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00:00:00דבל על הכסף, תחרות ריאליטי חדשה, הערב
00:00:04אחרי החדשות, בקאן 11 ובקן בוקס.
00:00:18שלום לכם, בוקר, אנחנו עם עדכון החדשות לשעה שמונה ופותחים בפרשת
00:00:22שחיטות חמורה, כפי שמגדירה אותה המשטרה, ראש אירייה במרכז,
00:00:26נאצר עם עוד 23 חשודים, רובסקי, אתה
00:00:29מצטרף. לנו עם כל הפרטים שאפשר להגיד.
00:00:33פרשיית שחיטות רחבת היקף בעירייה במרכז. ראש
00:00:36on suspicion of bribery. Along with him,
00:00:4023 other suspects were arrested and detained, including officials
00:00:43and municipality employees and businessmen. The suspicion is that in exchange
00:00:46for bribery money that was mainly transferred in cash, the head
00:00:49of the authority and the CEO of the economic company, with unusual involvement
00:00:53of the head of the authority's wife, acted to ensure the bribers won
00:00:55tenders and positions in the local
00:00:58authority. The investigation uncovered the involvement of known criminal elements
00:01:02in the center of the country in the bribery mechanism in exchange for winning
00:01:05tenders and also in committing violent
00:01:08offenses. The investigation is being conducted by Unit 433.
00:01:11Runovsky, thank you. We are
00:01:1515 days from the elections. A Kan News poll indicates
00:01:19a turnaround in the bloc alignment. Netanyahu's bloc leads. Yaara Shapira,
00:01:22our correspondent, we are with you with all the data and implications.
00:01:25Yaara, yes, Keren, Netanyahu's bloc stands
00:01:28at 53 seats in this poll and overtakes Gantz's
00:01:32bloc. This happens as Gantz himself drops
00:01:35to 22 seats.
00:01:38Ben-Gvir, despite all the attacks on him, passes
00:01:41the electoral threshold. Perhaps we should say because of all the attacks
00:01:45on him, and the public prominence he gains, under the patronage of the Likud's
00:01:49attacks, it is possible that the Likud's calculation here was a mistaken calculation
00:01:52regarding Ofer Ben-Gvir, and in any case, these are
00:01:56figures that the Likud is happy with.
00:02:01Subject to the question of whether
00:02:04or not Ben-Gvir is considered part of the bloc? Thank you,
00:02:07Yaara. Yonatan Orich, an aide to Prime Minister Netanyahu, whose WhatsApp
00:02:11account was hacked, a new site that went online threatens
00:02:15to expose his private correspondence, allegedly with close associates. The publication comes
00:02:19two weeks after it was revealed that Shimon connected his account
00:02:22to a management service from the United Arab Emirates. Orich's lawyer
00:02:25will take steps against the hacker and against anyone
00:02:29who publishes information
00:02:31from the correspondence.
00:02:34The Joint List will settle for a general agreement on a political
00:02:37horizon with the Palestinians as the sole political condition
00:02:41for external support for the future government. This is a report by Yaara Shapira.
00:02:45The other demands are civilian: cancellation of the "Mini Law," fighting crime,
00:02:48and education budgets. In the change bloc, these demands are not ruled out
00:02:52outright, but some parties simply refuse to conduct negotiations with the Joint
00:02:56List. And meanwhile, the former Prime Minister,
00:03:01who caused a stir in the change bloc when he said he had no problem with Netanyahu
00:03:04serving as minister in his government, if he accepts its principles, including
00:03:08a state commission of inquiry and conscription for all, retracts.
00:03:12Gantz, Liberman, and Yair Golan strongly objected. Hours later,
00:03:16Ben-Gvir clarified that he would not sit with Netanyahu in any government
00:03:19and would hold him responsible for the October
00:03:227th massacre.
00:03:25From here to the Kan News scoop, Israel has allowed an American company, on behalf of the Peace
00:03:28Council, to enter the Gaza Strip in the coming days
00:03:32to begin the demilitarization of the Strip. Itai Blumenthal, you're joining us. This is your exclusive
00:03:35Itai. That's right, Keren. Israel has allowed
00:03:38an American company on behalf of the Peace Council to enter the Gaza Strip
00:03:42in the coming days to map two or three
00:03:45areas where Hamas can hand over its weapons
00:03:49for destruction. This is considered one of the most significant
00:03:53steps in the Gaza Strip related
00:03:55to reconstruction. Reconstruction, from Israel's perspective, will only happen after
00:03:58Hamas disarms and the Gaza Strip
00:04:02is demilitarized. According to the details we published yesterday
00:04:04in the edition, the American team members will enter the southern
00:04:08Strip, the Khan Yunis and Rafah areas, areas that are currently
00:04:12under Israeli control, where they are trying to build a mechanism
00:04:15so that those terrorists, armed individuals, will come
00:04:18to those areas with their weapons, on the one hand, they will arrive there relatively
00:04:22safely, and on the other hand, they will not pose a threat or
00:04:26risk to the IDF forces deployed
00:04:29within the Strip. And it should be remembered, according to the major Peace Council's plan,
00:04:32only after Hamas disarms, at
00:04:36least in a certain area, only then will IDF forces gradually
00:04:39withdraw, and the technocratic council
00:04:42will gain control of the area. A senior
00:04:45Israeli official tells us that Israel is working with
00:04:48the Americans. On the one hand, there is great pessimism
00:04:51that Hamas will actually agree to disarm, even though
00:04:54outwardly it tries to show that it is moving
00:04:57in that direction. And in Israel, they say, "We are doing everything
00:05:01to abide by the agreements. We are working with the Americans,
00:05:04and in the end, it is likely that Hamas, not Israel,
00:05:08will thwart the plan." Itai,
00:05:11thank you very much. Here, we are finishing this update now. Assaf Lieberman
00:05:14and Roy Sharon. We will return with another update at 9 o'clock. Goodbye
00:05:18for now.
00:05:27Tonight on the Hot Quiz, a combination of Maccabi Haifa and a discharged soldier
00:05:31who just returned from her big trip. All three will try to become the king or queen of our Hot Quiz,
00:05:35which is not an easy task at all, as we have seen, but with a little
00:05:38strategy, a little speed, and you too are on your way to the crown. Collect the...
00:06:37in the headlines, what Cheshvan is like the mayor's wife, right.
00:06:40העיר, ראייט.
00:06:48What are the headlines? Are you in the headlines? Yes, yesterday our friend
00:06:52and colleague, Avish Grintzay published
00:06:54on i24,
00:06:56ah, he is dealing with you and you are kind of praising him.
00:07:00Yes, he published some correspondence
00:07:03between another correspondence between Eddie
00:07:06Flatstein and Yonatan Orich, about
00:07:09the story of Qatar, ah, which. We
00:07:12know that aides in the Prime Minister's Office worked for
00:07:15that country, and there is a complex country,
00:07:18yes, and then according to his publication
00:07:22he brought correspondence between
00:07:25Flatstein who tells the office staff how he
00:07:28managed to insert a nice headline here first publication now he did not
00:07:32mention my name to his credit and here you are revealing for the first time that it's about you
00:07:35yes because anyone who googles it and types this headline
00:07:38that the Americans that the Americans asked
00:07:41Qatar. That the funeral of Anya who is under the protection
00:07:44of Israel in Iran the Americans asked Qatar that the funeral of Ismail
00:07:48I, yes, take place in Qatar and not
00:07:51in Iran ah and Qatar agreed to the
00:07:55American request so what was behind the scenes if it's already exposed it's
00:07:59not customary to expose all sorts of behind-the-scenes stories our relations
00:08:02with sources and all but here the story was exposed so what really happened
00:08:06I say it with pride not because
00:08:09what happened let's just say until now we saw and Grintz'.
00:08:12Your friend, ah, published it in a very
00:08:15ah, extensive, and embarrassing way,
00:08:19that journalists just regurgitated everything that Flatstein
00:08:23gave them, because they saw him as a reliable source, allegedly
00:08:26a spokesman for the Prime Minister, and many of those publications actually
00:08:30turned out to be fake, unreal, as they called it,
00:08:34an invention by Sharol Kinorn, the one who
00:08:36works in Serbia, by Flatstein or Orich or someone, yes, they sit,
00:08:40imagined all sorts of scenarios that could have happened. And then told
00:08:43people like Roi Sharon, say
00:08:46that the Americans are angry with the Egyptians and really
00:08:50like the Qataris, all sorts of things like that, and then what?
00:08:53And here you are giving him a masterclass Roi, of what a journalist
00:08:57should do in such situations, yes, I'll say it in
00:09:00a word, but what really happened is that this information came
00:09:04to me from Mr. Flatstein, and then I turned to our excellent political
00:09:08correspondent, Gili Cohen, and I said to her, this story came
00:09:12out. Not some big scoop, not some Pulitzer, but it can be mentioned
00:09:15in one of the stripes, one of the paragraphs in the evening edition
00:09:19about the funeral event, but let's check, but let's check this
00:09:23information, let's cross-reference, even though it's from a spokesman from the Prime
00:09:27Minister's Office, you supposedly I can even
00:09:30say good, you get information from the Prime Minister's Office, you can't always cross-reference
00:09:34it, because he's really exposed to a lot of secret information, we checked this information,
00:09:38Gili Cohen checked it with her sources, who could
00:09:41be Americans. Could be Qataris, ah, and after
00:09:44an hour or two she came back to me and told me, indeed
00:09:47the information is correct.
00:09:50Indeed, the information was broadcast, and then it's okay for them to boast that they managed
00:09:54to get a headline into the main news with the correct information, you know, it's
00:09:58enjoyable and not lacking, he did his
00:10:00job.
00:10:02He served whoever pays his salary, yes, whoever pays his
00:10:05salary, you got a story that is true, yes, no
00:10:08problem. These relationships also with the external parties who get paid for it. This
00:10:12is a relationship that is accepted in the media
00:10:16as long as this information is indeed correct, ah, what is sad here
00:10:20is that among other things, okay, there are sadder things than that,
00:10:23but when you get a story
00:10:26from the Prime Minister's spokesperson. And you need to cross-reference it, because it
00:10:30really turned out that there were many such publications, many, so-called
00:10:33leaks, but inventions of untrue stories,
00:10:37that came out of the Prime Minister's Office and reached broadcast, as if
00:10:41it was solid information. Here there are two issues, here he doesn't tell you, I tell you
00:10:44on behalf of Netanyahu that such and such, he says
00:10:47the Americans asked the Qataris, which
00:10:50allegedly does not concern his job,
00:10:54he uses his hat
00:10:58because he sits in the Prime Minister's Office, it is a place exposed to a lot of
00:11:02information, not just things related, but when you talk to
00:11:04Flatstein, Eli Flatstein, yes, what
00:11:08is he to you? The Prime Minister's spokesman, he is the Prime Minister's spokesman, yes,
00:11:12he was the Prime Minister's spokesman during the war. It was published at the beginning of the war
00:11:16that he was said to be a spokesman for military reporters or something like that,
00:11:20ah, and therefore he, I don't know if it was really limited to military reporters, probably
00:11:23not according to you. We had a conversation with Sharol Kinorn's
00:11:27lawyer a few months ago, when all
00:11:30this story really made headlines, and then he said, "Journalists are to blame,
00:11:34they didn't ask at any given moment the
00:11:38person they were talking to, on whose behalf he was speaking."
00:11:41The person works in the Prime Minister's Office, he is the Prime Minister's
00:11:44spokesman, he briefs, he connects you to the Prime Minister,
00:11:48sometimes that also happened. So you know
00:11:51that you are getting information from the source, you don't always. You
00:11:55don't even really have the tools to check it. Here, in such cases, there really
00:11:59was an opportunity, and that's what we did, we checked, we cross-referenced it with
00:12:02the Qataris or with the Americans, Gili Cohen cross-referenced it
00:12:05and came back, and the information was indeed correct. But sometimes you
00:12:09get information that only the Prime Minister and I don't know, and the Head
00:12:12of the Mossad are privy to, and here you have no way to check it. Who
00:12:16will you call, the Head of a Mossad department? You don't. You have the Prime Minister's spokesman, allegedly you
00:12:19are supposed to trust him. That's not the situation in our days.
