind of secondary derivative. But
01:49:57it's also possible that he's not really interested, meaning power, control, money, not sure. It's hard for me to believe that money doesn't interest him,
01:50:00because you know, we see, we see that money, ah,
01:50:04that money does interest him, but it could be that it's really a kind
01:50:08of secondary goal. And by the way, money is also a kind of
01:50:11power. Yes, we see that he seeks power and status
01:50:15and strength. Money is also not when you're a civilian, then money
01:50:19has meaning and gives you status. But when you're
01:50:23a leader, then you're strong even if you don't have money personally.
01:50:27Right, but we have a leader who has been a public servant for many years and is
01:50:31still very rich, very,
01:50:33very much. Yes, interesting. How can we identify a narcissistic
01:50:36leader? That's one question. Second question, are there leaders
01:50:40of parties in Israel about whom you can say unequivocally that they are not
01:50:44narcissists?
01:50:47The second question is very interesting. One second. I, I'll start with the first one and then
01:50:51I'll start thinking. About the second one. So we can
01:50:54actually talk about something called narcissistic politics, okay? And we
01:50:58see it happening in many places around the world, not just
01:51:02here. And the signs of narcissistic
01:51:05politics, I think,
01:51:09we can identify them well. There is first of all such a discourse
01:51:13that the leader is at the center, and the leader
01:51:15is what matters, and when you hurt,
01:51:19then I want to address you, as a citizen who goes to vote. Okay?
01:51:23And now I want to know from all the leaders we have on
01:51:26the ground, so to speak, I want to vote for a certain person, and you
01:51:30know what? I'll actually go in the other direction so they don't say we only talked about Netanyahu. I
01:51:34want to know now if it's possible that Eisenkot is a narcissist, and I don't
01:51:38know now, but after we vote for him, we'll suddenly discover,
01:51:41wow, how didn't we know?
01:51:44Um, look, this is
01:51:48really, this is really a complex question, because it's really impossible
01:51:51to truly diagnose narcissism based on one act or
01:51:54one statement. It needs to be continuous patterns.
01:51:57So if I wanted to see if Eisenkot is a narcissist,
01:52:00for example, then I would really
01:52:03examine his conduct, I would want to see if he has
01:52:07relationships, how, how, how are his past relationships, does he have good
01:52:11friends, how do they talk about him, is he someone who is easy to work
01:52:14with in a team, ah, what do
01:52:18his subordinates say about working with him in personal
01:52:21circumstances? Is he a person who takes responsibility? This is something
01:52:24very, very essential to the identification of narcissists. Narcissists are very,
01:52:28very, very reluctant to take responsibility. For someone
01:52:32else. From their perspective, everything that succeeded is
01:52:35me, everything that didn't succeed, everything that didn't work, everything
01:52:38that is a failure, is you, it's Moshe, it's
01:52:42the legal advisor, it's the Gilgal. It's,
01:52:45no matter what, wow, something happened, it's simply not related
01:52:49to me. So anyway,
01:52:58You say, ask the people close to him, but the people close to him
01:53:01never see his flaws, that's
01:53:04the problem, and even if they do, they don't want to say.
01:53:08Right, I wouldn't necessarily look for his flaws, you know, I would
01:53:11look for the human in him. If, if, for example,
01:53:15I had to interview all of Eisenkot's circle,
01:53:18then I would ask them, tell me, when that mistake
01:53:22happened. And that, what did he do? Did he say it was you, or did he
01:53:25ah, or did he take responsibility? Did he ever
01:53:29say, "I made a mistake"? Did he ever say, "I made a mistake, yes, I made a mistake, I failed,
01:53:33I, I, I take responsibility for
01:53:36it"? Is he capable
01:53:38of like a stone? For example, the second question you asked me
01:53:42about which leader? So let's say I would
01:53:45ask, for example, I don't know, Bennett and Yair
01:53:48Golan? Would you, for a promise of a
01:53:5220-mandate achievement, be willing to vacate the leadership
01:53:56of the party? If you're such an
01:53:58ideologue,
01:54:01right? So ostensibly the answer should be yes, right?
01:54:04The answer should be yes. The answer you have to understand
01:54:08that ideology comes before me. It's not fair that they only bring you for 20
01:54:11minutes. Right. Is narcissism in a leader
01:54:15necessarily a bad trait?