00:12:23This is the beginning
00:12:28of the leaks scandal in the last
00:12:3024 hours. There were here, we will talk, we will talk
00:12:34in the coming hour
00:12:36about the leak, the publication of the correspondence,
00:12:40allegedly, we need to say allegedly because you don't know if it's
00:12:44really 100% of what
00:12:47Yonatan Orich corresponded with his people,
00:12:50his friends, his close associates, his colleagues. You also don't know
00:12:54what
00:12:55the was done to it along the way, but we will talk
00:12:57about this leak with someone who knows
00:13:02mechanism, the mechanism of all these things that I already really feel
00:13:06old about, because the technology just arrived and I already feel old
00:13:08about it, because I need to explain to you how an AI agent works
00:13:12that takes over your WhatsApp when you give it access to it, and then suddenly
00:13:15all your conversations are on the internet. Yes,
00:13:19I'm looking for a leak, by the way, for anyone who has it, what was that boom on Saturday
00:13:22night at the Northern Command? There was
00:13:26some unidentified object there, the warning systems
00:13:30were activated, and there's even documentation of it that
00:13:33looks like something between bags, balloons, an alien,
00:13:37a flying saucer, I don't know, and until now they haven't been able to figure it out,
00:13:41what is this thing. Anyone who has an idea, anyone who has
00:13:44information, is welcome to contact us and gladly, good, and soon
00:13:48we'll also be with Rubsky who brought details about
00:13:51the arrest of a mayor
00:13:53from the center suspected of things that mayors
00:13:56are usually suspected of, ah, we won't say who it is, but
00:14:00good, let's go to politics, in a moment, the elections,
00:14:03the polls indicate a continuous,
00:14:06interesting trend of weakening, what is called
00:14:10the Gantz bloc and strengthening, what is called the Netanyahu
00:14:13bloc. Two pollsters with us, Shmuel
00:14:17Rosner, from the "Hamadad" website and a pollster for Channel 13 News, hello
00:14:20Rosner, hello good morning, and Dudi Hassid, our pollster here
00:14:23for Kan News with. A poll that indicates
00:14:27for the first time with you, right, Dudi, for the first time Netanyahu's
00:14:31bloc overtakes Gantz's bloc.
00:14:34Ah, yes, right, good morning. How many?
00:14:3853 seats for Netanyahu's
00:14:40bloc and 50 for Gantz's bloc
00:14:44in the last poll. Again, it needs
00:14:47to be said, the difference between this and previous
00:14:50polls we saw is mainly
00:14:53the transition of Ben-Gvir.
00:14:57And in this situation, Netanyahu's bloc wins two seats,
00:15:00that's actually the big difference from our last poll. In our last
00:15:04poll, Ben-Gvir was not in the Knesset
00:15:07before, not the one from yesterday, the previous one, yes, yes, the previous one
00:15:11wasn't there, and then this change leads us to a situation
00:15:15where there is an advantage for the coalition
00:15:18bloc in this matter, of course, very fragile
00:15:21due to the differences in the parties that are below
00:15:25and above the electoral threshold, the two main parties. Wait, what was the word you used?
00:15:29Fragile. Fragile, yes, because
00:15:33after all, if I see Ben-Gvir is currently
00:15:35at
00:15:373.3%, and the electoral threshold is
00:15:403.25, we need to treat these things
00:15:43with caution, and generally for parties that are at four and even five
00:15:47seats. Wait, what happens then if Ben-Gvir doesn't pass the electoral threshold, if
00:15:50the 3.3 turns out
00:15:52to be 3.24?
00:15:56Then we would return to the situation we saw last time of 52
00:16:0051 in favor, which is
00:16:02about two people, let's say two or three people who participated in your
00:16:06poll, exactly, it's not exactly like that,
00:16:09but yes, it's a relatively small change. Wait, Eden
00:16:12and Zliha, in which bloc do you count them?
00:16:16You count them, meaning when I say you, I mean the media in general,
00:16:20count them outside the blocs. If we were to put
00:16:23them inside Gantz's bloc, then of course the picture changes, and they pass in yesterday's
00:16:27poll, yes, they pass. Rosner, how is it
00:16:30with you?
00:16:33My last poll was last Wednesday and it's quite similar
00:16:37to Dudi's poll from yesterday with some differences.
00:16:41With us, the gap was 55-50.
00:16:44Ben-Gvir passed the electoral threshold but Hendel and Zliha did not
00:16:48pass the electoral threshold and there is also a consistent
00:16:51gap between our polls for several
00:16:55weeks that we give a bit more
00:16:57seats to the bloc of Arab parties than
00:17:01what happens in the polls of
00:17:03Kan, but beyond that, I think. The picture overall is
00:17:07a very similar picture in both polls, there is close
00:17:10to equality between the two large parties,
00:17:13both of which, by the way, are not very large, meaning both are in the range
00:17:16of 20 or 20-something seats, so these are the two
00:17:20main parties and they are quite close, the two blocs are quite
00:17:23close right now, both with us and with Dudi, with
00:17:27a slight advantage for the coalition, two
00:17:30parties on the verge of the electoral threshold that sometimes pass
00:17:33and sometimes don't pass, take all of this together
00:17:36and the picture that emerges is a very
00:17:40clear picture and I would say for several weeks now it's also
00:17:44quite stable. How
00:17:46do you explain the rise of Ben-Gvir? Is it possible that the campaign
00:17:50that Netanyahu is waging against him actually strengthens him among a certain
00:17:53base? Listen, I don't know if it's a rise or not a rise,
00:17:57meaning we see Ben-Gvir rising and falling below the electoral
00:18:01threshold week after week and poll after poll, sometimes
00:18:04more, sometimes less. It's possible that in fact. All the time
00:18:08in the same situation that we attribute all sorts
00:18:11of interpretations to, but in fact it's a party
00:18:14that is close to the electoral threshold, and therefore by virtue
00:18:17of the statistical noise of sampling in polls, it sometimes
00:18:21passes the electoral threshold and sometimes falls below the electoral threshold. I'm
00:18:25not sure that this reflects any major trends
00:18:28related to what Netanyahu says or what he says or whether people tell him
00:18:32to leave or not to leave. This is, again, these are
00:18:35things we want to attribute meaning to numbers, but
00:18:39sometimes numbers have no meaning, sometimes there's just a party, it's somewhere
00:18:43between 2.5%
00:18:45and 5%, and sometimes it's a little more and sometimes it's
00:18:49a little less, and so it will be on election day, either it will pass or it
00:18:53won't pass. From your experience when there were polls
00:18:56in previous election campaigns, parties that wavered a little
00:19:00above and a little below the electoral threshold, what was their fate
00:19:03in the end in the actual results? Usually it must be said.
00:19:08They did not pass, since the electoral threshold is
00:19:103.25, I think that the new
00:19:14small party, at least, that passed
00:19:17was Kulanu of Kahlon
00:19:21and in all other cases, yes,
00:19:24and in all other places, in all other situations,
00:19:27almost the small party, the small party of Bennett that
00:19:31when he led it, became prime minister with six seats, yes, ah, right, right,
00:19:35okay, that was really, but we also had. In a sense
00:19:47the small parties tend to suffer, at least since
00:19:51the electoral threshold is so high.
00:19:54Explain for a moment, in recent months, what we see in
00:19:58this last poll by Dudi
00:20:01that was hailed as a turnaround in favor of Netanyahu, what actually happened here? What
00:20:05happened in recent months? Weakened?
00:20:16So we're talking about orders of magnitude of
00:20:2013 to 15
00:20:23seats added to the count, two parties that pass,
00:20:27and the change that happened with the Arab parties, so there's a debate
00:20:31exactly how much that is and who passes and who doesn't pass, but in the end these are
00:20:35the numbers that.
00:20:46At least three more mandates, say four.
00:20:50Average, let's start looking at it, we understand
00:20:53that there's a numerical amount that has been included,
00:20:56that has been included in our calculation, so there are also
00:20:59technical issues within this thing, I'm trying to understand
00:21:03why there's a lot of talk now.
00:21:06The interpretive spirit of political commentators is to say it's
00:21:09a laugh at Gantz's campaign or at Gantz's non-campaign,
00:21:13they don't control the agenda, they don't see him, they're
00:21:16playing defensively, it's possible nothing happened.
00:21:20That simply what happened is not that Netanyahu's bloc is strengthening, but rather
00:21:23that people outside Gantz's bloc suddenly
00:21:26appeared. First of all, Netanyahu's bloc is not strengthening much,
00:21:30we showed it with 53 and 54 seats also
00:21:33two months ago, yes, strengthening
00:21:36in relation to Gantz, meaning, yes, yes, so first of all, that's what
00:21:40else happened and can really be pointed to
00:21:43is some strengthening in voter
00:21:46turnout. We don't really know voter turnout, but what we see
00:21:50in the polls is the willingness to vote among coalition supporters, there was also
00:21:54a positive change for them, and these
00:21:57things together are much more significant than some weakness
00:22:00regardless, meaning it's not that people left it, it's not that voters left
00:22:04Gantz, Lapid, Bennett, and so on,
00:22:08not in such significant numbers, no. Rosner, with you, is there any
00:22:12further movement between the blocs or those who are undecided between
00:22:15the blocs or are all the hesitations people within
00:22:18the bloc? There are movements, but these movements are a trickle
00:22:22or a drip, meaning, these are not the significant
00:22:25numbers that are currently shaping
00:22:29the bloc picture. We did see some movement when Ofer Ben-Gvir's
00:22:33party was established, so it attracted some
00:22:36voters, mainly from the areas of Yisrael Beiteinu
00:22:40and Liberman, meaning some distinct right-wing
00:22:43voters who were in the change bloc, found in Ben-Gvir
00:22:46a more convenient solution for them, ah, ah.
00:22:50Compared to the explicit change bloc parties,
00:22:53but I, I accept what Dudi says,
00:22:56and that's the picture that emerges from the polls, the main change
00:23:00happened when the lists were closed at the beginning of
00:23:03September, the triple Arab list
00:23:06united, the Joint List, and then we saw
00:23:10for the first time what the map
00:23:13of parties would look like. It must be said, this is a map with many
00:23:16parties, currently there are 13 parties nominated
00:23:20for the Knesset, that's a lot of parties, if all of them pass the electoral
00:23:23threshold and you have to divide the mandates among all of them, then
00:23:27naturally each party will get fewer mandates. B. From the moment
00:23:30there is a bloc of Arab parties that we
00:23:33agree is numerically more like 15
00:23:37than 10, and it takes
00:23:40mandates that we don't count in any bloc, then you
00:23:43start the division of mandates into blocs from around 105 mandates
00:23:47instead of 120 mandates and also. This greatly reduces the
00:23:50ceiling. These are the significant major
00:23:54changes that happened in recent weeks. The inter-bloc
00:23:57shift is currently really a shift
00:24:00in very very small numbers. I don't think it should be given
00:24:04any dramatic importance. I, if I have to
00:24:07say, if I have to prophesy, and pollsters are not prophets, they
00:24:11look at today's picture, but if I have to prophesy based on what we've
00:24:15seen in recent weeks. I also don't think there will be a very large shift between
00:24:19the blocs. There might be an increase in voter
00:24:22turnout in certain places, although even
00:24:26now it already looks very high. Beyond that, I don't anticipate dramatic
00:24:29changes. Last question, I saw
00:24:32that social
00:24:34companies, and I'd be happy to hear your perspectives, there's a
00:24:38claim that says, and I really don't understand anything in this field that you deal
00:24:42with numerically, a claim that says, what, you have to
00:24:46give the raw data of the polls to the Central
00:24:48Elections Committee, it's open for all to see, and then you give
00:24:52the results on TV channels where you actually work. There's a claim that says
00:24:56that from this raw data you can derive all sorts of results and not necessarily
00:25:00the result you arrived at?
00:25:03Rosner?
00:25:05The answer is you can make anything out of anything, but if you ask me if
00:25:09you can recreate what we do without
00:25:13knowing how we do it, then the answer is no. Meaning you can take the
00:25:16raw material and decide to go wild with it in 100 ways. You
00:25:20can decide that for every Shas voter
00:25:24you give 10 times the weight of every Likud voter, and then you'll get
00:25:27a very good result for Shas. No, and why would I do such a thing?
00:25:31Right, why would you do it? Look, ultimately
00:25:34pollsters are like chefs, you get
00:25:37a plum cake. Now if you ask me for the list of ingredients,
00:25:41you'll get a list of ingredients, but if you don't know how much of each ingredient to put
00:25:44and where and when to put it in the batter. But in the raw data there isn't how much
00:25:47of each ingredient to put. The raw data doesn't say I polled
00:25:51700 people and this is
00:25:54what they answered and therefore the only result is the plum cake you served
00:25:58on TV in the news?
00:26:00The raw data doesn't give you the formula, which is to some extent
00:26:04the secret recipe that every
00:26:07pollster uses when he decides how to divide
00:26:10the votes according to what percentage of turnout, according to what
00:26:14weight, what sector, according to, there are many many things
00:26:17that go into the calculation of a poll
00:26:20that, sorry, Einon asks me, I already have to understand this
00:26:24question, meaning that the secret recipe is
00:26:28related to you and how you
00:26:31see the.
00:26:41From what they gave them in the polls because they lie in the exit polls,
00:26:44they lie.
00:26:46That's not true, let's put it aside for a moment. No, that's not true, historically it's not true, it's
00:26:50a terrible urban legend, a very nice one. I invite everyone to go and check
00:26:53the last five elections and check
00:26:57where there were more deviations. When they find out that there were more deviations
00:27:00in favor of the coalition, then
00:27:10from the raw data to the result, you incorporate your understanding
00:27:13of the political reality? From the raw data to the result, I don't,
00:27:16I don't incorporate an understanding of the political reality,
00:27:20but I do have to incorporate all sorts of,
00:27:23in the raw data there are many variables that need to be taken
00:27:27into account, and every pollster, according to their experience, according to their understanding
00:27:31of the data, according to... their decision of what weight
00:27:34to give to what data, again, it's not
00:27:37that we're waving a finger in the air and saying which way the wind
00:27:41is blowing or reading the political interpretation and working
00:27:44accordingly, but you need to decide what weight you give to religiosity
00:27:48versus education, what weight you give to income
00:27:52versus geographical location. There are many variables
00:27:55that you take into account and every pollster in that sense does their job
00:27:59their own way and therefore the results sometimes. Even from raw data
00:28:03can be a little different, but whoever does
00:28:06a reasonable job will not get wildly different results, I say
00:28:10wildly, they will get slightly different results. Shmuel
00:28:13Rosner, Channel 13 News, Dudi Hassid here for Kan News, thank
00:28:17you very much, next time if possible, not just plum cake,
00:28:20slightly more realistic examples, I don't know, what plum cake? What do you want?
00:28:24Strudel, okay, strudel, there are better cakes, I thought you'd aim high,
00:28:28you tell me, not plum cake,
00:28:30strudel, what?
00:28:34שזיפים פחזניות זעזועים או בבקשה דיווחי
00:28:37It's clear. IBI House
00:28:41of Investments IBI. IBI.
00:28:44The aforementioned does not constitute investment marketing and a commitment to achieve
00:29:01congestion from Gan Raveh Interchange to Bar Ilan Interchange. On the Tel Aviv
00:29:04Jerusalem road, traffic congestion from Ben Shemen Interchange to Anaba Interchange.
00:29:08After the commercials, we'll have this leak of WhatsApps that we won't
00:29:11have. Enough. Come on.
00:29:13Urikh, wait. But when are we? We're having this conversation with
00:29:17Yon Sarusi live now. What, when is this? When is the leak of
00:29:21the messages? After the next commercials. So,
00:29:25after these commercials, we'll find out who is the mayor suspected
00:29:29of a good thing. More traffic reports soon.
00:29:33With investments, it's clear. IBI House of Investments. IBI.
00:29:36IBI. The aforementioned does not constitute investment marketing
00:29:40and a commitment to achieve returns.
00:29:43We'll be right back with Asaf Lieberman and Roi
00:29:46Sharon here on News
00:29:56Money. A perfect journey awaits us. You'll
00:30:00have extreme fun, friends. Walking. On the way, by the sea.
00:30:03Bamboo.
00:30:08The plan is to go from 500 shekels to 12.
00:30:11The tension is double, the drama is double, and the money, a correct
00:30:15guess, is double. We came
00:30:18to sell.
00:30:21It's hard, it's hard for me. Listen, listen,
00:30:25listen, I don't like this
00:30:28conduct. Double the Money,
00:30:31a new competition. Tonight after the news
00:30:35on Kan 11 and Kan Box. Welcome to Tavor. I ordered
00:30:39four.
00:30:40ראש
00:30:44Egghead. Wow, what a bald spot.
00:30:48200 years ago, what would they say to people with Tourette's?
00:30:51They'd throw them into the fire.
00:30:54I suddenly start screaming. The teacher yells at me, "If he's not in the class, Daniel, stop
00:30:58barking and get out
00:30:59of the class."
00:31:02I used to hit walls and eat my hands. Adam,
00:32:45Unforgettable here in a special memorial project
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00:32:52Itay Chen was a happy
00:32:56child who grew up to be a happy and full
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00:33:02of attention. He only breakdanced, performed
00:33:05magic tricks with cards, played basketball, climbed
00:33:09walls, and loved to sit with friends for a good hamburger, but
00:33:12God forbid without ketchup.
00:33:16Itay was a leading guide in the youth movement of the Mishatzim,
00:33:20where he met his girlfriend, Netta Simon. Netta and Itay
00:33:23became inseparable and dreamed of the big trip after
00:33:27the army and studies in New York. Despite a previous
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00:33:34was no one prouder than him of his service as a fighter.
00:33:38On October 7th, Itay fought a heroic battle with
00:33:41his tank mates. Sergeant Tomer Leibovich, Captain
00:33:45Daniel Peretz, and First Sergeant Matan Engrest. He
00:33:49prevented many terrorists from entering the Gaza Envelope communities and deep into
00:33:52Israel until they were hit. Sergeant Tomer
00:33:55Lipovitz was killed. Itay, who was later known
00:33:59to have been killed on the same day, was abducted with Daniel
00:34:02and Matan. Two endless years later, he
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00:34:08alongside his commander Daniel Peretz returned
00:34:12to his loved ones for eternal rest.
00:34:45You're talking about a corruption case in the area. You'll say which area.
00:34:48I don't want to get into trouble. Dialing code.
00:34:51Yes, there will be arrest warrants, and then the city's name
00:34:54will also be revealed. But what's more important is the scale of
00:34:58this case in terms of the amount of money
00:35:01and the extent of corruption. And I'll explain. We're talking about a very
00:35:04large case that's being investigated together, and today it reached the stage
00:35:07of arrests. At the center of the case are a mayor, at the center
00:35:11is his wife, the CEO of the economic company, and also a number
00:35:14of businesspeople. Criminal elements, developers, a total
00:35:17of 24 were arrested and detained,
00:35:20with a systematic bribery mechanism at the center of this investigation,
00:35:24a significant one that is managed by the mayor's
00:35:27wife, and this happens in cash, which in itself
00:35:30is very, very unusual in cases of local authorities.
00:35:33We're talking about,
00:35:36the unusual thing is that his wife is involved or the cash. No, no,
00:35:39no, no, the cash is very unusual. All the cases we've seen until now, it's
00:35:43bribery that's transferred in a way
00:35:46that's laundered through various benefits
00:35:49and such, but here, what they uncovered
00:35:52together, and these things were documented both through their means
00:35:56וגם בהזנות סטר, ספירת הכסף, זה שיזמים,
00:35:59to directly transfer packages of
00:36:03cash to her in exchange for promoting
00:36:06their interests. And in essence, the mechanism works like this: Business
00:36:09people know that to promote their interests, to win
00:36:12tenders in the municipality,
00:36:15in almost every possible field, whether it's businesses, urban renewal,
00:36:19sports, transportation, cleaning, entertainment events, tenders
00:36:22worth millions, to promote this, they contact the mayor's
00:36:26wife, who manages all the affairs,
00:36:29and she is the one who also receives the money in cash, and that's how
00:36:33their affairs are promoted. And to bypass
00:36:37the municipal oversight mechanisms, the city council,
00:36:40and other mechanisms, sensitive tenders, including tenders
00:36:44in which the mayor wanted to hide from the council a tender for a preferred
00:36:47business, were transferred to the economic company for improvement
00:36:51by the CEO of the economic company, who is also surprisingly
00:36:54and ironically in contact with the mayor's wife. What did he get?
00:37:03of cash in the mayor's house or something
00:37:07related to the mayor? Yes. We're talking about several hundred thousand
00:37:10shekels in total that have currently been found in all the places that are
00:37:14related to it, beyond the documentation. Is there any explanation or was there
00:37:17any any
00:37:21pretense for this money? The mayor's wife says, "I
00:37:24didn't receive it because I have, I don't know, no."
00:37:57The defense claims will naturally be presented, which raises the suspicion of
00:38:00the investigation, as part of the surveillance they are conducting as part of the ongoing
00:38:04investigation, that the mayor and his wife also live a lifestyle
00:38:07that is far beyond their expected financial capacity, not
00:38:11something that you are supposed to finance from a mayor's
00:38:14salary. And also that there are enormous amounts of cash purchases
00:38:18of jewelry and clothing and expensive
00:38:20watches
00:38:22and cars, luxury vehicles, and much more, and things that are taken
00:38:26abroad with cash. These are very, very large amounts. So,
00:38:30currently, what is emerging in the investigation is hundreds of thousands
00:38:33of shekels in cash, but it could very well be, especially given the scale
00:38:37of the purchases and the scale of the investigations,
00:38:41that it is something a bit more significant
00:38:44than that. And what else emerges here is that there is involvement of various
00:38:47criminal elements who are known in that city, who are
00:38:51also a kind of vote brokers and helped the mayor
00:38:54get elected. And their
00:38:59name comes up in the investigation as those who even sometimes exert
00:39:02pressure on other bidders in tenders, telling them
00:39:05not to compete. And that's how this
00:39:09mechanism succeeds in
00:39:12working, both because certain business people are promoted, and because others
00:39:16don't really want to deal with it. Tell me, do you have any idea how many heads of local authorities in Israel have
00:39:20some cloud and suspicions around them? Were they arrested,
00:39:23released, indictment or no indictment? You confuse
00:39:26me, but in.
00:39:50Or when they see a judge in a court hearing today, there are hearings
00:39:54in the Magistrates' Court in Rishon LeZion, and therefore after this hearing. I assume that the name
00:39:58will be more public, and also the city, and also the mayor's wife.
00:40:02Also the mayor's wife. Yes. Both of them, both of them are being brought for
00:40:05arrest. Yes, yes. Unless, I say, unless the judge
00:40:08decides otherwise regarding their name. I don't believe that will happen because of public
00:40:12interest, especially at a very, very high level when it comes to the head of the authority
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00:41:41Welcome to Double the Money.
00:41:44A perfect journey awaits us. It's going to be fun, friends.
00:41:48Walking
00:41:48on the path.
00:41:54The plan is to reach from 500 shekels to 12.
00:41:58The tension is double, the drama is double, and the money, a correct
00:42:02guess, is double. We came to sell, to sell,
00:42:05to sell. It's hard, it's hard
00:42:09for me. Listen, listen, listen, I'm
00:42:13fed up, I don't like this behavior.