01:54:19Of course, if he doesn't take responsibility and everything is on you, of course it is. Were
01:54:26there excellent leaders who were narcissists, who are considered excellent leaders in history,
01:54:30or who are even now considered excellent leaders and are
01:54:32narcissists?
01:54:35Look, in the end, narcissists can suddenly lead their
01:54:38countries to incredible achievements, as long as they are
01:54:42like within their manic
01:54:45, narcissistic frenzy, I don't know, but forever
01:54:49he is at the center and not the citizen. Hitler, in the end,
01:54:52sorry for the example, led Germany
01:54:54to achievements. What achievements? He led it to ruin. What
01:54:58achievements? Not in the first years.
01:55:01He told them we would be an empire and we would conquer it. By the way, because
01:55:06he promised them things that should not be promised, in principle,
01:55:10that a reasonable person should have
01:55:14understood were not moral and also not
01:55:17logical. Yes. And the collapse came because
01:55:19also, among other things, yes, God forbid, I don't want to oversimplify
01:55:23this whole event, but שני, yes,
01:55:26we always want a leader. Our time with you is running out. How interesting.
01:55:30For example, I have a question that I want to ask next time:
01:55:33Narcissists in the media. A question
01:55:35I would ask you is, can a person become a narcissist
01:55:39as a result of
01:55:42becoming? I'll talk to you next time, Ayelet Shani, Haaretz journalist
01:55:45and author of the book Dangerous Liaisons. Thank you very much. Edited by
01:55:49Idit Ben Yair, produced by Guraria and Ranana Friedman, technical execution by Amir
01:55:53Shmueli and Alan Solomanko. Right
01:55:56after us, at midday, at midday with Lit Regev. Be with us
01:56:00for two weeks too. Thank you, Guetta. It was fun. Bye bye. Welcome back.
01:56:04It will be fun. It will be fun. Yes, yes,
01:56:07all they did was talk about Khamenei,
01:56:11enemies, Saturday night, on Kan 11 and Kan Box.
01:56:25One day David Mirossman called me, introduced himself.
01:56:29At first I didn't believe it was him, but then he convinced me, he said I have
01:56:33a song that I think will suit
01:56:35you.
01:56:37It was a very cool song, like the idea is very simple,
01:56:41to make a song just from stickers, that it will have all this Israeli
01:56:45charge, teachers' strike,
01:56:49like that, it's like the stickers, ah, for the first time
01:56:52in my life, I understand that there's a bombshell here, black gold.
01:56:56Third in the morning
01:57:01Culture reporter tomorrow, Gil the female transition has become a cultural issue.
01:57:46The simple second after come eat
01:57:48with me on Channel 11 and on Kan Box. Tomorrow
01:57:52on garlic, pepper and olive oil the singer-songwriter
01:57:55and actress Noam Kleinstein
01:57:59Noam, I put some subtle hints
01:58:03about the food you're about
01:58:05to get. Very subtle. We have Persian lemon here and another Persian
01:58:09lemon. As they say, tomorrow, the answer is already
01:58:12inside. That's how it all began.
01:58:16Four in the morning, I couldn't sleep. I'm so
01:58:18hot.
01:58:21I'm not even close. I didn't sleep. Suddenly I couldn't
01:58:25see
01:58:25their husbands.
01:58:31Currently.
02:00:16Hello everyone, good afternoon. It's 12 o'clock now, we have a news
02:00:19update. At the military cemetery on Mount Herzl, Major (res.)
02:00:22Harel Birnstock, a 34-year-old resident of Nokdim, is currently being
02:00:26laid to rest. He was one of two reserve soldiers who fell
02:00:30yesterday in southern Lebanon. Staff Sergeant Major (res.)
02:00:34Tamir Vaknin, a 33-year-old resident of Elad, will be trained
02:00:37tonight at 7:20 PM at the military cemetery in his city.
02:00:41May their memory be blessed. In the incident in which Harel and Tamir fell,
02:00:45four reserve soldiers were seriously wounded. The incident occurred
02:00:48yesterday around 12 noon in the village of Majdal Zoun
02:00:51which is located within the Israeli security zone in southern
02:00:55Lebanon. Reserve paratroopers will secure engineering
02:00:58work. They entered the.