00:42:16Double the Money, a new reality competition. Tonight
00:42:20after the news, on Kan 11 and Kan
00:42:23Box. You forgot to check if the freezer door is open all
00:42:27night?
00:42:29To check if you locked the freezer, to check
00:42:31if you locked it.
00:42:33You broke it. I don't understand why I tolerate you. You don't have to be friends. I feel
00:42:37like the child whose parents will demand.
00:43:42Shalom, do you have to give up already?
00:43:45Shalom, Saturday night after a meeting
00:43:49on Kan 11 and Kan Box. Welcome
00:43:53to Tavor, I invited
00:43:54four.
00:43:58Egghead. Wow, what a
00:44:00bald spot.
00:44:03200 years ago, what would they say to people with Tourette's?
00:44:06Throw them into the fire?
00:44:09Stop
00:44:13barking and get out of the class.
00:44:15Wow. I used to hit walls and eat
00:44:19my hands. Adam,
00:44:21Adam. Daniel really does.
00:44:25שלוש דקות הרצאה ו-42 דקות
00:44:29טבו עם חנוך דאון מחר
00:44:32בקאן 11 ובקאן בוקס כסף עם
00:44:35אגם רודברג ערב הפתיחה הערב בקאן 11'.
00:44:45אנחנו כאן,
00:44:48מה עכשיו אתה שואל? בוא אני אגיד לך מה עכשיו? אנחנו חוזרים
00:44:50לכותרת
00:44:53מיום שישי שעשתה הרבה מאוד רעש במוסף לשבת,
00:44:56חן ארט יסרור הביעה את המחקר
00:44:59הזה, אה, מחקר שמבוסס על נתוני משרד האוצר,
00:45:02משרד החינוך, שמראה שבעוד ארבע שנים על פי המגמה
00:45:06הנוכחית יהיו יותר תלמידי כיתה א'.
00:45:10בחינוך החרדי מאשר בזרם הממלכתי
00:45:13עברי כבר בעוד שנתיים
00:45:16ב-28, 2028 רוב הילדים שיכנסו לבטה
00:45:20ספר ילמדו מוסדות שחן
00:45:22מגדירה עינם שותפים לאטוס הציוני ואתה שואל איפה זה פוגש
00:45:26אותך אם אם אתה רוצה שזאת תהיה השאלה הזו יכולה להיות השאלה בוא
00:45:30נדבר עם אלי מורגנשטרן מנכל חברת אמפייר
00:45:33הוא היה בעבר רכז חינוך באגף התקציבים באוצר
00:45:37והוא חתום על המחקר הזה שלום אלי מורגנשטיין. שלום,
00:45:41בוקר טוב, שלומך, מה? אני מצוין,
00:45:44איך אתם? איך אתה רועי? אני
00:45:47גם, אתה בסדר? כן, אין תלונות. תן רגע את המוטיבציה
00:45:51לעריכת המחקר.
00:45:53אה, אני עוסק בסיפור של חינוך כבר מאז שהייתי רק חינוך
00:45:57באדף תקציבים, ובעיקר במדיניות
00:46:00חינוך, מנסה להבין מה אנחנו עושים נכון ומה אנחנו
00:46:03צריכים לשנות. וכשמסתכלים על הנתונים אז
00:46:07דברים שחשבנו שיקרו בעוד עשרות שנים.
00:46:15שואלים אותי פה אם אתה על אוזניה או על ספיקר כדי שנוכל לשמוע אותך כמו שצריך לא
00:46:19אני דווקא מחזיק את הטלפון ביד הכי קרוב שאני יכול
00:46:22אוקיי אז מה איך נערכים לזה מה
00:46:25מה מה אתה מציע בעצם אז
00:46:29האמת שבמשך שנים המדינה בנתה על זה שיש
00:46:32איזה אוכלוסיה קטנה אוכלוסיה
00:46:35של החינוך העצמאי מקום
00:46:37המדינה נתנה לו. באוטונומיה להתנהל
00:46:41לבד אה ובנדה על כל מיני תהליכים
00:46:44שלאורך שנים עוד מעט עוד מעט תיפטר עוד מעט
00:46:47יפטר ומסתבר שה עוד מעט יפתר זה אומר כי עוד מעט החברה החרדית תשתלב
00:46:51והם כולם. יעברו תהליך של ישראליזציה ויבאו
00:46:55לחינוך הממלכתי וילמדו לימודי ליבה ויהיו
00:46:58and through hidden recordings, counting
00:47:02the money, is that developers, business owners, and criminals used
00:47:06יש אמירה כזאת של זה תהליכים
00:47:09תהליכים רק תנו קצת צבלנות רק אל תתערבו והכל יהיה
00:47:12בסדר ואתם תראו שזה מסתדר
00:47:16ולמעשה המתגמה הקדימה את זמנה
00:47:19בהרבה
00:47:21כאילו חושב ש'. שווה להדגיש שהמגמה היא
00:47:24בעיקר ירידה בילודה בחברה הכללית, כן, כאילו
00:47:28החברה החרדית גדלה באותו קטע, זה איזה שינוי חדש
00:47:32מהשנים האחרונות, החברה הכללית כנראה
00:47:35יולדת הרבה פחות ממה שהייתה בעבר,
00:47:39ומה? וחרדים חוזרים פחות בשאלה?
00:47:42לא יודע אם פחות, פשוט קצב הגידול הדמוגרפי הוא מאוד
00:47:46מהיר, אנחנו מדברים על 4%, כמעט 4%
00:47:49בשנה, לעומת אפס.
00:47:56אין בעיה, אנחנו אוהבים ילדים באשר
00:47:59הם, וגם מבוגרים, המבוגרים אנחנו עובים פחות מאשר
00:48:03ילדים באופן כללי, אבל אנחים ילדים באשר הם, אין בעיה עם זה
00:48:06שקבוצה מסוימת בחברה הישראלית עושה ילדים יותר
00:48:10מאחרות, הבעיה וגם אתה מדגיש את זה
00:48:13במחקר שלך, הבעיה זה איזה חינוך הם מקבלים ואיזה
00:48:16אוטונומיה הם יוצרים לעצמם בתוך האקוסיסטם של
00:48:20החברה הישראלית, נכון מאוד. צריך ממש
00:48:23להדגיש את זה שלאף אחד אין בעיה עם זה שגם ברור
00:48:27שאנחנו אוהבים ילדים ואנחנו גם אוהבים את
00:48:31שכל אחד יבחר את אורח חייו הוא יכול להישאר
00:48:34ללמוד בחינוך חרדי ולהישאר בתוך
00:48:37החברה החרדית לאף אחד אין סיבה להתערב
00:48:41בזה אבל כן צריך שיוכל להשתלב בחברה הישראלית
00:48:44וזה אומר גם לימודי ליבה גם לימודי אזרחות גם
00:48:48השתלבות בשבות נסיעה בנטל
00:48:51הצבאי. בלי זה לא יהיה לנו חיילים בעוד לא כל כך הרבה
00:48:55שנים, לא יהיה מי שיעשה את השירות הצבאי ולא יהיה מי
00:48:59שיעשה את מי שימאמן את כל העלויות של המחיה
00:49:02פה, ואתה כמי שגדל בחברה החרדית, אתה מכיר את החברה החרדית
00:49:06מבפנים בעצמך היית חרדי פעם, יש לך איזה רעיון
00:49:09שמשהו שאולי כן יכול
00:49:12לשחרר את המעגל הזה ונגיד
00:49:16להרחיב את המגמה לקדם את המגמה של
00:49:19התרחבות של החברה. חרדית לתוך
00:49:23הציונות, לתוך האתוס הציוני, לתוך החינוך
00:49:26הממלכתי? אני חושב שהמדינה צריכה להתחיל
00:49:30להתייחס לאזרחים החרדים כאזרחים
00:49:33בלי קשר לשיוך הדתי שלהם, היא צריכה
00:49:37לוודא שחוק הוא חוק לכולם ושוויון וכל
00:49:40הכללים וכל השירותים שהמדינה נותנת, כמו
00:49:44גם הציפיות שהמדינה מצפה מהעזרכים הם זהים, כמו
00:49:47שילד בחינוך הכללי הולך לבית ספר, לומד
00:49:51על הערכים. של מדינת ישראל לומד
00:49:55איך צריך להשתלב ואיך צריך לקחת לסת
00:49:58לסת במסע של ה של החיים פה
00:50:01להיות נסת בנפל ככה גם כל ילד חרדי מצופן
00:50:05לעשות את זה הוא צריך להשתתף במבחנים כמו כולם הוא צריך
00:50:08להיות חלק וכנראה שצריך גם שהחינוך
00:50:11יהיה ישיר על ידי הממשלה ולא באמצעות מטווחים אבל
00:50:15תגיד מה שאתה מגדיר אני מסתכל על על
00:50:18הפילוג
00:50:20ב-2030'. אז שאתה מדבר על זה
00:50:24שה, בחינוך החרדי יותר מאשר
00:50:27הזרם הממלכתי עברי ה-29.2%
00:50:30שאתה צופה ל-20, כלומר שנתונים צופים ל-2030 לעומת
00:50:3428.8% בממלכתי עברי,
00:50:37ה-29 ומשהו אחוזים של החינוך
00:50:40החרדי, מה קורה בהם? זה זה מקשה
00:50:43אחת, זה אתה יכול להגיד כל הכמעט 30% האלה,
00:50:47אלה תלמידים שלא ילמדו
00:50:50ליבה, שלא יהיו שותפים לאט. ציוני שלא ילמדו
00:50:53אותם על בכלל על ציונות ועל ועל והחינוך
00:50:57לצבא? יש בתוך החינוך החרדי
00:51:00קבוצה של חינוך ממלכתי חרדי, היא קבוצה
00:51:04יחסית קטנה, היא עומדת על ציבעה
00:51:068%, זה דווקא קבוצה
00:51:09שכן לומדת לימודי ליבה, יש גם בתוך הממכתי
00:51:13חרדי קבוצות יותר חזקות, יותר ממכתיות, פחות
00:51:16ממחציות, אבל אני חושב שלהתעסק בפרטי פרטים זה
00:51:20קצת מיותר, בתמונה הגדולה.
00:51:23יש קבוצה שנאמה בחברה הישראלית שהולכת והופכת
00:51:26להיות רוב או רוב מהחברה
00:51:30מחוסיה היהודית שעדיין לא שם יש לה חתיכת פר שהיא צריכה
00:51:34לגשר עליו ושהחלק של המדינה פה
00:51:37הוא אקוטי כי להמשיך
00:51:40לעשות את זה דרך מתווכים ודרך גופים דרך גופים
00:51:44פוליטיים חינוך פוליטי דפקטו לתת
00:51:47למפלגות לחנך תלמידים לאורך שנים פשוט
00:51:51להוכיח את עצמו זה לא.
00:51:58גם מכיר את החברה החרדית בכוחו של מי
00:52:01לשנות את זה? זה
00:52:05צריך החלטת מדיניות מאוד מאוד אמיצה החלטת
00:52:09מדיניות שאומרת אנחנו מושכים את אנחנו מה מבטלים את
00:52:12הזרמים העצמאים הפרטיים כן כן או
00:52:15שכל אחד שרוצה ללמוד פרטי עשה את זה על חשבונו כמו שעושים את זה בכל מקום
00:52:19בעולם אבל לא שהמדינה את הממן
00:52:22חינוך אבל צעדים כאלה לא עלולים דווקא לעשות הפוך ולחזק עוד
00:52:25יותר את הממוסעד החרדי כי אם
00:52:28הרגישו שהם במאבק וכשיש מאבק אז אה כולם שם
00:52:32אין ספק שזה צעד קשה וכל צעד.
00:52:35שהוא יש בו רכיב של לימו כל רפורמה שאין לה מתנגדים היא כנראה
00:52:39לא טובה, רפורמה תמיד יהיו לה מתנגדים ותמיד היא תהיה
00:52:43קשה,
00:52:45ופה המדינה תצרך לקבל את ההחלטות
00:52:47האלה ו ולעמוד מאחוריהם, צריך לראות לאורך
00:52:51זמן שחינוך ציבורי, אגב, כלכלה
00:52:55עובדת בפרט באוכלוסיות פחות
00:52:57אשירות, ואין אפשרות לאף
00:53:01פילנטרופ ולאף גוף אה, אה,
00:53:24חינוך ציבורי בלבד לכולם והחינוך
00:53:27הפרטי מי שבוחר בכל זאת לעשות את זה ויש לו את המשאבים
00:53:31שיפה את זה אבל לא שהמדינה תממן את ה'. את
00:53:35ההתרזקות שלה בעצמה דרך חינוך
00:53:39פוליטי. אלי מורגנשטן, תודה רבה.
00:53:54הם. ראש העיר אשר חשוד
00:53:56ב- מה? זה היה נקרא חשוד בשוחד
00:53:59בקרב ממש חשוד בקבלת שוחד.
00:54:03הוא רעייתו. ומנכל החברה הכלכלית
00:54:07בעירו ובכן העיר היא חבר
00:54:31סר ראש העיר הגיב
00:54:33ואמר כך. אני מבין את הדאגה ואת השאלות בעקבות הפרסומים
00:54:37הבוקר, בכוונתי לשתף פעולה באופן מלא עם גורמי החקירה ולמסור את כל
00:54:41ההסברים הנדרשים, אני מאמין שהבירור יאפשר להציג את התמונה
00:54:44המלאה, ושל החקירה המתנהלת, איני יכול להתייחס כעת לפרטים,
00:54:48אני מבקש להימנע מעשקת מסכנות בטרמת ברור עובדות, סגני
00:54:52דני הרוש ימלא את מקומי בימים
00:54:54אלה, הודעה ממלכתית, נאחל
00:54:58לדני הרוש הצלחה רבה במילוי המקום, אם אתה צריך משהו בכל
00:55:01נוגע לכפר סבא, בימים הקרובים. דני
00:55:05ארוש בסדר יש תגובה גם אשת ראש
00:55:09העיר לא לא
00:55:21בלאגן תכלית
00:55:24אה עם אוריך לא עם אוריך עצמו לא לא גם לא עם
00:55:28הפרטים מתוך הוואטסא שלו כי זה אסור אני מדבר על המנגנון
00:55:32שיפשר לכאורה את הואת'. את הדבר
00:55:35הזה, ספק חוקי,
00:55:39ואם למישהו יש רעיון מה היה הבאם הזה במוצאי שבת
00:55:41בצפון, אין לנו כלום, הואטסאפ פה זה
00:55:450507358669,
00:55:47אם יצא לכם, מה אתה עכשיו מסתר מאחורי הזה, בטוויטר של
00:55:51אסף ליברמן, גם אפשר, מה עוד רציתי להגיד
00:55:54לך אני אהיה עם אידות מנדל בליד גם אתמול בבית המשפט,
00:55:57עוד זה ועוד וכל זה עוד
00:56:18של מכבי חיפה וחיילת משוחרת שחזרה הרגע מהטיול הגדול שלושתם
00:56:22ינסו להפוך למלך או מלכת הכברת שלנו שזו משימה לא פשוטה
00:56:25בכלל כמו שראינו אבל מעט אסטרטגיה קצת מהירות וגם אתם
00:56:29בדרך אל הכתר תאספו את המשפחה ותיומו למסך בשבע
00:56:32הכברת ברוכים הבאים ל'.
00:56:44לפני 200 שנה מה היו אומרים לאנשים שיש להם טורט?
00:56:48זורקים אותם לאש?
00:56:50אני פתאום מתחיל לצרוח זה מורה צועקת עלי הכיתה דניאל תפסיק
00:56:54לנבוח ועוף לי מהכיתה
00:56:56וואו הייתי מרביץ לקירות ואוכל את
00:57:00הידיים אדם אדם דניאל
00:57:04באמת עושה.
01:00:16Hello everyone.
01:00:22The central suspect in the corruption case in the center. Hadas Granberg
01:00:26joins us on the line. Hello Hadas. You have all the details and what can
01:00:30be said about this case. That's right, Shalom. Yes, we are talking about a new
01:00:33corruption case that is being exposed today by the investigation, in which
01:00:36the mayor of Kfar Saba, his wife, the CEO of the economic company,
01:00:40and other public figures and businesspeople were arrested, a total of 17
01:00:43arrests so far and seven detentions.
01:00:46This investigation actually began as a hidden
01:00:49investigation more than a year ago, and it revealed that tenders in the Kfar
01:00:53Saba municipality operated on a bribery basis in almost every possible field.
01:00:56Tenders that were given to cronies, to businesspeople, some of them also
01:01:00criminals. In exchange for this, the mayor's
01:01:02wife receives cash in packages,
01:01:05and that's how the system operated. Businesspeople
01:01:09or those people who wanted
01:01:12to enter tenders and win them contacted the mayor's wife,
01:01:15she ensured that they won the tenders, and if
01:01:19there was any problem in allowing them to win
01:01:22tenders, these tenders were transferred through
01:01:26the economic company. Everything was coordinated with the CEO of the economic
01:01:29company, as suspected, and there, as mentioned,
01:01:32they did not enter tenders. We are talking about later
01:01:35tenders that concerned. really in everything in projects
01:01:39for renovation of education masses, entertainment complexes, urban renewal
01:01:42and more and more. There are also religious Jews involved here on suspicion
01:01:46in a scandal. But they also
01:01:48pressured
01:01:53the mayor within the framework of those rigged tenders. When
01:01:56they saw that they might not win a certain tender, they also pressured
01:02:00the mayor's advisor and him. We are talking about
01:02:03an amount of bribe estimated
01:02:06in millions. In the mayor's house, hundreds of thousands of shekels were seized
01:02:09in bags in the bedroom, in pouches
01:02:12and more. We are talking about events that occurred, according to
01:02:16suspicion, since 2000 after he was elected mayor.
01:02:20And finally, the suspicions are fraud, breach of trust,
01:02:23insulting a public servant and tax offenses. Thank you, Des.
01:02:27You're welcome. 15 days until the elections,
01:02:31the head of Yisrael Beiteinu, Avigdor Lieberman, says on Kan News on Reshet Bet that he is not
01:02:34worried about the poll that indicates a shift in power
01:02:38between the two large blocs and says that the anti-Netanyahu bloc has
01:02:41no chance of forming the next government. In an interview with Keren
01:02:44Noiman, Lieberman also referred to Naftali Bennett's statements yesterday
01:02:48that Netanyahu could serve as a minister in the government. Here
01:02:51Netanyahu will not be in the next government, not even the Minister
01:02:55for Regional Cooperation. Period. He simply will not be there,
01:02:58and therefore there will also be no non-Arab and non-
01:03:01ultra-Orthodox parties. And I tell you that the other parties, the anti-Netanyahu
01:03:04bloc, we will bring a narrow majority. Especially now
01:03:08this tension, it slightly brings motivation
01:03:11and adrenaline to the anti-Netanyahu
01:03:13bloc.
01:03:16The IDF plans to significantly reduce the presence of its forces
01:03:19in the Gaza envelope communities immediately after the elections. This is a revelation by
01:03:23Itay Blumental, our military correspondent this morning. As of
01:03:27October 29, reserve soldiers will be stationed only in communities
01:03:30up to four kilometers from the border. In other communities,
01:03:34security will be based on standby squads and security officers
01:03:37only. Dozens of reserve soldiers will be released in the Gaza envelope.
01:03:41They fear a deterioration in security. The residents claim they were not informed
01:03:45of the decision. The IDF clarifies that the security officers will be able to recruit
01:03:48fighters according to regulations.
01:03:52In the meantime, Israel has asked an American company on behalf of the Peace Council to enter
01:03:56the Gaza Strip in the coming days to begin demilitarizing the Strip. Itay
01:03:59Blumental, we turn to you now. This is also your scoop, Itay.
01:04:03Correct. Keren, Israel has asked an American company on behalf of the Peace
01:04:06Council to enter the Gaza Strip in the coming days to map
01:04:10areas, two or three areas where Hamas
01:04:13can transfer its weapons for destruction. This is considered
01:04:17one of the most significant steps in the Gaza Strip
01:04:20related to rehabilitation. From Israel's
01:04:22perspective, rehabilitation will only happen after Hamas disarms
01:04:26and the Gaza Strip is demilitarized. According to
01:04:29the details we published yesterday in the edition, the American
01:04:32team will enter the southern part of the Strip, the Khan Younis
01:04:36and Rafah areas, areas that are under Israeli control. Currently,
01:04:40they are trying to build a mechanism so that these terrorists,
01:04:43armed men, will arrive in those areas with
01:04:45their weapons. On the one hand, they will arrive there relatively
01:04:48securely, and on the other hand, they will not pose a threat
01:04:52or risk to the IDF forces deployed in the
01:04:55Strip. And it is important to remember that according to the Peace Council's plan,
01:04:58only after Hamas disarms,
01:05:02at least in a certain area, will IDF forces gradually withdraw,
01:05:05and the Council of Technocrats
01:05:08will take control of the area. A senior
01:05:11Israeli official tells us that Israel is working with
01:05:14the Americans. On the one hand, there is great pessimism
01:05:17that Hamas will actually agree to disarm, even though
01:05:20externally it tries to show that it is going
01:05:23there. And in Israel, they say we are doing everything to
01:05:27comply with the agreements. We are going with the Americans,
01:05:30and in the end, it is likely that Hamas, not Israel,
01:05:34will thwart the plan. Itay Blumental,
01:05:37thank you very much. That's all for this update. At 10, we will return with another news
01:05:41update. Now Asaf Liberman and Roi Sharon. Goodbye for now.
01:06:41talking about the dissemination of the WhatsApp
01:06:44of Yonatan Urich, he is the advisor, close associate of the Prime
01:06:48Minister. We will not give details from conversations,
01:06:52because it's not nice, and it's also
01:06:54forbidden. But first, tell us what was disseminated
01:06:57outside. So I already.
01:07:42that this information or part of it is true, yes, but we didn't see the original information,
01:07:46it's very important to understand that, it's not like something leaked to someone from their phone and then you say,
01:07:50oh, here I see the information. There's some kind of at
01:07:53least selective leakage or selective
01:07:56exposure of information, just as Roi Sharon received
01:08:00information, and he chooses what to give in the news reports,
01:08:04he delivers the details he wants to deliver in a
01:08:08report. I, I, I, I will say something else and maybe clarify us a little. There are
01:08:12two different stories here. There's the incident of the leak and if it's real
01:08:16or not, and if it's only embarrassing or if it's also dangerous, yes, or if
01:08:20it's and there's the first level that says why at all or
01:08:23what kind of event we are in also in terms of, let's call it,
01:08:27information security, yes, because in the end there's a difference between someone
01:08:30whose phone was hacked using a, let's call it, international
01:08:34spyware, and someone who perhaps did not act in the most
01:08:37secure way, yes. What is the case
01:08:40before us? Yes, what happened exactly? Look, we don't know. I
01:08:43can say that Haaretz already reported two weeks ago, a little more, about
01:08:47some tool that Urich
01:08:49built, your publication and Bar Peleg's. Urich, Urich
01:08:53built a cloud, cloud. And Urich, according to signs,
01:08:57built a tool designed to allow Bibi
01:09:00and the campaign to actually monitor the, well, it's for Bibi, but it seems to be
01:09:03for Bibi, to monitor social media, to see what's trending
01:09:07in groups, what's trending in feeds and so on. And then it sends mini
01:09:11updates to a WhatsApp group. Milo
01:09:13built some kind of automated analysis process like that to help them see what's happening
01:09:17on social media. And this thing exposed information, exposed identifying
01:09:20information, yes, because he uses it, a program, yes, it's very complicated
01:09:24to make your computer send messages to your WhatsApp automatically and all sorts of things
01:09:28like that. There's some kind of what's called a token, some kind of identifier,
01:09:31yes, of probably Urich's personal WhatsApp,
01:09:35and we warned and reported then that this is information that could be
01:09:38used to hack someone. Explain again
01:09:41exactly. Urich created for himself
01:09:44some technological tool through, yes, a bot, through
01:09:48through through a chat that would help him
01:09:51analyze what's happening on the network, but
01:09:54actually when he did this, he basically
01:09:57created a loophole for his personal WhatsApp,
01:10:01yes. He exposed some kind of identifier, some kind
01:10:05of, let's call it, a key, that usually none of us know we have
01:10:08this key. Where is this key? Where is this key located? Where did he publish it? Where did he?
01:10:28your or do something on your WhatsApp, it's very complicated. WhatsApp is actually a very
01:10:31limited program, yes, so there are all sorts of tools that you can attach to them to make your WhatsApp
01:10:35send automatic messages and all sorts of things
01:10:38like that. This tool, one of these tools, he registered for it,
01:10:41yes, and. together with his clone, he built some software where everything
01:10:45connects together to say what this tool is, it's
01:10:49yes, it's a very boring software that forensic lawyers use to
01:10:52save to save to save WhatsApp conversations,
01:10:56yes, it's a company that sits in the United Arab Emirates. Calcalist
01:10:59also reported on this. There's some danger here, yes,
01:11:02basically a person who communicates with the Prime Minister uses software that we don't know anything
01:11:06about to send and save messages. Moreover, we know
01:11:10all this because he built it with a clone. Software that I found on the internet that is simply
01:11:14open, yes, that sits under his username on some
01:11:17website, and there I see all these things. I also see how he built
01:11:20the software. Meaning, it says there, "search for stories
01:11:23like this." Not "stories like this," it says, "you are a senior communications advisor, analyze now." Why is all this
01:11:27important? Because now it happened. Yes, we said, "Hey, if there are
01:11:31hackers watching and they saw this, then you can
01:11:34yes, it's illegal to hack, yes." You can take this information and use it. Yes, there's
01:11:38basically the, like a key, yes. We saw that they know the...
01:11:42The key is hanging outside the door of what you're saying, that no one
01:11:46hacked Urich's WhatsApp or cell phone. He simply
01:11:49put this information there without taking into account that you are using
01:11:53that same loophole key. It's like you're putting it,
01:11:56it's like you're leaving the key in the electrical cabinet. Someone
01:12:00comes, takes the key from the electrical cabinet and enters your house. As Omer Ben Yaakov
01:12:03describes it, you left the key in the lock, you just need
01:12:07to come and do it. Also on a
01:12:09legal level.
01:12:21And about the fact that a conversation was leaked, and again, we don't even know if all the conversations are real, yes, there's something
01:12:25very selective in what came out. There are reasons to believe that some of the information is reliable,
01:12:28but it cannot be ruled out that misleading information was inserted. There are reasons to believe, but that whoever
01:12:32did this read your article, I
01:12:35don't know, and understood, and understood from your publication that Urich left
01:12:39the key in the electrical cabinet, in the lock. Look, look. It
01:12:43could be, it's a very, very big speculation. I think the bigger story or the more interesting question
01:12:47that we're not asking is who is supposed to protect Urich's phone? This
01:12:51is about cybersecurity, it's a technical thing, but it's a very, very important thing. And there's
01:13:08a question of how to protect former Israeli officials, yes.
01:13:11A good question, Tamir Pardo, there were many such cases.
01:13:14In the end, there's a very important question of how to protect the environment
01:13:18of a prime minister and beyond that, and people are now, again, I have
01:13:21to say about Urich specifically, and this is not the first time, yes, also the affair
01:13:26in a very, very similar way, also the tool we published four weeks ago was published
01:13:30in a very, very similar way, so this is not just some
01:13:33kind of, embarrassing and funny, there's a much bigger story here. But whoever
01:13:37uses all sorts of, whoever uses such private agents
01:13:41who answer WhatsApp calls for you, basically the moment you put
01:13:44it there, you left the key in the lock, 100%.
01:13:48There's no doubt at all. And in general, whoever doesn't think
01:13:51that their phone, and certainly people
01:13:55in positions, is a security front. And in the end, there's an event, I have to say seriously,
01:13:58for a second, I, I, my heart aches. There's also a serious
01:14:02cyber event, like with Libiz with Benny Gantz or with Herzi Halevi. Many people leaked
01:14:06things from recent years. This is an unpleasant thing. Now, this is not just a specific
01:14:10and personal event, it's ultimately a failure. I'll say it seriously for a second, it's a security failure,
01:14:13yes, because every such leak leads to another leak. Yesterday, we don't know if this is true, but let's say
01:14:17among the things that were leaked in these WhatsApps were usernames and passwords,
01:14:21because it turns out that there are people who send each other on WhatsApp usernames.
01:14:25A password, for example, for the email that the Likud might use for the campaign.
01:14:29Now, that's it. Now another detail, that's another key. Now every such key
01:14:32leads to another person. Now, in the end, I don't want to be dramatic, but in the end, at the extreme of these
01:14:36things, there are also Iranian assassination attempts, yes, meaning
01:14:40leaders. So what does that mean for our listeners
01:14:43who use such AI agents? What do you tell them? What do you tell
01:14:46them? Don't No, not at all. I think there is a correct
01:14:50and more, let's call it, secure way to use these things. I think the big don't, the big
01:14:54no, is to be careful not to build yourselves a tool that exposes
01:14:58you. Yes, build a tool that maybe runs on your computer, but the moment you build
01:15:01software that connects to your WhatsApp and extracts information from the internet
01:15:05and sends things and you gave it access to your personal WhatsApp, you don't
01:15:08know. In the end, what exposed Urich more than the code, more
01:15:11than anything else, in the original code, was probably a clone. Meaning, the clone also saved his
01:15:15code and he didn't set privacy settings. So in the end, those of us who are
01:15:18not programmers need to be very, very careful, and I think that as a person who
01:15:22is not a technical person, but now has also been exposed. And also to cyber, I know
01:15:26to say that in the end, yes, my WhatsApp, my phone, my Gmail, these are my boundaries,
01:15:30yes. In the end, the help it gives me there is very small compared
01:15:33to the risk. Here's an example, meaning a really good example. I didn't understand, so you're not
01:15:37you're not not connected to emails
01:15:40and WhatsApps?
01:15:43No, my WhatsApp is not connected, certainly my email is connected, maybe in the sense that I allow
01:15:46it to see or search, but I don't allow it to do everything.
01:15:49Meaning, I will never build myself a process that says, for example, "Now
01:15:53search all over the internet and find me the news stories
01:15:56that are relevant to me as Omer Ben Yaakov, and then send me a WhatsApp
01:16:00to myself." And that's ultimately the sending, all the connection to the internet.
01:16:04No, not at all. I don't want it to, I'm not going to activate my personal
01:16:07phone automatically to optimize. It's a complicated thing
01:16:11in general, and second, it's something that I don't think is worth it. So yes, that's fine. You can
01:16:14build yourself a Telegram bot that sends you alerts.
01:16:18I, I don't use such things. I also yes, I do use a lot of cloud and I do
01:16:22use a lot of LinkedIn, and I also believe that this can allow many people
01:16:25to build tools, and I understand why Urich built what he built, but in the end, one also needs
01:16:29to think a little more, let's call it, from a security perspective. That's fine. And there's
01:16:33a difference between building yourself something cool that you use on your computer, to even building some
01:16:37kind of something that helps you a little on the internet, versus building software
01:16:40that actually connects to your WhatsApp and sends messages on your behalf
01:16:43to groups through an automated analysis process with
01:16:47a third-party tool that you paid for. Meaning, he bought software for WhatsApp and then built his
01:16:51software on top of it. In the end, there's what's called a tower of things
01:16:55that, yes, because whoever understands that they don't understand software doesn't do it, yes.
01:16:58100%. Good. What do I see? After we
01:17:01leave, it will be taken down from the air, all
01:17:05these WhatsApps. That's say,
01:17:07yes. What does that mean? No, like what is
01:17:10that? It's on the internet. What does that mean? It's on the network. They don't really
01:17:14take it down. That's what he, that's, that's, that's there. There's
01:17:17a leak here, there's a leak here that is mainly
01:17:20embarrassing at this stage, but also exposes things that, let's say, at a more
01:17:24substantive level, are a problem.
01:17:27Really, I think, I think we will see more such things over time, especially with live coding and with
01:17:31this. Meaning, it's possible that also, but is WhatsApp a program that can be easily
01:17:35hacked? No, it's because people, because people, and especially
01:17:38the campaigns now, people build software for themselves, and I think we will see many such mistakes.
01:17:42And therefore, the question of who protects whom is a very important question, and we need
01:17:45sorry for the conservatism for a moment. We need, we need
01:17:49security bodies, there's a really big event here. We are already in the seventh
01:17:52of October. The number of phones
01:17:55and emails is infinite. Also
01:17:58an advisor who broke, also Israel's missiles
01:18:01might have photos from his phone. There's a bigger event here. Omer Ben Yaakov.
01:18:05Thank you very much.
01:18:50about, uh, legally, about a place where secrets are not kept,
01:18:53where secrets cannot be heard. On the contrary, former Attorney General Avichai
01:18:57Mandelblit, who takes the witness stand as a witness
01:19:01for the defense of
01:19:03the accused Benjamin Netanyahu. What's happening there? So,
01:19:07first of all, let's start with a bit of the facts. What
01:19:11actually, uh, there was a
01:19:15dispute first of all. The prosecution was somewhat opposed, the defense
01:19:18brought him, and yesterday he began to be questioned by Amit
01:19:22Haddad, and there, slowly, slowly,
01:19:25the truth was revealed. What do I mean slowly, slowly? Quite quickly, various
01:19:28actions that were carried out without his knowledge, interrogation tricks, all sorts of
01:19:32claims that were answered uh, that were answered without any connection to it. Wait,
01:19:36wait, even before we delve into the details. Why bring him? Meaning, why is the defense
01:19:39bringing him? What did it want to prove?
01:19:42The defense, look, broadly speaking, there are two axes here. There's the axis
01:19:45of the, of the substantive one, let's call it, to show
01:19:49that Netanyahu
01:19:51is innocent, he is not guilty, in the sense that there are no factual
01:19:55elements, there are no elements and so on and so forth. And there is another axis called defense by
01:19:59estoppel. Defense by estoppel says a bit, I'm going
01:20:02now to whoever throws far, like the fruits of the poisoned tree that we don't
01:20:05have, defense by estoppel. It says that if you do not
01:20:09protect the rights of the accused and the important
01:20:12rights and violate rules and act illegally and do
01:20:16all sorts of things like that, it can lead to the cancellation of the indictment
01:20:19and additional sanctions, but in this context, the cancellation of the
01:20:23indictment. Now, in fact, the defense here
01:20:25played yesterday throughout the interrogations on these two directions: one on defense by
01:20:29estoppel, which means, "Look, Mandelblit himself
01:20:33says that he is not, contrary to what Koresh Barnor, who was
01:20:36the chief investigator, let's call him, said, that he approved every
01:20:40single detail of this investigation." This is not true, he didn't do that. It
01:20:44is true that he himself said that he was horrified by all sorts of tricks that were done. He
01:20:48said more than that, that they exceeded the authorizations
01:20:51he gave, for example, regarding Milchan,
01:20:54and he even said even harsher things about the interrogation trick against
01:20:58Nir Hefetz, let's remind everyone, the state witness, that
01:21:01a close associate of Hefetz was summoned there and they pressured him
01:21:05regarding his personal relationships and family, and so on. And he said that these were
01:21:09inappropriate actions and that they were wrong
01:21:12and that he didn't know about them in real time, he didn't know about these pressures
01:21:16in real time. But then he said: "I
01:21:19preferred, let me find it for a second, I preferred the proper
01:21:22management of the case rather than prosecuting and opening an investigation
01:21:26into the police," meaning against the investigators who acted, in the opinion of the Attorney General,
01:21:29in an inappropriate manner. He was careful
01:21:33not to say illegally, I will say illegally. Now, what does this
01:21:36lead to? Defense by estoppel, defense by estoppel says
01:21:40that in such a case, if there are such failures and we see
01:21:43eagerness from the prosecution and willingness to break every norm and trample
01:21:47every right of the suspect and accused, then this should
01:21:50lead to the cancellation of the indictment. This is ostensibly the official
01:21:54reason why they went down this path.
01:21:57So, unlike others, I think there's no chance this
01:22:01will happen. I don't see how the judges
01:22:05will accept this claim of defense by estoppel, precisely, by the way,
01:22:08for the same reason that Mandelblit himself said yesterday when he
01:22:12was asked, in fact, when he spoke about this interrogation tactic being
01:22:16inappropriate and wrong, and then he said, "I preferred proper management." This is exactly
01:22:20what he said. So, in effect, he said what the judges will decide.
01:22:24I didn't saw off the branch. The case was more important. The judges will decide exactly the same
01:22:27way, and I don't see a way for them to choose differently, because the implication
01:22:31of recognizing defense by estoppel here is basically
01:22:35to indict, I would say, to convict, what is it to indict, to convict
01:22:38the prosecution. Such a conviction that after it the prosecution,
01:22:41which is the police, the Attorney's Office today, after it there will be no
01:22:45system.
01:22:56die during the broadcast, but I will just continue? No, that would actually be nice, that's your last
01:23:00idea and we can brag about it. But
01:23:15a close associate of the Prime Minister. The accused, a close associate
01:23:18and also the husband of a deputy.
01:23:28They summoned him for questioning, and then when he was halfway there, they canceled
01:23:31his questioning, and then he was stopped on a main
01:23:34road and looked like some lunatic. There was
01:23:37some kind of thing there and they called a photographer. There was a spin that he was
01:23:40going, that the directions were problematic mental directions.
01:23:44Yes, uh, first of all, the fact that it came out does not mean
01:23:47that it is still illegal. I.
01:23:50The accumulation is an accumulation that we are not familiar with from other
01:23:52cases. I mean, has this
01:23:56eagerness to convict leaders and important people, has it not
01:23:59always been there? So look, here I don't know how to say, because I'm not
01:24:03familiar enough with Olmert's case and not with this case in detail. But
01:24:07I can't tell you to what extent this is relatively speaking. I can tell
01:24:10you that in such cases, especially in Netanyahu's
01:24:13case, there is the issue of
01:24:16the public who votes for him and is essentially prevented from doing so by the public.
01:24:20You would expect exactly different behavior here. You would expect
01:24:23the Attorney General to check every single
01:24:26detail, that when they submit 315 sections
01:24:29after his amendments, he will review every
01:24:32single one of them. Yes, that's not so much, and that there won't be all
01:24:36sorts of general approvals like that running around. You would expect exactly the opposite
01:24:39behavior, even if it was done with Olmert, and I don't think it was done to the same
01:24:43extent or at the same level, but I don't know how to say that. So this is partly
01:24:47my intuition here. It's clear that there was. Some eagerness that we see,
01:24:51by the way, also in previous testimonies, both from Iran Kamin and from others. You
01:24:55see here that they were willing, at least what's been seen so far in Amit
01:24:58Haddad's interrogations, that they were willing to violate many
01:25:02rules. Now you ask me if this was done elsewhere, I can tell you
01:25:05in my field, that if you think that if
01:25:09they do this in a prime minister's case, such a popular one, where they know it will be
01:25:13scrutinized in the media in tiny details,
01:25:16and that he will hire the best lawyers and they will turn it over, then if they do it here.
01:25:26The same thing for people who are the disadvantaged ones I
01:25:29dealt with back then, you can assume they do it to them a million times more. But,
01:25:33but I just want to say something. I think that both Netanyahu and
01:25:36Haddad and all the prosecutors there knew
01:25:40that the chance of defense by estoppel is not high, and therefore they are doing
01:25:43it, in my opinion, they are doing it, among other things, to
01:25:46achieve another defense, defense by the voter. Of course.
01:25:50And here I just have to say one more thing. Netanyahu's legal work
01:25:54has been focused on the general public for quite some time, by the way, even in cases
01:25:58where it was to his detriment, meaning he gave speeches in court
01:26:01that harmed the accused Netanyahu, but
01:26:04helped the politician
01:26:19Luckily there's...
01:26:28The prosecution also stood by the same thing. The prosecution, when they published the list
01:26:31of suspicions and the intention, it was exactly six weeks before the 2019 elections,
01:26:35and there was a discussion about whether they should publish or not publish.
01:26:38And Netanyahu's lawyers asked them not to publish, and they said, "The case
01:26:42is ripe, so we're publishing." As if the case just ripened, it's a cherry
01:26:45that coincidentally grew at the same time, coincidentally grew at
01:26:48that moment. So they also said, "It's important," Shai Nitzan said, "It's important
01:26:52for the public to know," and so on. So look how the tables have turned,
01:26:56and now also, just by chance, again, the cherry
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01:28:29Hello, hello, what's up?
01:28:33Shalom
01:28:34deteriorating
01:28:38for a long time
01:28:39suffering
01:28:43The veteran Jerusalemites know Shalom our rhino
01:28:47who was born on the day of the signing of the historic peace agreement between
01:28:50Israel and Egypt.
01:28:53The disturbances, the alarms,
01:28:54red.
01:28:58I don't think there have ever been so many people in the reserves from the animal garden, it's crazy.
01:29:06Shalom, you have to give up Shalom
01:29:10Saturday night after a meeting in Cannes
01:29:1311 and in Cannes
01:29:15Box
01:29:19Welcome to Double the Money
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01:30:04Did you forget the way the freezer is open all night?
01:30:07Check that you locked the freezer, check
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01:30:12I swear to you, I don't understand why I tolerate you. You don't have to be friends. I feel
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01:31:02Who is this Yoav
01:31:03anyway? Come on.
01:31:06Nice to meet you, Eliao. You made an appointment here again with
01:31:09a child. He wrote in the chat that he is
01:31:1218 years old. The people I met
01:31:15first after the checkout. Firstly from here 11 and Box.
01:31:19בוקס
01:31:24We are here.
01:31:28Well, this story is a wow story, yes, what's happening, what's
01:31:31happening with the country?
01:31:41Shalom, Shalom, you,
01:31:45Sofia's father,
01:31:47right? Tell us about her,
01:31:49ah, she
01:31:52is an ornithologist, an Israeli
01:31:55citizen, she lived for many years
01:31:58in Moscow, because of the...
01:32:03well, her research is arctic
01:32:06geese, so all the arctic geese, that's what she deals with,
01:32:10yes, so all summer
01:32:13she is in the Arctic, wow,
01:32:17basically and every year she
01:32:20visits Israel and she has a quite
01:32:24close connection with Israel, when she
01:32:27was young she participated in international
01:32:30competitions, riding a horse. And she
01:32:37you say she has both Israeli and Russian
01:32:40citizenship, yes, and she is on the line, meaning her main
01:32:44job is in Russia and she also comes to Israel
01:32:48every year. Yes, and she made the
01:32:52film about nature
01:32:55in Israel. You can watch
01:32:58this film on YouTube in English. To support
01:33:24the organization
01:33:27of Navalny's war against
01:33:30corruption. Corruption,
01:33:34uh, and it was completely
01:33:36legal. She went
01:33:39on an expedition, well,
01:33:42in the north, a delegation, yes, a research delegation.
01:33:45Yes, and at the end of May,
01:33:49beginning of June
01:33:512021, in Russia, it
01:33:55was declared, the FBK was
01:33:56declared
01:33:59an extremist organization. So, retroactively, your daughter gave
01:34:02a donation to someone who is an opposition figure in Russia,
01:34:05and that was actually seen as a step against
01:34:09Putin. Navalny, it must be said, that it was later found to be an illegal act
01:34:12in Russia. Navalny is... No, no,
01:34:16she when she gave
01:34:20legal. Yes.
01:34:23And that it
01:34:25was declared extremist because she
01:34:29was in the Arctic. When she returned
01:34:32to Moscow, she immediately canceled the standing order,
01:34:35but the two payments,
01:34:39a total of 80
01:34:41shekels, had already gone through.
01:34:58She and said in
01:35:01court that it's only
01:35:04a war on corruption, that she
01:35:07only participates in the war on corruption and has no
01:35:11extremist views and... No.
01:35:17And then when she returned to Russia, because of these two transfers that were on standing
01:35:21order for two consecutive months, which is
01:35:25you say 80 shekels in total, she
01:35:28is now accused of financing an illegal
01:35:31organization and they are arresting her, a criminal
01:35:34investigation, right? But only after
01:35:37four years they did it.
01:35:41And then two weeks ago, right? Two weeks ago, District Court A.
01:36:09What do we do? What do we do? Is she in jail now? Physically, is she in jail
01:36:13in Russia now?
01:36:29They cannot interfere in the
01:36:32court process in Russia. What is the Russian
01:36:36prison like? What are the conditions in the Russian prison? Meanwhile, she is
01:36:39in prison.
01:36:41There has not been an appeal yet, there will be an appeal.
01:37:03I can't,
01:37:06but the lawyer and the Israeli
01:37:09consul can visit
01:37:12him, yes. Is there
01:37:15something that can be done or is she going to spend three and a half
01:37:19years in prison in Russia for those 80
01:37:21shekels? There will be an appeal
01:37:25but the hope is not great that something
01:37:28will change.
01:37:32I actually asked,
01:37:35I also sent to
01:37:38the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and to other people
01:37:41that what I want is for
01:37:45them to return
01:37:48to Israel,
01:37:50but how to do
01:37:52that?
01:37:56A mess,
01:37:59it's not a mess, it's more of a tragedy, a tragedy.
01:38:02A tragedy. Well, let's hope that, wait, she has good
01:38:06דין טובים שיודעים להחזיק את העירור הזה, ואולי
01:38:09there's
01:38:12אז אורכי גין.
01:38:15הם הם בסדר, אני חושב, ואני
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01:38:23אמרו במשפט ושבכלל זה
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01:44:21How can we choose
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01:44:28של זה היא מאוד מעניינת והיא מתחילה כמובן בדוד בן
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01:44:39איש. קיבלו ציונים לשבח מהרמתכל,
01:44:42מאלופי פיקוד, ממפקדי חטיבות אפילו, ואז בא בן
01:44:46גוריון, שהיה כמובן גם אהב המייסד וגם אריץ לא
01:44:50קטן, ואמר: עם כל הכבוד אני מבטל אותם, זאת
01:44:53wow, I am canceling
01:44:57אותם, ויהיו רק 12
01:45:00Hero of Israel.
01:45:03לימים, כשהיה שינוי
01:45:06ובנו את האיתורים, הוא מר לעיתור הגבורה. והיו
01:45:1012 גיבורי ישראל, ונתן בן גוריון קריטריון
01:45:14ואמר רק על מעשים
01:45:16שהביאו לניצחון בקרב, למשל על חילוץ פסועים
01:45:20לא, אלא רק על מעשים שהביאו לניצחון בקרב, כי
01:45:23תפקיד הצבא זה לנצח בקרב, אגב כשאני הייתי
01:45:26ילד, זה מאתר את
01:45:29גילי המופלג, אני ידעתי בעל פה את השמות שלהם, לא
01:45:33רק זה, ידעתי אמיל בריק מליל הגשרים, הייתה לו
01:45:37סוכנות כרטיסים קאסטל בתל אביב. ומרדכי
01:45:40לייטנר נדמה לי מעירק
01:45:43was, apropos
01:45:46הפרסומות לפילהרמונית ששמעתי אצלכם קודם
01:45:50היה סדרן בהיכל התרבות ואתה
01:45:53בתור בתור ילד עברי ידעת כל
01:45:56אחד מהם זה בדיוק מה שבן גוריון ביקש כל אחד
01:45:59מ11 אתה התגשת את העניין של מה-19 כן
01:46:03התגשת את העניין של ניצחון בקרב כי אחרי מלחמת לבנון
01:46:06שנייה אני חושב שזה היה אחת הוועדות דיברו על זה שהצלה.
01:46:23Israel, that's what he chose
01:46:26שרירותי וכל העקרונות האלה של בן
01:46:29גוריון יפה להזכיר אותם כי כמובן אף
01:46:33אחד מהם לא נשמר והיום יש אחרי
01:46:37I think after
01:46:40זוכר אם לפני או אחרי, העבירו את זה מצלש, פעם היה רק
01:46:44ציון לשבח, העבירו את זה לשיטת האיתורים, איתור
01:46:48גבוהה, איתור עוז ואיתור מופת וצלשים
01:46:51גם, והיום אינפלציה רבתי שמחזירה אותנו
01:46:55לשאלה המרכזית שלכם, איך
01:46:58בוחרים, רגע, כמה כמה צלשים אז נותנים, לא
01:47:01יודע לבנון שנייה נגיד כמה צלשים
01:47:03I don't remember exactly, but there are
01:47:07יותר קריטריונים, לא לא מספריים. וגם לא על
01:47:11And this
01:47:14הזאת, למשל, בשביעי באוקטובר, כן, נגיד עוד משהו על
01:47:17צלשים, והוא הכללה פראית,
01:47:20אבל הרבה מאוד סלשים, הם כדי לא להגיד
01:47:24כולם, ניתנו במקום שבו
01:47:27broke
01:47:31and the chain
01:47:35וחיילים, מפקדים, בעיקר
01:47:38ברמות ה... ברמות הזותרות גילו
01:47:42גבורה אישית, זאת אומרת גילו אומץ לב
01:47:45והצטערו וכן הלאה, ועל
01:47:48זה, ניתנו צלשי,
01:47:51מכיוון שהשביעי באוקטובר הוא כל כולו סיפור של
01:47:55פיקוד שנשבר,
01:47:58שנלחמו בכמעט אחד אחד
01:48:01או בקבוצות מאוד קטנות, המועמדים
01:48:04לצלשי מספרים אני מניח יהיה מאוד מאוד גדול. אני אקריא לך ציטות, נראה אם
01:48:08אתה מכיר אותו ב'. שלנו צריכים כמה תנאים
01:48:12שיכשירו קרב, הרבה נפגעים, הרבה צלשים,
01:48:16ולהגיד בשקט שהקרב לא בדיוק הצליח, אבל היו מעשי
01:48:19גבורה. זה כתב את זה האלוף דורן,
01:48:23רובין. אתמול נכון, אתמול
01:48:27כשנערכנו לשיחה הזאת, אז חיטתי קצת, כי
01:48:30זכרתי שהיה איזה משהו כזה שמדבר כאילו על מה נותנים צלש
01:48:34בסוף, על קרב שמורכב מהרבה פשלות,
01:48:37מחדלים, תקלות והיו. את אלה
01:48:40שהצליחו למצוא את עצמם כי בסופו של דבר
01:48:44מצילים את המצב, אבל בלי בלי התקלות והמחדלים
01:48:48it wouldn't have been necessary.
01:48:51That's what I said, I don't know about malfunctions and failures, the chain
01:48:55בדרך כלל שרשרת
01:49:10מלחמת יום כיפור קרב הגנה מופתי
01:49:13בוודי מברוק בסיני, אף אחד לא מכיר את
01:49:17זה, כי הקרב נועל היטב,
01:49:20and succeeded in its mission.
01:49:23A very large Egyptian force, but the command
01:49:27תפקד, וכל אחד עשה מה שהוא היה צריך, ולא היה
01:49:30צריך גבורה יוצאת דופן, עכשיו זה כמובן החללה
01:49:34מאוד מאוד גדולה מה שאנחנו אומרים, אבל זה
01:49:37זה בהחלט ככה ויש לזה הרבה שורשים
01:49:41בהיסטוריה של צער תגיד ואם עכשיו ראש הקא האלוף דדובר
01:49:44קליפה מתקשר אליך ואומר לך מאריקה
01:49:48ההיסטורי מהניסיון שלך איך
01:49:51למי? מסתדרים בתוך באמת אינסוף סיפורי
01:49:55הגבורה והאומץ ומה שקרה
01:49:58ב7 באוקטובר, מאיפה אני מתחיל פה לעשות עבודה כדי
01:50:02לדעת למי אנחנו נותנים צלשים?
01:50:05Excellent question. Not when
01:50:08ורקליפה התקשר אליי, אני מניח שהוא לא התקשר,
01:50:11but I will
01:50:15בעצמך, אני לא, זה לא עניין של אמונה בעצמי,
01:50:19זה מפני שאני מכיר את דדו בר קליפה, ואני מכיר את.
01:50:23But, but I will say
01:50:26look,
01:50:29האמיתיים, זאת אומרת, כולל הסתערויות וכן הלאה, ולא
01:50:33מהדברים, הרבה דברים אחרים שעליהם קיבלו
01:50:36צלשים, היו דווקא כי אנשים לא
01:50:39understand the situation,
01:50:42שהיה בסיטואציה קרבית יודע על מה אני מדבר, סביבך
01:50:46רעש במאומה, אתה עושה
01:50:49איזשהיא פעולה לו דווקא כי אתה... מבין אפילו
01:50:53מה אתה עושה א' כי אתה אולי מתורגל וב'
01:50:57זה מה שאתה אתה קולט באותו רגע
01:51:00ובדיעבד התברר שהצטערת לבד או או
01:51:04עשית מעשה כזה או אחר כמות
01:51:07הדברים שהם
01:51:09גבורה
01:51:12במובן שאתה מודע לגמרי למה
01:51:15שאתה עושה ולסכנת המוות שעורבת לך
01:51:19ועדיין אתה מתגבר על זה ועושה היא לא גדולה.
01:51:23I can give
01:51:25אבל עכשיו בוא נחבר את זה
01:51:28לסיטואציה השבורה ש דיברתי עליה,
01:51:32ולרצונו, הרי בסופו של דבר מה הם ציונים לשבח, לא
01:51:35משנה איזה סוג של איתור זה, זה אמירה של
01:51:39הצבא כזאת רעב וקדש, כן, זה אמירה של
01:51:41הצבא, זאת ההתנהגות שאנחנו רוצים שאנשים
01:51:45יאמצו, בשביעי באוקטובר זה בעיקר
01:51:49באמת אנשים בודדים או או
01:51:51קבוצות בודדות. שלקחו על עצמם
01:51:54משימה, אה, בניגוד אגב לנגיד חלקים
01:51:57גדולים של הצבא ואתם מכירים את ה סיפורים
01:52:00כמוני, שלמשל של ניצולי בארי,
01:52:03שמטארים איך הם יוצאים מבארי ורואים את כל היחידות
01:52:06המובחרות של צהל עומדות בחוץ ומחכות לפגודה
01:52:10להיכנס, לא כי אנשים הם פחדנים, אלא כי
01:52:13אנשים, כי צבא הוא הוא מנסה לפעול
01:52:17ומאומן לפעול באיזה דרך מסודרת ועל פי פקודות, כי
01:52:20אחרת כל אחד פה התנגש ב... שני אז יהיו פה הרבה
01:52:23אנשים בהקשר הזה
01:52:27ואני מניח שגם לא
01:52:29לא בצבא יהיו כל מיני דברים שבהם כמו שדרון
01:52:33אמר יחלקו בשביל לא יודע אם בשביל להחליק פשלות
01:52:37אבל כדי שלא לא יתעסקו עם זה
01:52:40שהפיקוד שם נשבר והאורות לא היו נכונות וכן הלאה שוב אני
01:52:44אומר בהקשר הזה בלאגן מאוד
01:52:48גדול תהיה פה כל כך הרבה
01:52:51סיפורי גבורה. של לוחמים שסיקנו חיים וגם
01:52:54נהרגו באמת ולקחו
01:52:57יוזמה והתקפיות וגילו בתוך הכאוס שהיה ב7
01:53:00באוקטובר באמת שמענו זה רק מה ששמענו ורק
01:53:04מה שאנחנו זוכרים וזה בטח לא הכל יש בלי
01:53:08סוף איך איך אבל מתחילים לעשות את העבודה הזאת איך אגב מתחילים לעשות את העבודה
01:53:12הזאת מתחילים לעשות אה תראה בהיסטוריה של
01:53:15צהל אה ביקשו ממפקדים
01:53:19and...
01:53:21ו... אה, נגיד אחרי ששת הימים
01:53:25ממש אמרו ל ל אני אספר לכם
01:53:29אפילו סיפור אישי, אה, אבא שלי היה
01:53:32סמגד מילואים בצרכנים בששת הימים, הגדוד
01:56:13גשם, אמן, יאללה, ביי,
01:56:15ביי,
01:56:18Tonight on The Hive, a Maccabi Haifa
01:56:21שחזרה הרגע מהטיול הגדול, שלושתם ינסו להפוך למלך או מלכת הכברת
01:56:25שלנו, שזו משימה לא פשוטה בכלל כמו שראינו, אבל מעט
01:56:29אסטרטגיה, קצת מהירות, וגם אתם בדרך אל הכתר, תאספו את המשפחה
01:56:33ותהיומו למסך בשבע הכברת.
01:56:35Welcome to Tavor, I ordered
01:56:37ארבעה,
01:56:43Wow, what a bald spot.
01:56:46200 years ago, what would they say
01:56:49זורקים אותם לאש,
01:56:52I suddenly start screaming, some teacher yells at me, the class, Daniel, stop
01:56:56לנבוח ועוף לי
01:56:57מהכיתה,
01:57:00I'd hit walls and eat my
01:57:04Adam. I feel
01:58:13like the girl whose parents
01:58:17Sim also orders me apple
01:58:20אפל. ארוחה וקינוח וקול
01:58:24הגדול עליי. אנטולי עושה יותר זמן, אבל איך שאתה מרגיש? לא לא, הכל
01:58:27טוב. הכל בסדר. איך לא סחסחתי ביניהם קודם, אני שואל את עצמי,
01:58:31First checkout, first.
01:58:35מאחרי החדשות בקאן 11 ובקן
01:58:38בוקס דווקא חמוד זה
01:58:41מיואב אה מכירה אותו לא נראה כזה יואב
01:58:44נכון
01:58:47Originally from a moshav, now he lives
01:58:51talk
01:58:55איתו
01:58:58I'm pleased. Who is this
01:59:01Come on. Nice to meet you.
01:59:35The veteran Jerusalemites know Shalom, our rhino,
01:59:39שנולד ביום חתימת הסכם השלום ההיסטורי בין
01:59:42ישראל למצרים,
01:59:45Riots, alarms, and.
02:00:18Hello, good morning. We have a news
02:00:22the main suspect in the corruption case
02:00:26in the center. Hadas Greenberg joins us on the line
02:00:29Hadas in the police are calling a serious
02:00:32corruption case. Yes,
02:00:36שנחספה היום על ידי יחה במסגרתה נצרו ראש איריית כפר
02:00:39of the Economic Company, public figures,
02:00:42ואנשי עסקים סך הכל 17 עצורים אנחנו מדברים על חקירה
02:00:46סמויה שהחלה. לפני שנה במסגרתה עלה שמכרזים בעירייה
02:00:50פעלו ביחסי שוחד כמעט בכל תחום אפשרי,
02:00:54מכרזים שהיו מחורים למקורבים, אנשי עסקים, גם עברינים, ובתמורה
02:00:57into her hands.